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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 18:50  other posts of licksipsuckit
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?



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By Lvphose at 14,Mar,21 04:01 other posts of Lvphose 
When my local weather people can’t say where the line of delineation between rain & snow 48 hrs out no way in hell anybody can tell me they know centuries from now what the conditions will be. Secondly they say the science is settled I call BS! Science is never settled!
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 15,Apr,21 14:37 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
The line between rain and snow is too fluid to make definite predictions but, they can tell you rain and snow is coming.

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 14:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So, what if you're wrong?

If you think the earth is flat, most people think you are crazy, but it doesn't do much harm.
If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution is bullshit, that mostly isn't that harmful either.

However, if you're wrong and all the scientists are right about climate change, that means you're not part of the progress humanity needs to prevent the biggest crisis in the history of humanity, mass extinction, probably the end of humanity and maybe even the end of all life on earth. What is your reason for taking that chance?
By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 05:57 other posts of Lvphose 
All the scientist do not come to the same conclusion! Look to Covid for the most recent issue that scientist do not all come to the same conclusion! Differences in treatments, differences in public policy, to lockdown or not to lock down!
It’s funny nobody cares about the alligator crisis!

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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 10:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
With regards to Covid, all scientists do come to the same conclusion; that it exists (just like climate change). There might be some difference in the details, but the research on Covid has just started. The science on climate change has been going on for the last 60 years at least.

Lockdown or not is not a scientific issue it's a political one. All virologists agree that human contact increases the risk of spreading the virus, just as all climate scientists agree that the average global temperature rises, when the CO2 concentration rises, from deforestation and the use of fossil fuels.

Nobody cares about the alligator crisis, because obviously the data on which it's based is incorrect. It states that last year Americans had their feet bitten by alligators 3,618,524 times. And then they don't even know if the number refers to the number of feet or people. Very funny, but you are a blithering idiot if you think that is science.


By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 06:12 other posts of Lvphose 
The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions, that is all with no Paris (shakedown agreement). Why are some nations allowed to go full throttle on emissions but others are targeted for reduction! Simple, follow the money! When governments do not produce anything that has consumer value to market, I-phone, Amazon etc etc they need to do an income grab! Obama care grabbed a particular percentage of the citizenry’s income, climate change is another heavily promoted from “centralized government “ can you say politburo! America has been moving the ball without the “control” sought by the pols & mantras for the issue.

A religion does not require a deity to be a religion! Climate change is a religion! What happens if you go against the climate change religion? Well they seek to excommunicate you! Just as the deity religions do!

I think everyone should listen to “another crisis” it is only approx. 3 min 30 sec.

Another crisis by Thomas Sowell
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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 10:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions"
Really? Well, that would shut me up, if it was true.
Do you have some reliable data on that?
By phart at 16,Apr,21 11:26 other posts of phart 
Reducing emissions to a point of being safe for the environment would put the humans back into the stone age.
Manufactoring,and creating alternative energy has side effects just as burning gasoline.
Check the dirt around the galanized racks that solar panels are mounted on in the solar farms popping up everywhere.There is 1 just accross the river from me,100 acres. the soil is contaminated and can not grow food for over 25 years after the racks are removed.Also,ground water for our wells is affected.
You are trading 1 problem for 2 others.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Apr,21 13:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You think the pollution from galvanized solar penal racks (which is just a layer of zinc) compares only in the slightest with the pollution from oil and coal extraction?

As we speak, beaches are covered in oil so bad that it takes years to recover. Fracking has already poisoned drinking water in North Dakota. Enormous areas of land are destroyed in Canada for tar sands. The mining of Lignite (brown coal) in Germany has has left deep scars on the landscape on an area of over 600 km2.

And you are worried about galvanized solar penal racks?
It is not even necessary to use zinc for that. There are biodegradable coatings or you can use aluminum frames. You don't even need frames, if you put solar panels on rooftops.

My god, what a ridiculous argument against renewable energy.
By phart at 18,Apr,21 14:55 other posts of phart 
How ridicules' to deny the issue.
I wasn't using that 1 argument to shut down the whole solar show,just demonstrating the problems being created.








By stiffone4u at 21,Jan,21 21:07 other posts of stiffone4u 
I was going to write about why it's true and very real, but I find that certain people lately believe that Fox news is more reliable than and amount of proof or science and will never believe facts. A million scientists can say it's a fact but one "news" reporter that pulls some guy with a science degree from Joe Bob school of rock huntin and they believe him.

Must be from wind mills.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 16:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Absolutely, but people believe this too:

By stiffone4u at 15,Apr,21 16:34 other posts of stiffone4u 
Unfortunately yes!


By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 06:21 other posts of Lvphose 
A plethora of scientist weighing in for climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject! You have posted a logic fallacy one of 7 major fallacies used in logical conclusions. The easiest to commit is the fallacy making ad. Hominem attacks! You can attack ones schooling, tv they watch all day long, but ad. Hominem attacks do not disprove a position and they sure don’t boost the position taken in the ad. Hominem attack!

Another crisis-it is brief and enlightening
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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 09:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A plethora of scientist weighing in for climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject!"
Sure, even economists have given their opinion on whether the science of climate change is correct, while they have no scientific expertise on the subject. However, most of the people arguing against the science of climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject, while the science is supported by all scientists that do have expertise on the subject.
Even though it takes complete ignorance about science to deny the science of climate change (or ulterior motives), it doesn't take a whole lot of scientific knowledge to recognize that the science is correct.

Your video does not disprove the science of climate change. This is ironically just one of these ad hominem attacks you were talking about.




By tecsan at 16,Apr,21 03:23 other posts of tecsan 
It is happening...But not on the scale the left wants us to believe in...


By Zorilla at 15,Apr,21 15:43 other posts of Zorilla 
Hogwash


By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 14:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who has seen 'A Life On Our Planet' by David Attenborough?
We've just watched it on Netflix. It's beautiful, then it becomes depressing for a while,
but it ends with a very hopeful message. I can recommend it to anyone.


By phart at 06,Mar,21 09:25 other posts of phart 
Ok, here is something to ponder.
If the earth has took 1 billon years to change the location of the land mass's,how can humans have changed the air in less than 100?
Also,the ocean is 1.5 inches wider each year.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Mar,21 04:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Humanity can destroy all life on earth in minutes. Just detonate all nukes.
By phart at 10,Mar,21 08:21 other posts of phart 
you are sadly very correct. With more and more folks getting access to nukes, the end could be closer than we would like
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Mar,21 11:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Also the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was at maximum about 50 miles in diameter. It triggered a mass extinction, along with the end of almost three-quarters of the plant and animal species then living on Earth.
That was actually a climate change crisis from a singular event in one part of the world. However, humanity has destroyed 60% of the forests all over the world. Simultaneously we are burning a huge part of the oil that was created over hundreds of millions of years, in 100 years.
That's comparable to continues wildfires, 20 times bigger than all wildfires in the world combined, including the one that covered California in darkness in 2020.

