UK vs US Murder rates

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By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 22:09

This past weekend two mass shootings occurred. Home grown terrorists. Every one is in an uproar. There's mass condemnation of every bit of these heinous acts. Everyone except, you know who? That stupid president Trump and the REPUBLICANS. The president went golfing. He did not say a word until this morning. Over 48 hrs from the incidents. And what did he have to say? The Internet is to blame.
The REPUBLICANS were also inscompicuous. The whole country wants action on guns and they won't return from summer break. Well, it's typical. The Republicans have done nothing, nada, after all the mass shootings in the last 20 years. Let's VOTE THEM OUT IN 2020

By #551147 at 06,Aug,19 01:08

Yeah, good luck with that. In case you hadn't noticed, not much brain power running against him. A stage full of morons! 😄😆🤣😂

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 01:11

He's not the brightest bulb in the house either
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He can't even close an umbrella.

By #275407 at 07,Aug,19 00:41

I've been trying to get them to bring back Pontiac cars, those damn republicans wont

By #578610 at 07,Aug,19 00:46

77 Firebird Trans Am with the 6.6 liter V8 and Firebird emblem on hood?

By #275407 at 07,Aug,19 00:54

I like the 2002 ws6 firebird better, it's a whole lot faster

By #578610 at 07,Aug,19 01:07

To each his own. I have carnal knowledge of the '77,,

By #551147 at 07,Aug,19 08:41

Lol It is a sad demise to a great car manufacturer. Pontiac was known best as General Motors performance division. Instead they chose to keep Buick... 😮

By #275407 at 08,Aug,19 03:26

Buick cars are for old people, there cars are no thrill rides, cheapies

and plain.

By #551147 at 08,Aug,19 10:14

You got that right... Buick officially died when they killed the bad ass Reagal Grand National GNX.

By #578610 at 08,Aug,19 12:22

They are made to stop the gun violence in America.

By #61033 at 05,Aug,19 18:34

Come to good old SA where we have an average 52 murders a day, every day for 365 days a year... nearly 20,000 a year. Most of them will never lead to an arrest or conviction. I don't hear anyone trashing the SA government about these stats because this is Africa, no one gives a shit. What is interesting, even with our horrendous stats, is that we do not experience mass shootings like we often hear of over there.
SA=South Africa.

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 12:11

That is a lot,

By #61033 at 06,Aug,19 20:17

It is mind boggling... Consider also that we have about 1/6 of your population which puts an entirely different spin on it...

By bella! at 06,Aug,19 13:39 other posts of bella!

Oh, my heavens! I was not aware that the murder rate was so high.

My guess is that you hear about the United States only because it is an avenue to criticize and trash our government and the leadership.

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 15:22

To Bella (It's hard to tell you how wrong you are when you block me)

Oh, my heavens! I was not aware that the murder rate was so high.

My guess is that you hear about the United States only because it is an avenue to criticize and trash our government and the leadership.
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Your guess would be wrong. If you think that all these deaths by mass shootings is just an avenue to criticize the NUT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, then, lady, you have a very cold heart.

By #551147 at 06,Aug,19 21:58

Why don't you twist her words some more! GOTDAMN you libs just spin shit whatever fuckin way you like. Let me reiterate what she said in bold, maybe you didn't have your granny readers on...

"MY GUESS IS THAT, YOU HEAR ABOUT THE UNITED STATES ONLY, BECAUSE IT IS AN AVENUE TO CRITICIZE AND TRASH OUR GOVERNMENT AND LEADERSHIP"

Now! Where the fuck is the part Bella said "THESE MASS SHOOTINGS IS JUST AN AVENUE TO CRITICIZE"?

You people wonder why we call you retarded, stupid, morons, dumbasses, dunces, and many many other things.

THAT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHY!!

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 22:05

We are talking about mass shootings. She said, "IT IS AN AVENUE TO CRITICIZE". Without any other reference, the "IT" reference is accepted as being the subject of the conversation. I interpreted it like that. I don't lick her ass daily so it's hard to guess what she meant, like you. (see what I did there?

