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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by #485312 at 15,Dec,20 23:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By lawrenceo at 19,Nov,21 16:57 other posts of lawrenceo 
The increase in CO2 has been going on for 200 years and the reason for that is the increase in world population, the march of science and the progression of industry.

The population of the world two hundred years ago was one seventh of what it is now. The only answer to an eventual serious problem is a reduction in population. That will not come about through families having fewer children.

Nature will eventually intervene as it has done in the past.
By phart at 07,Dec,21 22:01 other posts of phart 
what actions do you foresee Nature doing to intervene?
A virus perhaps?

By Sissyfagsub at 12,Nov,21 00:51 other posts of Sissyfagsub 
Global warming is nothing.just another stractic lye far left started.
By phart at 12,Nov,21 01:29 other posts of phart 
The name of the scam has changed from global cooling to global warming. There was nothing they could use between them so they homogenized it to be "climate change".This way,either direction it goes they can scream how right they were about the climate changing. Kinda like your weather man telling you there is a 50% chance of rain. Either way,he is right and gets paid to boot!
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Nov,21 15:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Global cooling" was a hypothesis from ONE scientist in 1975.
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But sure, the 100% scientists who support climate change are lying.
And people who use that "global cooling" story as an argument are honest
By phart at 12,Nov,21 17:59 other posts of phart 
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These were in my classroom when I was in school. I very well remember the term global cooling as being a very common thing talked about by Far more than 1 person. There was several articles in this reader that I remember well. 1 was of the earth inside a green house, the other was along with a page about the SST.

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Nov,21 16:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's sort of true that the left discovered climate change. The scientist who proposed the hypothesis, that changing the proportion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would change its temperature, was American scientist (including biology, especially botany),
an inventor, and a women's rights campaigner from Seneca Falls, New York.
Women's rights campaigners tend to be on the left of the political spectrum.

Don't you think not-far-left-scientists could have debunked the science by now,
if it was actually not real?

Or are only far left people capable of doing science?

Actually, it's pretty obvious that far right ideology damages the brain so much,
that understanding science becomes impossible.
By CAT at 12,Nov,21 17:21 other posts of CAT 
Ananas2xLekker, don’t bother with the likes of Phart or Sissyfagsub. They are part of the Flat Earth Society. If we ever have another Biblical flood, they’ll be on the docks waving goodbye to the New Ark, yelling,”Goodbye suckers” "
By phart at 12,Nov,21 17:52 other posts of phart 
We might be on the dock waving bye but YOU will be the 1 asking if anyone wants a cold beer out of the cooler.
The earth is round.

By lawrenceo at 02,Nov,21 14:08 other posts of lawrenceo 
We do not see or hear much about the speedily rising population of the world. The more people there are around doing 20th/21st C stuff the more that we will produce CO2,

Nature will sort this out if we do not do it first. The pandemic is an illustration of what Nature can do. Just think of that x 100.
By CAT at 02,Nov,21 16:49 other posts of CAT 
Yet, the Chinese are advocating for families to have 3 children.
By phart at 02,Nov,21 17:16 other posts of phart 
Strange as not long ago people were driving nails in babies heads to kill them over there to prevent over population.
By CAT at 02,Nov,21 17:55 other posts of CAT 
They found out that now they have a labor shortage and want to catch up
By phart at 02,Nov,21 21:05 other posts of phart 
WELL MY OH MY! Have I got a DEAL for YOU Mr Chinese Business man needing labor!
Bring yourself a couple boats over to the Texas border and there is a large number of people crossing mexico right now that want to WORK and be a Asset to a country, born and raised to work hard in the heat and eat rice and refried beans!
We don't need them,YOU do. Come git em, put em to work!
Fix your Labor Shortage NOW,not 20 years from now!
By CAT at 03,Nov,21 00:49 other posts of CAT 
You are so wrong in so many ways, Phart. What have these people done to you?
By phart at 03,Nov,21 02:23 other posts of phart 
Why or how am I wrong? What have those people done FOR ME or for America? Other than fill jobs that americans could be doing if left hungry long enough to decide a job is better than starvation.
By CAT at 03,Nov,21 11:18 other posts of CAT 
Why do they have to do anything for you or America other than be law abiding and work? They fill those jobs whether Americans want jobs or not. And don't mix Americans desire to have better jobs before they go to work with these people. You are a racist bigot and you hide it with "they take jobs from us" and "they are a burden to the taxpayer". These people came looking for help. Can't you be magnanimous enough to give a neighbor a helping hand?
By phart at 03,Nov,21 14:49 other posts of phart 
a neighbor yes,but they are not neighbors.they are in another country.With it's own government it's own ways.They could fix their own issues and stay home.
By CAT at 03,Nov,21 15:46 other posts of CAT 
Phart, perhaps if you use your block as an example, they are all your neighbors. The trip from their country to our southern border is full of lethal dangers. Don’t you think that if they had the option to stay and fix their problems they would?
By phart at 03,Nov,21 18:55 other posts of phart 
Simple answer,No. Complicated answer ,maby. The Americans started a revolution with very little wealth, few weapons but a desire to be free.
By CAT at 03,Nov,21 23:25 other posts of CAT 
And no enemy in the new world
By phart at 04,Nov,21 02:39 other posts of phart 
Here is a Immigrant that did some things right!
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Look where she is now! From Jamaica
By CAT at 12,Nov,21 17:25 other posts of CAT 
One immigrant? Phart, you do know that all natural born Americans except for native Americans, are descendants of immigrants, right?

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Nov,21 16:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Yet, the Chinese are advocating for families to have 3 children"

China ALLOWS 3 children.
How many children does your government ALLOW?

My government doesn't limit the number of children, while The Netherlands has a 3.3x higher population density than China. But with fertility rate of around 1.5 children per woman, we don't have a problem. China has a fertility rate of 1.7 children per woman.
The US has a fertility rate of 1.8. A fertility rate under 2 is not a problem.
Taiwan has the lowest fertility rate worldwide; 1.07 children per woman.
Taiwan is also the seventeenth most densely populated country in the world.

China scrapped its decades-old one-child policy in 2016, replacing it with a two-child limit which has failed to lead to a sustained upsurge in births. Now China has announced that it will allow couples to have up to three children, after census data showed a steep decline in birth rates.
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By phart at 12,Nov,21 17:54 other posts of phart 
"How many children does your government ALLOW?"
Sadly to many because most of the idiots can't support all the kids they produce.

By phart at 05,Nov,21 02:13 other posts of phart 
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By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Nov,21 17:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump actually made a good point about the glass bottles there.
By phart at 05,Nov,21 20:18 other posts of phart 
Yea,several good points actually.
Never did understand why the drink companys would rather have to depend on new containers instead of cleaning and reusing them.Used to pick up bottles along the roadside when I was in high school to make extra gas money and such.
Now aluminum cans are not even worth picking up.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Nov,21 12:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's called 'privatizing the profits, socializing the losses'.
One of the losses is damage to the environment.

By bigone21 at 05,Nov,21 01:51 other posts of bigone21 
It IS happening! And our grandchildren won't care S H I T about our ways to deny it..! They will ask us why we were so stupid!!!
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Nov,21 12:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yep, but it won't be our grandchildren but our children.
People with eyes and a brain already ask why the rest is so stupid!!!

By phart at 28,Oct,21 03:16 other posts of phart 
Well,I guess this is a good thing in a way.
IF young people are stupid enough to let all the "climate change" claims scare them this bad, they don't need to reproduce.
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By CAT at 02,Nov,21 16:53 other posts of CAT 
Stupid enough? What, you are a disbeliever of climate change too? Isn’t there anything in this world that worries you?
By phart at 02,Nov,21 17:11 other posts of phart 
Yea,those missile silo's the chinese are building. The missiles that north korea are building .Another virus from china. Among alot of other things.
You must be in quite a safe little world to just be worryed about something such as climate change.It has been changing since long before humans came along.and it will change after we are gone.

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,21 19:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Right-wingers only do irrational fears. They are terrified of the smallest risks,
but completely deny clear and present dangers.

Terrified of terrorists / against any gun restrictions for insane people
Terrified of vaccines / dying from Covid to own the libs
Terrified of a meteorite ending earth / denying climate change
Terrified of libs taking their freedom / working 7/12 shifts for peanuts
By phart at 02,Nov,21 19:30 other posts of phart 
Right wingers want insane people back in asylum's where they belong. No guns ,no danger to society.
We are not dying of wuhan any faster that the libtards. We just make the news because we were vocal.Even the red headed circle back gal from the white house is + for the virus .You would think that place would be a big safety bubble by now being it is full of libturds.
We don't deny the climate is changing, we deny that taxing the fuck out of everything and everyone is going to stop it .Common sense.
We have our weekends. 40 - 50 hours a week to earn a living to support yourself and be a asset to society is not loss of freedom,it makes it possible dingbat!
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,21 21:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Unvaccinated people have 11 times more risk of dying from Covid than vaccinated people.
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You have denied that the climate is changing many times. Drastically decreasing CO2 emissions will prevent the worst effects of climate change, which is devastation on an unprecedented scale. The damage will be much more expensive than preventing it. And it will cause constant death and misery. Humanity can cut back the emissions drastically now or we can wait a bit longer until we are forced to completely stop all emissions, in trying to save ourselves. It will only get more expensive and more horrible the longer we wait.
You will remember me, in 10 to 20 years, when you are dying from heat stroke, after
8 weeks of 120+°F and your air conditioning broke or you can't afford the power, because of price gouging. Unless you die in a wildfire, a storm or in a riot over water and food. But, you still might outlive me, because my country is mostly below sea level. When enough dikes break, it's game over.

People in 7/12 shifts don't have weekends. Many people in that Frito-Lay had been working for many months every single day. Workers who clock in for a 7 a.m to 3 p.m. shift are often forced to work four hours of overtime, "then [the company will] turn you right around and bring you in at 3 o'clock in the morning. So you only have 8 hours off to get home, shower, see your family, get some sleep and get back to work.". And that for a wage that DOESN'T support them. That's not freedom.

By CAT at 02,Nov,21 20:47 other posts of CAT 
Phart, Ananas is right. Insane people have to be diagnosed insane first and then, how insane are they. Who is taxing the fuck out of everything and everyone to stop climate change? Stopping climate change is impossible. Stopping accelerated climate change is possible. Phart, instead of making open claims, name 20 things that are being taxed (more than normal) or 20 people that are being taxed because of climate change.
By phart at 02,Nov,21 21:03 other posts of phart 
You might want to look at what is fuel tax,the tax they want to put on natural gas ?
By CAT at 03,Nov,21 00:39 other posts of CAT 
Federal and state governments impose gas taxes to help pay for road infrastructure projects. The average state gas tax is about 30 cents a gallon, though they range from less than 10 cents to nearly 60 cents a gallon.Apr 30, 2021

Google what are state and federal fuel taxes used for.
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How much is the carbon tax on natural gas?
The federal carbon charge puts a price of $40 on each tonne of greenhouse gas created by burning fossil fuels. Since natural gas produces greenhouse gases, the federal government has set a carbon charge equal to 7.83 cents that is applied to each cubic metre of natural gas that we sell.Apr 1, 2021

Wow, that will really put a strain on people’s pocket

By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Nov,21 12:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm not going to tell you that protecting humanity from the worst effects of climate change is FREE. Why should it be? You are willing to pay taxes to have your military 'protect' you. That costs you $850 billion per year. Did that money protect you from Russia or the Taliban taking over the US or terrorists killing you? Maybe, but I think you could have achieved that for maximum half the price. But you want to increase their budget and pay the taxes for it, because they say your military is 'crumbling'.

However, climate change is going to make all our lives worse, every coming year. You're just lucky you haven't felt it yet. But, you're already paying for the damages and the costs will skyrocket. That will be due to rebuilding of infrastructure after disasters, protecting areas against flooding, moving people from areas that cannot be saved, strengthening infrastructure to withstand storms, providing the public with drinking water, expanding the power grid for all the air-conditioning, increasing food prices due to failed harvests from droughts, the south becoming to hot for cows, etc..
If you think doing nothing will be cheaper, you are wrong.

If the doctor finds a tumor, but he assures you he can save your life by cutting it out, are you saying "No!", because that costs money?

By bigone21 at 05,Nov,21 00:41 other posts of bigone21 
Right-on Ananas2xLekker!

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,21 19:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"IF young people are stupid enough to let all the "climate change" claims scare them this bad, they don't need to reproduce."

They don't need to reproduce anyway, there are already enough people.

By phart at 04,Nov,21 16:20 other posts of phart 
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Nuclear power has similar disposal issues.

Folks are worried about cow farts affecting our air in the future,what if some of this liquid leaks into the water supply? What if,---------
Just don't make nuclear waste and you don't have to bury it and HOPE it does not cause a issue.
By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Nov,21 16:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That cocooning is horrible. It's just leaving shit to your progeny.
Not that bunkers full of radioactive waste aren't also leaving shit to your progeny,
but at least it's more concentrated in one location.
Nuclear power is not the solution. It emits CO2 when the uranium is mined, comparable with other solutions, that don't leave radioactive waste for up to a million years.
There isn't even enough uranium left that can be mined at economically viable cost.

Studies also show, the economics of nuclear power has never been financially viable. Most plants have been built while heavily subsidized by governments, often motivated by military purposes.

Real renewable energy is just hydro, solar, wind, geothermal, wave, tide and biomass
(if done correctly). It takes some resources to build the systems, but oil and coal don't just magically get out of the ground and turn into fuel and electricity either.

Actually, if you collect those cow farts, they make great energy too.

By phart at 04,Nov,21 16:25 other posts of phart 
About that windpower,
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I am glad that at least there is some hope of recycling the old fiberglass into concrete products and such.
The landfill thing is sickening.
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By phart at 16,Oct,21 13:59 other posts of phart 
Climate change is a money making scheme.
It keeps everything considered outdated ,over polluting and etc to force constant economic strife and prevent profits and better living.
Liberal leaners that really push "climate change" could simply be jealous that people are enjoying the fruits of their labor to much. We crawled out of the caves and we developed machines and methods to improve our lives and giving ourselves independence and a chance to be proud and happy. Liberals HATE those concepts. Liberals LOVE division, hatred, strife, sadness, anything that brings you down as a human.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Oct,21 13:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, it's a liberal scheme, because liberals are just bad people.
'They want to destroy the country!' even if they live in it too.

That's not even reasoning, that's just lazy. It's sad that Republicans are satisfied with such a stupid explanation. It's division and hatred, exactly the thing you are accusing
the liberals of.

By CAT at 18,Oct,21 13:31 other posts of CAT 
Phart, if the “money making scheme” part is taken out of the equation, would you believe that this accelerated climate change is real?
By phart at 18,Oct,21 18:24 other posts of phart 
Never said the climate change was not real,it has been happening for eons.
BUT I will say ,if the money was taken out of it ,the entire issue would gain a whole new level of creditability
When you have the diabolical creature Algore that owns multiable mansions and rides in a suburban telling you that you should give up comfort and ride in a little prius, does that not ring a bell that there is something sour in the milk?
When you have that long face crook johnkerry flying on in a private jet telling us to do away with fossil fuel, eh,does that not ring a bell?
THese people are making BIG money from somewhere to push these issues.
The people making money from oil ,coal, they had to purchase land, equipment ,hire employees and etc to operate at a loss for a while until the profits came.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Nov,21 15:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The money IS IN OIL AND COAL, not in climate science.

You know the climate has been changing for eons, because climate scientists say so. They now say the climate is changing much more quickly than ever before and the CO2 concentration is higher than ever before. They don't just tell us there is a problem, they show their data, their methods, their predictions and how it's going to affect nature and humanity. Their reports are not easy, but it also doesn't take a doctorate degree to understand. Literally every scientist agrees with the science and the conclusions. Why do you think the idea "it has been happening for eons"
is somehow outsmarting all scientists?

Stop listening to rich fucks who only care about making more money, even when
it's going to kill millions of people or even all of humanity and the people who take
their money for lying to you.

By phart at 01,Nov,21 23:33 other posts of phart 
Your president,not mine, rushed to rejoin the paris accord,so he could go take a nap in peace perhaps?
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By CAT at 02,Nov,21 16:51 other posts of CAT 
Yeah, at least the last clown was worried about Covid. Get a bleach shot.
By phart at 02,Nov,21 17:10 other posts of phart 
His words were along the lines of looking into using disinfectant.
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Listen to this ,his words, not a interpretation from some liberal talking head. He never said inject Clorox. Disinfectant ,not BLEACH

Common question
Does UV light kill COVID-19?

Ultraviolet (UV) rays are part of sunlight. Studies show that UV light can be used to kill airborne COVID-19 particles and disinfect surfaces. For this reason, some hospitals, subways, and other public locations are using UV light to help disinfect areas when they are not occupied by people. While helpful for cleaning these areas, UV light has not been shown to prevent COVID-19 infection in humans or to kill the virus in infected patients. The safety and efficacy of many UV light devices sold to the public are not routinely reviewed, so these should be used with caution. Overexposure to ultraviolet rays can have harmful health effects and is a major risk factor for cancer. For these reasons, you should wear sunscreen on exposed skin when you’re in the sun for long periods.

By knewbi at 13,Oct,21 16:21 other posts of knewbi 
If every single alarm that they scream about hadn't failed I might be inclined to listen. But not a single alarming prediction has come even close... No I don't believe it is true..
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,21 16:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Where do you get your information? The trends in temperature, increasing hurricanes, droughts, floods, and wildfires are following the predictions for climate change very consistently. Have you been following the news for the last decades?
Don't you see the changes happening during your life?
I've played in mountains of snow when I was young.
Now we hardly need a coat in the winter.
By knewbi at 13,Oct,21 16:57 other posts of knewbi 
Just look at the history of weather and you will see that this planet has always experienced weather changes. And EVERY single climate alarm has turned into nothing... Sorry if you have fallen for this nonsense but I refuse to until I see some real proof. The Sahara was once lush and green. Now it has changed. The entire planet was once almost totally covered with ice and now it has changed. A number of years ago we were supposed to be headed for global cooling, then it was warming and lastly, since they kept failing in their claims, climate change. That I believe in.. Climate change is natural. Hell this planet is spinning out in space as well as the sun and all of the planets. What are the chances that we and the sun will always be the same distance from one another? Not likely.. So the sun and our position to it also has an effect. And, no, we are not influencing the sun.
By phart at 13,Oct,21 17:39 other posts of phart 
I think the Sahara was green and lush LONG before we started riding Murry's around mowing the grass.
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What Really Turned the Sahara Desert From a Green Oasis Into a Wasteland?

