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Started by #188992 at 06,Oct,20 17:28
Given recent comments, and the inability of the US to have a grown-up discussion about ideology and policy, I thought I would provide a space for political, social and cultural stuff that originates outside of the US borders.

Similar topics: 1.*World Views*   2.Merry Christmas to us pervs.   3.JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD   4.Would Love to Show Off to a Lady   5.What do you think to this?  

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By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 12:16
Laurence Fox: free speech champion or out-of-date luvvie?

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By mr_blue at 07,Oct,20 13:42 other posts of mr_blue 
Link won't work with the censorship in it
By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 14:07
Oh bugger. I'll find another .....

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By mr_blue at 07,Oct,20 14:23 other posts of mr_blue 
so someone says something to get a rise from so called tolerant and inclusive people,they fall for it and decide to sue him with a lawyer who has a history of chasing people with money....

I suppose the drag queen will probably kick off for being misgendered at some point know, ultimate pc pain in the arse, just because they can
By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 14:46
OR .... over-privileged luvvie makes a stupid gesture against Sainsbury's for their support of Black History Month. Someone calls him a racist, and his retaliation is to imply more than one person is a ****phile?

Looks like his new political party (Reclaim) wants the latitude to not just use politically incorrect language, but to defame people who disagree with him too.

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The bit that struck me from that article was:

Asked by the interviewer what he meant by the idea that “racism can be deferential”, Fox answered: “This is why you don’t get actors involved in chats like this. Because I’m just not smart enough to do it.”

Ha fucking ha!
By mr_blue at 07,Oct,20 15:04 other posts of mr_blue 
I don't dispute he is a luvvie,is that his fault he has privilege...?
Has he said dumb shit,yes....but suing someone for something they say is defamation while actually confirming in their statement it's an old trope used to rile,screams of attention seeking behaviour....then when you add in a lawyer who chases a bit of cash to it....who is better ? They're all dicks...

By #551147 at 07,Oct,20 16:43
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By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 17:06
One black guy's opinion. You KNOW I could find you a YouTube clip saying pretty much the opposite. So ... what's your point?

Tell us what YOU think, not what Morgan thinks. Or do you just agree with everything that an elderly, rich, successful, black man thinks?

Do you not think that how we have got on in life affects our views?

By kebmo at 07,Oct,20 10:50 other posts of kebmo 
Yesterday Canada laid to rest it's 17th Prime Minister, 91 year old John Turner. Turner was born in Richmond, Surrey, England.
He was PM for a mere 78 days in 1984 before being Succeeded by Brian Mulroney who held the PM's office for ten years.
He was involved in Canadian politics for two decades and earned the respect from all parties.

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By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 11:18
Different times! To be a sprinter of Olympic standards too - pretty impressive.

By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 06:18
Thanks to everyone for derailing a thread that was meant to discuss matters from OUTSIDE the US. Smh.
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By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 08:45
Do you think there should be some sort of International response to this tragedy, or is it best to leave them to "slug it out"?

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By bella! at 06,Oct,20 19:07 other posts of bella! 
I don't know if it's the inability of Americans to have a "grown-up" conversation, but every day, every damn day, potshots are made against the UNITED STATES. Today, the comment followed by words from John Cougar Mellencamp's tune, CRUMBLIN' DOWN was like someone saying, nah-nah-na-boo-boo.

Don't you think the American people are concerned with the mess our country is in? I am! I voted for Barack Obama the first time, not the second four years. I voted for Donald Trump, too because he was the lesser of two "evil".

Trump's term hasn't been easy, although he has accomplished many things that he promised. Sadly, he's accomplished many of them via executive order.

Currently, there is so much chaos and dissension in our country, it worries me what the next 4 years will be like. Can our country handle 4 more years if President Trump is reelected? I don't know. The Democrats push against him and there's the dissension within the Republican party, too. Can our country be healed and handle 4 years of Harris and Biden? Heck, they fricken butted heads when she was a Senator and he was Vice President. I feel that the young people are going to determine the results of this election and heaven help our country.

I want to be optimistic but I am worried. And to constantly see our leader bashed every damn day just pisses me off.
By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 19:23
Would you please list his accomplishments. 5500 children ripped from their parents. 209,000 people dead. an economy that has tanked. My list could go on. Whats funny I was not sure who I was going to vote for, but after watching the debate, I knew then. I watched Fox news the day after, and what was said is not what happened that night. What I know is this, my brother in-law died from covid-19, plus a friend of my daughters. My brother in-law was such a die-hard Trump fan that he wore a Trump wig at a party the week before he died.
Turn off Fox, and follow the wires from around the world.
Ex-US Navy Veteran here. We are either going to have a civil war, or an international one if the BS does not stop. Will vote for Biden this time, Don't know what will happen after, what I know something has to give... Again turn OFF FOX!!!!
By #551147 at 06,Oct,20 19:59
@ Retro57,

🙄 "List" huh! As you requested, here you go.

