Trump's State of the Union Address

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By phart at 07,Feb,19 00:11 other posts of phart

Well,Frankly I think it was 1 of the better State of the union address's I have heard in a long time.

I will never forget Bernie sanders look when Trump said this would never be a socialist nation. All the USA chanting in the background he appeared to be getting the worst heartburn of his life.
I would say I hat3 the man totaly but he is making some efforts towards holding a drug company accoutable for a drastic price increase on some medicines. So for that I will bite my tongue.
The lady that got voted in from New york that is so radical,My God,she must be a total bitch.

The little 11 year old girl with brain cancer,wow.
The Jew and the veteran that helped liberate him from the train,wow,I got choked up on that.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 03:16

He did very well.. Yes, when he said no socialism the republicans stood but not the democrats.

By Andthisisme at 07,Feb,19 14:52 other posts of Andthisisme

America becoming Socialist ?? Who ever,from any party has ever ever suggested that?

That is just Trump creating a non existent bogey man. I really don't understand much about US politics, but really, there is supposed to be a danger that the US will become Socialist. C'mon!!!

I didn't realise that being radical meant that you had also to be a bitch. You could say that Trump is radical in his much more conservative agenda is he a bitch?

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 19:14

Donald Trump preaches capitalism word for word from the constitution..
Bernie Sandars and that bitch from NY.. what's her name? Cortez? The one with socialism diarrhea coming of her mouth all the time? Before you jump to conclusions and point fingers you need to understand the definition of socialism vs. capitalism. Then we can debate the facts..

By #188992 at 07,Feb,19 19:16

I'll bite: what's the definition? I suspect you have a fucked up view of socialism.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 19:36

You don't know the definition of socialism? Then how the fuck do you get the gaul to criticize others if you don't know what you are talking about? The country is divided from people like you that don't know what the fuck their are talking about but call trump supporters names..
Socialism is a goal where there is no incentive to establish economic growth. It is controlled by government, not by people. Your taxes are so high there is no chance so why even bother? No incentive sucking out your soul and motivation to better yourself.. Never has socialism succeeded in its history.

By #188992 at 07,Feb,19 19:49

I asked so you could give YOUR definition, fuckwad. Which you haven't done. You've just spouted your ignorant prejudices (in my opinion).

Socialism never succeeded? How the fuck do you reach that conclusion?

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By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 20:37

Sure thing moron.. Norway is a Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy. Where the FUCK does it say socialsim?..
Here is the real definition of socialism.. Since you are so fucking retarded it will take a while.. I know there is a lot of air and shit in your head but I'm predicting in about 50 years or so you'll get the idea..//////so·cial·ismDictionary result for socialism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole./////// MEANING MR. FUCKWAAD the "Community as a whole" is government control..
Before you can debate something as easy as this to determine the pro's and con's get your fucking facts straight.. Stop pestering your bullshit with nothing you know about.. Study Norway.. Norway is under invasion of Islamists conflicting their norms with Norwegians..Meaning its occupied territory such as the nazi's invasion of poland. Or the Palestinians occupying Israeli land..

By #188992 at 07,Feb,19 20:53

You can rant as much as you like. "The community as a whole" does not necessarily mean government control. You've made that leap all by yourself with (surprise, surprise) no evidence or logic.

All you've done is use cut and paste to give me a dictionary definition and then conflated it with your prejudices to come up with a bunch of nonsense. Did you even read the article?

I'll make it simple for you:

1) do you think Norway is engaging in a version of socialism (I'll concede there are different types of socialism if that helps)?

2) do you have any basis to contradict any of the factual evidence in the article that shows that the Nation is doing pretty well in a lot of respects?

I can cut and paste too .... LOOK!!

"Socialism is a RANGE of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms."

I provided you with a source. So, where's your evidence that Norway is experiencing an "invasion of Islamists"? Bearing in mind that not all Muslims are Islamists, before you get too frothy at the mouth.

I'll leave aside your assertion that Palestinians are occupying Israeli land, for now. Let's deal with ONE set of batshit craziness at a time.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:02

synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; communism, Bolshevism; radicalism, militancy; progressivism, social democracy; laborism; Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, neo-Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:15

Yep, I guessed as much. You're shitting your pants because you think socialism is the same as Marxism or Trotskyism.