And you can't understand how such a big impact on the world can upset the delicate balance of the climate?



By tecsan at 13,Mar,21 23:14 other posts of tecsan 
That I agree with...Just a political statement trying to gain popularity is basically it...



By #637531 at 07,Mar,21 01:14
Global warming is very real but sadly there's nothing we can do about it. With the increase of new technology and more industrialization, the world will go to shit within say 250 years. And that's be extremely generous. Now obviously that doesn't mean we should just use that as an opportunity to be a slob and use up as much gas and oil and shit as we want, in fact we should rather try and do something to slow the rate. could you imagine if every home in the entire world was run on solar power. That would be incredible in terms of decreasing the rate of climate change. Sadly however, it's just not realistically possible to do anything about climate change on a grand scale. But then again, every little bit helps.
By licksipsuckit at 09,Mar,21 05:30 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah, I see what youre saying all the time, we're made to be consumers and we cant change that, just living a life as clean as we can and teaching our kids to do the same is all we can do on a small scale, but while ever shares and shareholders are more important than existence, nothing will change. Even with the last year with people staying closer to home and not using planes. it doesn't seem to make anyone want to stay put any longer.. as soon as borders are opened again and air travel starts again, the air will quality will go back to what it was pre pandemic. Im pretty sure this 'pandamic' didn't reduce world population by large percentages, if at all... *lix*



By TWOWARMTTS3 at 26,Feb,21 09:55 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
I believe strongly in Global Warming. Thousands, perhaps millions of people are trying to change it. In the end it will be like trying to hold back the ocean tides. Eventually Disney World will be a beach attraction. My opinion.
By phart at 26,Feb,21 14:30 other posts of phart 
Um,more coastal property? should I be buying some land down there? My mom supposedly had bought a half acre down there but I never found any paper work on it to verify.Knowing my luck as I told her ,it was probably a sink hole with a Yugo in the bottom.



By phart at 25,Feb,21 09:47 other posts of phart 
Think about this for a minute.
The Liberals and democrats and greenies think that handing the governments more money in carbon tax is going to change the temperture of the earth.
Who really is going to make out like a bandit in this equation?


By fatcock66 at 22,Jan,21 11:35 other posts of fatcock66 
didn't read whole thread... but if you can't see the evidence right in front of you
By phart at 03,Feb,21 22:16 other posts of phart 
As you typed that,1000's of people are under 2 feet of snow.
By licksipsuckit at 04,Feb,21 05:48 other posts of licksipsuckit 
I don't know what the weather patterns in other parts of the world are like, but I find most of the bushfires here in Australia, and not sure what theyre like elsewhere, but here, with all the goodie two shoes and greenies whining about not setting the bush on fire and back burning, that is what I feel has increased the intensities of these fires, and with over population and people building in ridiculous places, what else do they expect?
Most councils here wont back burn or let anyone clean 'fuel' from around their house for fear of the 'greenies' all getting bent out of shape.. you cant even pick up the wood on the side of the road and take home and burn??? now we suffer with these intense infernos, that kill everything in their path, as the wild life doesn't have time to get out of the way, and its decimated spots to the point of the trees just aren't growing back, because everything has been destroyed. I blame most of what we are 'suffering' and I mean all the soft arses that have to sit in an air conditioned office for fear of 'god help them', working up a sweat... I even see people who refuse to stop their car and turn off the air con, because theyre too 'delicate' to embrace a few degrees of discomfort ??? schools now are softening up the kids and providing them all with 'cooled' rooms instead of letting them learn that life isn't always 'perfect'... I get sickened nearly every day by being built out and over populated, we need to stop having so many kids and stop using limited resources, like we don't care about what comes next.. and who cares if we can feed the masses in 30 plus years??? we're already running out of room and putting native animals and plant species in danger... so what happens when we're all so jammed in like sardines and starving, or suffering from lack of toilet paper in this over arse wiped society?? people have no conscience of where food comes from, or how ethical animal welfare is around the raring and killing of your family meal and whether or not your waste is being recycled or tipped properly? no one ever really cares about what theyre lifestyles impacts on things around them.. I think every generation leaves it up the next to fix and no one wants to do what is needed to stop capitalism and reduce our every expending take over of the world.. *Lix*

By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Feb,21 10:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your logic: Snow still exists, so climate change doesn't


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By phart at 04,Feb,21 20:48 other posts of phart 
Just read the name out loud of what you are talking about.Climate change.
The climate has been changing since the Earth formed.And it will continue.Because like any attempt at a perpetual motion machine will show you,nothing goes on forever.The planets orbit the sun,they are and will change their orbits.The sun is changing,thus affecting our climate.Did we create the sunspots?
Think a bit,just think. NOTHING stays the same.Nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 03:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are indeed natural processes that change the climate on the long term and there are natural disasters that change the climate on the short term.
Oil reserves that have been forming over millions of years being burned in a hundred years and about 46% world deforestation is a man made disaster that changes the climate much more.
Humanity emits about 40 billion tons of CO2 per year (not including wildfires). That is 4 times more than the world record of wildfires in 1997. All those wild fires in California last year, produced only 0.5 billion tons, of the total 7.5 billion tons of CO2 (from all wildfires in the world). only registered users can see external links

That means the use of fossil fuels produces 80 times more CO2 per year then the wildfires in California did. And you keep thinking that doesn't have an effect on the climate?