10,000 years ago, this iconic desert was unrecognizable. A new hypothesis suggests that humans may have tipped the balance:
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They describe this happening over thousands of years. Present day humans destroy forests and turn them into wasteland in mere decades.

By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,21 19:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What do you consider proof?
And are those really your reasons for not accepting the science? Is that proof?

You are claiming the following:
"The Sahara was once lush and green. Now it has changed. The entire planet was once almost totally covered with ice and now it has changed".
How do you know? Because of science! Now science tells us there is a 99.9999% confidence that climate change is real and man made.

"Evidence for man-made global warming has reached a “gold standard” level of certainty." "... confidence that human activities were raising the heat at the Earth’s surface had reached a “five-sigma” level, a statistical gauge meaning there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the signal would appear if there was no warming."

"Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists (97–98%) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, and the remaining 2% of contrarian studies either cannot be replicated or contain errors. A 2019 study found scientific consensus to be at 100%."

You think you know better than all those scientists, because weather exists and the sun has intensity cycles. DON'T YOU THINK THEY KNOW THAT?

If the doctor looks at your MRI and tells you you have lung cancer, do you say: "That's not possible, I don't smoke!"? Then he shows you an image full of big white clumps in your lungs. Do you keep repeating: "That's not possible, I don't smoke! You must be pushing chemo therapy on me, because you're bought by big pharma!"? And do you then keep believing that, when you cough up blood a few weeks later?
That's how you're arguing against climate change.

By CAT at 14,Oct,21 14:32 other posts of CAT 
Knewbi, my husband was working for Miami-Dade County, Fl in 1971. He worked in the Water Control section of the Public Works department. At that time the head engineers, stuffy, right wing, Southern uppity ups, were worried that in in the next 50 years Miami Beach would be flooded by the Atlantic. Even at that time they knew climate change would cause disastrous flooding.
You are correct. The weather is in a constant state of flux. The intensity and time line is what’s worrisome. Right now, if you drive down Collins Ave. in Miami Beach during high tide the ocean water reaches the bottom of most cars. I don’t need to convince you. You can continue in denial, but, baby, sadly, it’s true.
The real tragedy is that in time mankind can deal with normal changes to our weather. It’s the man made accelerants that we need to control
I’m curious, are you comfortable with what’s happening?
By knewbi at 14,Oct,21 20:41 other posts of knewbi 
Sorry but I only responded to an "asking of my opinion". So I gave it fully knowing others would not agree. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.. Not going to change my mind on this...
By CAT at 14,Oct,21 21:43 other posts of CAT 
So, you are picking your marbles up and going home. What can I say

By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Oct,21 12:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
knewbi, if you're not going to change your mind on this, than why even ask for proof?
There is a term for ideas that cannot be changed by evidence; religion.
My opinions can be changed easily, by just showing me good evidence opposing my opinion. Regarding climate change, the evidence only gets stronger all the time and all the opposing arguments are getting debunked.

Considering it is true, would you even want to do something to prevent it or don't you care because you're old enough to not have to live with the consequences of that decision?

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By #652316 at 16,Oct,21 09:42
They do as if "the climate" was or is something constant during the ages. The opposite is true. If one only overlook the last 8.000 years, its like a flickering candle. With or without human beings. I do not believe we can "change" it. The human made carbondioxide output is about 4% the rest 96% are from natural sources. Its just one of the new buisness ideas.

Except Germany. Germany will save the world (again)! Hahaha.

By phart at 12,Oct,21 14:12 other posts of phart 
And some folks are worried about cow farts.
THIS is what is going to happen to the earth.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Oct,21 15:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The closest known black hole is 1,500 light-years from Earth.
So I wouldn't worry about it much.

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By phart at 12,Oct,21 23:59 other posts of phart 
what we call the SUN is a star,and it will end as a black hole best I can remember reading.
By CAT at 13,Oct,21 10:56 other posts of CAT 
True that. Did they tell you the day of the week it’s going to happen?
By phart at 13,Oct,21 14:23 other posts of phart 
Tuesday after next, are you ready? put on your suntan oil.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,21 12:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Our sun is too small to end up as a black hole. In general, stars with final masses
in the range 2 to 3 solar masses are believed to ultimately collapse to a black hole.
The final mass is the mass that is left, after the star has expelled part of the mass with the supernova. Our sun is even too small to create a supernova.
In the last stages of our sun's life it will expand to a red giant, swallowing Mercury, Venus, probably Earth and maybe Mars. The red giant phase will last about a billion years and then the Sun collapses into a white dwarf.

The Sun would need to be about 20 times more massive to end its life as a black hole.
By phart at 13,Oct,21 14:25 other posts of phart 
So Tuesday after next may be a bit premature?
I used to proud of our sun but now I have learned it to small to ever become a 65 Nova.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,21 16:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Our sun is a bit average. But, it's actually a pretty stable type of star, that can sustain life for a long time. Much bigger stars live shorter lives, because the nuclear reactions are more violent. Smaller stars live longer, are less hot, but living on a planet in it's habitable zone is dangerous, because it's closer to the star. It would be a radioactive place with risk of solar flares killing everything.
If there's other life in the universe, it would probably live in the habitable zone of a star like our sun.

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Those green men have poor aim

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Oct,21 08:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If there was still something left of the meteorite, she could sell it and would probably get much more than she needs to fix the roof.
By CAT at 15,Oct,21 10:51 other posts of CAT 
I was thinking the same. '

By phart at 15,Oct,21 20:59 other posts of phart 
That would be the shinier side of the coin for sure.
All I know is,If I was grandma,I would be going thru all my lifes actions and see just which God I pissed off and got a warning shot from and try to make ammends!
There is only 1 but I would go thru the list of possible others to make sure I covered all of them
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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Oct,21 13:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Brazilian Amazon released more carbon than it absorbed over past 10 years.
The study looked at the volume of CO2 absorbed and stored as the forest grows, against the amounts released back into the atmosphere as it has been burned down or destroyed.

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By CAT at 14,Oct,21 14:15 other posts of CAT 
And as long as Bolsonaro stays in power it will continue, not that previous administrations did anything either. The burning of the Amazon forests/jungles is one of mankind’s worst crimes.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Oct,21 14:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I hope Bolsonaro looses from Lula in 2022. It looks good at the moment.
By CAT at 14,Oct,21 16:58 other posts of CAT 
If the Brazilian people vote him in again, it will be a travesty to the whole world

By phart at 13,Oct,21 00:21 other posts of phart 
The looming threat of cow Flatulence is nothing compared to this.
Now you explain to me why we should not be concerned about this more than cow farts please??
This man is displaying his weapons and basically telling us he can and would blow us or our allies off the map.

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By CAT at 13,Oct,21 11:10 other posts of CAT 
We should be worried about Kim Jong Un, but, why should we limit ourselves to just that?
BACK STABBING FART (sorry, no disrespect meant)

Thing is, we can worry about more than one thing
By phart at 13,Oct,21 17:42 other posts of phart 
But why does "climate change" A natural occurring event, get put at the top? That distracts from the other potential travesty's.

A pissed off postal worker going postal?
A woman with PMS working at a gun store at noon on saturday?
By CAT at 13,Oct,21 20:53 other posts of CAT 
The world is NOT passing through a period of natural climate change. If the scientists are correct and I don’t see why they would not be close to the mark, this change we are seeing will cause a lot of damage to all parts of the world. Civilization can and will deal with it as best as possible. We can also help ourselves by being a better conservator of this earth.
This problem is near the top because we already see the effects, but, it’s not the only problem at the top. We are still fighting Covid, and while the US seems to have a handle on it, other important countries don’t. The European Union is starting to stall and that impacts our safety. The country is very divided. It’s not the first time but it is a dangerous situation. US citizens are going to freeze to death this winter.
Witch one do you think we should tackle first?
By phart at 13,Oct,21 23:37 other posts of phart 
Tackle the The US citizens freezing to death first .Especially with barrels of oil just begging to be drilled for and pumped to keep them warm. In some areas of the country, right under their feet or graves sadly.
To hear or read about a person in oil rich TEXAS of all places ,freezing to death is very similar to a person dyeing of hunger on the floor beside a fridge full of food.
SAD and down right STUPID and VERY preventable with current technology.

European union stalling? Well gee, DE unionize and then each country would be free to rule it's self and solve it's own issues in it's own way.
By CAT at 13,Oct,21 23:54 other posts of CAT 
First part, I agree. Second part, that’s not so easy. Germany and France are power houses but Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and, to some extent, the Nordic countries need mutual cooperation to have a better, more stable life for it’s citizens. It’s like the United States. We do better because we are together.

By phart at 13,Oct,21 12:32 other posts of phart 
The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day
The carbon monoxide in your body leaves through your lungs when you breathe out
So, with these 2 factoids could it be that humans are a terrible threat to our atmosphere?
If you think really hard about it ,Adam and Eve were creating emissions and harming the atmosphere long before the v8 came along.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,21 13:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Adam and Eve were alone in the garden of Eden. It sounds like there were enough plants to convert their CO2 back into oxygen. They were lucky to have some animals there or all the plants would have died from lack of CO2.
If their descendants wouldn't have invented cars and steel-mills, the garden of Eden would be in no trouble at all.

Our Tata Steel emits 12.3 million tons of CO2 per year (2017 number). That's the same as 33 million people breathing, about twice the number of people living in my country.

The total CO2 emission of the Netherlands in 2017 was 163 million tons, so Tata Steel was only 7.5% of the total. 163 million tons of CO2 equals 439 million people breathing.

By boc at 01,Oct,21 19:58 other posts of boc 
Im inclined to go with the vast majority of professionals in the relevant fields of research.
By phart at 01,Oct,21 20:34 other posts of phart 
Very Few sheep stray from the flock.
By boc at 06,Oct,21 15:30 other posts of boc 
Its not about following a sheppard. But if i want a metal roof put on my house i dont go to a car mechanic. I go to a sheet netal mechanic.
By phart at 06,Oct,21 23:21 other posts of phart 
As a adult human, you should be capable of deductive reasoning.
You should be able to open your eyes, ears and take notice of what is happening in your immediate surroundings. High cost of environmental laws and regulations, the sacrifice's of comfort and well being, just so a volcano can erupt and blow more shit into the atmosphere in a week than humans have created this century.
Your life span is short as a human ,probably around 75-80 years. The earth has been here for eon's and will be here LONG after we and our descendants are gone.
Humans once ate raw meat and plants. Then fire was discovered and the pollution began. To eliminate the human impact on earth would require our annihilation.
Do you want that?
I doubt it.
Live your life and enjoy the luxury's of technology that has required the blood, sweat and tears of 1000's of inventors over century's.
Let's not put ourselves back into the stone age just to satisfy some liberal politicians.
By CAT at 12,Oct,21 17:22 other posts of CAT 
Phart, why can’t there be a happy medium. Man will not go back to the horse and buggy. Food will never be a product of a personal plot of land, but, why is it so bad to look for alternative fuels. For over 20,000 yrs man used wood and fire. In the last two hundred years we discovered “black, gold. Texas T. Pollution can be controlled. Why is that so repugnant to you? The world will be around long after man disappears from the face of it, but, while we are here, why not extend our stay?
By phart at 12,Oct,21 17:55 other posts of phart 
You spoke a bit of logic.A happy medium. Now tell that to folks like AOC that want us to eat bean sprouts and allow cattle to go extinct.
Alternatives,sure,go for it,just don't ram the first thing that comes up down everyone's throat. Let the CONSUMER decide what THEY want to use or do.
IF a person wants to eat bean sprouts and fart thru a carbon filter then so be it.
that is their CHOICE.
By CAT at 12,Oct,21 18:03 other posts of CAT 
Last I checked, Phart, there are no food cops going in with you inside the grocery store. And, since when did you start to listen to AOC or anyone else for that matter? And you know the cattle industry will never let AOC destroy their industry. Especially as Texas and Florida are the two biggest producers of cattle.
By phart at 12,Oct,21 20:06 other posts of phart 
it is not a matter of letting, hell no if they have any say or chance of saving their lively hoods, of course they will.

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I think this is hot for sure

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By #652003 at 27,Sep,21 10:22
Cutting down all the trees and replacing with asphalt roads and building, the earth is loosein it's shade
By dgraff at 28,Sep,21 12:22 other posts of dgraff 
Your on the right track some one correct me if I’m wrong I’m just a dumb automotive technician from the back woods of Pennsylvania but the trees breathe just like we do only opposite they breathe co2 and emit oxygen so if we eliminate all the co2 the trees would die so my theory would be to stop waisting land building strip malls and stupid things we don’t need to survive and start planting more trees and plants I own 22 acres of mountain land it’s all trees and rocks I could strip it and sell off the hard wood for lumber and I could sell off the rocks and become fairly rich but I love it in it’s natural green glory
By CAT at 29,Sep,21 15:51 other posts of CAT 
You are my hero, Chupete. I love ❤️ you.
That’s why cutting and burning the Amazon forest is so bad for the earth
By dgraff at 29,Sep,21 18:26 other posts of dgraff 
Absolutely and thank you

By phart at 01,Oct,21 01:19 other posts of phart 
You are addressing a issue that would be easy solved.
Instead of letting the center of town rot, and building new outwards, rebuild the inner city, that is already devoid of trees.
By dgraff at 01,Oct,21 01:25 other posts of dgraff 
That’s a good start

By CAT at 02,Oct,21 18:39 other posts of CAT 
The idea is good. The problem is most of the inner city is private. No city will sink untold billions when they have to get the property through imminent domain.

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Good man!

By phart at 01,Oct,21 17:41 other posts of phart 
Ok,so the climiate change folks are crying about things warming up.OK, BUT to keep things from warming up,we are supposed to stop burning oil and coal. Which puts us more dependant on nuclear energy.
OH MY< BUT what did Russia do??????
over 100 nuclear subs scuttled way up north! ALL that radiation.
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So this is a situation where the 2 ideas are going to collide, you want clean air, but you are also going to glow in the dark.

IF you don't make nuclear waste,you don't have to get rid of it.
By CAT at 01,Oct,21 19:46 other posts of CAT 
Why does it have to be nuclear? But, even if it does have to be nuclear, the answer is to find disposal sites. I’m no scientist but how about the moon or the asteroid belt?
By phart at 01,Oct,21 20:33 other posts of phart 
"dat thar moon up thar,that be a gud dump fo our waste yea!".
you have to get the stuff TO the moon first.
And that is Dangerous. Hell,they are still fishing shuttle parts out of the lakes and woods of America as we speak.
By CAT at 02,Oct,21 17:27 other posts of CAT 
No more dangerous than transporting the stuff in semi trucks to the dump site. If the launch pad could be located in the Caribbean it would be ok

By phart at 28,Sep,21 13:30 other posts of phart 
As liberals shiver in their nike's worrying about cow farts,
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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,21 08:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm not afraid of North Korea starting nuclear war, I'm afraid of the US 'winning' it.
By Sir-Skittles at 29,Sep,21 14:18 other posts of Sir-Skittles 
Spoken like a true moron.
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Sep,21 16:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Oh really? What country has ever used nukes? (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
The US has almost started nuclear war before once.
Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Trump asked a foreign policy advisor why the U.S. can't use nuclear weapons. Not just once, but several times. If there is ever a nuclear war, it's about 100% likely that the US destroys the world, probably before anyone else has fired a nuke.

So explain with arguments why what I said is so stupid. If you can't, you're the moron.
By Sir-Skittles at 30,Sep,21 16:23 other posts of Sir-Skittles 
You are not even an American, or American Citizen. So, stop your bitching. You live life on the dole. Sitting at home, acting so ever sophisticated. You have zero thoughts of your own.

Guess you didn't recall it was democrat president involved in both nuclear exchanges with Japan. It was a Republican president that used nuclear deterrence to win the Cold War.. mind you keeping Europe safe from big bad Russian for over 60 years.

Cuban Missile Crisis? Those idiot Kennedy's, both dems nearly started WWIII. You are a cut and paste moron. Go scream about healthcare and racism next.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 08:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You didn't keep anyone safe from the Russians, the rest of the world just lived under constant threat of annihilation, because two superpowers were rivaling over who pushes their ideology on the rest of the world. But, I'm sure I must be grateful your leaders had enough survival instinct, to not cover the world in a nuclear winter.

If the US goes to nuclear war with any other country, everyone dies, not just Americans. It doesn't matter if the button is pushed by a Democrat or a Republican. However, at the moment, I feel a bit safer with the Democrats, because Republicans have been electing ever crazier, corrupt, narcissist, fascist, wanna be dictators.

"on the dole"? I have a job and I'm sure it's doing something more worthwhile
for society than you are doing.

By phart at 01,Oct,21 01:12 other posts of phart 
Sadly, some adversary's only understand a bigger "xyz" than their own. Be it a weapon or a tool or a race engine or a flash light. There are bully's in school, bully's in the work place, bully's in government.
Case in point, quoted from BBC's website.
" North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2018

Now, if you were Kim, sitting over there with your 6 grains of rice and 1 liter of swamp water at the dinner table, and you read that, would it not convey to you that you may want to leave the US of A alone??.
That is where the bigger gun,the bigger missle, the bigger plane,the bigger etc,comes into play.
Guns and missles are like fire trucks,you keep them shiney and you make sure everyone knows they are ready and working,but you hope you never need them.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 19:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That Trump tweet was actually pretty funny. I think there was even some self-mockery going on, with his bigger and more powerful button. Trying to make friends with Kim was definitely not the worst thing Trump did. Their bromance was a bit awkward, but it made me feel a bit safer. To bad he didn't get along with the Iranians as well.

