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Started by #559941 at 11,Dec,18 19:01
Trump Derangement Syndrome
The latest attempt by the alt-right to demonize anybody who thinks that maybe putting a reality TV star who's declared bankruptcy six times in charge of the country might not have been the best idea.
"So what if Trump only told the complete truth throughout 4% of his campaign, and had to settle out of court for that fraud trial, and that he reacts like a spoiled brat on Twitter to any kind of criticism? Geez, you libtard SJW snowflakes just have accept democracy won and stop exercising your right to free speech! You're so negative with your Trump Derangement Syndrome!"

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By #711639 at 12,Mar,24 20:16
only registered users can see external links This is in my opinion the greatest movie describing freedom vs. socialism. If you go to the time 1 hr 5 minutes you start to see the socialist or nazi give his opening statement on why socialism is the better way and you then get its reply.. So the people need to choose. Freedom versus hitlerism.
By phart at 12,Mar,24 20:58 other posts of phart 
Yowzers, try writing a movie script like that nowadays! You would be "canceled" and hated by every liberal democrat on earth.
By #711639 at 12,Mar,24 21:30
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
By phart at 12,Mar,24 23:42 other posts of phart 
I only watched the time slot you mentioned thru the end of the response. Due to just not having the time.But that was a profound explanation.
By #711639 at 13,Mar,24 00:47
anything that deviates this is Nazism om pme form or another. You can say well it isn't as bad. Like what the fuck, its either right or its wrong. I showed this because it is the best explanation the smart ones here can digest. But their ignorance will prevail.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 10:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I can say Nazis are bad. As a socialist, I can say that, it's easy.

It's wrong because Nazis stand for the opposite of what I base my socialism on,
which is very much related to humanism. I think every person has an intrinsic value and the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I think everyone has the duty to respect all people's intrinsic value and right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The best way to do that, is to not giving all the power and money to a few wealthy people, who exploit other people and the democratic system that people have organized to protect them against exploitation, to maintain and expand their own wealth and power. Socialism supports a more equal distribution of power and money, with the intent of not getting exploited. Socialism respects the idea that all people are created equal, capitalism doesn't. Understand that when you argue against those ideas, you are arguing against The Declaration of Independence,
The Bill of Rights and The Constitution. It will make you LESS 'AMERICAN' than me!

My basis for morality is completely different from the basis for the 'morality' of the Nazis, which was/is: only their race has any value, if at all, and people's only right is to serve the glory of the master race.
Do you understand the difference? Are you smart enough to digest that?

"You can say well it isn't as bad." No, because that makes you a Nazi. It's BAD!

"Like what the fuck, its either right or its wrong." So? What is it? SAY IT!!

"I showed this because it is the best explanation the smart ones here can digest."
What are you showing? That you can ask if Nazis are bad?
If you even have to ask, then what is your morality based on?
Sure, you can reduce morality to its basic premises and ask:
"What is the basis for claiming that Nazis were/are bad?".
It's fine to think about your basis philosophically, but if you STILL need to do that,
on such a basic level, then do that first and come back to debate me AFTER.
I have progressed well beyond that level, for decades, and I'm not debating people who are stuck at that level.

I don't see you discuss those semantics, when you say socialism is bad.
But, when it's Nazis, then you start asking questions, like "Are they really?".
I find that remarkable.

By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 11:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eh, you are canceling and hating on Hollywood, for just casting a black person.

I support free speech. You can say whatever ignorant shit or lie all you want, as long as you don't break the law, which should be minimized to incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity (with very wide margins), child pornography, fighting words (with very wide margins), and threats (with very wide margins).

I of course will use my free speech to compete with the ideas you put forth with your free speech. That's called 'The marketplace of ideas'. In contrast to some of you, and your straw-man of liberals, I'm not looking for a safe space to get my own ideas parroted back to me, but I'm seeking out people with completely different ideas and I'm discussing the IDEAS head on, with arguments, while minimizing cheap tricks like straw-manning and personal attacks. Some of you have the same principles, some of you prefer straw-manning and personal attacks. The last is only a sign of weakness.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 13:55 other posts of phart 
Yea, it would be worse for someone writting that script than just being canceled. it would be like John Schnider or Kevin Sorbo. Just quite literally run out of hollywood for being conservative Christians. they both just opened their own movie studios and made a career on their own.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 09:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are lots of conservative Christians working in Hollywood. There are also lots of actors who at some point don't get asked for new roles at a point in there career and even more (millions) who try to make a career over there and fail. They are just not good enough at their job or their appearance doesn't match their role type or they just don't get the good graces of the public anymore.

Kevin Sorbo was a mediocre actor, but he was muscular enough to be Hercules. When he aged, his acting didn't save him. It happens to almost every actor and
even more actresses. Only a rare talent or being associated with roles that are
less dependent on looks saves some of them.

But, right-wingers and Christians have all been talked into a massive victim complex, which is easy to abuse as justification, when you lot get washed up. When they stir up that indignation strong enough, they will get asked for really bad conservative propaganda flicks, out of pure sympathy, for their fake battle against woke.

So, don't be sad, just like there is a good market for 'woke' movies, there is also a good market for right-wing propaganda movies and failed or washed up actors to appear in them. The market is way smaller, but in contrast to the movies you call 'woke', those right-wing propaganda movies are funded massively by wealthy conservative Christian fundamentalists. Not because they want to see that filth themselves, but because they want YOU to see it.
By phart at 18,Mar,24 18:20 other posts of phart 
Well,they are shit out of luck because I don't pay to watch tv nor do i go to movies.

By tecsan at 13,Mar,24 06:56 other posts of tecsan 
So true with many here in the US (progressives). Idiot lunatics if you ask me. Bet Ananas2xLekker will enjoy this.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 09:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If your only argument is that the other side is stupid,
then you don't have an argument.
By tecsan at 13,Mar,24 09:38 other posts of tecsan 
I believe I do and I think many in my Country agree. It is hard to argue lunacy with a loon. lol

Anyone want a laugh, watch this...

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By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 10:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Again, no arguments at all. Sure, many agree, and they have no arguments EITHER!

Just a cut job clip of Biden making a joke. HAHAHA, he's old!

There is hours of Trump showing his brain rot. Go look at that!
And if you weren't so stupid yourself, you would understand that even before
his brain started rotting away, he was already too stupid to be president.
His ideas to cure people of corona were a bright light in the lungs and
injecting bleach. Hell, I've never even heard you say SUCH dumb things.
And that's saying something.

TS6 shows you Nazis and you say that shows that progressives are Idiot lunatics. WHY??? Why are progressives in any way remotely similar to Nazis?
Give a fucking coherent argument for once in your life!

By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 09:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Just from what you are saying "freedom vs. socialism" and "nazi give his opening statement", I'm expecting something incredibly ignorant, but I'm going to watch it.
With the low bar you're setting, it can only be better than expected.

----- watching a few minutes -----

What the fuck! Are you kidding me? This is just some WWII movie?
You were even worse than I expected. This is the biggest straw-man,
combined with projection, you ever presented. (That is, when I assume you're Trump_supporter_2, because as Trump_supporter_6 you haven't said much yet.
If you're not, than exchange "you" with "everyone here".)

The Nazi's were not socialists, they just used a term that was popular then. They did massive privatization of the means of production and they took away democracy.
Those are the opposites of what what I stand for and what my Socialist Party stands for.

Meanwhile, Trump is talking about being a dictator. He says "for a day", but that's all he needs to wipe out the opposition and destroy democracy. The next day he will pronounce the empire of Trump.
What freedom are you talking about? The freedom to vote for the Trump family?
Not the freedom to be a Democrat, a liberal, a socialist or to support any ideas besides misogyny, xenophobia, anti-science and totalitarianism.
Not the freedom to have an abortion, IVF or contraceptives. Not the freedom to travel out of state for it. Not the freedom to teach kids evolution or that gay people exist.
Most likely, not to have any religion besides Christianity, although Trump is not really a believer. It would depend if he would find Christianity useful or if he would prefer to exchange Jesus for Trump. Some of you already did. Freedom of the press will be turned into freedom to praise the Trump family. Freedom of expression will be expanded to be as much hateful and calling for violence towards minorities as you want, but any critique of that and the empire of Trump will be criminalized, just like Putin does.
Trump is the one who says the KKK are "fine people". He is actually being friendly with Nazis, but you project the love for Nazis onto me.
Trump is using hate and fear of minorities, to get his base angry and exited, just like Hitler did. His prime target is not the Jews, but the immigrants, the Muslims and the transgenders, but after you all deported and exterminated them, the gays and any non-white people will be next. Then you will thank the Jews for wiping out all the Palestines from the promised land and take it for yourself. You only act like you support them, because of that, but you hate them just as much as any other minority. I see you lot say that often enough.

If you cannot show your ideas to be better than mine, without using straw-men,
then you are just showing that you don't have any real arguments.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 13:57 other posts of phart 
You always bring up that strawman thing.
if you watch the movie from the time frame he stated, 1:05 thru the end of the citizens response,it is quite a eye opener.
and a good explanation of things.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 17:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How is this an eye opener? Should I be surprised that an authoritarian despot is trying to convince people that they are doing it for the glory and well-being of all the people?
That literally has been said by every dictator ever, including Trump.

Indeed, it's a straw-man to say: "Your ideas are the same as the ideas of the Nazis
and that why your ideas are evil!"
I could say the same to you. Would that convince you?

It wouldn't, because saying things like that is only intended to demonize the other side.
It is intended to easily win an argument for your own side.
It's called a fallacy. It's a dishonest tactic to evade having to put up real arguments, most of the time showing that people have no real arguments.

It's like me saying:
"You want to kill all blacks, gays, Jews and atheists and that's why you're evil!"
I know you don't want that, but I can make believe that you want that.
That's the straw-man. It's a scarecrow misrepresentation of you, to make you look bad.
That makes it easier for me (if I would do that) to win a debate.

Do you understand 'that strawman thing' now?
Do you understand why it's dishonest to use straw-manning?

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Mar,24 16:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump's Brain Damage EXPOSED By Cognitive Expert
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When Trump is messing up the pronunciation of words, that's Phonemic Paraphasia.
It's always evidence of brain damage.
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His problems with ending a sentence and mixing stories, that's Tangential thinking.
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When you start mixing up PEOPLE (not names) that's a sign of advanced dementia.
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Not knowing who the president is, is a sign of disorientation, it's the type of questions they use in an emergency room.
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When he uses incorrect, but similar sounding words 'god' I/O 'gun' or 'oranges' I/O 'origins', that's Semantic Aphasia.
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By phart at 01,Mar,24 17:23 other posts of phart 
Trump is sadly not our President at this time.
biden is, and he meets all the above listed criteria. so why the hell is he still in office? Because he can be manipulated.
I will take Trumps screw ups over bidens any day.
The recent nuclear threat from russia, Trump would have personally told putin where to put his nukes.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Mar,24 21:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You think it's sad that this dementia patient is not president at this time?
We could agree that it's sad that the other dementia patient is president at this time,
but no one should want either of them to be president. Your side just keeps pointing
this out about Biden, but you're dishonestly silent about Trump. Trump is doing worse.

You point to things as Biden's screw-ups that are absolutely not his fault.
But I'm very happy that Biden is president now, because Trump is a dangerous fool.
His chaotic behavior could have ended humanity any moment, in situations like this.

"Trump would have personally told putin where to put his nukes."
What a stupid idea that cursing Putin would stop Russia's aggression.
Putin is an evil asshole, but he is a grown-up with brains.
You don't pick a thin-skinned clown-baby to deal with a man like that.
And that's my description of Trump in his better days. He's even worse now.
It's sad that people, who think international politics should be handled
like teenagers on a schoolyard, think they are smart enough to vote.
By phart at 02,Mar,24 01:42 other posts of phart 
Our election is not going to have a variety of people to vote for, we have 2 men ,both up in the years, 1 that did good for the country and 1 that has fucked it up.
OF course I would rather Trump be 47 years old and polite. But he aint .BUT worse case scenario, he is the lesser of the 2 evils I will have to pick from. the days of voting for the good man for the job are gone, if they were ever here in the first place.
No normal wealthy man with a good education and a good family life is going to be willing to risk it all and run for Prez anyway. Look at the hell they catch from which ever side opposes them.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 03,Mar,24 19:59 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Our election is not going to have a variety of people to vote for, we have 2 men ,both up in the years, 1 that did good for the country and 1 that has fucked it up (The Clown)
OF course I would rather Biden be 47 years old and polite. But he aint .BUT worse case scenario, he is the lesser of the 2 evils I will have to pick from. the days of voting for the good man for the job are gone, if they were ever here in the first place.
No normal wealthy man with a good education and a good family life is going to be willing to risk it all and run for Prez anyway. Look at the hell they catch from which ever side opposes them.

Sorry, Phart. It was easier to copy/paste. BTW, as far as I can tell, Every past and present president has been rich.
By phart at 04,Mar,24 01:59 other posts of phart 
well, have you ever really studied what it cost to run for Prez? I read about it years back and at that time it was estimated to cost 1 million just to get the credentials to run for the office in all 50 states.besides, you wouldn't want someone in there that didn't have 2 coins to rub together would you? If they can't make it on their own,how would they help a country?
By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 03:13
CAT. I heard you were a nazi. Sadly I'm going to have to ban you.
By phart at 04,Mar,24 05:16 other posts of phart 
Don't take anything leo says serious.he is a angry,bitter man that hates life it's self.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Mar,24 03:36 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Are you saying good people who are not rich would be a bad president?
By phart at 04,Mar,24 05:18 other posts of phart 
Not necessarily but my point is that people who are unsuccessful in life probably are not good choices for leaders.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Mar,24 13:02 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Not being rich and being unsuccessful are two different things
By phart at 04,Mar,24 13:19 other posts of phart 
BUT wealth is the measuring device most people use to rate a persons success.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Mar,24 17:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Or the succes of their parents. That's the case for most of the rich.

Succes in obtaining money doesn't require the same skills
as being a leader who wants to improve the lives of people.
By phart at 05,Mar,24 18:08 other posts of phart 
Some wealth is inherited but not all. I think the skill set is the same.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 13:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe some of the skills, but the principles are the exact opposite.
To be wealthy, requires nothing but selfishness.
To be a leader of a country who benefits its citizens requires dedication to the needs of everyone else, instead of yourself. It requires empathy, wisdom, patience and courage, instead of narcissism.

By dgraff at 05,Mar,24 11:42 other posts of dgraff 
Hog wash it takes a million dollars just to run for president so if you’re not from a wealthy family or have proper backing then stay on the porch
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Mar,24 13:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
And your point is, Dgraff?
By dgraff at 05,Mar,24 16:09 other posts of dgraff 
You have to be rich just to run for president
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Mar,24 16:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Your point is noted but the discussion is:
Are you saying good people who are not rich would be a bad president?
Not being rich and being unsuccessful are two different things
By dgraff at 05,Mar,24 20:03 other posts of dgraff 
Absolutely and on that we agree
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Mar,24 23:47 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Well, thanks for that at least.

By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Mar,24 17:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not true, if enough people believe in you and want to donate to your cause, you can be poor and be president. Theoretically, that is.
Practically, in your country, so many people respect wealth and disrespect
the common man, that it would be almost impossible.
By phart at 05,Mar,24 18:09 other posts of phart 
The common man remains common because he chooses to, or he is incapable of being uncommon.
If you don't have the drive to work, and earn and invest, it is highly unlikely you have the drive to lead. Leading requires risk taking same as working and investing.
if you lead and your followers fail, you get to take the blame.if you work,invest and loose, you take the blame.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 22:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If it requires risk taking, then it's not a choice, but LUCK!
By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:40 other posts of phart 
you can choose not to take the risk.
and be a sedentary welfare bum with no goals or hopes or dreams.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Mar,24 20:53 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ninety percent of the public choose not to take a risk. They WORK all their life without risking their job so as to have a steady income to do not much more than survive. Are you, Phart, saying these people are bums? You sure live in a weirdo world.
By phart at 09,Mar,24 03:12 other posts of phart 
if they work, they are taking risk of injury for example as in my case, they are taking risk in making a mistake and costing the employer money. There are risk in working.
The 1's that don't take any risk are the 1's laid up at home, having never worked, on dope bought with money from stuff they stole and etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 11:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are indeed some people who got rich or wealthy, by taking a big risk and that risk working out. Some were working for a boss and they took a risk being self employed. That's what my brother did and it is working for him. My brother in law tried it two times and lost his house over it. It doesn't require just taking a risk, it does require a brain. Unless you start out by winning the birth lottery. If you have rich or wealthy parents, it doesn't require taking a risk, because your parents will protect you from the financial and legal ramifications, when you gamble wrong. They will see it as valuable experiments to success. Those people can keep screwing up, until they learn or get lucky.
Lower and middle class people don't have that luxury. If their experiment doesn't work out, they are stuck working off the debt from their gamble for years to come.