Using the synonym argument I can get from black to dark grey,to grey, to light grey, to neutral, to off white and so on ... till (guess what) black is white. So fuck off on that one.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 17:42

fuck off where.. me? Or are you telling the facts to fuck off? My guess is you are using egoism instead of fact checking. You can't be that stupid,, but with some I couldn't even imaging until I was faced with reality of what stupidity actually is.
Do you think i'm doing this for me? Fuck that,, has nothing to do with me...Thinking about doing what is right? Now we are getting somewhere..

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 17:56

I was, rudely, pointing out that using a Thesaurus doesn't make Socialism the same as Marxism or Trotskyism. Got it now?

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 18:06

I'm saying you are using pride and egoism, most likely because you are protecting your tiny dick and blaming everyone else... This is boring to me... Marxism is a theory of socialism but later they combined that with materialism.. Now if you want to study that I'm not going to spend more than five minutes typing because you are stupid, ignorant and arrogant..Total waste of my time..It doesn't matter with me and you... They want government control and conservatives want the people to control our money... You want to be socialist then go right ahead.. Whose stopping you.. The time I'm bullshitting with you can spend more time with my wife and kids..

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 18:12

There we go: "Marxism is a theory of socialism but later they combined that with materialism".

Any source for that?

Who the fuck is "they"?

I'll leave the "tiny dick" comment. That matters not a jot to me.

The one thing we agree on: you are definitely "bullshitting"

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 19:30

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Anderson Cooper debates Trump WH deputy assistant Sebastian Gorka:

Gorka called the idea that there is a "bunker mentality" or "crisis" about this week's Donald Jr. news in the White House "laughable," stating: "We are pushing the Make America Great Again agenda. The president is a steam locomotive that will not be stopped. It’s just fake news. I’m sad to see CNN fall to this. I know you want salacious, sensational coverage for your ratings, so your corporate sponsors and owners will have more money. But that’s not media, that’s not reportage, it’s just fake news.

"I'm just going to ignore the insults, because I don’t think it gets us anywhere," Cooper replied.

"It is not about you," Gorka said. "It is about actually having journalism back on TV. Where are the Walter Cronkites? It is all about ratings and money, it is really quite sad."

He continued: "I stand by what the president and his son said. We are incredibly impressed by Don Jr.’s transparency and the fact that he actually published these emails... I thought we were going to talk about real issues, like what we’re doing with our allies in France."

"The story only exists -- it only has legs-- because of the Fake News Industrial Complex is obsessed. Nine months of accusations with zero evidence of anything actually illegal!"

"I think it’s funny that you have enough time at the White House, in which you are apparently so busy, that you sit around and read Nielsen numbers," quipped Cooper.

By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Feb,21 09:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

"synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; communism, Bolshevism; radicalism, militancy; progressivism, social democracy; laborism; Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, neo-Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism"

And your argument is?

Your having traffic jams on the way to the food line.
That doesn't happen in social democratic countries.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:04

Socialism is an economic system where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by a society as a whole, meaning the value made belongs to everyone in that society, instead of a group of private owners. People who agree with this type of system are called socialists.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:05

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:17

"COLLECTIVE or governmental". As I have already pointed out. I'm glad we are finding common ground!

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:18

See the word "various" numbnuts?

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:05

Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others.In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and everyone works toward the same communal goal.

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:17

"In some ways". OK, some people might conflate the two but I would contend that they are two different entities. So, we are not talking about Communism.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 16:47

You have a graph number line.. say from zero to 10...Zero is perfect Democracy. 10 is communism on highest level. Anything between the 2 numbers is socialism.. It just depends how much the government controls in intensity. With their proposals to murder born infants. Raise taxes 70-80%, take away guns, free speech and can search your property without warrants you are looking at a mark of 8-10...The constitution represents 0-1.. This is an invasion and coup attempt of our national sovereignty and law..

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 17:01

Where's this imaginary graph?
Who decides that perfect Democracy (what does "perfect" mean in this context, by the way?) is zero?

Who is proposing we murder "born infants"? Do you mean "unborn", you fucking weirdo?

Do you mean raising taxes BY 70 to 80% or TO 70 to 80%?

What does gun control have to do with the socialism/capitalism argument?

