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By phart at 19,Feb,25 02:34 other posts of phart 
Elon Musk, "yes I want to die on Mars , just not on impact"
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 08:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What a useless way to spend his fortune. Remember how you cared about your homeless and people who cannot afford groceries, once?
By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:35 other posts of phart 
still do. And the housing tech developed for mars , has to meet several specs. light weight ,easy to construct and able to insolate from the cold and heat.
Same thing homeless shelters would need to do.
The tech for food production, again, would need to be lightweight to transport to mars and work with very little resources, same tech could be used here on earth to make food for the hungry.
Not to mention, the educated people that want good paying jobs can work for Elon to create that new tech.
Open your eyes, remove the blinders, leave the hate at the door and look around.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 16:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The technology for Mars housing is completely useless for Earth.
It's the same nonsense trickle down idea, you guys believe about cutting taxes for the wealthy. It never worked, it only made the wealthy more wealthy and the poor more poor.
By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:46 other posts of phart 
Why? Shelter is shelter
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,25 09:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Does your shelter on Earth need to be airtight and insulate against -210°F?
You're clutching at straws to defend this shit. Don't be an idiot.

We already can make affordable housing in multiple ways.
It's all about the MONEY, not about the technology.

You will be spending hundreds of billions or trillions on Elon's hobby,
and let him eliminate social security to pay for it.

Since when do people need to live in shelters? How poor is your country?
This is technology that is designed for third world shit hole countries.
Is this what you think would Make America Great Again?
Do you have the ability to feel SHAME?
By phart at 20,Feb,25 12:50 other posts of phart 
don't you have any sense? how hot does it get in africa? if a shelter can insolate from -210,it can also insolate from +120. which the tech could be used in texas and other hot places to.
think before you bash. your idea of affordable housing mimics 5 star hotels built with tax money for people that do nothing but lay around and play video games and get welfare.
Affordable housing is needed all over the world,for people that need a hand up to do well for themselves. ONCE we get America back on it's feet, we can help others in new affordable ways. The cheaper we can help others, the more we can help. it is a process that will take time. We have to get America going well first though
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,25 15:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Mars mission is not going to add any tech for that, because it's already possible to insulate well enough. It's just cost why it's not done. Since space missions are not about cost, it's useless for the development of cheap shelters.

It's nonsense straw-manning that I would want to pay people for sitting at home.
I want people to have worthwhile jobs on a living wage. I don't want to pay more taxes to help people who can take care of themselves. I also don't want to pay more taxes to support billionaires exploiting workers. That's my taxes going directly into the pockets of the wealthy. I am willing to pay taxes to help people maximize their potential, as an investment with a public return on it.

Stop thinking I want welfare! I just want to stop the EXPLOITATION.
It would be nice if you finally understood what socialism really means.

Affordable housing means for me:
- Blocking land speculators who don't add anything, but just leach on the system.
- Kicking out foreign investment firms and invest publicly.
Instead of huge profits leaving the country, I want rent going back in the treasury.

According to our Constitution, housing is a government responsibility.
I want my government to live up to it again, because they gave it away to the wealthy as a revenue model, making housing incredibly expensive.

America was back on it's feet. You are the one destroying it.
Everything that was organized to make your country run, is gone in weeks.

Do you even have some ideas about those "new affordable ways"?
Have you ever even heard Trump or Elon or any Republicans pose any ideas?
Or is it just your faith, that after the government is made very small, it will all
come together? Can you show that there is some method to your madness?

You don't need to help anyone, just stop cutting away the floor below them.
Stop letting those robber barons exploit everyone. That will MAGA.









By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,25 09:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump, Elon, all the Republicans in the House and the Senate are in agreement.
THEY ARE GOING TO GUT OR CUT SOCIAL SECURITY.

Remember how they all booed Biden when he said they would do that?

Elon is already spreading the lie that over half of social security is fraudulent,
so they can MAKE UP SHIT TO CUT IT.

They are just making up stories about waste, fraud and abuse, to PREPARE YOU
for REAL CUTS. All the right-wing media is now parroting these lies.

You are a fucking moron, if you believe this bullshit story that there are dead people
or 150 and 200 year olds getting social security.

And when Trump cuts your social security (to who it may apply), they will tell you:
"We are not pissing on you, it's raining!"


By bella! at 13,Feb,25 05:24 other posts of bella! 
"Millions of your hard-earned tax dollars WASTED on “gender-affirming care” for mice, rats, and MONKEYS! You can’t make this stuff up—these people out here tryin' to make animals tranny!"

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By phart at 13,Feb,25 13:31 other posts of phart 
That's how democrats "create" jobs. By doing USELESS things.All that pain and suffering for animals for what?

By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:48 other posts of phart 
notice ananas and cat have not replied to this? No defense for it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 17:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Millions wasted? Why do you think it's a waste and why do you care about millions,
while Elon Musk is stealing trillions.
By phart at 20,Feb,25 01:11 other posts of phart 
can you show us where he is taking the trillions from and where he is putting them? His team can show where the money went,can you



By CAT52! at 20,Feb,25 00:16 other posts of CAT52! 
It amazes me how you conservatives, MAGA people really, can take a kernel of truth, out of context, and come to a conclusion that is totally not true. Yes, I’m sure the “kernel” is true, but did you or President Musk asked why?
Yes, animal research is frequently used to study human behavior, as animals can serve as "models" to investigate basic psychological and physiological processes that are shared with humans, allowing researchers to manipulate variables in a controlled environment and gain insights into human behavior that might be difficult to study directly in people; however, it's important to note that findings from animal studies should be interpreted cautiously when applying them to human behavior due to biological differences between species.

Scientists have used animals to study human conditions, and while you may not agree with the reality of transgenderism (is that a word?), it’s there and must be understood and handled.
Yes, Phart, I didn’t address this post fast enough. To be honest, I’m not very interested in pushing back on the ridiculous happenings that my country is going though thanks to those Co-Presidents occupying the White House.
They are self-serving, uninformed and/or lacking knowing how a government is supposed to help its people. They seem to want to push it to the limit and, I’m sure they will succeed to a point.
This is starting to look a lot like Cuba in the early ‘60s, Nicaragua in the ‘70s, or Germany in the 1930’s. My question is, “When will the Military stage a coup. After all, they pledged loyalty to the Constitution and NOT to any clown or clowns trying to destroy democracy.
By phart at 20,Feb,25 01:35 other posts of phart 
yea, and if you get a Doge rebate check, just sign it and mail it to me, I will put it in a good place being you won't appreciate it or want it since Elon got it for you.
By CAT52! at 20,Feb,25 01:40 other posts of CAT52! 
He wouldn’t send spit unless there was something in it for him. And that would defeat the purpose, wouldn’t it?
By phart at 20,Feb,25 01:51 other posts of phart 
what have you saw in the past year or 2 that makes you think elon needs any more of anything than what he had before jan 20?
By CAT52! at 20,Feb,25 04:42 other posts of CAT52! 
Are you kidding? He’s lousy with government contracts.







By phart at 20,Feb,25 01:48 other posts of phart 
Hey Cat, Since you think in trillions, hows 10.9 trillion in loss's,
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By phart at 20,Feb,25 01:47 other posts of phart 
Hey Anannas,

You know those wonderful regulations democrats like?
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By phart at 19,Feb,25 17:04 other posts of phart 
mass transit in europe is so safe!
NOT
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By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 17:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Accidents still happen, just not as often as in the US, per mile or km of track.
The risk of death for a train passenger within the EU is around 0.09 fatalities per billion train kilometres.
In the US, it's 0.5 deaths per billion miles traveled on Amtrak and commuter rail lines.



By phart at 19,Feb,25 17:02 other posts of phart 
Looking forward to this coming to our local Wendys, I stopped going there because I could not understand the persons accent and they always got the orders wrong.
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No retirement cost,no training needed, no over time pay,no workers comp,not asking for a raise or a day off. no sick days,
AI will work 24-7 and pay for it's self in short order. looking forward to it's take over of alot of jobs.


By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:44 other posts of phart 
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By dgraff at 19,Feb,25 11:35 other posts of dgraff 
Go Doge go
55 billion in cuts to do nothing organization with in our government yes you seen that right 55 billion so far and they only scratched the surface the democrats are scrambling makes me think maybe they have lots to hide
--------------------------------------- added after 5 minutes

If this don’t discredit the democrats for ever nothing will don’t believe me let’s talk about how much money the Clinton’s were paid out of taxpayers money with no explanation as to why
Busted
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 15:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, like the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Five plane crashes now?

He just fired the nuclear safety officers, people who are protecting your nukes!
What accidents or attacks would you like happening?

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has the job to police the bank and loan industry, to not scam it's customers. Trump is literally defunding the finance POLICE.

He's targeting CISA now, the agency that protects your elections from foreign hackers.
For a guy who keeps saying that the election was stolen from him, that's just clear evidence that he was lying and he wants to steal the next election.