The effects of humanity on the climate are absolutely clear:





You once said before that you don't listen to politicians, but only trust you own experiences. That can't be the reason, because you were not alive 'since the Earth formed'. Your argumentation is fact free, right wing propaganda from professional climate change deniers.
Still, you probably don't make money from denying climate change yourself, so you must have another reason for your self-denial. Is it fear or is it just effective indoctrination from right wing media?
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 05,Feb,21 09:38 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
What's more, phart, no one denies the world changes but, as Ananas says, the population of the world is accelerating the warming effect that seems to be coming down the pike. So, I'll allude to his reasoning. phart why are so quick to discard conclusions made by the most brilliant of our scientists in the world?
By phart at 05,Feb,21 10:15 other posts of phart 
Brilliance is in the eye of the blinded by the light beholder.
I see the weaponization of the climate change hoax to further control the population.To put folks back on bicycles instead of enjoying what modern tech has to offer.I see it affecting peoples choices in what they can drive,how far they can travel in a day,what they can eat,what they can wear.Have you not read the articals about car manufactors deleting leather interiors from the options list to "go green"?
Have you not read about the deletetion of meat from the human diet being 1 of the goals of the new green deal?
Look at your daily life. The object you are typing on to criticize me is made of plastic.Where did plastic come from? OIL.
The clothes you wear, how was the cotton planted and harvested? Using deisel engines.
The shoes you wear,do you like having to pay $$$ for shoes every couple months because the organic fibers rot right off your feet instead of being able to buy a leather boot or shoe that will give you your moneys worth in time?
Do you want your road trips limited to 300 miles or less a day? What do you do with the rest of the day being at 60 miles an hour you are only going to be able to drive 5 hours a day? Heck,the last long trip I took I drove 650 miles in 1 day ,BEFORE I had to stop and fill up the gas tanks.
study the power grid here in the US and tell me if you think it is up to the challenge of chargeing the electric cars.Members of my family helped install the grid here on the east coast,once it was "finished " in the late 80's,there has been no major upgrades.It takes alot of grid to support every household charging a car.

I could go on and on,but you have to stop looking at graphs and listening to scientist for a moment and look around in YOUR own space and think about the long term effects of your ideas and decisions.
Give the free market time,and alot of people with short commutes will be in electric cars.
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 05,Feb,21 11:01 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
It is not a hoax. No one wants to control the population in this way. As far as trips are concerned in electric cars, the state of Florida has charching stations in every rest area on major highways. What's more, 300 miles of travel in a single day is more than enough for most drivers to go from charge to charge. The amount of gas you are able to fill up with is different from car to car. Tell me, what's so wrong for a driver wanting to own an electric car? Do the electrons jump from their car to yours and blow out your fuses?

By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 14:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
phart, you just DON'T WANT to believe in climate change, because you don't want to care about anything or anyone, except maybe your direct family and friends.
It's not just about climate change. You also don't want to be bothered by the environment, animal cruelty or the extortion of people in poor countries that make your products.

It's just a very selfish world view.
By phart at 05,Feb,21 21:01 other posts of phart 
2 warm, I am for choice,free enterprise,drive what you wish,not what you are dictated to by a government.300 miles,sheesh,that is a joke for a road trip cross country.
And another thing, the tech for electric vehicals is Just barely becomeing practical for commuting cars.Rv'ing is still years away from being practical with electric.

And I am not "selfish" as the other 1 says.I don't where that rant came from. ANd it is not "believing" in anything.If it was real,it would be obvious.Like are Ghost real? Show me 1. Is climate change real,"oh here is a graph,here is some carbon in some ice" .Well there are photos that show unexplained "spirits" to.
We don't agree on alot,but at least both sides get a idea of how the other thinks.And I am so thankful I was able to enjoy the better part of my life with a 4 barrel carburetored honking V8 instead of a buzz box that would sound as awesome as my 79 Ez-go.










By Emerald at 17,Dec,20 18:40 other posts of Emerald 
I don't usually do this, but I'll take the bait for once.

Asking whether people believe in global warming makes it sound like some sort of religion. Science is humanity's best attempt at finding the facts. I would like to point out that your car, phone, computer, everything that surrounds you works because of science, so it has proven to be pretty reliable. You wouldn't be reading this if science wasn't trustworthy.

Scientists overwhelmingly agree that global warming is happening, and humanity's contribution is shifting the natural cycle to a degree that, over time (a long time, mind you), threatens our survival as a species. We (meaning humanity) are so sure of this that there is no longer any point in debating the question. Our attention needs to shift to what we can do about it.
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I don't know if I can post a link here, but XKCD illustrates pretty well why you should be worried about the ongoing climate changes, even though the earth's climate does change in natural cycles, and we have had both warm and cold periods before.

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Now, to take my own advice, what you should do about it is:

1) Avoid flying airplanes, except in emergencies. A vacation is not an emergency.
2) Drive an electric car, if you can afford one. They're better than petrol cars in most respects, anyway.
3) If your country's electricity mix is coal or oil based, install solar or wind power if possible.
4) Eat vegetables and fish or, if you have to have meat, chicken or pork. Avoid beef and lamb, as they generate methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.
5) Vote for green policies, if you have a chance. The world will eventually move away from fossil fuels in any case (it's profitable), but it will happen much faster if we provide incentives.
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And with that, I'll get back to looking for people who appreciate a nice, long foreskin...
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Except for 6) Buy second hand, whenever possible. I forgot that one...
By oldbugle at 18,Dec,20 04:37 other posts of oldbugle 
Excellent overview!

......It's worth remembering however, that while science itself can generally be trusted the same does NOT apply to many scientists (not to mention politicians)
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 06:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Exactly, some 'scientists' are funded by oil companies with the mission to spread misinformation about global warming, so the executives and share holders can keep raking in the money from a lucrative business, that is unfortunately having devastating side effects, in the long run.
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 08:47 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
That's exactly why God gave you a brain
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The evidence is pretty strong that brains are not a product of God, but of evolution.
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The development of the brain is evolution but you can’t evolve an empty cranium. I think God had something to do with it.
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However, as you are being carried towards the sea after a sunami ; I don’t think you’ll care if the local priest gives you absolution
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True, empty craniums are not the result of evolution. They are the result of watching too much Fox News.






By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 04:37 other posts of Strongmember# 
I agree that asking the question this way gives way too much validation to the very small percentage of experts still disagreeing with man-made climate change theory. This small percentage is often associated with well-funded beneficiaries of maintaining doubt in the mind of the public. If this doubt was not created with a decades long calculated misinformation campaign, then their industry interests would be more likely to suffer because more regulation would be enacted or shifts in consumer behavior.

