Started by #231712 at 13,Mar,12 09:30
 | What are peoples thoughts on Haveing their son circumcised?
I am 100% for circumcision! As a man who was circed as an adult and has lived and had sex with both a foreskin and now circed I can be confident in my decision that my son to will be happier! Although this is what I believe I'm not sure if I would give my son the snip as a baby as afew guys on here wish they had the choice, but will rather let him choose if he wants to have it done at between age 8 and 10 as it can be done by a clamp method without leaving unsightly suture marks which will come from a post pubescent/adult circ I knew from about 5 or 6 years old that I didn't like my foreskin and wanted to look like dad and other kids at swimming lessons and if offered by my parents I would have had it done! People say "let him choose when he's 18" but I did that and like most adult circs the results just aren't as good as infant/****. |
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Are there benefits from circumcision?
There are several:
1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!
2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.
3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?
4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used - this applies also to preventing cancer of the cervix in women who have several partners.)
A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.
5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.
6 Lots of men, and their partners, prefer the appearance of their penis after circumcision, It is odour-free, it feels cleaner, and they enjoy better sex. Awareness of a good body image is a very important factor in building self confidence.
7 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.
8 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely
If your circumcised and your happy with it then fine. If you are an Adult who had themselves circumcised as an adult, great I hope your happy with YOUR PERSONAL decision to have it done. Do you due diligence and research exactly is involved in circumcising your son. about the possible complications, about how the foreskin is the MOST erogenous tissue on the body... just spend more than 60 seconds thinking about it. why should a baby boy's first experience be this traumatic mind altering event? Did you also realize that not to long ago women in the USA also were circumcised? but the women came together and voiced their feeling and now it is ****.... but yet it seems perfectly OK to do this to males.....
I am sure I will get blasted for my comment....and I will once again ask why is there so much anger and resentment from the circumcised crowd? think about it. I know this original post is from 4 years ago and the member has left... I am hoping anyone reading this NOW will pause a moment and maybe decide this practice needs to stop...
I had the snip as an adult also and much prefer it
To be honest, I'm glad I've never had to bother with foreskin care, one less thing to worry about in life. I've got a good lookin cock and I'm very happy with it.
as for foreskin restoration procedures, what a waste of time, just goes to show how much excess money and time people have in the western world
but hey, why should anybody else feel the same way?
having "to bother with foreskin care" is 5 seconds a day, and if you're clipped, does that mean you don't have to wash your willie?
excess money and time is shown by cutting up for NO reason! NOT the other way around!
leave it!
Meanwhile, please consider some of the following;
He may NOT share your views when he is 18 and think (like so many cut men) that he was very badly treated by those who were there to look after his interests when he could not do so himself and that he has (rightly) been mutilated unneccesarily and been 'robbed' of an important part of his sensuality.
Secondly, whatever you personally prefer visually, does it make a good case to have your son mutilated to lose two thirds of the most sensitive nerve ends from his most private part just because YOU prefer the look?
Thirdly, does it make a good case to deprive your son (or anybody for that matter) of an important part of his sexual organs and his sensuality,...just for visual effect that he may, or may not, feel later? If he does do so when he is an adult then he can get it done himself,...he does NOT need the input of any other person for such a vital, private and personal matter. Or, are you saying your son cannot be given the rights over his own body?
Finally, although you yourself did not see the benefits of having a foreskin, PLEASE do some research and find out about the function and sensual value of the foreskin BEFORE you make an irrevocable move on your sons future life,...it's NOT the 'clear cut' thing that many think, pun intended!
I think giving my son the choice to choose is the right thing rather than to have it done as an infant
If he decides he likes his foreskin then good for him! Nothing wrong with choice though.
It's not just looks for me it's far better in summer no sweating and smell and having sex with a condom my foreskin would cover the glans and I'd have to keep pulling it back.
Now the sex is just fantastic all around
The foreskin behaves inside a condom during intercourse much the same as it does without the condom,...one does not have to keep "pulling it back" in normal sex so why then with a condom?
Personally I DO have problems with the size, fit, shape and action of condoms, but that is due to my shape etc,...I don't have any foreskin related difficulties that could be eliminated by something so drastic as circumcision.
I won't bother to read further as I am sure the hysterical comments will follow on.
