Started by #303133 at 20,Dec,14 23:54
 | Why not send the "message" BEFORE referring a member for deletion and give them a few days to respond?
That seems more than fair. Many of the people referred haven't been here long enough to access the Star Chamber page, and have no idea they've been referred until it is too late. As I have asked before: What's the damn hurry when it comes to member deletion? Surely you don't need the points that badly... |
Similar topics: 1.The STAR CHAMBER 2.Sneaker Photo Update 3.Why does he keep visiting my page? 4.The perverse joy of getting a member deleted 5.In Case You Want to See What's Happening in the Star Chamber:
Just an observation...
I am sure that you are aware that there is a group of members who spend the majority of their SYD time searching other members' profiles for reasons to have them deleted.
When a referring member finds a photo which THEY believe is a violation of site rules, they refer the member to the Star Chamber and often state: "I have sent them a message to delete the offending photo."
However...other members of that cabal vote for deletion as soon as they see a new referral. It takes 5 votes to get the member (NOT the picture!) deleted. More often than not, said deletion occurs within a few hours (sometimes much sooner!) of the original referral; long before the referred member has had a chance to see the "message" and respond to it.
Therefore, the "message" is a sham. It allows the point-grubbing member a chance to claim that they were being fair, but it is only a token gesture which means nothing.
How do we know if a member is "worthwhile" if they are deleted before we get a chance to know them?
You have mentioned that very few new members join the site.
If new people are deleted before they have a chance to "learn the ropes", doesn't that go counter to trying to improve membership numbers?
For example, a guy was referred for deletion yesterday because his pics had the logo for a site called showitoff.org on them...
How many people join the site does not have anything to do with 2-3 retards being banned every day.
Isn't showitoff just another side of THIS site?
You do see that other than site name the logo contains a user name in it, don't you? The photo you mention has a user name which is different from a username of the member who posted it.
That really hurt my head, "because he is a lot smarter as you are, for sure!"
I do not feel that JustWill has an issue articulating his thoughts. If I understood his concern correctly, he's speaking generically about the majority of the referrals made to the evaluation panel. So many of the referrals are made and 'resolved' within hours OR LESS, without the benefit of the member having logged on and actually receiving said message. Yesterday, the evaluation panel received a referral, the new member did see the message, corrected the situation yet there was still a member that voted for deletion. What kind of fairness are these types of situations?
If I'm not mistaken admin, you are speaking of two separate referrals. You mention the member that was not aware that ShowItOff.org is now the new name. Evidently, the former, longtime member can still type in ShowYourDick.org and find this site and was not aware of the name change. Another member blogged about it last night, wondering if members knew that SYD/SYC/ShowItOff were one and the same. Apparently there are some members that do not know.
As for the other referral that you're speaking of, yes, there was one member, a member that has been here for 3 plus years that has posted a picture of another member and yes, you can see the other member's nickname beneath. It's good to see that he has not been deleted without being given the opportunity to correct the problem.
Is it your thought to get these nasty ass bastards out of here quickly or fairly?
I am not sure what pics Admin is talking about. Yesterday, the referral in question was simply up for deletion because of a SITE logo. There was no mention of a user name in the referral.
Again, though, this has all gone off track from my original point:
Admin instructs members on the Star Chamber page to try and convince members to delete questionable photos BEFORE deleting the member by votes.
That is NOT how the process has been working.
Sending a Star Chamber message that the referred member never actually SEES...because they are deleted within minutes of the referral...is NOT an honest attempt to follow that instruction. It is a sham...
1. That abuse was dismissed. So no point of mentioning it other than pure manipulation attempt.
2. If I process abuses myself I delete everyone in a second, no warnings. So be grateful that panel at least sometimes gives a second chance.
I was using an example to illustrate how the "Star Chamber Message" is pointless, and how it is possible for a member to be deleted without cause.
At any rate, I give up.
It's ok to try to convince me logically but I will not tolerate any manipulations and lies.
And by the way, if I stop the panel and start deleting myself again I won't waste even a minute of my time. If a member is not paying and I have even a slightest doubt I delete it in a second. No warnings. Don't be delusional about that. Panel is actually giving more freedom for violations than I did.
This 'deletion' system is largely a joke, as far as I can see, because in quietly reading various posts and through private correspondence it is my impression that people create new profiles seemingly one after another. A 'deletion' to some of these people is a temporary setback. Indeed, the truly vindictive trolls likely create multiple profiles in advance of posting, so as to be prepared for any possible deletion. As for a person that makes an erroneous photo post because they don't understand the rules; well, that is on them...because everyone should know the details before posting.
Why would admin post in red, try to convince the member to delete the pics in question prior to deleting the member entirely, yet in this post he says he would delete members in a heartbeat ( his word was in a 'second' )? I have seen members being deleted for 'be*stiality'. Why? Because they have posted pictures of themselves with flies, spiders, etc on their penis. Is this something that I find sexually enjoyable to look at? No. Is it be*stiality? No!
Admin has allowed for too much grey area which allows some members to interject their personal beliefs both in reporting and voting which ultimately causes members to be deleted. And the ambiguity of "the rules" has caused separation between members
The report was made, Andthisisme sent a request for the member, franky, to delete another members picture. All it took was basically the same "let's get it done quickly" members to vote ABUSE and to delete and franky was POOF!, gone without knowing what happened or given the opportunity to correct the offense.
How being a member for 2 years is an excuse? If a member has been for 2 years here and still cannot figure out what he can and cannot do - it means he's fucking stupid and should not be here because he's dangerous to other people.