By licksipsuckit at 20,Dec,20 16:56 other posts of licksipsuckit 
its great to see someone with their own personal plan and I hope you take all your own advice, Id add growing a few vegies, shopping local for local produce and being aware of your responsibility as an educated human being to do all the small things every day, that all add up over a life time.. funny how everyone thought that getting rid of single use bags wouldn't work, well as humans, we learned to adapt and bring our own .. and my biggest pet peeve, would have to be WASTE, food waste, and especially when it comes to meat, seeing someone buy and throw out a piece of uneaten meat to me is just wrong... if an animal dies, give it the respect of at least eating it... how dare you take a life and throw it in the bin... if you cant eat it, then take it home and heat it up and finish it.. *Lix*
By Emerald at 21,Dec,20 04:41 other posts of Emerald 
Yes! I agree with everything you said! I could have made the list longer, but I figured my wall of text was already intimidating enough. We have adopted all of the measures I listed, except for installing solar - and that's because we live in a frozen wasteland where the sun is barely above the horizon for six months in winter, and the electricity mix is 98% hydroelectric in any case. None of the changes required have been particularly painful, so it's definitely possible.
By licksipsuckit at 21,Dec,20 05:09 other posts of licksipsuckit 
we have solar panels, not sure if they make much difference to the power bill, the energy companies here sell them and tell you one thing, they don't send you a bill for 12 months, close the company and than send you a bill for the previous 12 months stating that they take my power and give me 3 cents a Kw, and sell it back to me for 30 cents a Kw,??? and when you try to find the mob that installs them, they conveniently don't exist and no one is liable for the lies... so you never really own the power you generate. but give it to the grid for someone else to sell and make a profit from... its a bloody scam here.. *Lix*
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 07:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We have bought our solar panels in February. The price was about €5250 and we got an €1100 tax return. The panels should produce about 3400 KWh, but they have produced 2650 KWh so far. Of course the projected production is an estimation for good circumstances. The spring was good for solar energy, but the summer was way too hot (which impacts the efficiency) and the autumn was dark and wet.
We use about half our produced power ourselves and the other half is 1 on 1 deducted from the power we use from the grid.
Early 2021, I can calculate exactly how much money we saved with our panels.
By phart at 21,Dec,20 13:21 other posts of phart 
I bought some batterys last week and the fellow sells alot of them for off grid power. And he told me something I didn't know.Solar panels have a 10 to 20 year life span depending on the type and then they are about impossiable to recycle and you actually have to pay a hazardous waste fee to dispose of them.
Also,unlike the AGM lead acid batterys i buy from him that can be sold for recycle,Lithum cost him 80 cent a pound to get rid of!

Going green,looks good in the short term,but getting rid of the stuff later is exspensive
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 17:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In the Netherlands, private individuals can dispose of their discarded solar panel for free in the brown and white goods container in the recycling center.
Our panels have a 10 year manufacturers warranty, 10 year warranty for 90% power output and a 25 year warranty for 80% power output. I trust that they've got the recycling figured out by then.

What do you charge your batteries with? If you live in a windy area, you could make a cheap wind turbine yourself. If you're completely off grid, that's handy.






By up-for-it at 05,Feb,21 11:49 other posts of up-for-it 
Great answer, thank you !

Climate change has been happening since the world began (how that began is another debate) but we are speeding up the proces with what we have been doing thus not giving nature and us the time to adjust to the change.

Your tips will help to reduce the impact;

One tip from me; if you can grow your own vegetables: no transport needed and it tastes better; and that is personal experience.



By bustyman44dd at 04,Feb,21 05:39 other posts of bustyman44dd 
We are still in the process of leaving our last ice age which on geological time happened almost yesterday, so we are warming. As to our climate effect i think the industrial revolution would have been more disastrous to the climate than our effect now. i mean everyone burnt wood or coal, all people and all factories. London was thick with smog!
Are we saying that had no effect and suddenly now our cleaner lives are?
If the climate was getting colder i think it would be more of a worry!
We live on the Earth, it doesn't live to sustain us....
If a scientist wants money for a project he has to add climate change or go begging. (cynical i know)!
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 07:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If a scientist wants money for a project he has to add climate change or go begging"
WHY?

Do you think climate scientists are STUPID or DISHONEST?
Why would anyone give money to scientists to invent nonsense and then spread lies
for eighty years? And how do they continuously acquiring more evidence and make predictions that turn out to be very accurate decades later?
Don't you think scientists would like to do something more USEFUL, if it wasn't true?
Wouldn't you? Do you distrust people that much?

Do you think only that 1% of climate scientists HIRED BY OIL COMPANIES are right?

Oil and coal have been the most lucrative business in history. The whole economy ran or still runs on it. Why would they want to change that? It was even scientists employed by the oil companies who raised the alarm on the climate first. Not a smart strategy to say your employer is destroying the world, if you want to KEEP YOUR JOB!

Would they lie for the money? The average wage of climate scientist is $63,817.
Well educated people can make a whole lot more than that. A pharmaceutical scientist makes $91,206 on average. If they want to make money, they should work for the oil industry and make at least $100,000. Or if they just like lying and think science is too difficult, they could become a lobbyist and make on average $128,438.

The industrial revolution caused a lot of lung disease in the people of London. It even caused moths to change their color to black. Still, global CO2 emissions at that time were a tiny fraction of what it is now. That is because now 89% people in the world have electricity, industry has developed all over the world and not in just a few big cities. Humanity has grown to 7.7 billion people now, which was 1 billion around 1800.
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By TWOWARMTTS3 at 05,Feb,21 08:34 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
It'S not the quality. It's the quantity. World population was much smaller. Factories were smaller and in lesser quantities. What's more, while we, the USA and certain European countries have cleaner manufacturing, places like India and China are still using unscrubbed coal burning for power.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 08:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes exactly.

And I will add something else; bustyman44d says: "We are still in the process of leaving our last ice age". How do you know? Because of SCIENTISTS!!!!

The same scientists who tell you climate change is real and it is caused by our unprecedented CO2 emissions.

Don't you think they know about ice ages?
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 05,Feb,21 09:29 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
Heck, even fiction writers like Jean M Amuel writes about it. They even know how far the glacial ice reached into what is now the world's tropical areas.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 11:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, sometime earlier than 650 million years ago the earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen. However that took millions of years to start and recover.
We are indeed at the end of the last ice age, that lasted until about 11,700 years ago. However the last 2000 years was pretty stable, although there was a 'medieval warm period' (of about +0.5°C) and after that the 'Little ice age' (of about -0.2°C). Those took several hundreds of years. Now (2017) we have shot up to +1°C in about a hundred years. It's almost certain we will not reach the Paris Climate Agreement goal of max. +1.5°C and will need to do a lot to limit the increase to max. +2°C.

So is it hotter now than it ever was? No, it was hotter in the 'Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse', roughly 92 million years ago. That was probably caused by widespread volcanic activity that boosted atmospheric carbon dioxide.
The last spike in temperature, although a bit less extreme, was the 'Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum' (PETM), about 55-56 million years ago. That has been attributed to a massive methane (CH4) release from marine gas hydrate reservoirs.

