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Started by Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 20:46  other posts of Godzillas
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a neologism used by its adherents to describe a reaction to United States President Donald Trump by liberals, progressives, and anti-Trump conservatives, who are said to respond to Trump's statements and political actions irrationally, with little regard to Trump's actual position or action taken.

The use of the term by some on the right has been called part of a broader GOP strategy to discredit criticisms of Trump's actions, as a way of "reframing" the discussion. However, according to Kathleen Hall Jamieson of Annenberg Public Policy Center, the term could backfire on Trump supporters because people might interpret it to mean that Trump is the one who is "deranged", rather than those who criticize him

In December 2016, Justin Raimondo divided the "syndrome" into three stages; in the first, those who "lose all sense of proportion," next, they experience "a profound effect on ... vocabulary" and begin to "speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole," and, in the final stage, the afflicted "lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Jonathan S. Tobin defines it as "disgust at his manner and his tweets such that all distinctions between him and genuine villains is lost." In April 2017 Fareed Zakaria defined the syndrome as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people’s judgment." Similarly, Rand Paul stated in July 2018: "The hatred for the president is so intense, that partisans would rather risk war than give diplomacy a chance." CNN's editor-at-large Chris Cillizza called TDS "the preferred nomenclature of Trump defenders who view those who oppose him and his policies as nothing more than the blind hatred of those who preach tolerance and free speech.



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By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 22:08 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a neologism used by its adherents to describe a reaction to United States President Donald Trump by liberals, progressives, and anti-Trump conservatives, who are said to respond to Trump's statements and political actions irrationally, with little regard to Trump's actual position or action taken.

this statement assumes many conclusions not proven or skewed. It assumes that the reaction to trump's statements and political actions is irrational and made with little regard to his position or action taken. Yet, he consistently makes wrong decisions, spouts wrong information,,backtracks many of his statements and refuses to own up to his use of social media. Godzillas, you have consistently tried to bring forth a defense of this poor excuse of a president. All his major actions have been critisized by experts and other people that have the respect of the people. Why? Is he so important to you that you blindly follow this man despite all his shortcomings? And those that preach tolerance and free speech??? He waants to close down news media that doesn't view him as the savior,,,some presisdent
By Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 22:32 other posts of Godzillas 
Who ever said he wants to close Newa Down? You did,,, you have the 4th stage of TDS... there is no hope for you.. You put words and fake news into people mouths... Woest case I've ever seen
He pointed out fake news which is fake fake.. It didn't imply to shut down our 1st amendment.. You want to abolish free speech though extreme left wing socialism not me.. DOn't drag me into this where you are more than obvious.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 22:38 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Nearly half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close news outlets: poll
Christal Hayes, USA TODAY Published 4:57 p.m. ET Aug. 7, 2018 | Updated 4:58 p.m. ET Aug. 7, 2018


this was today's headline. If he didn't say it, he also didn't talk against it
By Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 22:56 other posts of Godzillas 
USA today is more fake than really fake news CNN or NYT... When was the last time you read the tabloid news saying alien contacts AIDS from Bill Clinton? Thats in the news also..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 23:26 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
are you saying it's false news??? Clinton was and is a horny bastard
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 16:44 other posts of Godzillas 
Are you saying that aliens from outer space abducted bill clinton from planet earth and contracted AIDS from him? AND YOU BELIEVE IT??