Actually it makes me feel more secure that the computer systems of you nuclear missiles haven't been updated since the nineteen-seventies. It still uses 8-inch floppy disks. With a bit of luck, it won't work, if you ever needed it.
At least hackers don't stand a chance.

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By CAT at 29,Sep,21 15:17 other posts of CAT 
We survived the Cold War with an adversary ten times more dangerous. Why do you assume liberals are any more or less afraid than you conserva-puckers?
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Anyone with a mind should be concerned about a crazy despot like N Korea’s president. He just doesn’t understand that we can make a radio active waists land out of N Korea. BTW, if you think us liberals will tolerate anyone giving us shit, you certainly don’t know your countrymen.
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Sep,21 16:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"an adversary ten times more dangerous"? You mean Russia?
Explain how they were ten times more dangerous.
Because, that is obviously lazy thinking.
It's just the assumption "we are good and they are bad".
Guess what, the other sides thinks exactly the same.
By CAT at 30,Sep,21 18:10 other posts of CAT 
Regardless of who thinks what, the USSR had all the firepower to reduce us to a cinder. They not only had the firepower but the technology to deliver it to any place in the world. They also had the ability to get alнes in Central America, the Caribbean, Africa, and Asia. Kruschev, in the UN took his shoe off and pounded the desk, yelling “We will bury you”. It was not an assumption. We were good and they were the bad any way you want to look at it. They overran the Eastern European countries, they supported terrorism, they went into Afghanistan, and made a police state out of Russia and it’s satellite countries. They disrupted the Middle East. What more do you need? And, don’t forget, I lived through it all until the Berlin Wall came down. And it became Russia again.
By phart at 01,Oct,21 01:17 other posts of phart 
I know for a fact during the Cuban crisis that there was a B52 in the air and all it's crew had on their eye patches for Defcon 2, as they were carrying live nukes just waiting for a target.
The discussion on the plane, that the crew was flying for the first time as they had been in b36's, was where would they land after they dropped the bombs. It was decided it didn't matter, as there would be no where to land by that time. A good friend was a flight engineer on that b52.
The patch was so if you happened to see the flash, it would only affect 1 eye, and you could remove the patch and resume your mission.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 11:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The world really went through the eye of the needle then.
By CAT at 01,Oct,21 12:15 other posts of CAT 
Yes, they (we) did. That's why I say N. Korea is worrisome but not apocalyptic.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 12:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
North Korea is horrible, mostly for North Koreans.
Kim Jong-un is horrible, but he doesn't have a death wish.
He might have some nukes, but not enough to kill everyone.
The US has enough nukes to kill everyone. Russia too. China has 250 to 350 nukes, which is not enough to kill everyone, but makes life horrible enough.

So, if Kim Jong-un attacks, he would probably destroy South Korea and the rest of the world suffers some radiation. If the US retaliates, that will provoke China and Russia. The US will respond and destroy them both. Then we can all say our goodbyes, because even if you don't get vaporized by a nuke, you will die from radiation poisoning or nuclear winter.
That's why I said: "I'm not afraid of North Korea starting nuclear war, I'm afraid of the US 'winning' it."
By CAT at 01,Oct,21 13:09 other posts of CAT 
I don't believe we'll react that forcefully and Russia and China have national interests that they'll want to protect from an all out war. he world has changed to "Go ahead, I dare you." No more big wars.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 17:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
But, to go back to the point. Yes, I'm more concerned with climate change,
which is going to be horrible for everyone, unless we do something soon,
than I am concerned with Kim Jong-un doing anything that will affect anyone other than North Koreans.
By CAT at 01,Oct,21 19:36 other posts of CAT 
No argument from me. I believe it’s the #1 priority for humanity to tackle

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,21 11:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Both the US and the USSR had the firepower to destroy the earth ten times. You had the same technology. You have US nuclear weapons 'pointing' at Russia in Germany, Italy, Turkey, Belgium and The Netherlands. The US also had many allies close to the Russian border (google 'NATO countries map'). Nixon did not just threaten Russia with words, he had 18 nuclear armed B-52 bombers patrol the Artic polar ice caps.
Since WWII, the US disrupted the Middle East starting much earlier and in many more countries than Russia ever did. "The United States has at various times in recent history provided support to terrorist and paramilitary organizations around the world.
It has also provided assistance to numerous authoritarian regimes that have used state terrorism as a tool of repression."
Russia has been brutal to their own citizens, but outside of their borders they fail
in comparison with the US. After WWII, the US has killed at least 12 Million people,
in 19 wars. What more do you need?

Russia has been very bad, so has the US!

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By CAT at 01,Oct,21 12:20 other posts of CAT 
All true, but we were discussing Russia. The biggest screwup was the CIA installing The Sha of Iran as the ruler of Iran. We went downhill fast since then. At the time, our national interests were influenced by BIG OIL MONEY. The CIA's view was "If it is anti-Communist" then it's good for us. Screw the locals. It was a shameful period for us too, but, like many today say, "Screw the locals. War is war and you do anything to win."
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And, no you don't. You can't cut out the deaths caused by the USSR since inception. Stalin alone was more prolific than Hitler. We fought The USSR along with every other country in the free world (Bond, James Bond) Our cold war with The USSR is based on that Russian history. Any wars we fought were needed to be fought (Probably not but there was some truth in that)

By phart at 01,Oct,21 14:08 other posts of phart 
so we are just supposed to give up our protection and be vulnerable as a naked new born baby to any threat?
I honestly don't think North korea should be expected to disarm it's self. It is a small ,tiny little country that if unprotected could fall victim to any aggressor. It is Kim's job to protect his country from perceived threats.It is the fact he mentions being able to hurt us, that causes problems.if he kept those threats to himself,it would help matters alot. Thru it all though,I do remember Trump offering him help to deal with the virus and it was refused.
By CAT at 01,Oct,21 19:42 other posts of CAT 
I don’t think I’ve ever said that. I’m a liberal but if I have to walk at night through Liberty City, I’ll have an escort with a gun, a can of Maze or I won’t go

By #652316 at 28,Sep,21 06:51
As long as artificial geoengineering and weather manipulation is not included into the discussion, one need not to go further. For global temperatures ask the sun. A "greenhouse-effect" by Co2 is not very convincing - at least for a non-mainstream geoscientist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,21 07:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A 'greenhouse-effect' by CO2 is not convincing"? It's just physics!

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By #652316 at 28,Sep,21 07:23
Dear Ananas, science lives from the polemic and discussion. There is never just ONE opinion. One only right opinion is called "religion". That's the difference.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,21 11:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Science isn't a collection of opinions, it's a system for continuously testing and scrutinizing theories, determined from evidence. After hundreds or thousands of scientists criticized a theory for decades and all arguments against the theory fail, the chance that is not true gets to 1 in a million or higher. This is called the 'Gold Standard' (for level of certainty) of scientific evidence. The evidence that humans ere causing climate change has reached that 'Gold Standard'. There are always other opinions,
but it's up to the ones holding them to show their validity, against the science, not by claims of a political or religious nature.

Religion is determined via dogma, scripture and authority. When religion decides on an absolute truth, they will maintain that it's the truth, until no one in their right mind can deny the overwhelming evidence anymore, that it's false.

But why do you even pull religion into a discussion about climate change? The truth of climate change is a scientific question. If the bible said anything about the truth of climate change, wouldn't it be the prophesy of the "end times"?
Religion deals in morality, like whether humanity has an obligation to be a good shepherd to the earth.
By #652316 at 28,Sep,21 13:52
Because I am scientist and I unfortunately know too good how this buisness works. End of discussion.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,21 15:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you're a scientist, check it yourself. I'm a scientist too and I see no inconsistencies or contradictions, that lead me to doubt it. Also the science of climate deniers is as weak and transparent as the logic of religious apologists. A scientist shouldn't have much trouble looking through that.
Also there is just personal observation of the world around you. A scientists is trained to recognize trends where there are and find flaws in the logic when they try to show relations where there are not, like so many pseudo-scientists do.

By CAT at 29,Sep,21 15:30 other posts of CAT 
You are so strong. What a man…….. now, back to reality. If you are a “scientist” I’m Mother Teresa. Science looks for the most probable, be it the problem or the solution. Then, the research continues to improve on the results. Religion is for those that face Meca and wiggle their asses in the air or genuflects to a poor man being tortured on a wooden cross. Science is to think, hence, my opinion of you.
By phart at 29,Sep,21 15:38 other posts of phart 
and depending on who is paying rather or not it is a problem or a solution. Science follows the paycheck.
By CAT at 29,Sep,21 15:48 other posts of CAT 
Wrong, science needs the paychecks to OPERATE. Anyone can understand that only the true line of reasoning will prevail no matter what the amount of money you throw at it. A customer comes to a mechanic and says,”my car won’t start. Here’s $200 for you to tell me it’s a flat tire.”. The lie has short legs. The truth comes out. Science is the same. Sure, one scientist can be bought to say anything but, there’s a million other scientists that will contradict him. Phart, way to go. True to form.

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Drought forces North American ranchers to sell off their future:
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By CAT at 23,Sep,21 15:28 other posts of CAT 
I don’t know much about drought other than what most known. Not enough rainfall where it’s needed. I do know that there are many places in the world that use artificial irrigation from wells to run successful ranching. The initial cost could be subsidized by Uncle Sam
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Sep,21 12:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are solutions to many of the problems. We can all build irrigation, dikes, canals, cooled stables and greenhouses or just move production and people away from danger zones.
The costs of that and the damages we will still suffer from climate change will just very rapidly exceed the costs of preventing climate change.

And maybe some people will get relief with climate change mitigation, but many people won't. Do you feel confident that the government will help you and your family, when you suffer or get hurt, from exceptional heat or cold or some climate disaster?
By phart at 24,Sep,21 15:18 other posts of phart 
People talk about technology and "creating" jobs, why can't california pump water from the ocean and filter it and water their crops and live stock? Pump it to Nevada?
There are solutions, just no desire to use them.
By CAT at 24,Sep,21 16:07 other posts of CAT 
Here, in Key West, the Navy has a station with a huge desalination plant. After hurricanes when water gets cut or contaminated, the plant produces enough water to su stain the key (island) and lower keys. It’s slow, cumbersome, and very expensive. That is not a good option

By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Sep,21 19:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Saudi Arabia gets almost all their water from desalination. It is about twice the price of conventional fresh water, but it still leaves some salt in it. It's drinkable, but if you use it for irrigation, it will slowly salinate the soil, until nothing grows there anymore.

By CAT at 24,Sep,21 15:46 other posts of CAT 
I have little confidence the government will help at the time needed. Red tape slows everything to a crawl. If I need to drill a well (I would farm the work out) I would start with a drill and work and work until done. If I needed to irrigate 20 acres I would need a BIG drill. If I needed to irrigate a county I would call the state or the Feds

By phart at 24,Sep,21 00:28 other posts of phart 
so you get the air all clean,then you smoke some weed and kill someone on the hwy, real smart eh??
Traffic deaths related to pot have nearly doubled in colorado. Good going libs!
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MY point in all this being, this issue is easy fixed,but yet,no one applies any effort to it at all.Apply the same effort to this problem as you do climate change and our country would be safer,and less law enforcement would be needed!

By phart at 24,Sep,21 00:26 other posts of phart 
So you clean up the air and as you are strolling along your drunk neighbor plows into you and kills you.

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This is from the wonderful CDC< so it has to be true.
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MY point in all this being, this issue is easy fixed,but yet,no one applies any effort to it at all.Apply the same effort to this problem as you do climate change and our country would be safer,and less law enforcement would be needed!

By phart at 24,Sep,21 00:23 other posts of phart 
About these issues? What good is clean air if our fish glow in the dark? OR ourselves glowing in the dark for that matter? Tree huggers seem to forget ,once a tree is exsposed to radiation, you can not eat it's fruit.
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MY point in all this being, this issue is easy fixed,but yet,no one applies any effort to it at all.Apply the same effort to this problem as you do climate change and our country would be safer,and less law enforcement would be needed!

By cody8789 at 23,Sep,21 01:15 other posts of cody8789 
It is what it is. I really don't think anyone can change anything by stopping pollution and so,
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And so? So are fucked?

By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Sep,21 15:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's definitely possible! Actually it only costs money and effort.
We stopped the destruction of the ozone layer. We just said: "No more CFC's!".
Now we should say: "A lot less CO2!"

By CAT at 23,Sep,21 15:17 other posts of CAT 
Cody, with all due respect, I think that’s BS, but, let’s say you are right. Do you believe stopping as much pollution as possible is a waste of time?
By cody8789 at 23,Sep,21 16:30 other posts of cody8789 
I hate to say this, but Covid might be a good thing. We are over populated on this planet. By the time we recover, if we can, from climate change the bees will be gone to pollinate, the coral will be gone to support fish, fires will have consumed forests, which were not replanting as much as we were, the heating of the earth is changing the Gulf Stream which regulates heat and cold to this planet as much as supports the life of so many fish, I just don't see changes happening in time. To get this and other countries to stop producing pollution seems like near impossible. I can go on, but I would luv to be wrong. Time will tell.
By CAT at 23,Sep,21 16:43 other posts of CAT 
Don’t ever say that, lollipop. Covid is not a good thing no matter what. I believe you are confusing overpopulation in this world with overpopulation of certain parts of the world. I don’t like to bring China into this discussion, but, I just read an article that the government there is concerned with low birth rates. The USA is a huge empty country. Sure, the big cities are crowded, but, even in our state, you take the Turnpike and all you see is empty fallow land. Those other occurrences of nature may be natural but a large part is happening because humanity is lazy and refuses to do or spend anything. Will we be late to the party? I’m hoping not, but, we MUST try. Not for me. I’m well done already. Perhaps not for you either, but, I’ve got grandchildren who deserve our help for a good life. I do hope you are wrong.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Sep,21 17:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Well maybe Covid did some good for the climate, because people saw that when we all pollute a lot less, you can actually see the sky, or the scenery a mile away. Other than that Covid was very expensive and did harm to the economy. We can best save the planet from climate change, when there are no other crisis to worry about and there is money to invest in new technology.

There are too many people in the world to have it sustain us all, but death and destruction never solves high population growth. All data shows prosperity slows population growth the most. The one challenge is to have prosperity, without destroying our (natural) resources. That's just a choice. We can choose to let people take maximum prosperity for themselves and destroying our (natural) resources,
so we will all suffer decline and despair later OR we can choose to share prosperity, not let some people exploit our (natural) resources and use the resulting progress
to prevent decline and despair.

That decline and despair is not just relevant to our grandchildren, it has already been going on for a while. Your chance of being severely affected is just still small right now. If you'd live in a poor area, around the equator, you would know. But rich countries are also starting to suffer the effects. Increasing numbers of people die in wildfires, floods, hurricanes, exceptional cold spells or from heat exhaustion. If you'd pay attention,
you would realize that you cannot avoid this for many decades. It's already causing discomfort, it will cause suffering very soon, it might kill you at any time and the probability of that is steadily increasing.
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By phart at 21,Sep,21 18:06 other posts of phart 
OK all you liberals hold hands and shield the earth,another 1 may come!
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You can't legislate something like this away.
By CAT at 22,Sep,21 00:47 other posts of CAT 
But, Phart, that happened 3600 yrs ago. Jesus came to us in between. he Egyptian empire, the Roman, the Byzantine, the Austrian, The British and others have come and gone. And only one destroyed city? I think we can take a chance.
By phart at 22,Sep,21 00:49 other posts of phart 
Hey we have 100 year flood plains,500 year flood plains, we could have 3600 year cosmic events ,who knows?

HEY ,poor Jupiter just caught something big,
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If a big space rock landed somewhere in Utah,like this hit jupiter,AOC would no longer be worried about cow farts I can promise you.
just a little teaser.
By CAT at 22,Sep,21 00:53 other posts of CAT 
I don't. Charlie worked for 10 yrs as a mechanical draftsman for the water control department of Miami-Dade County. They were in charge of drainage canals for low level, swamp lands in the county. All their planning was for a 100 yr storm (Heavy rains would clog the canals with water flow and upstream would flood.. That is the average. Nothing said that 2 100 yr storms would not hit in two years.
Hope it doesn't happen this year...
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We have Bruce Willis to help
By phart at 22,Sep,21 01:12 other posts of phart 
He would want to much friggen money. he was not in the last Expendables movie because he thought he was worth to much.
By CAT at 23,Sep,21 15:35 other posts of CAT 
I’ve always liked him from the time he had the TV show “Moonlighting”
but I think he is past his prime

By kebmo at 16,Aug,21 20:46 other posts of kebmo 
Liberals believe it and Conservatives don’t.
By phart at 16,Aug,21 20:57 other posts of phart 
I believe the climate is changing, it has been changing since the earth came into being .When the sun snuffs out ,the earth will be destroyed .

Imagine the earth as molten lava and rock and it slowly cooled. it's core still raging after millions of years.climate change is real,it is just not what the liberals want to make it out to be,a reason to put humans back into the stone age technology wise and and economically.
By kebmo at 16,Aug,21 22:25 other posts of kebmo 
I assumed that the question is referring to global warming due to humans using fossil fuels and coal.

By CAT at 21,Sep,21 14:05 other posts of CAT 
Phart, that's not true. This is not a liberal thing no matter how hard you try to make it so. This is for everyone's concern. Wake up, Red Neck. It will affect you too. The ice caps ARE melting. Miami Beach gets flooded practically every morning from higher and higher ocean waters. We have more and stronger tropical storms every year, heat indexes keep climbing. Liberals and every other thinking human being wants to see if we can stop or reverse this course of nature. We are doing it through science and conservation (practically the same). This is cutting edge technology.
By cody8789 at 22,Sep,21 16:46 other posts of cody8789 
You forgot about the coral dying and the fish kills, just two degrees warmer and the coral reefs start to dye off and all the sea life is dying
By CAT at 22,Sep,21 17:42 other posts of CAT 
You are right. I forgot. We went diving at John Pennekamp in April and there’s so many patches dying it makes you want to cry. And don’t forget the flesh eating buggies found in lakes in the Carolina’s from the heat.
That’s why I don’t understand. You don’t even have to be technical to see what the change in mean temperature does to the environment. If you know the outdoors, you know it.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,21 16:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you were truly conservative, wouldn't you like to prevent that climate from changing?

