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 | So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the US. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the Revolutionary War to Iraq.
It is true that gun ownership is in the US constitution and it is true that most people argue that guns are not the problem. The problem is those who use the guns irresponsibly. If 1.4 million deaths occurred by, say, a million people in the US, what does it take to make those people responsible gun owners? |
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Wish all Americans were like you.
Many are. But, alas, you also got those who, ignoring even their own interests, have fallen victims (=brainwashed) of those who are in control of the money. (President Jefferson would never recognize the America of today.)
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Don't give up on us, Leo. This country is full of good, smart people. The stereo type is not the true spirit of this country. One day, like many times before, the silent minority will rise and fix this too,,,
One more statistic,, When the nazi's outlawed guns to Jews then rounded up and killed 6 million of them.,
Gun holders that are l egal don't go out shooting people compared to people that are breaking laws on guns murder people. Not the other way around..
This is a Left Wing Political tactic to strip us of our guns then to control us and invoke socialism..
I suggest that you look at the people responsible for many of the mass shootings recently. Many of them legitimately held the weaposnt they used to carry out the massacres.
I ama also curious aboout why civilians need to have assault weaposn designed for the military. Surely not for hubnting, that would hardly be fair. So why?
that many Americans are
utterly religious fundamentalists.
All of them have guns because they believe in absurdities.
Thanks.
The country is big and is diverse... Europeans until recently were more mono-cultural than America but you can see that it is now under invasion by its own government.. They don't give a shit about the people there that paid taxes for many generations. Now they are just food for the slaughterhouse.
You have no idea why Americans have Guns.. I live here. We protect our land, property and lives. That is why we have 2nd amendment... What you are is a liberal but you call Trump a liberal so you don't know what you are talking about..
Any more questions?
.Someone mentioned Americans being religious fanatics.
I could not help but laugh as I aint been in a church except for a funeral in 30 years.It is my opinion you Europeans and others have way to much FAITH in your government and polic#.Way to much.A bobby with a billy stick or a citizen with a gun,which stands a better chance of defending you?
Someone ask why people need or want "assault" weapons?
1 thing you might consider is what gives the criminal the right to "outgun" his victims?
As I have said before,someone with criminal intent has thought out their crime,and intends to catch the victim,that by the way could be YOU ,by surprise. So to protect yourself, you need more or better weapons than the criminal.And you need training to use them so you can effectively diffuse the situation.
Strange how when I was in high school gun safety was a course we took. Now,it is taboo to mention a gun in school. DUMB.Of course we learned how to balance our checking accounts and cook and repair things to.
Frankly,I wish the antigunners had their own state or country to reside in so all the soft targets would be consolidated.The rest of us would be safe as the crooks would know they would be shot back at.
And in the country, there are alot of empty fields and backhoes! So keep your criminal activity in the "crook safe" areas please . Diesel fuel aint cheap!
Folks over there give to much faith to their government and l@w enforcement.
There is no real evidence that gun control works .
Where I sit at this moment,if a incident occurs,I would of course try to dial 911. But regardless if I was being assaulted ,experiencing a heart attack or had fallen from the front porch, response time from any of the emergency services is about 10 to 12 minutes. Now obviously a gun is not going to help with the heart attack or falling off the porch,but if I was being assaulted, 1 bullet could respond to save my life in just a couple seconds.
As for the crook,fuck him,he is a crook.Someone who places no value on life or property and deserves nothing but putting out of the worlds misery.
How accurate are your shots in a panic situation? The assailant is aware of what he is doing,he planned for it,you are caught off guard and have to think quick.5 or 8 shots could be fired before the 9th hits home. The 1 thing in your favor if you are out arming your assailant is he is not expecting that.He will probably run out before you do if you have 30 rounds. Now if he has 30+ rounds, and you have 6, well,you better be cool under pressure and good stance or have a will made out.
And besides, some folks feel secure with a cell phone and a blanket.Some of us feel secure with more.No one is running out and telling the person with a phone and blanket to get a gun. They in turn should not be telling us to give up our security.
This going back and forth on whose right or wrong is inevitably pointless as everyone has a point of view that opposes someone else and won't back down because each feels they are right. Again people will always find a way to kill another person regardless of means. Make guns **** and the killings will become more brutal and sinister.
Virtually any other method of killing people takes far far longer. A crazy man with a semi automatic could kill 10 people in 20 seconds or less, to kill 10 people with a knife or any other method would take far far longer.
youar right though people have entreched views on this subject and are unlikely to change them.
My point is banning this or that solves nothing. If you look at human history it's filled with self created ****. Without changing the way we act, all that's done with be in vain.
I see the point you are trying to make. That is remove ALL weapons from the planet. I don't that any government will agree to that. Weapons have been on this planet, being used by law bidding individuals and criminals alike since their conception. Regardless of whom is allowed to have them or not, criminals WILL get ahold of them and use them on everyone.
Now, let's say the majority of people say the want the 2nd amendment removed from the bill of rights. There's your only defense of having the rest of those rights removed also. You no longer are allowed to protest, speak up for yourself, wear what you want, do (as allowed by law) as you want. Food for thought.
AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I think we both agree that the National Guard and the military can protect this country without any help except to get conscription.
I feel if we repeal it i would still be allowed to wear a bikini,,fuck the President, call my boyfriend a cunt and pray to the Goddess of love,,,
Is this before or after you or your loved 1's lost their lives to the crook?
I would want the cops to go after him and exact revenge for me. I'd be praying the piece of shit would fight the cops so he would die. And if not, I'd like to see him rot the rest of his life doing hard labor in some desert prison. But, even today,,,with all these guns available, Criminals also have guns,,so what's the point??
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I heard on the news yesterday in the US there is a mass shooting EVERY DAY. I hope that is not true.
Politics is a lie and so the one that can lie the best will get elected.. The most charm and convincing. Reagan won because the county was fucked up by Carter big time people had enough of him. When they tried to kill Reagan suddenly he started going more to the left with the Iran Contra Accord then praised the Nazi's.. This really pissed off the Jews. Did I support Reagan? Not really, he was popular by many because he was a good actor. He was strong but he was not the best president by far... Many of his base was disappointed but then the 2 Bush's were a total disaster...As you can see I am not Left or Right.. I want to do what is right... I'm a moderate democrat because it creates different ideas although I honor our constitution. In my opinion Lincoln was the best president, Washington was number 2.. I will listen to people on the left but it doesn't mean I will agree or disagree with them. I feel for what is right and fair.. I was born in America and I broke my ass here. I don't think its fair to support i llegal immigration because it is not l egal.. Why support it when there are americans that are homeless and starving?.. One's that come home from the War but are too injured to work because of their injuries... I will never forgive both Bush's because they are bastards,, yes republicans but the misrepresented ... Most of the Republicans in the senate and the House are a bunch of lying pussies.. I don't have any respect for the 2018 democrat at this point..
The democrats are so far to the left it is not reasonable. They are liars and have no agenda on for the American citizen, only i llegals.. You are all the way to the left so it doesn't make sense I can understand..This is just going in circles.. First define a moderate and compare it to extremism..
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to protect us from invasion.. Like I said in different words.. democrats live off of I'llegals..that's how it works.. conservatives support the constitution,, rhino republicans are democrats but are worse because they pretend to be opposed then vote democrat.. they get their cut.. That's how the business runs.. There is only a handful of conservatives that are senators handful in congress.. we are outnumbered 95-5 the rest is liberal... you really have to identify who is who and you don't know
They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more
To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.
What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..
How does this document help "US" as compared to government? Why are the democrats furious with Trump which you need to have a clear objective as to why !!! Why is FAKE NEWS fake news? As you say,, PEOPLE LIKE YOU or people like me believe in justice and living under laws by the people, not to the people.
Democrats live off of il legals..Plus minorities. Yes. There is some truth that il legals go into labor that americans prefer not to work but it only accounts for 5-10%. The other 90% are either free loaders stealing from tax payers, supporting chi l d sex trafficing or terrorists just like 9-11 where they only wanted to fly a plane, not to land it !
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This independent think tank says:
There are many compelling reasons why having a large undocumented population is a problem for society. It undermines law and order, permits a shadow economy that is harder to regulate, and is simply unfair to the millions of immigrants who have come here legally. Yet, while the undocumented population frequently comes under fierce criticism, the data shows that a large number of the 11.4 million undocumented immigrants here are working, paying taxes, and even starting their own businesses. They also play an integral role in our economy, often filling jobs in agriculture, construction, and hospitality that would otherwise remain vacant.
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Most undocumented immigrants come to the United States because of work opportunities. These individuals are far more likely than the rest of the population to be in the prime of their working years, ranging in age from 25-64. Studies also indicate that undocumented immigrants are not displacing U.S.-born workers. Rather, they are filling jobs that few Americans are interested in pursuing.1 One sector, in particular, offers a striking illustration: Undocumented immigrants account for 50 percent of all hired field and crop workers, making them essential to the success and continued viability of American farms.2
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86.6 percent: Share undocumented males working
$100 billion: Surplus generated by undocumented immigrants in the Social Security program in the last decade.
$35.1 billion: Surplus generated by undocumented immigrants in the Medicare Trust Fund
48 percent: Decline in U.S. violent crime rate from 1990-2018, a time when the undocumented population tripled.
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Seems to me you are wrong,,,
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Godzillas, you said:
They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more
Despite financing and licensing obstacles, undocumented immigrants frequently start their own businesses. In 2014, almost 10 percent of the working-age undocumented population were entrepreneurs. In more than 20 states, they boast higher rates of entrepreneurship than either legal permanent residents or citizens of the same age group. These self-employed workers frequently create American jobs. Their companies also generated $17.2 billion in business income in 2014.
Wow,,maybe we should be calling them to come here
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Godzillas you said
To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.
People like you means exactly that. If describing a type of people and you are one of those than "people like you" is a proper identifier. If you feel it's an insult then you feel that your point of view is an insult.
