Corporate media....it's all owned by the same people....left and right it's the same people....it's about money.....look at how many so called socialists are millionaires....fucking idiots like AOC who will go to a corporate ran charity event wearing a dress saying "eat the rich"...irony abounds...Do you think Nancy Pelosi has a socialist bone in her body ? they are grifters.

You talk about activism on a small scale...that's nationalism.....EU doesn't like nationalists....that's why they want open borders and single currency.You're not anti EU now are you ?EU is stripping away nations right to govern themselves bit by bit....who does that benefit the most,it's the corporations not individuals..

Change is supposed to come from the top,that's why you vote...but guess what,they are already compromised by the time they get to office....quid pro quo...
At the most basic human mindset....it which everyone has to ask themselves "what's in it for me?".....people pick a side based on what is in it for them,they rarely do it out of principles...

As me being a cynic ,so what,I'm not smart at all....I'm just expressing my thoughts

I vote,what else can I do....do you think activism helps ? do you think in a social media age,people are not sheep....?fucking death cults across the spectrum,left and right....that's what "they" as you call them want....
No money in peace is there,America has been a war economy for centuries...do you think anything has changed ?Global banking built on a FIAT system that fucks consumers not corporations,guarantee continuing debt and interest payments from nations under the guise of monetary aid ,knowing full well those developing economies will fuck it up unable to keep up interest.
EU is a copy of the USA....it's just a banking cartel....all the freedom of movement and unity stuff,free trade etc,is a ploy to own the currency.....
France is bankrupting Africa with CFA franc which bankrolls the French treasury to buy USA treasury bonds,while China buys the mines...
And you think you can hold these people accountable....?hilarious so yeah,liberal,conservative,left ,right....just labels....it's always about the money and resources and control...

Why are you getting sued for seeds ? don't tell me the big corporate companies copyrighted and trademarked a plant ?no way....not in America....

Meat in a pack are you sure you are getting what it says on the label ?....you're disdain for anything non conservative is obvious....so why do you care what liberals eat.....?

Of course there are choices,but they are owned politicians....You live with rose tinted spectacles....you still think you can make a difference .....until you are an elected official you are just a voter....

All of them are corrupt....does not matter what side....left and right are just labels .....

It's a lot easier to buy politicians than voters....

The whole of congress is corrupt....they are owned by which ever donor gives them the money,non of them have any real interest in serving the people who elected them....Only the ones that fund them.

Fake food....print out your dinner.....what do you think it is made from ? fuck people's welfare,just be a simp for billionaire corporations who treat USA consumers like labrats

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Once person's asshole is another person's buffet bad taste humour
I think admin has done a pretty good job of dealing with so many of us having a moan

Personal attacks...bro....grow a pair FFS...
My conservatives party.....errr....too funny....still trying to put me in that box...
I do vote.....I can get access to my local council representative....they have to reply..... it's their job,but try getting access to a member of parliament here, you'll be lucky....
But ultimately it's just a vote to nothing.....while you have representatives ,you have people who can be bought by a few donors,grassroots movements tend to turn to anarchy.....all of these movements have to have one person leading based on a set of rules for what they want to do(manifesto etc)that they will bend or change those rules to suit their own needs after being elected...doesn't matter which party,name of the group etc...
It's piecrust promises....I don't know how many times you could Google a political party breaking their big ticket item promise that they got voted in on (we won't raise taxes, then their first budget ,raise taxes etc)
If you're annoyed at me calling them crooks.....I don't know them, just I know that politicians are crooks...so take from that what you want..

I appreciate English is probably your second language,I think you might miss a bit in translation as you take the words and repeat them back ...
You read those words in a tone of voice that might not be the way it's intended...
If you think those words are patronising and condescending,you might need to learn to put on your big boy pants and saddle up for a rough ride in life...
I'm blunt,and yeah I'm a dick,so what, who isn't? it's the internet, everyone is a dick....
Look where we are discussing what we are discussing?
On a site with a bunch of dicks (bad pun intended)

Of course I don't get a second opinion from a pastry chef..I go to another doctor....
Where did I say I'm against vaccination?
I just asked about COVID and the quickness that they got to giving everyone a shot...
And you mentioning the FDA is priceless,why did they come back so quick,an American drug agency giving the world advice and you accept that blindly now...you see the data,I see human behaviour....
"And I know of several people (family of friends) who died of Covid before the vaccinations were available. I don't know anyone who died of Covid after being fully vaccinated. My 4 year old brother had Covid as one of the first people in my country. He survived, but he felt worse than with any flu ever and his condition was affected for months after. I had Covid after I was vaccinated, and it wasn't a big deal. I've had worse colds. This is all just "anecdotal evidence". You can pick and chose which ones confirm your opinions.
I accept statistics from trustworthy public sources, who provide all their data to the public. Who do you trust? Do you trust people who say: "I'm only asking questions!", but never even try to honestly answer them? "
That is what I'm referring to when I say anecdotal evidence...you used an anecdote but dismissed mine,so why should I believe what you say....