So why are scientists concerned? Because those previous hot periods either happened very slowly or were set off by a natural disaster, that set in motion a chain reaction. Humanity IS the natural disaster now, because we have increased CO2 levels to unprecedented levels. That way we can set off another chain reaction.
This happens when forests die, when permafrost thaws and rots (-> CH4) or when marine gas hydrate reservoirs are released. We are adding to the problem with our man made deforestation.

But, life survived back then, so why not now?
Sure, life survived, but many species didn't. Also huge areas of land were
under water, because the sea level was at least 45 m higher than today.
That would be a problem, because most big cities are on the coasts.

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By Zorilla at 03,Feb,21 19:26 other posts of Zorilla 
Fiction, liberal lie


By bannon at 20,Dec,20 19:13 other posts of bannon 
If you prefer to believe NASA and all the worlds top scientists that have based their opinion on decades of research, information and fact - YES

If you prefer to believe someone with no exeperience or qualifications or relevant study, that is generally lazy and cant be bothered throwing their own garbage in a bin - NO

Vote - oil industry lobby $$$$ - you know they care

Do you trust NASA to get people to Mars - Yes
Do you trust NASA to identify climate change - No, its a communist conspiracy to get fat useless people out of their cars so that when they invade we wont be able to get home to get our guns.
By Strongmember# at 20,Dec,20 20:35 other posts of Strongmember# 
But I saw on Facebook that climate change is a hoax.. so.. some say it is real.. and now i hear hoax.. in my mind I can only evaluate 2 opposing realities as equal and opposite so.. I'll just say that the science is still out.. the jury is still out..
By phart at 20,Dec,20 21:54 other posts of phart 
It used to be global cooling when I was in about the 4th grade,then it was global warming,and now it is climate change. Do you not see the irony of all the changes to the name of the general idea the climate is "changeing"?
Every so often enough evidence would come up to debunk the name so they just changed it and moved along.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 17:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In my youth the crisis was about the ozone layer. We solved that one, without to much trouble.

Solving climate change is a bit more difficult, but just changing the source of power for our houses and industry to renewable energy would be enough to make a big improvement. Does that really sound so problematic?

If the US puts their head in the sand, turns away from science and progress and lets the rest of the world figure it out, than you will loose your significance in the world, you will fall behind more and more, other powers will take over as leaders of the world, everyone will drop the dollar to do business in, you will be isolated politically and see your your jobs shipped overseas even more.
Is this America first or will you just be the biggest losers in the world?

By bannon at 23,Dec,20 00:10 other posts of bannon 
NASA know nothing. scooter riding comic book reader knows better
By phart at 23,Dec,20 10:30 other posts of phart 
Who rides a scooter?
Nasa knows what they are paid to know.
Government funded.


By tecsan at 21,Jan,21 22:22 other posts of tecsan 
I agree, they always change the name to suit their needs for the present situation...


By TWOWARMTTS3 at 23,Dec,20 00:13 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
strongmember# we are already seeing the effects of climate change. Just listen to the weather man
--------------------------------------- added after 730 hours

And while at it......FACEBOOK? Never heard of that scientific publication.


By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 17:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I you get out of your car and ride a bike more, you might develop enough stamina to put up a fight, when the commies invade.
By bannon at 22,Dec,20 23:52 other posts of bannon 
Trump has already encouraged his mate Putin to invade US defence agency software systems. Thats why he was inviting him for dinner along with Mike Flynn and all the other good o'l boys communist collaborators. Just because they were only working with Putin to get trump elected, doesnt mean they arent collaborators.
Then they gain access to US systems on the back of it.
Why not have them roll up at DC?
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Dec,20 03:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're afraid Trump will cooperate with the Russians to make your country a communist vassal state?
By bannon at 14,Jan,21 19:38 other posts of bannon 
Putin is pissing himself laughing. What a cunt trump is.AMerica has become a luaging stock. Uganda is taking teh piss out of us
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jan,21 15:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump was awesome for Putin in Russia. I saw a comment of a Russian girl on YouTube, saying that she will really miss the daily Trump show on their news.
They have ridiculed him relentlessly over there. In China too, the communist party
is showing Trump as their best example that democracy is an inferior system.







By zzick at 17,Jan,21 13:49 other posts of zzick 
Was 2 or 3, sorry for the spelling


By zzick at 17,Jan,21 13:48 other posts of zzick 
For sure it is, always has.
There wadv2 or 3 mass extinctions before the big one 75 million years ago, or so, that finished off the dinosaurs.

The world and the universe does what it wants.

The question is, are we to blame,
I dont think so.


By zzick at 15,Jan,21 11:01 other posts of zzick 
You misspelt Wyoming, you're welcome.


By sexyken at 24,Dec,20 15:11 other posts of sexyken 
Everything you have learned and i mean everything learn about ancient Sumerians everything no just main stream documentary's what all sides then come to ur conclusion because this the base of what happening on earth


By sexyken at 17,Dec,20 16:42 other posts of sexyken 
We are being lied to by our governments 20 thousand years ago there was 20% more Cardon in the atmosphere than today so they talk shit but the earth is changing though its cycle as do winter summer and spring there is no difference but we humans haven't been known this and because of we didn't know and we haven't bothered to research this our governments have seen this and are using global warming as excuse to tax us and there was global warming it would be due to the ones who control the world and they expect us to pay for there mistakes which call crimes against humanity which is the most deeply evil that you can go even the bad the bad e.ts are not as bad as the illuminati that run this slave planet until we remember who we are and why we came to be on earth. Then we can take our place among the stars
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 04:55 other posts of Strongmember# 
Interesting thoughts. Curious as to how you learned all this and put the pieces together.
By sexyken at 24,Dec,20 14:59 other posts of sexyken 
Everything I telling you you can research its how far do you want to go down the rabbit hole


By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 06:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your message brings more questions than answers, and the only data that is in it is wrong; The last time CO2 levels were as high as today’s was about 3 million years ago.
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Where did you get your data?

Do you have some proof for your conspiracy theories?
- The governments lie to us? The governments were the last to recognize global warming. It is science and all the data is available for everyone to learn about it.
- The Illuminati that run this slave planet? Where are they? How are they doing it? To who are you or am I a slave?