Stone age technology.... like burning coal?

Actually liberals like very modern technology, like solar energy and bio-fuels created with biotechnology.

And economically, this will give a tremendous boost in jobs.
By phart at 21,Sep,21 17:45 other posts of phart 
Being conservative would tend to prompt me to not fuck with what is working. Gas and gas stations are the effective way to move people cross town or across the country.
Changing that system in a way to make it as effective is very costly. Money better spent curing cancer or improving the roads and power grid.
coal is easy mined, transported and burned to create useful electricity. The tech is here,it works,why spend a fortune to change a functional system?

HOW does it help with jobs?
OK, so you put a 1000 coal miners out of work. No college education, most probably in their late 40's.
The "new" jobs "created" by the solar and bio-fuels, require a education that coal miners don't have.
And employers tend to NOT hire people over 40 over someone in their 20's.
And for that matter automation replaces alot of work.So for the loss of a 1000 mining jobs,500 are "created" by the new tech ,what about the other 500?

And how does anyone's political leaning affect solar flairs ,volcanic eruptions, tsunami's and etc?
The only way politics can really affect the climate is to prevent terrorist from getting their hands on bioweapons and nuclear weapons.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,21 18:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Is your way of life not more important than what powers your car? That pickup truck will run just as good on ethanol, biogas or biodiesel (if it's a diesel).
If I was your president, I would pay you to get your car converted. It would cost a lot of investment money to build the ethanol, biogas and biodiesel factories and the solar- wind- and geothermal-plants to power them, but that money will come back mostly in taxes, because of the economic growth it will bring. We would need those ex-coalminers too, because converting your economy to green energy takes a lot of manpower. We don't need half the people for that, we might need 100 times more people.

Maybe some of them won't be smart enough to be operators in the bio-fuel factory, but I'm sure we can teach them to install solar panels, drive trucks with biowaste, drill pipes for geothermal energy, lubricate windturbines or some other jobs that takes less than years of training.
Do you think coalminers are that stupid? The few that are useless can stay at home.

You keep talking about money, but have you any idea how much climate disasters cost? Much, much, much more than all the solar flairs ,volcanic eruptions, tsunami's and etc. How about agriculture becoming impossible in most of your country?
Climate change will be more expensive than anything, until we are all dead.
By phart at 22,Sep,21 00:15 other posts of phart 
Where you see growth, I see changing the position of the shells in a shell game.
The coal industry shrinks, the solar industry grows. No "New" jobs created out of thin air. Just different jobs replacing jobs already held at best.

Are you mechanically inclined? Have you used much biodiesel?
A friend put it in his Ford with the 7.3 and after about the 3rd tank we were replacing clogged filters and so forth.
Plus, cold weather, oh hell you better have good battery's.
And on top of all that, microbes! Now ol Wille nelson runs bio diesel in all his bus's and brags about it. but he can afford the extra maintance.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Sep,21 16:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Green energy is more labor intensive, but it's still cheaper. It's the TRANSITION that costs money and even more labor. But It's an INVESTMENT. The money is only temporary, because it will give a return on the investment. The labor is mostly temporary, because the TRANSITION is temporary, but it will grow the economy. After the energy transition, it requires less people to run it, but still more than with the old technology.

My car runs on petrol for 90%, the other 10% is bio-ethanol. I wouldn't mind converting to 100% ethanol, if it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg and I could tank 100% ethanol. I've never owned a diesel, but we tank 10% bio-diesel here as well. It's purely a supply problem that we can't use 100% biodiesel here, because all cars can run on bio-diesel now. It's just a quality issue if the filters clog up.

I would prefer to have everyone use electric cars, but until they are just as affordable, we need other solutions for the people who can't afford it.

However, we keep talking about cars, but that only has a small effect on carbon emissions. 70% of all CO2 is emitted by just 100 companies. Forcing/helping them to change to green energy is not as world changing as you fear.

Not changing to green energy will be more world changing than you fear.

By CAT at 22,Sep,21 00:34 other posts of CAT 
Phart, Sure you can continue with coal. But, can you assure us that that money will go for cancer research and cure or to rebuild our infrastructure? Or will that extra money be profits for the stock holders?
Another thing. Why does the rest of the country or the worl even, pay for the actions of people that go to work for the coal companies instead of getting a better, more useful education? Why should we worry about 50% of the miners workforce while thousands, yes, thousand's of people die every year from lung decease? I rather pay them full Social Security.--------------------------------------- added after 7 minutesNatural disaster happen all the time and have done so since the dawn of time. That is an extra we have to take care. I know you know Haity has suffered 2 major earthquakes and several hurricanes in the last 20 yrs. Those people don't have coal, but, they are so poor, the make their own charcoal. have you ever burned charcoal indoor? try it sometime. No, better not. The change of the type of work may be a trade off, but, a worker that works on win energy, can also work as a car mechanic or medical equipment tech or even teach. You know what coal workers can do when their coal work is over? Shoot their foot off and claim disability. Don't you ever look at the long term?
By phart at 22,Sep,21 00:48 other posts of phart 
Yea, I do look at the long term. And the jobs that people want to do away with, most offer retirement and health insurance. Don't you know anyone that retired from a power company 10 years ago or so?
They probably have Great health insurance, and are drawing a similar amount of money during retirement along with stock dividends and etc.
INCOME that will support them in the LONG TERM.

Most upstart company's in the Trendy industry's like solar and wind, offer a wage and a prayer.
See where those folks that work for those company's are in 25 30 years. IF they don't save on their own, they will probably be screwed.
By CAT at 22,Sep,21 00:58 other posts of CAT 
You are wrong. Phart. I've been in the job market a lot longer than you and know what a good retirement is. It's not even close to what they were making b4. however, today you can get Obama Care at the same price as employee provided

By CAT at 22,Sep,21 01:01 other posts of CAT 
a solar panel or solar business is one of the most profitable businesses in today's time. However
even with rapid technological progress, the economics of wind and solar are unlikely to improve on their own. We can’t just sit back and wait for the price of renewable energy to fall. We'll either need continued policy support or significant changes to electricity systems if we expect the value proposition of wind and solar to improve. For both solar and wind, subsidies or other promotion mechanisms may need to continue for decades to ensure developers continue to build even when faced with reduced revenue.
the feds will have to support it for the short term
By phart at 22,Sep,21 01:09 other posts of phart 
The very fact it needs support to continue, should indicate flaws in the idea of solar and wind being viable.
Renewables would rise on it's own if it were viable.
I am not against the renewables in any way,I am only against tax funding and government mandated.
Generac for example ,along with Tesla,are putting home solar systems on tv. Private homeowners investing in it, for their own use, will eventually lower the cost as companys improve.
By CAT at 22,Sep,21 11:57 other posts of CAT 
Well, we funded General Motors, Boing, the oil industry, what's wrong with helping an enterprise that will help us in the future?

By CAT at 23,Sep,21 15:31 other posts of CAT 
Not fuck with what is working? IT’S NOT WORKING.

By Ynottt at 22,Sep,21 17:48 other posts of Ynottt 
Funding for research and development of new or renewable sources of energy is fine. The problem in the U.S. is politicians adding billions of $ in pork projects that have nothing to do with energy or climate research. IE parks, museums, the arts etc. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people to say we can't get funding unless we get all this bs stuff we don't need to get climate change resources.
By phart at 22,Sep,21 20:11 other posts of phart 
Yep,to much butt kissing. "I won't vote for this if you don't give me that".
OK ,so the water pipes are bad in many states, vote on a bill to replace them.
Ok,so alot of bridges are bad in many states, vote on a bill to repair them.
Quit putting 50 million dollars for research regarding the sex habits of the south american swamp rat into the bill.Or gender research in pakistan.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Sep,21 12:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"research regarding the sex habits of the south american swamp rat"

I totally agree with you, because by that way you know exactly which politician voted
for or against which bill. That transparency could influence your voting.

But that's exactly why they don't want to do that. Because that pork in the bills is not for parks, museums or the arts, because that might give the people parks, museums and arts, that pork is full of bonuses for them and their donors.

(Scientists who research swamp rats don't make good donors. The donors are the weapons manufacturers, big tech, big oil, big pharma.)

By CAT at 23,Sep,21 15:19 other posts of CAT 
Isn’t that what the infrastructure bill is for?---------------------------------------

Pork has always been with us but, if it’s the most likely way to get you what you want then better a half pie than an empty plate.

By aoneeyedmonster at 22,Sep,21 14:44 other posts of aoneeyedmonster 
I'm not so sure. Is there a graph or chart over the last 100 years to show average temps like a stock chart?
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thanks for the info

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US trends for wildfires:

By SrCums at 22,Sep,21 14:38 other posts of SrCums 
If an ice cube melted in a glass of water will it overflow?
By phart at 22,Sep,21 15:45 other posts of phart 
no BUT if you have a nice tall glass of Sweet tea and the ice melts in it, it ruins the taste of the tea as it is now watered down.

By Gntlmn at 22,Sep,21 00:21 other posts of Gntlmn 
Only a shit-stupid Putin's Bitch voter thinks it's a hoax... thankfully, CoVid19 is killing them off!

By JackS at 21,Sep,21 03:51 other posts of JackS 
LOL!! Ever hear of the "Gaia Hypothesis"? James Lovelock?
The Earth is a LIVING BEING, much like our bodies, but on a much larger scale!
She is a dynamic BEING, and has survived Billions of years of problems!!
Humans, are like "Jock Itch" to the Earth Mother!! LOL!!
She will adapt, and maybe that means more plagues, like COVID, or others, to keep us from overwhelming Her!
By phart at 21,Sep,21 18:01 other posts of phart 
The earth is a large rock that is still molten in the middle. IT will continue to be a rock long after humans have disappeared.
Strange how people that say, "trust the science" can't grasp what is visible by telescope of other planets being swallowed by their "suns" as they go super nova and so on.
None of us are leaving here alive. Enjoy life and quit worrying yourselves to death.

By phart at 10,Jul,21 16:57 other posts of phart 
AOC lives in the fucking twilight zone.
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On top of all this,she is PISSED because someone refered to her as a young lady.
As in does she just want to be called a Bitch or something?
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jul,21 10:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A good way to twist her words, so guys like you can ridicule her.

Her points are:
- Fossil Fuel Executives bribe your politicians to do nothing on climate change.
- Climate change is already happening and exceptional storms like that are a sign of that.
- Extreme weather like you have experienced recently are just a sign of more to come.
- It will cost you many billions of dollars in damages each year or trillions of dollars
to upgrade your infrastructure to prevent that from happening each year.

"The best is yet to come!"

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jul,21 21:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Flooding will happen more often.
As we speak, there are record floods in Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg and the south of The Netherlands, that have killed over 60 people so far.

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By phart at 15,Jul,21 23:13 other posts of phart 
Terrible, no doubt about it, Matter of fact I read some about it awhile ago.
But I must ask is this the first time those areas have flooded?
The reason I ask is we have areas here that are known as flood plains. The land is only useful for temporary pasture or maybe a quick growing crop or trees for lumber.
But we don't build homes and such in those areas.
Some areas in the big city about 40 miles from here, are starting to have flooding. BUT it is not climate related. It is related to all the home building and paving the ground that would normally take in the water.IF yankees and folks from califoricated would stay the hell out of here, the problems would not come.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jul,21 15:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Off course this is not the only flood ever, but I can't remember them ever be so widespread. It is also happening after decades of measures to prevent floods
like creating more and bigger flood plains. There was a record broken in the flow of the river Meuse.

"Until now, the summer record was held in 1980 and 1911, when approximately 2,000 cubic meters of water per second flowed through the Meuse. Those summer records are broken with another 50 percent extra water. "

"The river Meuse in Limburg reached a record height on Thursday evening, with levels more than 5 meters above normal. A large part of the precipitation that fell in Limburg and the Ardennes now ends up in the river. It is by far the highest summer level in at least a hundred years. It is expected that even the winter records of 1993 and 1995 will be broken, when a flood threatened the Dutch river area."

The worst flood in The Netherlands was in 1953, when the dikes broke and 1836 people drowned. But that's why the Dutch built the most advanced flood control system in the world. Half the country would be under water by now, if we didn't have that.
By phart at 16,Jul,21 16:11 other posts of phart 
we have 100 year and 500 year flood plains that building is restricted and such.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jul,21 17:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I had to look it up, but I've found a good article on that:

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"Tomball, Texas, Public Works director David Esquivel told a local paper there this year that the Houston area had “two 500-year storms back to back”: over Memorial Day weekend of 2015 and early April 2016. That means that Hurricane Harvey constitutes the third “500-year” flood in three years."

Our government is making 100 year plans to prevent flooding. They use predictions of the climate change scientists to plan upgrades to the flood control system.
This is a map with predictions on the year 2100 from the Delta commission of 2008. They have needed to update the plans, because the predictions are getting more severe as climate change progresses.
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By CAT at 21,Sep,21 14:14 other posts of CAT 
Phart flood plains may not get used in your open areas, but, I live in Miami-Dade county and our "flood plain" include some of the choice real estate in the county.
You have such a close mind. You refuse to even admit that there are changes happening, no matter the cause. You will be like the unicorns. You know why we don't have any unicorns? They didn't believe the flood was coming so they didn't board Noah's ark. Don't be left behind.

By CAT at 21,Sep,21 14:09 other posts of CAT 
Why? Because AOC is trying to bring to the public's attention the projected cost of doing nothing? Maybe she doesn't know how it can be financed, but, it's a start. Why shoot the messenger?
By phart at 21,Sep,21 14:20 other posts of phart 
I don't advocate shooting her, she would be better serving the public as a secretary at a office or something .She has not got the brains or education needed to understand "how things work" in the real world.just not enough experiance perhaps?
By CAT at 21,Sep,21 14:27 other posts of CAT 
Really? Because from this point of view I see a woman, right or wrong, trying to do the right thing instead of just bitching about it. She got 152,661 votes in her district or 71.6% of the vote. Looks like someone liked how she thinks. How many votes did you get for dog catcher? I didn't get that.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,21 16:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
AOC knows how it can be financed. Didn't you see her dress? TAX THE RICH
By phart at 21,Sep,21 17:55 other posts of phart 
Yea, you know how well that will work. The rich will just leave and uh ,then what?
I didn't run for office.and her district is so damn small.IF she is the best they can do, they are REALLY SCREWED>

By phart at 13,Sep,21 20:22 other posts of phart 
Well OK, so these folks want to bring back the Wooly Mamouth.
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To help with climate change.

So let's bring back the Terex, and modify it so all it wants to eat is liberal democrats!
All sounds good in theory but what if the wooly mammoth decides it doesn't like it in the cold and wanders into down town Manhattan?
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I have hand guns that would drop it no sweat 😓

By phart at 16,Aug,21 20:37 other posts of phart 
Read this article.
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Who would have thought, that the sun ,might be causing some warmth ?
Please read the whole thing but this is important
"In their insistence on forcing a so-called scientific consensus, the IPCC seems to have decided to consider only those data sets and studies that support their chosen narrative."

The implications, from a policy perspective, are enormous, especially in a field where trillions of dollars are at stake and a dramatic re-organization of the global economy is being proposed

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Interesting isn't it?
If that happened anytime soon, we would all be royally screwed.
By phart at 15,Jul,21 15:14 other posts of phart 
Yea, humans sitting here trying to figure out how to filter our farts for clean air, then oooops, here comes a astroid,all that suffering and sacrifice for nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jul,21 15:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Nice logic; we don't need to save ourselves, because there is a 0.0000001% change we will be killed by a huge asteroid in the next 100 years anyway.

If we do nothing and that asteroid doesn't fall down in the next 100 years,
it doesn't matter anyway, because humanity will already be extinct.

If we prevent the worst of climate change, we will probably survive. We could then also develop the technology to deflect an asteroid long before it ever hits earth.
By phart at 15,Jul,21 19:00 other posts of phart 
While some sit and worry about the climate killing us,others sit and worry about some sumbitch in Jackwackastan with a nuclear bomb wanting to blow up a major city. Or some jihadist coming over the border from mexico wearing a sombrero for camouflage driving by a city lake and tainting the water to kill or inflict sickness on 1000's of innocent people.
These things we know can happen,but thanks to some law enforcement hasn't happened large scale yet. But yet so many people are worried about some smoke or something.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jul,21 19:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We are all under the risk of dying every day. There are all sorts of things that can kill me or you tomorrow. I don't fear that, because it is uncertain. I'm not worried about some terrorist blowing me up, because the change of that is very small. And he would prefer better targets, like the people who bombed his country.

However, there is a much higher chance that we will live for another few to several decades. In that period, I'm not worried about climate change getting very uncomfortable, dangerous and expensive, I'm completely sure it will happen. There is however things humanity can do to make the future less uncomfortable, dangerous and expensive. I can't do that myself, I can only join the movement to push the world leaders to act on my behalf. And I know it's not necessary to suffer and sacrifice to reach the goal. It will only take some redirecting of money to employ millions of people for building renewable energy systems. I'm not saying it will be easy, but there is no reason to expect suffering and sacrifice, unless we wait too long.

Bye the way, suffering and sacrifice, that's just your average American job. Europeans don't do that, we just make great stuff and solve serious problems, without breaking a sweat.
By phart at 15,Jul,21 23:18 other posts of phart 
bye the way,that sounds like lazy to me!

I can agree work needs to be done to change some things.But it can't be over night.
and if we are going to solve a problem, find a VIABLE solution. Lithium battery's, oh my, what do we do with them when they go dead?
Wasn't the idea behind new technology to make sure that you could sit back and make great things and solve problems without sweating? Well,there is no free ride, and there are side effects. the pollution that is supposedly going to kill us in 11 years according to saint aoc, is 1 side effect of technology.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jul,21 09:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yep, I'm fucking lazy and I don't mind admitting it. Most Europeans aren't as lazy as me, but most value laziness a lot. I have some endearing quality that compensates a bit for my laziness; I get bored quickly.
That's why I'm so happy with my job of just helping other people make great stuff and using my brain to solve serious problems, without breaking a sweat.