Trump has muzzled the CDC earlier and is now ordering CDC and NIH layoffs.
Your eggs are this eggspensive, because of the raging bird flu. Not a good time to cancel the only agencies assigned to keeping that under control.

Are you still pretending you care about The Constitution?
If you want to cancel government agencies, you need to go through CONGRESS!

If they are cutting so much wasteful spending, then why did the House GOP just release
a budget that raises debt limit by $4 trillion?
By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:33 other posts of phart 
those planes crashed before the cuts. all the employees that were sent home were not permanent yet and were still in training so were not contributing anything yet.
I just read about 40 billion of credit card exspenses that elon found.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 16:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Then the question to you to: If they are cutting so much wasteful spending, then why did the House GOP just release a budget that raises debt limit by $4 trillion?

Those plane crashes happened AFTER, trump fired lots of FAA employees.

What Elon found is nothing but rumors, unless he is TRANSPARENT about it.
By phart at 19,Feb,25 16:36 other posts of phart 
change is expensive, and may take a while to take effect to bring about the savings. Consider it a investment, just as you want to invest government money in alternative energy and justify the high cost of the change. You don't mind high cost when it is related to something you agree with it seems
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,25 16:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not "change", it's just stupid cutting with a blunt axe.







By phart at 18,Feb,25 23:58 other posts of phart 
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By CAT52! at 18,Feb,25 14:04 other posts of CAT52! 
Ten days left in February and my food bill has doubled. Donnie, baby, I've been a good girl. Couldn't you give me a grocery cart full of steaks and eggs? 😋😋😈
By bella! at 18,Feb,25 14:45 other posts of bella! 
Eggs are expensive and Trump had nothing to do with that.
By CAT52! at 18,Feb,25 15:19 other posts of CAT52! 
But he's my president and he promised to lower prices on day one of his administration. Also, I understand the high price of eggs, but, what about all the other things that have gone up in the last 20 days?




By CAT52! at 18,Feb,25 14:01 other posts of CAT52! 
Donnie Boy: "I will end the Ukrainian war on the first day of my administration". And, by God, he did. Now it's just a matter of tying some lose ends. 🤣🤣😈


By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Feb,25 17:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how
to reach them." When plane crashes, due to Trump firing hundreds of FAA employees,
are not devastating enough, Trump fires nuclear safety workers.

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By phart at 13,Feb,25 16:38 other posts of phart 
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Ananas2xLekker . what is your take on this? Someone buys the vehicle of their choice and is threatened by college kids that don't like the person behind the manufacture of it.

To me, it shows lack of balls if a college kid, is lousy enough to beat up a defenseless, expensive vehicle instead of taking their frustrations out on the person they don't like. I mean, gee, go after Elon and then get arrested and be in all the papers for throwing bricks at the worlds richest man if you are really that mad. I think it is just childish, self created justification for being poorly raised, disrespectful brats.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,25 17:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't care what some college kids are saying, I care what politicians say.
Your side is not shy about threatening people either.

Of course it is very dumb. If one owner sells their Tesla,
it will just belong to someone else. They can't force Elon to take em back.
But, they might make people fear owning a Tesla, which hurts Elon.
I'm certainly never going to buy a Tesla anymore now, even if they will make a car
that fits my wishes.
By phart at 13,Feb,25 17:47 other posts of phart 
I am mostly wondering if you are ok with these kids damaging property that folks worked hard to pay for?
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Feb,25 10:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Of course not. People couldn't predict that Elon would be like this.
Most people who drive Teslas are working class too.

We shouldn't threaten each other. It's the owner class who should shit themselves.
By phart at 14,Feb,25 15:25 other posts of phart 
Good, can you help me understand who taught these college kids that vandalism of peoples cars is a good idea? Besides, if you want to get technical, Ford is still in business and he and Hitler got along fine. So using "nazi" as a reason to bash a persons car is just bs. if they really beleived this , it would have been going on for decades and the jails would be full of vandals, or the cemetery's depending on whos car they bashed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Feb,25 15:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your side shows them every day that violence and vandalism is a good idea.
Of course they don't understand that it's only allowed for your side.
Maybe put some government adds on TV to explain that.

If Ford was openly nuts-gargling Trump, and helped him destroy democracy,
they wouldn't sell cars anymore either.

Given a few years, if Elon is gone or picked up his brain again, maybe people
will buy Teslas again too. People have the memory of a goldfish.
It's what a company does at the moment that's important. Once the company
takes a distance from the past, they are quickly forgiven.
I'm sure Elon knows that and is betting on it.
By phart at 14,Feb,25 20:05 other posts of phart 
what violence is the republicans committing right now? Where are the city's burning? only registered users can see external links this is the liberals way of dealing with musk.
You mean to tell me, it is ok to waste money? it's not ok to call it out? Democrats have a long hard battle to defend millions of waste.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Feb,25 23:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So far those kids have also only threatened to damage cars.
Trump supporters are threatening PEOPLE on a daily basis.
And the right-wing is responsible for most of the political violence.
Just a few years back, there was a massive spike in violence against Asian people,
just because Trump called Covid “the Chinese virus”. Not their cars, but the people.

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By phart at 14,Feb,25 15:16 other posts of phart 
And we are supposed to trust asylum seekers?
Yea ,right.
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By phart at 13,Feb,25 13:43 other posts of phart 
February 14th, just another day for me.
But for some, it could be a pivotal day in your life.
The decisions you make tomorrow, could mean in 9 months you are changing diapers, or planning your next fishing trip.
It could be that in 9 months you are sitting in dr's offices and accumulating medical debt from child birth or upgrading the sound system in your truck.
It could be that in 9 months you are living in regret because the person you chose to marry turned out to be a evil gold digging monster, or you could be putting a new roof on your house that is paid for and in YOUR name.


OR in the few rare cases, in 9 months you could be the happiest person alive after finding that rare human that fits your life to a T. To those few, I will say,i am happy for you folks, but remember your situation is RARE and fragile .Enjoy it. Life is short and we are promised NOTHING when born ,but we know death is certain.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,25 17:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ever heard of contraceptives?
By phart at 13,Feb,25 17:48 other posts of phart 
yes of course.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Feb,25 08:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It means people can fuck their brains out tonight, or tomorrow morning,
without changing diapers in 9 months, if they don't want to.





By phart at 14,Feb,25 01:44 other posts of phart 
Whoopi Goldberg's stage name came from a nickname that referred to her habit of farting, and her mother suggested the last name Goldberg.


Goldberg's birth name is Caryn Elaine Johnson.


By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Feb,25 11:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
This is Not Normal--- Congress BLOCKED From...Doing Their Job?
An opinion from a concerned, neutral, centrist American.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Jan,25 09:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
This is basically how the corporate news covered Elon's 'salute'.
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If Elon tried to copy Usain Bolt's victory pose or something, he had enough time now
to explain that, and say how awful he thinks it is, that he was misunderstood.
He did nothing like that. He calls the outrage "dirty tricks" from the left.

Well Elon, what did you do then? What was that supposed to be?
It wasn't a mistake. Doing it once is weird, doing it twice is intentional.

And why are all the neo-nazis so happy about it?
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They got the message, so don't cry when we know what you did too.
By phart at 24,Jan,25 17:10 other posts of phart 
Being partly disabled myself by no fault of my own, it offends me greatly that others are mocked because of issues with movement and communication .Even though I will confess without apology in this case,, when it comes to joe biden I have made it a point to say his word salad is very annoying. People that are not smart ,that have disability's, should not place themselves in powerful roles, to reduce national embarrassment.
Elon Musk is a very smart man, that knows how to motivate people and hire smart people to get things accomplished, if you read this quick google search result, not moving his arms in politically correct ways may very well be a part of his disability.
Just think of it as a retarded 12 year old that won a swim competition. they are excited but they don't exactly move their bodies like Riley Gaines,
"Asperger's syndrome is often considered a high-functioning type of autism.
People with Asperger's may have fewer challenges with language and cognitive development than those with more severe autism.
Symptoms of Asperger's include difficulty with social interactions, restricted interests, and a desire for sameness.
Musk has said that he doesn't always have a lot of intonation or variation in his speech. "
"Yes, Asperger syndrome, which is considered part of the Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), can significantly affect a person's physical movements, often manifesting as clumsiness, poor coordination, awkward gait, and difficulty with fine motor skills like handwriting, due to potential issues with proprioception (body awareness) and motor planning. "

so let me copy and repaste the part that YOU and so many others needs to understand here,
""Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), can significantly affect a person's physical movements, often manifesting as clumsiness, poor coordination, awkward gait,""

Did you catch that,CLUMSINESS, Awkward?

So to the nazi's that are happy, they are ignorant of the facts. to the democrats that are calling Elon hitler, they are hamas sympathizers so fuck them to.
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Jan,25 17:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He wasn't being clumsy, he knew exactly what he was doing!



Obviously his autism or Asperger's didn't prevent him to become the wealthiest man
on the planet, so he's responsible for his actions.