So, who are we and why did we come to be on earth?
And if we know that, how can we take our place among the stars?
By sexyken at 19,Dec,20 01:32 other posts of sexyken 
Open ur mind go online core samples of ice 20 thousand years ago had more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than today that is a fact and regardless what you think it is what you know do dnt talk to me when you can't be bothered to do yours research its in font of ur eyes your to involved in your bullshit I need to be told or I read that you twat fucking wake up I call u lot droneys your brainwashed and your with them u are a cunt you fucking lot and u think ur a GD person your feeding the devil if ur a bible basher and if ur not your worse because you believe in science get out house and watch the sky on a Stary night
By Strongmember# at 19,Dec,20 05:48 other posts of Strongmember# 
This is only one piece of the puzzle. To explain the entirety here would take up too much space. I recommend the Nasa website only registered users can see external links

By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Dec,20 09:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
My mind is open to DATA. The core samples show, the last 800.000 years CO2 levels have never been above 300 ppm, until now.
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CO2 levels are above 400 ppm now. That's a fact: only registered users can see external links
So, I've done my research and have given 2 reliable references.
Where's your data?

You got one thing right, I am an atheist. Still, I don't bash the bible a lot, because I like the character of Jesus. However, if you want to understand current events, science is a better source than a book written 3400 until 1700 years ago. If you want to know about the stars, you're better off looking at telescope pictures (SCIENCE) than looking at the sky with your naked eyes.

The acceptance of science is not a belief, because science is the collective knowledge of our species. It is based on observation, experimentation, data gathering, constant debate and reasoning, testing hypotheses and predictions, until the evidence is very well supported and it is called a theory. If science makes a claim, I can check the data, the sources and peer studies and I can make up my mind if the evidence stacks up enough to accept the truth of the claim. If a claim is revised in any way, because of new data, I have no problem revising my opinion on the subject. Apologists often point this out, as science can change their opinion on anything, when new evidence is found, but that only shows ignorance about science. This only happens on topics when the science is not complete yet. The science of climate change is by now irrefutable.
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By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 08:52 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
Oh, brother. Quick, turn on the lights and they'll run back into the walls.

The Illuminati?



By stardragon at 17,Dec,20 11:29 other posts of stardragon 
I think like the late George Carlin said: "when the world is done with us it'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas!"
By licksipsuckit at 20,Dec,20 17:21 other posts of licksipsuckit 
that's very profound and very true. *lix*



By Rob00 at 15,Dec,20 19:56 other posts of Rob00 
Fiction,lets start with cleaning up the rivers,oceans,and the waste thrown out onto the roadside,we need to start there first
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 20:38 other posts of licksipsuckit 
Aussieman and I are always picking up trash, every where we go, you can find some mindless human has left a trail of garbage behind them.. these are the things that are in every ones control, yet we don't put any enthuses on it in schools or advertising to remind people that this is basic stuff .. seeing rubbish flying out the window of car infuriates me ... not even having the patience to wait till you stop and put it in a bin is just lousy.. and it teaches the youngsters to do the same if they see their parents doing it *lix*
By phart at 15,Dec,20 20:52 other posts of phart 
Well,next trip the US makes to the moon,some scientist want to retreive the "garbage" we left up there,over 60 pounds worth.SOme if not most,is human shit and urine.They wanted to take home rocks and samples and had to leave excess weight behind.
Scientist want to study the stuff to see how it has changed in the low gravity,no oxygen enviroment.The poop and wiz should have had organisms in it that would either change,die or be fossilized.
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 20:55 other posts of licksipsuckit 
wow, didn't realise they left that much up there, I would have thought they just left a flag and their footprints in the sand... I did once read one of the astronauts left a photo of family on the moon.. and it would be great to see them clean it up too.. before china gets there and claims it as theirs *lix*
By phart at 15,Dec,20 20:58 other posts of phart 
There is a battery powered Moon Rover up there to!I want it brought back!
1 of the original prototypes was found in a back yard in florida in 2018 and scrapped before anyone knew what it was.What a waste.cool moon buggy!
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 21:07 other posts of licksipsuckit 
bummer, people don't care about history .. shame the pickers didn't find it and pass on its story.. I seen a little model on the pickers of a landing craft and they knew it was important just having a model from the time *lix*




By Rob00 at 16,Dec,20 03:31 other posts of Rob00 
Yes *lix* lets start cleaning up our own country first,look what clean up Australia Day collects on just One day,our Thanks to Ian Keirnan we need more like him
By licksipsuckit at 16,Dec,20 14:15 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yes we do need more hands .. I walk down the street every morning and every day, I can pick up something .. if every one just didn't drop it in the first place, would make it a far better place.. I cringe when I go down the coast. every gutter has rubbish in it.. the front of the shopping centre is a disgrace.. More Ians and better council management supplying bins and emptying them more often in busy places.. seems local government doesn't care much either *lix*
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 04:39 other posts of Strongmember# 
@Rob00 tackling garbage, especially plastic waste ending up in rivers and oceans is definitely a great cause that should be tackled in addition to man-made climate change
By licksipsuckit at 20,Dec,20 17:03 other posts of licksipsuckit 
as individuals, I think we a feel pretty helpless to do anything to stop climate change, but we can pick up trash, we can see an instant result from a cleaner area and I hope others see people like us picking it up and realise that they can do their part too, to have some pride in your 'nest', as the whole world is your nest, not just the house you live in... *lix*







By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Dec,20 14:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you still talking about believing global warming is real? Can't you just fucking notice it happening? I used to live in a mild climate. The summers had some hot days, some pleasantly warm day and lots of rain. The winters were fucking cold, with ice and snow. We used to be able to skate almost every winter.
Now the summers have many fucking hot days, sometimes even in may. Almost every year all the grass dies and trees let their leaves fall. We don't have any autumns any more, with nice red leaves. The leaves just shrivel up, die and fall off. We haven't seen a real winter in years. No ice, maybe some wet snow or snow that is melted in a day. Children can only learn to skate in an ice hall.
That's all not normal. That's global warming being obvious.
By mobiusdick at 17,Dec,20 14:52 other posts of mobiusdick 
Where I live, there's usually just one long summer, starting in May and ending around October or November.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 06:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And has that always been like that?
By mobiusdick at 18,Dec,20 09:45 other posts of mobiusdick 
No.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 10:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you think that is just due to natural climate fluctuations?
By phart at 18,Dec,20 12:00 other posts of phart 
Yes.I do.
Something happened i cliced on something wrong,if there is a - point or something comes up,it was a accident
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 13:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not clear what you are saying. What is your reason for thinking it is just due to natural causes?

Do you know that only 2.4 million square miles remain of the original 6 million square miles of tropical rainforest that formerly covered the Earth? So humanity has destroyed 60% of it.

Did you know humanity has used about 150 billions barrels of oil so far and there is about 1.5 trillion barrels left. They say we would burn through that in about 50 years at the current consumption.