Life is not without risk. That's not what you were talking about, so don't muddle the discussion. Poor people are taking way more risk of getting killed in a work accident than a manager, a CEO or an investment banker. There is a difference in the type of risk. Some people have a 1 in 10,000 risk of getting killed on the job. Other people have a 90% chance that their investment doesn't work out. That 10% that did find their gamble paid out, might have been smarter, but a big percentage of them was just lucky. And once they've had their first lucky break, the risk goes way down for the next gamble. The previous experiment provides inside into what works, people think they are smart and they have a financial buffer that allows a risk, without going broke.
Most people who are rich or wealthy started out with rich or wealthy parents. Most of the few that made it from rags to riches started out with a lucky break. Only a minority of rich and wealthy people are actually the very smart and talented people that you think all of them are.
And then some of them were just as morally deficient as those dope dealers and stealing people you talk about. Many start by scamming people, taking the pensions from old people. Then there are the legal, but morally deficient rich people who make money from payday lending companies, investment apps and g@mbling sites. They make money from gullible people. Their money making strategy causes incredible damage to society and should be regulated to death. But, I'm sure you don't agree and you respect people who get rich that way.

"The 1's that don't take any risk are the 1's laid up at home, having never worked, on dope bought with money from stuff they stole and etc."
There are people who are useless. But that's not the 50% of people who will struggle to survive all of their lives.

We cannot all be the owner class. Some people need to do actual work.
That actual work needs to be rewarded, with enough money to afford a place to live, healthy food on the table, healthcare, some luxuries and providing your kids the best education that they are capable of.
By phart at 11,Mar,24 18:33 other posts of phart 
People that use pay day loan systems and such, I don't feel alot of sadness for them because they should know better.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Mar,24 10:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You better care about it, because it causes damage to society.
The only reason why it's not controlled to do less damage,
is because some people get wealthy from abusing the system.

Some people get wealthy from drugs too. People who use drugs should know better too. Still, you want to keep fighting the war on drugs, which hasn't worked at all. What's the difference for you?
Why is abusing stupid people who get addicted to drugs illegal and why should abusing stupid people who put themselves into debt with crazy high interests rates, which they never get out of, be legal?

Limiting predatory loans WILL work, because they are legal.
Regulation is the solution. (it's already legalized and taxed)
If you have a problem with stupid people making stupid decisions, banning the stupid decisions will only make things worse,
because they'll get what they want or need from an illegal source.
That's because praying on stupid people is very profitable.
The solution is prohibiting the damaging type and providing a
less damaging alternative, legally. Then most of the stupid people
will take the alternative and most of the damage is prevented.

The pay day loan system is sort of the legalized version of mafia
loan sharks, who break your legs if you don't pay back. The current alternative is less damaging, but NOT ENOUGH, because you just legalized the mafia. They won't break your legs, but they still scam people with contracts and interest rates, with the goal of taking everything they own. That's like legalizing the drugs cartels.
That's stupid, the solution should always include regulating the providers too. It's what my country did wrong, when they permitted
the sale of cannabis, but not the suppliers of the coffee shops.
And when they legalized the personal use of XTC and cocaine,
but not the suppliers. That resulted in a massive crime network.
And the idiot politicians still won't correct their mistake.

You shouldn't have Don Corleone manage the pay day loan business and not let El Chapo provide the legalized weed, XTC and coke.

I have the same solution for similar problems.
Your solutions are wildly different, depending on your feelings.
By phart at 12,Mar,24 21:07 other posts of phart 
If someone finds themselves in a hole because of drugs, the fact they are helpless, and no one is helping them, should be motivation for them to sober up and crawl up out of the hole and do better.
I don't see how cuddling dope heads would ever "help" them in a way that would ever prompt them to stop drugs.
"Well if I over dose they will just give me Narcan, let's party" .
1 of our emt's locally got cussed out 1 night by a dope head. He was od'ing and medically almost dead.They shot him with Narcan and when he came to he cussed out the emt for ruining his great high.
so grateful don't you think?
The solution is, if you get caught using drugs,you go to jail.if you get caught selling drugs you are charged with murder and attempted murder and put in jail.
NO BAIL , that is most of the issue,so much money in drugs bail can be 2 million dollars and they will be out before the ink drys on the paper charges.

I have NO sympathy any more for dope heads. Only the family's and children that suffer because of them. Starving kids cause all the money went to dope, homeless kids because the parents go to the clinic and shoot-up in front of doctors for safey. Hell no, no sympathy for them.

As for pay day loans, there have always been loan sharks.nothing new but the clothes they wear.
Title loans are another thing.But the dope heads figured out how to cheat title loans. They get a title loan in 1 state,scrap the car in a state that does not require a title to scrap the car, they get to buy dope with both the loan and the scrap money from the car. Leaving the family without transportation to the dr and so forth
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 13,Mar,24 11:38 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That's what addiction is. Phart, I'm surprised you think stopping is so easy.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 13:41 other posts of phart 
It should be hard to get the drugs in the first place.
and people are capable of self motivation. just to lazy.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 13,Mar,24 17:11 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It’s very easy to get drugs
By phart at 13,Mar,24 17:23 other posts of phart 
and it should NOT be.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Mar,24 15:53 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Afroman - Because I Got High

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By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 12:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who is talking about cuddling drug addicts?
"no one is helping them" Is throwing them in jail 'helping them'?

I wasn't even talking about the drug addicts themselves or 'helping them'. I left completely open the choice between sending them to a state-funded rehab clinic, locking them up or just euthanizing them. That's a completely different question.

And even if they were, which they are not, that's their responsibility.
The use of drugs shouldn't be illegal. It should only be illegal when you harm other people, like when driving under the influence.
The only argument I was making is that it is bad to exploit addicts.
It is bad when drug dealers do that and it would be bad if we let Pfizer do that. That's why I always say "legalize, tax and regulate".

Just like g@mbling and alcohol consumption are regulated (at least in my country) to prevent addiction, that should be the same for drugs. A drug addict is not more helpless than an alcohol or g@mbling addict. Why should they not go to jail?

(g@mbling is a censored word? Why? It's legal in your country)

Just like dope heads, people in deep debt from pay day loans and people addicted to g@mbling or alcohol, put their family in ruin.
So why do you have such different ideas about controlling drugs, pay day loans, alcohol and g@mbling? None of your arguments against drugs are different from the arguments against alcohol and g@mbling. You also have not shown any difference between exploiting people who borrow money at predatory conditions and get into huge financial problems from it and people who consume drugs and get addicted from it. Why is one legal and the other not?

Why should an owner of a liquor store not be charged with murder and attempted murder and put in jail? Do you know how many people die from alcohol and alcohol related traffic accidents?

I repeat: I have the same solution for similar problems.
Your solutions are wildly different, depending on your feelings.
My solutions are better. Your solutions don't work at all.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 13:46 other posts of phart 
I am not that up on **** but again ,no sympathy for the idiots .only those that are negitively impacted.
As for putting drug addicts in jail,that should greatly reduce or eliminate the chance of getting drugs , which would allow them to sober up. Let them suffer withdraw, water and beans,let em suffer.that way they can get a grasp of the suffering they cause familys when they kill someone driving doped up or drunk.
Taxing and regulating hasn't helped our alcohol or **** issues as much as the democrats claimed it would when they pushed for it to be legal. It just puts money to blow into their coffers,that they then budget to "help" the addicts" that their easy access to the objects of addictions created.

What part of it is so hard to understand? IF they can't get the drugs or alky or buy lottery tickets, how would they get addicted in the first place????
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 18:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"As for putting drug addicts in jail,that should greatly reduce or eliminate the chance of getting drugs, which would allow them to sober up."
And then they come out with a criminal record and no future.
They will be addicts 10 minutes later again.

You have tried this for decades and decades. It doesn't work.
The US has the worst drug problem in the world. Try something else.

It's only your feelings of 'let them suffer', why you say that.
You don't say it for alcoholics or g@mbling addicts.

Ending the alcohol prohibition did do lots of things. It took away the revenue model from the mafia. The fact that they turned to drugs after exactly proves my point.

It is impossible to keep people away from drugs or alcohol, unless you create a repressive police state which is worse than the drugs and alcohol problem. Duterte tried it in the Philippines and murdered thousands of people, way more than ever died of overdoses. I thought you liked 'small government'? Do you think that a repressive police state like that would respect the freedoms that you like? They will search your house every time they find anything suspicious in your area, because that the only way to keep all drugs of the streets.

People who don't have hope for a better future will always find something to destroy themselves. Actively worsening their future, by jailing them for their mistakes, assures they will never recover. Only the hope for a better future and some help, can be successful in turning these people into contributing members of society.

And again, most people who use drugs don't get addicted. I know a lot of people who used a plethora of drugs and they are all doing perfectly fine right now. Your preferred system would have destroyed them.

People who get into drug addiction have character flaws that would get them in any other trouble too. Those people either need constant mental healthcare, or we accept they are unable to be contributing members of society and minimize their damage.
You might want to put them in jail forever, but that's more expensive than trying to help them. Sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. I want to give them a chance.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 19:57 other posts of phart 
I didn't say it for alcohol and gamb1ing but agree that similar practice should be done with them as well.just was talking about drugs mostly in the post. I just read some states are looking at reducing the blo0d alcohol level so more dui's can be issued. That is great news. But some said in the post about" a responsible drinker only having 2 or 3 drinks would be legally drunk" Well, first off if they were responsible people, they wouldn't be away from home without a driver drinking in the first place .And 2, my safety and yours is more important than their getting drunk because they can't cope with lifes little issues.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 13:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Which in your opinion is imprisoning everyone involved in alcohol and g@mbling? Well, at least it would be consistent.

Just look at countries where drugs, alcohol and g@mbling are criminalized and tell me if you want to live there. If you do, maybe convert to Islam beforehand, because I cannot think of any countries besides those. It's not a good sign if your ideas about freedom have so much similarities with Islamism.

People not being able to cope with lives little issues (or big issues) is indeed often the cause for them using alcohol or drugs. That's the wrong reason, but you can't solve that by giving them more issues to cope with. The better solution is to reduce the amount of huge fucking problems that people face every goddamn day of their lives, if they didn't win the birth lottery. Some countries successfully do that and achieve a better quality of life for most of their citizens. Some countries don't and turn the lives of their citizens into a living hell. I know in which country I want to live and that's what I support politically.
The end goal might be socialism, but even if that never amounts to it, in the meantime they are working hard to achieve more justice, freedom and quality of life for the citizens. I cannot say the same for the politicians that you support.

By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 16:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"well, have you ever really studied what it cost to run for Prez?"

Do you understand the failure of your system, when you say that?
People should be able to participate in politics, based on an constituent of voters trusting someone to represent their ideas, not based on their wealth. Because then, they most likely just represent their wealth; their own self-interest.
Democracy is about representation of voters, not representing the self-interests of one wealthy person.

We have a prime minister and it costs NOTHING to run for that function.
You just need to be a member of a political party, climb up through the ranks to be placed on #1 of their election list and then get the most votes with that party.

For any outsider who wants to be prime minister, they need the signatures of 580 voters, $491,73 to register and deposit $12.293,32 to the State, which they would get back, if they can reach a minimum of votes corresponding to 75% of 1 seat.

Political campaigns cost money, even in our country, but a poor man has the exact same chances as a rich man, because people cannot use their own money to run for any office, in my country. It at least requires a political movement, with people supporting it, to get into any office. That's a safeguard to prevent any wealthy despot to just buy themself into power.
By phart at 12,Mar,24 21:09 other posts of phart 
Why would you want a person to lead you, that can not even lead himself to prosperity?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 13,Mar,24 11:41 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I don't know about that. There's Ghandy, there's Mother Teresa, and, trough the ages, there's been others. There was this guy called something or other from Nathareth.

By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 12:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Then why would you want Trump to lead you?
He didn't lead himself to prosperity, his father did.
Anyone would be able to maintain the wealth he started with.

I want the people in politics to care about people, not themselves.
The 'leaders' I choose, voluntarily give away most of their salary from their elected position as representatives, to the Socialist Party. What they would have normally earned, would lead them to prosperity, but they choose not to, because that would divert them too much from the people they represent; the working class.

They accept a compensation that is enough to live on, afford their own house, educate their children well, have some luxuries and go on 1 or 2 vacations/year.
That's the minimum that our party wants for everyone who contributes.
Most of the parties management is highly educated and intelligent,
they could lead themselves to prosperity, but chose to be public servants.

That's the type of person I want to REPRESENT ME, NOT LEAD ME!
I don't want ANYONE to lead me, I want to participate in DEMOCRACY.
And that's what I'm doing, regularly.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 13:50 other posts of phart 
so you never borrowed money from a family member or a freind?

From the way you type that minimum of what the party wants, it appears to be a high maximum to me if you want them to represent the working class. Some jobs are Not worth what others are. A engineer that designs your bridges is a working man, the burger flipper is a working man,but it takes alot more dedication and effort to be a engineer, so his salary should reflect that,but with your system, it wouldn't be permited. So after a generation or 2, what would be the incentive to invest the time and effort to be a engineer when flipping burgers gets you the allowed limit?
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 18:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Bullshit, Trump got hundreds of millions from his father to have him fail business after business.
Then when old Trump died, Donald took the whole inheritance for himself.

When you have that kind of money, you don't have to do anything. You just buy your way into several businesses and live the good life from the dividend. If Trump had done just that, he would have been more wealthy than he is now.

You think living like that is the maximum? OMG, it's so sad what they have made you think.

Even a burger flipper creates enough added value to live that life, if they got a fair piece of the cake. But, I told you before that flipping burgers is only a thing of capitalism, where wealthy people get their money by exploiting nature, workers and your health. It doesn't help society and it doesn't create much pleasure for people. It's bland food that only gives you a buzz, because it's full of fat and sugar and your body is programmed to like it. It's sort of an addiction. It's only capitalism that makes you think that giving people obesity and diabetes is good, because of the jobs. It's not good, it only serves the wealthy and harms society. Socialism would provide restaurants where you could eat a burger, but it would be more expensive than eating healthy, way more tasty, less harmful to nature and pay the workers a wage to do all the things I described.
Why? Because that's the smart choice, that serves everyone.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 20:00 other posts of phart 
Oh my so you would make tofu biscuits and seaweed with mineral water cheaper than something that taste fit to eat.
You don't want me to eat a hamburger but don't mind if I go shoot up some drugs?
THat is not utopia that is looney ville.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 13:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's very sad that you think only meat tastes fit to eat.
I do admit it requires some more skill to make veggies taste nice.

I just want to have the real cost of food represented in the price.
And I don't want factories to turn literal garbage into food.

I'm not saying I want to criminalize eating meat, I'm saying that the damage to nature should be included in the price. That will result in you having financial incentives to eat more healthy, because locally grown plant based food would then be cheaper than meat, especially beef.

Where we are heading, at this pace, you won't be able to afford beef anyway, in a couple of years. The price of all food will go up, whether we do something about climate change or not. Many farms in your southern states are already not able to afford the costs of water and food for their livestock. Clean water sources are drying up, pastures require more water each year and grain goes up in prices because of dwindling water sources too. Cows drink and eat a lot for your piece of beef. The calculations for the amount of beef produced vary from 4,000 to 15,0000 l water/kg of beef, probably based on the areas where they raise the livestock and grow their food. When water sources become scarce, the price goes up, affecting the prices of all products requiring water for their production. Eventually, we will be forces to just consume food that is produced with the least amount of water, which will eliminate beef the first. Pork is a little bit less wasteful with water and chicken is the most water efficient piece of meat. But chickens still eat more grain, than when we feed people on just grain. The longer you lot delay the inevitable sacrifices humanity has to make, the tougher the sacrifices will need to become.

It is freedom to be allowed to do things up to some level of harm you are causing with it. At the moment, eating beef causes a lot of harm to civilization. That should be reduced, because the level of harm is unsustainable.

I'm not talking about achieving Utopia, I'm talking about the continued existence of humanity.

By phart at 13,Mar,24 14:13 other posts of phart 
only registered users can see external links

Ignore the person running,ignore the party, I am posting this to show you it takes MONEY to run for president.
"You have got to pay for signature collectors,"
"Legal fees also are a big expense for independent campaigns trying to get on the ballot. That's because third-party candidates often challenge state ballot access laws, and face lawsuits filed by the major political parties."

Thats just 2 quotes from the page.
NOT to mention, third partys are seldom if ever allowed to debate on tv with the other 2 parties.
third party hasn't got a chance except in low density,small county or town offices.

By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 05:24
A philosopher is a lover of knowledge. A foolj is trying to convince you he knows everything, Right Ananas2xLekker
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Mar,24 16:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A philosopher is a researcher of knowledge, a fool just accepts talking points
that confirm their prejudices.