That being said, your above statements are SO asinine, and frankly embarrassing, to be coming from a fellow American, it's shameful. I fully believe you will dismiss this, and I will have wasted my time. Try selling that bullshit to someone else who may buy into it. Nevertheless, here's what YOU asked for!

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP and his cabinet have accomplished...

1. Trump signed 3 bills to benefit Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs, and the third gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana.
2. Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch.
3. Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences.
4. Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising during the 2 years before he was elected.
5. Trump signed a bill making CBD and Hemp legal.
6. Trump’s EPA gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan.
7. Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil.
8. Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving information.
9. Trump signed the “Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act” (FOSTA), which includes the “Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act” (SESTA) which both give law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking.
10. Trump signed a bill to require airports to provide spaces for breastfeeding Moms.
11. The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, which outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country's highest-paid workers.
12. Low-wage workers are benefiting from higher minimum wages and from corporations that are increasing entry-level pay.
13. Trump signed the biggest wilderness protection & conservation bill in a decade and designated 375,000 acres as protected land.
14. Trump signed the Save our Seas Act which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic & garbage from the ocean.
15. He signed a bill this year allowing some drug imports from Canada so that prescription prices would go down.
16. Trump signed an executive order this year that forces all healthcare providers to disclose the cost of their services so that Americans can comparison shop and know how much less providers charge insurance companies.
17. When signing that bill he said no American should be blindsided by bills for medical services they never agreed to in advance.
18. Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept.
19. In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump, drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month.
20. He created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans.
21. VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far.
22. Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life.
23. Because of a bill signed and championed by Trump, In 2020, most federal employees will see their pay increase by an average of 3.1% — the largest raise in more than 10 years.
24. Trump signed into a law up to 12 weeks of paid parental leave for millions of federal workers.
25. Trump administration will provide HIV prevention drugs for free to 200,000 uninsured patients per year for 11 years.
26. All-time record sales during the 2019 holidays.
27. Trump signed an order allowing small businesses to group together when buying insurance to get a better price.
28. President Trump signed the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act that provides funding for states to develop maternal mortality reviews to better understand maternal complications and identify solutions & largely focuses on reducing the higher mortality rates for Black Americans.
29. In 2018, President Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act, a criminal justice bill which enacted reforms that make our justice system fairer and help former inmates successfully return to society.
30. The First Step Act’s reforms addressed inequities in sentencing laws that disproportionately harmed Black Americans and reformed mandatory minimums that created unfair outcomes.
31. The First Step Act expanded judicial discretion in sentencing of non-violent crimes.
32. Over 90% of those benefitting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are Black Americans.
33. The First Step Act provides rehabilitative programs to inmates, helping them successfully rejoin society and not return to crime.
34. Trump increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) by more than 14%.
35. Trump signed legislation forgiving Hurricane Katrina debt that threatened HBCUs.
36. New single-family home sales are up 31.6% in October 2019 compared to just one year ago.
37. Made HBCUs a priority by creating the position of executive director of the White House Initiative on HBCUs.
38. Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a historically black college for his criminal justice reform accomplishments.
39. The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% under the Trump administration as a result of a jobs-rich environment.
40. Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels since the U.S. began collecting such data.
41. President Trump signed a bill that creates five national monuments, expands several national parks, adds 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and permanently reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund.
42. Trump’s USDA committed $124 Million to rebuild rural water infrastructure.
43. Consumer confidence & small business confidence is at an all-time high.
44. More than 7 million jobs created since election.
45. More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
46. More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created since his election.
47. Trump appointed 5 openly gay ambassadors.
48. Trump ordered Ric Grenell, his openly gay ambassador to Germany, to lead a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe.
49. Through Trump’s Anti-Trafficking Coordination Team (ACTeam) initiative, Federal law enforcement more than doubled convictions of human traffickers and increased the number of defendants charged by 75% in ACTeam districts.
50. In 2018, the Department of Justice (DOJ) dismantled an organization that was the internet’s leading source of prostitution-related advertisements resulting in sex trafficking.
51. Trump’s OMB published new anti-trafficking guidance for government procurement officials to more effectively combat human trafficking.
52. Trump’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations arrested 1,588 criminals associated with Human Trafficking.
53. Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services provided funding to support the National Human Trafficking Hotline to identify perpetrators and give victims the help they need.
54. The hotline identified 16,862 potential human trafficking cases.
55. Trump’s DOJ provided grants to organizations that support human trafficking victims – serving nearly 9,000 cases from July 1, 2017, to June 30, 2018.
56. The Department of Homeland Security has hired more victim assistance specialists, helping victims get resources and support.