Stop gaslighting, being against genocide is not sympathizing with Hamas.
By mr_blue at 25,Jan,25 03:26 other posts of mr_blue 
Go and Google Kamala and her salutes Nancy pelosi and Hillary Clinton have done it too...
French guy Macron is also a big fan of the Roman salute...
Where's the outrage when they do it....?
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 01:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know that game; it's searching through hours and hours of video of people waving
to find one still image where their arm is at an angle that you can call a salute.
If you see the actual video, then you know they're just waving.
Are you telling me that Elon was just waving?
By mr_blue at 26,Jan,25 03:31 other posts of mr_blue 
Have you seen musk in public speaking events?
When the guy gets excited he has tics...he has Asperger's ffs..not a nazi salute, impulsive reaction to admiration yes..
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 09:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
One of my best friends has Asperger's. He never did that.

Two of my GF's nephews have autism, they have all kinds of tics,
but I've never seen them do that. They also tend to copycat behavior,
so if they are around people who do something like that a lot, they might
start doing something like that. Maybe that's what happened to Elon.
Why would he be around people who do something like that a lot?

I started with: "He had enough time now to explain that,
and say how awful he thinks it is, that he was misunderstood."
Why do you feel the need to defend him, if he doesn't himself?
By mr_blue at 26,Jan,25 10:37 other posts of mr_blue 
So just because your friends with Asperger's never did it means that it cannot happen then? Also you point out it's copycat behaviour,yeah politicians do it all the time...so who do you think he copied, politicians or a nazi?
Everyone loved Elon when he was for democrats.....
Why am I defending him? I'm not, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy......
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 11:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You cannot even memorize two comments at the same time.
Politicians don't do it at all, your side just does make-believe.
Elon was probably testing the waters, to see if you are ready for it yet.
You are, at least ready to defend it. In time, you will just accept it.
Trump has succeeded normalizing calling people "vermin", talking about
"the enemy within", making fun of imprisoning his enemies, talking about executing them, and making sure you only accept elections if he wins.
And you are ALL doing projection and false hypocrisy claims for him.
It's very sad how much that guy has managed to hack your brains.

Elon never was for anyone besides HIM. He just makes most of his money
selling electric cars. There aren't many MAGA-guys buying electric cars.
Maybe they (you?) will now, now that they (you?) think he's on their (your) side.
It only took 44 billion dollars for buying Twitter and some re-posting of nonsense that he knows you lot like.

There are billionaires funding the Republicans and there are billionaires
funding the democrats. Most of them fund BOTH.
They are not supporting the parties, they are buying support for THEM.
I hope you understand that.

Elon just wants tax-cuts for him and big tax-payer investments in his rockets, and the government to stop spending money on things he considers waste, like your social security, healthcare and education. He doesn't need educated Americans, those are annoying, and he can get his workers cheaper with H-1B Visas.
By mr_blue at 26,Jan,25 11:55 other posts of mr_blue 
ask me a question and I will give you an answer to a question, I'm not going to try and see something in your comments that isn't there and you say I misunderstood,and look at who is buying the legacy media crap.
What side do you think am I on? I actually think musk is an idiot.
American politics is bipartisan....so you have to pick a side... Democrats loved musk for electric cars,now look at how they treat him because he owns part of twitter...

Most Americans I know are "issues" people,and have voted for both parties and don't blindly follow a party...
I am not projecting anything, I'm not virtual signalling.
And I understand how lobbying works...
Maga people own the shares of Tesla,so they don't care who buys the cars ,they are proponents of free trade...
By phart at 26,Jan,25 13:03 other posts of phart 
thanks for trying to explain some of this. sometimes it just gets to be exhausting trying to get people to see the hypocrisy. Democrats don't like Elon because his cars are not built by union labor. they don't need a union, they are paid according to their worth and do well. the tax breaks for electric cars, were not even allowed on tesla's. But yet the democrats whined about the affect of the chinese electric cars on the economy. again, that hypocrisy in action. the cheap electric cars would be on the market and affordable, accomplishing the supposed goals of the democrat.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 11:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Really? You think Democrats don't like Elon because his cars are not built by union labor? He has never done that, so what has CHANGED?

How about this idea; Democrats don't like Elon, because he specifically bought X to turn it into a conspiracy theorist's wet dream (the owner repeating your BS to 214,700,000 users), because he paid peoples $47 to register and did a
$1 million-a-day lottery that (almost) only ended up at Republican voters,
and because a private multi-billionaire who receives investments from the government will be getting power over the governments finances.

You hate George Soros with a passion, but while Elon Musk's corruption is much more clear and grotesque, you are unable to understand the other side. That's hypocrisy.


By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 14:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, I will ask you some questions, but I hope you see I'm just commenting
on what you are saying and I'm not assuming anything.

"American politics is bipartisan....so you have to pick a side."
No, you don't have to pick a side, and you certainly don't have to defend a site.

"don't blindly follow a party..." I'm sorry, but you are, if you think you are obligated to defend Elon Musk in any way. Elon isn't entitled to be treated well by Democrats, and especially not by "tree-hugging socialists" like me. I give Elon credit for making electric cars cool, which is probably a good step towards SOME reduction of CO2, and stimulating innovations in battery technology, which is more important, but I've always understood that he's only slightly different than all other billionaires; they are all only in it for themselves.
The working class is just livestock to them. Some think it's important to keep
the livestock happy, others just exploit the livestock as much as they can
get away with. They are like consumers making a choice between eggs from battery cages and free range eggs. It's up to you if you want to be a chicken, for the wealthy, laying their golden eggs and only getting some corn in return.
I don't want to be such a chicken, that's why I'm a socialist.
Here is a question: I'm sure you are told many horrible things about socialists. Are you going to assume what I am and tell me what you think I believe in, now?

Are you going to make assumptions of me? I will answer questions too,
unless they are loaded with false assumptions. Then I will need to first
address those false assumptions.

If you allow yourself to be pushed to a side, you'll loose your independent thinking. That's what happened to you, by thinking you needed to pick a side.

MAGA people are supporting tariffs, they are NOT proponents of free trade.
I'm actually principally neutral on tariffs. They can be very useful if implemented specifically and strategically. That's not what Trump is doing, he is doing general tariffs, for reasons that have no relation with international trade, whatsoever. He's just trying to slap around with them, to make countries
bow to him. He tried that before. Did you think it resulted in anything positive then? What do you think it will result in now?









By quint at 24,Jan,25 18:58 other posts of quint 
I find it odd that you even feel that you need to defend this man.. despite what he's doing with his arm.. just look at the expression on his face. It has Hitler written all over it!
That's exactly what it was.
By phart at 24,Jan,25 19:41 other posts of phart 
Well the truth is, most are just jealous of him. It is known fact that folks with his issues can indeed be very smart ,but have issues.
What gets me is you folks think that a man in his position, that makes investments in country's all over the world, would risk his name ,reputation, and fortune, doing a nazi salute on purpose. What the hell would he gain from it? the support of a few skin heads hunkered down in a old barn in georgia with a couple 1950's hand grenades and 3d printed ak-47s?
If joe biden had done this with his arm while gritting his false teeth you folks would be furious if someone called him a nazi.
By quint at 24,Jan,25 20:05 other posts of quint 
the emphasis was more on your reactionary need to go defensive on everything.. but anyway.. the world was watching and knew what it meant. I personally would be appalled if Biden did it too, but then I'm not one of "you folks" either.. it's funny how you lump anyone who disagrees with you into the same barrel.
By phart at 25,Jan,25 02:44 other posts of phart 
for the sake of discussion it is easier to bundle.
Can you imagine trying to discuss a topic and keep each sub group separated?
By quint at 25,Jan,25 11:34 other posts of quint 
well I guess you have to do whatever's easiest for your capacity, and "you're either with me or you're against me" is about as simple as it gets.



By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 01:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The truth is that your side MUST defend everyone belonging to your side,
whatever they did, at whatever the cost.

I don't do that. I defend "my side" to obvious made up nonsense,
and to your side's fake hypocrisy outrage.
If "my side" does something I don't agree with, I say so. That's not the got-you
you think it is, because your side is always worse on that specific thing.

I could think of one good reason for why he did it; he's attached himself to Trump! Everyone who ever did that squandered their name, reputation and fortune.
It seems to be the effect Trump has on people. The list is very long.

By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Feb,25 22:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Self-professed Nazi Nick Fuentes knows exactly what Elon Musk did.



Democratic voters did not defend Biden for messing up his debate,
they wanted him to step down and finally got their wish.
Democrats are NOT like you, they DON'T defend the indefensible.






By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,25 08:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump ordered The US Army Corps of Engineers to open two dams in Central California and let roughly 2.2 billion gallons of water flow out of reservoirs, in a misguided intent to send water to fire-ravaged Southern California.

Water shortage was NOT the problem, NOT the cause for the wildfires, NOT helpful
in any way to fight the fires at all.

There was ENOUGH open water for the firefighting aircraft, they just couldn't fly,
because of the WIND gusts of 100 mph.