And who might you be? Are you a reincarnation of Trump_supporter_2?
If so, what did you do to your account?
By #711639 at 05,Mar,24 22:10
I'm not trump supporter 2. I'm trump_supporter_6
By phart at 09,Mar,24 03:14 other posts of phart 
I guess i need to make a ghost profile, trump_supporter MM/mm

By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 03:10
You are wasting your time with this sad human .. He is a retard.
By phart at 04,Mar,24 05:19 other posts of phart 
I don't consider myself retarded sir.
By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 09:00
This is the 2nd time you thought it was meant for you. Is there something I should worry about? I have narcissists that blame me even though nothing I did was wrong. Lots of times it was my immediate family and after a while I simply said bye bye. This will never happen to me again.
By phart at 04,Mar,24 13:17 other posts of phart 
It's the layout of the paragraphs and responses.
By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 22:04
When I'm replying it is not on your icon. You don't have to worry about me. We are God's children
By phart at 04,Mar,24 22:13 other posts of phart 
it is not very "clear " to me, I have to trace back and up and try to follow the little red line.
By #711639 at 05,Mar,24 01:04
Well anyway it wasn't meant for you. has anyone seen Trump_supporter pr Trump_supporter_2
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Mar,24 17:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I think you are them. Your first posts are 1 day old,
which coincides with the disappearance of Trump_supporter_2.
And you pick up discussions exactly where Trump_supporter_2 left them.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 20:23
I think you are kebmo and any other drunken sailor craving sperm from bjuk hanging out at the gay peep show
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 14:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Both kebmo and I have accounts that are years old, with a long history of engagement in this community. We have similar opinions on politics, just like you have similar opinions on politics with phart and dgraff. I understand that you are not the same person as them, so why do you think we are?
There are actually more liberals than people like you in the world.

I don't believe you even really think what you are saying. You are either gaslighting or you think it's funny.

This is a site for adults, discussing adult subjects. Every sexual orientation and fetish is represented here. If you are not mature enough to handle that, you don't have to be here, you can leave.

By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 20:26
If you can read I'm not trump supporter 2. But you can't.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 12:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The fact that you think that's logical, shows who you are.
You're obviously the same person, with a new account.
Your new account is just as empty as your last one.
It shows you have no intent of actually engaging in this community.
By #711639 at 11,Mar,24 21:01

By #711639 at 11,Mar,24 21:04
I'm not sure what you mean. Why should I care anyway. What difference does it make? Afterall you don't care that you are kebmo right?

You listen to fake news and you think you are very smart but the truth shows in you every single time. Shows you have an incompetent weak mind. Easy diverted and brainwashed. So what can I do about it?
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Mar,24 11:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It doesn't really matter who you are or were, but it's useful to know,
so I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

I you cannot tell the difference between a Canadian and a Dutch guy,
that shows YOU have an incompetent weak mind.

There is no 'NEWS' that supports socialism. The choices are limited to publicly funded broadcasting services, commercial broadcasting companies, independent YouTubers funded by views and commercial YouTubers and YouTube channels funded by donations. The publicly funded broadcasting services are incredibly centrist. They'll allow some programmers to make more left-wing and more right-wing programs, but none of that even comes close to socialism, or your MAGA extremism.
The commercial broadcasters are all owned and funded by large corporations. They don't allow any ideas that threaten their power. Many of the commercial YouTubers are funded by the same large corporations, but they lack the journalistic integrity. They'll either express their own ideas that are useful to their corporate donors or they'll lie for their corporate donors,
if they'll pay enough. None of those corporate donors like socialism, because it will the end the power and wealth of their wealthy owners.

About 75% of my media consumption is apolitical. It's things like this:
only registered users can see external links
Or this: only registered users can see external links
So, how is that brainwashing me? They are debates where both sides present their arguments and evidence and it's up to the listener to decide what they think holds the most truth. How often do you consider the arguments of the other side?

The one who is brainwashed is you; everything you think favors the wealthy donors of your media, who put those ideas in your head. You're a gullible sheep to them. That concerns your right-wing views and your religion.
Your religion has primed you to accept everything they tell you, without criticism or independent thought. It's all useful to the powers who control you.
And you are doing nothing but projection.

"the truth shows in you every single time."
Thanks! I cannot say the same about you, unfortunately. Do better!
At least I try to be mature and authentic. Can you say the same?
By #711639 at 12,Mar,24 19:38
So you're saying I'm brainwashed into striving for moral correctness in comparison to political correctness. Political correctness does not favor the people entailed, only power for the government to control.

Socialism gives all the power to the government. The government can do whatever it wants through corruption and abuse of power. They control businesses. They can tax any percentage they want to. Is this your current position telling me I don't know?

I don't think you read my essays so I will use less words. obviously your reading comprehension is strongly limited. I will use less words and those words will have the smallest amount of letters so hopefully your 2nd grade reading skills can assimilate properly.0000 You do not understand democracy. The USA is not a democracy. It never has been. Never. The constitution is based on striving for moral correctness but it has never achieved its objectives by far. As long as you have abuse of power, lying, stealing and removing guns with freedom of speech the country is done. Our cities are destroyed and unlivable now.

when you give me a detailed definition on moral correctness, democracy and utopia and doing the right thing striving for democracy we can debate but as long as you continue with your brainwashed 1 dimensional brain of thinking or stupidity there is nothing we can do

I just can't believe that you start off stupid with the starts of our debates and you appear to get even more stupid every single time more and more..

The bullshit comment about you in one country and kebmo in another country is used for deception, just like you say I'm one with more than one account and was Trump 2. You do not have to prove your residence on this site just like verification is used to prove you are real. Stop trying to insult my intelligence, you will lose. And it doesn't matter. I don't give a shit if you were the pope. It makes no difference. So in conclusion "Spare Me Child"

I want to discuss like adults but if your reasoning and reading comprehension is limited there is nothing to be done here.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 12:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"So you're saying I'm brainwashed into striving for moral correctness in comparison to political correctness."
No, you are brainwashed into thinking that what your saying is true.

What kind of bullshit is it to compare moral correctness to political correctness? I want politics to represent my morality, not the other way around. I have explained enough of my basis for my morality, and how I expand on it to for my political opinions. You just say that yours is based on right and wrong, or moral correctness or altruism, without showing any link to your political ideas.

Definitions are useless, if you cannot show your words to contain any meaning. Definitions are for describing the meaning of words. We should have the exact same ones, because that's just the rules of language.
You can just go to Cambridge Dictionary and search those words.
I'll agree, most of the time. There are some words that are used very broadly. The definition is than not very useful. The term 'socialism' is overused, to mean almost nothing anymore. If idiots think it's the exact same thing for Stalin, Hitler, Cuba, Venezuela, Iceland, Finland or my Socialist Party, then the term itself can't hold it's own.
I'm also not going to define terms that you pulled into the discussion.
They are not useful for me, to explain my ideas. If they are useful to you, it's your burden to show the significance of them. If defining them does that, go ahead. It doesn't explain anything besides what you think those terms mean. If you think the term 'democracy' means something else than what society has agreed it means, saying 'the US is not a democracy' might be correct for you, but not for the rest of society.

"Socialism gives all the power to the government."
If that is your definition, than understand that I want that government to
BE THE PEOPLE! I want everyone to be involved in deciding how to best organize that government. That's power for the people to control what you call the government.
It's exactly the opposite of the straw-men you keep repeating.

Meanwhile, you support Trump, who only wants people to cheer for him and do as they are told. Then he picks a bunch of loyalists for his GOVERNMENT, to rule over them and you, with an iron fist. He will be the leader of the COMMUNIST EMPIRE OF THE SEPARATED STATES.
He will rule it like Putin and Kim Jong-un, because that's what he likes about them. "We wrote beautiful love letters to each other!"

And you are sad little sucker for not seeing it.

You want a government that controls women's bodily autonomy.
You want a government that reduces sex to only reproduction.
You want a government that takes away IVF, if they do want a baby.
You want a government that controls who people may love.
That's 'giving all the power to the government'.

If the large majority of people want gun restrictions, that's DEMOCRACY!

The Constitution is a blue print for how to be a democracy.
You are correct that it wasn't the perfect expression of democracy, but a compromise, to the southern states who didn't want a democracy at all. That's why they introduced the Electoral College, which provides stronger votes for southern states. The better options, which were similar to what we have in Europe, were not agreed upon by those southern states.
So, you have a flawed democracy, but at least it was the first one.
There is some 'moral correctness' in it, but the GOAL of organizing a government that way was providing people with rights, so they wouldn't want to support some king from England or France, coming over to take power, which is harder when you distribute power over more people.
When you just have a king, the enemy can easily behead the king and announce themselves to be the new king. Trump wants to be king or emperor and you're the gullible idiots who would give away your own power to that king, because you think you have less power now.
The only argument you have is; it's not really a democracy anyway.
Yes, it is, the majority just doesn't agree with you.

"As long as you have abuse of power, lying, stealing and removing guns with freedom of speech the country is done. Our cities are destroyed and unlivable now." Absolute nonsense!
Maybe you should use Russia's system? Didn't Tucker Carlson show you how nice their subways, grocery stores and super market carts are?
That's a guy from your side, literally trying to sell you COMMUNISM
and then you accuse my side of it. You cannot make this stuff up.

"The bullshit comment about you in one country and kebmo in another country is used for deception, just like you say I'm one with more than one account and was Trump 2."
Of course you are, do you think you are fooling anyone?
You are saying the exact same things that you said as TS2.
You still lied about it though.

It's all PROJECTION; you accuse others of what you are doing yourself.

By #711639 at 11,Mar,24 21:45

By tecsan at 13,Mar,24 09:46 other posts of tecsan 

By #712250 at 16,Mar,24 00:07
This comment is in reply to Ananas2xLekker's posts.

Everything has been presented to you and plain. Yet you refuse to show transparency. Basically you are a con man that lacks total transparency to influence people you know is a lie.

I don't think you are stupid but smart with evil intentions. Your name appears to be consistent with a chronic fake maker throughout the years of the site in past. It doesn't make any difference to me. I could care less. You have not shown transparency. But I do and speak the truth.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 09:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are unwilling to even try to come up with any arguments, other than
personal attacks, but you say I'm the con man and refuse to show transparency.
Irony is lost on people like you.
By #712250 at 18,Mar,24 10:16
Go on? You are peddling stuff here first of all stuff you has no significance or is just a lie.
Just like my son. If I come to him with 4 oranges and show him with oranges where 2 +_2 =4. And he still doesn't believe me. it creates a thick wall. The same thing with. I swear if the story is true what you are saying I would agree with you.

You say you are telling the true but you're not yet you refuse to have an opened mind. You want socialism but nothing has ever worked with socialism in history yet you are adamant.. How conning is that trying to fool me into thinking what you are saying. Keep in mind this is not a personal attaco. I'm here to find truth. you want to accuse trump bring sound proof so far you don't have anything,

I give you my word it has not too much weight of your poor characcter, but heavy weight as a liar tactics to brainwash children and othr people hopefull so that americans hhave brought people under the bus. but ouu cover wor him yt blame trump which is a disgracce.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 12:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If it was all so obvious, you wouldn't need to say so, you could just show it.

I have an open mind to arguments, based on evidence and logic, not to a bunch of inconsistent claims, that you don't even provide the sources for, or any other reason to accept the truth of them.

Just like pure socialism, pure capitalism also has never worked in history before. There are still many socialist policies that HAVE WORKED to pull many people out of poverty and is still working in many countries, to provide their citizens with a much higher quality of life than the US, that doesn't have much of those policies.
But, you do you, and support politicians who want to destroy social security and medicare. Maybe old people will stop voting for Republicans, when they see their life made impossible. Or they'll just die and then they cannot vote for Republicans.
You can of course take care of your parents, like people did before 1935.
Then you can hope your son will do the same for you, when you are old.
But, if he doesn't believe that 2 oranges + 2 oranges are 4 oranges, I don't think he will be ABLE to take care of you in the future. Did he get one of your chromosomes in duplicate?

In any case, what type of economy I support has no relation to anything else we are discussing. Any subject requires it's own arguments, based on evidence and logic.

By #712250 at 18,Mar,24 10:28
Shit4 brains. you came first to treat me as bemg stupid. did ou ever think I was going to reject this/ fdifferemt O was moce at forst tjem gpt pissed off from being people to o for civil war?
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Mar,24 12:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're not even capable of writing something legible anymore.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 15:20 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
M ake
A ssholes
G one
A gain

Vote Dumbocrat.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 15:16 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Trump_supporter_7 posted on 15,Mar,24 02:46

I just banned CAT cuz of being a nazi.

how wrong you are. That pic with the Nazi Swastika was created by Sir-Skittles. I don’t like ANY type of repressive government or movement, not the Nazi, the Communist, not MAGA, nor any other.
However, being banned by you is a relief as I hate to see your 💩in any thread.

By #712250 at 15,Mar,24 06:46
I just banned CAT cuz of being a nazi

By #712250 at 15,Mar,24 06:43
Make america great again..

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
"We are a country of immigrants. They're not vermin," Biden said, referring to comments Trump made last year. Trump has also referred to immigrants "poisoning the blood of our country."

By #711639 at 12,Mar,24 21:31

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 01:17 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I just read below where Trump_supporter_6 wrote, "Bill clinton developed nato."

This guy is as ignorant as they come. TS6, there are Encyclopedia Britannica sets still available in the used books stores. Get a set and read some real facts. Didn't you go to school at all?
By phart at 11,Mar,24 02:20 other posts of phart 
nato came along after we saved europe in ww2.
I can't remember his name but 1 general wanted to go ahead and take over russia while we were close by and it didn't happen. Now look at the shit storm we are living in.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 03:48 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It was General Patton

By dgraff at 11,Mar,24 08:31 other posts of dgraff 
General George s Patton a battle strategist probably the best there ever was

By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 13:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Russia fought against the Nazis too, in WWII. They lost 27 million people.
And you think the US should have double-crossed them and conquered them?
On what principles do you even base your ideas?
By phart at 11,Mar,24 18:29 other posts of phart 
Apparently Patton had the foresight to see what russia would be come in the future and his thoughts were to prevent it.
BUT putin said at the start of his invasion of ukraine was to stop the nazi's.So perhaps it wasn't the best idea to invade russia.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Mar,24 10:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I have a foresight to see what America can become in the future,
but you are all running towards it with blinders on.

Whatever Putin says is pure propaganda. Whatever he says, hear the opposite.
He uses the term 'Nazi' to kill everyone he wants to kill, you use the term 'terrorist'.
By phart at 12,Mar,24 16:20 other posts of phart 
Well, um, nazi terrorist, is there that much difference between the 2 in the long term? I guess check with a holocaust survivor on that 1.
how can you verify every thing putin says is propaganda? or can you? Just because neither of us are happy with what he is doing does not mean everything he says or does is a lie .Just we don't agree.
Hitler was a evil ,brutal man. But some of his ideas changed the world in a positive way to this day, the Autobahn, the Beetle .And alot of the cancer treatment ideas were stolen after the war from research he directed. that was his biggest fear, dieing of cancer.
We never hear of those things credited to him because everyone hates him.

By Gntlmn at 11,Mar,24 13:21 other posts of Gntlmn 
For sure! He's shit stupid.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 21:50 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
G’day Mate?🤣🤣😈

By #711639 at 12,Mar,24 02:17
Proof on the definition of socialism. All of you are a bunch of cunting dumbasses.
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By #711639 at 07,Mar,24 21:11
Any predictions on the biden speech tonight? I don't think its going to be abraham lincoln that's for damn sure.. I begged the aliens from another planet to take him back to planet fucktard but they said no way.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 22:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, you will call it the ramblings of a senile old man.
By #711639 at 07,Mar,24 22:15
Name anything he has said where he was transparent about anything. Especially the time where he got kicked out of the Vatican for taking a shit on the floor.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 22:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I have never seen him not be transparent. He actually answers serious questions.
How old was he when he took a shit on the Vatican floor?
If he was 3, OK, if he was an adult man, as an atheist, I would find that based!
By #711639 at 07,Mar,24 23:39
3 years ago since that accident they made him wear a diaper but the Vatican was fit to be tied and forbidden him to roam the land. Now they show his face when in his diaper he makes one big giant poopy.. How would you like it if someone came over and took a shit on your floor?

Transparent eh? "I've never meddled in my sons business" "I'm sitting here with my father waiting for your reply. If we don't get our money the shit is coming down" Message to china-- Well this shit did come down.. In the vatican for sure..

Socialists are atheists. The meaning of a country or by definition is not the same comparing us. That's why we disagree. I wasn't surprised when you said this. Therefore, you look at governments and countries logically and not inspirationally. We can't talk about democracy and utopia with each other because you have no common frame of reference. You have nothing to compare it to and that's why it doesn't make any sense to you.

You look at it through logic only, no inspiration, no under God. Just numerically.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OK, at least I knew what to look for now, because for people who are not in the right-wing conspiracy corners of the internet, this is not a thing. The sourse of this story is Chairwoman Amy Tarkanian claiming that the unusually long meeting with the Pope, the day prior, may have been caused by a “bathroom accident” involving the president. That's what your side turns into shitting on the Vatican floor and them making him wear a diaper. You are all so immature.