57. President Trump has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so that no child is trapped in a failing school because of his or her zip code.
58. The President signed funding legislation in September 2018 that increased funding for school choice by $42 million.
59. The tax cuts signed into law by President Trump promote school choice by allowing families to use 529 college savings plans for elementary and secondary education.
60. Under his leadership ISIS has lost most of their territory and been largely dismantled.
61. ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was killed.
62. Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs.
63. Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers.
64. Trump issued an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government from discriminating against Christians or punishing expressions of faith.
65. Signed an executive order that allows the government to withhold money from college campuses deemed to be anti-Semitic and who fail to combat anti-Semitism.
66. President Trump ordered a halt to U.S. tax money going to international organizations that fund or perform abortions.
67. Trump imposed sanctions on the socialists in Venezuela who have killed their citizens.
68. Finalized new trade agreement with South Korea.
69. Made a deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe.
70. Withdrew the U.S. from the job killing TPP deal.
71. Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam.
72. Okay’ d up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.
73. Has had over a dozen US hostages freed, including those Obama could not get freed.
74. Trump signed the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades.
75. Trump secured Billions that will fund the building of a wall at our southern border.
76. The Trump Administration is promoting second chance hiring to give former inmates the opportunity to live crime-free lives and find meaningful employment.
77. Trump’s DOJ and the Board Of Prisons launched a new “Ready to Work Initiative” to help connect employers directly with former prisoners.
78. President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country.
79. 8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones.
80. Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country.
81. Trump directed the Education Secretary to end Common Core.
82. Trump signed the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law.
83. Trump signed measure funding prevention programs for Veteran suicide.
84. Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed.
85. Manufacturing jobs are growing at the fastest rate in more than 30 years.
86. Stock Market has reached record highs.
87. Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
88. African-American unemployment is at an all-time low.(was until Covid bullshit)
89. Hispanic-American unemployment is at an all-time low.
90. Asian-American unemployment is at an all-time low.
91. Women’s unemployment rate is at a 65-year low.
92. Youth unemployment is at a 50-year low.
93. We have the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded.
94. The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
95. 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future— the highest ever.
96. As a result of the Republican tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
97. Record number of regulations eliminated that hurt small businesses.
98. Signed welfare reform requiring able-bodied adults who don’t have children to work or look for work if they’re on welfare.
99. Under Trump, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history.
100. Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors 100’s of millions of $$$ this year alone.
101. Signed Right-To-Try legislation allowing terminally ill patients to try experimental treatment that wasn’t allowed before.
102. Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
103. Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
104. U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high so we are less dependent on oil from the Middle East.
105. The U.S. is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
106. NATO allies increased their defense spending because of his pressure campaign.
107. Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord in 2017 and that same year the U.S. still led the world by having the largest reduction in Carbon emissions.
108. Has his circuit court judge nominees being confirmed faster than any other new administration.
109. Had his Supreme Court Justice’s Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh confirmed.
110. Moved U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
111. Agreed to a new trade deal with Mexico & Canada that will increase jobs here and $$$ coming in.
112. Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
113. Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices, has agreed to a Part One trade deal with China.
114. Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide Hotline.
115. Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments.
116. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law by Trump doubled the maximum amount of the child tax credit available to parents and lifted the income limits so more people could claim it.
117. It also created a new tax credit for other dependents.
118. In 2018, President Trump signed into law a $2.4 billion funding increase for the Child Care and Development Fund, providing a total of $8.1 billion to States to fund child care for low-income families.
119. The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) signed into law by Trump provides a tax credit equal to 20-35% of child care expenses, $3,000 per child & $6,000 per family + Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) allow you to set aside up to $5,000 in pre-tax $ to use for child care.
120. In 2019 President Donald Trump signed the Autism Collaboration, Accountability, Research, Education and Support Act (CARES) into law which allocates $1.8 billion in funding over the next five years to help people with autism spectrum disorder and to help their families.
121. In 2019 President Trump signed into law two funding packages providing nearly $19 million in new funding for Lupus specific research and education programs, as well an additional $41.7 billion in funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the most Lupus funding EVER.
122. Another upcoming accomplishment to add: In the next week or two Trump will be signing the first major anti-robocall law in decades called the TRACED Act (Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence.) Once it’s the law, the TRACED Act will extend the period of time the FCC has to catch & punish those who intentionally break telemarketing restrictions. The bill also requires voice service providers to develop a framework to verify calls are legitimate before they reach your phone.
123. US stock market continually hits all-time record highs.
And SO much more since this was written.