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Anyway, why are you responding for her. The lady doesn't have a mouth?
And, I think GOTDAMN is spelled GODDAMN. No matter, I've been told I'm an awful speller and use commas wrong,,,,,,
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BTW, Scorpio, you said.
You people wonder why we call you retarded, stupid, morons, dumbasses, dunces, and many many other things.

THAT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHY!!

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Who the fuck asked you? A third rate dick in a porno site giving personal opinions about people who wouldn't even give you the time of day in real life. When I want your opinion, I'll ask someone that is actually smart.

By #551147 at 06,Aug,19 22:13

Just because I'm definitely a sinner doesn't mean I should strive to break every rule... I don't use the lord's name in vain as if that wasn't an obvious choice to use and spell it the way I do.

As far as answering for her, perhaps I shouldn't have but you struck a nerve as you often do. I have ZERO idea of her beliefs, ideas, politically as she has NEVER from what I've seen hinted one way or the other. I have my suspicions as to what they are but that's all it would be is a guess.
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I TRULY loved you're last retort, it made me giggle. Good stuff there!

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 22:16

Who the fuck asked you? A third rate dick in a porno site giving personal opinions about people who wouldn't even give you the time of day in real life. When I want your opinion, I'll ask someone that is actually smart.

YES, IT'S A REPEAT POST. IT MERITS REPEATING.

By #551147 at 06,Aug,19 22:23

And again it made me laugh my ass off. Thanks for the laugh looks like you are good at something after all... 😄😆🤣😂

By phart at 06,Aug,19 18:28 other posts of phart

The democrats and liberal media have nothing to gain by talking about the murder rates in a country with higher rates than ours.They want to point somewhere else with less numbers to make us look bad.Goes back to what I said about surveys and polls.Where the info comes from has alot to do with the desired outcome.
No one here or anywhere I am on the net has mentioned the Utah family that was shot and killed in Mexico last month for not stopping at a supposed Police check point. Mom and Dad both shot in the head and the young k1d in the back seat badly wounded. Can you imagine the memorys that kid has now? it is said the crooks in Mexico wear the same clothes as cops to fool people into stopping at checkpoints to be robbed,beated,r$ped and so forth.

By Andthisisme at 06,Aug,19 22:16 other posts of Andthisisme

The reason for that is that the US is a first world democracy, supposed to be a beacon of freedom and opportunity and is not a a corrupt third world country where lawlessness and gangs runs rife.
We compare the US to other similar democracies. Would you prefer that we thought of the US as a lawless third world country?

By phart at 07,Aug,19 02:36 other posts of phart

No I would not.But I would prefer that the liberals took a realistic look at the world with their own numbers and realized,"wow" we could be as bad as them folks!" They could look at their own research and see that ,here in the US, we are better off than 3rd world countrys.It is the liberals that want the rest of the world to THINK we are a 3rd world country.

By #578610 at 04,Aug,19 12:48

I agree with you, Andthisisme. For two reasons. As he's shown before, he can enact AN EXECUTIVE ORDER banning automatic and semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines. He can also change his racist rhetoric and condemn hatred groups of all kinds.

By Andthisisme at 04,Aug,19 13:47 other posts of Andthisisme

There is no appetite by many in Congress for dealing with the gun issue in the US for the many reasons we all know about.
As you say the President has shown willingness to use Executive orders to get his way in other areas, so why not with Gun control. It beggars belief that so many americans seem totally comfortable with these frequent massacres shrugging their shoulders and saying it is nothing to do with gun control.

By #578610 at 04,Aug,19 13:55

I'm ashamed to admit it, but, you are so right. Yesterday's shooting diminished the outrage of the tragedy of the day before. We are getting used to the carnage. The other shooting in California a week ago had a little angel as a victim. So help me he was the spitting image of one of my grandchildren at that age. I broke down and cried. Children, for heaven's sake.

By #551147 at 04,Aug,19 19:18

Your exploitation of these tragedies to promote YOUR anti-gun agenda is sickening to say the least. NO law abiding citizen OR gun owner is happy about these incidents. An entire society should NOT be punished for the actions of a few. Only twisted pukes would think otherwise. You wouldn't be very happy if they wanted to outlaw mobile homes because not only are they tornado magnets but they breed trailer trash. Now would ya? Let's take away your home because of the behavior of others and then it's not so fuck8n funny anymore, huh? Where you gonna live then? Huh?