"Wasn't the idea behind new technology to make sure that you could sit back and make great things and solve problems without sweating?"
YES, EXACTLY, so when are we finally allowed to sit back a little?
Most Europeans don't have a 32 hour workweek anymore. 40 hours has become sort of the standard. Some poor sods even work more than that.
It seams like Americans are only working harder and longer and for less comfort. They are truly screwed. It is however mostly self-inflicted by your 'work ethics'.

There is a free ride for the children of rich people. They will never have to pull up their sleeves. You think that's working what they do? Hahahaha, not even by my standards.

It takes a little bit more than 11 years to kill us ALL. The dying has already
been going on a while near the equator, but it's moving upwards (and downwards, don't forget the Ozzies). Americans in Texas are the first to go (some already did), people in Alaska get a lot more time.
AOC was probably referring to the 11 years scientists say is the time left that Climate Change is still reversible. There are several chain reactions at play,
that could make Climate Change irreversible, for a big part, even if humans completely stop emitting CO2 in the air, 11 years from now.

We can prevent the worst if we hurry up and work hard!
(Phooey! Helping people work hard, by solving problems).

You should know by now (Lithium) batteries are not the only option to store energy.
By phart at 16,Jul,21 13:59 other posts of phart 
I know lithium is not the only way but it is the way the tech is leaning because of weight. so there will be a abundance of it to dispose of sooner than later.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jul,21 14:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm not just talking about batteries using different metals.
And don't 'dispose' of batteries, just recycle:
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Batteries are just one type of chemical energy storage. Formic acid an hydrogen are two other examples. Hydrogen is just not very efficient for energy storage. Those are the best alternatives to batteries for use in cars, but we also need high capacity storage in the energy grids, to compensate for intermittent energy production of most renewable energy systems. For that there are better principles of storing energy, like Superconducting magnetic energy storage, which acts like a battery, but doesn't work on chemical principle.

Another type is thermal energy storage, like molten salt, which works very well in combination with solar power. Or pumping hot or cold water in a geothermal reservoir and using the thermal energy when it's pumped back up into a basin. That principle can produce and store energy at the same time.

Or kinetic potential energy storage by pumping water back up to the lake of a hydro power plant. Because of water shortage, many hydro power plants don't work at maximum output anyway.

Or pressure energy storage, like using depleted gas wells or deep mines to store air under pressure, which can be turned back into electrical energy at demand.

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Its all hot womens fault

By phart at 08,Jul,21 20:18 other posts of phart 
Please explain this 1 away with the "only in the last 100 years" theory.
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So was Homo Erectus cruising the strip in his exhaust belching Ferrari in 2000 BC?

Was Homo Sapien Burning tires to cook Buzzard for supper?
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Jul,21 21:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That link is supporting the existence of man made climate change.

Of course the climate has had changes before, I've told you many times. However not at the speed humanity is causing it.

"This is a relationship that is found in many animals, and even among contemporary humans, but we now know that it was a major driver behind the changes in body size over the last MILLION years."

Earth has been almost completely covered in ice for millions of years, until 650 million years ago. The Eocene, which occurred between 53 and 49 million years ago, was the Earth's warmest temperature period for 100 million years.

Those changes took at least tens of thousands of years, which allowed nature to adapt. During hot periods, tropical rain forests covered the earth up to the poles. Those rain forests absorbed to CO2, which made the temperature slowly decrease again. Unfortunately humanity has destroyed most of the rain forests. If we cause the temperature to go up, faster than it has ever gone up, while having destroyed all forests, the temperature will just keep going up. Nature left to its own devices will always correct eventually, but with humanity starving for food, gutting the remainder of the forests for agriculture, nature will not recover, until we are completely extinct. Maybe the environment will ever again be suitable for life afterwards, without us, maybe not.

By #623135 at 08,Jul,21 21:12
Phart you can’t be that dense. The earth has gone through several climate changes. It’s going though another climate change. The difference this time is that man made pollution is affecting it. Why do you try to argue something that is so obvious. But, if you don’t believe in man made contributions to this change, you certainly can’t deny this change. Ice caps melting. Unusual temperatures. The rising of the oceans. You can’t deny that.
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By phart at 09,Jul,21 00:16 other posts of phart 
I never denied the changes, I am saying man, is to small and powerless to make that noticeable of a change in something as large as our earth. We are comparable to the little dung beetles on a large cow patty, there is alot more to this world than us.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Jul,21 07:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yet, we have destroyed most of the forests in the world and if we continue
there will be more plastic than fish in the oceans by 2050.
Seven billion dung beetles are killing the cow.

There used to be a lot more to this world than us.

Humans and big agriculture livestock account for 96% of mammal biomass.

Powerless to make that noticeable of a change?
By phart at 09,Jul,21 17:16 other posts of phart 
Plastic could be eliminated if people would go back to reusable glass bottles for drinks and liquids and use PAPER fucking grocery bags like was done for DECADES.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Jul,21 17:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I totally agree with that

But have you ever noticed how much plastic is around the stuf from the supermarket?
We recycle quite devotedly and collect a large bag every few days.
By phart at 09,Jul,21 20:11 other posts of phart 
If the product was only made half as good as the damn package! How many times have I damaged something just trying to get it out of the damn plastic ,I couldn't count.

I have not got much issue with recycling except sometimes good machines and stuff gets hauled away and distroyed for very simple issues. Just as with the the fridge in the kitchen,it stopped cooling as well. We called a fellow out to fix it, 100 bucks for labor and parts.Granted we are having to wait till monday because of the shitty postal service but still,MOST Americans would yank the fridge out,put in a new 1,that cost no less than about 1100 bucks for a decent 1 , and this 1 would be destroyed. 100 dollar problem. What a waste it would be.But that is the way some people operate.Waste and spend.And if you take into account how much emissions comes from the hauling of the old fridge,grinding it up,hauling it again,melting it,and restamping parts and making something else,it would equate to far more energy used by the older design than compared to the new for the same time operated.

By #623135 at 09,Jul,21 14:00
Well Phart, it’s an eye opener to meet someone that believes overpopulation (because that’s what it is) is not a problem and that this Earth will be all right if we continue to do as we are
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By notynyt at 05,Jun,21 11:17 other posts of notynyt 
Like our life cycle, the life cycle of the whole world goes on. As we are born, then we are young. Then they get old. And after the end of our life, then a new birth takes place in some other form. As we grow up we tend to use more space and consume more. After a while it stops. And the process of happening again starts. So is the life of trees. Starts from seed and takes the form of a big tree. Trees also give birth to many other trees in their lifetime. The life cycle of all the living beings of the world is the same. This is how the life cycle of our entire universe takes place. And our earth too. What do we do to stay healthy? Have nutritious diet. Stay away from those who do harm. We constantly try to maintain our physical and mental balance. In the same way, we should continuously try for the good health of our environment and the earth. Since we are human, we consume more than other living beings, then it becomes our duty to take care of this atmosphere like our life.
It is beyond fact and fiction. It is a political ideology. When a large group is to be united, political ideology is resorted to. So that harmony can be established in the society.
By #485312 at 05,Jun,21 21:32
yeah, we were given the perfect living space, it was balanced and full of wonder, now we are destroying what is wonderful and changing it to a place that is not paradise, we take far too much from the crust of our bread, our foot prints will be the ones that scar the earth for ever, or until it finally fails us, thats when we'll take notice, although after seeing the skies in places like china, the people still didnt care enough to do anything about it.. they couldnt breath the air, or see blue sky, so they opened 'oxygen bars' and placed pictures of clear skies on bill boards???? that has to be madness, I couldnt live in a city without sky, or a place where I couldnt breath, but some people will 'accept' this as a reasonable way to live..
surely our brains are big enough to see what it right and wrong and not accept this from the leaders of these places. But sadly ... as a whole, humanity accepts destruction as normal, and capitalism is fine!! so long as some rich cunt is making a motza and the rest of us are coughing up lungs from pollution, this is acceptable.. *lix*
By notynyt at 17,Jun,21 16:29 other posts of notynyt 
You said the right thing. Ego prevails in a capitalist society. Where there is ego, there is no value for humanity and love. They want to get everything with money. Now thousands of people died in India due to lack of oxygen. Oxygen was not available even after paying money. I don't know whether people will understand or not. I feel very proud sometimes my culture has taught me to love nature. We say here, you keep doing your duty. Don't look at others. You will love you will get love from nature. ❤️

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By onthelose at 10,Jun,21 21:34 other posts of onthelose 
When all the climate change believers start doing their part to reduce emission's I will do my part. Do you drive, do you use electricity, do you shop at any stores[trucks deliver the stuff on the shelves] do you eat food you don't raise yourself[ farmers use gas powered machines to grow the food you take for granted. Do you fly anywhere. These are just some of the things you want us to give up. I say you first ,then maybe we will all follow!!!
By phart at 10,Jun,21 23:30 other posts of phart 
are you kidding? Kerry flys around in a jet plane to tell others they need to walk and stuff.
Hypocrites I think is what you could safely call most climate change believers.
Hardly anything is done with out some form of pollution.
You trade 1 type for another.
Coal ash and fumes, ok trade that for a underground storage facility full of nuclear waste leaking into the water table in washington state, or unrecyclable lithium ion battery's to be stored underground for eon's.
There is no free ride..

Sure this is WW2 era stuff leaking NOW,but what will happen to the stuff stored 20 years ago.Or being stored NOW? IF the future is so important, then think first.

Officials say an underground nuclear waste storage tank in Washington state that dates to World War II appears to be leaking contaminated liquid into the ground. ... Tank B-109, the latest suspected of leaking, holds 123,000 gallons (465,000 liters) of radioactive waste.Apr 29, 2021
By #623135 at 14,Jun,21 14:39
Sure, Phart meanwhile all you shit kicking mid-westerners Phart uncontrollably
By phart at 14,Jun,21 19:15 other posts of phart 
Hey,if humans were not forced to eat plants,there would be less gas's to pass!
And folks like you MOVE DOWN HERE so apparently the farts don't smell that bad to ye

By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Jun,21 18:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I have a very fuel economical car and 2500 watt of solar panels. But people cannot prevent climate change by themselves. The biggest CO2 emitters are companies.
There are just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global CO2 emissions.
International cooperation and regulation is the only way to reduce those CO2 emissions.
Politicians are just trying to convince you that you can change the world, so they don't have do something that upsets their donors. Everyone can do something, but it won't help enough.

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By #642672 at 12,Jun,21 01:05
The Earth will be here for a few more billion years until the Sun expands in its red giant phase swallowing it. We as a species will most likely be long gone due to our extreme penchant of hand wringing until things are past the point to save us and turning our home planet into a waste dump. Hey good news for roaches. They will have all the human waste to feed on as the Sun changes and they get to watch. Whether you believe or not it would do yourself some good to study growth and decay functions for organisms to see where we as a species are going. No need for an asteroid this time. Our blindness and arrogance will be our undoing.
By #623135 at 14,Jun,21 14:35
I don’t believe loosing your life is part of the program.
By #642672 at 14,Jun,21 15:49

Humans are arrogant. They believe they are killing the planet. When in actuality we are only killing ourselves. The planet will still be here.

Unless you believe we as a species are worth saving. Seeing all the hatred and other negative qualities on view in the last administration makes me wonder if we are. But I am still hopeful for a positive change.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Jun,21 16:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The planet, as a rock in space will survive. We are also killing nature in a big way. Change doesn't come by itself. Every little bit of progress has been fought for.

By #623135 at 14,Jun,21 18:51
If God created us, he’s the only one that has a right to end us

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Are humans causing this?

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This is a threat to our very lives.

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UM.Something ol Greta didn't think about?

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By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Jun,21 17:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, I know about this. The magnetic poles has shifted a few times. During the shift, the earth is less protected from solar wind. That has the potential to destroy the ozone layer. It can be devastation to nature and the next time it happens we would be pretty rough.

However, scientist measure the magnetic field and there is nothing going on with it. That article is talking about 41,800 years ago. In just decades there is rapid rising of the global CO2 concentration and huge deforestation. Even a basic understanding of physics is enough to link that with the rising global average temperature. It's good to look at alternative explanations and scientists do and they conclude that all those other factors cannot cause what is observed.

Would you care if climate scientists are right and earth is actually heating up to mass extinction levels?
If it is possible to prevent that, without going back to the stone age, would you still prefer we didn't even try?

By #623135 at 14,Jun,21 14:40
Let’s change the orbit of the moon
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Jun,21 16:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
To 0 km, that will solve everything!

By #623135 at 14,Jun,21 14:34
Republican congressman suggests changing moon's orbit to fight climate change

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I’m with him. The simple solutions always work best

By #642596 at 14,Jun,21 13:10
As long as trees are being cut down,replaced with asphalt roads,the earth can't cool like it needs ,when it's hot outside we look for shade, the earth needs it to

By tecsan at 10,Jun,21 04:27 other posts of tecsan 
Hoax...Sure things change, but takes years that no living person can vision...
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Jun,21 17:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm sure you are saying this after an extensive investigation of the facts.
My personal investigation results in the opposite conclusion; I noticed it got hotter during my life. Also not as many bugs anymore lately, which is more comfortable, but makes me worry about nature.
Also, I can read and understand scientific articles and see that their data, methods and arguments are correct.
Then I hear arguments of politicians, saying climate change is a hoax, with very stupid arguments and I know that they are lying. Then I take a look at their wealth and how
they got it and I understand why they are lying.
By phart at 10,Jun,21 18:13 other posts of phart 
Most of what scientist do is make theory's. Facts are scant sometimes.

Has your personal investigation included determining who is paying for the work of scientist trying to prove climate change?
By Strongmember# at 10,Jun,21 18:35 other posts of Strongmember# 
Ok. I challenge you to this:

Count the money behind "people paying for work of scientists trying to prove climate change" and the potential payoff.

Compare this count to the money funding "scientists" , websites, movements, lobbyists, politicians, etc. and the potential payoff for having the public unsure about the cause of climate change, thus allowing government to respond with appropriate legislation/regulation.

I would like to see the thorough count, por favor.
By phart at 10,Jun,21 21:13 other posts of phart 
Ok, so since you seem to know so much more than me, why is it up to me to try to figure out where to look? If climate change is so important to folks like yourself why isn't the info you are asking me to find not already out there for folks to read? Info such as who paid the bills?

It is blatantly obvious the truth is not to be had thru common media sources.This internet is so bleached,it is white as snow for truth.

I am not dismissing your challenge ,I ask what I think is a good question. And I have looked around for some answers but came up short on anything I can trust. You could use the dr faulchy gate for a example of what I am referring to as to who is paying the bills.
By Strongmember# at 11,Jun,21 00:12 other posts of Strongmember# 
I will admit I have done a good portion of one half, which is finding the money behind "entities that would prefer climate change debunked." For years it has largely been petroleum invested corporations. Now I think we can all agree, whether these folks lobbied against climate change or not, that petroleum stands to benefit immensely if man-made climate change were to be dismissed.

How about other energy industries.. Coal? God help me if I was in charge I would give all the coalminers in the US free pension for life and shut down the industry. I believe it is the greedy folks on top who use the coalminers to their political benefit every election. It is still an ok energy source but outdated, soon extinct.

Before I ramble, you can check lobbying dollars spent on US Senate and Congressman per industry. Oil has been consistently up there for years.

I will concede, one of the biggest spenders recently was Healthcare Industry, and they went hard for Biden, which is potentially corrupt as well, just to show that I am kind of person to follow the numbers and data, even if it disappoints my original thesis.

By phart at 11,Jun,21 02:37 other posts of phart 
We may not always agree but hey,you have done your research,that is good.!

By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Jun,21 16:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
phart, you are always very confident that climate change doesn't exist or that it exists but it is not caused by us. Either conviction requires facts. So what facts convince you?

And why are the facts that support climate change not convincing to you?

Do you have reason to think the following facts are not true?
- The burning of fossil fuels has raised the global CO2 concentration.
- Humanity has destroyed one-third of all forest in the world (an area twice the size of the United States).
- The average global temperature has risen higher than ever, during at least the last 2000 years.

Because the only people who can tell us are scientists. And if we don't even agree on the facts, we can never agree on the conclusions.

By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Jun,21 17:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Rep. Gohmert: Change Moon's Orbit For Climate!
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By phart at 02,Jun,21 19:42 other posts of phart 
OK here is a page about a volcano causing major issues.Matter of fact,mentions a more recent event in the 1800's.
I think alot of us have been trying to explain this for years and NO one will listen.SO HERE,READ the science.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Jun,21 18:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
This article explains no correlation between climate and volcano eruptions, because there is none or at least not at the moment. Volcano eruptions can affect the temperature on earth for years, but that is not a 'climate' effect. Climate is an average over decades. The average global temperature has been rising for many decades now. The only viable explanation for this is the rising carbon dioxide concentration.

The ozone layer also has none or little effect on climate change. People were worried about the ozone layer, because it protects us (and the rest of nature) against harmful UV radiation. That's why governments agreed to stop using ozone destroying chemicals, with regulation.
That actually helped, which shows that humanity IS capable of preventing the destruction of life on earth. Now, let's do that for climate change, before it's too late.

["The latest WMO/UN Environment Programme Scientific Assessment of Ozone Depletion, issued in 2018, concluded that the ozone layer on the path of recovery and to potential return of the ozone values over Antarctica to pre-1980 levels by 2060."]
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By phart at 03,Jun,21 18:41 other posts of phart 
Research the earlier names of climate change,such as the global cooling theory of the 60's and 70's.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Jun,21 19:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Global cooling was not a 'theory'.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

It's the job of scientists to research everything that is considered important enough by enough people. Researching a subject says nothing about the validity of the proposed hypothesis. In fact, many hypotheses are researched to disprove them.

There was never any consensus about global cooling HYPOTHESIS.
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By phart at 04,Jun,21 00:33 other posts of phart 
Climate change is something that is happening naturally,so there will always be some evidence to support it.
Rather we humans all fart ourselves to death over night and the earth is barren of live humans in 48 hours.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Jun,21 12:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You have seen this chart before.
Can you explain how that's happening naturally?