PHEW! 😳 ALL that, while trying to defend himself, for just about his ENTIRE presidency, over a BIG LIE (Russia Collusion) AND a stupid, idiotic IMPEACHMENT, and now a PANDEMIC. Just imagine how much MORE he can accomplish if given another term.

Donald is NOT perfect, NO MAN is, but he's certainly MORE accomplished than his opponent who has 47+ years in politics and what are HIS accomplishments? 😄😆🤣😂

Forgive the length of this, but I'm ABSOLUTELY SICK of the Democrats/Liberals bullshit lies.

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸
By bella! at 06,Oct,20 20:31 other posts of bella! 
Thank you, I was trying to figure out how to copy a link in order to post it here.
By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 22:17
Here is a transcript of George Carlins 'Dumb Americans' from 2006

From Life Is Worth Losing
Recorded on November 5, 2005, Beacon Theater, New York City, New York

“It’s called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it”.

People are fucking nuts. This country is full of nitwits and assholes. Do you ever notice that? Oh, my goodness, yes. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Nitwits, assholes, fuck ups, scumbags, jerk offs and dipshits. And they all vote. They all vote, yeah. In fact, sometimes you get the impression They’re the only ones who vote. You can usually tell who’s been doing the voting by looking at the fucking election returns. Man, it sure ain’t me out there wasting my time with a meaningless activity like that. You know those people on the “Jerry Springer Show”, those are the average Americans. Oh, yeah, believe me. Below average can’t get on the show. Can’t get on. Below average is sitting home watching that shit on TV, getting ready to out and vote, filling out their sample ballot. People are fucking dumb.

You can say what you want about this country, and I love this place. I love the freedoms we used to have. I love it. I love that. I love it when it didn’t take a fucking catastrophe to get us to care for one another. I love the fact that we’re on camera all the time from all angles. But, you know, you can say what you want about America. And I say I love this place. I wouldn’t have it any other way, wouldn’t live in any other time in history in any other place. But say what you want about America. Land of the free, home of the brave. We’ve got some dumb-ass motherfuckers floating around this country. Dumb-ass motherfuckers, you know. Now, obviously that doesn’t include this audience. I understand that. You seem intelligent and perceptive but the rest of them, holy jumping fucking shit balls. Dumber than a second coat of paint.

Now, this ain’t just ranting and raving. This ain’t just blowing off steam. I got a little evidence to support my claim. It just seems to me seems to me, that only a really low IQ population could have taken this beautiful continent, this magnificent American landscape that we inherited… Well, actually, we stole it from the Mexicans and the Indians but. Hey, it was nice when we stole it. It looked pretty good. It was pristine. Paradise. Have you seen it lately? Have you taken a good look at it lately? It’s fucking embarrassing.

Only a nation of unenlightened half-wits could have taken this beautiful place and turned it into what it is today, a shopping mall. A big, fucking shopping mall. You know that. That’s all you got. That’s all you got here, folks. Mile after mile of mall after mall. Many, many malls. Major malls and mini malls. They put the mini malls in between the major malls. And in between the mini malls they put the mini marts. And in between the mini marts. You’ve got the car lots, gas stations, muffler shops, Laundromats, cheap hotels, fast food joints, strip clubs and dirty bookstores. America the beautiful. One big transcontinental commercial cesspool.

And how do the people feel about all this? How do the people feel about living in a coast-to-coast shopping mall? Well, they think it’s JUST FUCKING DANDY! They think it is as cool as can be. Because Americans love the mall. They love the mall. That’s where they get to satisfy their two most prominent addictions at the same time. Shopping and eating. Millions of semiconscious Americans day after day shuffling through the malls shopping and eating. Especially eating. Americans love to eat. They are fatally attracted to the slow death of fast food. Hot dogs, corn dogs, triple bacon cheeseburgers, deep-fried butter dipped in pork fat and cheesewhiz, mayonnaise-soaked barbecue, mozzarella patty melts. America will eat anything. Anything. Anything. Shit,if you were selling sautéed raccoons assholes on a stick, Americans would buy them and eat them. Especially if you dipped them in butter and put a little salsa on them.