If you actually have some evidence, than I'm very much willing to accept it. It's not like the family of politicians never misuse that fact to improve their own status in life. But you randomly quoting lines that you're not even linking to sources, is not evidence.

"Socialists are atheists. The meaning of a country or by definition is not the same comparing us."
Is this supposed to represent something I said? I happen to be a socialist and an atheist, but there is no link between those life views, other than that I base them both on rationality and humanism. True, I try to base almost everything on logic, even compassion, because I think compassion makes the world better. But all of it is inspired by this idea: I want the world to be a better place and I want humanity to survive. Why would I want this? Just 'numerically'? Do you want this? Is that a common frame of reference? If so, is that enough to base a discussion on?

Do you think democracy makes the world better? I do. So does my Socialist Party.
But, why support someone who praises the least democratic leaders in the world, like Viktor Orbбn, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un and Mohammed bin Salman?
I have never heard Trump praise any democratic leader, as much as he praises all of these authoritarian monsters. Do you define democracy differently?

I think utopia is a fantasy; one person's utopia is another person's hell.
The best we can do is respect people's human dignity, provide everyone with the basic necessities for life and self development, respect other people's rights and freedoms, and do our best to work together to achieve those goals.

You might be correct that we are incapable of understanding each other.
That common frame of reference is facts. If we cannot agree on facts and reality itself, it will be hard to agree on opinions about them.

I think a belief in a god is limiting, not inspirational; it reduces all the questions in life and fascination about the complexity of nature and reality, to one simple answer: "God did it!". I prefer searching for the truth, over having the answers.

"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt. I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
-- Richard Feynman

By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:14 other posts of phart 

Eh, I think when he met the Pope it scared the shit out of him.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 02:24
He thought it was the poop, not pope I suppose.
By phart at 08,Mar,24 02:30 other posts of phart 
biden pooped in the presence of the pope.
thankfully the pope didn't slip and fall in it.

By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:33 other posts of phart 
planet fucktard launched him out of their solar system!
The ending moments of Star Trek, Changling has a better idea, beam him out and CAPPLOOY
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It has became obvious a certain gentleman has been posting here and I can't see him without logging out. Why hide? skeered ? you musta banned me ,that means I can't read your insults. must not be your photos on your album page, that person has gonads.
Just because we don't agree on anything doesn't mean you have to hide from me. we are miles apart,don't know each other, no real danger of either of us harming the others reputation except on this forum, so why are you hiding?

By Gntlmn at 08,Mar,24 03:11 other posts of Gntlmn 
Keep gulping Putin's diarrhea, little naziboy coprophagia addict.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 04:22
Im sorry did you say something... what a dope. It would have been a terrible bad thing if I was to deprive you of Putin diarrhea food supply of pig shit. Seriously. what are you a fucking moron? With your shit mouth I gave you some toilet paper to clean ya ass, or mouth.. Dope.
Putin was complacent until biden stole the election.,,no ukraine, iran, putin, china.. now we are one switch away from nuklear war I hope you are close to one of them
By Gntlmn at 08,Mar,24 10:16 other posts of Gntlmn 
All you have to do is put the muzzle of a .357 revolver against the roof of your mouth, pull the trigger and enjoy. You can even fantasize that it's Putin's dick.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 17:59
So who brought you up. You're fucking mother?
a 73 year old shit for brain trailor park fucktard full of hate. What a waste. Did your mother bring you up or were you born and raised on a pig farm pen of pig shit. I gather it was choice B. You're just waiting for death and a wasted filth of flesh animal better off not breathing not only for yourself but for your victims you even come close with contact. The best thing you can do for the best is to just die. A sad sorry excuse of excrement.
You're fucking disease waiting to be just not existent anymore.

By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 18:04
Fuck your fucking mother. Fucking dogshit sucker.
By Gntlmn at 08,Mar,24 18:16 other posts of Gntlmn 
You flunked 2nd grade English, little buttfucker of dead babies.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 20:13
Is that why you picked and ate pinworms from pigshit or when you suck the maggots out of your dead mothers cunt?

By Cody8789 at 07,Mar,24 23:48 other posts of Cody8789 
I don’t want Biden or trump to win, can’t the people just run this country,,, let’s start by rounding up all the illegal aliens that are here and booting them all out.
By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:13 other posts of phart 
Well if you think about it, considering how little biden has done that is a positive for the country, we have ran without leadership for 3 years now. and the car is bouncing off the guard rails.
By Cody8789 at 08,Mar,24 01:16 other posts of Cody8789 
I really dont understand with election year coming up, why hes not trying to get voters to vote for him, is he really out of his mind like alot of people are saying.
By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:27 other posts of phart 
He thinks his record will get him reelected .Plus using what they learned in 2016 and 2020 the cheaters are on notice to try even harder.
I sorda in a way feel sorry for what I guess you could call moderate democrats. they don't have a president or anyone running that has any business outside a looney bin.

By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 18:07
That's what the Trump is trying to do. Give the power to the people. What else do you want?
By Cody8789 at 08,Mar,24 21:41 other posts of Cody8789 
I personally heard trump say he wants to dismantle nato, I can go on, but I don’t have the time. I don’t want that, he says a lot of stupid stuff that’s not good for us. He also sais stuff I’m for. If he would learn to keep his mouth shut and talk like a real human being he might get 75% of the vote.
By #711639 at 08,Mar,24 22:02
He's doing fine. The only reason you believe what you hear is from fake news. Nato was a terrible idea because it stole from the taxpayer. The idea is one thing but how it is used for is another. Not much better than the iran deal.

You know nothing about NATO or the UN. The idea is fine but for what its used for is another. Sort of like a money laundering scheme to promote freedom for child sex trafficking. If you want to be a democrat fine its just that its not what it was before 1988 not to say its a different idea. Know the history and compare that to evil. The use the UN and NATO for money laundering schemes to cover up their crimes... There is no other reason its used for other than the UN propaganda is Israel committing genocide..Nato and UN need to be dismantled. Period.

If you open your mind coupled with the idea for a good "Just Country" know the facts. I know what they use that for and its not to donate to the red cross or the greater good.
By phart at 09,Mar,24 02:55 other posts of phart 
I won't go as far as believing all that child trafficking stuff, can't say it aint so but i don't think it is.
BUT I do agree, nato is not in America's best interest. Until Trump held their feet to the fire, we were footing most of the cost of defense of europe. Not fair to the American people.
Fix nato or break loose from it and the paris agreement.
Neither help us,only hinder us.
By #711639 at 09,Mar,24 07:25
child trafficking is real and more promenent with the jourmey goimg to america as well as isolated remote areas in america.
the jourmey consists of hijackers, drug cartels and bandits. They know the people going to americaa are poor and promise mothers they would take care of their children for a given price. Once in their hands they do what they want and sell them to the highest bidder for sex slavery. So suffering in not only on the border but on the journey as well.

By Cody8789 at 09,Mar,24 05:39 other posts of Cody8789 
Wrong, I know the difference between fake news and not, and if you would have listened to what I said, I said I heard him say it personally not from your so called fake news, try listening to what I’m saying. You know nothing about what I know so your statement has no merrit--------------------------------------- added after 9 minutesI was in Hialeah at Ted Hendricks stadium for trumps rally and I heard what I heard from trump himself
By #711639 at 09,Mar,24 07:20
Fake news is real and political. this is not journalism Cody. I really don't know what to tell you since you've made your mind up.
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what were his words exactly. Bill O'reilly would have covered this since he is an intependent.

By #711639 at 09,Mar,24 07:33
First of all be nice, k?
Bill clinton developed nato. Since that time our jobs went overseas so less jobs with higher cost of living. Bill Clinto was a p edophile frequently visiting pizza gate and l olita express of jeffrey epsteins island that needed ways to launder money and coverup his crimes. The other atrocious crime was developing the clinton foundation for money laundering and selling top classified documents to the highest bidder. So jobs leaving our country especially after 911 because of him and bush I went from upper middle class to dirt poor. Comey did say she had unauthorized possession of classified documents but didn't press charges which proves they both committed the highest acts of treason. When her server was suppoenad to appear in court she disregarded the suppoena by deleting 30000 emails. if you don't like trump vote democrat if biden goes off the ballot.
I'm not stupid cody and i don't bullshit. Up to this point everything Trump has said as to every intention of journalizing information has always checked out.

However if you just don't like him then don't like him. Donald trump is the best president for the job since abraham Lincoln. I know you are very oversensitive about things and if you want to vote for a democrat other than joe biden then go right ahead and do so or not to vote at all.
By Cody8789 at 11,Mar,24 04:19 other posts of Cody8789 
NATO was developed in 1949, bill clinton was three years old.
By #711639 at 11,Mar,24 04:29
It was an idea in 1949 developed and it was an idea for the greater good or at least from the surface. Not what it has become. They use the same name pretending it is Pius and just. The name is all what it is left. You are smarter than this. C;mon. NAFTA clinton developed.

The demofuck_tards use the word democracy but use it in politics NOT by its definition. Don't just talk bad about someone with generalizations then suddenly disappear. If you are going to say bullshit at least show data confirming your conclusion.

You didnt answer my question about what Trump said. What did he say? Did he say anything you didn't like or has the cat got your tongue?..lol

You came in here giving accusations about Donald Trump.. This is the 2nd time I've asked you. Take your personal hatred away for 2 seconds to evaluate. As president he did everything right except choose is cabinet unwisely. So far it is determined though critical reasoning Trump is not guilty of anything. When you get offended and pissed off it is because its a truth you already know but are not emotionally ready to deal with it.
By Cody8789 at 11,Mar,24 04:35 other posts of Cody8789 
Gees, all you have to do is google trumps speeches on what he said about nato, I’m not going to get in a word war, just google his speeches.
By #711639 at 11,Mar,24 04:45
You still haven't answered and I did google.

By dgraff at 08,Mar,24 22:21 other posts of dgraff 
He doesn’t think he needs to go after voters he’s backed by the democratic machine
MR and MR Obama
The Clinton’s
And The Biden family
By #711639 at 09,Mar,24 00:39
Very true,, the fake news liars are doing the campaigning for him. Last night he was very drugged up. A shell of a man he never was.
By phart at 09,Mar,24 03:10 other posts of phart 
I haven't tried to see any of the speech.
I feel sure he was on steroids and other pills, just to keep him upright .and probably had his ear peice in.
"Breath in, breath out, read the teleprompter, breath in, breath out, read the teleprompter, you are doing good joe ,breath in, breath out"

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 03:50 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Even if you are right, Dgraff, how much can they do? You live in a delusional world.

By phart at 08,Mar,24 18:39 other posts of phart 
It has became obvious a certain "gentleman" has been posting here and I can't see him without logging out. Why hide? skeered ? you musta banned me ,that means I can't read your insults. must not be your photos on your album page, that person has gonads. My guess is a leo alter profile.
Just because we don't agree on anything doesn't mean you have to hide from me. we are miles apart,don't know each other, no real danger of either of us harming the others reputation except on this forum, so why are you hiding?

By phart at 08,Mar,24 01:36 other posts of phart 
I am not going to watch the state of the union address, I usally do but this year all I have to do is look around me to know things are simply FUCKED.I don't need a grey haired,old racist,**** reminding me of how bad it is.
BUT I must say i am curious as to how in these last moments before they prop him up on stage,what pills are they giving him? Are they giving him pep talks like " GO JOE you can do this buddy and we promise you can sleep late in the morning. and watch saturday cartoons the next day!

By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Mar,24 09:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yeah, the true free speech warriors:
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By #711639 at 05,Mar,24 01:02
has anyone seen Trump_supporter pr Trump_supporter_2

By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 20:16
CAT and I got into it. She called me a jerk.. then when I said she sent me the message to Get my penis circumcised down to my balls it was an antisemitic attack. Skittles can verify this. Now she is in denial. This went viral and she quadrupled down in public forum telling me to castrate myself. She is the most hated fake on the site and will all out putting the site into legal jeopardy.
She called me a racist so I put rats on her page. Now she is the victim and pretending I was in the wrong.
By #681164 at 22,Feb,24 20:35
CAT is my wife and I’m pretty much into her stuff. She didn’t call you you a jerk. She even said so in this same thread:
“ I did not call you a jerk. I called Trump a jerk and, I think, I can just by bringing up ONE thing about him. He raped a woman. This is not conjecture. It’s true and ratified by a court of law. There’s many more “things” but, that’s enough. Are you going to refute that or are you going to exit stage left and counter with your usual platitudes?”—CAT
As far as Sir-Skittles is concerned, Trump is considered a very truthful person compared to him
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BTW, you are a racist and you can send any amount of trash gifts. I don’t care.
By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 23:12
She told me at one time To circumcize my penis until it is balls deep after telling her I was a jew and all because we disagreed.. She sqw my penis and saw it was circumcised.That is antisemetic and unacceptable.. Twowamth and hotpussy is her precious aliases. This is unaccesible. She said that jerk meaning it was for me so I took it as meant for me. How you married her is up to you but what she did to me is unacceptable, I have witnesses. If you continue to stalk and harass me over this subject is a token of your character too. Just stay out of it. She banned me? Tell her to keep me banned.

You married her, you love her. What she did was wrong. How you behave will show character based on truth. You don't even know me. She went passed the line and she did it at least 4 times called me a filthy jew. I have witnesses.
By #681164 at 23,Feb,24 16:40
You must be SirFrog or something like that. That’s the only one she lost her temper with and the only one she said what she said to. I’m not harassing or stalking you. I’m just commenting on my wife. Being circumcised in the US doesn’t mean you are Jewish. Practically every American male is circumcised. She has been with circumcised males.
You, for some reason, get all riled up about what is obviously, your religious ancestry. Get off your high horse. Now me? I don’t care who or what you are, so, you can take a 20 foot walk on a 10 foot pier for all I care. She banned you so she won’t give you a second thought. That’s the end.
By #709631 at 23,Feb,24 22:45
I don't give a fuck about you or her. . You deserve each others excrement. Your fucking trailor park fucktard wife fucked with the wrong Jew. You're next, you got it or do I have to spell it out another way?
By #681164 at 23,Feb,24 22:55
You spell what ever you want. Maybe, you’ll get lucky and say something worthwhile. Am I allowed to say, “I understand why she called you a dirty fucking Jew”? I hope so.
By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 03:11
trump_supporter_2. You're wasting your time, you are dealing with a retard

By Sir-Skittles at 23,Feb,24 12:32 other posts of Sir-Skittles 
get your facts from somewhere more reliable than The View

Trump was NOT convicted of ****. It was not even a criminal trial.

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point. Despite Carroll's claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense.
By #681164 at 23,Feb,24 16:42
The implications are there. How come you people accept Biden actions without proof but won’t take the opinions of a judge in a civil trial? Double standards?
By phart at 27,Feb,24 20:00 other posts of phart 
liberal judges ,biased justice system. I don't trust either.
By #681164 at 29,Feb,24 16:04
Your loss, Mr Phart. Not having some confidence in our judicial system must make you a very afraid individual. Do you fear the law will knock on your door and take you in for not trusting them?
By phart at 29,Feb,24 17:55 other posts of phart 
I don't shiver in fear of it no.
BUT at the same time i don't push my luck by habitually breaking the law to find out how they would treat me either.
But in 1 example, Twice here in my state the voters approved Voter ID laws. the last time, 1 judge, ONE JUDGE, decided it was wrong and stopped it, just in time for joe biden to be elected.
NOW that the damage is done, somehow his ruling got over turned and we FINALLY now have voter ID.
I feel more comfortable voting now because I know it will be more difficult to fraud the system in my state.
But judges do things like this all over the country. And or let criminals off the hook because of technicality's. only for them to commit more crimes.
I guess you could say a lack of confidence is a better way to discribe how i feel about the justice system than lack of trust, but they run hand in hand.
By #681164 at 01,Mar,24 18:45
Do you feel a “technicality” should be ignored and the defendant be convicted anyway? If so, who would determine what is a technicality and what is not? My question leads to this, suppose the cops install an illegal tap on your phone and they hear you confess to a crime, should a judge throw out the evidence because it was illegally obtained? Most technicalities exist to protect the rights of the accused. It’s a matter of that pesky document known as The Constitution. You know that document. It’s the one that guarantees freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, no cruel and unusual punishment and protection from illegal search and seizure.
Another thing, since you’ve brought it up, in the “Joe Biden” election, how many fake voters do you estimate voted for one of the two candidates? Do you believe that Biden won your distric with fake voters? Is there a possibility that the margin of victory for Biden could have been much larger if all those fake MAGA voters hadn’t voted for Trump?
It’s a slippery slope, my friend.
By phart at 01,Mar,24 21:24 other posts of phart 
I can't fix the past and if evidence was found that wrong doing took place that democrats couldnt' fuckup, it's to late to undo the damage.
All I can do is vote on march 5th in the primary and in november. and know my vote is not going to be stolen or faked
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By #711639 at 04,Mar,24 05:19
and you will not be pushed around. What a moron..