That released water did NOT flow to Los Angeles, and it is wasted. They were holding extra water in those reservoirs because of the risk that it would be a dry summer.
Wasting it puts agriculture at risk of insufficient water during the summer months.

Trump going after the immigrants in California has left as much as 70% of oranges
still on California trees, which now may have been destroyed by record cold.
That's damage worth around $1.1 Billion. Oranges and all orange products will be
more expansive now. Farmers will probably need financial aid to not go bankrupt.

If California gets a dry summer, the 2.2 billion gallons less water in the reservoirs
will affect their income more and RAISE YOUR FOOD PRICES AGAIN.
By mr_blue at 06,Feb,25 06:28 other posts of mr_blue 
Of course water shortage is the problem....you just said Trump let the water go and it's now an issue for agriculture....
The water is wasted all over California....but it's an issue when Trump does something.
Newsome was very proud of the fact he keep the reservoirs dry to protect a fish....

As for the immigration, imagine a politician actually doing what he said he would, that's why people voted for him..
So clearly the democrats want slave labour more than republicans..
And do you really need an orange in the grand scheme of things?why monocrop if this situation is a possibility?
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,25 16:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In hot states like California, water shortage is always a problem.
Are you just parroting right-wing media about that protecting fish story
or did you bother to inform yourself about it?

Trump promised to deport criminal illegals, which to me is the most reasonable thing any president can do. However, he's now deporting people who are hard-working people who never did any crimes, except for being undocumented, while often even paying taxes, and working for your farms and meat-packing plants. Is that just THEIR crime, or are those employers part of the problem? Trump is also ripping apart families, to deport people who have been in your country for years or decades and are in the process of legalization. Do you agree with that? Do you think that's "common sense"?

Democrats have been trying to give those workers working permits and rights, so they would NOT be slave labour. Republicans have refused to legalize those workers for year, because illegals can be exploited much more, which is what their base of farmers want and their donors who exploit those illegals are asking for. Instead of solving a problem, they are now being stupid about it.

It's not JUST the oranges and it's not a monocrop either. It's just the FIRST of many agricultural products that will be affected, because oranges were in harvest season NOW.
It will soon be followed by almonds, cotton and other citrus fruit. Then everything else.
IT'S FEBRUARY! How can you think it's JUST oranges? Do I have to explain everything
to you lot? You're not the smartest bunch, are you?

Trump is just acting tough, because he lied to dumb-asses like you, that illegals and transgenders are the root of all your problems. That's nonsense, the root of all problems in your country is greedy asshole billionaires like Trump, who exploit your ass, just as much as those illegals. And you handed over your government to those robber barons.
Elon Musk is fucking YOU over, to become the first trillionaire. Do you like that?
By mr_blue at 06,Feb,25 18:10 other posts of mr_blue 
Always amazes me how you can go to the name calling, where's the tolerance of different views that liberals always go on about?
California is a democratic state through and through, everything is run by them,so the issues in California are all self inflicted.
They want cheap labour, republicans have been talking about Americans first for ages now ,how simple can they make it for people to understand?
And agriculture in California depends on the bees just as much the water.
And just so you know I'm from the UK.....
So spare me your self righteous virtue signalling on a sex site a few hundred people use....

By CAT52! at 06,Feb,25 23:30 other posts of CAT52! 
Mr Blue, you might be one of the members that keeps a civil tongue in these discussions, but, the conservatives on site use name calling as well as any other member.
Those water reservoirs in California were man-made to prevent water shortages during the dry season and prevent flooding during the wet season. Dumping that water was not the right thing to do.
My bitch is that this president does not listen to good advice nor does he surround himself with knowledgeable advisors.
Oh, BTW, bees are needed for maximum pollination at all times everywhere farming of fruits and vegetables are farmed. What does wasting water with plant pollination have to do with each other is beyond me, but, I don't understand my president either.
--------------------------------------- added after 3 minutes

Being a blue or red state has little to do with acts of Gor, but, I rather live in a flourishing state like California than a failed state like Alabama. Red/ blue, blue/red? How about Americans for Americans?
By Cody8789 at 09,Feb,25 00:01 other posts of Cody8789 
I wouldn’t want to live in California, too many Mexicans to many gangs, to many Mexicans, too much drugs, too many Mexicans I only like one Mexican and he lives in texas
By CAT52! at 09,Feb,25 18:09 other posts of CAT52! 
And, yet, you live in South Florida.



By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,25 09:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'll give you the comment about name calling. I did call you a dumb-ass for believing, that illegals and transgenders are the root of all the problems.
You have not called me a dumb-ass, so I apologize for that to YOU.
Maybe you also don't think that, which makes it straw-manning. Sorry!

Will you apologize for calling me "self righteous"?
Or do you agree that some level of character or intelligence attack is standard here.

You can complain about being called a dumb-ass, or you can show you're not.
Am I correct that Trump is making illegals and transgenders the top issue?
Do you believe, that illegals and transgenders are the root of all the problems?
If so, how are illegals and transgenders the root of all the problems?
If you don't think so, then what is the root cause of problems in the US (or the world)?

Did you think you were SMART to think the problem is only oranges? Is it?
Have you now informed yourself about the fish/water dilemma? What's the issue?

Many of the other defenders of right-wing policies use at least a tenfold of name calling towards me. Did you ever notice? I've never seen you call out anyone else on that.

What issues in California are you referring to? It's the largest economy in the US.
Do you think "more water" would have prevented or helped put out the wildfires?
That's just Trump being stupid or Trump thinking people are stupid.
His thinking is not more advanced than: "Fire! Need water!" That's caveman thinking.

At least you now recognize that the problem with illegals is not created by just those illegals, but primarily by EMPLOYERS exploiting them for cheap labor.
WHICH PARTY is against legalizing immigrants and raising the minimum wage?
Can legal migrant workers be "slave labor", when the minimum wage is $16/hour?

California is no different than any other state with agriculture.
The agriculture in every state is heavily leaning on illegal workers.
Allow California to issue working permits and they would do it.

"Americans first" is just a slogan. Everything they do results in the opposite.

Yes, bees are very important. Who is reversing pesticides regulation?
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Why are you defending Republicans or Trump, if you're from the UK?
How is what he does helping you? Can't you see the damage he's doing?

Why do you call what I do "self righteous virtue signalling"?
What motivation do you think I have, to voice my opinions?
Why I am the only one doing it and not all those other people voicing their opinions?
Or is that you recognizing that there is no "virtue" in anything they are saying?

The term "virtue signaling" is normally used for public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate your good character, while behaving, engaging with people and the world around you, in contradictory manner.
You don't know me, so how do you know if I'm behaving, engaging with people
and the world around me, in contradictory manner.

I am actually supporting my left-wing opinions in real life. I'm an active member of a left-wing political party, that represents the opinions that I "virtue signal" here.
I go out to promote the policies of that political party. I help the party in being active in the community. We help people who are suffering from right-wing policies, like the ones that massively increased their rent and energy bill, made them live in drafty, moldy houses, because rent corporations are fucking them over. I'm joining protests against our increasing healthcare costs, because our right-wing parties privatized healthcare.
I join protests for equality and human rights; the virtues that I "signal".

How do you think politics in the UK can improve the lives of British people?
How are you helping them represent/support those goals?
Do YOU do anything else than post on a sex site a few hundred people use?
By mr_blue at 07,Feb,25 12:55 other posts of mr_blue 
You are virtue signalling...you try to make out you are superior to everyone else who has a different view point...and as I don't know you ,what you say online can be different to your actual character ,so your words show you for who you are....and you are trying to act virtuous
So you just keeping adding whataboutism..
And you are so partisan,it reeks through you and you don't believe your views are wrong....
That hubris is a fools errand
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,25 13:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Try to support your different view point for once, so you don't make me look superior.

Point out a few of my whataboutisms then. Then I'll provide better arguments.
Do you think the "to protect a fish" argument isn't whataboutism?

I am the opposite of partisan. I'm principled! Do you know the difference?
I couldn't care less about which party supported my principles.
If another party represented my principles better than the one I'm a member of now,
I would immediately switch to the other. I'm not loyal to a party or a specific politician, because they should be REPRESENTATIVES. I don't represent a person.

It's just the Republicans who are acting against all of my principles 99% of the time and the Democrats who only act against 50% of my principles 50% of the time.
I only support Democrats as the lesser of two evils.
There are some really 'good' Democrats, I have never seen one 'good' Republican.

You're now ONLY doing character attacks, by the way.
None of your arguments are addressing my actual arguments.
Just because you're not using name calling, doesn't make you a respectful debater.
By mr_blue at 07,Feb,25 16:06 other posts of mr_blue 
I pointed out that I think you are virtual signalling,how is that an attack ,it's an observation....you twist language to try and belittle people who think different.
Why are you so bothered by Trump and American politics and who American voters decided to instill as their leader?
You talk like you can influence American policy lol,you state you are left leaning,so you are partisan,you call anyone who votes for trump stupid and dumbasses and then expect to able to convince them that you might have some merit to any arguments you propose.
Why should I be respectful to you when you demonstrate contempt to people expressing opposing views?
You think I am being disrespectful, I'm tickling your belly...
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,25 11:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Virtue signaling" is advertising yourself as valuing virtues that you in fact couldn't care about at all. Care to elaborate on which specific virtues that I seem to advertise you think I don't actually value?