I just hope that Justcut takes heed.
there is no reason and no RIGHT to clip a boy! he can decide for himself when he is old enough, if it even has his consideration. he might be just happy with his skin!
an uncut penis is, except for sometimes a medical reason, a perfectly constructed "instrument". and a foreskin is a joy. leave it alone!
in europe, 90% of the boys is NOT clipped, because there just is no need to do so. jews and muslims do it, and sometimes because of a narrow skin it is done... but nine out of ten guys walk around intact.
if the penis was meant te be cut, evolution would have taken care of it!
Same with girls getting holes in their ears.
My opinion.
You believe in that-cut it off.
If not leave it alone.
I wouldn't do it to my son anyway.
there is NO NEED to clip!!
no-one would ever do that to a girl in any way! and rightfully so! why would it be OK to do it to a babyboy??
it is HIS penis for the rest of his life!!
let it be HIS decision when he can decide for himself, there is NO reason to ALWAYS circumcise!!
the male, uncut, penis is a perfect designed instrument!
please leave it!! it's the best a man can have!
My wife didn't really understand the difference until she had the opportunity to examine my penis (which is uncut).
She loves it and we have discussed not circumcising our son, should we have one.
I remember growing up in Eastern Europe and wondering why the penises in the porn that I glimpsed at looked different than mine and all of my friends.
With the foreskin pulled back there is hardly any difference.
The whole hygiene argument... just like the space underneath your balls, your armpits, and any other part of your body - if you don't wash it, it will smell. Duh. When I shower (everyday, what an idea!), I make sure to pull my foreskin back and wash everything. It's just completely natural, like brushing your teeth daily. When I urinate, I also pull the foreskin back. However, when my penis is just relaxing and lounging in my pants, the foreskin is pulled forward for comfort, which is its natural state. When I am excited, it usually pulls back itself.
In conclusion: I am uncut, my penis does not smell because of it, my wife thinks my foreskin is a hoot, it's out of the way when it needs to be, we are not having out son cut (assuming we ever have one). Thank you, drive through.
as simple as that!! thanks fou4r for your comment!
this survey in some (two) populations in AFRICA, that will echo around for a century, that circumcision protects against HIV, only states that (statistacily) clipped man have a lesser risk at HIV than uncut. the point i was trying to make is mostly: IT DOES NOT PROTECT WOMEN MORE!!
so the cut guy can maybe fuck 10% more around, not wearing a condom, before he get's HIV, but the guy's circumcision doesn't protect the woman ONE BIT!
and that IS just my point!! what if circumcision would lower the risk of HIV (which is not true), we would, circumcised or not, still have to have safesex untill being in a steady relationship!
so what is the "plus" on that?
ok, reading your comments, i have an issue on something you say, and i quote:
"To me the possession of something as trivial as two inches (in my husbands case, he's got a big cock...I love it!) of movable flesh that as far as I can tell only makes for knob cheese and a rather unpleasant odor if not washed every other day is really a non-issue."
did you EVER hear an uncut guy talk about HIS foreskin as "two trivial inches of movable flesh"? who are you to put this piece of male anatomy down? "only makes for knob cheese if not washed every OTHER day"?? washing it EVERY day might be a solution!
what would you think and say if 50% of the people on this site were thinking of cutting up your female parts because they think it would look better or lower your stink?? RIGHT! SAME HERE!
and for your last post, you did not have to do that... yes, i enjoy cockrings, ballstretchers and my PA piercing! i'm into MANY things you might not be into! but at this site you shouldn't be shocked too easely!!
if you want to put that information into this discussion, to proove that i am a FOOL, and therefore all i have said is stupid, go ahead! i am not in this discussion to win or loose. i am in this discussion to be ONE of the people that could, in a few more DECADES, in the end could stop the circumcision of babyboys who are rightless over their foreskin!
www(dot)cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm
And be it known that I am married to an uncircmsised man and neither of my two sons are circumsised.
sure. this points raises his head in every discussion with americans about circumcision... even IF the results are significant (we are talking AFRICAN population and results!)
a quote:
"Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex".
...BY MEN!! doesn't protect a woman who, without a condom, is far more in danger getting hiv from the guy!
but..? what is the lesson for your son? go ahead, fuck unprotected, you are "circumsaved"?? or: fuck with a condom! always!! until you are into a safe and secure relationship!?
before the eighties, when HIV and AIDS did not exist, boys were circumcised without this very argument.
so: not valid!! the survey is not valid, the conclusion is not valid!