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Mar,24 22:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Jimmy Kimmel pranked Trumpsters. Damn, they are dishonest.
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It would be impossible to get me like that, because I vote for decent and smart people
and what's more important, I don't change my opinions based on the side it applies to.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 16:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Anyone who has donated to this cause has Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Trump has been scamming his workers, subcontractors, customers, business associates, lawyers and the taxpayer all his life. For the people who want to help him pay his deserved punishment; he thinks of you as his stupid little bitches and he's correct.
He has been scamming dumb-asses like you his whole life.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:27 other posts of phart 
So if someone you support has been unjustly punished, you do nothing?
There was no crime, no victims, no losses, no harm.
Just some liberals trying to destroy someone they don't like.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 15:28 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, unjustly punished is your opinion, unless, you think this country has no legal systems anymore.
By tecsan at 22,Feb,24 04:53 other posts of tecsan 
CAT I really think you should read Amendment XIII and Amendment XXV.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Feb,24 15:56 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Ok, now what? You are convicted of a crime, you do the time. The vice-prez, along with some uppity ups in government think the President should be removed? Ok.
What does this have to do with Trump losing a civil trial that acknowledges that he raped a woman?
By tecsan at 23,Feb,24 06:21 other posts of tecsan 
CAT I do believe that you should read above. Joey is violating A13S1 by allowing people to come here as servants, sex trafficked etc. Now that is slavery, Wake Up. Oops forgot you are probably already WOKE.

Oh, biden does the crime but is found mentally incapable of facing a judge and jury.

According to your remarks about Trump, he could claim the same.

You should look up Amendment VIII.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 28,Feb,24 16:18 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
He’s not allowing anything. Is the mayor of your city liable if you crash your car because he makes sure the roads are maintained?
You, MAGA’s, are truly reaching. No matter. It looks like, barring a catastrophe, that the Clown will challenge the incumbent. That is perfect. It’s much easier to win if the challenger is a criminal idiot.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Feb,24 21:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No crime?
- 34 felony counts over falsifying business records to conceal hush-money payments
- 40 felony counts in Florida related to the classified documents
- 4 felony counts in Washington related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election
- 13 felony counts in Georgia related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election

He was already found liable for sexual abuse, liable, fraud, conspiracy, issuing false financial statements and falsifying business records.

Since when do sexual abuse and liable not make victims?
He did the conspiracy, issuing false financial statements and falsifying business records TO ENRICH HIMSELF, to the disadvantage of business associates, the capitalist system that you value so much, the competition and the tax-payer.
He is nothing but a lowlife thief, the type of person that you fantasize about murdering.
By #709631 at 21,Feb,24 23:06
No crime.
This has already been covered. Are you going around in circles again? Just look at you go
.. Like curly twirling on the floor when he forgets his lines. I have better things to do today .
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 21:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And you denying obvious facts, again and again and again.
And you not ever finding any reason or argument for anything you say.
Do you really have anything useful to do? You are 100% useless here.
Even your profile is as pristine as your virginity.

By phart at 22,Feb,24 00:13 other posts of phart 
to what disadvantage? Banks didn't have to loan him money. they did and got paid back.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Feb,24 16:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok, Phart, go to the local bank to get a loan on your property. Tell them your property is worth twice as much as it actually is. If, after they give you a loan, even if you are paying it off, they find out you lied, they can turn you in to the authorities. You could end up in jail.
The banks, even though they got paid back, were NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO TURN DOWN THE LOAN based on the application.
You also forget that if, based on the loan amount, the city re-evaluates properties around his and decide to do so at a greater value, their property taxes would go up. You think this is right? How about if the bank has a yearly budget and this loan keeps the bank from lending to some other borrowers?
What he did was ILLEGAL.
What you are saying is if you take a shot in anger at someone and you miss, well, no harm done. Let’s go home.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:17 other posts of phart 
NOt given the chance to turn it down? BULL SHIT.
Banks are NOT required to loan money.And they do their home work. When I applied for a 3000 dollar personal loan a couple years ago, they knew everything about me in a short order. I had a credit score well over 800 so it was not a issue. i can borrow way more than i make! not a good thing but hey, if medical bills come up,at least I can get some help.
But anyway, they know if a property is worth x or xx amount before they loan, they don't take the borrowers word.

By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 20:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
When Hunter Biden was indicted for tax fraud, did you say "no crime, no victims,
no losses, no harm"?
Trump has committed 100x the tax fraud for many decades.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:18 other posts of phart 
I don't recall saying much about it either way, except in regard to the double standards of justice shown to Trump and to a current presidents son.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 10:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump has to pay a fine, Hunter is/was facing prison.
That's the double standards of justice.
By phart at 23,Feb,24 12:31 other posts of phart 
No that is the democrats taking advantage of Trump and giving hunter a break because he hasn't sold enough of his "art" to make that kind of money.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 17:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Hunter didn't stand trial for getting paid to much for his Burisma job or his art, but for tax evasion. He can still be found guilty. I would have no problem with that. However, when cheating on your taxes are a criminal offense, that applies to Trump just as much or more.

So far, I have not seen any allegations about Hunter falsifying business records. He probably filed an incorrect tax return, but that way less of a crime than keeping separate business records, for taxes and loans. Trump even created records for business loans that didn't exist. That's all criminal fraud and Trump is lucky to only be held accountable in civil court.
By #709631 at 28,Feb,24 08:16
You have to understand I am educated but what makes it harder to debate like this for you is that I've learned to be objective, centered with a common frame of reference. I am not perfect. I make mistakes but I don't consider my mistakes to be failures. I'm always learning.

I have my Batchlors degree is radiological sciences with a minor in humanities. So I understand physics, mathematics, logic and critical reasoning. When I formulate a hypothesis I don't say a word without investigating. I don't just say I'm right you are wrong, and your assumptions are baseless.

Make no mistake before I say a word I make sure with research then I form evidence to support my synopsis. You misunderstand me but I suppose most do. I just don't rely on journalism with links, jerry springer and collecting the most followers. If a politician gets more people to follow him he was the most convincing but it by no means he is the most right.

What do I mean right? Logic may have something to do with it but here in this case logic is not the determinant. You need a common frame of reference to understand one side of another. Further when you know critical reasoning well you can tell who is lying and who is speaking the truth. It does require talent and I do mean this empathically. The nation is the heart of its people. I can tell when someone is composing. What do I mean by that? How you express from the heart. Leadership demands that. Not just by reading a book. You won't learn it that way. Reading the book may make it even more difficult sometimes but when topics require reasoning from what you feel is right it doesn't necessarily mean logic is the answer. Chances are it isn't. Sometimes yes usually no.

A good leader speaks the truth, he motivates, and he tries bonding with the people of a nation. Whether its a country or a group. Say sporting team or family members. He tries keeping everyone together as one so we can succeed as a nation. When he is in front of his nation he is composing. This is the best way. Not everyone has it.

A leader is the next step up from the politician. A leader leads. He creates a path for success, and he needs everyone's help. He provides inspiration. He preaches Love each other and stand up and be proud who you are and what you represent. Don't hate. Don't show anger. Hate, anger weakens you. It always does. Believe in yourselves. He needs everyone.

A politician is a sales man trying to convince you to trust giving him the power to choose the path for the country. How he will use your tax dollars to do what he wants. A leader knows power comes with a responsibility. While a liar fools you into giving him power so he can take advantage.. But he does it in a way convincing you the other man is the bad guy. convincing you he is incompetent. The PROBLEM WITH HIM is that he is just as incompetent for example Joe Biden. Total incompetence but he tries to convince you he knows what he is doing and Donald trump is the bad guy.but I've seen everything I need to know.

If you want to debate me you are welcomed to say I am wrong. Welcome to challenge my choices. BUT don't you ever take an opposition without supporting your claim with evidence to verify your outcomes. Just to say I'm baseless, dumb with noing added to support then it shows your level of education. Its amateur and flimsy I don't want it to be like that. I want us to work things out but it will never work if it is not done correctly. So far Im still waiting your evidence to support. That's my question to you So far you've demonstrated absolutely nothing as to why socialism is better than democracy.

When you learn humanities which you haven't. You make observations, you form a hypothesis, you gather data, you use your education and experience with the data collected to come to a conclusion. If done correctly you reach the level of being sound.

So far up to this point all I heard from you is what Trump did and he is guilty. I laugh at this. You've spoken nothing

You claim socialism is the best way but you have yet to prove to me why it is better than democracy. Not ONE THING OR EXAMPLE.. You just don't have a case or validation on anything. Let's see what you can do from here. Remember the world is watching
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Feb,24 21:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There is so much in this post that I agree with, that it is very strange how much we constantly disagree.

A Bachelors degree in radiological sciences should give you a good basis in the scientific method. You need to make an assessment in what you observe and not on prejudices. It is however possible that you make your assessments very much automatically, based on your knowledge, without really thinking about it. When you do things so often, it becomes second nature, instead of a conscious process.

My bachelor’s degree in biotechnology is only the basis of my familiarity with the scientific method. My current job is based on 10 years of practical experience in bio-process production and 10 years of experience in facilitating that process and my former colleagues on the fields of innovation (new products, new processes, new systems, new technological advancements like big data and AI, new collaboration standards), investigating and solving quality and safety issues, designing or cooperating in designing process equipment and safety tools, writing protocols, doing feasibility studies, writing reports, editing quality standards and procedures, editing process instructions and documentation and training people. Everything I do needs to be discussed with specialists in their field and supervisors of different departments. All of them have different responsibilities and priorities, but everyone works under the same standards for safety, quality, efficiency, transparency and rationality. There are many differences of opinion to solve in every issue or project, but the arguments are based on facts and reasoning. Anyone who uses arguments based on trust, gut feelings, personal attacks, claiming that something is obvious or routine, will have a weak case in supporting their position. These discussions don’t have the goal of being right, but of coming to the best decision. I find my arguments to be very productive to that end result. Often the discussion results in the plan that I started the meeting with, but I work with very smart people who often improve upon what I planned. Sometimes they have a brilliant idea that I immediately adapt and incorporate in the plan. Likewise, my colleagues come to me for improving their plans. That’s how good decisions are made. Then we have a plan, but the next challenge is to justify the plan to the quality department. They require completely different arguments; it’s not based on why the plan is the most efficient and effective, they want justification that we are allowed to do it. They want evidence that all the standards are maintained and the process still delivers the same product. All of that is based on the scientific method.
I have been in the position to follow many courses, payed for by my employer. They range from general continuous innovation (lean), very early in my employment, to process excellence (six sigma), root cause analysis and analysis based problem solving, planning techniques, a specific cooperation methodology, EHS&S intermediate certificate, and Certified Ergonomist.

I agree, a good leader speaks the truth. And when they do, they are transparent and consistent. They do not evade answering questions, they do not have weak excuses and the do not make one claim now and a completely different contradictory claim later.
Still, I have a problem with leaders in the first place. No people get humanity or smaller organization into trouble like leaders. I’ve seen it during my career all the time; no people violate our principles and standards as much as our leaders. No people make decisions on intuition and lacking deliberation as much as leaders. No people take less responsibility for their actions than leaders. If they were employees, they would get very low appraisal or get fired. They certainly have talents, but they higher they are the worse their decisions are.

I think politics in my own country sucks, but yours has been declining to the lowest level. If you understand how smart, organized, dedicated people can cooperate to come to the best solution, like I do, politics (especially yours) looks like a bunch of children bickering over marbles, while the bullies steal all of them.

While working in an incredibly capitalist market, big pharma, I developed my principles that are the basis of my socialism. That’s because in my company cooperation is very important, but also because I see how much profit is made from selling incredibly expensive medicines to people who really need them. These profits go to people who have not contributed to the company I work for in the least. They are just wealthy families who breed insufferably spoiled children, with a bad case of entitlement and distain for the lower class, who just hire some professionals to do their bidding and maximize profits for them. At least our wealthy spoiled brats have a long-term profit strategy, which makes working for them bearable. I don’t have a choice but to work under a capitalist system, so I make the best of it, but I would support my market sector being socialized wholeheartedly. When the system doesn’t have to enrich a bunch of useless selfish people, the medicines can be much cheaper.

When you want my arguments for why socialism is better than democracy, you don’t understand either. Socialism is the extreme version of democracy. Instead of getting to vote on some people controlling politics and working for people who you cannot vote for at all, I support democratizing everything. No more people who have all the money to bribe politicians to do their bidding, but sharing the ownership of our working places and having direct democratic control over how humanity utilizes the public capital. Maybe you would understand it better, if we don’t call it ‘socialism’ and ‘social capitalism’ would be more to your liking.
I have been getting personally involved in politics for a while now. As an active member in the Socialist Party, I have direct democratic influence in voting for our representatives, drawing up the party principles and election manifestos. The Socialist Party in The Netherlands is the most democratic party of all, and we have a lot of them. Meanwhile, several political organizations who have seats in our house and senate are not even officially political parties. They don’t have members and their funding is not transparent. The are basically lobby organizations. But somehow you have been convinced that socialism is the opposite from democracy and I don’t think any argument can change your opinion.
By #709631 at 28,Feb,24 23:56
I don't agree with your definition of socialism . I understand it greatly what is and why it results are. I'm approaching my elderly years of experience the difference between socialism and democracy and the results of both as time shows. you have had 6000 years to probe history to find any evidence of how society as a whole has benefitted over the coarse of time other than being in corruption resulting in death...

Name one society under socialism within the last 6000 years has flourished? YOu still have no answered or even acknowledged this.

Politics destroys countries eventually. Its proven through time and I don't give a shit what they say. Politics will destroy us. You say my country is declining. Indeed but it never was a country to begin with. Oh the constitution and bill of rights show that this is a country for the people. But its not.

Leadership is based on 2 things. Transparency and the desire to get rid of politics. To not only survive but to thrive. Politics destroys, Moral transparency thrives. For us as a species we are not ready as a whole to understand this idea of growth of a nation. It's not just for the people as a whole but when you understand the molecular structure it comes down to the person. There education is just so important. For personal independence by the utilization of resources not only for a singularity but with each other.

As a species we are not ready to grow because of politics and corruption. Over the course of time in our history we have learned to destroy more than what we have created which is absolutely nothing. To be thankful what we have is ignored with the notion of wanting more. even if it means to destroy others. Our species is doomed along with any other living organism on earth. There is still time but it is dwindling.

Biotechnology is interesting. I'd like to learn more about it. If you experienced in understanding mathematical functions with sequences and series you can uae probability to plot through statistics where our species is headed. The human being is the only known organism that is egoist. It is the only organism that kills for no reason. Anti Darwin murder. This is where we are headed. Socialism is NOT the answer and it never has proven its worthiness..
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Feb,24 16:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You don't agree with my definition of socialism?

I'm the socialist here, member of the Socialist Party.
I define socialism exactly the same way my party defines it
and what constitutes their body of principles.

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How the hell do you define 'politics'?
"Politics will destroy us"?
Politics is just the activity that politicians do.
Politicians should be our representatives. Voters voted for them.
We do that, because civilization needs to be organized to function and
democracy is the best form of organization we invented to do that.

I would say that political corruption is this: politicians serving their own selfish goals, instead of representing their voters. How would you define corruption?

Just because your politics is completely corrupt doesn't means it's that corrupt everywhere. Our votes still matter. Our political parties are all very different from each other. When political parties get enough votes and find other parties they can cooperate with, they actually work together and find compromises between all the different issues that they promised to work for, for their voters. That's how you organize a democratic country; a mixture of the most popular opinions of the citizens shaping the policies that affect them.

The problem of our species is that we are growing, in numbers.
We are like locusts eating everything in our path, leaving a wasteland.
That's why we better grow the fuck up, before we destroy ourselves.

Did you just answer one of my previous questions?
"solidarity vs selfishness. Which is right, which is wrong?"

Humanity pulled itself away from survival of the fittest. We can never go back.
The only way we survive is now outgrowing our residual brutal nature.
That's only achievable by maximum cooperation.
That's what socialism means to me and what my party propagates.
Capitalism is maximizing selfish interests. It's destroying humanity.

By #709631 at 29,Feb,24 02:27
First time I've heard you give impressive detail on analysis. Based on experience you create a hypothesis, study it further then come to a conclusion based on analysis. Easy. If your analysis is consistent with your hypothesis it forms a theory. If you can't find anything to counter and the research reaches purity then the hypothesis is a sound argument. It can't be disputed. It becomes the norm and fact based on ethical and moral law. Pure truth.

I just find it so hard to understand why liberals believe left wing progressives when they lie all the time, slander and don't come up with a plan that would productive for citizens on a nation. They won't tell you. All they do is blame without solution. The fake news is used to target groups that are angry, they don't take responsibility for their actions in order to reason properly. Why do you think education is heavily controlled left wing districts are so weak in that? They don't want you to reason or think with clarity. They want you to hate and blame the other guy no matter what evidence is shown. The "politicians" use race card theory to divert attentions on key issues. Why do they do it? Easy they do it not for the nation- they do it for themselves. I do not define leadership that way. This is politics. They do not teach you how to use logic and your feelings in finding solution. There is a saying that the hand, the mind and the heart when joined together they create perfect harmony.. I agree with this statement. The left wing makes sure that joining does not occur.