And you think humanity can do all of that without impacting nature?


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By Gntlmn at 18,Dec,20 11:24 other posts of Gntlmn 
'Looks like more shit from nazis who would've voted for Putin's-bitch.


By Louis at 15,Dec,20 21:06 other posts of Louis 
I'm not sure what to believe. I would say humans have caused it to a certain point, but on the other hand, Earth's climate has always fluctuated one way or the other. Its been much warmer in the past, as in the time of dinosaurs. Likewise it's also been much colder such as the last ice age. There's conflicting information from both sides of the issue. As I do with most things of this nature, I keep an open mind and try to learn all I can about it.
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 21:15 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah, most the theories are educated guesses at best. we have been told of el nino and la nina weather patterns here are the causes of drought or floods. Im not sure how weather patterns work, all I know is most summers here are hot and we have always been trying to balance drought and floods with our farming.. ancient history has people moving from prosperous places when the rivers change or land is worn out .. and nature has its own way of regenerating these places after *lix*
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 04:30 other posts of Strongmember# 
@louis @licksipsuckit The many scientific organizations that have identified the effect of human beings on the current global warming are all aware of the history of planet temperature fluctuations and have tried to separate the data. What began as very educated guesses have become much stronger theories as time goes by. There honestly is not much conflicting information of opinions at the level of experts.
By oldbugle at 18,Dec,20 04:42 other posts of oldbugle 
That may be true, but many such organizations cannot be trusted due to their corruption by by outside forces and money ......sorting out the ones that CAN be trusted is the difficult part!
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 04:50 other posts of Strongmember# 
I understand, so I have examined the many organizations putting out climate change data, such as the UN's special IPCC, US government's NASA, many Universities.. Seeking special motives from these organizations and tracking how corrupting forces would stand to benefit is less compelling than opposition research from scientists or lobbying groups funded by the coal or oil industry. The monetary benefit for the latter is much more obvious I would say, and the amount of money is huge.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 06:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Corruption is the biggest threat to the people. It ensures that politicians and representatives of organizations are not working for the common interest, but for their own self interest. Whether your convictions are to the right or to the left, it is always sensible to vote for representatives who speak out and act against funding of your representatives by any interest groups. Our representatives should be impartial and completely transparent, so the people can vote their conscience.
Then democracy will favor the many and not the few.
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 08:29 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
First, our representatives are in office because they believe in certain policies. They don't have to be impartial, only transparent. If I may make an observation, you sound as though you don't trust the establishment. You sound like a pessimist. The other end of the spectrum would make you an optimist. Both are positions that will give you disappointment. Some politicians are crooked just like some people are thieves, ped@philes, sex perverts or bad president. But, and a big but, most people, in and out of government, are good, honest, people. Sometimes, it takes time for them to act to correct a wrong, but, give them a chance. Notice I did not specify Democrats or Republicans, left or right.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 09:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
With impartial I meant that they decide on policies without favoring people who give them money (either personally, through various loopholes or to their political campaigns) over the rest of the people/voters.
Transparency is not enough. It is already transparent how much money flows to politicians. That doesn't limit them to favor their financiers with beneficial policies.
You are indeed very optimistic when you think political funding is not favoring the benefactors and thereby neglecting the rest of the public.
I'm not telling you all politicians are corrupt, I'm saying that we can help them to act according their conscience, when you make their funding independent from moneyed interests.

Even if politicians could be trusted to make their choices completely independent of their funding, than politics is still dependent of that funding. Moneyed interests can still choose which representatives they help get their message heard. That way they have much more power over politics than normal voters.



By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 07:53 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
Strongmember# that's true. The scientific community has been fighting the unbelievers for decades. During the 1950's most families had one car. Today, most members of a family, have a car. No, car emissions, while considerably large in quantity, is only responsible for a part. The major damamage is done by coal burning and forest fires. I just can't believe the unbelievers. To them it's a hoax made up by the establishment. Now, I ask you. Why? It used to be hard to SEE global warming. Now, we have the melting ice caps, ocean levels rising, el niño and la niña patterns changing, stronger tropical storms, etc.




By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 08:38 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
El Niño and La Niña are products of the huge open Pacific Ocean, and as bad ass as that body of water can be, the sun is stronger. The heating of the water along with the winds being heated cause the changing of weather in Polinisia. Australia and New Zealand get the worst effect but every year we get a NOAA report. They tell us if El Niño or La Niña are prevelent that year. It causes weather patterns that affect the SW states and also winter storms.




By Zorilla at 17,Dec,20 17:08 other posts of Zorilla 
fiction
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 06:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
bullshit (If you don't have any arguments, than this is a valid response)

By TWOWARMTTS3 at 18,Dec,20 08:44 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
Zorilla
Why, why, why? The physical facts support it. No humans involved in the changes. Do you believe humanity has no hand in this? Or do you deny global warming?



By curvy8 at 18,Dec,20 05:06 other posts of curvy8 
Although I believe the science, regardless it is a fantastic opportunity to grow the economy. I am going long in sustainable energy because that is the next gold rush.


By phart at 17,Dec,20 18:24 other posts of phart 
some googling will help alot.

We are not getting closer to the sun, but scientists have shown that the distance between the sun and the Earth is changing. ... The rate at which the sun is slowing is also tiny (around 3 milliseconds every 100 years). As the sun loses its momentum and mass, the Earth can slowly slip away from the sun's pull.

The magnetic poles and the NORTH pole are moving
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With all these changes, taking place even before civilization began, how is it that humans,being so cocky,think they can actually change the earth?
Things change rather we were here or not.
Eventually this entire blue ball is going to go up in FLAMES. Perhaps that is the Bibical Hell?
The earth will burn for a very long time,seeming like a eternity.
By Emerald at 17,Dec,20 20:10 other posts of Emerald 
If you are wondering whether humans can change the Earth, go look at aerial photos on Google Maps. Cleared fields, roads, buildings everywhere. What percentage of the Earth have we *not* changed?

The reason we have had to accept that human activity is influencing the earth's climate is because we are measuring changes that are too sudden and radical to be explained by the factors you mentioned. Those factors are still there. The Earth does change, but over the span of millennia, not in a generation or two.

We can measure, over time, how much carbon dioxide is in the atmosphere. We can measure how much a coal power plant emits. We can calculate with relative ease and great certainty that we have, indeed, made a difference. The uncertainty lies rather in how sensitive the Earth is to our influence.

As it turns out, even though humanity's emissions are only a few percent of the total, that is still enough to upset the equilibrium to a degree that is dangerous to us in the long term.