This country is big-time pig time. Forget the bald eagle. You know what the national emblem of this country ought to be? A big bowl of macaroni and cheese. A BIG BOWL. Because everything in this country is king size. King size, extra large and SUPER JUMBO. Especially the fucking people! Have you seen some of the people in this country? Have you taken a good look at some of these big, fat motherfuckers walking around? Big, fat motherfuckers. Oh, my God. Huge piles of redundant protoplasm lumbering through the malls like a fleet of interstate buses. The people in this country are immense. Massive bellies. Monstrous thighs and big, fat fucking asses. And if you stand there for a minute and you look at one of them, you’ll look at one of them and you begin to wonder, How does this woman take a shit? How does she shit? And even more frightening, How does she wipe her ass? Can she even locate her asshole? She must require assistance. Are paramedics trained in this field? And standing right next to her. Of course. With a plate full of nachos and a mouthful of pie is her clueless fucking husband Joe Six Pack. With his monstrous swollen beer belly hanging dangerously out over his belt buckle. This guy ain’t seen his dick since the Nixon administration. And if you stand there and you look at the two of them. You begin to wonder to yourself, Do these people fuck? Is this man actually capable of fucking this woman? It doesn’t seem structurally possible that these two people could achieve penetration. Maybe they’re in that “Cirque du Soleil” or something. I’m telling you the people in this country – every one of them – is 50 pounds overweight. They are GARGANTUAN.

And in the summertime – God help us – in the summertime they will all want to wear short pants. Jesus Lord, Protector of All That is Good and Holy, deliver us from fat people in short pants. They all got short pants, big bellies, fat thighs and dumb kids. Short pants, big bellies, fat thighs and dumb kids. Every one of them has got two dumbass kids with them. And the whole family is wearing T-shirts, and every one of them has got the same T-shirt… “I’m with stupid.” Apparently in this country, the Stupids are an extended family.

And besides wearing them T-shirts. Everyone in the family has got on a backpack. They got a backpack strapped to their back so they can carry around lots of stupid shit. And the reason they got to carry their stupid shit strapped to their backs is because their hands must remain free at all times to hold food. And to get that food up to the mouth where it gets shoveled in with all the rest of the disgusting shit they ate that day. And… Another reason for the backpacks is these people are going to buy even more stupid shit. They ain’t got enough stupid shit at home. They just had a stupid shit sale, they’re gonna buy more.

They’re going to go out in the parking lot and stuff this stuff into the big, fat, ugly, oversized SUV that’s got plenty of room in it. Plenty of room in it for stupid shit and lots of room left over for these big, fat, ugly motherfuckers to get them home. Stopping on the way, of course, for jelly roll and fried dough.

These people, these people are efficient, professional, compulsive consumers. It’s their civic duty. Consumption. It’s the new national pastime. Fuck baseball. It’s consumption. The only true lasting American value that’s left. Buying things. Buying things. People spending money they don’t have on things they don’t need. MONEY THEY DON’T HAVE ON THINGS THEY DON’T NEED. So they can max out their credit cards and spend the rest of their lives paying 18 percent interest on something that cost 12.50. And they didn’t like it when they got it home anyway! Not too bright, folks. Not too fucking bright.

But if you talk to one of them about this. If you isolate one of them, you sit them down rationally, and you talk to them about the low IQ’s and the dumb behavior and the bad decisions. Right away they start talking about education. That’s the big answer to everything. Education. They say “We need more money for education. We need more books. More teachers. More classrooms. More schools. We need more testing for the kids”. You say to them, “Well, you know, we’ve tried all of that and the kids still can’t pass the tests”. They say, “Don’t you worry about that. We’re going to lower the passing grades”. And that’s what they do in a lot of these schools now. They lower the passing grades so more kids can pass. More kids pass, the school looks good, everybody’s happy, the IQ of the country slips another two or three points and pretty soon all you’ll need to get into college is a fucking pencil. Got a pencil? Get the fuck in there, it’s physics. Then everyone wonders why 17 other countries graduate more scientists than we do. “EDUCAATION”. Politicians know that word. They USE it on you. Politicians have traditionally hidden behind three things, the flag, the Bible and children. “No child left behind. No child left behind.” Oh, really? Well, it wasn’t long ago you were talking about giving kids a head start. Head start. Left behind. Someone is losing fucking ground here.

But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this. There’s a reason that education sucks. And it’s the same reason that it will never ever. Ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THIS COUNTRY DON’T WANT THAT. I’m talking about the real owners now. The real owners. The big, wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians… they’re irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON’T. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. YOU HAVE OWNERS. THEY OWN YOU. THEY OWN *EVERYTHING*! They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, and city halls. They got the judges in their back pocket. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear!