I'm open to facts and logic,you just like to lecture...proving my earlier comment"
“ Not all educated people are smart,they possess competence in a given subject,they can still lack common sense"

You can explain the science, I understand why we study such things.....do you think it actually jumped from a wet food market into humans? Is that the absolute only possibility to how it spread ?Would you accept to even a tiny possibility that is was adapted by humans and escaped the laboratory?

In the UK if were not able to work from home, most adults had to get the jab ....so I don't really know what patriotism has to do with COVID here...
There were COVID inspectors checking people....have you got your card or app on your phone to show you have been vaccinated..

Of course I can trust a specialist, doesn't mean I cannot get a second opinion..
Ah yes Scientists, those who are supposed to question a theory,and still be sceptical when they see everyone is reaching the same conclusions..
What did you say about anecdotal evidence? And you expect me to believe you now, after being so dismissive of everything I say...
And I get science... What don't you seem to understand here...?
Tried and tested methodology is fine....
Science is fine.
COVID , fucking corporate scam.....why was so much information about COVID suppressed by governments?why did they ban YouTube doctors talking about? I didn't see much debate about the efficacy of the vaccination...it was get the jab or loose your job....from every government....no jab,no entry...yet people still got COVID after vaccination.....can you not see why I'm sceptical here?
If you're really a science guy ,you know there's truth in what I'm saying..

Patronising and condescending....
You really are stupid and cannot see the wood for the trees...
Vaccination, yes, tried and tested as a process over years with peers review....hundreds of cases.
COVID was a fast track vaccination given to billions without legal recourse to the manufacturer.... massive profit for those corporations...and how many doctors did you see challenging it? So bad science....so fuck off with saying I'm anti intellectualism or not a sceptic....
And yes it is basic stuff but still makes you a dick about it...

I think you have to put people into boxes to satisfy your own egotistical nature....
And you're so condescending,you need to be right...
I can see what is going on,you just want to feel superior and lecture everyone about how they know nothing about their own country and politics....
You're part of the same system...
As I said,all politicians are crooks owned by their financial backers,you needed a big list to satisfy your academic thirst to show that....
Pick whatever terminology you want...
Unless you are an elected official you're not in government,so you're just a voter...
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And these fucking edits....
Farage is a grifter ..
I keep repeating the same shit...all of them are self serving crooks,owned by their financial backers so pick a terminology....they are all the same....
It is controlled opposition....

What lot? I'm a sceptic....in case you haven't figured it out...
Chemo therapy is tried and tested science...
You just want to be right that's all it is,all I'm trying to say to you is don't believe everything blindly, that's bad science in itself ....why did everyone come to a conclusion about COVID so quickly,why didn't any sceptical doctors get to air their opinions ?... scientific inquiry was not enough for me....
Don't be a dick about things .... look between the lines a little.....

As I said earlier
"so you're telling me a political party lied to get into power and didn't do anything to make the situation better for everyone only their political backers,no way,what a shocker..."
Still the need to put me in a box with a label...
So democratic socialists are not socialist then?
Cuz there's lots of Labour members of that ilk...
And you think you have a say in how governments are run I guess...
You vote for a representative who can be bought like any other politicians..
All politicians are crooks.....
I can see what's going on,and how all politicians are controlled opposition,the status quo must be preserved for the rich....

They still say they're socialists, that's why they got voted in,so you're telling me a political party lied to get into power and didn't do anything to make the situation better for everyone only their political backers,no way,what a shocker...
so just as bad as any other countries then...
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Will you stop with the edits...
I know you have this academic itch going on where you need to show the workings out of your views....
But geez man...
What did my conservatives do? You're desperately trying to put me a in box and say I'm something I'm not....
An islamo communist coalition calling itself a supporter of civil liberty and freedom of expression....aka green party.... that's gotta be satire from you?