Your arbitrary allocation of numbers to political theory shows you for what you are - mental.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 17:26

0.0000000 is perfect.. but you can't be perfect in anything so it is imaginary..same as negative infinity or negative infinity divided by zero.. Cant get there so i use ZERO as a reference point.. Same as 10 which is positive infinity.. Can't get there but its a goal... whoever believes in communism goes for the left Hence LEFT... Naturally democracy is 10...70% is the minimum bitch cortez wants to impose..80% is her goal...
Gun control takes away defense from people hence government control.. Example is the Jews Guns were taken away in the 1930's in austria..as time went on it was genocide since they could not protect themselves..

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 17:51

Incoherent ramblings.

What is "perfect democracy"? Are you now conceding that something you stated is actually imaginary?

You did have democracy as zero, now you have it as 10. I'm tempted to say "I fucking give up!". It's like wrestling fog with you.

Ms Cortez is only talking about MARGINAL tax rates, you strange individual.

Do you agree, even a teeny bit, that how much tax you pay should depend on how much you earn and the rich should pay more than the poor?

If you do, all the rest is just a question of scale and (coincidentally) doesn't have an awful lot to do with Socialism.

The gun control argument is totally chimeric. You can have a Socialist state with strict gun control just as much as you can have a Capitalist state with strict gun control.

Still struggling with my Norway questions?

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 17:57

What difference which numbers I use? You're starting to be a dickhead which is how democrats obstruct and resist the truth.. That is why americans want them to go.
The only thing I've seen from you is Pride and Egoism. You are rather boring and I know what you are going to say next. I stated the facts and you argue with them. So argue.. It shows your ignorance and quite frankly its why I don't even associate myself with stupid ignorant people.. can't learn from them.. I can't learn anything from you..

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 18:06

It would just be nice if you were fucking CONSISTENT!!

I can't see any FACTS in what you've written. No sources.

You weren't able to substantiate that Norway is being invaded by Islamists.

Ask me anything - I'll answer.

I've asked you, several times, whether you will concede that Norway is a democratic, socialist country. Just answer that one, and maybe we can make some progress.

The funny thing is that I'm not even a Socialist myself. I jumped in because, as I said right at the start, "I suspect you have a fucked up view of socialism".

All you have done, so far, is confirm that.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 19:05

I already told you about norway.. You only want to see what you want then say I didn't answer it..I did...Norway is a free society,, it is parliamentary monarchy but it is under attack by the radical left european union. Its democracy is under attack by the left which has funded nationalists islamic fundamentalists to satisfy their urges to conquer the world , converting to islam or killing.
The world is under attack,,, Norway, canada, europe, usa, australia, africa and other countries are under attack by sharia law fundamentalists and they are working with the left agenda who funds them..
What the fuck is there else to say? you still don't get it?

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 19:13

Parliamentary - and they have VOTED for a socialist government.

Where are your sources for:
1) your assertion that it's democracy is under attack by the left?
2) your assertion that the left are funding nationalists Islamic fundamentalists?

More unsubstantiated nonsense. You really do sound like the tinfoil hat has slipped from your head.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 19:17

I said they are under attack.

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By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 19:27

Where the fuck have you been besides jerking off the last 11 years?

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 19:44

NOT watching Fox news or listening to Steve Crowder. I will, however, do you the courtesy of trying to watch at least SOME of the videos you have provided links to.

I doubt I'll be joining the Mug club though, if I'm being totally honest.

You could save me some time by pointing out which of the links go to opinion pieces but I'll not hold my breath.

Do you really think that, given the time, I couldn't find an equal number of You Tube links that refute yours?

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 19:46

NO, this is on fake news cnn

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:06

A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism.
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In Marxist theory, socialism (also called the socialist mode of production) refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that supersede capitalism in the schema of historical materialism.

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:19

You brought Marxism into the argument, not me. Marxist theory is a whole different ball game.