THEY’VE GOT YOU BY THE BALLS! They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed. Well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits. The end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.

And now, they’re coming for your SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back! So they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street! And you know something, they’ll get it… they’ll get it ALL from you sooner or later… because they own this fucking place! It’s a BIG CLUB…AND YOU AIN’T IN IT! You and I are not in the big club! By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head. And their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy… The table is tilted. Folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good. Honest. Hard- working people. White collar. Blue collar. It doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on.

Good, honest, hard-working people continue… these are people of modest means. Continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. THEY DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU! THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU. AT ALL. AT ALL. AT ALL! Yeah. You know. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day. Because the owners of this country know the truth… It’s called the American dream. Because you have to be asleep to believe it.

By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 21:15
ME TOO !!!! I will start fact checking you for the fun of it and post it, gives me something to do now. Do I consider Trump for the fault of my Brother In-Law death, I don't that was his own fault, the Drs. and Scientist have warned everyone. What disturbs me is what you say, Hopefully you don't receive social security and or medicare.... Whoa Dem Programs.....Are you willing to accept fact checks..... George Carlin (by the way he's been dead for a long time) did a skit called "Dumb Americans" try listening to it, and look at how it compares today. One of his Quotes ' Theirs a Big Club, and you're not in it". Yes stock markets are strong, But who does it benefit, definitely not the average person, (only the Big Club). To me the whole government is the back pocket of the wealthy/corporations, and they sell BS to folks like you thru Fox, Limbaugh, etc. What disturbs me, Is I want my country back, Period. Wake up. America.... You know back in the 50's the Soviet leader stated that they would never have to fire a shot to take America, Well Russia on our back door. and I worry for my family and country. You may buy this snow job but I don't. I did my time in our military,US NAVY and I'm no sucker/loser ( Fact Trump had 4 deferments and got out by claiming a heel spur. Give me a break, he's nothing but a coward.) and I am proud of my time in the service, which gives folks like you the right to hand out the BS. Again this government is not for the people, just a select few, right now all we can do is keep changing the underwear (Rep/Dems) that all that is left, cause the shit is really deep, and you are not helping period. DO I think Biden will do any better or worse, Don't know, But Trump lost me on the Debate, plain and simple....He Gotta Go...--------------------------------------- added after 20 minutes61. ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was killed.

How many terrorists have been killed in the US?
Over those five theaters, then, the total number of terrorists killed since fighting began ranges from 65,800 to 88,600. Of that number, Obama is responsible for between 30,000 and 33,000 -- including only the Islamic State, Pakistan, Africa and the Iraqi kills since 2009 as indexed by the AFP. and including Bin Laden.......
By phart at 06,Oct,20 22:10 other posts of phart 
NO way the debate was the kicker,that debate was a shit show for both of them.
If you didn't know who you supported before that,um
Oh while you are fact checking ,check out Joe biden
2015 I think,comment directly made to the troops because they didn't laugh at his idea of a joke.
“Clap for that, you stupid bastards. Come on, man. Man, you are a dull bunch. Must be slow here, man. I don’t know,” Biden said."
By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 22:33
Fact check and post it, and not from fox,Reuters, AP, etc

By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 23:49
Biden — then vice president — delivered in 2016. However, Biden’s comment was made in jest, just moments after he told the troops how much he appreciated their sacrifice. Even the right-wing website Breitbart reported that Biden had “jokingly” made this remark about the troops, writing: “Former Vice President Joe Biden jokingly referred to members of the U.S. military and its overseas coalition partners as ‘stupid bastards’ while making banter with troops during a 2016 trip to the United Arab Emirates.”

By #551147 at 06,Oct,20 22:24
@ Retro,

Forgive me!

I never wish to come across as a cold hearted bastard, I'm not and I should have started by acknowledging your losses. Truly sorry to hear about those and thank you very much for your service to our Country.

I TOO have served our Country (no thanks necessary) and I also believe "I'm NO SUCKER/LOSER". Now let's move on!

I'm going to take advantage of your biased, LOP SIDED, opinion just because you left that door WIDE open!

If YOU'RE going to trash talk about one, as if THAT'S the reason your going to vote for Ole Joe. Then perhaps you SHOULDN'T exclude him from YOUR criticism.

How many deferments did Joe Biden recieve?
What was his excuse for NOT serving?