99% of the time, a foreskin is a perfectly designed functional part of the penis.
only when a problem arises to a boy or a man, about his foreskin be too narrow for example, than circumcision might be the solution.
to circumcise 100 boys because 1 of them might develop a foreskin that is too tight is NOT rational! we don't have preventional chemotherapy because we MIGHT get some kind of cancer!
and cutting up a babyboy without anaesthetic is just cruel and sadistic!!
but, if you DO circumcise your son, be so honest to come forward that you want to CONTROL HIS sexuality, that you feel you have a right to take from HIM, for ALL of HIS LIVE, what was never yours, but HIS!!
that you did circumcize him because you wanted it to be YOUR decision, NOT HIS!
that you did it because you could!! because he couldn't fight back, because his litlle legs were strapped by a doctor that earns a living out of cutting up little babyboys!
And on the end you are just proud how people send you more messages after that.
What the heavenly sky is wrong with that picture? Is that true picture of your nature?
I truly hope not.
/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
have look...
Everything still works perfectly, I have no problems at all having sex, but I do get annoyed hearing people say that the removal of part of me because of a medical necessity is a "mutilation"! Would you tell a woman who had a mastectomy she was mutilated? I would hope not!
........But that does NOT change the fact that thousands of tiny male babies ARE routinely willfully mutilated for no discernible reason other than the ill influence of adults with their own agendas.
In some cases these events are even without any painkilling assistance,..the **** is strapped down and the foreskin just cut off or worse, crushed to defeat heamorage. The **** has lost two thirds of the nerve endings in his penis,..also the unique voluptus of the foreskin which is different to that in the rest of the glans and shaft,...so the childs sexual capabilities and 'identity' are crudely changed and reduced without regard.
The dictionary definition of 'Mutilation' is slightly different according to which dictionary but all agree with 'willful deprivation and removal'.....so, the use certainly fits the appliction of the word!
The sooner that everyone understands the utter barbarity and pointless nature of this cruel procedure then the sooner men will be free to grow up with what nature intended and to THEN be free to make their own choice about their OWN penis. (in much the same way that a man can have any physical feature changed by cosmetic surgery now)
Although I would agree that this subject is tiresome in it's frequent argumentive manner, it's vital that sites like this DO allow full discussion and argument so that public attitudes and false perceptions are eventually changed ....in the interests of future genterations of babies who are unable to defend themselves,...and mindful of the legions of men who regret the loss of their foreskins and who would have like to know what having an intact penis is like,..not too much to ask, surely(?)
people, please! have a look at this video and decide if this is what you want to be legal!!
have a look, doesn't it break your heart that this is the start of life for a babyboy??
video dot google dot com
/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
did you see this video of a babyboy getting circimcised?
have a look:
video dot google dot com
/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
Could you answer my question please which I asked you by by PM on March 22nd.
Thank you in anticipation of your reply.
John S.
Circumcision of the healthy foreskin is simply unnecessary and is derived from religious folklore and cultural tradition. It has nothing to do with cleanliness, health or wellbeing.
Thousands of members on this site have perfectly functional, healthy uncircumcised penises. Foreskin is very necessary and important as PRIOR to arousal it protects the glans, which is the most sensitive part of the male anatomy and is actually classed as an internal organ until exposed during sex. Just as the clitoral hood protects the clitoris, the foreskin has the same function in men. The foreskin also provides additional sensitivity DURING arousal.
Also, by maintaining good personal hygiene, ie the same as we do with our hair, hands, teeth etc, you will maintain a healthy, functional penis, as have thousands of uncut members on this forum.
Recommemding or performing circumcision for cleanliness, religion, tradition or asthetics is completely illogical, wholly wrong and 100% unnecessary.
You wouldnt recommend the removal of a person's hands, hair or teeth to maintain personal cleanliness, as they can be cleaned and washed. The same logic applies to a man's whole, intact penis.
OK folks, bus but Matt's wife must, read this article and responds under. I think the picture could be quite different as you have now. Talking about supporters ...
video dot google dot com /videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
watch from beginning to end! don't give up, the baby didn't!
if, after seeing this, your adrenaline is at normal level, your heart didn't break, you don't feel tears in your eyes, you didn't feel sick seeing how it is done, and still think this should be standard procedure for every babyboy, there is nothing more i have to say...
what are his thoughts on being circumcised?
I could retract mine since I was about 3...
......And, you still have not answered our questions about whether you would (or perhaps already did) mutilate your own son for cosmetic reasons...??