By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Jun,21 22:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If I use the same level of argumentation you are using, I could say "There is no immigration crisis, because people have been migrating over the earth over the whole of human history." I suspect you would like some deeper arguments then,
don't you?

So, "Climate change is something that is happening naturally" is also shallow drivel.

By Lvphose at 14,Mar,21 08:01 other posts of Lvphose 
When my local weather people can’t say where the line of delineation between rain & snow 48 hrs out no way in hell anybody can tell me they know centuries from now what the conditions will be. Secondly they say the science is settled I call BS! Science is never settled!
By CAT at 15,Apr,21 18:37 other posts of CAT 
The line between rain and snow is too fluid to make definite predictions but, they can tell you rain and snow is coming.

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 18:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So, what if you're wrong?

If you think the earth is flat, most people think you are crazy, but it doesn't do much harm.
If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution is bullshit, that mostly isn't that harmful either.

However, if you're wrong and all the scientists are right about climate change, that means you're not part of the progress humanity needs to prevent the biggest crisis in the history of humanity, mass extinction, probably the end of humanity and maybe even the end of all life on earth. What is your reason for taking that chance?
By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 09:57 other posts of Lvphose 
All the scientist do not come to the same conclusion! Look to Covid for the most recent issue that scientist do not all come to the same conclusion! Differences in treatments, differences in public policy, to lockdown or not to lock down!
It’s funny nobody cares about the alligator crisis!

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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
With regards to Covid, all scientists do come to the same conclusion; that it exists (just like climate change). There might be some difference in the details, but the research on Covid has just started. The science on climate change has been going on for the last 60 years at least.

Lockdown or not is not a scientific issue it's a political one. All virologists agree that human contact increases the risk of spreading the virus, just as all climate scientists agree that the average global temperature rises, when the CO2 concentration rises, from deforestation and the use of fossil fuels.

Nobody cares about the alligator crisis, because obviously the data on which it's based is incorrect. It states that last year Americans had their feet bitten by alligators 3,618,524 times. And then they don't even know if the number refers to the number of feet or people. Very funny, but you are a blithering idiot if you think that is science.

By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 10:12 other posts of Lvphose 
The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions, that is all with no Paris (shakedown agreement). Why are some nations allowed to go full throttle on emissions but others are targeted for reduction! Simple, follow the money! When governments do not produce anything that has consumer value to market, I-phone, Amazon etc etc they need to do an income grab! Obama care grabbed a particular percentage of the citizenry’s income, climate change is another heavily promoted from “centralized government “ can you say politburo! America has been moving the ball without the “control” sought by the pols & mantras for the issue.

A religion does not require a deity to be a religion! Climate change is a religion! What happens if you go against the climate change religion? Well they seek to excommunicate you! Just as the deity religions do!

I think everyone should listen to “another crisis” it is only approx. 3 min 30 sec.

Another crisis by Thomas Sowell
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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 14:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions"
Really? Well, that would shut me up, if it was true.
Do you have some reliable data on that?
By phart at 16,Apr,21 15:26 other posts of phart 
Reducing emissions to a point of being safe for the environment would put the humans back into the stone age.
Manufactoring,and creating alternative energy has side effects just as burning gasoline.
Check the dirt around the galanized racks that solar panels are mounted on in the solar farms popping up everywhere.There is 1 just accross the river from me,100 acres. the soil is contaminated and can not grow food for over 25 years after the racks are removed.Also,ground water for our wells is affected.
You are trading 1 problem for 2 others.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Apr,21 17:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You think the pollution from galvanized solar penal racks (which is just a layer of zinc) compares only in the slightest with the pollution from oil and coal extraction?

As we speak, beaches are covered in oil so bad that it takes years to recover. Fracking has already poisoned drinking water in North Dakota. Enormous areas of land are destroyed in Canada for tar sands. The mining of Lignite (brown coal) in Germany has has left deep scars on the landscape on an area of over 600 km2.

And you are worried about galvanized solar penal racks?
It is not even necessary to use zinc for that. There are biodegradable coatings or you can use aluminum frames. You don't even need frames, if you put solar panels on rooftops.

My god, what a ridiculous argument against renewable energy.
By phart at 18,Apr,21 18:55 other posts of phart 
How ridicules' to deny the issue.
I wasn't using that 1 argument to shut down the whole solar show,just demonstrating the problems being created.

By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Apr,21 13:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Even if your remark 'Reducing emissions to a point of being safe for the environment would put the humans back into the stone age' would be true (which it's not), would living in the stone age not be better, than living in hell?

By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Apr,21 12:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You didn't answer my question.
What if you're wrong and we are actually living in the last 10 years in which humanity can still prevent climate change at a level that will be catastrophically bad?

By phart at 04,Jun,21 00:39 other posts of phart 
The dinosaurs didn't have a choice did they?
The time will come when humans time on earth is over .We can either enjoy our time here or die suffering in all ways imaginable. Economically, socially, politicly and etc. Climate changers are kinda like a damn Home owners association. They want to impose rules on people to reduce freedom of choice and lifestyle.
In short, the climate changers are after 1 of our rights,the right to persue happiness.

By #485312 at 22,Apr,21 21:20
go America, telling aussies to reduce carbon emissions??? wow, coming from such a dirty highly polluted country, skinny old biden should be flexing his scrawny little fist at china, the filthiest country of them all, right next to india, another major polluter, but instead, they shake their skeletal fist at us??? 25 million people, one of the smallest nations, that the world has bullied for years to shake our minerals and resources out of us for the minimal prices, gee we've had china dictating to us for years, what they'll pay for all our stuff, from meat, wine, fresh foods .. and about time these world leaders used all this tech to hold their meetings instead of flying their fat arses all over the world for these junkets that do nothing, but give more privileged people time to bullshit to each other.. Ive not seen much action from them, no one puts verbs in their sentences. *lix*
By phart at 23,Apr,21 01:07 other posts of phart 
Well,Trust me,it is just the democrats trying to tell you folks how to live.Not most Americans with any common sense.
Unless China and other countrys decide they want to clean up their air,we could go back to horse and buggy and their emissions would travel the Jet Stream and pollute our air.
THe japaneese nuclear plant that was damaged in that bad earth quake,it's radiation can be detected in our crops growing in feilds in the midwest.
By #485312 at 23,Apr,21 01:54
yes, all the nuclear plants that have 'broken' have left a big mark on the worlds radiation levels. they haven't started to clean up these messes, theyre still trying to work out how to contain them from doing more damage.
I doesn't make any sense to me to keep this farce up, when we have farmers here driving around in battery operated cars, made from old wrecks with a bank of batteries, yet the 'leaders' of the world are dragging their knuckles on the ground, not really wanting to make cheaper more reliable means of fuels for transport with less of a footprint. we have the technology, they just don't like implementing anything that might be pinned back on them later if it fails.. the world has bought a big bag of cotton wool and wrapped itself in it... we need the 'buy a bag of concrete, and harden the fuck up' back.
I heard a saying the other day, something like, 'the stone age didn't finish because we ran out of stones, just like the "oil age" wont finish because we run out oil. we'll just find something better to take its place.' ??? *Lix*

By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Apr,21 09:19 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"it is just the democrats trying to tell you folks how to live"
Unless if you are transgender or you got pregnant by mistake
and you don't want to deliver.

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 18:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who has seen 'A Life On Our Planet' by David Attenborough?
We've just watched it on Netflix. It's beautiful, then it becomes depressing for a while,
but it ends with a very hopeful message. I can recommend it to anyone.
By #485312 at 18,Apr,21 21:10
I love all of David Attenboroughs docs, if you watch back some of the really early ones and the transitions he's made as he's became more educated on all things, he can see just in his life time the losses, and what a great champion for all of natures beauties, not just animal, but all things on this planet..he's had a very privileged life and job showing us all he can about our planet and what we share it with.. we need more like him to take the torch *lix*

By stiffone4u at 22,Jan,21 02:07 other posts of stiffone4u 
I was going to write about why it's true and very real, but I find that certain people lately believe that Fox news is more reliable than and amount of proof or science and will never believe facts. A million scientists can say it's a fact but one "news" reporter that pulls some guy with a science degree from Joe Bob school of rock huntin and they believe him.

Must be from wind mills.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,21 20:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Absolutely, but people believe this too:

By stiffone4u at 15,Apr,21 20:34 other posts of stiffone4u 
Unfortunately yes!

By Lvphose at 16,Apr,21 10:21 other posts of Lvphose 
A plethora of scientist weighing in for climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject! You have posted a logic fallacy one of 7 major fallacies used in logical conclusions. The easiest to commit is the fallacy making ad. Hominem attacks! You can attack ones schooling, tv they watch all day long, but ad. Hominem attacks do not disprove a position and they sure don’t boost the position taken in the ad. Hominem attack!

Another crisis-it is brief and enlightening
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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,21 13:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A plethora of scientist weighing in for climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject!"
Sure, even economists have given their opinion on whether the science of climate change is correct, while they have no scientific expertise on the subject. However, most of the people arguing against the science of climate change have no scientific expertise on the subject, while the science is supported by all scientists that do have expertise on the subject.
Even though it takes complete ignorance about science to deny the science of climate change (or ulterior motives), it doesn't take a whole lot of scientific knowledge to recognize that the science is correct.

Your video does not disprove the science of climate change. This is ironically just one of these ad hominem attacks you were talking about.

By tecsan at 16,Apr,21 07:23 other posts of tecsan 
It is happening...But not on the scale the left wants us to believe in...

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By phart at 06,Mar,21 14:25 other posts of phart 
Ok, here is something to ponder.
If the earth has took 1 billon years to change the location of the land mass's,how can humans have changed the air in less than 100?
Also,the ocean is 1.5 inches wider each year.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Mar,21 09:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Humanity can destroy all life on earth in minutes. Just detonate all nukes.
By phart at 10,Mar,21 13:21 other posts of phart 
you are sadly very correct. With more and more folks getting access to nukes, the end could be closer than we would like
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Mar,21 16:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Also the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was at maximum about 50 miles in diameter. It triggered a mass extinction, along with the end of almost three-quarters of the plant and animal species then living on Earth.
That was actually a climate change crisis from a singular event in one part of the world. However, humanity has destroyed 60% of the forests all over the world. Simultaneously we are burning a huge part of the oil that was created over hundreds of millions of years, in 100 years.
That's comparable to continues wildfires, 20 times bigger than all wildfires in the world combined, including the one that covered California in darkness in 2020.

And you can't understand how such a big impact on the world can upset the delicate balance of the climate?

By tecsan at 14,Mar,21 04:14 other posts of tecsan 
That I agree with...Just a political statement trying to gain popularity is basically it...

By #637531 at 07,Mar,21 06:14
Global warming is very real but sadly there's nothing we can do about it. With the increase of new technology and more industrialization, the world will go to shit within say 250 years. And that's be extremely generous. Now obviously that doesn't mean we should just use that as an opportunity to be a slob and use up as much gas and oil and shit as we want, in fact we should rather try and do something to slow the rate. could you imagine if every home in the entire world was run on solar power. That would be incredible in terms of decreasing the rate of climate change. Sadly however, it's just not realistically possible to do anything about climate change on a grand scale. But then again, every little bit helps.
By #485312 at 09,Mar,21 10:30
yeah, I see what youre saying all the time, we're made to be consumers and we cant change that, just living a life as clean as we can and teaching our kids to do the same is all we can do on a small scale, but while ever shares and shareholders are more important than existence, nothing will change. Even with the last year with people staying closer to home and not using planes. it doesn't seem to make anyone want to stay put any longer.. as soon as borders are opened again and air travel starts again, the air will quality will go back to what it was pre pandemic. Im pretty sure this 'pandamic' didn't reduce world population by large percentages, if at all... *lix*

By CAT at 26,Feb,21 14:55 other posts of CAT 
I believe strongly in Global Warming. Thousands, perhaps millions of people are trying to change it. In the end it will be like trying to hold back the ocean tides. Eventually Disney World will be a beach attraction. My opinion.
By phart at 26,Feb,21 19:30 other posts of phart 
Um,more coastal property? should I be buying some land down there? My mom supposedly had bought a half acre down there but I never found any paper work on it to verify.Knowing my luck as I told her ,it was probably a sink hole with a Yugo in the bottom.

By phart at 25,Feb,21 14:47 other posts of phart 
Think about this for a minute.
The Liberals and democrats and greenies think that handing the governments more money in carbon tax is going to change the temperture of the earth.
Who really is going to make out like a bandit in this equation?

By fatcock66 at 22,Jan,21 16:35 other posts of fatcock66 
didn't read whole thread... but if you can't see the evidence right in front of you
By phart at 04,Feb,21 03:16 other posts of phart 
As you typed that,1000's of people are under 2 feet of snow.
By #485312 at 04,Feb,21 10:48
I don't know what the weather patterns in other parts of the world are like, but I find most of the bushfires here in Australia, and not sure what theyre like elsewhere, but here, with all the goodie two shoes and greenies whining about not setting the bush on fire and back burning, that is what I feel has increased the intensities of these fires, and with over population and people building in ridiculous places, what else do they expect?
Most councils here wont back burn or let anyone clean 'fuel' from around their house for fear of the 'greenies' all getting bent out of shape.. you cant even pick up the wood on the side of the road and take home and burn??? now we suffer with these intense infernos, that kill everything in their path, as the wild life doesn't have time to get out of the way, and its decimated spots to the point of the trees just aren't growing back, because everything has been destroyed. I blame most of what we are 'suffering' and I mean all the soft arses that have to sit in an air conditioned office for fear of 'god help them', working up a sweat... I even see people who refuse to stop their car and turn off the air con, because theyre too 'delicate' to embrace a few degrees of discomfort ??? schools now are softening up the kids and providing them all with 'cooled' rooms instead of letting them learn that life isn't always 'perfect'... I get sickened nearly every day by being built out and over populated, we need to stop having so many kids and stop using limited resources, like we don't care about what comes next.. and who cares if we can feed the masses in 30 plus years??? we're already running out of room and putting native animals and plant species in danger... so what happens when we're all so jammed in like sardines and starving, or suffering from lack of toilet paper in this over arse wiped society?? people have no conscience of where food comes from, or how ethical animal welfare is around the raring and killing of your family meal and whether or not your waste is being recycled or tipped properly? no one ever really cares about what theyre lifestyles impacts on things around them.. I think every generation leaves it up the next to fix and no one wants to do what is needed to stop capitalism and reduce our every expending take over of the world.. *Lix*

By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Feb,21 15:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your logic: Snow still exists, so climate change doesn't

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By phart at 05,Feb,21 01:48 other posts of phart 
Just read the name out loud of what you are talking about.Climate change.
The climate has been changing since the Earth formed.And it will continue.Because like any attempt at a perpetual motion machine will show you,nothing goes on forever.The planets orbit the sun,they are and will change their orbits.The sun is changing,thus affecting our climate.Did we create the sunspots?
Think a bit,just think. NOTHING stays the same.Nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 08:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are indeed natural processes that change the climate on the long term and there are natural disasters that change the climate on the short term.
Oil reserves that have been forming over millions of years being burned in a hundred years and about 46% world deforestation is a man made disaster that changes the climate much more.
Humanity emits about 40 billion tons of CO2 per year (not including wildfires). That is 4 times more than the world record of wildfires in 1997. All those wild fires in California last year, produced only 0.5 billion tons, of the total 7.5 billion tons of CO2 (from all wildfires in the world). only registered users can see external links

That means the use of fossil fuels produces 80 times more CO2 per year then the wildfires in California did. And you keep thinking that doesn't have an effect on the climate?

The effects of humanity on the climate are absolutely clear:

You once said before that you don't listen to politicians, but only trust you own experiences. That can't be the reason, because you were not alive 'since the Earth formed'. Your argumentation is fact free, right wing propaganda from professional climate change deniers.
Still, you probably don't make money from denying climate change yourself, so you must have another reason for your self-denial. Is it fear or is it just effective indoctrination from right wing media?
By CAT at 05,Feb,21 14:38 other posts of CAT 
What's more, phart, no one denies the world changes but, as Ananas says, the population of the world is accelerating the warming effect that seems to be coming down the pike. So, I'll allude to his reasoning. phart why are so quick to discard conclusions made by the most brilliant of our scientists in the world?
By phart at 05,Feb,21 15:15 other posts of phart 
Brilliance is in the eye of the blinded by the light beholder.
I see the weaponization of the climate change hoax to further control the population.To put folks back on bicycles instead of enjoying what modern tech has to offer.I see it affecting peoples choices in what they can drive,how far they can travel in a day,what they can eat,what they can wear.Have you not read the articals about car manufactors deleting leather interiors from the options list to "go green"?
Have you not read about the deletetion of meat from the human diet being 1 of the goals of the new green deal?
Look at your daily life. The object you are typing on to criticize me is made of plastic.Where did plastic come from? OIL.
The clothes you wear, how was the cotton planted and harvested? Using deisel engines.
The shoes you wear,do you like having to pay $$$ for shoes every couple months because the organic fibers rot right off your feet instead of being able to buy a leather boot or shoe that will give you your moneys worth in time?
Do you want your road trips limited to 300 miles or less a day? What do you do with the rest of the day being at 60 miles an hour you are only going to be able to drive 5 hours a day? Heck,the last long trip I took I drove 650 miles in 1 day ,BEFORE I had to stop and fill up the gas tanks.
study the power grid here in the US and tell me if you think it is up to the challenge of chargeing the electric cars.Members of my family helped install the grid here on the east coast,once it was "finished " in the late 80's,there has been no major upgrades.It takes alot of grid to support every household charging a car.

I could go on and on,but you have to stop looking at graphs and listening to scientist for a moment and look around in YOUR own space and think about the long term effects of your ideas and decisions.
Give the free market time,and alot of people with short commutes will be in electric cars.
By CAT at 05,Feb,21 16:01 other posts of CAT 
It is not a hoax. No one wants to control the population in this way. As far as trips are concerned in electric cars, the state of Florida has charching stations in every rest area on major highways. What's more, 300 miles of travel in a single day is more than enough for most drivers to go from charge to charge. The amount of gas you are able to fill up with is different from car to car. Tell me, what's so wrong for a driver wanting to own an electric car? Do the electrons jump from their car to yours and blow out your fuses?