Here is a link that gives my true definition of a country. Comparing good and evil. This to me is a country. A country that to this day does not exist.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Feb,24 17:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are telling me that I need to study my hypothesize further to come to a conclusion of truth, and then you present your second paragraph?
My god man, that's the fever dream of a mental patient.
Half of it is projection and the other half is nonsense.
I do not even know where to begin. One thing is; present your evidence!
It's full of claims, but lacking in facts. I am sure you think it's all facts, but that's only because you have been told this over and over.

I will look at your link later. My definition of a country is just a piece of the earth, controlled by a unified government, separated from other piece of the earth, controlled by a unified government, based on conflicts and eventual agreements between those governments. I see absolutely no morality associated with the meaning of a country, other than that agreements between countries stabilize the conflicts over places to live for people.

By #709631 at 29,Feb,24 02:47
Germany was considered monsters, extermination of Jews, Gypsies. homosexuals and other political prisoners that did not agree with their ideology of which were deemed as a threat. Extermination by which of the final solution. When I saw this skillful argument of the defense there was truth in this. The true enemy of this terrible evil is civilization. He gives examples and his hypothesis forms into theory. My opinion on what he says is sound.
But looking at a logical perspective is not always the correct way of looking at. No. It comes down to a single human being with the atomic structure all the way to the top. Leaders are given power with trust. Trust is so important, or the nation cannot survive in harmony. There is not one instance where power comes with responsibility. The more powerful you are in essence requires equal responsibility of doing the right thing.
To me this is learning. Analysis of moral versus political correctness.
Here...it shows germany's guilt is the worlds guilt. There is truth here.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Feb,24 17:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do I understand here that you agree with Hitler?
And now you have found a guy with the same atomic structure in Trump?
And that he's the type of leader you think will save humanity?

Tell me if I'm summarizing incorrectly.

By #709631 at 01,Mar,24 02:45
In the city of UR 6000 years ago can you imagine they had a drug store, a library and a school? The first known city or town in history? They cane up with the idea.

You can call socialism anyting you want. Simply put and you can use 1000 ways, socialism is not as bad as communism. Whether or not I agree with that is one thing. Bad is bad by any other name. Controlling people by politicians is bad. How the fuck can you pay someone to watch the border and protect our country where he tells you either you do it my way or I will kill you or go to jail or both? Doesn't make any sense but to you it does.

With people as in control it is required to be educated in order to function in a society. So society functions with longevity and positive growth. Nothing is free and nobody owes anybody anything. Nobody owns anybody. If someone gives to you because they love you that's ok. If you want to work to pay your debts definately encouraged. Everybody has a fair shake. Government works for you,, period. This is the best way to put it. Civilization as long as there is socialism, communism, suppression and brainwashing you will never ever persevere. BY ANY OTHER NAME socialism existed in one form or another. The government that steals from you.Since you live in Europe they really do **** your ass raw as a bitch. I know they do

Easy.. Just you change the name and say its better than communism. But russia was a socialistic communism. It just does not work. Oh, it will work for the criminal, no doubt,, but not for growth of the country as a whole.

Not one thing you have said to me has swayed the value of this injunction. It is not meant to build; it is to destroy by the unmoral abuse of power for immediate gratification of the controller. Simple. If you don't agree with me and come to the conclusion, I'm wrong as you are right? What can I do about it. I can't do anything.

By #709631 at 20,Feb,24 21:53
Who'd you hear that one from? Your mother?
By phart at 21,Feb,24 02:21 other posts of phart 
No , my mother never took time to teach me anything about politics ,was to busy beating me and trying to starve me to death. Why do you ask? do you disagree with what I said?
By #709631 at 21,Feb,24 04:30
so sorry. that was not meant for you. I'm also sorry for your trauma. I know the feeling

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Feb,24 21:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Some lefty YouTube channel made fun of it. I cannot remember which one.
Have you donated yet?
By phart at 21,Feb,24 23:54 other posts of phart 
My first "donation" will be on March 5th for the primary when I vote for him to be the Republican candidate.
My next "donation" will be my vote for him on election day.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 20:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That won't save his business that he's going to lose for being a fraud.
You're obviously not a true believer, if you don't fall for his scams,
like donating to 'Save America' which only pays for Trump's personal lawsuits
or buy his NFT digital trading cards with pictures of Trump as superhero's
or buying a piece of his suit or maybe next a used condom with his cum inside
and the grool of a porn-star on the outside. I know you crave it.
By phart at 23,Feb,24 12:32 other posts of phart 
he won't loose his bussiness. it may take a hard hit but he won't loose it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 18:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If he files for bankruptcy, then he has lost his business.
Bankruptcy cannot save him from having to pay the fines, but after they confiscated and sold all his assets, it's possible that the mortgages and other debts far overshadow what's left of his assets.

Trump calls himself a billionaire, but he has overstated the value of his assets constantly, so he might just be a multi-millionaire. When his fines are multi millions, he might not have anything left, at the end.

By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 03:04
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Jim biden's testimony. This is going to knock you out..

Don't believe me woot NYC/ Here ya go..

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 20:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Well, I'm awaiting the impeachment. Must be easy with that evidence.

Actually, James Biden testified that Joe Biden was not involved in anything
related to Hunter's nice cushy job. Sure, it's nepotism, but you love that. Trump filled his administration with family, is forcing his daughter-in-law as the chair of the RNC and he is very likely picking one of his sons or his daughter for his running mate. Yeah, nepotism! (Banana Republicans)

Meanwhile, your FBI informant Vladimir Alexeyevich Smirnov, was proven to be a liar.
He’s charged with falsely reporting to the FBI in June 2020 that executives associated with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma paid Hunter and the president $5m each in 2015 or 2016. The claim has been central to the Republican impeachment inquiry in Congress. During an interview before his arrest last week, Smirnov admitted that “officials associated with Russian intelligence were involved in passing a story” about Hunter. Smirnov is behind bars while he awaits trial.
By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 23:00
Major corporations are pulling out of NY state due to this and the property taxes just went up 40%. They are coming to Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma. Ny State will lose its electral college weight. BUT since the truckers refuse to go to NY there is no way of Connecticut, RI, Massachusetts , Vermont, NH, or Maine either. All is liberal controlled. This is a major protest worse than the Boston Tea Party back in the 18th century. No food for illegal immigrants. No medicine.

They won't impeach him. The senate won't vote for it. Unless they can get democrats to vote. If they vote Pelosi will cut them off financially.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 11:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those property taxes went up last year, but please show how they 'just' went up,
as a result of Trump's penalty.

Funny video though. True, an investor who thinks that Trump committed no fraud, would not want to go to New York now, because they would be scared to get caught for their fraud. Funny how you all say New York is crime infested, but you want them to not catch criminals like that guy. Defrauding the American system for millions upon millions is more damaging to society than a couple of drugs dealers.
But, because white board criminals dress nice, you respect them.

How will NY State lose its electoral college weight? You think that many New Yorkers will vacate the area for poor little Trump being 'treated unfairly'. New York is a safe blue state. For every Banana Republican voter leaving, several Democratic voters fleeing MAGA lunacy, will take their place.

Republicans won't even hold a vote to impeach Biden, because they don't even have a majority for it in the Republican controlled House. Because whatever pretend evidence they had before, has all evaporated one by one. Now even their star-witness is proven to be a Russian agent. The investigation can start now, on how long Republican lawmakers knew about that and chose to lie about that.
That's a good reason for impeachment, for every Republican involved.
Of course, I understand that no Republican will ever vote to impeach one of their co-conspirators. They won't lose their funding, they would lose their lives.
Trump would figuratively paint a giant bullseye on their backs.
By phart at 23,Feb,24 12:34 other posts of phart 
It may be a case of time, evaluations are done a year in advance of actually receiving the bill.
Or at least that is the way it is here, they just doubled property values in our county in january. In november the bills will come in. so there is a year essentially between the value increase and the bill.
It's a hell of a shock to look at last years value and see it this year and it literally double within 3000 bucks.

By #709631 at 23,Feb,24 23:02
No victim no crime. NYC has empty shelves because of excremented mouths from people like you. I heard chicago, Philadelpha, Baltimore and the entire west coast is starting to suffer from your mouth of stupidity. Missouri has sent it national guard to Texas to fight on the border because of YOUR POLICIES... That's right, YOURS.
California, New York? No trucker wants to go there because of regulations and gas prices. And why would they. Less stupid egoistic people to worry about. I definitely see a Major reckoning starting to unfold. It's us against stupid egoism and ignorance against people just like you.
Your anti-constitutional stupidly is worse since you don't even belong here. Europe is suffering from increased crime and famine. Oh your lying bullshit media hasn't mentioned it but they know its true. What's even worse is that they do not care. You do not care. That's because you are stupid that's why. You are defending your own enemy. What a total waste of excrement.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Feb,24 16:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
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There are indeed many articles that claim that truckers are willing to block New York, but nothing is coming from it as of yet. A storm in a glass of water.
If you think that New York is having any trouble from Trump's penalty, show me an article with empty shelves or traffic jams from truck blockades.

Tax-fraud is a crime and the victim is the tax-payer; YOU.
When you do tax-fraud, you go to jail. So why not Trump?

I do agree with the concept that acts are not a crime, when there is no victim.
This is not the case for fraud. It's against the law, because there are victims.
Fraud is criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
It is by its nature to the detriment of other people or entities,
otherwise the criminal deception wouldn't be necessary.

Explain what is my 'anti-constitutional stupidly'. How is Trump being indicted for his decades of tax-fraud anti-constitutional?

Whatever happens on your border, are your policies. I didn't get to vote in your elections. By the way, at the moment, the border is reported to be pretty quiet at the moment, even by Republicans. They traveled to several border towns, expecting mayhem, but being very disappointed. It will pick up in the spring though, like every year, because then illegals are crossing the border again to their farm and construction jobs. If you want to stop that, crack down on the employers who provide the illegals with jobs.

Your party had a chance to enact the harshest anti-immigration policies ever.
You would love the things that Biden would have agreed upon, but Republicans blocked it, because Trump wants to run on immigration and doesn't want to give Biden a win. That's a missed opportunity and bad strategy for you, because you can be sure that Biden will use that for the election now. And if he wins again, he doesn't need to do anything you like anymore.

Sure, you make up complete bullshit and then say my media doesn't talk about it. Well, show me your sources then. I bet that even if you find something to support your narrative, it's vague as shit and absolutely unverifiable.
That's what your lying media does. And when they get sued for lying, they say:
"It's just an opinion, we are not a news media.".

Also, when poverty and crime is going up in Europe, then who did that?
All over Europe right-wing populism is taking control. My own country has been governed by our most right-wing corporate party for 12 years. Before that, the last left majority ended in 2002. Now we have 3 right-wing parties and one center-right party trying to form a cabinet. That's not my politics!
You know so little, it's really silly and very sad.
By phart at 27,Feb,24 19:58 other posts of phart 
How did Trump affect me with his values placed on property? You say it did but HOW? The county and city decide what something is worth and tax accordingly.
When going to the bank to get a loan. Trump says 1 value, the bank says, BULL, and doesn't loan him the amount he ask for.Read the testimony of 1 of the bankers, he said they did it.
If the bank agrees to loan the money , they are the 1's taking a risk,NOT the taxpayer.
The city and county,if they don't value the property as high, that is their own damn fault.
NOT the taxpayers.

By #709631 at 27,Feb,24 23:20
What the fuck are you talking about?
By phart at 28,Feb,24 04:07 other posts of phart 
Trump supporter, I am asking anannas to explain how Trump claiming his property is worth more than the county or whatever says affects others, when all his debts on it were paid and it is all water under the bridge.
By #709631 at 28,Feb,24 06:02
Thank you. If Trump cheated the banks the banks would have said so and given numbers to verify this. Instead the banks claimed that there was no misrepresentation and he paid them promptly and on time. No foul.

I really don't know what else to add except the attorny general is either wrong or lying. The judge who admitted many times as to how much he hated him.

The idea here is to get Trump out of the election. Colorado tried it but the truckers boycotted and they held back. Maine tried it but failed. Here in this instance there was no way to lose but now NYS shelves are empty because of over 20% of the trucks are refusing service the same way they did to colorable Colorado gave in at 10% lesa trucks. NY is 20% or greater not just because this but because or regulations. Nobody wants to go to California.

They tried lying with 3 impeachment hoaxes and now trying to get him off the ballot. Bow the blacks can see this and Biden is losing the black vote. I'm not saying more blacks are not voting for him than Biden but its diluted as compared to 2020.

Billionaires are no longer investing in NY anymore. They claim that if they did it to trump it will happen to them. The Governor said she would not but they refuse to trust her. And why would they where they can always take their business elsewhere. They have pulled out. Business continue to leave. NY is now bankrupt. No supplies, deteriorating roads, over 110 million rats are infesting subways. People are leaving.

By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Feb,24 14:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It affects others, because what you are saying is not what he was accused of.
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Trump was submitting blatantly false financial data to the accountants, resulting in fraudulent financial statements, lowering the value of his assets with the purpose of reducing his tax-rates and massively overvaluing his assets in order to borrow more and at lower rates. That's fraud.

I might be a little bit sensitive when people say fraud is not a crime.
In my country, tens of thousands of people had their lives destroyed by our government, because they were accused of childcare benefits fraud. After years of obstruction, the investigation has uncovered that only in a tiny number of cases actual fraud had been committed. In most of the cases a tiny mistake, worth almost nothing, was enough to be convicted of fraud, without any fair legal process. Many people didn't even make a mistake themselves, but were flagged as fraudster for using childcare services that had been identified as fraudulent. Anything like that resulted in the government cracking down on them with massive fines and being forced to pay back all the benefits they ever received. Their assets were confiscated, leaving them without their homes and/or with massive debts. When their lives got messed up, many of them were unable to take care of their children. Many of them released care of their children to child protection. Then the were fucked again, getting treated exactly the same as people who have their children forcibly taken away. It took many years, but eventually, our cabinet resigned over that scandal. Only two political entities fought for those people all along; my Socialist Party and Pieter Omtzigt from the Christian Democratic Appeal, who has been attacked for it by his own party. I personally know a family who has been devastated by the childcare benefits affair. It was brutal what they did to them.
That's what happens when normal people get accused of fraud.

Normally wealthy people get away with it. They steal millions or billions from the tax-payer and never get caught, while the average people get destroyed over a small mistake or not even that. I like how they got Trump on it. He has been a crook all his life, stealing from the less powerful. This is his comeuppance.
By phart at 28,Feb,24 15:06 other posts of phart 
ananas, Tax value is not determined by the owner. I don't know where you get that from but the owner only has the option to appeal a tax increase and it is more difficult to fight than you think.
If New york says his property is worth 2 million, and he says it's worth 10 million, and the bank loans by what THEY think it is worth at 5 million, then where the hell is the problem???
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Feb,24 15:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You used that same argument many times by now. You and I do not determine the value of our assets, but the rich have many ways to scam that process.

Where the hell is the problem? Read the rest.

By the way, Trumps monitor has most likely uncover even more fraud, where Trump created fake loans to avoid paying taxes over millions of dollars.
I hope they are not done completely squeezing the filthy crook.
By phart at 28,Feb,24 15:15 other posts of phart 
please read the link I posted. And PLEASE, Share some of these methods of scamming the process, as everyone in the county i live including myself would like to know as our tax values were DOUBLED just last month.

By phart at 28,Feb,24 15:09 other posts of phart 
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"A property’s assessment is based on its market
value. Market value is how much a property would
sell for under normal conditions. Assessments are
determined by the assessor, a local official who
independently estimates the value of real property
for a city, town, or village.
The assessor can estimate the market value
of property based on the sale prices of similar
properties. A property can also be valued based on
the cost of materials and labor required to replace
it, minus depreciation. Commercial property may be
valued on its potential to produce rental income for
its owners."

NOW let me outline this for you
Read this again.
"Assessments are
determined by the assessor, a local official who
independently estimates the value of real property
for a city, town, or village."

It does not say the owner, or the bank or the dog catcher determines the value of property, a ASSESSOR does this.
A person hired to determine value of property.
It would seem if New York feels they have been shit out of some money , the assessor they hired has failed at his or her or it's job.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Feb,24 15:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know, and it's moot. Save yourself the trouble.
By phart at 28,Feb,24 15:16 other posts of phart 
Why is it moot? They claim Trump lied about the value of his land and buildings when in fact it is blatantly clear he has little say in the tax value of his property.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Feb,24 21:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You think it's just coincidences that all those valuations are in his favor. When he's paying taxes on those values, his properties are worth almost nothing, but when he needs assets to back a loan, then they are all of a sudden worth 100 times more. Sure and Harry Potter lives next door to me.
By phart at 29,Feb,24 01:09 other posts of phart 
Oh so now you are suggesting a conspiracy? Why is it ok for you to do that? Any time we conservitives suggjest something underhanded being done by a democrat ,the liberals whine and boo hoo and say it aint so.
Show me the person fixing those values.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Feb,24 18:27 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, that's not a conspiracy, know your definitions.
Exactly like you said, and is explained in your link, which is the same or similar to links I've posted myself before; assessors determine the value of the assets of a company. Still, the assessors use documentation provided by the owner or company to base the value on.