And why don't you tell us whether we SHOULD or not "have threads that mock BBW's"......since you are obviously extremely confused about THIS thread it should be a good laugh! You seem SO determined to NOT understand whats been said here that I doubt anyone could be quite that stupid,...which leads me to surmise that it's perhaps guilt over male mutilation that is the problem
Where did it happen, Matt's Wife?
1. if you are against circumcision of a babyboy, you THEREFORE are PRO circumcision of babygirls, cutting the clitoris away;
2. if you clearly state you are AGAINST any form of female circumcision she will NOT hear that and at the same time denies you the right to have also an opinion about anything else;
3. this woman is above any rule of normal behaviour, we just have to live with that fact...
welcome to HER rules in this thread!!
and yes, i think it's annoying!!
i try to be calm..! i will quote you first:
"Anyone that says they are missing something that they have never had is a liar"
so, imagine your clitoris was cut off after birth, you never had it... so you could have never missed it??? and if you do other people tell you you are a liar???
that is what YOU say in your own words!
from my other response to you in this thread: how could we ever convince a not-informed-mother in the african backwoods, that circumcision of her daughter is NOT the best thing to do, that the tradition has to stop, if YOU, as a woman living in the developed world, with access to internet and all the sources to knowledge you can think of, SCREAMS, SHOUTS, BITCHES, to eveyone that differs on your opinion that a foreskin is only there for cutting!!
you are out of arguments, and out of your mind!
if you can say to a cut guy, that if he says he misses his taken-away foreskin, that he is a liar, i can say you don't know what you are talking about! you have no penis, never had, have no foreskin, never had, was not cut, never was!!
you might wish you had, but that is penis envy!!
thinking of it, that's just what it is!! penis envy of a woman wanting to cut it all off!! forget it!
video dot google dot com
/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
watch from beginning to end! don't give up, the baby didn't!
if, after seeing this, your adrenaline is at normal level, your heart didn't break, you don't feel tears in your eyes, you didn't feel sick seeing how it is done, and still think this should be standard procedure, there is nothing more i have to say...
video dot google dot com
/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617&hl=en#
watch from beginning to end! don't give up, the baby didn't!
if, after seeing this, your adrenaline is at normal level, your heart didn't break, you don't feel tears in your eyes, you didn't feel sick seeing how it is done, and still think this should be standard procedure, there is nothing more i have to say...
.......NOT nice to realise that you have damaged your own kids!
Hmmmmm sence. I rest my case. People of your and bugles ilk only chance is to try to use inflamatory words and you do it on the net like cowards. Then try to tell people they have dammaged their kids or the the men are not real men. What a crock of shit
You asked me if is right that young girls are mutilated.
My answer IS very strong: I think anyone who touches young girl genitals should be hang high! No question asked.
But I would suggest you to open new topic about that and believe me there will be enormous agreement with you.
On the other hand:
QUOTE:
Circumcision-related mortality rates are not known with certainty; this study estimates the scale of this problem. This study finds that approximately 117 neonatal circumcision-related deaths (9.01/100,000) occur annually in the United States, about 1.3% of male neonatal deaths from all causes. Because infant circumcision is elective, all of these deaths are avoidable. This study also identifies reasons why accurate data on these deaths are not available, some of the obstacles to preventing these deaths, and some solutions to overcome them.
END OF QUOTE
That's was in the Thymos, Journal of Boyhood Studies.
There is a lot more in that release and everyone can read on his own.
But remember those deaths CAN be prevented.
My topic is only about MALE CIRCUMCISION.
But I would like to bring to your attention:
-he/she had tried using local anaesthetic over the years but found that the infant appeard to be in just as much pain, if not more
-the needle to inject the anaesthetic is very painful, as is the local anaesthetic itself
-there is a concern about the increased chance of infection with the injecting of local anaesthetic, as the puncture holes from the needle would be in the diaper area surrounded by urine and faeces, below the area of the circumcision
I hope that give you a picture the agony of a little baby boy. To many people just thinking is not painful ....
Just to ensure an informed second opinion from the Jewish perspective I referred this matter to a Jewish contact of mine in the US for his comments which are below and as received.
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"The circumcision rate in the US is on the order of NINETY percent, and it is
not and never has been driven by us Jews. We circumcise because our God told us to do it as a sign of our covenant
relationship with him. I don't know why the Christians do it, but I strongly
suspect the medical and sanitary reasons you so quickly and foolishly
dismiss.