Twisting language? Are you referring to fallacies? Point them out, if you can.

If you think I'm the only one belittling people who thing differently here, you have a massive bias. Look around a bit more.

I am so concerned about American politics and Trump being elected, because this is now the second time that Trump is trying to destroy democracy. He is turning the US in an autocracy. He has fired everyone who worked on criminal investigations into his crimes, he has replaced the head of the FBI with a loyalist who is out for revenge, he has disbanded the Anti-Corruption Task Forces and Elon Musk who broke several campaign finance laws to help Trump win. That same Elon Musk is not an elected representative, but he has unconstitutionally gained access to the treasury, where he has some of his wiz-kids hack in to the government finances and the citizens private information. The fact that the Security Agencies haven't arrested them yet, is evidence that Trump has already performed a successful coup of the US Government. Trump might have won democratically, but what he's doing is the opposite of democracy. The American voters decided to install Trump as their leader, based on many many lies. Project 2025 had 5% support of the American voters, but Trump lied that he had nothing to do with it. We are now seeing it in full action, proving that Project 2025 was ready to seize control on day one. Meanwhile, Trump is distracting the global media with threats against Mexico, Canada, Panama, Greenland, Denmark, Gaza, and my country for being a host to The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague.

Trump is literally copying exactly the playbook of Hitler of taking over the German government; firing everyone who has some power to hold him accountable for breaking every Constitutional law that protects democracy, taking over the Security Agencies, breaking all the government agencies that are designed to organize the government and protect people from companies financially defrauding them or polluting their land, air and water. Trump is canceling or violating all International Treaties and Agreements. He said he was an anti-war president and he's demanding the Nobel Peace Prize, while he is planning ethnic cleansing of Gaza, while saying he's not ruling out military force against Mexico, Canada, Panama and Greenland. Additionally, Trump professes love for Putin, Kim Jong-un and other authoritarians, while scolding the leaders of allied countries, threatening to step out of NATO and let Russia roll over Ukraine, saying he would encourage Russia to
‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country, that doesn’t pay enough, after those allies have supported America in their wars for decades.
Are you fucking kidding me, that I don't get to talk about that? Why aren't YOU?

I did not call anyone who votes for trump stupid and dumb-asses, I called people (like you) who believe that immigrants and transgenders are the root of all their problems, dumb-asses. You have not denied believing that, by the way. Do you even see the similarity with how Hitler blamed the Jews for all the problems affecting Germans, in the 1930's?

Sure, it's good strategy to attack the messenger, or the language, or claiming their arguments are erroneous. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)
Will you be able to justify those claims and present counterarguments,
at some point?

Of course I cannot influence American policy. Do you think that's why I'm here? This is a primarily a sex site and I never imagined to find discussions on politics here. I just found it and got triggered by what people were saying. Why should a lefty have more reasons to post his opinions than all the right-wingers here?

You called me out for being disrespectful first. I'm just pointing out that there are more ways to be disrespectful than name calling. Name calling is the most primitive form of disrespect, although some here elevate it to a true art-form, but being a minority in a certain echo-chamber is not a requirement for being respectful.
It might be good strategy, but sometimes being the bull in the China shop works well too. This site mostly has a strong right-wing majority, and anyone expressing opposing views is attacked with more contempt than I've ever witnessed before.
If you have not been attacked by the majority yet, that just means you are accepted as on their side. It's a safe side, because right-wingers usually don't call out someone on their side, no matter how far they step over the line. They do like pointing out the slightest transgression on the other side though, like you are doing.
By mr_blue at 08,Feb,25 12:10 other posts of mr_blue 
damn dude ,take it all to heart and see what you want to see...you can't see the wood for the trees....
Virtue signalling,look where you are posting,and the academic vernacular you use,you may be intelligent,but you lack communication skills... you're not looking for understanding...only to push your ideology on to people..
That's not tolerance...and you see things black and white when things are always nuanced.... people do bad things for good reasons and good things for bad reasons...
Trying to think all Trump voters agree with everything he does is ridiculous too..and if you are triggered by things and feel the need to reply,you have to accept what comes your way.... that's the nature of expressing what you believe to be correct...
Where did I say anything about illegals and transgenders and what my beliefs are?
You assume so much from what little I have actually said...

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,25 12:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Really? This is all you have to say about what Trump is doing?
Is there any nuance in what Trump is doing?
What ideology am I pushing, when I'm warning about something unprecedented?

I don't care if all Trump voters agree or not, I don't see any of them RESIST.
I don't know if any are going to resist him EVER. Are you OK with that?
What does Trump need to do, before you get worried?

You didn't say anything about illegals and transgenders, except that I cannot call people stupid for believing Trump on those issues. Apparently, you think Trump has a point then. Am I assuming wrong?
By mr_blue at 08,Feb,25 13:45 other posts of mr_blue 
you're doing it again.....what makes you think people believe everything Trump says?maybe they trust the science, and that informs their view....I already told you American politics is partisan and you went all round the houses to say it's not ,only to show that it is ,cuz you continually miss the point..one side or the other makes you for or against...so that is partisan...
You lump all Trump supporters together, reinforcing that partisanship...
You don't like trump and what he stands for.... that's your right, what I am trying to tell you is that , people know why they voted for him and are happy in that choice and you seem to think that all Trump voters are transphobic and hate illegals..when that's not the case...
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,25 15:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What he is DOING!!!!
Do you know anything about what he's doing?

What he stands for is indeed horrible, but he is committing a coup
of the US government! That's not a partisan idea, that is reality.
Do you care about democracy, at all?

I don't think that ALL Trump voters are transphobic and hate illegals,
but they certainly don't seem to give a crap about what Trump is DOING.
Or they think it's great what he's doing, because they believe his lies.

Before you start straw-manning me saying illegals are not a problem.
They are a problem, but THIS is not the solution.
Trump plans to send 30,000 migrants to Guantanamo Bay.
Do I need to tell you what's wrong about it, or do you understand
something about human rights and The Constitution?

Is it partisan to expect a president to preserve, protect and defend
The Constitution? He just swore to do so!

What point am I missing here?
By mr_blue at 08,Feb,25 16:30 other posts of mr_blue 
and how much do you think Trump will actually be able to do when the government gets taken to court? If Trump gets rid of anything or any department by executive order it can be put back by executive order....
He has to use laws passed by Congress to abolish or amend previous laws ...so legal framework is already there to challenge Trump... Executive branch, legislative branch and the judiciary... What do I know about Trump,quite a bit,do I know what he doing,yeah...you keep telling us....
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,25 17:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump is replacing all 17 independent watchdogs at multiple agencies with loyalists. If there is no one left who has the power or the INTENT to take
the government to court, it doesn't happen.

You are counting on a next administration, to put things back by executive order. There won't be a next administration, because he's destroying all independent agencies who oversee elections. Why don't you find out how many American voters were purged from the voting registration. It's millions! When Trump installs all his loyalists to handle elections, it will be tens of millions. Then Democrats can never win an election ever again. CLEAR?

Trump has to use laws passed by Congress to cut or change spending too,
but he has just let Elon take over the treasury. Now he can cut all spending for elections, for election observers and polling stations. He can simply cut funds for voting in blue states, and leave voting intact in red states.
Did you not hear about all the things he cut already?
No bill was initiated or passed to do that. ZERO!!!

Trump can just destroy an agency or a specific part of a branch, by withholding the governments workers' pay. Do you think they'll work for free?
The US government is completely vulnerable to dirty tricks. To someone who doesn't give a fuck about norms or laws or The Constitution, destroying those protections you think are in place, is easy. Democrats have never even thought about the things Trump is doing now. However, many Republicans were willing to help Trump completely destroy the government.

Trump made fun of being a dictator on day one. It wasn't a joke!
Why didn't you actually LISTEN to what he said? It wasn't all bluster.

Ever considered how ridiculous it is that the whole world need to guess
if what the president of the most powerful country in the world is saying
is serious, or bluffing, or just a joke? Am I being partisan in thinking that's
NOT NORMAL?

The Executive branch, legislative branch and judiciary branch need to be INTACT and INDEPENDENT to do something. If all the key positions are replaced with loyalists, which he has mostly done already, there IS NO separations of powers anymore. The supreme court is completely partisan in his favor, he is now mostly immune from the law, and he intents to use that.
If everyone who should hold him accountable for breaking the law agrees with him braking the law, then he can just break the law. And he IS breaking the law NOW. Did you know all of that?
By mr_blue at 08,Feb,25 19:50 other posts of mr_blue 
Do you think that I am a trump supporter,or Elon fan?

You still don't see...
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,25 23:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're pretty much a mystery to me, because you hardly say anything
that reveals your political opinions. I try to unravel the tiniest details.