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 21:07

Socialism is an economic system where the means of production, such as money and other forms of capital, are owned by the state or public. Under a socialist system, everyone works for wealth that is in turn distributed to everyone. Under capitalism, you work for your own wealth
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Do Socialists believe in private property?
Private property thus is an important part of capitalization within the economy. Socialist economists are critical of private property as socialism aims to substitute private property in the means of production for social ownership or public property.
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What country is socialist?
Current
Country Since Party
People's Republic of China 1 October 1949 Communist Party of China
Republic of Cuba 1 July 1966 Communist Party of Cuba
Laos People's Democratic Republic 2 December 1975 Lao People's Revolutionary Party
Socialist Republic of Vietnam 2 July 1976 Communist Party of Vietnam
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Is Canada a socialist?
Socialist and social democratic parties in Canada. The New Democratic Party, (NDP) is a federal political party which officially adheres to social democracy and democratic socialism while still being the most left-wing of Canada's mainstream parties.//////////////

THIS IS THE POINT... YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT...THAT FUCKED UP ARTICLE YOU SENT IS BASED ON EDITORIAL AND OPINION LIKE FAKE NEWS MEDIA CNN... NOW PLAY IN TRAFFIC..

By #188992 at 07,Feb,19 21:19

Who mentioned Canada, you nutty nut!

I'll get back to you later re the rest - I'm getting my drink on!

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By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:20

Ah ha, in all my posts in this thread I have not mentioned the sainted Donald once! So fuck off again.

By #188992 at 08,Feb,19 16:26

In none of your rants have you answered my questions about Norway. I'll try again:

Do you agree that Norway is governed by a democratic Socialist government?

Do you have any evidence to refute the FACTS in the original article I posted about how well, as a country, they are doing?

China, Laos and Vietnam are authoritarian, one party states - and, hence, a whole different kettle of fish.

If enough people VOTED for Bernie Sanders, or someone like him with a Socialist agenda, the US could be a democratic socialist state. In theory, yes or no? You're a democracy after all. Just because you are rabid as soon as the S word is mentioned doesn't mean that all Socialist states are bad, nor that they are all without fault.

I think your big problem is that you didn't have a clear, or accurate, definition of Socialism (in all it's forms) before you started. Your reaction has been near Pavlovian. Shout "Socialism" and see the spittle-flecked, ignorance kick off.

By Sir-Skittles at 08,Feb,19 20:52 other posts of Sir-Skittles

Fucking muppet.. we all know the outcome when Brits meddle in US politics

Go un-ass Brexit .. fix yer own shit cunt. Huxley the donkey.

By #578610 at 08,Feb,19 00:40

Most generally, socialism refers to state ownership of common property, or state ownership of the means of production. A purely socialist state would be one in which the state owns and operates the means of production. HOWEVER, NEARLY ALL MODERN CAPITALIST COUNTRIES COMBINE SOCIALISM and CAPITALISM.

Public Universities, and any other public school or university, is a “socialist” institutions, and those who attend it or work for it are partaking in socialism, because it is owned and operated by the state .The same is true of federal and state highways, federal and state parks, harbors etc. Other forms of socialism we live with and have been living with is Social Security, unemployment insurance, forty hour work weeks, gender and sexual discrimination laws, minimum wage, national health insurance, law enforcement. Socialism is not bad per se. During the last 300 yrs many regimes used socialism to control the country for personal gain, but, I put to you, didn't Donald Trump use capitalism to control the USA? Pure socialism, or pure communism will not succeed until man is able to stop competing to be the riches, the most powerful, the owner of other men.

By #559941 at 08,Feb,19 03:37

Sounds like you have TDS..
Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a neologism describing a reaction to United States President Donald Trump by liberals, progressives, and Never Trump neoconservatives, who are said to respond to Trump's statements and political actions irrationally and with little regard to Trump's actual position or action taken,,
In December 2016, Justin Raimondo divided the "syndrome" into three stages; in the first, those who "lose all sense of proportion"; next, they experience "a profound effect on ... vocabulary" and begin to "speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole"' and, in the final stage, the afflicted "lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality." Jonathan S. Tobin defines it as "disgust at his manner and his tweets such that all distinctions between him and genuine villains is lost

By #578610 at 08,Feb,19 12:20

Sounds to me that TDS describes good judgement by the people that suffer from it. I want to point out that Trump supporters, when they are confronted with facts from unimpeachable sources, fall back on name calling, the famous fake news, and lies. I'm proud, double proud, to suffer from TDS.