By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 19:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
phart, you just DON'T WANT to believe in climate change, because you don't want to care about anything or anyone, except maybe your direct family and friends.
It's not just about climate change. You also don't want to be bothered by the environment, animal cruelty or the extortion of people in poor countries that make your products.

It's just a very selfish world view.
By phart at 06,Feb,21 02:01 other posts of phart 
2 warm, I am for choice,free enterprise,drive what you wish,not what you are dictated to by a government.300 miles,sheesh,that is a joke for a road trip cross country.
And another thing, the tech for electric vehicals is Just barely becomeing practical for commuting cars.Rv'ing is still years away from being practical with electric.

And I am not "selfish" as the other 1 says.I don't where that rant came from. ANd it is not "believing" in anything.If it was real,it would be obvious.Like are Ghost real? Show me 1. Is climate change real,"oh here is a graph,here is some carbon in some ice" .Well there are photos that show unexplained "spirits" to.
We don't agree on alot,but at least both sides get a idea of how the other thinks.And I am so thankful I was able to enjoy the better part of my life with a 4 barrel carburetored honking V8 instead of a buzz box that would sound as awesome as my 79 Ez-go.

By Emerald at 17,Dec,20 23:40 other posts of Emerald 
I don't usually do this, but I'll take the bait for once.

Asking whether people believe in global warming makes it sound like some sort of religion. Science is humanity's best attempt at finding the facts. I would like to point out that your car, phone, computer, everything that surrounds you works because of science, so it has proven to be pretty reliable. You wouldn't be reading this if science wasn't trustworthy.

Scientists overwhelmingly agree that global warming is happening, and humanity's contribution is shifting the natural cycle to a degree that, over time (a long time, mind you), threatens our survival as a species. We (meaning humanity) are so sure of this that there is no longer any point in debating the question. Our attention needs to shift to what we can do about it.
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Now, to take my own advice, what you should do about it is:

1) Avoid flying airplanes, except in emergencies. A vacation is not an emergency.
2) Drive an electric car, if you can afford one. They're better than petrol cars in most respects, anyway.
3) If your country's electricity mix is coal or oil based, install solar or wind power if possible.
4) Eat vegetables and fish or, if you have to have meat, chicken or pork. Avoid beef and lamb, as they generate methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.
5) Vote for green policies, if you have a chance. The world will eventually move away from fossil fuels in any case (it's profitable), but it will happen much faster if we provide incentives.
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And with that, I'll get back to looking for people who appreciate a nice, long foreskin...
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Except for 6) Buy second hand, whenever possible. I forgot that one...
By oldbugle at 18,Dec,20 09:37 other posts of oldbugle 
Excellent overview!

......It's worth remembering however, that while science itself can generally be trusted the same does NOT apply to many scientists (not to mention politicians)
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 11:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Exactly, some 'scientists' are funded by oil companies with the mission to spread misinformation about global warming, so the executives and share holders can keep raking in the money from a lucrative business, that is unfortunately having devastating side effects, in the long run.
By CAT at 18,Dec,20 13:47 other posts of CAT 
That's exactly why God gave you a brain
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Dec,20 08:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The evidence is pretty strong that brains are not a product of God, but of evolution.
By CAT at 23,Dec,20 05:15 other posts of CAT 
The development of the brain is evolution but you can’t evolve an empty cranium. I think God had something to do with it.
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However, as you are being carried towards the sea after a sunami ; I don’t think you’ll care if the local priest gives you absolution
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True, empty craniums are not the result of evolution. They are the result of watching too much Fox News.

By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 09:37 other posts of Strongmember# 
I agree that asking the question this way gives way too much validation to the very small percentage of experts still disagreeing with man-made climate change theory. This small percentage is often associated with well-funded beneficiaries of maintaining doubt in the mind of the public. If this doubt was not created with a decades long calculated misinformation campaign, then their industry interests would be more likely to suffer because more regulation would be enacted or shifts in consumer behavior.

By #485312 at 20,Dec,20 21:56
its great to see someone with their own personal plan and I hope you take all your own advice, Id add growing a few vegies, shopping local for local produce and being aware of your responsibility as an educated human being to do all the small things every day, that all add up over a life time.. funny how everyone thought that getting rid of single use bags wouldn't work, well as humans, we learned to adapt and bring our own .. and my biggest pet peeve, would have to be WASTE, food waste, and especially when it comes to meat, seeing someone buy and throw out a piece of uneaten meat to me is just wrong... if an animal dies, give it the respect of at least eating it... how dare you take a life and throw it in the bin... if you cant eat it, then take it home and heat it up and finish it.. *Lix*
By Emerald at 21,Dec,20 09:41 other posts of Emerald 
Yes! I agree with everything you said! I could have made the list longer, but I figured my wall of text was already intimidating enough. We have adopted all of the measures I listed, except for installing solar - and that's because we live in a frozen wasteland where the sun is barely above the horizon for six months in winter, and the electricity mix is 98% hydroelectric in any case. None of the changes required have been particularly painful, so it's definitely possible.
By #485312 at 21,Dec,20 10:09
we have solar panels, not sure if they make much difference to the power bill, the energy companies here sell them and tell you one thing, they don't send you a bill for 12 months, close the company and than send you a bill for the previous 12 months stating that they take my power and give me 3 cents a Kw, and sell it back to me for 30 cents a Kw,??? and when you try to find the mob that installs them, they conveniently don't exist and no one is liable for the lies... so you never really own the power you generate. but give it to the grid for someone else to sell and make a profit from... its a bloody scam here.. *Lix*
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 12:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We have bought our solar panels in February. The price was about Ђ5250 and we got an Ђ1100 tax return. The panels should produce about 3400 KWh, but they have produced 2650 KWh so far. Of course the projected production is an estimation for good circumstances. The spring was good for solar energy, but the summer was way too hot (which impacts the efficiency) and the autumn was dark and wet.
We use about half our produced power ourselves and the other half is 1 on 1 deducted from the power we use from the grid.
Early 2021, I can calculate exactly how much money we saved with our panels.
By phart at 21,Dec,20 18:21 other posts of phart 
I bought some batterys last week and the fellow sells alot of them for off grid power. And he told me something I didn't know.Solar panels have a 10 to 20 year life span depending on the type and then they are about impossiable to recycle and you actually have to pay a hazardous waste fee to dispose of them.
Also,unlike the AGM lead acid batterys i buy from him that can be sold for recycle,Lithum cost him 80 cent a pound to get rid of!

Going green,looks good in the short term,but getting rid of the stuff later is exspensive
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 22:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In the Netherlands, private individuals can dispose of their discarded solar panel for free in the brown and white goods container in the recycling center.
Our panels have a 10 year manufacturers warranty, 10 year warranty for 90% power output and a 25 year warranty for 80% power output. I trust that they've got the recycling figured out by then.

What do you charge your batteries with? If you live in a windy area, you could make a cheap wind turbine yourself. If you're completely off grid, that's handy.

By up-for-it at 05,Feb,21 16:49 other posts of up-for-it 
Great answer, thank you !

Climate change has been happening since the world began (how that began is another debate) but we are speeding up the proces with what we have been doing thus not giving nature and us the time to adjust to the change.

Your tips will help to reduce the impact;

One tip from me; if you can grow your own vegetables: no transport needed and it tastes better; and that is personal experience.

By bustyman44dd at 04,Feb,21 10:39 other posts of bustyman44dd 
We are still in the process of leaving our last ice age which on geological time happened almost yesterday, so we are warming. As to our climate effect i think the industrial revolution would have been more disastrous to the climate than our effect now. i mean everyone burnt wood or coal, all people and all factories. London was thick with smog!
Are we saying that had no effect and suddenly now our cleaner lives are?
If the climate was getting colder i think it would be more of a worry!
We live on the Earth, it doesn't live to sustain us....
If a scientist wants money for a project he has to add climate change or go begging. (cynical i know)!
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 12:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If a scientist wants money for a project he has to add climate change or go begging"

Do you think climate scientists are STUPID or DISHONEST?
Why would anyone give money to scientists to invent nonsense and then spread lies
for eighty years? And how do they continuously acquiring more evidence and make predictions that turn out to be very accurate decades later?
Don't you think scientists would like to do something more USEFUL, if it wasn't true?
Wouldn't you? Do you distrust people that much?

Do you think only that 1% of climate scientists HIRED BY OIL COMPANIES are right?

Oil and coal have been the most lucrative business in history. The whole economy ran or still runs on it. Why would they want to change that? It was even scientists employed by the oil companies who raised the alarm on the climate first. Not a smart strategy to say your employer is destroying the world, if you want to KEEP YOUR JOB!

Would they lie for the money? The average wage of climate scientist is $63,817.
Well educated people can make a whole lot more than that. A pharmaceutical scientist makes $91,206 on average. If they want to make money, they should work for the oil industry and make at least $100,000. Or if they just like lying and think science is too difficult, they could become a lobbyist and make on average $128,438.

The industrial revolution caused a lot of lung disease in the people of London. It even caused moths to change their color to black. Still, global CO2 emissions at that time were a tiny fraction of what it is now. That is because now 89% people in the world have electricity, industry has developed all over the world and not in just a few big cities. Humanity has grown to 7.7 billion people now, which was 1 billion around 1800.
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By CAT at 05,Feb,21 13:34 other posts of CAT 
It'S not the quality. It's the quantity. World population was much smaller. Factories were smaller and in lesser quantities. What's more, while we, the USA and certain European countries have cleaner manufacturing, places like India and China are still using unscrubbed coal burning for power.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 13:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes exactly.

And I will add something else; bustyman44d says: "We are still in the process of leaving our last ice age". How do you know? Because of SCIENTISTS!!!!

The same scientists who tell you climate change is real and it is caused by our unprecedented CO2 emissions.

Don't you think they know about ice ages?
By CAT at 05,Feb,21 14:29 other posts of CAT 
Heck, even fiction writers like Jean M Amuel writes about it. They even know how far the glacial ice reached into what is now the world's tropical areas.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,21 16:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, sometime earlier than 650 million years ago the earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen. However that took millions of years to start and recover.
We are indeed at the end of the last ice age, that lasted until about 11,700 years ago. However the last 2000 years was pretty stable, although there was a 'medieval warm period' (of about +0.5°C) and after that the 'Little ice age' (of about -0.2°C). Those took several hundreds of years. Now (2017) we have shot up to +1°C in about a hundred years. It's almost certain we will not reach the Paris Climate Agreement goal of max. +1.5°C and will need to do a lot to limit the increase to max. +2°C.

So is it hotter now than it ever was? No, it was hotter in the 'Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse', roughly 92 million years ago. That was probably caused by widespread volcanic activity that boosted atmospheric carbon dioxide.
The last spike in temperature, although a bit less extreme, was the 'Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum' (PETM), about 55-56 million years ago. That has been attributed to a massive methane (CH4) release from marine gas hydrate reservoirs.

So why are scientists concerned? Because those previous hot periods either happened very slowly or were set off by a natural disaster, that set in motion a chain reaction. Humanity IS the natural disaster now, because we have increased CO2 levels to unprecedented levels. That way we can set off another chain reaction.
This happens when forests die, when permafrost thaws and rots (-> CH4) or when marine gas hydrate reservoirs are released. We are adding to the problem with our man made deforestation.

But, life survived back then, so why not now?
Sure, life survived, but many species didn't. Also huge areas of land were
under water, because the sea level was at least 45 m higher than today.
That would be a problem, because most big cities are on the coasts.

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By Zorilla at 04,Feb,21 00:26 other posts of Zorilla 
Fiction, liberal lie

By bannon at 21,Dec,20 00:13 other posts of bannon 
If you prefer to believe NASA and all the worlds top scientists that have based their opinion on decades of research, information and fact - YES

If you prefer to believe someone with no exeperience or qualifications or relevant study, that is generally lazy and cant be bothered throwing their own garbage in a bin - NO

Vote - oil industry lobby $$$$ - you know they care

Do you trust NASA to get people to Mars - Yes
Do you trust NASA to identify climate change - No, its a communist conspiracy to get fat useless people out of their cars so that when they invade we wont be able to get home to get our guns.
By Strongmember# at 21,Dec,20 01:35 other posts of Strongmember# 
But I saw on Facebook that climate change is a hoax.. so.. some say it is real.. and now i hear hoax.. in my mind I can only evaluate 2 opposing realities as equal and opposite so.. I'll just say that the science is still out.. the jury is still out..
By phart at 21,Dec,20 02:54 other posts of phart 
It used to be global cooling when I was in about the 4th grade,then it was global warming,and now it is climate change. Do you not see the irony of all the changes to the name of the general idea the climate is "changeing"?
Every so often enough evidence would come up to debunk the name so they just changed it and moved along.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 22:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In my youth the crisis was about the ozone layer. We solved that one, without to much trouble.

Solving climate change is a bit more difficult, but just changing the source of power for our houses and industry to renewable energy would be enough to make a big improvement. Does that really sound so problematic?

If the US puts their head in the sand, turns away from science and progress and lets the rest of the world figure it out, than you will loose your significance in the world, you will fall behind more and more, other powers will take over as leaders of the world, everyone will drop the dollar to do business in, you will be isolated politically and see your your jobs shipped overseas even more.
Is this America first or will you just be the biggest losers in the world?

By bannon at 23,Dec,20 05:10 other posts of bannon 
NASA know nothing. scooter riding comic book reader knows better
By phart at 23,Dec,20 15:30 other posts of phart 
Who rides a scooter?
Nasa knows what they are paid to know.
Government funded.

By tecsan at 22,Jan,21 03:22 other posts of tecsan 
I agree, they always change the name to suit their needs for the present situation...

By CAT at 23,Dec,20 05:13 other posts of CAT 
strongmember# we are already seeing the effects of climate change. Just listen to the weather man
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And while at it......FACEBOOK? Never heard of that scientific publication.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,20 22:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I you get out of your car and ride a bike more, you might develop enough stamina to put up a fight, when the commies invade.
By bannon at 23,Dec,20 04:52 other posts of bannon 
Trump has already encouraged his mate Putin to invade US defence agency software systems. Thats why he was inviting him for dinner along with Mike Flynn and all the other good o'l boys communist collaborators. Just because they were only working with Putin to get trump elected, doesnt mean they arent collaborators.
Then they gain access to US systems on the back of it.
Why not have them roll up at DC?
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Dec,20 08:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're afraid Trump will cooperate with the Russians to make your country a communist vassal state?
By bannon at 15,Jan,21 00:38 other posts of bannon 
Putin is pissing himself laughing. What a cunt trump is.AMerica has become a luaging stock. Uganda is taking teh piss out of us
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jan,21 20:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump was awesome for Putin in Russia. I saw a comment of a Russian girl on YouTube, saying that she will really miss the daily Trump show on their news.
They have ridiculed him relentlessly over there. In China too, the communist party
is showing Trump as their best example that democracy is an inferior system.

By zzick at 17,Jan,21 18:49 other posts of zzick 
Was 2 or 3, sorry for the spelling

By zzick at 17,Jan,21 18:48 other posts of zzick 
For sure it is, always has.
There wadv2 or 3 mass extinctions before the big one 75 million years ago, or so, that finished off the dinosaurs.

The world and the universe does what it wants.

The question is, are we to blame,
I dont think so.

By zzick at 15,Jan,21 16:01 other posts of zzick 
You misspelt Wyoming, you're welcome.

By sexyken at 24,Dec,20 20:11 other posts of sexyken 
Everything you have learned and i mean everything learn about ancient Sumerians everything no just main stream documentary's what all sides then come to ur conclusion because this the base of what happening on earth

By sexyken at 17,Dec,20 21:42 other posts of sexyken 
We are being lied to by our governments 20 thousand years ago there was 20% more Cardon in the atmosphere than today so they talk shit but the earth is changing though its cycle as do winter summer and spring there is no difference but we humans haven't been known this and because of we didn't know and we haven't bothered to research this our governments have seen this and are using global warming as excuse to tax us and there was global warming it would be due to the ones who control the world and they expect us to pay for there mistakes which call crimes against humanity which is the most deeply evil that you can go even the bad the bad e.ts are not as bad as the illuminati that run this slave planet until we remember who we are and why we came to be on earth. Then we can take our place among the stars
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 09:55 other posts of Strongmember# 
Interesting thoughts. Curious as to how you learned all this and put the pieces together.
By sexyken at 24,Dec,20 19:59 other posts of sexyken 
Everything I telling you you can research its how far do you want to go down the rabbit hole

By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 11:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your message brings more questions than answers, and the only data that is in it is wrong; The last time CO2 levels were as high as today’s was about 3 million years ago.
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Where did you get your data?

Do you have some proof for your conspiracy theories?
- The governments lie to us? The governments were the last to recognize global warming. It is science and all the data is available for everyone to learn about it.
- The Illuminati that run this slave planet? Where are they? How are they doing it? To who are you or am I a slave?

So, who are we and why did we come to be on earth?
And if we know that, how can we take our place among the stars?
By sexyken at 19,Dec,20 06:32 other posts of sexyken 
Open ur mind go online core samples of ice 20 thousand years ago had more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than today that is a fact and regardless what you think it is what you know do dnt talk to me when you can't be bothered to do yours research its in font of ur eyes your to involved in your bullshit I need to be told or I read that you twat fucking wake up I call u lot droneys your brainwashed and your with them u are a cunt you fucking lot and u think ur a GD person your feeding the devil if ur a bible basher and if ur not your worse because you believe in science get out house and watch the sky on a Stary night
By Strongmember# at 19,Dec,20 10:48 other posts of Strongmember# 
This is only one piece of the puzzle. To explain the entirety here would take up too much space. I recommend the Nasa website only registered users can see external links

By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Dec,20 14:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
My mind is open to DATA. The core samples show, the last 800.000 years CO2 levels have never been above 300 ppm, until now.
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CO2 levels are above 400 ppm now. That's a fact: only registered users can see external links
So, I've done my research and have given 2 reliable references.
Where's your data?