If you think there is something to the California "keep the reservoirs dry
to protect a fish" story, I put you closer to Republicans than Democrats.


















By bella! at 07,Feb,25 08:55 other posts of bella! 
Sweden has a plan to offer immigrants up to 350,000 kronor, which is equivalent to approximately $34,000.00 USD, to return to their home country.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,25 09:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
My country does too, although not that large a sum.

Translation: "The Netherlands is opening its wallet to allow Syrians to return voluntarily, according to a report from the Return and Departure Service (DTenV). It involves 900 Euros for which Syrians are asked to return permanently to their country of origin."

900 Euro = $ 935.69 Some Syrians have already taken the offer.
By bella! at 07,Feb,25 10:15 other posts of bella! 
Interesting. Basically, "Go back to where you came from!" and we will pay "you" too, approach.

And in the United States, there were designated sanctuary cities which provided immigrants lodging in comfortable hotels.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,25 12:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If they take 900 Euro to go back where they came from, and not come back,
it's probably not that bad there, to be considered a refugee, now is it?

If you're a gay person, fearing the wrath of Muslim extremists, would you take it?
If your village is taken over by a drugs cartel, that killed one of your kids already,
and you fear for your other kids, would you take it? Would you take $34,000?

I want to shelter real refugees comfortably too. Not hotels, that's stupid, it's just enriching the owners. That's just incompetence to provide an acceptable cost effective solution. The same incompetence is wasting lots of money in my country. My party has been fighting to change that for years. It's the result of stupid budget cuts from previous administrations, now costing us way more. They also cut immigration service, resulting in the process sometimes taking years. It's not good for anyone. It puts the life on pause for real refugees, it gives hope to people who have no right to asylum in my country, asylum seekers are sitting around and walking around aimlessly in our cities, and it
all costs MUCH MORE MONEY.

I'm Dutch, we really dislike inefficiency. I even made a career around it.

I want real refugees to be able to be part of my community ASAP.
Sitting in a shelter serves no one. I want to invest in their future, to become citizens.
However, I live in one of the smallest, most densely populated countries in the world,
so we cannot take in every real refugee. You don't have that problem.

I am also a big supporter of international cooperation, to reduce poverty, exploitation and disrespect for human rights in the world, so less people will have to flee their country.
If the world didn't suck so much everywhere else, you wouldn't have sanctuary cities.

That's why "America First" is the opposite of what Trump is doing.
He's working hard to make everywhere else suck even worse.
Anything bad you do to everywhere else, only comes back to bite you.
By phart at 07,Feb,25 15:19 other posts of phart 
what can a refugee bring to your country or mine that we don't already have plenty of? and if they are so smart or so brave or so whatever,why not use that talent to save their own homeland instead of running?
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,25 16:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are people. Yes, we already have plenty of people. That's not the point.
They are also not special or so smart or so brave or so whatever, they are just people.

You keep confusing two different groups; refugees and working migrants.
I have very different opinions on those different groups.

REFUGEES:
People who are fleeing their homeland to save their lives.
I don't care what refugees are bringing to my country. Their lives itself have value.
If we can accept them, the question is only if their homeland is probably permanently a high risk to their lives or just temporary. If there is a war going on, I only want to provide save harbor for them, until the war is over. Then they should return to rebuild their country. If they are persecuted unjustly, by a regime that is likely there to stay, they should be able to build a permanent life, in my country, in agreement with other countries taking their responsibility. Lately, my country has not been living up to our responsibility much.

If they have the ability to save their own homeland, instead of running, then they are not refugees. Do you think a gay person, fleeing their own homeland for Islamist persecution, has even the slightest semblance of saving their homeland?
Do you think a mother fleeing with her children from Ukraine has any chance to fight back against Russia. Her husband is probably already sacrificing his life for his country. Do those children need to be orphans?

I'm not talking about generally shitty countries. If it's basically safe there, they are not actively persecuted for what they are, and there is a chance of making a life for themselves, you're correct that they have a obligation to their homeland. If all able people of working age leave countries with a poor economy, those economies will never grow.

WORKING MIGRANTS:
People who are looking for jobs, because their own country doesn't have them.
I do care what those people are bringing. They should add something to our economy that our own people cannot provide. That should NOT be cheap labor. If there are enough of my own people willing to do those jobs, they should not be undercut on wages. Every job in my country should earn a living wage, by Dutch standards, living in decent housing, protected by worker rights, no matter if it's done by a Dutch citizen or a foreigner. I don't make a difference between a fruit-picker or a top programmer either. On principle, their employment should be temporary and they should keep in contact with their own country, to take on jobs there when they come up. There should only be a maximum of job permits, decided by my government, on what our economy needs. If it's taking jobs away from Dutch people, the number of job permits should be decreased. In any case, there should be ZERO illegal workers. If employers cannot find Dutch or legal migrant workers, either they don't pay enough or the government needs to increase the number of job permits. The basic principle is that those working migrants benefit my country, but also their own. They should make enough money to go back and build something in their own country. If they do work for my country for several years, then we could think about them becoming Dutch citizens, eventually.







By CAT52! at 06,Feb,25 20:56 other posts of CAT52! 
Thanks to my President soon I'll be able to visit the Holly Land without needing a passport. How good is that?
By quint at 06,Feb,25 22:45 other posts of quint 
you can stay at Gaza-lago
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🤣🤣🤣👍🏼


By phart at 07,Feb,25 02:14 other posts of phart 
1 of a couple things i don't agree with Trump on. Sure, clean up gaza,send some dozers and back hoe's and push the blown up shit into the ocean for a larger coast line. but let Isreal handle it from there. Americans over there for any reason,would just be terrorist targets.



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No shit?


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I couldn't find the other thread because there is no search function but at least he has a good job now and can work for a living.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,25 17:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Nice of you to empathize with someone who strangled a person to death.
Normally you are stone cold to people who only committed minor offenses.
By phart at 05,Feb,25 18:28 other posts of phart 
You might want to read up on it.
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neely made threatening moves towards children, but I forget, most folks don't care about kids and prefer to yank them out of the womb with a vacuum cleaner so of course a threat to a mother and children is no concern right?
You should be aware of the violent nature of drug addicts and mentally ill people. Just the other day 1 of our ems workers was BIT on the arm by a drug addict, he is on antibiotics, on paid leave,workers comp,waiting for test to come back to see if he caught anything.a human bite is as bad or worse than a animal as far as bacteria and such.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,25 18:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Fuck off, you support the genocide of children in Gaza.
Trump just defunded child cancer research and trial treatments.
He ended food programs for starving children.
He ended medicine for kids with HIV.
You don't give a fuck about children.

Oh, "threatening moves", scary. He was strangled to death,
while being subdued by several people. He was no threat anymore.
By phart at 05,Feb,25 18:45 other posts of phart 
He did not END the programs, they are paused for review. Big difference.
How much money was going to the kids with hiv and how much was going into the bureaucrats pockets that run the operation? that is what they are looking for.

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Read PAUSES.
After feb 10, the investigation will take place to see who is wasting money and where it is going.
YOu should know as well as anyone that money handed out does not always go where it is intended.what better place to shield fraud than under the gize of the childrens health, "oh who would do something against the kids"? well it's not against the kids, it is against the punk crooks running the show and putting funds in their pockets.
By Cody8789 at 05,Feb,25 19:39 other posts of Cody8789 
Let me ask a question. If trump is not going to stop hiv meds to the kids then why did he want all hiv meds to stop being made in the u.s… which is now on standby because of too much pressure from a lot of people.

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,25 16:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Like you believe that anything like that will resume. Cut the crap.

Elon is looting your treasury. He is now in power of 6 TRILLLION DOLLARS.
He's doesn't give a fuck about "efficiency", he is stealing your tax-dollars.
He defines "waste" as every dollar that is not going to him.

And he is breaking every law imaginable. A billionaire donor to your president doesn't have any authority to cut or re-assign spending, neither can your president. Only congress can do that. The house initiates a spending bill and if both the house and senate vote in favor, the spending is re-assigned accordingly. Elon Musk has illegally acquired access to your governments finances, he has illegally meddled in those finances, he has illegally acquired access to highly restricted data (like all the people's private information and tax-records) and while doing it using a bunch of hacker kids
he has most likely breached the security of your government finances for China, Russia, North Korea and every criminal hacker in the world, to steal your private information and your tax-dollars.

The numbers of laws that Elon has just broken will probably add up to many decades of prison time. In the meantime, he incriminated a bunch of hacker wiz-kids, who are probably very good at hacking, but don't know the least about the law. Ignorance is never a defense for doing crime, but he's probably ruined their lives, when they were just trying to make a career for themselves.