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Godzillas, you said:
What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..
First, however you and Leo like to play, that is a personal matter and hope you got plenty of whatever you wanted from Leo. It's not my business.
As far as why America exists, it exists because people wanted it to exists. And because, in our country, we have freedom of expression, Hilary Clinton (you people really are fixated on her) has the right to write a book. And guess what,,,you have the right not to read it.
Our forefathers wrote the Constitution to establish the rules that a new nation would follow. A new nation that was breaking away from an oppressive one (England). That it has 27 amendments is a sign that this document is a living document. It allows our people (yes,our people who use the vote to elect representatives to govern us) to change it to fit the direction the nation is going.
And, finally, I am just as judgemental as you are and based on facts. Not "fake" or "democratic" or "extreme left" or "socialistic". Just straight facts.
BUT, I BET YOU WILL TELL ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S OK. EVERYONE ELSE WILL READ THIS EXCHANGE AND REASON (that's what smart people do)
How and why you are writing these circular books over and over is your choice and right.. If you want to believe Hillary Clinton is the angel from G_d almighty then believe it.. So what do you want from me?
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You know, like the other day?
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Fair enough.. Sent you love with an apple pie to enjoy.. My cock for you to see...There ...
lets get Communistic,,,sorry,,Socialistic,,
Not sure about the 'Absurdities' comment! Seems biased, and controversial, at best. . .
Could you maybe add some kind of profanity, maybe some racial slurs, to be MORE OFFENSIVE, with such an ignorant post, based on nothing but personal bias??
Only CRAZY FCKERS kill people and ****!! There was a mass-stabbing in China, a few months ago, and some NUT JOB stabbed and killed 9 kids, with a knife.
Maybe we need to "Proactively" ban KNIVES!!! We don't want that to happen here in the US!!
Get a grip, and post this biased nonsense on a relevant site like the NRA site, or 'Dudesthatloveguns.com!'
Most folks with common sense have no desire to kill. It is the nut jobs that have been allowed to flourish outside the insane asylum and reproduce that are the real issue.But the liberals just want to medicate them and try to understand them while they continue to kill with whatever tools are handy.
In the UK we are indeed attempting to control knives as they have become the weapon of choice for teen hooligans and druggies.
However the difference is that a knife cannot be used from a distance, from the top of a multi story hotel to kill innocent people attending a concert.
Seems that there are two sides, in this controversy: One side says it is NOT THE WEAPONS, but the lack of enforcement of the laws that already exist, and the crazy people that steal, or kill, or illegally get the weapons that they use, to do these INSANE ACTS!
The other side seems to think that a TOTAL BAN, of all weapons is the only solution. If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!!
And, BTW, don't think you can compare other nations with the US, with regards to culture, and weapons/hunting. That's just BS! Cultural differences,alone, make those just stupid arguments!
Your final paragraph really does make perhaps the most important point, US culture is totally different to that of the UK or indeed anywhere else and comparisons are pointless.
This is exemplified by this story -
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I am not taking sides or commenting, the story and the cultures speaks for themselves.
The response to a goofball was shooting and killing him.
It could happen in Europe too, but it's much much rarer because people don't carry guns in their cars.
In The US it's the other way round.
Guns are everywhere and so they're being used.
I agree with many Americans who say: ban the guns and you'll see an increase in fatalities.
That's because there's gazillions of guns and bazookas in the first place.
They've been there forever.
The problem is endemic.
It can't be solved by laws.
The solution requires change of attitude and education.
For now, guns is a religion in America.
Religious people suffer from inability to take criticism for their beliefs.
That's exactly the case with gun owners.
You can say anything in the US, it's a wonderfully free speech society, except criticise guns.
Gun criticism, to Americans, is like god criticism to a religionist.
The problem is not solvable.
It will remain until that society collapses.
(All societies collapse, sooner or later. Iy may take 500 years, sometimes more, but they collapse.)
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors.
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors.
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.
If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!! First, we never outlawed guns entirely. Second, lawless people already own guns and they certainly use them to hurt or kill people while they commit crimes. If we do outlaw guns and some keep them illegally then obviously, these are people who are prone to lawlessness and they should be hunted down to take their guns away.
But, right now, while the 2nd amendment is still the law of the land, how many people die because his neighbor got mad or the guy in the car next to him got mad? how many women die because they were unfaithful to their husband or boyfriend?
And how fast are you with a gun if a mugger pulls a gun on you??? Will you move to Florida where stand your ground laws allow a gun totter kill an unarmed man because the guy pushed him?