If the company provides documents with falsified data on square footage of the property, totally incorrect data on income and expenses, concealed facts about local government restrictions on the business opportunities of the property, than the assessor determines an incorrect value for the property. That's not the responsibility of the assessor, that's the responsibility of the company to provide correct and accurate facts. Some stupid disclaimer doesn't absolve a company from that responsibility. That's the law! Read the fucking verdict.
By phart at 29,Feb,24 20:30 other posts of phart 
I don't know where you get the assessor uses documents from the owner.
The assessor that works this county, either uses google earth to measure the size and type of structures, and resale values of nearby and similar property's, OR they come out and physically examine and measure the house and outbuildings. I feel sure in a place like new york the building inspection department has the plans to all of the buildings so size,type and so on are easy to get,plus they would use resale value of nearby structures.
Banks, of course use the same information but also they use a persons credit rating and other types of collateral that may be used to secure the loan.

By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 07:04
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And so it begins. Civil war.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 14:02 other posts of phart 
HELLL YEA! THat's great news!
Send new york to hell.
By #709631 at 22,Feb,24 20:10
CAT and I got into it. She called me a jerk.. then when I said she sent me the message to Get my penis circumsized down to my balls it was an antisemetic attack. Skittles can verify this.
She called me a racist so I put rats on her page. Now she is the victim and pretending I was in the wrong.

By Gntlmn at 22,Feb,24 03:47 other posts of Gntlmn 
Putin's diarrhea-drinking cumdump can't die soon enough.
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By #709631 at 16,Feb,24 22:17
I do not suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 17,Feb,24 14:39 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
No. Just derangement.
By #709631 at 17,Feb,24 21:05
So funny.

By phart at 17,Feb,24 22:19 other posts of phart 
I think the hatred for Trump has caused mass derangement among liberals and democrats in society as a whole.
They hate Trump with such gusto they can't see the country is falling apart, the world is at war, and all they can think about is some other way to harm Trump. the derangement is not with Trump supporters.
By #709631 at 17,Feb,24 22:29
Whenever I turn on the lights the liberals scatter like crazy..
By sherryann at 17,Feb,24 22:41 other posts of sherryann 
! And phart, yes, their immense hatred is unlike anything in history.
By #709631 at 17,Feb,24 23:17
Common sense and people that create excess carbon dioxide only showing how selfish they are. One's that dont give a shit about anyone except themselves and never taking responsibility. Instead of creating solution they destroy by blaming groups that causes their misery. We are not their mother or babysitter. Their problems have been caused by themselves.

Politics is based on who can lie the best. When you have one candidate that speaks the truth, and the people believe him creates hatred within the trailor park junkies

. Naturally if you are true to yourself, you can't hate even if you wanted to. But they do. Why do I disrespect liberals and progressives? That's why

100% of Liberals say Joe Biden is not fit to stand trial because he is senile. Yet 34% of intelligent liberals say he is fit to be president. Can you explain this one to me.
By phart at 18,Feb,24 02:52 other posts of phart 
The only logical explanation I have for biden being ran for a second term is they have him trained pretty well now to "go here,go there" and babble some stuff and go back home.
No one in their right mind would allow themselves to be controlled like a rc car

Well another explanation perhaps, who the hell else can they run? Crooked hillary? Oh, she aint old enough yet, when she hits 89 maybe!
By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 03:01
No republican in his right mind would run in the primary against Trump. Haley is being funded by democrats to tarnish him. She knows she isn't going to win so it is NOT her money she is using.
The only way the democrats can win is if they cheat. Trump said he's keeping an eye on it. I hope he's right.

By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 03:03
So what you are saying is that the liberals other than scattering when you turn the lights on are potty trained the DEMOCRAPPPP way..

By sherryann at 18,Feb,24 04:14 other posts of sherryann 
I believe they know Trump will win so they will cheat and steal the upcoming election again.
By Maxwell_93 at 19,Feb,24 00:40 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Do you trust the results of any elections here at this point? Both sides cry when they lose, and I don't doubt any of the claims of fraud. "Collusion" is the deciding factor in '16, but I should accept the result of this past cycle without question
By sherryann at 19,Feb,24 01:02 other posts of sherryann 
In a word...no. I believe wholeheartedly that the 2020 election was stolen from President Trump.
By phart at 19,Feb,24 01:23 other posts of phart 

By Maxwell_93 at 19,Feb,24 01:59 other posts of Maxwell_93 
I don't know what to believe, I feel like everything is fake and even the democratic process can't be trusted anymore.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 03:52 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, don’t you think there’s a reason for this mass hatred of that Jerk?
By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 04:52

By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 05:41
I hear people with trump derangement syndrome are the most incompetent people on that planet. So what's your excuse?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 12:39 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Incompetent? I doubt you can match my life. You assume that my dislike for The Clown amounts to a deranged syndrome. What it is is staying informed, and before you say it comes from liberal media, I don't pick and choose. I get my information from many national and international news sources.
Now, let's get back to you. Any member that joins a porn site where the posting of nude pics of that member is the main thing and doesn't, shows how incompetent that member is. He doesn't have the smarts to follow simple reasoning. There must be a reason for that.
By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 19:55
you're right. I couldn't be possibly be as stupid as you. Even if I tried. You got me there.

By phart at 18,Feb,24 12:47 other posts of phart 
cat don't you think there is a reason for the hatred of biden? But has it got rid of the old fogy? No.
Some idiots like the roller coaster ride to hell he is taking the country on.
I don't nor do half the people in this country.
That's why we will be voting for Trump.
He is the only 1 that is in the running that can fix the mess.
Nothing deranged about wanting our country back.Did you see this link? a illegal place on a board in in san fran. this is the crap that is tearing America apart,when you let folks run it that don't even have a stake in it.
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 12:50 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok. You have your opinion, but, like you just said, "Half of the people don't like Biden." That's only half. The other half like him. Let's see who gets elected.
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And yes, I saw your post and I commented on it. Again, the people of San Francisco VOTED for that to be possible. It's their choice and it has nothing to do with Biden or Trump
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By phart at 18,Feb,24 13:18 other posts of phart 
May not be illegal but is it the right thing to do? Letting Chinese immigrants become a part of our government?
And I think you will find the other half don't all want biden.Alot of your democrat cohorts think he is to feeble and old.
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"A new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 78% of respondents - including 71% of Democrats - think Biden is too old to work in government."

Um, does that sound good for your bumbling leader?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 16:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Baby, that’s why we have elections. If Biden is too old to serve then, us, the voters should have the last say so unless the candidate himself says so. And, do I think it’s the right thing to do? I’m divided on that. On one hand I like my representative to be a US citizen. On the other hand, in a diversified city like “Frisco”, where there are so many interests, I can see why opinion from everyone would be important, and that’s what governance is, opinions on what’s good for the public.
By phart at 18,Feb,24 17:07 other posts of phart 
but what happens if the idiots are out reproducing the smart people? and the idiots keep winning because of numbers?? how long can it go on? At some point the idiots will vote themselves back into the stone age.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 17:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That, baby, is called “voting in a democracy”.
By phart at 18,Feb,24 17:38 other posts of phart 
but the question is,how can it be a democracy if idiots outnumber smart people? Or non workers, outnumber workers?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Feb,24 17:54 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That IS democracy. It doesn’t warranty a good outcome (ex: Trump). Non workers outnumbering workers will never happen.
By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 23:32
Is it democracy if someone says this person farted in a crowded elevator when it breaks down? 1st amendment right? Wrong.
1st amendment is necessary for freedom but it is not permissible when purposely disturbing the peach. You say Trump has broken the law knowing he hasn't just because you don't like him? Disturbing the peace. You've been granded this platform but like any platform which is out right comes with responsibility. You are not worthy of this position as long as you constantly disregard that responsibility. The proof here comes as you calling me a jerk? I could be or not but just to say I'm a jerk because I don't fall into your political agenda of stupidity doesn't mean you can attack me personally.
What's happened is you've shown the world how ignorant and stupid you actually are. What's even more alarming is that you don't even care. What a waste.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 15:01 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I did not call you a jerk. I called Trump a jerk and, I think, I can just by bringing up ONE thing about him. He raped a woman. This is not conjecture. It’s true and ratified by a court of law. There’s many more “things” but, that’s enough. Are you going to refute that or are you going to exit stage left and counter with your usual platitudes?
By #709631 at 21,Feb,24 21:19
If he was guilty of **** he would be in jail. Just like you and your buddy you give cheap shots then you don't finish or follow through with the evidence. Joe Biden can get away with murder, Hillary Clinton can get away with murder and there are quite a few she kills to keep from testifying.
How can one dude commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head at a perpendicular angle? Others the day before they testify, they suddenly get killed by suicide.
I've said this to you more than 30 times now. Trump is innocent. Just because you do not like him nobody is forcing you to vote for him. Worry about yourself, NOT displaying your hatred towards an innocent man. Just because you hate him it doesn't mean you slander him. This shows very very poor character.
Stop insinuating. If you post a topic of discussion, then do it right to show the evidence you support. Not by just shitting out the mouth bullshit.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 22:48 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The statute of limitations was up so the victim sued him and he was found liable. The judge agreed he committed **** and was sorry he couldn’t do more than find for the defendant and awarded her millions of dollars. We’re have you been?

By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 20:18
This is why I disagree with you vividly. You won't believe it but I've done research on you. I know you. I've seen your photos and they are photoshopped which means you are not the person you claim to be. You come on here and you do not speak truth from the get go.
Yeah I have no pics. I used to participate here because I love sharing my nude body while aroused but realized the majority of the participants here were fake. I got freaked out because if you find out these members are fake how do I know they are of legal age?

You did not come on here with the same intentions. You lie and you are totally filled with hate based on how you look at other groups especially with Jews. These were the same pictures of a different name used on the time that showed violent discontent of this particular group. Therefore you are not part of a democracy. For people like you there is no justification for you until you die then judgement comes into play for real.

I used to show my naked body using this platform. Not anymore. This is the only name I have left. I've tried reaching out here through inspiration but your constant hate towards a man that wants to be president for the only reason to help our country get back on the right track is disgusting for at least with me.
By phart at 19,Feb,24 01:33 other posts of phart 
this thread is so long, which person is this post replying to?
By #709631 at 19,Feb,24 02:33
its a discussion that the topic portrays. It's quite a broad subject.

Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. It's an expression of one's heart. The Unite States of America is my heart because our constitution guides us to moral perfection. One nation under God. That is its true meaning. Just like the bible for Christians, 10 commandments and torah for Judaens. When you combine all bibles of each group, they only point towards one thing which stems from the heart. Without that then then idea of a nation is NO idea. Without that we cannot exist, in anything.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Feb,24 21:01 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You don't know💩 about me. When I first joined SYC, 7 yrs ago +/-, I went under "TWOWARMTTS". Since then I've had two other accounts under the same name. Now I'm CAT and have been for a few years. I've posted my redacted Florida Drivers License on my page to prove who I am. My pics have always been the same. I've always said that my pics represent my life. My first pic here was from when I was 25 and the rest are from different times in life. Some are very recent, some are not, but it's not only your business, you are not even right. So do me a favor and go fuck yourself. Your excuse not to post pics is allowed but, I believe you are a woman or you are a fake account of a male member.
You've done research and "know I"photoshop" my pics. What an idiot.
By #709631 at 20,Feb,24 06:32
I know all about you. and if you are stupid enough not to believe its your problem not mine. But here's the catch. Everyone knows it too. Skittles stays up all night exposing you constantlly but you are stupid enough.. In fact every time you open your stupid mouth you just make yourself look worse and worse. From your religios hate I could have reported you on what I saw. Since your paid bullshit membership covers for you I didn't even bother but I could have sued the site. I chose not to. I let you hang yourself. If you're stupid enough to show your hatred towards Jews in wide open public form you are stupid enough to hang yourself.
Best thing to do is to shut your fucking mouth or I promise you it is going to get very very nasty.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Feb,24 14:38 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Skittles? That botched abortion? Listen, STUPID, I am not nor have I ever been anti-Jewish. I HAVE BEEN AN ANTI-JEW, THAT IS SINGULAR. I'm assuming you've got your knickers in a bind because you are a Jew too. If so, I'm also ANTI-YOU TOO.
Now, you just try to shut my fucking mouth and we'll see where it gets you. Go and play with your Mama's pussy or, maybe Skittles Mama. Kiss my ass, you uneducated, filthy piece of trash.
By #709631 at 21,Feb,24 21:26
You should get circumcised balls deep and you posted it many times. That is antisemitic. I wouldn't kiss your ass if I had a choice of licking a dirty toilet or that. You literally disgust me.
You know what you did. You have fake pictures, you lie, you should have been the product of a sperm burper before insemination. Just a filthy piece of excrement you can't flush. Just a normal karen.

It's not fault you're a fucking moron with a nasty attitude. I blame your parents for that.,,,that puts up fake photoshopped images pretending to be real. You think you have people fooled because you are stupid that's why. Not calling you stupid after this passage. Now I call you very very stupid.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 22:57 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok. I’ll call your bluff. Right here, right now, bring up witch pics on my page are right photoshopped or fake. You just can’t take it. You think, like all bullies, that you can steamroll anyone that disagrees with you.
Put up or shut up.
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You are also ignorant of what is anti-Semitic. Personally, I wouldn’t like a toilet water drinker like you to kiss my ass. So, have you been licking toilets? You just said you prefer to do that.

By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 20:04
Anything I say on here is not based on opinion. I develop a thesis and collect evidence hence facts to back up my thesis. I draw conclusions.
I'm educated. The reason I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 was because I am educated and develop and maintain my critical reasoning. This part is alien to them. I'm an independent. I hated Both Bush's and Reagan was no picnic for me either after he visited and prayed to the nazi's. I have independent reasoning.
Although I hated the republicans and democrats I still try to have an opened mind. Our country is important to me. BUT even though I can't stand narcissists literally I consider all people here as Americans. Unfortunately, they do not consider this as importance. All that matters to them is their egoism and hate. They were born, they will breathe x amount of times then they will die with no memory left behind. I find this sad and it bothers me. What can I do? There is nothing I can do besides offer inspiration.
That's all God can do. He's always here for you but if you only think about your selfish pride then what can he do about it? Nothing
By sherryann at 18,Feb,24 21:17 other posts of sherryann 
"He's always here for you" , God. Perfectly said!
By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 21:36
Thank you my darling. I can understand your love for God and love through each others hearts. You are one of God's children. I'm so happy to meet you.
By sherryann at 18,Feb,24 22:34 other posts of sherryann 
Thank you my Trump supporter, I am so happy to meet you too.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Feb,24 14:44 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
"your love for God and love through each others hearts." YARAYARAYARA.
You don't know what love for God is. You are just a bully trying to sound smart (sic). You are nothing but a filthy dumbass conservative ass.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Feb,24 14:41 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
"Anything I say on here is not based on opinion. I develop a thesis and collect evidence hence facts to back up my thesis. I draw conclusions."
You filthy piece of trash. Go home and sue your Mama for botching your abortion.

By Gntlmn at 17,Feb,24 18:34 other posts of Gntlmn 
Putin will bail trump out of his lawsuit losses, because trump sucks diarrhea from Putin's ass in videos.
By Cody8789 at 17,Feb,24 19:13 other posts of Cody8789 
I know this may offend alot, but maybe it’s time to put a kennedy back in office, all he needs is 34% of the vote to possibly get elected. 33 trump, 33 biden 34 kennedy as an independent. My views are, biden isnt doing anything, trump wants to dismantle nato. Its time for someone new and i cant think of anyone i can say i would vote for.
By Gntlmn at 17,Feb,24 21:03 other posts of Gntlmn 
No argument from me, but he'd need to take a stand on congressional term limits, common sense gun regulation, cleaning up the supreme court, reinstating Roe versus Wade, and doing away with tax breaks for billionaires
By Cody8789 at 18,Feb,24 06:35 other posts of Cody8789 
Where I live, ever since our governor put into effect not having to need a permit to carry a gun, we have at least two or three shootings every day since that law was put into effect last July by our governor here in Florida. That needs to change. I believe roe vs wade should be overturned with limitations on how long you can abort b4 it’s too late, and r..e and health of a women is more important and should be decided by the women. I don’t trust the Supreme Court anymore. And I’m for an age limit of congress members.
By Maxwell_93 at 19,Feb,24 00:33 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Idc about an age limit, I want term limits for congress and a ban on trading for the members and their immediate family. Nothing will ever change in this country until those two things happen, imo ofc.