You have carefully chosen to mention several countries thought by the
uninformed not to circumcise, but you are wrong again. Circumcision is
widely and wisely practiced in Australia, Canada, Japan, India, Africa and
South Africa, as well as all the moslem countries and, guess where, ISRAEL. "
did you have a chance to read about a little baby boy who recently dies? I think was a few weeks ago.
Only two religion practice that and where they are spread you have more of that.
Let me tell you John, nothing wrong with that, but there is no God who give you a right to say my parents have not been wise people. This is personal and religious preference.
I would carefully use a term "wisely" and widely. If there is statistics to prove your statement, please let me know.
Respectfully,
noname
Yes or no?
A COCK IS GOOD FROM BIRTH!! LEAVE IT!!
you disregard ALL the points i made! but if you want to know my position, here it is!
yes, a clipped man is mutilated, no he is not less of a man!
and i DO compare female and male circumcision!! and will go on doing that until it ALL stops!!
in my view it ALL has to stop!
No parent has the right to inflict this mutilation on their offsprings.
Circumcision should only be done with the agreement of the person concerned.
and as an uncut guy, i know, and can tell you: i would h a t e to loose my foreskin! it's mine, and mine, and mine, and it's part of me and i love having it!!
i would like for ALL guys they could decide for themselves!
i try to be calm..! i will quote you first:
"Anyone that says they are missing something that they have never had is a liar"
so, imagine your clitoris was cut off after birth, you never had it... so you could have never missed it??? and if you do other people tell you you are a liar???
that is what YOU say in your own words!
from my other response to you in this thread: how could we ever convince a not-informed-mother in the african backwoods, that circumcision of her daughter is NOT the best thing to do, that the tradition has to stop, if YOU, as a woman living in the developed world, with access to internet and all the sources to knowledge you can think of, SCREAMS, SHOUTS, BITCHES, to eveyone that differs on your opinion that a foreskin is only there for cutting!!
you are out of arguments, and out of your mind!
if you can say to a cut guy, that if he says he misses his taken-away foreskin, that he is a liar, i can say you don't know what you are talking about! you have no penis, never had, have no foreskin, never had, was not cut, never was!!
you might wish you had, but that is penis envy!!
thinking of it, that's just what it is!! penis envy of a woman wanting to cut it all off!! forget it!
circumstitions dot com
have a look, be informed!!
female genital mutilation needs to be adressed to and discussed until it is stopped ALL over the world!! fight for it, i'm with you on that all the way!! it is horrible and MUST be stopped! whatever it takes, a young- or babygirls genitals should be left alone! no question about it!
at the same time, i have a standpoint, that the same goes for boys!! the fact that circumcission on boys is widespread doesn't make it morally different! before screaming back to me, think about it the following.
what is the difference in the way of thinking of an african mother that decides to have her daughter circumcised and an american mother having her son circumcised?? here is what:
1. they BOTH think it is the best thing to do;
2. they BOTH think they help their **** to have a better position in live by being NOT different from the majorety;
3. they don't see what is wrong with it, because it was done to themselfes, and they do not know different;
4. they think they have a right to do it, even feel an obligation to do it because in their mind it's the only right thing to do to a babies/c h i l d genitals...
5. the african mother might have no acces to other information other than what she has been told. the american mother has access to internet to learn all about the downsides of circumcision, female AND male!
as much energy and time it will take to make an uninformed mother in the backwoods understand that SHE is the person that can make a step in stopping the problem of female circumcision, maybe even more energy it will take to make women and men like you see the same fact for their sons...
1. he is intact, was meant to be by god and/or evolution;
2. it is HIS penis, NOT mine to decide!
3. the fact that is has been tradition to cut a boy in my little part of the world, is NOT a strong argument, in the same way female circumcision has to stop even IF tradition on the other side of the world! a WRONG tradition HAS to be stopped sometime!
4, the boy, at 18, would NEVER **** you for NOT clipping him! he makes his own decisions, staying unclipped most likely!
think about this! and think about how we could ever change views in africa, when you yourself scream hell and murder if confronted with an opinion you don't feel comfortable with.
....Come to that, how would YOU feel if your father had had your ears cut off for cleanliness or had your name and **** group tattooed across your chest or on the back of your neck, becasue it seemed like a good thing for you when you were too tiny to even know what was being done?