By Andthisisme at 04,Aug,19 19:54 other posts of Andthisisme

I am not trying to exploit anything. My initial point was that a politician had attempted to score points by criticising a politician in another country for failing to control violence when he has worse problems in his own backyard. My message to him would be 'Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house'.

By #551147 at 05,Aug,19 06:22

I actually agree 100% with that assessment.

By #578610 at 04,Aug,19 20:02

First
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this is my house. The trailer is a hunting lodge and weekend home
Second, I'm not exploiting anything. I wrote how it affected me. You can take it any way you like it. It won't change the fact.
Third, it's funny that to rationalize these acts of gun violence and as a way to argue for gun ownership, you attack the messenger. Why aren't you coming out against semi-automatic military style long weapons? Why aren't you asking for better controls to fire arms? Why won't you ask for waiting periods? Yes, I'm a twisted puke. That will really solve this crisis. There were 250 incidents like this one this year. Are you blind?
My weekend trailer is nothing to look at but it cost me $14000. I paid cash 8 yrs ago. It's on a main highway in Marion county (same as Ocala) in Central Florida. It's on a plot of land about the size of an acre with electricity, water well and it's not in a trailer park. We are across the road from the Ocala National Forest. We get mama bears walking by the back yard with the cubs in late February and we get deer year round. The nearest super market is 12 miles one way, same as the town. Disney World, Universal Studios and Seaworld are 45 min south of us. Flagler Beach is 1 hr east of us and Christal River is 1 hr west of us on the Gulf We like to go up on long weekends (3.5 Hr drive from Miami or Valdosta) Yes, it's trailer trash, you twisted puke

By #582785 at 05,Aug,19 00:01

Most be another Kool Ade kid .
Hasn't a clue what real numbers are.

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 00:22

As of Sunday, which was the 216th day of the year, there have been 251 mass shootings in the U.S., according to data from the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive, which tracks every mass shooting in the country. The Gun Violence Archive defines a mass shooting as any incident in which at least four people were shot, excluding the shooter.
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I didn't make it up, but, you nuclear scientists could have Googled it

By #582785 at 05,Aug,19 00:27

We don't need to google it, why? because it isn't true.
Now there may have been 251 people shot in the mass shootings.
In that case you don't read very well but there hasn't been 251 different shootings.
And get it right, I am a Rocket Scientist.

Have a wonderful day.

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 00:50

Hey, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I don't really care what you and Scorpio and all your like minded friends believe. The truth is out there. Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. All you will achieve is a head full of sand
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Besides, who gives a flying fuck? 25, 250, 2500, 25000, the killings are real and all you can do is argue. Dumbass

By Andthisisme at 05,Aug,19 19:17 other posts of Andthisisme

Your data is sound, the Gun lobby just denies what doesn’t suit them.

By Andthisisme at 05,Aug,19 19:15 other posts of Andthisisme

You are wrong look at the data there have been 248 mass shootings so far this year in which 979 people were shot and 241 died.

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Or is this just all fake news?

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 12:11

BIWHITEMAN

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then listen to it

By #582785 at 06,Aug,19 18:51

I know you can't understand this but maybe others will.
This was published yesterday, Aug. 5 2019
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This reports 17 Mass Shootings up till yesterday in the US.
Are you now going to call ABC News a lair?
In other words you know better than them.

Worry about how many babies your party has killed this year.
How many your vote helped to kill through abortion.
Leave "Mass Shootings" alone as you have PROVED you know nothing.

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 21:49

BIWHITEMAN, I understand your confusion so I'll try to answer you. Statistics are how you get them and how they are presented. If I say I came in second in a marathon it sounds great. If I say I came in dead last in a marathon it sounds awful. If I told you that in that marathon there were only two people running both statements I made are true at the same time.
Dig a little deeper. I went to this story.

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The tittle is "What Is A Mass Shooting". It tells you about the different ways mass shootings qualify in different surveys such as FBI, CONGRESS AND A non profit named Gun Violence Archive.
One of the more generous definitions, used by the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that has been tracking “gun-related violence” in the U.S. since 2013. The Gun Violence Archive is updated daily, and as a result is often cited when people are looking for “the latest” numbers on gun violence.
This one is used a lot. If you look in their web page

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you will find that they report 253 incidents that were verified.