By Mongo at 05,Feb,25 21:32 other posts of Mongo 
Mongo mama put ICE on Diabetos crotch to keep crabs fresh. Diabetos scared deported back to Argentina.
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By phart at 05,Feb,25 18:40 other posts of phart 
If you have ever been around when a house was being renovated or rebuilt after a fire, it looks horriable, what was once a nice new home, is now stripped down to it's rafters and it's floor joist. Then slowly, a new roof appears,new insolation, and before you know it, the house is better than it was when it was new, more insolation to make it cheaper to heat and cool and make it quite also, better longer lasting roofing materials, better plumbing without the lead in the pipes,and so much more.

That same effect is happening with the USA right now, the old roof is being pulled off, the old wall board is coming down, and we are finding wasteful leaks and costly damage hidden behind every removed part. After some time, things will get better as it is rebuilt. the damage to this country can't be fixed over night. it requires people with knowledge to dig in and find how expenses are hidden from view,that could be done away with.
To the doubters, just give it time, it will make sense. Just as the tariffs were made out to be the worse thing to happen this century, within in hours of writing it down that it would happen, 2 of the 3 countries decided to play ball and they were postponed and perhaps will never happen if these countries continue to play ball.


By phart at 04,Feb,25 15:56 other posts of phart 
Um, seems united healthcare is more concerned about the truth getting out than they are about patient care.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,25 08:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's a business first! Patient care is way down on their priorities list.



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Just an idea, about Elon Musk
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By phart at 30,Jan,25 13:40 other posts of phart 
Am I the only 1 that is watching the video of the helicopter flying into the passenger plane thinking it appears to be done on purpose?
am listening now to a pilot saying radar indicated the helicopter was flying north south and drifted towards the plane? um
By bella! at 30,Jan,25 14:22 other posts of bella! 
Are you speaking about the American Airlines passenger jet and the Army Black Hawk helicopter collision?

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By phart at 30,Jan,25 16:18 other posts of phart 
Yes,
I was listening to a pilot talking about a radar scan that was not public at the time he was speaking and he said the helicopter was going in a north south direction then just started drifting towards the airplane that was flying west to east. Kinda odd. I hope the truth can be determined.

Trump is speaking now and is questioning the motion of the helicopter, so i am not the only 1 that is afraid there is a bigger picture than just a plane crash.
By dgraff at 30,Jan,25 21:18 other posts of dgraff 
The truth will come out every plane ✈️ crash is investigated heavily it might take years but it will be solved I’ve been watching mayday air plane crashes and I can’t believe the negligence involved between the air traffic control the pilots and the up keep and part’s on the plane you will never get me up in a plane again
By phart at 31,Jan,25 01:49 other posts of phart 
well they have already said they had 1 controller doing helicopters and airplanes at the same time, which is normally done by 2. The helicopter was at 400 feet,and was supposed to be at 200 feet..
So 2 big screw ups already. I still think from the video even though it is small and not very clear,it looks like the helicopter flew towards the plane and hit it dead center,seemingly on purpose. 1 helicopter pilot comparred the black hawk to a Porche car as far as manuverablity. he said they would have been able to correct course easy and quickly . The plane had to be visable,it was right in front of them.
By dgraff at 31,Jan,25 04:09 other posts of dgraff 
Just the fact that the helicopter 🚁 was at 400 feet and should have been at 200 feet is a big problem
By SV1952 at 31,Jan,25 17:40 other posts of SV1952 
I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught that the helicopter pilot was at the wrong altitude!



By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 06:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
To my surprise, you said something I agree with. It's possible that a pilot went nuts and did a murder suicide, it's possible that it was gross negligence, it's possible that it was a mistake based on human factors like fatigue or distraction, and it's possible that it was just a fluke accident, where all involved participants were handling in the way they should, but unforeseen circumstances let to a sequence of events, ending in disaster.
I would not come to any conclusion, but just await the results of the investigation.

The Dirty Dozen of Human Factors: 12 Causes of Incidents
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The first instincts of your 'news' outlets is to sensationalize things like this, to get eyeballs on the screen. Fear and outrage create ratings. It's why I prefer publicly funded news coverage. Journalists should have only one goal; objectively informing the public. When you turn 'news' into a big business, objectivity goes out of the window.
By Cody8789 at 31,Jan,25 09:11 other posts of Cody8789 
The helicopter pilot was on a training mission and was new, the tower told the helicopter to pass the plane from behind, what happened was the helicopter pilot saw the wrong plane, the one that was taking off and thought that was the plane in question and did not see the other plane coming in for a landing. Both the plane and the helicopter get warning signals when another plane is near them and the helicopter pilot thought the warning was coming from the plane which was taking off. It will come out in thirty days, I have three friends that are air traffic controllers, one is a supervisor which bowls on my league and he made his own conclusion from his own experience in aviation.
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And I am very sickened by the deaths of those people that were killed and can’t get it out of my head, I’ve been thinking about it all day, I don’t understand death if anyone understands what I’m saying. It really bothers me a lot to see something like that happen.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 09:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sounds plausible.

How much does it bother you when people try to forward political points
over their deaths?
By Cody8789 at 31,Jan,25 09:54 other posts of Cody8789 
Let me explain, jokes are made, they make them into politics. What bothers me is the death of a human being, I don’t understand death and I’m terrified of death to myself or someone else even though I don’t know them. I can’t explain it in words, death scares me
By dgraff at 31,Jan,25 11:40 other posts of dgraff 
Death used to scare me too but after awhile I come to realize it’s a natural part of life and it don’t bother me so much anymore I’m a firm believer that you don’t die until you’re number is called and everybody dies for a reason that only God knows
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 16:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I hear this reason for not fearing death, from people a lot.
It sounds so depressingly powerless, like nothing we do matters.
Personally, I like to believe that every single decision I make matters.
I understand that bad luck is a thing, and it might be a big factor in a
premature death, but besides that, I think my decisions play a big part
in my life expectancy and my health leading up to my final moments.

What do you believe about you’re number being called?
Don't you have any effect on it, no matter if you're good or bad?
Is that something that god decides or does he (let's keep his pronouns at he/him, because obviously he has XY-chromosomes and a huge dick-and-balls)
have no control over your death, but he's just aware of it?
If he has control over when you die, what algorithm is he using to determine when you should die?
Would you prefer him to exercise justice or a random number generator?

I understand you say "only God knows", but do you want to believe this
or are you unable to believe anything different?
If you choose to believe it, what reason do you have for that?

Personally, I don't fear death, but dying. If it's too soon, I wouldn't want to have regrets of having missed experiences. FOMO is a bitch for atheists.


By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 15:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Jokes? I'm talking about Trump blaming black people for this.

He talked about the victims for like 2 minutes and then took about 8 minutes
of blaming his pet peeve DEI. That's him saying; black people got hired for a job they were not qualified for, because they were black, and obviously black people are unqualified for everything. He had no information at all, about any black people even being involved, he just assumed it.
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A little reading for you,


"The piece began with the story of Brittany Powers, an honors student from Lewis University who was passed over by the Federal Aviation Administration not because of her qualifications, but because its "biographical assessment" portion of the hiring process included "questions about how peers would describe the individual and the age at which the person started to earn money."

"It’s the result of an abrupt overhaul this year to the FAA’s air traffic controller hiring policy, which for almost 25 years gave preferred status to aviation graduates like Powers as well as former military controllers," the Tribune reported."


By CAT52! at 03,Feb,25 15:10 other posts of CAT52! 
Death is just another step in life. I understand your fear of the unknown. Perhaps you should find help in whatever religion you believe in.

By bella! at 03,Feb,25 15:50 other posts of bella! 
Death is inevitable. Do I think that I will live to see another day? Yes, although that might just be my optimistic thought.

What weighs heavy on me is being single. My uncle was an independent single man and when he passed, he was alone. I it concerns me whether he passed quickly or was there pain and suffering. He wasn't happy that I chose to call him every morning but I explained that the telephone call wasn't because I wanted to "chit-chat", it was to make sure he was awake and welcoming a new day. I'm certain he understood what I meant so he obliged me until that day that he didn't answer.


By phart at 31,Jan,25 13:08 other posts of phart 
how much does it bother you that it seems taboo to try to find out the why while the evidence is still available and not lost to time?
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 15:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You can speculate all you want, but the first thing you were pointing to was that this appears to be done on purpose. That's the most enraging thing possible. Why go to this option, when no one knew anything yet?
By phart at 31,Jan,25 15:37 other posts of phart 
in the past month we have had 2 us military men, 1 active,1 not, commit acts of terror here in the US, why is it not plausible for a third incident to happen? if you watch the videos, the helicopter flew straight into the plane, it was said the plane had NO warning. the helicopter was very maneuverable, and unless they were blind, no reason they could not have made a change in their direction. mighty strange.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 16:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's sad but true, crazy things are happening.
But, if they manage to create fear and distrust of everyone,
they might be getting exactly what they wanted.
By phart at 31,Jan,25 21:27 other posts of phart 
Terrorist like chaos, it is cheap to create and very effective to disrupt the lives of their target population.