Also, if YOU are happy to keep yourself clean an dother people do not, is that good enough grounds for routine mutilation of all male babies, often without any painkillers?
Additionally, the "sensitivity in the head" that you see as a disadvantage might be highly enjoyable to another man....Many older circ'd men have trouble reachig orgasm because they have been robbed of the inate sensation of the foreskin,..as one ages it takes longer and requires more stimulation to orgasm so the forskin voluptus is vital for many.
so if it's legal, there could be nothing wrong with it? so alcohol and tabacco are not the most dangerous drugs because it's legal? the fact that something is legal, doesn't prove the point that is that it is harmless, without danger, or morally right!
and i will NOT shut up because of anything you say! and what i quote here from your previous statement is complete BS!!
welshlad at 20,Mar,12 11:27 "i have my opinion on it and so do other people u should all jsut respect what everyone thinks and not argue over it..."
i will keep argueing because i think it's wrong to cut of foreskin of little boys and it going on and on and on!!
if the arguments you give to cut your son would be true, than in europe, 90% of the guys being UNcut, there must be a BIGBIGBIG problem with penal health!! but strange thing: it DOESN'T!!
the circumsize-lobby can argument what they like, use statistics as rubber bands, throw sand in the eyes of the naives, but it doesn't win your case!
if foreskin was a bad idea, evolution (or even intelligent design, haha!) would have taken care of it!!
so: if you want to cut up your boy, rob him of all the pleasure a foreskin can give to him and future sexpartners, decide for him, because you want him to look like daddy does, go ahead, it's legal!
take your wrath on what your parents did to you!! cut it off and feel just RIGHT about it!! he might h a t e you for it, but hey, you could not let him take the decision for himself... too little time!! you just HAD to do it!
i said: GO AHEAD! CLIP YOUR SON!! you want it? DO IT! you think you have the right? DO IT! you want him to "look better"?? DO IT! to look just like daddy? DO IT!! to make him ahev hin have a clean penis instead of learning him to put his skin back in the shower? go ahead! DO IT!
CLIP YOUR SON if you want to and if legal!! find a doctor that want to do it, no problem, he earns a living out of it!!
but since you are matt52's WIFE, you don't even know what a foreskin means to a guy!
.......You have joined this disscussion by coming here and abusing people,...telling untruths wrapped as facts,....making unsubstantiated accusations, and generally bitching about what is actually the normal state of the male body......
....So WHY?.....WHY are you so keen to mutilate?....WHY did you probably mutilate your own ****(ren)....WHY do you want male sensuality reduced?
Please listen to me when I say DON'T DO IT!!! My parents made a bad decision and ruined my life... don't make the same mistake...
this is how he feels! and he has a right to do so!
if it ruined his (sex)live because he has felt loss, who are you to judge??
in this thread, the man that knows, that is clipped without his consent, gives his opinion, and yes, it seems to go VERY deep, and you prefer to riduculize him instead of listening to him and take some reflection or input on your own opinion!
spirit chaser spoke out and he has a right to!!
and why being so sensitive about comparing a boys circumcission to a females circumcission?? (and getting to it, famale circumsission goes from a little scratch to taking away the clitoris, and many varieties -cutting the outer lips for example). but, what exectly is the difference? it is both wrong!! and there is no need for it!
i don't WANT it to look bad in my argumentation, i THINK it is BOTH bad!!
mind you, i understand there is a cultural difference between americans (clipping away for no good reason, but hey: we just do!) and europeans (not clipping).
but, i there are more guys regretting to be clipped than guys regretting to NOT be clipped! and the first is irreversable, the second is free choice!
Who are you to trivialise the responses of the men who rightly feel mutilated by the opinions of parents who were supposed to protect them from exactly this type of harm?
Only Islamic countries, or countries with large Jewish communities routinely circumcise males, as it is a ritual within those faiths, so it has nothing to do with health. People who practiced Judaism within the early years of the U.S.A's health system ensured it was done routinely.
If a man practices good personal hygiene, then you have no foreskin problems. Some men have a naturally tight foreskin, but that can be easily remedied.
Go to Canada, Australia, U.K, Germany, Japan, China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Russia, Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, France, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Ireland.... ie, the majority of the world, you'll find it very, very difficult to find a cicumcised penis. Fact.
With the greatest of respect to you I dont know what book of fables you have been reading but as an Australian I can well advise you that it is just the opposite in the case of Australia.