I don't make these statistics. I certainly don't tell them how or when to count the incident.

Now, let's say I'm a dippy blonde that talks out of her ass. Let's say that there where seventeen (17) mass shootings this year, does that make it alright? Should there be a minimum number of shootings before we get upset? What do you recommend? Twenty? How many deaths and injured? 30, 40, 50, 100?

You keep attacking me on a personal basis. It's like I poked you with a stick. So far all you've done is spew a lot of hot air, but, you know what you've not have done? You have not expressed any sorrow for the victims and their families. Either you don't like me because of my stance on guns or the stupid, racist, president we currently have. You want to hate me? Fine, do so, but, why don't you at least try to feel concern for your fellow human beings?
Why not even, "let's sell guns only to verified citizens"? I had to prove who I was to get a drivers licence.

And last, as you've demonstrated before, you know nothing about abortion. You spew what you hear at the bar or at your dinner table. Facts elude you, so, here goes.
ROE V WADE made sure abortion was decriminalized. It happened while Richard Nixon, a Republican, was president
But, abortion was until 2004, a state issue. It was legal in some states and not in others. Even counties in same state could be different.
On October 21, 2003, the United States Senate passed the bill to legalize abortions by a vote of 64-34, with a number of Democrats joining in support. The bill was signed by President George W. Bush on November 5, 2003
Last I checked it was a Republican president with a Republican Congress.
We liberals believe a woman has a right to determine how her body is going to be used. Most of us (me for instance) believe that it's only ok to do it in the first trimester. We believe that a sentient human being is not yet evolved.

I think I rebutted all your concerns about me.
I don't have all the answers and my answers to the problem might be wrong, but, at least I have the balls (such as they are) to try. You, Sir, have not contributed anything positive to this discussion. How about growing a set and at least try to show some sorrow for the dead.

By #551147 at 05,Aug,19 07:36

I actually agree with a small portion of what you want. I'm cool with extensive background checks, waiting periods for certain weaponry. Oh wait, that's already implemented. DOH!

I had to wait 7 days to take ownership of my SR-15. What next would you like to see? Figure out how to identify the loonies and you will have a winner. I'm also fairly certain that most people in favor of gun ownership don't believe they should be sold to ANYONE with ZERO checks of any sort or just willy nilly. No one's asking for that. But you all keep screaming more laws and regulations what more do you want short of outright banning? BTW, In response to YOUR "Executive Decision" rant, NO President can make such an order to circumvent our constitution. Try again...

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 10:44

For one, I believe an SR-15 should not be sold. Why would you need such a weapon? Do you believe the Talibбn will overrun the country? Or do you need a pissing contest exhibit? My two sons and my daughter married into Cuban families. In total the family has a small armory of all types of handguns, rifles, shotguns and assault rifles. Most of the men own 3 or 4 firearms. My brothers have owned hunting rifles all their lives and guns for protection. I know guns. I also know the 2 main reasons for gun ownership. Hunting and showing off to your buds.
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A president can give an executive order to ban assault rifles. We had such a law. The Supreme Court said that the second amendment does not prohibit firearm control laws. The president can't ban arms, just regulate it. I tried again.

By #551147 at 05,Aug,19 12:01

The reason why I wanted such a weapon is completely irrelevant. Whether it's an art piece I hang over the mantle, a weapon I just enjoy shooting and owning, or hell, if I want just to "show off to my bud's", or preparation for the Zombie Apocalypse. I worked for and paid MY money to own it. I NOR it is harming a soul... Now, what exactly gives you and those like you the right OR authority to tell me what I can and can't have? I guess you would like to be told what kinda car you can or can't have or where you can or can't live? Why stop there, just start telling me what I should do with MY money. OH! That's right! Libs DO in fact wanna tell people what they can and can't do with their money. My bad, wasn't thinking there. Now, what's the difference in those examples?