If you don't know shit about cars you call a mechanic or vehicle technician, take them with you,then go and buy the car...
If you are arrogant and think you are smart, you go and buy a car thinking you can outsmart the guy selling you the car...lol

Are you a virologist ?

Vaccine is not a vaccine if it doesn't protect or prevent a transmission...
I understand what gain function is I asked you to explain the Wuhan coronavirus research and why is ended up transferring to humans....
I know two people who died from COVID after getting a vaccination,so whatever bro....and they were in good health...
So forgive my skeptical nature and distrust in governments.... government is not there to help you, it's there to take your taxes....

Freedom of speech.....at present in the UK we have a socialist government jailing people for tweets,....and they are trying to a pass bill in parliament to scan all private messages,and to make digital ID mandatory phones.... Fucking tyrants want us live in a digital prison...so yeah ,a workers party socialist government want to take freedom from people....

Sheep....baa baa....I think you're pretty ignorant...you understand everything related to the problem....what absolute arrogance on display.....
Explain a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting the thing it's supposed to protect you from....how come so many vaccinated people still got COVID?
And explain the gain of function research being tested with Corona virus in Wuhan.......
I happy to say I don't know something,but I think you still have to show how clever you are,with your chat gpt stuff.
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If you know anyone who is on the neuro divergent spectrum you will know that to be the case....they can solve complex problems like it's nothing but they couldn't boil an egg....
Even if they have been shown how to boil an egg a hundred times,...but have seen a complex equation once.....

What do those qualifications mean at the end of the day? If you are competent you will be awarded a qualification.
Location of the universities carries some weight to a point...but it's always about levels of competence.
Why have grading systems? To show how much you understand when you get tested...but you need someone competent in the first place to do the testing....
As I said bad teachers can have a flawed methodology...if a student has fear of repercussions for asking a question...why do you think happens? Students know not to ask,they don't learn then,you need to make your own mistakes to understand things a lot of the time..and teachers/professors don't like being shown up in their lessons if they can't answer that question...

And that's why I say the universities are indoctrinating students...cuz the students are scared to ask questions... that's not right,if you come to a conclusion by your own volition after a discussion, that's the way it should be ,not someone telling you, you're wrong for thinking that way....equality means everything and everyone is open to questioning....if you don't believe that something should be said, it's not equality...
It's your right to express your opinion,and it's my right to say that opinion is crap.... that's just the way I see it....
Doesn't make me any better than you....

Credentialism
Of course a surgeon has manual skills , it's a level of competency...
What I'm saying is that quite a lot of university/college degrees are useless now...
You can have bad teachers....that teach bad methodology...
And the students can go into the workplace and be incompetent because of the way they have been taught...
If you want equal rights you have to have difficult discussions and that's what higher learning should be, but it's not that way anymore....
And academics do see people as pet projects... they want the adulation of being virtuous at pointing out a so called wrong of the past....they feel superior in their little bubble...

acting morally superior over everyone here with your chat gpt crap......
Have an opinion , lefty's don't like freedom of expression much, they preach tolerance and understanding, except when it's a white guy....or Christianity or Judaism...
Acting like you're so much better than Americans..
Pretty fucking funny to me....
Can you actually function in society without a safe space in case someone hurt your feelings...
And you keep trying to say I'm on a side.... I'm on my side,what fucking change can I possibly make to American political structure when I'm not even a citizen of that country...


As for common sense being groupthink, that's a good one....so a consensus amongst scientists is not groupthink then,what about COVID? You literally just a had a man made government virus spread....and a vaccine shot that didn't prevent infections,so it was not a vaccine then ....was it?
Baa baa...
Blindly believing anything is stupidity at it's finest even if you are presented with endless facts and data..
Anything can be manipulated to make a case for or against something...
So rigid are you in your thinking that you can't even see someone playing devil's advocate....
I'm quite happy being stupid thanks ,ignorance is bliss

and facts are what? Really it only comes down to what you believe...
And saying I'm on a side is a bit silly....overton window shifts...so yeah bro,keep rocking that academic brain...
Too long in the laboratory and not actually talking to people in real life who have a different view than you really makes you a sheep...
There's brainwashed people all over the spectrum...
Do you really think I'm on a side?