By #578610 at 08,Feb,19 00:28

No, he does not. He preaches Donald Trump. All he cares is how much money he can make. He doesn't care about anything else

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Double post,sorry.

By phart at 09,Feb,19 03:23 other posts of phart

Andthisisme I tried to reply to this thread and it wound up way down at the bottom,.

Look up the final draft of the "Green New Deal"
Read it and tell me that New york gal that is pushing it is not trying to steer us to socialism. Some of what is included in it is to rebuild or replace ALL buildings within 10 years, eliminate non essential transportation,and make farms less poluting and so on.
Ideas that in theory over the course of a couple decades could begin to materialize.But not on the scale she is preaching.

Some fellow was on tv today saying that Trump's claim that this country would not become socialist was all the more reason for them to push HARDER to make it that way.I wish i coulda heard who it was but when in a resturant you can't hear over the old farts hollering in each others deaf ears.

I wish the idea of socialism had not become such a grand idea as of late.Obama care is what got the ball rolling and got us all afraid of it.

By overeight at 06,Mar,20 02:51 other posts of overeight

Yeah phart dont forget the outlawing of beef and pork because all these darting cows and pigs we have in the US are causing the climate change. So no more steak,hamburgers,hot dogs,ribs,Boston butts,pulled pork sandwiches and dont forget chickens those are worse than cows. And since meat is illegal hunting will also be illegal so no need for anybody to have guns anymore.

By overeight at 06,Mar,20 02:44 other posts of overeight

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist from his own mouth. When you propose that there should be free school,free,housing,and the corporations should be taxed to pay for it and we should support everyone in the US even those who just dont want to work. Not can't get a job if you just decide you dont want to get up and go to work bit get a free place to live,free food,and a paycheck from the corporate world,thats socialism. Sanders wants that,Alexadria,Ocasio Cortez wants that,Omair wants that and they dont even want the border patrol anymore. They want it disbanned and just let whoever wants to come here for a free living to just be able to walk right in without even any background checks or anything,they want the no fly list dropped and just let any and everybody who wants a free life to just come in and the government to pay for it all. You get here and we will take care of you and you font even have to work,just show up and get a house,food,and we will pay your electric bill,the whole nine yards. Plus not to me too the 67% income tax Bernie wants to impose. Yeah thats right every person with a job will have to pay 67% of their income in taxes. He said he wants to model his ideas off Denmark well hint hint,yeas minimum wage in Denmark is $100k a year but average annual income after taxes is only $30k. Gas is $23 per gallon,you must have enough alternative power other than municipal power in your home. Why do you think most people over there ride bicycles and having a car is a luxury. Doctors are restricted to only being allowed to have maximum income of $1 million per year and have to give $700k per year in taxes. Then he also wants an excise tax,yeah thats right if you make more than $1 million a year anything over that 1 mill will be a 92% tax on. Thats why Bernie doesn't want to say how he will pay for it all. Because if people knew how he wouldn't even have 20 votes nationwide.

By Gntlmn at 06,Mar,20 05:27 other posts of Gntlmn

You mean salute Putin's dick. Fuck off, and die, turd.

By phart at 10,Feb,19 01:06 other posts of phart

i made a reply last night I think and it is way down at the bottom.
But the actions of that person from New york and then her coming out with her Green deal.
Ben Stien said it best on fox news, "She does not know her ass from her elbow about investing".
Here is a link,
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Here is what is really funny.This has changed twice on this link,since i read it earlyer,
I just read that some stuff has already been edited or removed from her website because she is catching so much flack from her own party.
Deleting air travel,giving aid to those not willing to work,yes that is in there. Discontiue use of ships and discontinue world trade. Build bridges over the ocean.Yep,that stuff was in there in so many words.\
phrases like "As much as techniclly possiable" were in there,Now it reads like a condensed soup can.Hum.

By mr_blue at 10,Feb,19 01:28 other posts of mr_blue

It's a draft proposal... whether you agree with her or not, it's basically a list of ideas...

By Sir-Skittles at 07,Feb,19 01:03 other posts of Sir-Skittles

Sitting dems-- against low unemployment, sex trafficking is okay, Vets suck.. what a low life party! Any Piglosi looked like her hemorrhoids were on fire!!

By #559941 at 07,Feb,19 03:17

They are like the supernova of antares...

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Witch finger

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