Started by #311634 at 07,Nov,12 10:43
 | Let's all agree that those inclined to make dismissive, snarky, or negative comments on this topic must first read some of the relevant historical, sociological, and anthropological literature. Okay? Let's also all agree that, yes, some het guys have gay sex on the road to later identifying as bi or gay. However, that fact has nothing to do with whether some absolutely het guys also have guy-on-guy sex and enjoy it. Let's review a few facts:
First, in ancient times, such as in ancient Greece, the average adult male had sex with girls, boys, young men, and women. Obviously, a large majority of men possessing the biological markers for heterosexuality, whatever they nay be, had and enjoyed sex with males. Second, today, many absolutely het guys experiment with various kinds of guy-on-guy sex as kids, and frequently enjoy it, even to the point of orgasm. Third, guy-on-guy sex for sexual gratification is common in all-male environments like boarding schools, the military, and religious communities, for example. Much to most of this involves het guys. Fourth, the mechanics of sexual pleasure are primarily concerned with what actions are performed on what body parts, NOT gender/sex. Does it matter whether one's own hand, a machine/device/toy, a woman's hand, or another guy's hand strokes one's penis? Does it matter whether the mouth doing the fellating is attached to a body with a penis or a vagina? Isn't the end the same in any of these scenarios, orgasm? Clearly, one must differentiate between sexual pleasure and sexual orientation in this discussion. The two are NOT the same. Fifth, there's the “inconvenient” fact of the biology of male anal pleasure. All physiologically normal guys have the same plumbing, regardless of sexual orientation. The anal region is an erogenous zone possessing many nerve endings. All men possess a prostate gland, which is involved in the ejaculation/orgasm process, that is conveniently located snugly against the rectum, ready for stimulation during receptive anal sex. In fact, such stimulation can frequently lead to an especially intense and long orgasm, even without any direct penile stimulation, a fact taken advantage of in animal husbandry for the collection of semen/sperm. So, if many gay/bi guys enjoy it, so would many absolutely het guys. In fact, the prostate is sometimes called the male G-spot or the P-spot. Though this list could be lengthened considerably, the point should be clear: there is plenty of guy-on-guy pleasure that het guys should be able to enjoy. The real question is whether particular het guys can focus enough on the pleasure to overcome any gender/sex issues. Many won't be able to, as I wouldn't in attempting to deal sexually with women, but many others likely could. Why should that be so difficult to understand? MY POINT: So, I'd like to hear from all the het guys out there, the REAL ones, who have or would like to have sex with guys. What appeals to you about sex with guys—physically, psychologically, and emotionally? What is unique or different about it for you in all these ways? What do you get out of it? Is there something uniquely appealing about male bodies and sex with guys? What obstacles do you encounter in your pursuit of sex with guys? Please discuss and share your experiences, desires, fantasies, thoughts, etc. (And, yes, analogous threads could be addressed to het women, lesbians, and gay guys, but this is NOT any of those threads! You can start your own thread, which I would eagerly read. Okay? I want this thread to be a safe space for the sexually diversified het boys out there.) |
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Suppose I abandoned this thread to all those enchanted by the sounds of their own voices and unable to prevent themselves from creating a toxic environment for my target audience, and suppose I created another version of this thread, clearly labeled, strictly for my target audience. Would the hijackers on here agree NOT to comment on that thread, reserving their commentary for this or some other newly created thread?
It seems unfair of some to be so unwilling to allow this forum to be used for the kind of investigation I would so like to conduct, especially as they themselves could use it to vent and comment in so many other ways. The intolerance is rather staggering. No wonder academics so rarely venture into public fora as this, as academics.
So, yes or no? I would need to hear individually from EACH of the usual suspects.
[If i am completely off the plot please interject]
My answer would be that if you seek out sexual pleasure in other men yet still claim to be Heterosexual you are probably closeted or in denial. At the very least you are bi-sexual
As to the logistics of being attracted to men I have little experience but could make some suggestions...
So, was that a yes or a no to the post's question (the post you actually responded to)?
Yes or no: would you or wouldn't you hijack my new thread?
If you genuinely want your points to be taken seriously (which is asking a lot to be frank) I would take a bit more time thinking about how you convey your ideas. Try to be more concise with less rambling and end with a clear question.
Thanks.
I see that you are not really in favor of silly things like "definitions", but the rest of the civilized world relies on the concept of words meaning what they are intended to mean as a way of communicating effectively. If we did not share a common lexicon, anyone looking at your self-serving, pseudo-intellectual, verbose blathering could interpret it to mean "I like pie" or "see how smart I can pretend to be?" and think nothing of it.
You can wave your "credentials" around as much as you like. All that proves is that a university will give a degree to any nitwit who can afford tuition. How sad for you that you spent all of those years doing research and all you have to show for it is a bucket-full of pompous dumb-ass!
I find your "fragile egos" remark to be quite interesting given that your reaction to being challenged by other forum members is to become abusive and hostile. It would seem that you lack the capacity for self-awareness. (Have you met the Pissy Rant Fairy? I am sure that the two of you would hit it off quite well.) A true intellectual would welcome the chance to debate a stimulating topic. You have resorted to schoolyard name calling and brow-beating, which implies that, while you can toss a lot of words around, you really don't have the brain power to back them up.
Your I HAVE SAID THIS THING. BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS I WHO HAVE SAID IT, THIS THING IS NOW "TRUTH". IT IS WRIT IN STONE AND CAN NOT, MUST NOT, BE CHALLENGED! tone might work with your family, your cat or the people you hold hostage in that pit in your basement, but it doesn't mean squat around here. Those are not Pearls of Wisdom dropping from your tongue, it is just drool. Wipe your chin and find something shiny to play with before all that hissy foot-stomping gives you a stroke.
By the way: your initial thesis, for quite a number of reasons, is flawed. The myth of the "straight cock-sucker" is perpetuated by only two groups of individuals:
1. Bi/gay men who do not, for what ever reasons, want to admit that they are bi/gay men OR
2. Bi/gay men who are trying to convince heterosexual men to have sex with them.
No real point in debating the issue, however. I am, after all, NOT your "target audience" and your brain is obviously not up to the task of intellectual discussion.
To dismiss the opinions of both Peach and her husband then to refer to them as being idiots does not suggest to me that you are as smart as you think you are.
This is a forum. Whomever participates must be willing to accept a difference of opinion. Such difference is not idiocy, nor should the people be labeled an idiot. I did not agree with everything Peach's husband said either, but I certainly do not feel he is an idiot for having those views.