By phart at 08,Aug,18 22:38 other posts of phart 
Response to 2warm,
Some could respond to that statement by asking,"why not give a new idea or a different method a chance instead of assuming it is "wrong" because you disagree? " Change that works is sometimes radical,different and will leave some folks spinning like tops.
Same as America can and will eventually recover from Obuma, if there is any long term damage from Trump,America will recover. I can't see how it could have gotten much worse without a all out war on the streets anyhow.
Unemployment has dropped,the stock market is up,and minority's got alot of those jobs that were not working under Obuma. Show me some REAL damage by Trump? Long lasting damage? Oh he has pissed off some leaders over seas.So fucking what?
So he aint kissing Mexico's ass? So what?
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 22:40 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
why is it ok for you to criticize my way of thinking but it's not ok for me to criticize him?
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The Last Major TV Factory in the U.S. Is Shutting Down Because of President Trump's Tariffs
they are laying 126 employees off,,you think those people will not have their lives affected??
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some ideas are bad no matter what. Pissing off some leaders overseas is no big deal??? have you any idea how many Americans depend on the good will of the other countries for the profits they enjoy here? And Mexico???what the heck,,they are all wetbacks right????they are the biggest US trading partner in North America.
So what??? do you realize the ramifications of poor relations with our immediate neighbors?? That's why many people are so turned off with trump. He acts in a knee jerk reaction and after the shit rolls down and we are worse off than before
By Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 22:46 other posts of Godzillas 
I don't criticize your way of thinking at all. I just don't agree with you. What is there to criticize? This is all you have to ague about or to you have some rational conclusions to share?
All of those REPUBLICANS are establishment for pay to play. For example,, BUSH's.. Both of them Romney, SESSIONS, Mccain. They are a totally different party and represent false identity to deceive.. Perfect example was the 2000 election.. Both were bimbos and weren't here to serve you but their pay to play which is why we suffered 9-11 to begin with but that is a different matter..
The president doesn't want to shut the Govt. down but will if it is a matter of national security of which YOUR PARTY doesn't want to vote on..They are the cause of this mess..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 22:55 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Godzillas,,you are right,,,i'm a dumb blond and don't know how politics works,,,have a great life and don't let the political door hit you in the ass as you spout your well thought out argument why trump should be made King of the republic. If we were talking face to face i'd say i just used two thirds of my oxygen for the day,,,in vain,,as i'm typing,,my fingers are getting tired for nothing.
By Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 22:58 other posts of Godzillas 
If you say so. You know more about you than I do . I never said you were dumb, you did...If your fingers are tired then stop typing, stop complaining about it.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 23:06 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
why??? will the typing police cum and break my fingers??

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 23:28 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
i never said that you said that i was a dumb blonde,,i said that i was a dumb blond,,
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 17:14 other posts of Godzillas 
Why say you are a dumb blond? Is it true?






By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 22:59 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
why do you assume that we need to recover from Obama??what did he do that was so wrong??
By Godzillas at 08,Aug,18 23:00 other posts of Godzillas 
IRAN DEAL..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 23:05 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
like you said,,who gives a fuck about a foreign government?? and while at it,,how did it affect you
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you couldn't wear your turban??

By phart at 09,Aug,18 10:27 other posts of phart 
OBAMA CARE!. Geez, alot of us that worked and received insurance as a benefit of our jobs lost our ass's and it is NOT affordable. A friend priced it and it was 1200 bucks a month, 200 more than he earned a month. It is a disaster.



By TWOWARMTTS2 at 08,Aug,18 23:26 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
phart,,why give the time to shit ideas????
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 00:05 other posts of Godzillas 
wWarrm... This is by no means any attacks personally on you.
The Iran deal was to take literally Trillions of dollars and give it to an official sponsor of terror.. Those Trillions of dollars I'm sure could have been used for other reasons like education, tax cuts, infrastructure, national defense, national sovereignty. Fixing ghetto neighborhoods, healthcare, investment for jobs, space exploration... But why give money to a terror country to destroy democracy? Because they don't want democracy, they want control..
Stop your attacks. It gets nowhere and frankly I don't care. Discussion forums are to create ideas, for sex, morality, love, ect.. Not for attacks on social media. This in my opinion is for education.
My opinion is this. I don't like Donald Trump. But I don't dislike him either. It has nothing to do with it. Our constitution is our law. He was and is the most qualified to represent our country because he protects our constitution and more importantly protects americans.. He had the best idea over anyone and so far it is working and those that refuse to see the numbers are letting ignorance interfere...The Left is LEFT because they deviate from our constitutional values. That is why it is called LEFT.... You can be a moderate and lean left but you can still reason. Once you get a socialistic attitude and demean any ideas that deviate from yours is called socialism.. I can't make it any easier than this..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 09,Aug,18 00:12 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
thanks Godzillas,,,to think i've been wrong all this time. Got to remembdr left is LEFT because they deviate from our constitutional values. So, pro-life advocates deviate?? Women in combat? deviate? Social security medicare,obamacare public hospitals, unemployment>> all deviate fro our constitution?? Roe v Wade,,,must be taken out??