Visit any nudist beach for example and you will see just by simple observation that the larger percentage of us are in fact circumcised.
The comment about the Jewish faith is also not correct.
some interesting statistics and details about male circumcision in australia at:
circumstitions dot com/Australia dot html
looking at that, i think you might visit the nudebeaches of South Australia, Queensland or New South Wales...
but the main point Intense69 was trying to make goes UNdisputed (and here i copy/paste and quote):
"The majority of the developed world is uncircumcised, and the majority of the developed world have no foreskin-related penile health problems."
and that IS a fact!
Your last sentence sums this whole silly debate up well.
There are far more important issues than whether or not we are missing a tiny piece of skin off our dicks.
Big deal if we are cut or not, we are all EQUALLY males and whether we are cut or not makes no difference to our masculinity and worth as men even though some individuals may believe otherwise.
Best regards and compliments.
What exactly is the purpose of this genital mutilation?
There IS no medical purpose!
Plus constant exposure of the glans leads to decreased sensitivity...
Leave it the way nature made it.
They butchered me when I was an infant with no power; I'd never do it to anyone else.
.....And yes, a circumcised man has indeed been 'mutilated' according to The Concise Oxford Dictionary, and I suspect, all English ditionaries.....take a look for yourself.
Personally, I find this whole business of systematic, routine and toitally needless mutilation to be utterly horrific and the work of hideous ignorance,...so yes it IS "sad" and one of the many benefis of sites such as this is to help remove that ignorance.
They usually will claim either directly or more often by inference,that cut males are "lesser" than uncut males, imperiously elevating themselves at the expense of cut males. They seem to conveniently overlook the fact that whether a man is cut or not makes absolutely NO difference whatsoever to his masculinity or worth as a man.
As far as I can see Matts wife has only said that I'm a "jerk" and an "asshole" and that we are "bashing" men who have been circ'd,....leaving aside the personal insults, which may or not have some "truth", the last is most definately NOT true.....
....Perhaps if matts wife were to say something of reasonable intellect, or even just relevant to the argument we would be able to judge whether it was "true" or not...(??)
you cannot call people that decide to leave it alone "a brigade"!!
1...Older men (and women) have many and different health problems icluding those of the bladder and pelvic organs,...there are NO FIGURES to record ANY specific foreskin problems so we only have YOUR input about that!
2 studies have NOT shown ANY link between penile cancer and foreskin/circumcision,...as you probably know.
3 The 'apparent' link to papilloma virus suggesting circumcision as a preventative measure (given preliminary article in BMJ) has never been repeated in ANY further study,..as doubltless you know if you were able to find the link to quote it!
4 The BMJ in 2000 DID indeed 'suggest' that circumcision "might" be a useful factor on preventing the spread of AIDS but concluded that there was limited proof according to how studies are managed and that the overwhelming disadvantanges to mass circumsision could not be overlooked.
4A.....African tribes either side of valley,....(a 'Panorama' prog so no integrity anyway!)...don't i recall that there was a follow up prog in which it was shown to be jsut a sensational scam like much panaorama work...???? I'll see if I can find it...
5 Is without any meaning or 'subject' that I can see except to say that there has never been any proven links shown...... as you probably know if you looked it up to quote.
6 Well,..I;m simply not going to bother as it's so laughable!! ....."awareness of a good body image"...that's even if it's a mutilated one then presumably?
7 & 8 balanitis/urinary tract infections,.....there is NO evidence to suggest that these can be remedied by something so drastic as mutilating the penis and removing two thirds of the most sensitive voluptus producing nerve ends that determine much of a mans sexual response,...but, hey! if you're clutching at straws I suppose it has to do....
So 'matts wife'....tell us how you reconile the mutilation of your own male ****....how do you cope with knowing that you have made irrevocable changes to their future sexual repertoire and experiences for know tangible reason other than you own prurient interest??
Although it's transferred through the pink moist inner foreskin at a far higher percentage than those who are clipped
fact is: if you wear a condom, you protect yourself and your partner! if you don't, you and your partner are playing a high-risk-game!
choose what you want, but if you think an uncut guy is high-risk, just don't fuck with him!!
but i have to tell you, your mind is messed up! **** and sperm is what it is about, cut or uncut does not matter...
go ahead and fuck without condom, you are clipped, no way you could get infected?? go ahead, you will find out!!
circumstitions.com/death