5, that's FIVE and for ASTHMA

Here let me copy and paste YOUR words here ➡️ "Give me a break, he's nothing but a coward.) and I am proud of my time in the service, which gives folks like you the right to hand out the BS." Damn that sounds familiar... 🤪

Now with that out the way, what's this "Big club, and you're not in it." You speak of? Is that the club that took the Obama's from virtually rags to riches in 10 years time, serving government no less? The same Obama's that just paid cash for a 14 million dollar oceanside pad in Martha's Vineyard? Is it the same club that allowed Nancy pelosi, Joe Biden, two lifetime politicians to become multimillionaires? Working for the fucking government! Incredible! I could name SO many more filthy rich Dems/Libs than you can Repubs/Conservatives. Care to go down that road? Are they all part of that Club you speak of?

Donald had his money LONG before entering office. He's NOT gonna become filthy rich off a $500,000.00 salary that he DONATES, faithfully, every year thus far! What a self serving greedy bastard, right? The nerve of him to ACTUALLY WORK, for the American people, for FREE! What a slimeball! RIGHT?

After you probably, WILLFULLY, leaving Joe out of the deferment part of your statement. I have NO intention of taking anything else you spout off seriously. Nor should anyone else. 😛

🇺🇸 4 More Years - TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸
By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 22:36
Boy the BS is Getting deep here, Don't pass the propaganda, prove your facts, and be honest, cause I will.

By #377228 at 07,Oct,20 00:05

Both candidates played sports prior to medical exemptions

Reports have noted that both candidates played sports and appeared relatively healthy prior to their medical exemptions.

As the viral meme says, Biden played football and worked as a lifeguard in high school — details he included in his memoir, "Promises to Keep," per a report from the Associated Press.

Similarly, the New York Times observed that Trump had played football, tennis, and squash, and "seemed the picture of health" prior to his medical exemption.

Our rating: True

Based on our research, the claim that Biden received five draft deferments is TRUE. He was granted five deferments as a student before he received a medical exemption for asthma. Similarly, Trump was granted four deferments as a student before his exemption for bone spurs.

By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 21:31
44. More than 7 million jobs created since election.

News article with the headline “Trump’s First 3 Years Created 1.5 Million Fewer Jobs Than Obama’s Last 3,” adding “FACT: New figures from Trump’s own Department of Labor show that 6.6 million new jobs were created in the first 36 months of Trump’s tenure, compared with 8.1 million in the final 36 months of Obama’s ― a decline of 19% under Trump.”

By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 21:51
1. Trump signed 3 bills to benefit Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs, and the third gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana.

True, but tribal leaders credit bipartisan efforts in Congress for those bills. In 2019, Mr. Trump signed the Spokane Reservation Equitable Compensation Act for the loss of land that was flooded by the Grand Coulee Dam. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke visited the reservation and pledged to support the bill. But Carol Evans, chairwoman of the Spokane Tribal Business Council, said most of the credit for the law goes to two members of Congress from Washington, Senator Maria Cantwell, a Democrat, and Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a Republican. Mr. Trump also signed the Esther Martinez Native American Languages Programs Reauthorization Act, which revises an existing grant program. That bill was introduced by Senator Tom Udall, Democrat of New Mexico. Lastly, Mr. Trump signed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2019, which included a provision that gave long-overdue federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe. Tribal Chairman Gerald Gray credits the bipartisan efforts of Senators Jon Tester, a Democrat, and Steve Daines, a Republican, both of Montana, for tucking the tribal recognition provision into the military spending bill.

By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 21:59
2. Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch.

23. Because of a bill signed and championed by Trump, In 2020, most federal employees will see their pay increase by an average of 3.1% — the largest raise in more than 10 years.

House passes massive defense bill, authorizing a Space Force as the sixth Armed Service of the US
Published Wed, Dec 11 20198:00 PM EST
Key Points

The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Wednesday a $738 billion defense policy bill providing the first paid family leave for all federal workers and the creation of a Space Force.
The establishment of the U.S. Space Force as the sixth Armed Service of the United States, under the Air Force, fulfills one of Trump’s most high-profile requests.
Trump said he would sign the bill as soon as it passes.

This is fun, be back tomorrow.....

By #377228 at 07,Oct,20 00:14
Forgive the length of this, but I'm ABSOLUTELY SICK of the Democrats/Liberals bullshit lies.

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸


BIDEN 2020 .......

By #377228 at 07,Oct,20 00:37
4. Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising during the 2 years before he was elected.

President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that “our crime statistics are at a level that they haven’t been at,” calling the numbers “record setting.” The U.S. murder rate was lower in 2014, and the violent crime rate overall has been lower in several past years, with the lowest levels decades ago, according to FBI data.