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 09,Aug,18 00:17 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Godzillas,,do you even know what socialism, fascism, communism and capitalism is?? Did you go through civics classes as you went through high school??

Once you get a socialistic attitude and demean any ideas that deviate from yours is called socialism.

this is gobbledegook,,,,,it doesn't even make sense,,
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 03:03 other posts of Godzillas 
I married a woman who lived in socialism and oppression for 33 years. I know it all too well. You want another example? move to Venezuela.
The constitution is law to protect our people. We choose our laws, medical insurance, pro-life is a grey area because you have to define when it is murder as compared to false start. Going up to the 9th month pulling out the baby then murdering it is murder. Listening to all ideas is not socialism since your right to free speech is taken away but you are STILL missing the point !
Our constitution you should read one day. You apparently do not have the idea what it implies. Nor does the USA mean anything to you.. UNITED STATES are states that are united to form ONE nation, Under G_d with liberty and Justice for all !...The left wants this not to happen. It wants invasion of foreign entities of which I'm not going to spend all night describing why they are coming here. I can tall you right now these groups don't want democracy but totalitarian dictatorships through sharia law. Fascism and dictatorship is the same thing. Totalitarian. The opposite of Democracy that gives the responsibility of the people to derive. Laws can be changed but by due process,, not by government control......Communism is profound socialism. Example Union is Soviet Socialist Republics. Republics that were conquered and taken over, then starved their people while killing 25 million Jews including Stalin's loyalists...
The idea of coming to america was to listen to all ideas of government then vote on its substance. The good for the people, not for what Obama did by defying congress and the senate by implementing the Iran deal..
This column is not to debate how Obama did actually. It was to debate what trump derangement syndrome. is.. When he tweets and you and CNN conclude this was not presidential and he is working with Putin to undermind our elections of which the democrats are guilty of imposing during the 2016 compaign.. Just ask Christopher Steel. Ask Robert Mueller. Ask Hilary Clinton, Ask Bruce Ore... Ever hear of these people before? Ask Comey, Ask Rosenstein, Obama, Biden, Lynch, Abedin, who had weiners laptop with classified documents as well as U_nderage porn of 11 year olds having sex. Ask Bush, Even ask Paul Ryan...
By phart at 09,Aug,18 10:37 other posts of phart 
2 warm,i would not say you are a dumb blonde either. I seriously doubt you are hanging around with mobsters like Al Capone. That is where the term came from. Dumb blonde as in a pretty girl that the guys had around that if she spoke a word of what she over heard she was dead. Therefore she was "dumb" not speaking.
Iran deal. Geez,letting the fox guard the hen-house? May as well let prisoners lock their own doors at night at San Quentin.
Obama care,as I said above a damn disaster. Those that are getting cheap or free health care never did anything to help cover the cost. Working class people,can't afford it any more than before.As a matter of fact alot of us that had 80-20 coverage with low deductibles, now have 70-30 with HIGH deductibles. Does that sound more affordable to you?
Epa regulations that Obama pushed thru. Have you worked on any engines lately and saw the effects of non adjustable carburetors and ethanol? Machinery breaks much faster and is none repairable in most cases because of epa. Costing the people more money just to do the basics like mow the lawn.
Dreamers, the young immigrants. If he was going to make a path to citizen ship it should not have been 40 miles long and unknown years to finish.The young didn't come here on their own and can't be held responsible and something should have been done back then. NOT kick the damn can past his term.

