I think people who will vote to leave are living in the past. Britain isn't a world power as it used to be, and ultimately we need to develop links with Europe and the E.U rather than sit out. I'm not saying we give it a free pass to do whatever it likes, and I certainly have my grievances with it, but it is going to be a major influence in our politics for hundreds of years regardless of what we do, and so I think it the only option to stay in and continue to be a part of a vibrant and prosperous Europe. I do wish the E.U was better at helping refugees though. The 'look after our own'/'country is full' attitude that lots of Mail readers have really annoys me

interesting posscipt to this....

This morning my near neighbour took delivery of his new jaguar which had a new number plate featuring the Euro flag (blue ground with ring of gold stars...just teh sort of fatuous pompous symbol that the EU would have!)....

Around lunch time I saw the new Jaguar draw up outside and noticed that it now had a plain index plate. I asked my neighbour about this as I was unsure if I imagined it. He told me that he had just been to have the plate changed as "...I bought the car with my own bloody money despite fucking Europe and I'll be buggered if it's going to have their badge on it!"......

when it was first set out in 1965, or thereabouts, we were already in EFTA (European free trade assoc)which had mainly Scandinavian countries....Britain is not actually part of either Europe proper or Scand. but is more related to Scand. as we have a large percentage of Viking heritage and thus culture and mindset..... EFTA countries have done rather well...much better than in EU but we were forced to give up membership...


When the EU started is was known in UK as 'The Common Market'. It was only about trade and the real pupose and plan was never hinted at to the British public. For a long period the 'De Gaul government in France prevented British membership.....De Gaul himself was rabidly anti-British and became a 'boggyman' for British people. Becasue of this basic 'French/British' squabble the politicians found it easy to persuade the public that 'The Market' offered increased prosperity and should be striven for by all Brits.


All political parties in UK advocated the 'Market' as teh way forward and we were duly 'joined'. Only after this was there the one ond only public referendam and, not surprisingly, it was a 'yes',...although there were many detractors who pointed out flaws such as teh poor wording of the various conditions and laws that would potentially allow future changes that would not be so desirable, but this was put to scorn by politicians.


Once the public had said 'YES'several things began to emerge;....we would not be full members for some time until we had become truly 'European'...and, the 'scheme' went much, much further than a mere commercial affiliation like EFTA had been.


When the true scale of 'Europeanisation' became apparent everyone became more than a little alarmed....after all, these were the very same 'foreigners' that had caused us so much pain and grief for two thousand years, andn now they demaded we should be like them to be 'in the club'....


What followed next has been nothing short of a concerted attempt to destroy British culture and way of life....it began with complete change to our currency...the actual coins in our pockets under the premise that 'Europeans would not be able to work it out as they only think in tens'....and alot of other complete bullshit about every trade and industry...every dimension of every British made product had a need to be changed into a Europe friendly one. The actual purpose, now admitted, was to destroy as much of our culture as possible so that we would somehow embrace Europe as the best alternative. Brussels now became teh centre of our world along with increasingly bizarre and forceful dictates, each of which altered or eliminated part of British life and culture.....many Britsh institutions were placed outside the law...500 of our vegetables for instance, were made an offence to own in one dictate!! When it was pointed out to Brussels that these included the lettuces carried by The Crusaders and herbs grown by the Saxons this counted for nothing. 'Europe' invaded every tiny crevice of our lives and we now learned that this was to be enforced by huge lists of new laws backed up by international treaties that would turn us magically into full 'Europeans'. We were informed that there was now no going back and any resistance was pointless as the treaties had become irrevocable laws of the land.


Gradually (and sometimes NOT so gradually!) the full horror has come out along with the madness of the original perpetrators......All countries must be equal whatever the cost...unless you're in France or Germany.


all farms and farmers must be equal and the same especially in France.....this has resulted in the 'Common Agricultural Policy' in which arable farms must produce pointless crops ion order to gain their 'subsidy'...any small farms which produce 'niche products' are to be left to their own devices and forced out of business so that their land can be used for oil seed r a p e growing, and thus earn a pointless subsidy. No farmer can object becasue he would lose his subsidy and anyway, it works well for the French.

millions of acres are given over to completely pointless crops such as oil seed r a p e and over production is a neccessity. this massive surplus is built up in 'butter mountains' and 'wine lakes' or sometimes sent to Africa as a gesture while 150,000 British kids are thought to be below the 'poverty line' and go out in the morning with no breakfast.....


...Does anyone want me to go on?...Bella?

this gets discussed in Australia too, ld rather remain in, because in a hundred years, we might need to have friends on all sides of the world..theres strength in numbers and we don't know where the world will be in the future...best of to have plenty of mates from all nations *lix*

Being as were tricked into a 'union' that was entirely unnatural, fraudulent, manifestly dishonest and also completely undemocratic I would say we need to be released from the evil as soon as possible but there are powerful people with their own agendas....as indeed there were that got us into the farce in the first place........


.......Even some of the main plotters such as Edward Heath later admitted that they could not dare to tell the truth about what was planned because the British public would have been so angry that the 'scheme' would have died instantly.


Ever since we have been coerced and lied to so that we keep passive and don't rebel while watching how the 'union' can NEVER be made to work. We are NOT European and never have been or ever will be...We are BRITISH! It's cost us billions so that other countries such as Eire can get money out.....for every pound we are robbed of Eire gets a pound...and that's but one tiny stupidity in a long horrible travesty.

It is black comedy the way that politicians mumble about the EU......If they went on the street they would find that just about ALL indigenous Britons are SICK of ploliticians and profoundly SICK of the bloody EU!