The BS comes from you with your poor arguments. Arguments that are old and proven to be false,,,,,not stupid,,
I was at a restaurant about 6 months ago,,this guy bumped a chair and the guy sitting got up and got in the other guy's face. He punched the guy that was sitting. That happens all the time. It's part of humanity. We control our hunter's instincts, but, in a moment of panic or anger, we react before we think. Perfectly sane, good people, in a moment, can kill. If there's no firearm, it's that much harder. Someone mentioned a knife, maybe you did. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to slice flesh in a fight. To feel as you cut someone like you cut a steak is not easy. A gun is impersonal, you squeeze a doohikey and it's out of your hands. Try feeling a cut artery spray you with the other person's b l o o d,,maybe on your face and mouth. I know,,i've worked in a hospital for over 20 yrs. All the arguments in the world will not change my mind. Firearms are not needed. You have your ideas,,fine, but, if you think that in this country everything is done by the vote, then let's do a national vote and the popular vote determines if we ban firearms or not.
religion.
The high capacity magazines are for when one is returning fire on a threat.
The second amendment has very little to do with hunting rights. It is about self protection from law breakers and law makers.
A gun serves two purposes
1 Do what I tell you and give me what I want.
2 Hell NO!
Trying to take guns here in the US by farce or Forc$ will be far worse than any war this country has ever fought.
This is not a logical statement.. Its like saying 1+1 does not equal 2.
The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says: ... Having just used guns and other arms to ward off the English, the amendment was originally created to give citizens the opportunity to fight back against a tyrannical federal government.Jun 28, 2017
Taking guns from people means the government wants more control over people. This is socialism, communism and fascism. Crooks will not care if it is right or not. They will just kill you with NO fear..
You can't argue with religious people.
The fact I don't trust our piss poor government with my safety and national security has nothing to do with religion.It is the simple fact they are impotent and incapable of doing anything right without fucking it up.
I fear my government almost as much as I do muslim terrorist.
1. Religion is not just belief in god or gods but belief in the irrational. The belief is so strong that no matter what evidence you provide the religionist against his/her beliefs, he/she will deny everything and get angry, roll up his sleeves and be ready to defend his beliefs by fist fight, and anger. This is what gun supporters (in the US) do. Their beliefs form a religion. Hitler was a religionist too. So was Stalin. So was Attila.
2. It is actually a fact that those who defend guns mostly, especially in the south, Texas, etc, are religious in the traditional sense, in fact, in a way that is worse than traditional: they belong to those medieval sects of christianity that characterizes US nowadays. I'm talking about the evangelical christians, the southern baptists, the pentecostals, and so on, all these primitive, backwards sects that define at least 35% of americans. Those guys are also gun owners and users. The higher the (american-type) religiosity of someone the greater the chance that he/she has guns. If you go to a typical pentecostal, say, church in the US you'll see that almost all the (deluded) individuals who go there also have guns.
The US, like Saudi Arabia, is a very backwards place as regards the religion, and they're both in top 10 countries in gun ownership in the world, the US being, of course, the number 1 champion.
I understand that you may not be a religious guy, you don't believe in gods, spirits and all that junk that most americans do, but don't judge from yourself.
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These are random references. But there's well-established research on the matters I'm talking about. Besides, it's common sense that the backwardness of the US with respect to religion is there, big time, and it has stOOpid consequences, guns notwithstanding.
Take a look at the following paper:
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Stephen M. Merino, God and Guns: Examining Religious Influences on Gun Control Attitudes in the United States, Religions 2018, 9, 189; doi:10.3390/rel9060189
Abstract: Mass shootings in the United States have generated significant media coverage and public
concern, invigorating debates over gun control. Media coverage and academic research on gun control
attitudes and reactions to mass shootings have paid little attention to the role of religion. Recent
research sheds light on the complex relationship between religion and guns, including higher rates of
gun ownership and stronger opposition to gun control among white evangelical Protestants. Using
nationally representative survey data, this study examines the relationship between religious identity,
gun ownership, and support for a range of gun control policies, including proposed remedies for
preventing mass shootings. Compared with individuals from other religious traditions, evangelical
Protestants are most opposed to stricter gun control laws and enforcement, even with statistical
controls for gun ownership and demographic characteristics. Rather, they favor individualistic
solutions and putting more emphasis on religious values in their social surroundings. I discuss how
these findings reflect the cultural tools evangelical Protestants use to construct their understandings
of social problems, including gun ****, and the broader implications for gun policy in the
United States.
Keywords: evangelical Protestants; Catholics; black Protestants; gun policy preferences; gun control;
mass shootings
But I must admit,my faith in my government has not risen any!
I hope you folks NEVER have to learn or understand why guns are important.I hope you can continue to feel safe with a "boby" riding a bicycle carrying a club and a 2 way radio.
the gun was innocent,,,the man did all the killing,,,
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Let me clarify this using the "logic" of American gun lovers. It's the fault of the victims that they were killed. If they were carrying bazookas 24/7 and were trained to shoot any time they felt threat this wouldn't have happened. Well, they could have killed others too, but it doesn't matter. The point is that guns save lives. When there's a killing by guns people should buy more guns for themselves and their families. A fully armed population doesn't have to fear anything.
1 shooting in 73 year is not a bad average.
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There are, of course, enlightened Americans too. TWOWARMTTS, is a bright example. She is never influenced by the status quo and is always able to think independently.