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 09,Aug,18 10:43 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I don’t care where your wife comes from or what she endured. It has nothing to do with this discussion we are having. Why would I want to go and live in Venezuela? We are talking about what’s happening here. I get tired of hearing people say, “if you don’t like it here, go to another country”. So, does that mean you don’t like other points of view?? Also,,abortions are not “pulling them out on the 9th month and killing them. Abortions are done during the first few months, any other time is murder and the surgeon and mother can be charged with murder. As far as what the USA means to me, let me tell you. My father Ted T. was a corporal in the Army Air Corp (now it’s the air ****) during World War II. He fought in the pacific and in atlantic submarine hunter flights. He served honorably fro Dec 8, 1942 (day after Pearl Harbor) until discharged at the end. My ****, Ted Jr, served as a grunt in Vietnam. My Dad is buried in a national veterans cemetery. I have voted in every election, national and local since i was legal age to vote. I have voted for the man, democrat or republican is the same to me as long as the man is true. You mistake having a socialist government with having socialist laws. Social Security, 40 hour work weeks, medicare and medicaid, unemployment insurance, public hospitals, food stamps, obama care, these are examples of socialist laws. They are called socialists because they help society as a whole, not because they want to take over the country. When Trump tweets and i don’t think he’s being presidential, along with CNN and the New York Times and others, should I be happy and send him accolades?? Isn’t my right to express my ideas guaranteed by THE CONSTITUTION???? Or maybe you think that the Constitution should only apply to you and your group only because you are right and we are wrong? Also, The United States of America was formed as a “more perfect union” (check that one out) to facilitate our war of independence from Great Britain (a socialist monarchy). As we expanded our country, more states joined our union and now we have 50 states and several territories. This country fought a war (The Civil War) to keep the union intact. My question is, where did you get the idea that “the left” wants to let foreign powers come in and destroy the union?? Also,,why do i have to ask Christopher Steel. Ask Robert Mueller. Ask Hillary Clinton, Ask Bruce Ore... Ever hear of these people before? Ask Comey, Ask Rosenstein, Obama, Biden, Lynch, Abedin, for anything??
For your information, Obama may have gotten the Iran deal through international diplomacy,,but, in this country, the Senate has to approve it by a two thirds majority, and during Obama’s terms the senate was evenly divided between the two parties so it could have been rejected, it was not. So don’t blame Obama, blame congress.
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 16:30 other posts of Godzillas 
You have no idea what is happening here, or your goals either. Nice talking to you..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 09,Aug,18 16:48 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
i think it's you who doesn't have an idea what is happening here. And what do you know about my "goals"? Never mind,,i think you've been embarrassed enough. however, if you want to give a try,,try this,,,instead of repeating what your betters said,,tell everyone in this forum why you believe what you seem to believe in (and it's hard as your English is atrocious) Give us facts not opinions,,show us the statistics,,,give us quotes,,in general,,give us more than "communism is profound socialism" and as far as "TDS" we all know what it is,,you,was the one that made it into a condemnation of the left without knowing who or what is the left,,as you said,,"Nice talking to you"
By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 16:57 other posts of Godzillas 
Here are the facts,,, not your TDS statements containing pools of ignorance and derangement..

DOJ official Bruce Ohr communicated with Trump dossier author Steele after FBI cut ties

ong after the FBI cut ties with former British spy and Trump dossier author Christopher Steele, senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr continued to maintain extensive contact with him, according to newly reported emails.

The emails, first reported by The Hill, reveal Steele even continued to send information to Ohr after the election.

The FBI “suspended and then terminated” Steele as a source in early November 2016 for what the bureau defined as “the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI,” according to a House Republican memo earlier this year. The FBI reportedly told Steele at the time he could no longer “operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI.”


Yet the emails show Ohr, a former associate deputy attorney general, and Steele communicated extensively from 2002 all the way into 2017.

One text message from Steele to Ohr on Jan. 31, 2017 reportedly said: “B, doubtless a sad and crazy day for you re-SY.” The text is an apparent reference to President Trump’s firing of Acting Attorney General Sally Yates.

The text continued: “Just want to check you are OK, still in the situ and able to help locally as discussed, along with your Bureau colleagues.”

Ohr reportedly replied: “I’m still here and able to help as discussed….I’ll let you know if that changes.”

Gregg Jarrett weighs in on 'The Story with Martha MacCallum' after a judge orders Fusion GPS to answer questions about the anti-Trump Steele dossier and discusses claims about Michael Cohen.
Steele reportedly said: “If you end up out though, I really need another (bureau?) contact point/number who is briefed. We can’t allow our guy to be forced to go back home. It would be disastrous.”