I thought you liked critical thinking.
Your side is what exactly?
And I am pretty sure someone here can call out a lie from your side...
Let's play political ping pong whataboutism


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Nice edit btw,did you have to go chat gpt to do a little post for you,gotta get that internet win on your scorecard
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And yeah,I didn't go into higher education,classrooms are not me ...so what? Do you not think I have university educated friends and family?
Do you not think I have read books or something?
Not all educated people are smart,they possess competence in a given subject,they can still lack common sense...

Blah blah blah ,you see what you want to see.......you interpret it as I am against a group.when that's not the case....Charlie Kirk stated his beliefs,and went to places that hated him..... mainly left wing universities....to promote dialogue...he lost his life for his beliefs....live by the sword he dies by it,so he practiced what he preached.
And academics see people as pet projects that's why you have white liberals telling everyone they know better because they have a degree..
Colleges are indoctrination centres now,they teach what to think not how to think....
And he monitised his position,so what,got to learn to earn,he pointed out that a lot of university degrees are not worth the time and money....
You can read the same books they teach from at university,if I read all the books a student reads ,am I just as smart as them if I can recall and reference said books?
Or do I need the bit of paper to say that I am just as smart?
I know so many people that cannot read or write that well,they get called idiots,stupid etc....give them a car to fix,a wall to build, they knock that shit out of the park...
Yeah academics has it's place but practical manual skills pay the bills.....

I think you miss the point with Charlie Kirk....
You can say he used fallacies,strawman arguments etc..
All he was really trying to do was get people to talk to people who have a difference of opinions.....why did he pick universities as his main pulpit for discussion, probably to show how brainwashed the students are.....
The problem with academics is that they think they know better all the time......

He's making jokes,do you think it his opinion?

Scarcity of resources used to be endured,now it's enforced,if your create scarcity you can push up the price of your product,add on to that product any interest payments,tariffs etc...you can see how prices go up so quick.

What events have happened during that time ?

Regulations protect consumers.....have you forgotten about Dupont? PG&E ,teflon ?how many more corporations will screw you over for a profit?....
Say you and your buddies on a work crew get a new system of working put in place,all of you know it's unsafe,are you going to go to work in an unsafe environment for your corporate overlord or are you all going to stick together to call out the unsafe way of working?
Yeah unions really fucked up the USA didn't they?
What about all the law enforcement agency unions? Almost every police officer is part of a Union,are they fucking up the USA?

Wtf happened to Ray?

billionaire sycophant....

Good for you...I still don't understand what your point is...

I asked for you to breakdown your reply....cuz I don't understand what you are on about....if you think I am being obtuse for that, well you know, you're entitled to your opinion..

But what about Jimmy Kimmel?

"Yes, but if it had been just a merger without any oversight from the Feds, Mr Kimmel would not have been suspended. You know it, I know it, and a good chunk of the public knows it. There are many actors in this story and you just want to stop the story on the bottom rung."

That is what I am referring too.....what are you trying to say?Break it down for me....

Yeah I get that,I don't know what you are referring to in your previous reply to me.

Huh? What are you on about ?

One of the affiliated providers pulled Kimmel,they want to be on Trumps good side so they can have a merger with another company, that's the real thing at the bottom of it all....

Why would I go and ask grok or chat gpt about anything? It's full of propaganda....
I didn't say gays don't have the same rights...
I asked where Dave Rubin said stuff against gay rights for money, that's what you posted....

"Dave Rubin is very similar to Charlie Kirk. He started out as a liberal, but that was too difficult and didn't pay enough for him. Then he turned to the right. It's much easier and the money comes flowing in by the millions. He is a gay man, attacking gay rights, for money. There are even transgenders who take right-wing money."

So you are for gay rights, transgender rights,but only if they are lefty people and not right wing then.
If you're not going to show proof of what you actually disagree with in regards to Charlie Kirk I don't know what you expect me to say......
You can throw accusations at people,but at least show some proof,you had no problem showing the proof for Jimmy Kimmel did you ?
Here's a little thing for you....
Google just admitted that it censored content for the Biden administration...
Who is for free speech hey!!!! It's an illusion...

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Posting the things that you disagree with Kirk on ,you post the source that you take that viewpoint from then I can agree or disagree on those particular issues based on that comment...
If you only disagree with him without showing the videos or comments,what can I actually disagree/agree with ?
You did point out Dave Rubin attacking gay rights for money....how does that work when he his gay?
what did he say ?got proof of it,if not I can dismiss anything you say without proof too....see how it works?