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 12:14

Heaven forbid I'd get the right to tell you what to own or where to use your money, BUT, Congress can. Tomorrow some low life burgles your home and takes your SR-15. He sells it or uses it to wipe out half of Walmart. You didn't do anything illegal and, I'm betting the gun is blameless too. As far as your money is concerned, if you work for an employer, he is required to withhold about 14% of your salary for income taxes and Social Security. You pay taxes on every gallon of gas. AS far as what I can drive, the local cops won't let me drive Charlie's Mudding Truck on the streets. Believe me, with the traffic in Miami, I need it
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And liberals like taxes to pay for replacement of old, dilapidated bridges as they tend to fall at the worst time. Concervatives like to cut taxes to large corporations while the deficit grows to all time high and not reinvest in jobs

By #275407 at 06,Aug,19 01:19

What about the mass shootings and killing of thousands of lives in middle eastern country's, I don't hear anything about stopping them. I hate trump, but I don't blame him for the actions of sick weak minded people who snap and kill others.
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I've owned guns since I was twelve years old. I'm not going out shooting people because I might hate them, there's sick people all over this earth, by banning certain weapons isn't going to stop killing, you can still kill with a hand full of hand guns, what's next, ban them too, oh I have 200 knives, maybe we should ban them too. I guess baseball bats are next, as twowarmths knows, we've had killings of homeless people in Miami killed from baseball bats. What's next

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 12:01

You can not kill 9 running people in less than 60 seconds with regular guns. At least most shooters can't. And nowhere near that amount with knifes if the victim is running away. I hope you don't ever want to be a mass shooter. You want a Boy Scout badge for that? Middle eastern countries hove their own problems. We are talking about the USA. You know, The country that has so many firearms that we could arm half the world?

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Well said and no reason to say much more other than if you are against the regulation of guns and the outlawying of military style long guns, then, what is your solution? You tell us what can NOT be done. Why not tell us what CAN be done.

By Andthisisme at 06,Aug,19 12:43 other posts of Andthisisme

Your first point is something that I keep trying to get the pro gun lobby to understand, but there appears to be a mental block. OK, with an explosion you could kill more people that is true but in no other way than with a gun.
I was staggered that the Police were on the scene within q1 minute and already 9 people were dead.

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 13:31

Agreed. What's more, a bomb is a stationary device. It may kill many or none at all. Once it goes of its a pile of ruble
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TO COUNTRYCOUPLE54 (don't be chickenshit, I unblocked you sometime ago) You said,

Well said Cody. But you're waisting your breath with the gun control fanatics. Car accidents, cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, fast-food, etc... Are killing people everyday. And are all legal. It's a part of life. So are guns, knives, bombs, and deranged lunatics. Gun control will take the rights of good honost law abiding citizens. 99% of guns used in a crime is unregistered. What I haven't heard anyone say yet, what's their plan to get the guns back from the criminals. It always has been and always will be "population control". We can't feed and house all the people in the world now. Could you imagine if everyone lived to be 90. Just a thought.

Car accidents are illegal, But I get your point, The difference is that Car accidents, cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, fast-food, etc are individual choices. If you want to commit slow suicide, that is your right and one right I support. I drink, I smoke funny cigs, I have unprotected sex. Gun control, like having auto tags, drivers licences, getting a commercial fishing boat captain's licence or even a taxi licence shouldn't be a detriment to you owning a firearm. Last night (We are spending the last 2 weeks of vacation in the cabin) a bear got into our trash shed (we have to collect it and drive it to the dump). This morning, Charlie got info if a side by side shotgun will stop a bear, The answer and I quote, "a side by side shotgun will stop any animal on earth. This tells me that an SR-15 or an AK-47 or similar is not needed. Why can't we ban such weapons? As far as population control, in the seventies there was a big movement to just replace yourselves in a marriage. Two children to a family. It did not catch on, especially in other areas of the world. Places were the family needs more than the parents to work to survive. Infant and young people mortality rates is very high. You bring up good points but, we are talking about firearms. This country is overrun with guns. And while car accidents involve the NUT BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL and as a result we won't be able to fix that, Some deaths by gun can be fixed B4 they happen. What's so bad about that?

By #460385 at 06,Aug,19 14:20

Well said Cody. But you're waisting your breath with the gun control fanatics. Car accidents, cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, fast-food, etc... Are killing people everyday. And are all legal. It's a part of life. So are guns, knives, bombs, and deranged lunatics. Gun control will take the rights of good honost law abiding citizens. 99% of guns used in a crime is unregistered. What I haven't heard anyone say yet, what's their plan to get the guns back from the criminals. It always has been and always will be "population control". We can't feed and house all the people in the world now. Could you imagine if everyone lived to be 90. Just a thought.