It is unclear what and whom Steele was referring to in that exchange.

The Hill reported that FBI officials admitted they continued to receive information from Steele through Ohr.

The FBI declined to comment when asked by Fox News whether the bureau relied on Steele’s intelligence after their working relationship was terminated.

Steele also sent one email to Ohr on July 1, 2016, obtained by The Hill, making an apparent reference to Trump.

“I am seeing [redacted] in London next week to discuss ongoing business, but there is something separate I wanted to discuss with you informally and separately,” Steele wrote. “It concerns out favourite business tycoon!”

Ohr and Steele reportedly had a call on the morning of July 7, 2016.

Steele authored and compiled information for the controversial and unverified anti-Trump dossier on behalf of Fusion GPS, which was hired to conduct opposition research funded by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign through law firm Perkins Coie.

Last year, Fox News confirmed that Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS during the 2016 election. According to court documents obtained by Fox News last year, Fusion GPS hired Mrs. Ohr to help investigate Trump. A separate Fox News review of her previous published works reveal she wrote extensively on Russia-related subjects.

The dossier “formed an essential part” of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants approved to surveil then-Trump campaign associate Carter Page, according to the House GOP memo alleging government surveillance abuse during 2016.

Emails show Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr at the DOJ discusses dossier research; Byron York explains on 'The Ingraham Angle.'
According to new documents obtained this week by The Washington Examiner, Ohr also continued communicating with Fusion co-founder Glenn Simpson before, during and after the election.

Other emails obtained by the Examiner reveal Steele’s communications with Russian aluminum financier Oleg Deripaska. Steele emailed with Ohr about Deripaska, who was seeking a visa to attend a meeting in the U.S. According to the Examiner, the U.S. revoked Deripaska’s visa based on alleged involvement with Russian organized crime.

Deripaska was reportedly close to former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Those communications raised questions of whether Steele was working with Deripaska while working on the dossier, and whether Fusion GPS and the Justice Department were involved.

By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 17:02 other posts of Godzillas 
MORE FACTS... TAKE NOTES @@@@

EDITORIALS
Memo: FBI Used Tainted Steele Dossier, Paid For By Hillary Clinton, As Reason To Spy On Trump

FBI Scandal: The controversial congressional memo that alleges abuse of the government's surveillance program has now been released to the public. A close reading of the four-page document reveals potentially damning evidence that the FBI and Department of Justice used an anti-Trump dossier funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign as the basis for spying on the Trump campaign.

GOP members of the House Intelligence Committee, led by Chairman Devin Nunes, released the declassified memo Friday, but only after President Trump's approval and after both DOJ and FBI protested release of the document, which served as the backbone of the government's investigation into alleged collusion in the 2016 presidential campaign between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Not surprisingly, President Trump had an immediate hot take for his Twitter feed: "The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans — something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. Rank & File are great people!"

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The memo's findings are, at minimum, disturbing and, at worst, suggest the law was broken. Assuming the memo's factual accuracy, it paints an unflattering picture of the Obama-era FBI and Justice Department and their conduct in investigating the Trump campaign. To wit:

The DOJ and FBI asked for and received approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to spy on Carter Page, a fringe volunteer adviser to the Trump campaign on energy and foreign policy. The basis for the approval was the now-famous "dossier" on Donald Trump compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele, who was working for the Fusion GPS political research firm. The dossier's contents were used multiple times as grounds for surveilling Page, with then-FBI Director James Comey signing his name to three, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signing off on one. It was a group effort: Then-acting Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and Dana Boente, along with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, all signed off on one or more of the requests.
Steele was paid $160,000 to create the Trump dossier for Fusion GPS. The Hillary Clinton presidential campaign and Democratic National Committee financed the work. So the FBI and Justice Department used opposition research from a presidential campaign to launch an investigation into that campaign's political opponent — a likely **** use of federal government surveillance for political purposes.
The FBI also agreed to pay Steele for his dossier and other research, but rescinded the offer in October of 2016, shortly before the presidential election, after discovering that Steele had shared the dossier's contents with journalists in a number of briefings, a violation of FBI rules. But neither the FBI nor Justice informed FISC that the information had in fact been paid for by the Democrats, which would have immediately raised doubts about the surveillance request's legitimacy.
Steele, the memo claims, continued to talk to the Justice Department even after he was cut loose by the FBI through then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr. Ohr is key, since he worked closely with both Yates and Rosenstein and was a potential conduit into then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch's office. More importantly, perhaps, Ohr's wife, Nellie, is a former CIA researcher who was hired by Fusion GPS to collect anti-Trump material.
According to the memo, Steele relayed to Ohr that he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." None of that, apparently, was told to FISC when Justice and the FBI made their requests to spy on the Trump campaign.
The supposed justification for the application to FISC was a September 23, 2016 Yahoo News article by journalist Michael Isikoff purportedly detailing ties between Trump campaign representatives and Russian officials. The only problem is, Isikoff got all of his information from Steele's so-called Trump dossier.
Let us stipulate that this memo is itself a partisan product of a Republican-dominated committee of Congress. Democrats, for their side of the matter, have their own memo and claim that essential facts have been omitted from the GOP's. But none of the central facts of the memo, so far, have been disproved.