It's late today , or maybe early tomorrow. I don't know. I'm listening to George Harrison sing My Sweet Lord and started to think. I may ramble. The Tito's Handmade Vodka is good. But, to get back to good old George, he sang his Sweet Lord. Is that Jesus? Some other Lord? Who can tell me. And, while we are at it, does a sweet Lord exist? I don't know. There's so much killing, maiming, and injustice in this world, how can He be and let it happen. The history of this world is fraught with the countless souls that died because of His religion. Take your pick witch one. Old George really wanted to see him, really wanted to know him. Why? If He was there and he cared wouldn't he have arrived already? How long, how many more must perish or be maimed in the name of this aberration in the human psychy.
Percentage of those owned by Americans: 48%
Population of the US as a percentage of the Earth population: 5%
Mass shootings in the US as a percentage of all mass shootings on Earth: 31%
Number of times homicide rates in the US exceed those in other high-income countries: 25 times
Number of times gun-related suicides exceed those in other high-income countries: 8 times
Are US law-enf0rcement agencies required to report on gun killings by police? No
Countries with most guns (Number of guns per 100 citizens)
US: 89
Yemen: 55
Switzerland: 46
Finland: 45
Serbia: 38
Cyprus: 36
Saudi Arabia: 35
Iraq: 34
Uruguay: 32
Sweden: 32
Maybe I don't understand American culture as much as you do, but I have met dozens of Americans who have the same point of vie as yours: that the warzone that has been created by the gun religion ought to seize to exist. And there are two ways for this to happen: either educate or wait in until America collapses.
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The reports are revealing.
It's totally naive to separate people into good and bad. Totally.
Also, in america, religious people (and they happen to be millions and millions) are supposed to be "good", which is totally absurd.
Also, blind obeying to a law, a law that has been instituted by someone with dubious credentials and purposes is not ethical. Lawmakers are often act selfishly and laws are being passed to protect the financial interests of the ones in power. Obeying a law is not very strongly correlated to being good.
There are many people who've gone to prison who are much better human beings than those who run a country.
mor·al
ˈmфrəl/
noun
plural noun: morals
1.
a lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.
Now,taking the Bible out of the picture,Which even for a Atheist should be a sensible source of "story's" to derive a code of life from ,are we supposed to derive a quality standard of living from a Dr Seuss book?
Let me ask you a question or 2 Leopold.
Would you steal or kill or slander a neighbor? I seriously doubt you do or have. So,with that in mind, where did you learn not to do those things from? Where did your code of life or "morals" as we call them,come from?
No, I haven't killed and do not own a bazooka or gun, for this reason.
I didn't think you had committed harm,just was setting the example. Making progress now towards understanding your thinking and where your ideas come from. Just gota figure out how that principle was founded,the roots of it so to speak.
Once people begin to understand each others beliefs and where they came from,it makes it easier to find common ground.
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Funny! The word animal (singular) is not censored but an1mals (plural) is.
Each of us has different life experiences and that is what molds us and directs our future. sadly some of us have had some purty tuff spots to muddle our way thru and it leaves us a bit callused.
Katz was hospitalized twice as a teenager for mental illness and prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medications, the Baltimore Sun reported, citing his parents' divorce filings.
The fellow was upset that he lost a game for crying out loud.At least he saved the tax payers alot of money taking himself out.Saved alot of paper work for the l@w enfor@ment to.
The victims were in their 20's! And still playing video GAMES? Sheesh, video games are for kids!
So---it's okay that some deranged psycho with a gun killed them?
If you are hiking in the mountains and a bear comes along ready to pounce on you. Would you rather have a big stick, or a piece of beef jerky,or maby a gun?
What is the primary purpose of a truck? To move things.But it can still be used as a tool for killing.So to miss the point people are trying to make is kinda silly as well.
How many people use a screw driver for prying something? Alot of folks.But it is really only for SCREWING! But missuse is still rampant.
The old joke I have heard for years was if you go into the woods where bears are,take a 22 caliber pistol and someone you don't like. If a bear chases you, shoot the ahole in the shin and then all you have to do is outrun him!
1. Do what I say.
2. Hell no!
A third purpose is putting meat on the table
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My job calls for me to carry a weapon where ever I go
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Yes the crook died. But the k1ds have a new lease on life and has a mother.Life has value.I would place a higher value on the mother and k1ds than I would on the piece of manure trying to steal from them and threaten to harm them.
On average there are nearly 13,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.View annual gun homicides in the US
For every one person killed with guns, two more are injured.
The number of Americans injured with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable. The CDC’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System estimates the number of annual non-fatal firearm injuries based on reports from a sample of hospital emergency departments: over the last five years, there were more than 200 non-fatal firearm injuries each day.3 View data on non-fatal firearm injuries Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides. Of the 175,703 firearm deaths in the US from 2012 to 2016 (the most recent five years of data available), 108,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total,everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.4
View more information about firearm fatalities by intent in the US Seven **** and teens (age 19 or under) are killed with guns in the U.S. on an average day.