By phart at 06,Aug,19 18:31 other posts of phart

The American people are spoiled. Other countrys deal with more issues than we have and they go right along with their daily routines. Violence is common place in alot of countrys like Mexico. The citizens just deal with it.

By #578610 at 06,Aug,19 16:42

Boludos,boludos,boludos. Jugando a cowboy y indios. Querer ser como Alan Ladd en la pelнcula Shane. Tener un revolver listo atado a la pierna. Nenes de diez aсos. El mundo se caga de risa sabiendo que chiquilines estos gringos son.

By #582785 at 04,Aug,19 23:48

I want to know where you came up with the figure of 251 mass shootings in the US so far.
I am quit sure where is another Liberal Democrat LIE in that.
Please people CHECK facts.

By #551147 at 04,Aug,19 23:52

I said that very thing over here ➡️ /forum/thread.php?id=27800#126 That number is SERIOUSLY inflated. That's the lib way, though... Oh and calling everyone a "RACIST".

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By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 12:22

BIWHITEMAN
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This is a list of 2019 shootings. Again, I do research. How about you do research too before you open your PIE HOLE?

By #582785 at 05,Aug,19 17:52

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In 2019 alone, at least 62 people have been killed in mass shootings.

And again Research does a person good.
YOUR WRONG AGAIN.

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 18:31

Yes, I'm wrong again. Obviously no one got hurt. These people were just letting off steam. I hope you get a first hand experience the next time one of these guys wants to have fun. You can take out your piece and join him

By #578610 at 05,Aug,19 17:21

Ok, if everyone believes control of guns is wrong, if everyone believes that the only way to safety is for people to carry, then, ok. arm everyone. Stop wasting money and ban the FBI and the ATF from investigating these crimes. Do like Florida. Enact a national Stand Your Ground law. Don't prosecute anyone who gets in a panic and kills someone because he/she got scared. Stop licensing car drivers, hunters, pilots, or doctors. I'm game.
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By phart at 04,Aug,19 12:32 other posts of phart

I think there has already been plenty of criticism to go around for Trump.He is blamed for everything from the mass shootings to the melting of the polar ice caps.Although he has only been in office a little over 2 years.

His point is that no one questions the failures of others to deal with their own problems as they talk shit about him.It is called having a double standard by most folks.Expect 1 person to do 1 thing as they forget the next guys actions.

By Andthisisme at 04,Aug,19 13:43 other posts of Andthisisme

I agree with you that Rump has suffered way more criticism than perhaps any predecessor in their first few years in office but a lot of that is a reaction to his own actions. HE was the one who pointed the finger at the Mayor of London's alleged failings so surely he can't complain if people then say 'Hey, look at your failings'.

By phart at 04,Aug,19 13:45 other posts of phart

Yea,he does point and tweet a bit more than he should.Gets alot of shit slung at him for it to.BUT at least people are TALKING about the issues. Gun seizures and denial may work to prevent gun related killings in London but apparently they are going to have to out law steaks as the knives are deadly to!

By Andthisisme at 04,Aug,19 13:52 other posts of Andthisisme

A knife will kill 1 or maybe 2 people at a time automatic assault weapons as has been shown so often in the US kill far more people in a disturbingly short space of time. THAT is why some people see gun control as important, it is the ability to slaughter multiple people in just a few seconds that is the horror.
You may not be aware that there are regulations relating to the sale of knives in the UK, but just as some homes in the US are packed with guns every home in the UK will have kitchen knives.