Being charitable, it's possible to conclude that, during an intensely contentious presidential campaign, Obama administration Justice and FBI officials innocently sought FISA warrants against a peripheral Trump campaign volunteer based on a document they knew — or should have known — was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC. And that their decisions later to withhold information from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court were equally innocent of any malicious political intent.

Even if you grant that very generous reading of the facts laid out in the memo, it's clear there was at minimum a conflict of interest and, possibly, a violation of the 1939 Hatch Act, which forbids federal employees from political activities while on the job. If that weren't the case, why would a spate of Justice and FBI officials — including McCabe and Ohr — be either demoted, reassigned or let go in recent weeks?

Yet, former FBI Chief James Comey, apparently vying for Twitter dominance over Trump, tweeted out: "That's it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs."

Well, Comey's disingenuous "That's it?" includes the FBI colluding with a political party against another, while withholding material information from a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court about the source of its information and how it was paid for. Ethically questionable, certainly; ****, quite possibly.

The House Intelligence Committee's Democrats, in a statement, also criticized the memo: "The premise of the Nunes memo is that the FBI and DOJ corruptly sought a FISA warrant on a former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, and deliberately misled the court as part of a systematic abuse of the FISA process ... The FBI had good reason to be concerned about Carter Page and would have been derelict in its responsibility to protect the country had it not sought a FISA warrant."

Claims that release of this memo was inappropriate or dangerous are absurd. No intelligence methods were revealed. No big secrets, just the facts of an investigation that has gone on too long and has been used by political opponents and their Deep State allies to weaken a presidency. And it certainly calls into question the tortuous, now year-and-a-half long investigation into alleged Trump-Russia collusion during the 2016 election, spearheaded by former FBI chief Robert Mueller.

As always with these issues, it's useful to imagine turning it all on its head: That instead of Republicans, the Democrats had been spied upon; that a Republican presidential candidate had funded the research on which the spying was based; and that it was all part of a deep-dive investigation, again, instigated by the Republicans to tie the Democrats to various Russian officials and their efforts to subvert a U.S. election.