Rates of firearm injury death increase rapidly after age 12. And unintentional shootings of **** and teens are under reported in the CDC data, possibly because of the difficulty of characterizing a ****’s intent after he or she has killed himself or a playmate with a firearm. Every town tracks unintentional shootings involving ****, which occur every 34 hours, on average. 5 View CDC data on **** and teens killed with guns In an average month, 50 women are shot to death by intimate partners in the U.S.And more than half of all women killed by intimate partners in the U.S. are killed with guns.6 View data on gun homicides of women by a current or former intimate partner America’s gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of other high-income countries.An analysis of gun homicide rates in developed countries— those considered “high-income” by the World Bank — found that the United States accounted for 46 percent of the population but 82 percent of the gun deaths.7 View more on how the US gun homicide rate compares with that of other developed countries Background checks are a central component of America's efforts to keep guns from criminals: since their inception, they have blocked over 3 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers.According to a study by the Department of Justice, between 1994 and 2014, federal, state, and local agencies conducted background checks on more than 180 million firearm applications and denied 2.82 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers. To date, the background check system has blocked over 3 million firearm sales to prohibited purchasers.8 Black men are 13 times more likely than non-hispanic white men to be shot and killed with guns.Black Americans make up 14 percent of the U.S. population but are victims of more than half of all gun homicides.10 View more on gun homicides and race in America When a gun is present in a situation of domestic ****, it increases the risk the woman will be killed five fold.A case-control study of 11 cities found that in a domestic **** situation, the perpetrator’s access to a gun increased the odds of femicide by more than five times (adjust OR=5.44, 95% CI = 2.89, 10.22).11
Note on Data Sources
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FBI collect data on firearm homicides — the former from medical examiners and the latter from local ****. Each data set has distinct advantages and flaws. The CDC’s National Vital Statistics System records a higher percentage of all firearm deaths but fails to capture details about their circumstances, including the relationship of the perpetrator to the victim. This makes it unsuitable for measuring gun **** between people of certain relationships.
In contrast, the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) include details on the perpetrator and weapon but are more likely to be missing records because the FBI relies on police departments to voluntarily submit their homicide data on an annual basis. Despite these gaps, SHR data are utilized widely in the criminology community. The SHR do not include data from the state of Florida. Everytown obtained data directly from the Florida Department of ****. Women killed by former dating partners (as opposed to current dating partners) are not categorized in the Florida data and are not included.12
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There it is,,The CDC an arm of the Federal government, not "fake news" and the FBI, also a part of the Federal government, put out these studies,,,the bottom line is that gun **** occurs because there are guns,,,if the problem had been knives we might be talking about limiting knives. If this doesn't make sense to you then, as Country Couple said, "Cody, don't waste your time. It's an endless effort with them.",,,,
BUT in response to Warm Tits about being a Man or not,
Some of us are not physically able to fight off a attacker and need the extra help to level the playing field.
A attacker has plenty of time to plan his actions and is equipped for the task at hand.And they usually are not alone. It is not a matter of proving I am a man.If all the hair on my chest and lack of boobs is not enough then let them wonder.
As of 2017, Gallup found that 42 percent of American households reported owning guns. With an estimated 118 million households in the United States, per the U.S. Census, that would mean that the country's 393 million guns are distributed among 50 million households.Jun 19, 2018
The percentage of misused guns and people who misuse them is very very small. Those who are working to impose world governance want to disarm civilians
If you want to see what the new world order looks like, look at China.
Dissent is useless and often fatal.
More people die from Drunk Drivers, and nobody is banning cars!! More people die from Opiod overdose, and just now, they see that as an issue.
Take out the Suicides, by gun, and the criminal actions, when they should never have gotten them, but just stole, or killed someone, for them, then the real statistics make gun deaths just a minor thing!
but something some people just JUMP ON, like it is some DEMON!!
Just because there are lots of discussions on these issues. MANY members publish irrelevant stuff here, from jokes, to history, to politics, etc.
"More people die from Drunk Drivers, and nobody is banning cars!!"
Indeed. The difference, however, is that those who die in cars die because of accidents, not because the drunk driver targeted them. On the other hand, those who die from guns die because the shooter wanted to kill them, he or she had planned the killing, as is often the case in schools.
"the real statistics make gun deaths just a minor thing!"
This is true. From the point of view of numbers, gun deaths are fewer than other deaths. But gun shootings occur in countries that have very low intelligence amongst its populations. Such is the case in the US. 35-40% of Americans are creationists and ultra-fundamentalist-religionists. Those are the people who are most likely to own guns and use them.
People come here for dick pics or talking, and issues, and this kind of stuff just blows the mood, OK??
Yeah, maybe, just maybe, a teeny, tiny bit relevant, but only to those that like having lots of guns, and BIG guns, and maybe 'compensating' for some personal issues??
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Why don't you ask the Jews and Israel what happened to them after the Nazi's took their guns away, Leo...
If you don't like it, just don't come here. Piece of cake.
The US and Canada are very similar in our culture and economy. We're similar people. Not the same but similar.
We have very different gun laws though.
The US population is about ten times that of Canada.