By #551147 at 04,Aug,19 19:04

Where does it stop, though? Some have used automobiles to mow down large crowds of people killing and maiming many. Should automobiles then be banned? How about the psychopaths that refer to the internet on how to build explosives, fill a backpack full and blow the living shit out of innocent people? Outlaw backpacks, briefcases, hell, shoes, boxes? There are going to be lunatics regardless, and they WILL find a way to cause mass destruction one way or the other. People love to exploit these tragedies for their agendas. That in itself is sad behavior. So, what's the number of lunatics causing all these deaths? 10, 20, 30? What's the number? They like to throw the big numbers around like 200, 300, 400 deaths giving some false impressions. So, an entire society of people, law abiding, God fearing people (like it or not), should be punished by taking away their means of protection, for the few bad apples? Does that REALLY make sense to you? I mean hell, obesity in our country is rampant too, shall twinkies, McDonald's, candy bars, or any other fattening shit be outlawed simply because there are those that don't eat the shit in moderation? The tragedies are just that, NO gun owners are happy about them, I assure you. But what's the answer, short of punishing an entire society for the few? There's not one thing in this world that you enjoy or like possessing that if they wanted to take it away from you because of what someone else does that you would say this is bullshit to the 1st degree? Really? Not one single possession? Think about it...

By Andthisisme at 04,Aug,19 20:12 other posts of Andthisisme

What I find the most disappointing and disheartening aspect of of this issue is that so many Americans are prepared to offer condolences and platitudes after each and every massacre but then shrug their shoulders and say guns are not the problem.
If these massacres were carried out using poison gas or explosives there would be a far different response and action would be taken.
Why do you think that innocent god fearing people are being punished? Surely taking efforts to prevent so many mass shootings every year is what good, innocent and God fearing citizens should be trying to do.
I wonder if the family members of the victims of these tragedies hold your view? Or how you would feel if you lost a loved one in such a tragedy?

By phart at 04,Aug,19 20:20 other posts of phart

Well, Jet liners were not banned after 9-11 either.
Andthis,I don't know how much experiance you have with metal or tools but,knives,guns,swords,you name it,can be made by hand in a persons work shop with basic tools.So can alot of poison gas.
We can't ban everything.Nor can we totally ignore people dieing. But anti gunners are just going at the problem from the wrong direction.The person taking a life does not value life,therefore will take 1 or many with whatever means are avaliable to them.Edit,I think alot of the current issue is copycats."Look at him! He got on the news!".
Quit giving these killings alot of press and it would reduce the copycating.
1 death is to many,much less a 100.I get so sick of people saying only 1 or 3 people die from a knife like that is a winning situation.3 people died,there is reason for concern.
100 people died,there is a reason to be concerned.What do the deaths have in common, a tool,a person needing to be in jail or a looney bin BEFORE commiting a crime.

By #582785 at 04,Aug,19 23:58

Thank You.

By #551147 at 05,Aug,19 06:54

I can answer this simply... As I love the lil beings that I helped to create more than life itself (yes, I have always loved them that deeply. All 7). I would be devastated at the demise of any of them. But it's stupid to blame the object that ended their existence. You think I'd wanna get a hold of the gun and beat the shit out of it for my anguish? The one that did me wrong was the piece of shit that pulled the trigger. God help him if he/her/they live long enough for me to have a chance to get my hands on them. People would be able to witness a real lunatic in action. That being said, I do my best to teach my kids about being aware of their surroundings and those around them. I also have taught 5 of the 7 the importance of being armed at all times, ESPECIALLY in this fucked up day and age. Yes, my 5 eldest children have concealed carry permits and have been taught gun safety and when and how to use them proficiently. It's not a 100% guarantee that that would help their survival, but it damn sure gives them a higher chance. The deaths of these random shooting are incredibly sad. But disarming citizens is NOT the answer. There are several countries with disarmed citizens and yet they still suffer violent acts. What's the answer? I have none, just as neither do any of you? How do you find the nutjobs in any given society? Figure that out and you will have the answer to how to stop the senseless killings. I stand firm that disarming is not the answer, and more regulations don't do shit either. Other than make it more difficult for law abiding citizens.

By #582785 at 04,Aug,19 23:55

No guns then they use bombs.
Guns are NOT the problem, people are.
Get real.
Like the school bay says "My pencil is what makes my bad grades"

By admin at 05,Aug,19 00:46 other posts of admin

Tsanaev brothers did not use guns, they used a simple bomb made out of materials easily obtainable from convenience stores. They killed 3 and injured literally hundreds of people, 16 of those lost limbs. Bombs of such scheme actually intended to do not kill a lot, but to leave a lot of seriously injured, with lifetime disabilities which is sometimes worse than death.