By TWOWARMTTS3 at 16,Dec,20 08:17 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
I do believe in global warming. The going theory is that a hole has opened up in the ozone layer and getting bigger. Most people say, "so what?". Well, I was born in Miami,Florida, USA. Our sister city across the Bay, Miami Beach, gets flooded every day. Why? The polar ice caps are melting and so the ocean levels are rising. Coastal cities get flooding during high tides. This did not happen in the 1960's. Miami Beach is my part of the country, but there are similar stories worldwide. There are other indicators, of course.
Now, who's to blame? Most scientists believe humanity is accelerating the process. Maybe, maybe not, but, as managers of this world, we should try to make it better.
By licksipsuckit at 16,Dec,20 14:28 other posts of licksipsuckit 
the ozone had a hole in it in the 80s, I thought we 'fixed' that by banning fluorocarbons in aerosols and refrigerators .. now its the destruction of rainforests and burning of fossil fuels. the bad thing is, it took a hundred years to get here , and Im afraid it will never get better with capitalism and governments wanting more people to make more taxes to drive this wheel into the ground.. nothing ever happens till its just about too late... *lix*
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 16,Dec,20 14:32 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
I agree. Fluorocarbon emissions did go down but it didn’t fix it. There’s also the huge Amazon fires. They are man made with Brazilian government approval. We can’t win. Only delay it.
By phart at 17,Dec,20 10:28 other posts of phart 
exactly where is the hole.
If you look where the rockets are launched into space,burning EVERYTHING in it's path all the way up, UM,could it be?
By TWOWARMTTS3 at 17,Dec,20 16:45 other posts of TWOWARMTTS3 
On the stratosphere just up from Patagonia






By rog65 at 15,Dec,20 19:06 other posts of rog65 
When I was a kid they told us that fossil fuels were about to run out. Over 45 years later there isn't a fuel shortage yet. If things are warming it's more nature than us.
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 20:32 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah, I watch old movies, and the references to fuels running out was evident back in the 50s and 60s, but no actions has ever been taken *lix*
By rog65 at 16,Dec,20 00:40 other posts of rog65 
This was the early to mid 70's. Limited gasoline sales, only so many gallons and odd and even days using the last number on the license plate to determine if it was the correct day. Scientists predicted we would run out of fossil fuels in just a few more years, it hasn't happened yet. But there has to be a limited supply. As far as global warming, we are coming out of an ice age. There is no way of knowing how it will end but I think it's more nature than a man made problem.
By licksipsuckit at 16,Dec,20 01:34 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yes nature is strong and unrelenting, its untameable and unpredictable ... fuel shortages are usually about economics ... the middle east can hold the world to ransom if it chooses ... and some how I don't think they'd even tell us if the wells were starting to run dry.. *lix*

By ANGEL1227! at 16,Dec,20 08:58 other posts of ANGEL1227! 
What you describe is the man made shortage when Saudi Arabia stopped producing oil. That was not a natural shortage. All predictions were for the middle of the 21st century and before fracking. The end is coming but not in my lifetime
By rog65 at 16,Dec,20 09:59 other posts of rog65 
Just going on what the news told us when I was a kid. We were also supposed to switch to the metric system but that never seemed to happen either.
By licksipsuckit at 16,Dec,20 14:20 other posts of licksipsuckit 
we switched here in the 60s to metric, when I went to school, they were still giving us rulers with inches in kinder to get rid of the surplus of them.. and in first class we got our metric rulers.. our parents taught us imperial, as they used imperial still in their working life and dad being a sawmiller, used imperial measures on timber till the day he died *Lix*

By phart at 17,Dec,20 10:29 other posts of phart 
I forgot how many Millions of dollars it was estimated to cost the state to change everything to metric,they just decided fuck it,cost to damn much for to little gain.







By Samcro619 at 16,Dec,20 22:07 other posts of Samcro619 
We are truly fucking up the place where we live and it's got to stop otherwise we will not have a place to live.


By #601068 at 16,Dec,20 04:37
Well i believe the Planet is a living thing and as all living things they must Die. stars die and i think the planet is just a cell in a body. just like a cell in our own body. And if we are a cell then we must die to create new cells. Yes I have had a joint or two
By licksipsuckit at 16,Dec,20 14:23 other posts of licksipsuckit 
lol, I love the ideas you can have while stoned and forget them when youre straight.. but I can see your reasoning about us being a cell in a larger body... just so long as we don't kill it in our lifetimes *lix*



By phart at 15,Dec,20 20:50 other posts of phart 
For the most part,weaponized theory.
When I was growing up in school,we had Global Cooling shoved down our throats.We would be freezing to death by now according to what I was taught.
The earth has been changing since it was formed.And eventually it will be lost to the suns self destuction.
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 21:04 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah, as did the dinos, we'll die out at some stage, the earth will change and support a different kind of life.. at this point in time, we're living in our little sweet spot, with a very low tolerance for temps ... we have icefields to tropics, and we can barely live on the poles... however those early men made it through the ice age is beyond me.. they must have been a tough lot... and lucky for us they prevailed *lix*



By Rocksalt at 15,Dec,20 19:14 other posts of Rocksalt 
Fiction... Volcanoes, natural oil and methane seepage from the ocean floor and earth's natural hot and cold cycles do more to the environment than human activity ever thought of... IMHO.
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 20:33 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah, some one said to me the other day, that the oceans are rising because we dump every thing in them, and just a case of simple water displacement *Lix*
By Rocksalt at 15,Dec,20 20:43 other posts of Rocksalt 
That's rediculous!
By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 21:00 other posts of licksipsuckit 
there is a marking on rocks somewhere in botany bay that a first fleeter carved, showing high and low tide levels 200 years ago... and they estimated that its risen at least a foot since then... which is a lot of water, I couldn't have at a guess how much that would be.. *Lix*





By licksipsuckit at 15,Dec,20 18:58 other posts of licksipsuckit 
I see more people sitting at home, cranking up the air conditioners. no one seems to be able to stand 1 degree of discomfort anymore, this is what I see... all these protesters gluing them selves to the street don't really get the message across, only that theyre a bunch of disruptive uni students trying to get their faces on the tele... the world on a whole is so wasteful when using its finite resources and not a great deal is invested in making things from recycled materials to stop waste..
every generation blames the one before and no one wants to pick up the tab of cleaning it up and stopping it from happening.. crikey, grown educated humans still cant sort waste from recyclables in bins ... yet they can claim fame to being the most intelligent generation of all time??? how is this so??? *Lix*





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