We would be told the nation was in grave danger. They would call it a silent coup. The liberal media would jump in. They would call it highly questionable and possibly ****. And you know what? They might be right.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 09,Aug,18 17:20 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
ok,,so???did you read this document and the conclusions?? Isn't this the document that Nunez released from his House Intelligence Committee and the democrats were shut out of it??? isn't this piece of work denounced by all the intelligence agencies of the US? And most of these investigations came after Trump took office. He is the boss of the FBI, the Justice deptmnt, the NSA, etc???i assume you know what the term "boss" means? He can fire the top people and start all over again if he doesn't like what he hears. Now, you might be able to tangle this up any way you want, but, as you referenced Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, let me ask you a question that defies logic if you think this is a conspiracy. If there was unlawful action, why are there no people indicted because of it?? Why don't they have a Paul Manaford under trial? I'll tell you why,,like your favorite president,,,it's fake news,,,(really,,no smoking gun)
By Godzillas at 10,Aug,18 01:26 other posts of Godzillas 
There you go again.
You have to be incredibly naive or your agenda fits perfectly with left wing coup and rationalization of fantasy.
Here is the deal. Hilary Clinton knew she was breaking the law with treason when she sold classified american documents to foreign investors.. This is to her own admission. The only reason she is NOT on death row is because they wanted her to be president therefore obstructing justice,,, YES the Obama administration. Those that got too close were killed or silenced. Hilary Clinton still has platforms to take down Trump. The obama administration colluded with the russians and ukrainians to not only steal our elections but to destroy Israel as well as their own election.
you asked for the facts. Whether you agree with the facts or not is your own conspiracy... You are a common Left Wing Coup de etat soldier. Left conspirator to bring down the consitution whether you know it or not. You choose the Left diversion so fine.. Obama is the first illllegal president in our history being born in Kenya. He lied all the way through to steal our money and give them to foreign investors...Those are the facts. You asked for them.. DOn't argue with me from facts.. Go bitch to CNN,, you could become famous..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 10,Aug,18 06:48 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
HAHAHA. WHY is Hillary still walking free? Why is this traitor not in prison? Because your crap is just that, crap. And the Obama birth place, isn't this beating a dead horse? How long are we going to have to hear about The Kenya birth thing?
No matter. You still spout crap without showing any evidence. But what do I know, I just argue from facts and facts are not going to prevent you from letting the excrement flow.
By Godzillas at 10,Aug,18 13:59 other posts of Godzillas 
That's right genious.. Go to CNN... tell them how famous you are. Show them why.
there is tons of evidence and you are too stupid to see it. Go preach to nancy pelosi and give the rosie odonnel fund..







By Godzillas at 09,Aug,18 16:34 other posts of Godzillas 
No, this discussion is your TDS. that's the discussion.

By phart at 10,Aug,18 11:24 other posts of phart 
I just wanted to pass along a observation.Where his wife came from and how she lived has shown him a different perspective than the rest of us have. so not caring about his experience or that of his wife could indicate a unwillingness to accept a point of view opposing your own. Which is what we deplorables are accused of constantly.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 10,Aug,18 11:52 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
@ phart,,but the premise is only valid to get a different perspective only if we were discussing oppression in other countries. My husband, Charlie, is 69 yrs old and he lived through the military dictatorship of the 1970's Argentina. They took control of the country because they thought that the left wing Montoneros where getting too powerful. Thirty thousand people disappeared without trial,,,their kids given to military families to raise as their own. I was born in Coral Gables (a neighborhood city in Miami Dade County) in 1966. That year the Pedro Pan kids were sent from Cuba. Their parents not wanting to be brought up Communists. The Nicaraguans where fighting Daniel Ortega and his revolutionary communist band of killers,,Colombia was exporting their cocaine cowboys to Miami. My kids married sons in laws and daughters in law (divorce is common in the states) who are 2nd generation Cuban Americans and other nationals. Whatever Godzillas's wife experience was it was regretable she had to go through it , but, again, it has nothing to do with our difference of opinion. If he thinks that this country is going down the tubes because there's oppression in another country then he is sadly mistaken. What's more, accepting a point of view opposing my own is not an option unless i'm wrong,,,show me why i'm wrong and i'll gladly admit i'm wrong, but his way of thinking, weather he is influenced by his wife's experiences,,his own,,or because martians landed in his back yard does not show me why i'm wrong, So,,,,,
I DON'T CARE WHAT HIS WIFE WENT THROUGH except in a humanitarian way. Mr Godzillas is wrong in so many ways it's almost laughable,,,,
By JustWill at 10,Aug,18 12:30 other posts of JustWill 
Surely you realize by now that GODZILLAS is a crazy person, right?
The "evidence" he sites is all debunked, conspiracy poop.
He's one of those "the Sandy Hook shooting was staged!" people.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 10,Aug,18 12:34 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
@ JustWill lol, yes, chupete,,it's just that engaging is one of my BAD GIRL favorite pass times,,there's no way he's dealing from a deck of 52,,,,but thanks for the heads up,,,

By Godzillas at 10,Aug,18 14:00 other posts of Godzillas 
Fuck you JustWill..















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