The president’s claims continue a pattern of distorting the facts on crime.

As a candidate in 2016, Trump repeatedly made the bogus claim that the murder rate in the U.S. was the “highest it’s been in 45 years.” The rate in 2015 actually was lower than any other time between 1965 and 2009. He also hyped a year-over-year increase in some cities, claiming, “violent crime has increased in cities across America.” But crime had been declining over the long term, and experts caution against discerning a pattern from a few years of data.

Now, after more than three years in office, Trump has touted low crime statistics, falsely claiming a “record.”

In a June 8 roundtable meeting with law enforcement officers, Trump said of police, “And they’ve done jobs that are record setting. Record setting. So our crime statistics are at a level that they haven’t been at.” Later in the meeting, he reiterated the point: “As I said, their records are being broken, in terms of lack of crime,” saying that the police had “a tremendous 36 months, I think you can say, during the term.”

The same day, Trump tweeted: “This year has seen the lowest crime numbers in our Country’s recorded history.”

We asked the White House press office for support for the claims, but we haven’t received a response.

“It’s simply incorrect to say these are the lowest rates in our recorded history,” said Richard Rosenfeld, professor emeritus at the University of Missouri–St. Louis’ Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice, who researches U.S. crime trends.

The most recent FBI statistics on the rate and number of crimes are for 2018. They show that crime has declined since Trump became president, but the statistics aren’t “at a level that they haven’t been at.” And historically, these figures have been generally declining for years.

The FBI statistics show “crime generally has been going down [for] quite some time, and well before Trump took office,” Richard Berk, professor of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania, told us in an email. “If you believe the national data, there has been a pretty long term decline.”
Crime Trends

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics, which is based on voluntary reporting by local police departments, publishes yearly estimates on both violent and property crimes. The long-term trend shows the estimated violent crime rate — crimes, including murder, ****, robbery and aggravated assault, per 100,000 people — peaked in the early 1990s, at 758.2 in 1991, and the rate has been on a steady drop since.

It was less than half that, 361.6 in 2014. The rate went up a bit in 2015 and 2016 and was 368.9 in 2018, the latest figure available. But the violent crime rate was lower in 2014 and even lower in the 1960s than it has been in recent years.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports go all the way back to 1930. However, the data was reported in different ways: monthly at first, then quarterly and then semiannually through the late 1950s. To show the yearly figures, we used 1960 as our starting point for these graphs. But crime rates were even lower in prior years.

In the “Uniform Crime Reports for the United States” publication for 1960, the FBI notes that the decade started off with much higher levels of crime than 10 or 20 years earlier. “In 1960, the crime rate was 24 percent above the average for the past 5 years; 66 percent over 1950; and 96 percent higher than 1940.” That’s for all crimes, not only violent crime.

“We had crime rates during the 1950s … that are lower than they are right now,” Rosenfeld told us.

As for the murder rate, it has dropped during Trump’s time in office, from 5.4 per 100,000 people in 2016 to 5.0 in 2018. But that’s still higher than the 4.4 record low in 2014, at least dating back to 1960. In fact, the murder rate was lower than 5.0 every year from 2010 to 2015, and also from 1961 to 1964.

The murder rate peaked in 1980 at 10.2 and, like violent crime overall, has generally declined since the early 1990s

By bella! at 06,Oct,20 20:30 other posts of bella! 
Please accept my sincere condolences for the loss of your brother-in-law and your daughter's friend.

I do hope you're not attributing their death to President Trump.

By phart at 06,Oct,20 21:01 other posts of phart 
Sorry for the loss of your family as well as others have said.But do you REALLY think that Biden is going to do any better a job? He has already said at the debate he would shut down the US.YOu say the economy has tanked?Only sagged because of the virus.It is on it's way back.
By #377228 at 06,Oct,20 21:42
You cannot fix it, if folks are sick. When your car has a problem do you keep driving it, or do you get fixed so it doesn't leave you stranded. Trump now has Covid-19 himself, and he's has the best in medical the US has to offer, do you think you would get that kind of care, no way. And still there no way of telling whats going happen to him, This is no game, 209,000 Americans are DEAD !!!!!! and that since March.

By #188992 at 07,Oct,20 06:30
Did you WATCH the "Presidential" debate?

If that's a grown-up conversation, or the crap that emanates from this site is grown-up, we must have different definitions of the phrase "grown-up".

Please take this to another place. This is for "political, social and cultural stuff that originates outside of the US borders."

By #551147 at 06,Oct,20 18:13
I would applaud this topic, but the emoji I would use, I cannot, because the site is broken...

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