In 2016, 611 Canadians died because of guns.
10 x 611 = 6,110
In 2016, about 38,000 people died in the US because of guns.
See the difference? Those are real statistics and it is not a minor thing.
What separates the crook from the law abiding citizen is the fact the crook gets what he wants any way he can.He has no ethics,and has no respect for law and order or life in general.
Lay abiding citizen wants a gun he has to fulfill requirements like back ground checks and age and so forth.No big deal really but the crook does none of that.He just steals the gun from the legal citizen while they are away from it or takes it from their hand as they lay dieing.
Gun control will never work in this country.You can forget it.
If you really want to work on fixing gun **** keep criminals in jail, get the illegals out of here and teach people life has meaning and value. Then and only then will people feel safe enough to put their guns away and live peacefully and with peace of mind.Until you restore the peace of mind in the general population,you will never get any results.
I don't make the law's,I didn't write the constitution either.
So I can't answer that 1 question.
As for being a scared asshole because I own a gun?
As for killing the criminals, uh,without a gun what would be approved to use to kill them with? A club? Inhumane,may take more than 1 blow. A knife,might miss a artery. There would be laws for knife control,and club control,because the criminals have rights.Even though they have no respect for the rights of their victims.
I haven't read the Pratt thing,sounds like he was lead into a trap or perhaps some manipulation of words was used to make him seem more stupid that he was.But to put a gun in the hands of a 5 year old is not smart and most Americans know better than to do that.
I NEVER called you so.
"I haven't read the Pratt thing"
That's why I posted it, so one can read. That's why I linked three video. That man is an example of how stupid one can be. Stoopid.
We all live under different laws,different life experiences.
These discussions are more productive that folks may realize.
Go fuck yourself and jerk off to a Jimmy Saville tape.
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this is me visiting my Dad's grave in Florida Natiomal Cemetery in Bushnell, Florida.
"Fix your own problems first before you start telling another nation how to fix theirs."
I was not aware that Brittan had "grooming gangs". Do they brush your hair if it's not just right?
"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself."
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One thing I should add, many years ago more people owned guns that they do now and they were easier to get. Yet you never heard of these shootings like nowadays. Something is at work, I don't know what.
"The science behind this program is proven. Ch1ldren under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives."
Also if you remove crime statistics from major democrat run cities the numbers plummet significantly...
Here are some examples of buy backs.
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I don't like guns. I've never held one, but I was once shot at when I was younger and it was something I forgot about within weeks and never bothered me because that's, thankfully, a rare thing over here, but there is a definite increase in gun crime reports here nowadays, but I still defend the rights of people to defend themselves and their famil1es despite my views.
What worries me about it all most though is how the "normality" of those everyday shootings is stopping the young people in that community from learning the value of life because a lot of them aren't living long enough to experience the good as well as the bad they already know. That's fucking sad!
I don't have any answers, but it was obvious that they've lost all faith in the police, who are supposed to be protectors, and now take the law into their own hands, but I can't see justice in a kneejerk reaction that only creates more sadness and k1ds growing up without a d4d, br0ther unc1e... That downward spiral will never be broken while the police keep stopping and frisking young black guys on the street simply because they're there and happen to be black. Nobody trusts each other anymore. It makes me sad to see a mother sleeping with an automatic rifle under her pillow, taking a bath with a pistol in the bathroom just in case... Awful.
Please don't jump on me saying stuff like, "Yeah, well you don't know anything...etc"
"The science behind this program is proven. Ch1ldren under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives."
You MUST watch him, and other idiots, in the TV episode of Who Is America here
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Is America Insane, asks the New Republic
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See also the Guardian article
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The solution: give everyone a gun, no give them two, but first make sure they're good. If they're bad don't give them guns. This way, the good ones will protect from the bad ones.
So simple, isn't it?
Jesus said to turn the other cheek.
Was he wrong?
I'm sure Jesus would want us to be able to protect our family against people trying to kill us, and not let us just be killed without a fight. We have to survive and live, right? Unfortunately talking won't help much if bullets are randomly flying everywhere. When trying to negotiate with a bullet, you'll lose every time.
There are only two solutions to the problem of gun vioIence: remove guns from the equation and remove the willingness to use guns on one another. Both are behavioral, and both will require a change in culture.
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Damn...I can't help but laugh whenever someone says something like that. They are always people who forget that the US Constitution was designed to be a LIVING document. The intent of the original drafters was to provide for the PEOPLE to be able to change/modify its contents...through the democratic process...when it was warranted.
If that were not so, slavery would still be legal, women would not be allowed to vote, and equal rights under the law would not be guaranteed to all citizens.
The "Love it or Leave it" attitude is probably the most UN-American concept that a US citizen could express.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
What I read was that states have the right to armed militias as a check on the power of federal institution, not that unaffiliated citizens have the right to lethal weapons as a check against one another.
Indeed, that was the general reading until the Reagan administration; I'll let Supreme Court Justice Stevens explain further: only registered users can see external links
What makes either reading correct? Who says anyone has the right to deprive another of life, in any context?