You got one thing right, I am an atheist. Still, I don't bash the bible a lot, because I like the character of Jesus. However, if you want to understand current events, science is a better source than a book written 3400 until 1700 years ago. If you want to know about the stars, you're better off looking at telescope pictures (SCIENCE) than looking at the sky with your naked eyes.

The acceptance of science is not a belief, because science is the collective knowledge of our species. It is based on observation, experimentation, data gathering, constant debate and reasoning, testing hypotheses and predictions, until the evidence is very well supported and it is called a theory. If science makes a claim, I can check the data, the sources and peer studies and I can make up my mind if the evidence stacks up enough to accept the truth of the claim. If a claim is revised in any way, because of new data, I have no problem revising my opinion on the subject. Apologists often point this out, as science can change their opinion on anything, when new evidence is found, but that only shows ignorance about science. This only happens on topics when the science is not complete yet. The science of climate change is by now irrefutable.
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By CAT at 18,Dec,20 13:52 other posts of CAT 
Oh, brother. Quick, turn on the lights and they'll run back into the walls.

The Illuminati?

By stardragon at 17,Dec,20 16:29 other posts of stardragon 
I think like the late George Carlin said: "when the world is done with us it'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas!"
By #485312 at 20,Dec,20 22:21
that's very profound and very true. *lix*

By Rob00 at 16,Dec,20 00:56 other posts of Rob00 
Fiction,lets start with cleaning up the rivers,oceans,and the waste thrown out onto the roadside,we need to start there first
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 01:38
Aussieman and I are always picking up trash, every where we go, you can find some mindless human has left a trail of garbage behind them.. these are the things that are in every ones control, yet we don't put any enthuses on it in schools or advertising to remind people that this is basic stuff .. seeing rubbish flying out the window of car infuriates me ... not even having the patience to wait till you stop and put it in a bin is just lousy.. and it teaches the youngsters to do the same if they see their parents doing it *lix*
By phart at 16,Dec,20 01:52 other posts of phart 
Well,next trip the US makes to the moon,some scientist want to retreive the "garbage" we left up there,over 60 pounds worth.SOme if not most,is human shit and urine.They wanted to take home rocks and samples and had to leave excess weight behind.
Scientist want to study the stuff to see how it has changed in the low gravity,no oxygen enviroment.The poop and wiz should have had organisms in it that would either change,die or be fossilized.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 01:55
wow, didn't realise they left that much up there, I would have thought they just left a flag and their footprints in the sand... I did once read one of the astronauts left a photo of family on the moon.. and it would be great to see them clean it up too.. before china gets there and claims it as theirs *lix*
By phart at 16,Dec,20 01:58 other posts of phart 
There is a battery powered Moon Rover up there to!I want it brought back!
1 of the original prototypes was found in a back yard in florida in 2018 and scrapped before anyone knew what it was.What a moon buggy!
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 02:07
bummer, people don't care about history .. shame the pickers didn't find it and pass on its story.. I seen a little model on the pickers of a landing craft and they knew it was important just having a model from the time *lix*

By Rob00 at 16,Dec,20 08:31 other posts of Rob00 
Yes *lix* lets start cleaning up our own country first,look what clean up Australia Day collects on just One day,our Thanks to Ian Keirnan we need more like him
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 19:15
yes we do need more hands .. I walk down the street every morning and every day, I can pick up something .. if every one just didn't drop it in the first place, would make it a far better place.. I cringe when I go down the coast. every gutter has rubbish in it.. the front of the shopping centre is a disgrace.. More Ians and better council management supplying bins and emptying them more often in busy places.. seems local government doesn't care much either *lix*
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 09:39 other posts of Strongmember# 
@Rob00 tackling garbage, especially plastic waste ending up in rivers and oceans is definitely a great cause that should be tackled in addition to man-made climate change
By #485312 at 20,Dec,20 22:03
as individuals, I think we a feel pretty helpless to do anything to stop climate change, but we can pick up trash, we can see an instant result from a cleaner area and I hope others see people like us picking it up and realise that they can do their part too, to have some pride in your 'nest', as the whole world is your nest, not just the house you live in... *lix*

By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Dec,20 19:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you still talking about believing global warming is real? Can't you just fucking notice it happening? I used to live in a mild climate. The summers had some hot days, some pleasantly warm day and lots of rain. The winters were fucking cold, with ice and snow. We used to be able to skate almost every winter.
Now the summers have many fucking hot days, sometimes even in may. Almost every year all the grass dies and trees let their leaves fall. We don't have any autumns any more, with nice red leaves. The leaves just shrivel up, die and fall off. We haven't seen a real winter in years. No ice, maybe some wet snow or snow that is melted in a day. Children can only learn to skate in an ice hall.
That's all not normal. That's global warming being obvious.
By mobiusdick at 17,Dec,20 19:52 other posts of mobiusdick 
Where I live, there's usually just one long summer, starting in May and ending around October or November.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 11:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And has that always been like that?
By mobiusdick at 18,Dec,20 14:45 other posts of mobiusdick 
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 15:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you think that is just due to natural climate fluctuations?
By phart at 18,Dec,20 17:00 other posts of phart 
Yes.I do.
Something happened i cliced on something wrong,if there is a - point or something comes up,it was a accident
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 18:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not clear what you are saying. What is your reason for thinking it is just due to natural causes?

Do you know that only 2.4 million square miles remain of the original 6 million square miles of tropical rainforest that formerly covered the Earth? So humanity has destroyed 60% of it.

Did you know humanity has used about 150 billions barrels of oil so far and there is about 1.5 trillion barrels left. They say we would burn through that in about 50 years at the current consumption.

And you think humanity can do all of that without impacting nature?

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By Gntlmn at 18,Dec,20 16:24 other posts of Gntlmn 
'Looks like more shit from nazis who would've voted for Putin's-bitch.

By Louis at 16,Dec,20 02:06 other posts of Louis 
I'm not sure what to believe. I would say humans have caused it to a certain point, but on the other hand, Earth's climate has always fluctuated one way or the other. Its been much warmer in the past, as in the time of dinosaurs. Likewise it's also been much colder such as the last ice age. There's conflicting information from both sides of the issue. As I do with most things of this nature, I keep an open mind and try to learn all I can about it.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 02:15
yeah, most the theories are educated guesses at best. we have been told of el nino and la nina weather patterns here are the causes of drought or floods. Im not sure how weather patterns work, all I know is most summers here are hot and we have always been trying to balance drought and floods with our farming.. ancient history has people moving from prosperous places when the rivers change or land is worn out .. and nature has its own way of regenerating these places after *lix*
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 09:30 other posts of Strongmember# 
@louis @licksipsuckit The many scientific organizations that have identified the effect of human beings on the current global warming are all aware of the history of planet temperature fluctuations and have tried to separate the data. What began as very educated guesses have become much stronger theories as time goes by. There honestly is not much conflicting information of opinions at the level of experts.
By oldbugle at 18,Dec,20 09:42 other posts of oldbugle 
That may be true, but many such organizations cannot be trusted due to their corruption by by outside forces and money ......sorting out the ones that CAN be trusted is the difficult part!
By Strongmember# at 18,Dec,20 09:50 other posts of Strongmember# 
I understand, so I have examined the many organizations putting out climate change data, such as the UN's special IPCC, US government's NASA, many Universities.. Seeking special motives from these organizations and tracking how corrupting forces would stand to benefit is less compelling than opposition research from scientists or lobbying groups funded by the coal or oil industry. The monetary benefit for the latter is much more obvious I would say, and the amount of money is huge.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 11:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Corruption is the biggest threat to the people. It ensures that politicians and representatives of organizations are not working for the common interest, but for their own self interest. Whether your convictions are to the right or to the left, it is always sensible to vote for representatives who speak out and act against funding of your representatives by any interest groups. Our representatives should be impartial and completely transparent, so the people can vote their conscience.
Then democracy will favor the many and not the few.
By CAT at 18,Dec,20 13:29 other posts of CAT 
First, our representatives are in office because they believe in certain policies. They don't have to be impartial, only transparent. If I may make an observation, you sound as though you don't trust the establishment. You sound like a pessimist. The other end of the spectrum would make you an optimist. Both are positions that will give you disappointment. Some politicians are crooked just like some people are thieves, ped@philes, sex perverts or bad president. But, and a big but, most people, in and out of government, are good, honest, people. Sometimes, it takes time for them to act to correct a wrong, but, give them a chance. Notice I did not specify Democrats or Republicans, left or right.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
With impartial I meant that they decide on policies without favoring people who give them money (either personally, through various loopholes or to their political campaigns) over the rest of the people/voters.
Transparency is not enough. It is already transparent how much money flows to politicians. That doesn't limit them to favor their financiers with beneficial policies.
You are indeed very optimistic when you think political funding is not favoring the benefactors and thereby neglecting the rest of the public.
I'm not telling you all politicians are corrupt, I'm saying that we can help them to act according their conscience, when you make their funding independent from moneyed interests.

Even if politicians could be trusted to make their choices completely independent of their funding, than politics is still dependent of that funding. Moneyed interests can still choose which representatives they help get their message heard. That way they have much more power over politics than normal voters.

By CAT at 18,Dec,20 12:53 other posts of CAT 
Strongmember# that's true. The scientific community has been fighting the unbelievers for decades. During the 1950's most families had one car. Today, most members of a family, have a car. No, car emissions, while considerably large in quantity, is only responsible for a part. The major damamage is done by coal burning and forest fires. I just can't believe the unbelievers. To them it's a hoax made up by the establishment. Now, I ask you. Why? It used to be hard to SEE global warming. Now, we have the melting ice caps, ocean levels rising, el niсo and la niсa patterns changing, stronger tropical storms, etc.

By CAT at 18,Dec,20 13:38 other posts of CAT 
El Niсo and La Niсa are products of the huge open Pacific Ocean, and as bad ass as that body of water can be, the sun is stronger. The heating of the water along with the winds being heated cause the changing of weather in Polinisia. Australia and New Zealand get the worst effect but every year we get a NOAA report. They tell us if El Niсo or La Niсa are prevelent that year. It causes weather patterns that affect the SW states and also winter storms.

By Zorilla at 17,Dec,20 22:08 other posts of Zorilla 
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Dec,20 11:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
bullshit (If you don't have any arguments, than this is a valid response)

By CAT at 18,Dec,20 13:44 other posts of CAT 
Why, why, why? The physical facts support it. No humans involved in the changes. Do you believe humanity has no hand in this? Or do you deny global warming?

By curvy8 at 18,Dec,20 10:06 other posts of curvy8 
Although I believe the science, regardless it is a fantastic opportunity to grow the economy. I am going long in sustainable energy because that is the next gold rush.

By phart at 17,Dec,20 23:24 other posts of phart 
some googling will help alot.

We are not getting closer to the sun, but scientists have shown that the distance between the sun and the Earth is changing. ... The rate at which the sun is slowing is also tiny (around 3 milliseconds every 100 years). As the sun loses its momentum and mass, the Earth can slowly slip away from the sun's pull.

The magnetic poles and the NORTH pole are moving
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With all these changes, taking place even before civilization began, how is it that humans,being so cocky,think they can actually change the earth?
Things change rather we were here or not.
Eventually this entire blue ball is going to go up in FLAMES. Perhaps that is the Bibical Hell?
The earth will burn for a very long time,seeming like a eternity.
By Emerald at 18,Dec,20 01:10 other posts of Emerald 
If you are wondering whether humans can change the Earth, go look at aerial photos on Google Maps. Cleared fields, roads, buildings everywhere. What percentage of the Earth have we *not* changed?

The reason we have had to accept that human activity is influencing the earth's climate is because we are measuring changes that are too sudden and radical to be explained by the factors you mentioned. Those factors are still there. The Earth does change, but over the span of millennia, not in a generation or two.

We can measure, over time, how much carbon dioxide is in the atmosphere. We can measure how much a coal power plant emits. We can calculate with relative ease and great certainty that we have, indeed, made a difference. The uncertainty lies rather in how sensitive the Earth is to our influence.

As it turns out, even though humanity's emissions are only a few percent of the total, that is still enough to upset the equilibrium to a degree that is dangerous to us in the long term.

By CAT at 16,Dec,20 13:17 other posts of CAT 
I do believe in global warming. The going theory is that a hole has opened up in the ozone layer and getting bigger. Most people say, "so what?". Well, I was born in Miami,Florida, USA. Our sister city across the Bay, Miami Beach, gets flooded every day. Why? The polar ice caps are melting and so the ocean levels are rising. Coastal cities get flooding during high tides. This did not happen in the 1960's. Miami Beach is my part of the country, but there are similar stories worldwide. There are other indicators, of course.
Now, who's to blame? Most scientists believe humanity is accelerating the process. Maybe, maybe not, but, as managers of this world, we should try to make it better.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 19:28
the ozone had a hole in it in the 80s, I thought we 'fixed' that by banning fluorocarbons in aerosols and refrigerators .. now its the destruction of rainforests and burning of fossil fuels. the bad thing is, it took a hundred years to get here , and Im afraid it will never get better with capitalism and governments wanting more people to make more taxes to drive this wheel into the ground.. nothing ever happens till its just about too late... *lix*
By CAT at 16,Dec,20 19:32 other posts of CAT 
I agree. Fluorocarbon emissions did go down but it didn’t fix it. There’s also the huge Amazon fires. They are man made with Brazilian government approval. We can’t win. Only delay it.
By phart at 17,Dec,20 15:28 other posts of phart 
exactly where is the hole.
If you look where the rockets are launched into space,burning EVERYTHING in it's path all the way up, UM,could it be?
By CAT at 17,Dec,20 21:45 other posts of CAT 
On the stratosphere just up from Patagonia

By rog65 at 16,Dec,20 00:06 other posts of rog65 
When I was a kid they told us that fossil fuels were about to run out. Over 45 years later there isn't a fuel shortage yet. If things are warming it's more nature than us.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 01:32
yeah, I watch old movies, and the references to fuels running out was evident back in the 50s and 60s, but no actions has ever been taken *lix*
By rog65 at 16,Dec,20 05:40 other posts of rog65 
This was the early to mid 70's. Limited gasoline sales, only so many gallons and odd and even days using the last number on the license plate to determine if it was the correct day. Scientists predicted we would run out of fossil fuels in just a few more years, it hasn't happened yet. But there has to be a limited supply. As far as global warming, we are coming out of an ice age. There is no way of knowing how it will end but I think it's more nature than a man made problem.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 06:34
yes nature is strong and unrelenting, its untameable and unpredictable ... fuel shortages are usually about economics ... the middle east can hold the world to ransom if it chooses ... and some how I don't think they'd even tell us if the wells were starting to run dry.. *lix*

By #623135 at 16,Dec,20 13:58
What you describe is the man made shortage when Saudi Arabia stopped producing oil. That was not a natural shortage. All predictions were for the middle of the 21st century and before fracking. The end is coming but not in my lifetime
By rog65 at 16,Dec,20 14:59 other posts of rog65 
Just going on what the news told us when I was a kid. We were also supposed to switch to the metric system but that never seemed to happen either.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 19:20
we switched here in the 60s to metric, when I went to school, they were still giving us rulers with inches in kinder to get rid of the surplus of them.. and in first class we got our metric rulers.. our parents taught us imperial, as they used imperial still in their working life and dad being a sawmiller, used imperial measures on timber till the day he died *Lix*

By phart at 17,Dec,20 15:29 other posts of phart 
I forgot how many Millions of dollars it was estimated to cost the state to change everything to metric,they just decided fuck it,cost to damn much for to little gain.

By Samcro619 at 17,Dec,20 03:07 other posts of Samcro619 
We are truly fucking up the place where we live and it's got to stop otherwise we will not have a place to live.

By #601068 at 16,Dec,20 09:37
Well i believe the Planet is a living thing and as all living things they must Die. stars die and i think the planet is just a cell in a body. just like a cell in our own body. And if we are a cell then we must die to create new cells. Yes I have had a joint or two
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 19:23
lol, I love the ideas you can have while stoned and forget them when youre straight.. but I can see your reasoning about us being a cell in a larger body... just so long as we don't kill it in our lifetimes *lix*

By phart at 16,Dec,20 01:50 other posts of phart 
For the most part,weaponized theory.
When I was growing up in school,we had Global Cooling shoved down our throats.We would be freezing to death by now according to what I was taught.
The earth has been changing since it was formed.And eventually it will be lost to the suns self destuction.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 02:04
yeah, as did the dinos, we'll die out at some stage, the earth will change and support a different kind of life.. at this point in time, we're living in our little sweet spot, with a very low tolerance for temps ... we have icefields to tropics, and we can barely live on the poles... however those early men made it through the ice age is beyond me.. they must have been a tough lot... and lucky for us they prevailed *lix*

By Rocksalt at 16,Dec,20 00:14 other posts of Rocksalt 
Fiction... Volcanoes, natural oil and methane seepage from the ocean floor and earth's natural hot and cold cycles do more to the environment than human activity ever thought of... IMHO.
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 01:33
yeah, some one said to me the other day, that the oceans are rising because we dump every thing in them, and just a case of simple water displacement *Lix*
By Rocksalt at 16,Dec,20 01:43 other posts of Rocksalt 
That's rediculous!
By #485312 at 16,Dec,20 02:00
there is a marking on rocks somewhere in botany bay that a first fleeter carved, showing high and low tide levels 200 years ago... and they estimated that its risen at least a foot since then... which is a lot of water, I couldn't have at a guess how much that would be.. *Lix*

By #485312 at 15,Dec,20 23:58
I see more people sitting at home, cranking up the air conditioners. no one seems to be able to stand 1 degree of discomfort anymore, this is what I see... all these protesters gluing them selves to the street don't really get the message across, only that theyre a bunch of disruptive uni students trying to get their faces on the tele... the world on a whole is so wasteful when using its finite resources and not a great deal is invested in making things from recycled materials to stop waste..
every generation blames the one before and no one wants to pick up the tab of cleaning it up and stopping it from happening.. crikey, grown educated humans still cant sort waste from recyclables in bins ... yet they can claim fame to being the most intelligent generation of all time??? how is this so??? *Lix*

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