Anyone can build a bomb like that at home. In fact, their was rather clumsy. With a little more dedication you can make a much more deadly bomb. Lunatics will still be able to kill a lot of people without access to guns. So they will have to ban or control a lot of chemicals which will make harder lives of everyone.

From what I can see in other countries, they don't stop at guns, they keep banning things and stripping people of their freedoms until you wonder - is it worth it at all? Prisons are the most secure places in the sense, people are not allowed to have not only knives, but any metal things there, but they still manage to kill each other. Do you want to live your entire life in prison, stripped of all your freedoms for security that is not that secure after all?

By #551147 at 05,Aug,19 07:01

Well said!

I can never get to that part of the argument. If they ban assault rifles and semi automatic weapons. Then they start coming for more and more. Revolvers, single shots, some parts of our country already zapped straws, guess paper wads will be next... 😏

By Andthisisme at 05,Aug,19 13:10 other posts of Andthisisme

In 2017 73% of all murders in the US were by firearm, that is 11,004 murders. Of course there is no definitive causal link.
Maybe American's are just more violent in general. The murder rate for the US in 2017 was 5.5 per 100,000, for Canada it was 1.8 per 100 000 and for Western Europe (discounting ex soviet satellites) it is between 0.5 and 2 per 100,000.

I recently saw a documentary where a perfectly sane man fro a southern state explained that should the federal government ever attempt serious gun control there would be a civil war. Reading and listening to comments by defenders of the right to bear arms I really believe that he could be right.
I don't know where admin was born or brought up but a number of his comments over the past few years link freedom to bear arms with freedom in general. Those two things do not go together. There are many free, democratic countries where ownership of guns is very tightly controlled.

In the end in a democratic country with free and fair elections we get the governments that we the voters deserve.

A vocal and powerful portion of the US electorate want the freedom to hold assault rifles and to keep huge arsenals of weapons, so that is what the US has. That is not going to change anytime soon. Sadly.

By phart at 05,Aug,19 15:48 other posts of phart

I honestly do not feel secure enough here at home or out in public to give up my rights to defend myself. If you read the law,to the letter,Police are not actually under any LEGAL obligation to protect you.They just do it as a job,just as you would not have a legal obligation to make a hamburger for someone.But yet liberals feel like we should give up guns and let the police protect us.For me,here at home,9-11 response is about 12 to 15 minutes. ALOT can happen in 15 SECONDS, just think what can happen in 15 minutes.
Until you can come up with a solution to a issue like that for example,it will be hard to get most sane people to give up their protection.

By wycowboy at 04,Aug,19 15:29 other posts of wycowboy

A firearm is not to blame for ANY mass shooting. The deranged person is. I live in northern Wyoming. In Wyoming we do not need a permit to carry a concealed weapon and, as a result, many of us carry openly. I do at times although most of the time it is concealed. We also have one of the highest per person firearm ownership totals in the US here. We do not have mass shootings in Wyoming and our violent crime rate is way lower, per capita, than most other places in the US. I believe that is because the people who would do violent crime here know that the chances of the victim being armed are way higher than not. Sure, taking away guns will decrease mass shootings. The deranged people who do them will just turn to bombs or something else so why don't we treat the deranged instead of following along with the what teh media and politicians want like sheep?

By #578610 at 04,Aug,19 23:24

Well? Why don't we? I live in Miami, FL and this city is almost all Cuban. Every woman carries a small handgun in her bag. All the men carry or own a handgun. Domestic violence always involve a gun. Cuckold husbands kill the wife and lover all the time. Everyone is armed and it doesn't prevent the gun violence. On the contrary. There are countless cases were a robbery is taking place and everyone takes their guns out and begin shooting. Many people got hurt. Don't take my word for it. There's a member, CountryCouple54, who lives in the next county and works in Hialeah. Ask him

By #582785 at 04,Aug,19 23:50

wycowboy

By #578610 at 04,Aug,19 14:52

Why can't people like Phart actually use their brains to reason out what's been happening in the last 3 yrs. I don't blame Trump for guns or mass murderers, but, he's the president with the power to make a difference. Why doesn't he take the initiative. And comparing knives to AK47's is as ridiculous as anything I've ever read

UK vs US Murder rates

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