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The division of people into 'good' and 'bad' is a shamefully gross oversimplification that glosses reality and contributes to the marginalization that results in vioIence. Anyone who suggests that dissenters are unwelcome denies the democratic process its place and creates two classes of citizens. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
By most accounts, America owes its success to its inclusiveness and willingness to give grand ideas a chance.
Is that wrong??
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hey admin why are you blocking the word **** in my post
"Bush created ISIS... by invading Iraq for no reason other than to steal oil.. Destroy IRAQ's govt.... then leave the country in anarchy,,,, thus create ISIS"
is true and if the statement of cumonme1 above
"And the way things are going around the world world with isis and other groups i would recommend buying a gun Because I believe we will see more terror activities here in the united states"
is also true, who do you think the gun owners should target?
The answers are that ISIS created ISIS. It doesn't matter that coalition forces created a power vacuum in territories now controlled by ISIS (though I do not wish to marginalize the culpability said coalition has in the [most recent] destabilization of the region).
That a terrorist attack has been 'thwarted' by the threat of retaliation by armed, non-military citizens is similarly inconsequential, in the near terms. It could equally (and just as validly) be argued that the characteristics of the attack would change in response; the threat of an armed public would be countered by weaponry or tactics which would render that moot.
The picture only registered users can see external links on top left reminds me of the 9-year old girl who shot her instructor with an uzi. only registered users can see external links She had gone with her parents to a fast food joint called Bullets and Burgers only registered users can see external links and was given an uzi to shoot, for fun. But she shot her instructor because an uzi shoots 600 rounds per minute.
Sweet.
And who created Isis? They've been around beheading people and reading their single book they're allowed to which says it's ok....for 3000 years. So who really creates them? US policies or Colt 1871 single action revolvers? Or the Russian AK rifle developed in the 50's? Every man 21 and older is required to own a rifle. The one they received in the mandatory 1 year military service. Not much crime there.
Get your head out of your ass and open your eyes, this shit is not just synonymous with the United States!
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His name is Ben Carson and he's a candidate for one of the parties in the USA. I guess the put him on the list to get votes from blacks. His statement is .... to die for. ... Of laughter. He's supposed to be an educated person, but, clearly, not in history. Oh well. Whatever works. Whatever will attract votes. ...
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cumonme1:
"And the way things are going around the world world with isis and other groups i would recommend buying a gun Because I believe we will see more terror activities here in the united states."
leopoldij:
"Two things to consider: who created isis? has a terrorist activity ever been deterred because people had guns?"
Sawdust:
"Bush created ISIS... by invading Iraq for no reason other than to steal oil.. Destroy IRAQ's govt.... then leave the country in anarchy,,,, thus create ISIS."
leopoldij:
"Well, then, if your statement is true and if the statement of cumonme1 above is also true, who do you think the gun owners should target?"
"Sawdust", I know Americans have a very self-reliant approach to life and this is admirable, but an easy access to firearms for anyone cannot be good. I know there are more countries than the USA that have this problem. No matter the responsible behaviour of the majority of gun holders there will always be people who should not have a gun, whether because of mental, psychological or prejudicial problems. I cannot be right that people can carry out such a action as shooting someone on the basis of some fault of character. This will still happen, but surely some effort ought to be made to makes this behaviour more difficult. What do you think?
GUN VIO.LENCE ARCHIVE
2015 (ONLY! ) TOLL OF GUN VIO.LENCE
Total Number of Incidents 40,253
Number of Deaths 10,148
Number of Injuries 20,637
Number of chi*ldren (age 0-11) Killed/Injured 560
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured 2,023
Mass Shooting 266
Officer Involved Shooting 3,380
Home Invasion 1,719
Defensive Use 922
Accidental Shooting 1,424
Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 **** under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
So Admin can you spot the can you spot the difference between Crash deaths and Gun deaths? Or should I explain it to you?
Also, I should point out that in that original stat there are very different numbers. For example - if cops shoot people they would still be shooting people even if you take guns from the population. Also, criminals would still possess weapons. The only difference is that if you take guns away from law abiding citizens there would be no defensive use and accidental shooting deaths.
Firearms however are of no use defensively. That's part of the reason society needs to move towards a future where people don't need to defend themselves.
Since the topic is Guns, this president is not really qualified to be a true leader, meaning he has no clue what he is doing. Sadly, his cabinet and political party kiss his ass because of their oath of loyalty. Its a real bad mess here right now..
Society has to make rules to protect the idiots from themselves...but the people making the rules are idiots....so we are all getting deceived/manipulated by a bunch of idiots....humanity in a nutshell...
1. Make drivers better.
That was fruitless, because people are stupid. And aren't willing to work harder to save lives.
2. Improve Roadways.
Nope, not gonna happen State budgets! Money! Money! Money!
3. Raise Mandatory Crash Safety Ratings for Vehicles.
This is the one that got used. And it's the reason you can't see out of the back of four door cars built after 2013. They literally made rules to protect people from themselves.