By tecsan at 18,Oct,20 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
I wonder how many lies H. clinton or obama have told...Now that is a good question...༼☯﹏☯༽
By Cody8789 at 17,Feb,24 17:31 other posts of Cody8789 
Every politician lies, that’s how they get elected. Every politician tells you what they will do when they get in office, then when they get in, they do nothing. Look what’s happening in most of our major cities, immigrant gangs taking over, why, because we have a president that does absolutely nothing to stop the illegal crossing at the borders. I say we round them up ourselves and dump them back on the Mexican side after we smack them around a little and tell them if they come back, we will feed them to the sharks
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By #709631 at 18,Feb,24 03:19
Let's all rise and salute our 47th president DONALD J. TRUMP.. We salute you..
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By sherryann at 18,Feb,24 04:07 other posts of sherryann 
There's my President Trump
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By tecsan at 18,Oct,20 05:33 other posts of tecsan 
Most are just jealous and not just of Trump, but many democrap politicians as well because of their money...༼☯﹏☯༽

By #592419 at 17,Oct,20 19:22
Mr. Trump’s best ZIP code encompasses much of The Villages, a retirement community in Central Florida. Other strong areas for Mr. Trump included parts of the Houston, Phoenix and Las Vegas suburbs, as well as Orange County in California.

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By phart at 08,Jun,20 03:30 other posts of phart 
Damn,first everyone is mad because Trump won't wear a mask.Then they get mad because he wants to open things up to restart the economy.
When the pentegon sends out choppers to get people to go back home and be safe from the virus they get mad again. Confusing.
Have you noticed we were supposed to be staying at home to be safe and not go to church or eat in or anything.But rioters get special treatment.

By #568769 at 17,May,20 01:33
That is FUNNY! And so true. Like this person's irony... After looking @ the date (Dec. 11,201 and the few comments since excepting SrCums...Just have to wonder what all this sites trumpians are thinking now? Pushing 90,000 of your fellow Americans dead in just barely TWO fucking months from the dreaded no. 19 and Herr Dimwits lack of management...of EVERY fucking thing that could have saved MANY of them Are any of you trumpites finally AWAKE??
By phart at 17,May,20 03:00 other posts of phart 
Just what really could have been done different?
Lets make a comparrison so maby it will be easier to understand.
Lets compare America to a LONG freight train running 70 mph down the tracks. It needs to stop.How long does it take? It can't stop in just a few seconds.
America was running full speed,great economy,stock market Just about to hit 30,000. And BAM, a virus comes. Somehow,someway,it gets from 1 case in the west to being scattered all over the country.And it is Trumps fault.-all the scientist with plenty of money and nothing to loose want the country shut down for however long it takes to get a vaccine that might be 40% effective?
Um. Not really. It is China's fault first for letting it get loose,covering it up and so on. It is also the fault of weathly people that travel to far off places for "bussiness" and bringing back the virus to their workers and familys. And those damn cruise ships,again,rich ass people that could have stayed on those ships instead of bringing it home to different states. I know they let 2 people that tested positive come home to my state.STUPID.
It is also the fault of nurseing home management not keeping things clean,getting the residents sick, staff sick and so on.There is plenty of fault to go around ,I could keep going. But instead of looking for actual fault,let's blame Trump and take another swig of koolaid.
By #188992 at 17,May,20 11:34
Why compare America to a freight train, in particular?

Why not compare it to a turtle with a glass of water balanced on it's shell? Or how about a Hollywood starlet with 6 months to live? Or a Ford Mustang with half a tank of gas?

You have to have a REASON for drawing an analogy.

As for the substance of your question:

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Just a simple letter to the editor of a newspaper that points out how things could have been done differently. Anything there that you would take issue with?

And that's still without mentioning that your beloved POTUS still refuses to wear a mask when it would seem the sensible thing to do. What message does that give people?

By the way, I take no pleasure in pointing out that Trump is fucking up how to deal with this pandemic and more Americans will die as a result of his in(actions).
By phart at 17,May,20 11:54 other posts of phart 
A heavy freight train can't stop quickly,nor can a country running full speed.It takes time to slow down and stop.Sheesh,have you never heard the saying, "it is hard to stop a train?"
By #188992 at 17,May,20 12:40
"Nor can a country running full speed"

Any evidence for that assertion?

Regardless of whether your analogy is a sound one or not you have totally ignored the second part of my reply. So the answer to your original question ("Just what really could have been done different?") is … plenty.
By phart at 17,May,20 17:25 other posts of phart 
Plenty as in what? Answers,give answers,not 1 word replys to make your chest push out.
By #188992 at 17,May,20 17:47
Do you want more than is in the article I posted? Plus, I see on the UK News today that the buffoon is still not wearing a face mask himself. What message does THAT send out?

I hope, for all your sake's, that this fuckwit is actually right. I fear, however, that Science will (yet again) prevail over blind, baseless faith.

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Looks like being a blowhard runs in the family!
By #592419 at 22,May,20 13:24
So you know all the truth? More than Jesus and G-d combined!
He's been right in about just about everything else so what makes you think he is wrong now.
When the fake news network gets their scrubby hands on any issue it's for political gain. UK is strong liberal. Just look at all the Muslims pouring into your country with free housing, food, and money while your middle class is one check away from homelessness..They never do cover the homelessness that work and pay taxes do they?
So let's compare. You've got about a 50-50 chance of dying of cardiovascular disease,, the rest is about 49% of any other cause. The rest of the 1% coronovirus is on the bottom list. They put it that if you live in Florida you have more of a chance of dying from lightening then coronovirus. Does your fake news cover that? NO

You are very smart,, however you don't know how to use your tools for the best of your advantage.. Stop being a bullshit politician with stupid crap. start being a man for once. When the truth hits you in the ass instead of rationalizing like the rest of your radical dems start trying to be a man for once and show humility when you are right or wrong..
By #188992 at 22,May,20 13:53
Yep, makes sense if I imagine your rant scrawled in shit on the asylum walls.

Got a problem with Muslims, SrCums?

Not a nice attitude when you are (rightly) offended when YOUR faith becomes an issue. Personally, I don't care what religion immigrants to the UK adhere to. All that bullshit about free stuff for immigrants is just our right-wing press stirring up shit. You are, clearly, ill-informed about UK affairs.

Die from "lightening"? Are we back to Donald's dubious uses of bleach, or do you mean "lightning"?

And, whilst we're here what the fuck is this "G-d" nonsense. Do your Bronze Age beliefs stop you typing "God"? smh
By #592419 at 22,May,20 14:29
No, I don't stereotype any group... So what you are saying is that its ok to fuck your taxpayers but not Muslims,, I'm the racist? That's your point of view isn't it. What you are being racist is for the taxpayer..

You don't know my faith.. You don't know Judaism at all as a matter of fact. My faith has nothing to do with the subject. I'm starting to think you are not as smart as believed.
By #188992 at 22,May,20 14:46
Get to fuck!

"Just look at all the Muslims pouring into your country" - your words, sweetheart, not mine. Why not just "people" instead of SPECIFICALLY Muslims? And why "pouring" - emotive language, huh? YOU made the distinction, not me.

Our taxpayers get a raw deal but not because of Muslims. An inept government is to blame.

You don't know my faith background either. I've told you I'm "godless" but how do you know what faith, if any, I was brought up in?

For all you know I could be a Jew, a Muslim or have parents who are one of each. I know plenty about Judaism, weirdo. I got my information from reading. You should try it - the stuff you can find out, it's amazing!

G-d, you're hard work!
By #592419 at 22,May,20 14:51
No, not just muslims, illegal aliens that can support the political agenda. So its not them I'm targeting.. Everyone wants a better life. Its the radical left I'm targeting,, that's right .. People like you

You say you are an atheist but you are strong into platonic philosophy.. That's 2 inconsistencies. I'm starting to feel you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.. About anything..Hotpussy and all her fakes you are more suited in determining morality,, To me its just a waste of oxygen but hey,, like what the fuck eh?..
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:00
"illegal aliens that can support the political agenda"

So what about Muslims who move here legally?

What about Muslim asylum seekers, fleeing persecution (possibly because of their religion)? You should have some empathy given your strong views on The Holocaust et al.

If it's "not just Muslims" why make that distinction in the first place? Talk about a quick volte face!

Why not just admit that you've been overtly racist, caught out, and simply apologise?

Radical sounds pretty cool to me. Not sure in what way my views are "left" though.

Maybe I inadvertently said that all property is theft, and forgot I said it? Or did I advocate common ownership of the means of production? Hmmm, not in this thread. You may have to enlighten me, SrCums.

As you are adding to your posts I feel I should too:

I described myself as "godless" not an atheist. You can study Plato (or any other great philosopher) and not agree with everything they assert.
By #592419 at 22,May,20 15:02
Legally is fine.. It is with accordance with constitutional law. I support muslims moving into Israel. Some even volunteer in risking their lives with the IDF.. Isn't that something.

I don't have to enlighten anyone. I'm not here to amuse you.. Quite honestly I don't give a fuck what enlightens you.. This is a discussion forum.. I'm here to discuss,, not dictate to fools..
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:15
OK then, a straight question: How are my views in this thread left wing views?

Or can you just say what you fucking like and not explain why?

For all your cute quotes about learning calmness from the lakes and all that twee, pseudo-spiritual nonsense you're just an Islamophobe with a dubious grip on sanity. Hey, it's just one opinion!
By #592419 at 22,May,20 15:38
Sure,, any retard radical liberal is entitled to his opinion..
1st amendment, right?..
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:52
Yep, especially when there's evidence for that opinion!
By #592419 at 22,May,20 16:47
show it,, this time no fake bullshit from the propaganda media..The tabloids had more validity

By #188992 at 22,May,20 14:53
Good G-d, look what I found:

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"but Khumra sometimes dictates special care such as the writing of "G-d" instead of "God" "

Strong, circumstantial evidence of ……….

You should join a fucking comedy club too!
By #592419 at 22,May,20 15:37
Wrong path here dude. absolute irrelevance.
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:56
Especially for you, SrCums

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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,May,20 21:52 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, I live in an area of the country were hurricanes come by. The city and state comes to a halt in hours. Then we stay indoors for several days. No train.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 17,May,20 13:40 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, following your reasoning, we are all to blame for being born.

By #568769 at 29,May,20 19:48
HI Phart-How about protective gear? How about closing the country few months back, when he should have?...Hope you have been fine and escaped the no. 19 as well as your family...but..it ain't me that's drinkin' coolaide. Just wait a few years and you finally see the truth of d. trump, who cares not one bit about you or your family...Hell, even I knew of this and took it seriously way back in January.
By phart at 29,May,20 21:13 other posts of phart 
What action he did take earlier on,like blocking off china,was met with alot of criticism by the left and mockery."Come to China town" "Ride the Subway".
There was no real play book for this.
No one knew everything.
I was sick mid febuary to first of march,plenty of neighbors sick,my family not. Bad flu from what some said,don't know,got over it and doing ok in that aspect.

By JustWill at 17,May,20 17:31 other posts of JustWill 
Trump is RIGHT because he TELLS them that he is right.
He is their Big, Orange Jeebus, and he must not be doubted.
Trumpers are like a wack-a-do religious cult.
By #592419 at 17,May,20 18:03
A constitutional cult? Where do I sign...
By JustWill at 17,May,20 18:47 other posts of JustWill 
Trumpers wouldn't know the Constitution if it bit them on the ass...
By phart at 17,May,20 22:10 other posts of phart 
liberals never even looked at it,
By JustWill at 17,May,20 22:13 other posts of JustWill 
I've read it several times.
By #592419 at 22,May,20 13:30
What is the constitution for?
By phart at 22,May,20 15:16 other posts of phart 
Apparently to the liberals, toilet paper.
They sure as hell don't like it if it don't apply to them anyway.
Oh they love to use the 1st admendment to bitch about the 2'd 1.
Live and let live. quit trying to violate my rights while abusing your own.

By #188992 at 18,May,20 14:06
I would, politely, suggest that you're talking bollocks (again) phart.

On the other hand I have found someone (a professor of Political Science, no less) who seems to feel that your current POTUS either doesn't understand the US Constitution OR feels quite happy to trample all over it. What thinks you?

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By #592419 at 22,May,20 15:35
I agree with phart
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:41
I didn't doubt it for a moment, SrCums.
By #592419 at 22,May,20 16:18
i'm glad,, at least and for the first time you finally started to make sense.

By #568769 at 29,May,20 19:51
That should be 'trumple' all over it...I think our 'POOTUS' is a nimrod of the highest calibre...I like the English spelling...

By #592419 at 07,Jun,20 15:13
China killed them..

By #592419 at 21,May,20 19:46
Donald J. Trump
38 mins ·
Many will disagree, but Fox News is doing nothing to help Republicans, and me, get re-elected on November 3rd. Sure, there are some truly GREAT people on Fox, but you also have some real “garbage” littered all over the network, people like Dummy Juan Williams, Schumerite Chris Hahn, Richard Goodstein, Donna Brazile, Niel Cavuto, and many others. They repeat the worst of the Democrat speaking points, and lies. All of the good is totally nullified, and more. Net Result = BAD! CNN & MSDNC are all in for the Do Nothing Democrats! Fox WAS Great!
By #188992 at 21,May,20 20:02
Bleatings of a blowhard. Attacks on the press are straight out of the authoritarian despot playbook. President Tweety seems to want totally uncritical media coverage of all he does, and spits the dummy when that doesn't happen.
By #592419 at 22,May,20 15:43
NOw you are starting to sound like this.. This is boring. [deleted image]
By #188992 at 22,May,20 15:50
Continuing to comment on a thread that you find "boring" is an interesting approach! Feel free to fuck right off, by the way!
By phart at 22,May,20 19:32 other posts of phart 
Bleatings of a blowhard, You should know,you are a expert at it yourself!
Takes all kinds and I can't agree much with anything you say.But you and your type serve a legitament purpose in the world.You keep us reminded of why we can not let our guard down ever.My imagination can not even fathom what the world would be like with your kind of thinking in charge. Venzualla maby? Communism?
By #188992 at 22,May,20 20:00
Venzualla? Sounds like a pretty fun place! Venezuela, on the other hand, is not really my cup of tea.

Seriously, dude, how long does it take to check the spelling of what is a pretty key word in your post?

I'm glad, however, that I serve a "legitament (sic) purpose". My late Mum always used to tell me: "If you can't be a good example, at least you can serve as a terrible warning."

The fact that my utopia is beyond your imagination does not surprise me, but I have to caution you that neither "Venzualla" or Communism are anywhere near the mark. Both are overtly authoritarian in nature and impinge too much upon individual freedom.

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By #592419 at 21,May,20 19:49
Dear Dope,,,
This is the same rant that happened when adolf hitler said the same thing to the jews before he exterminated 6 million of them..
Oh that's right.. You're a Jew hater and biased. You're about as wise as a naked man streaking during a blizzard....

By #188992 at 21,May,20 19:59
I think somewhere between the 2, rather extreme, views is probably the way forward.

On previous form, I would also suggest that you both leave Judaism out of the conversation/slanging match.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,May,20 22:19 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Hux, you are right. It’s unseemly to involve religion. It’s easy to do with SrCums. I’m sure the second amendment still has a long life. I don’t presume to have the answer. Better people than me have tried and failed. But, I do say that if the people of other countries are able to live with few or no guns, we should be able to do the same.--------------------------------------- added after 3 minutesAs far as SrCums is concerned, he seems to put all Jewish problems on Hitler. He seems to have forgotten that many young American kids are laying in the fields Of France and Germany

By #592419 at 21,May,20 23:37
Sir,, Don't give me a double standard in that I can't talk about certain criteria.. You told me just before you can talk about whatever you want under 1st amendment guidelines... Don't tell me not to talk about anything that doesn't have anything derogatory ,, its non of your fucking business anyway.
I,m giving examples of my viewpoints.. you can either ban me or take your ignorance on someone else.. If you want just political correctness in this chat then make your own forum with certain political criteria..
By #188992 at 22,May,20 09:15
Try reading what I said again, SrCums.

A suggestion is all I made. If you want to reference The Holocaust and religion to make your point, knock yourself out.

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By phart at 17,May,20 11:57 other posts of phart 
I think it is a waste of time and is just being used as a shiney object to distract the critics for awhile while other things can get done without media hounding.
Really,if a American that has no idea how you are going to vote in November by now,I don't think Obamagate is going to sway you much either.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 17,May,20 12:10 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, it's not the knowing, it's the approval they seek

By #592419 at 22,May,20 01:41
COUP D'ETAT/////???? Last time I checked that is treason.

By #592419 at 16,May,20 20:35
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By #188992 at 16,May,20 21:11
5 months to come up with THAT?

Bravo, pinhead!
By #592419 at 16,May,20 21:26
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By #188992 at 17,May,20 09:48
My apologies - I read the date wrong. It was actually 17 months it took you to come up with that juvenile drivel, not 5.
By #592419 at 17,May,20 18:01
Never knew of the time limit constraint..

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