You're doing it again.... you're just repeating what I have said with more lefty spin...
Post the Kirk points that you disagree with,in context within the whole debate that he has with the people,not just the sound bites parroted across social media and left wing media outlets...
And you're really assuming a lot about people with how you comment on them..
Have you ever thought that people(Rubin) can change their minds about something?maybe when people see how batshit crazy some ideas are ,they think they are not that way of thinking anymore...
A crackdown on free speech is a crack down on free speech, doesn't matter if it's a college or a government does it...
And you think that because someone is gay or trans that they automatically have to be left leaning.... that's funny....

OMFG,you make so many assumptions about what happened behind closed doors.Do you know the terms of Kimmel's contract with ABC?
Of course Trump is a thin skinned man baby...I don't dispute that...
You're just not listening...
You just keep repeating the same thing I have said...
But with a bit of lefty spin....
I said corporations don't give a shit about free speech,they care about profits....
If you believe in free speech for Kimmel you have to have it for everyone else don't you? See the issue? Misinformation is the problem....so if someone says something that can be disputed, does not matter whether it is true or not does it?
Because they have free speech..
American TV is affiliated,so TV providers can put what they want on their own stations....they were the ones that didn't want to air Kimmel, ABC suspended him after that...

If you think Charlie Kirk was spreading hateful propaganda,you don't know as much as you think you do....
Charlie lost his life for free speech, Kimmel got suspended for it,big fucking difference... doesn't matter who killed him....
If he was such a hateful guy,why has Dave Rubin been saying what a kind guy Charlie was ? Dave Rubin is a gay man with a popular podcast....if Charlie hated people of colour why did have so many people of colour at his events?
If the democrats are all about free speech now,why did so many colleges try to ban Charlie after lefty nut jobs threw tantrums...
Can you be objective?

I can Google the law on free speech,but you are still saying the same thing as I have said....
If someone is on a contract they can be fired for anything, private citizens have free speech,use social media you still have to follow the law,that why there's libel laws.....was Kimmel speaking as a private citizen,no he wasn't,he was speaking as an employee of ABC,which is a network,under FCC guidelines...so ABC felt the need to suspend him,not fire him, so he still had his free speech..
Did he break the law ? No ,but he probably pushed his limits in his contract....see the difference? Of course you can...

You just said what I said....
Private citizens have free speech.
The press have free speech when it's a journalist not a chat show host...
Democrats put pressure on social media to ban Trump....
So Trump broke the terms and conditions of usage of social media services is the same as what ABC did suspending Kimmel.

Private citizens are allowed free speech,if you work for a company you understand a contract,if you're a network TV station you need to follow legal guidelines enforced by the FCC, Kimmel has free speech,but not when he is employed by a company..... Kimmel put up disputed claims so he got told off.
All this free speech nonsense is hilarious, people for Kimmel making out he's some sort of martyr, democrats just blame trump for everything and use him as a scapegoat..
Kimmel only got suspended anyway,he didn't loose anything.
And I'm not a Trump fan .... presidents are elected puppets,owned by corporations,every administration since Reagan has fucked with media to lie to the people,and it will continue.
Didn't Trump get banned from social media? And didn't all the late night chat shows show glee that trump got banned? I'm pretty sure Kimmel posted on social media about trump getting banned.
And which people pushed social media to ban trump?

Admin can speak for himself,but over the years my conversations with him have always been blunt and straight forward....he tells me to fuck off and I tell him,thanks very much...... it's his site,he built as a hobby,from bits of code that is probably now crap .....he keeps this place open as long as he can cover the server and credit,processing fees..
So he's really doing us a favour.....
So if had to use super duper up to date code,he would probably have to charge people to use the site.....and he has said he doesn't want to do that.....also he could sell users data but he doesn't....so yeah it a business,but admin is not a complete wanker corporation....he is just one dude with circus tent

I think admin has done the best he can do with us fucktards on this site...abuse panel has been the same since I have been a member....he gives people who give a shit about the site a chance to have their say and no matter ho many times he tries to explain to everyone that he would be more ruthless with offending members,some members cannot handle that their voice doesn't reach as far as they would like..
So abuse panel is fine as it is ,you can freeze a report and ask admin for his opinion on that report....admin really doesn't give a monkeys about us circus performers....unless you are breaking payment provider rules,I don't think most members actually understand the crap he has to deal with...