By dgraff at 31,Jan,25 11:48 other posts of dgraff 
I’m not sure how it works with a military helicopter involved but I know with jets air traffic control is supposed to keep the planes apart 1000 feet due to air turbulence from the aircraft ahead of it and it gives room for human error i just can’t understand why 2 aircraft’s would be that close in the first place I think we are going to find out that there are several circumstances that combined caused this horrific accident








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The HIDDEN MEANING of the Nazi Salute REVEALED!
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By phart at 02,Feb,25 13:14 other posts of phart 
Medical oxygen tanks are not toys,nor should they be chunked in the garbage.
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WOW< when the video starts, stare at the left side of the screen, it is FAST.
WOW, hard to believe a plane went down THIS fast.sounded as if it was wide open!


By Cody8789 at 31,Jan,25 20:21 other posts of Cody8789 
Did skittles get back from Kansas City yet, I know he was coming back to d.c. soon
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Ah, too early for jokes


By phart at 31,Jan,25 13:05 other posts of phart 
Dei? do you think it is a great idea? well 67 people died a couple days ago and dei could very well have played a part in it.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,25 19:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Staffing Was ‘Not Normal’ at Reagan Airport Tower, According to F.A.A. Report, NYT
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"The report, reviewed by The New York Times, said that one controller was communicating with both helicopters and planes. Those jobs are typically assigned to two people, not one."

"Like most of the country's air traffic control facilities, the tower at Reagan airport has been understaffed for years." "The tower there was nearly a third below targeted staff levels, with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023," it said. "The targets set by the FAA and the controllers’ union call for 30." "The shortage has forced many controllers to work up to six days a week and 10 hours a day"

You cannot expect anyone to do that job for 60 hours/week and not make mistakes.
It's exactly that Dirty Dozen of Human Factors that I pointed to, in this case; Fatigue.
Behind most Human Factors is a systemic problem, which in this case is under-staffing.

Ken Klippenstein posted a letter from an airline pilot on X, see below.
The pilot clearly confirms the staffing problems at air traffic control towers. It's not DEI,
it's airports saving money by skimping on personnel. It's also related to airports operating
of subcontractors, instead of on controllers who are directly provided by the FAA.




By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 13:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Miami man claims wife was detained in one of several Florida ICE raids:
"They snatched her". Other sources claim he is a Trump voter.
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She was in the process of getting her U.S. citizenship, and had a court date set up.
Their 11th anniversary is on Friday.
By phart at 29,Jan,25 13:20 other posts of phart 
Well she was detained. Probably if her paperwork is in order she might come back. if not, um.
Just because a fellow works construction,does not mean he is a saint hasn't commited any crimes. And being here without documentation IS A CRIME.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 15:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Applying for U.S. citizenship IS documentation.
By phart at 29,Jan,25 15:44 other posts of phart 
that's what I mean, perhaps she doesn't have it in her purse 24 7, perhaps it was at home. Perhaps ICE can link into a computer and see that document, either way, post a update on this when you find it.

When you have fly poop in with the black pepper ,it is difficult to sort out.3 illegals among 20 of the same people ,you tell me how you sort it out if you don't detain all until checked?
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 16:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In any case, it's not the drugs-dealing rapists, he was talking about,
but decent hardworking people, he is now deporting.

All the Latinos for Trump are now finding out he DID mean their family.
All the farmers who voted for him are now finding out he DID mean their workers.
And you will find out what an effect it will have on your country.
By phart at 29,Jan,25 16:22 other posts of phart 
well cnn is laying off workers, federal workers are being offered buy outs to leave, there will be plenty of people to pick vegi's. But they won't because they think they are to good for it and would rather starve and whine on face book than work at something "beneath" them.
That is 1 of the points you don't seem to understand.
Immigrants are essentially slaves and we outlawed that years ago.
By dgraff at 29,Jan,25 22:57 other posts of dgraff 
I will pick vegetables for them but they have to pay me under the table cash I’m retired you know
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By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Jan,25 16:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're showing you don't give a second thought to someone who
has his wife or family deported, or the person who is deported
with nothing, or someone who worked their ass off for your food.
They are all just expendable to you.

And now you're doing make believe that deporting them is good,
because those people were treated as slaves. That's true,
ut the alternative for that is treating them better, not worse.
By phart at 30,Jan,25 19:38 other posts of phart 
Do you think that people that marry illegals are totally ignorant to the fact the illegal could be hauled away? It just hasn't been enforced in years is why it is suddenly noticed.
Here is a google search result,


"Agricultural workers: Undocumented immigrants make up a large share of agricultural workers. In 2017, undocumented immigrants made up about 45% of crop farmworkers.
Food preparation and serving workers: Undocumented immigrants make up a significant share of food preparation and serving workers, including school cafeteria attendants and hospital food service workers. "

Now if you read that, you notice SCHOOL cafeteria workers.
Is it not illegal to HIRE a illegal? So what this means is the same schools that are whining about ICE coming in ,are probably the same 1's hiring illegals! The government it's self is hiring them. While paying welfare to AMERICANS.

Now here is a whole big page about it,
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"Though often the focus of illegal immigration debate, farmworkers comprise less than 1
percent of the entire U.S. labor force; and less than 5 percent of all illegal immigrants
work is in that relatively small sector
1% of the work force. wow, that small


By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Jan,25 17:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
These people have an education and skills. They will make themselves useful again.

Those jobs are not "beneath" anyone, they just pay too little to survive on for an American. You have allowed your farmers and meat packing industry to compete away American workers, by exploiting illegal immigrants.
Just how the job of truck driver is not being filled by Dutch people anymore, because they wouldn't be able to pay for rent and food on the hourly wage that Polish people get, you let the jobs of fruit picker and meat cutter be lowered to a level that is only economically feasible for an illegal.

It's how most jobs have deteriorated. A postman could feed his family in the past, now it's a job that doesn't pay the bills for a single guy. That's what capitalism did to the working class. Those jobs still create the same value, but most of that value is just going to the wealthy now.


By phart at 29,Jan,25 18:44 other posts of phart 
Ok bare this in mind.
Google helped
" Yes, if you commit a crime, you are considered a "criminal" because a criminal is defined as someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of one; essentially, the act of committing a crime labels you as a criminal.
Key points to remember:

Legal definition:
In legal terms, "criminal" refers to someone who has been found guilty of a crime by a court of law.

Not just about conviction:
While a conviction is necessary to officially label someone a criminal, the act of committing a crime itself is considered a criminal act.

OK< now how it relates to people coming into the US.

"“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter.Aug 23, 2021

Prosecuting People for Coming to the United States
American Immigration Council
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Ok, so what do YOU read in that statement? I read that if a person comes into this country without going thru proper channels, they are committing a crime. Prove me wrong on that please?
Ok, so that means these "decent, hardworking people are criminals, because of the simple fact they circumvented the border.

Ok< now, let's both burn our credentials and go to Mexico without going thru the proper channels and see what happens?

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"Simply put, illegal immigration is a felony under Mexican law. In fact, Article 123 of the General Law of Population mandates that “a penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five hundred thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.

NOW, do you see any irony here at all or what? We simply try to send them back at OUR exspense to get shed of them and they are FREE to try to make a life for themselves at home. where as if you and i go down there to mexico illegally, we will get to stay for a while, but in JAIL .

What part of all this is so hard to understand?
Oh, let's check quatemala, maybe we can go there for a vacation off the record?

" Yes, entering Guatemala without permission, meaning without the necessary documentation and going through proper immigration channels, is considered a crime and can result in arrest, detention, and potential legal repercussions according to Guatemalan law; you could be subject to fines and possible imprisonment depending on the circumstance
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Jan,25 17:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's a CHOICE whether your country turns something into a crime or not, and what the punishment should be for breaking a law.
8 U.S.C. § 1325 didn't exist before the 1920's and your country has increased the penalties for it.
I understand why, but at least I think about these things, while you just take it for granted that being in a country without the proper documentation should be a crime.
Mexicans have been working in your country for a very long time, doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, and instead of criminalizing it and going after the people who just want to work, you could also legalize and regulate it. Normally, I would also add "tax" (legalize, tax and regulate), but you already did that. Those people pay taxes in your country and get nothing in return.

Your country has exploited those people for a long time and you owe them.
Your side has done NOTHING to improve the situation, but only stirred up hatred
towards these people. I hope you finally learn something, when you find out how much these people did for your country. Don't you understand how this will hurt people like you the most? Those groceries will become much more expensive. Trump knew what he was planning and I'm sure they told him what horrible results
it would have. He just LIED TO YOU and you were dumb enough to believe him.






By phart at 29,Jan,25 16:28 other posts of phart 
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"The 21-year-old was devastated by the failed attempt to enter the U.S., largely because of what it would mean for her and her parents, Indigenous Maya Chalchiteca, who had pulled together $25,000 in loans to pay her smuggler. She said she now has no hope of ever repaying the debt in Guatemala."

Read that and tell me why that is acceptable? Charge someone 25,000 dollars to smuggle them TO the fence and run off leaving them there?
By Cody8789 at 29,Jan,25 20:30 other posts of Cody8789 
If you are in this country illegally then you should be deported. The only exception is,,, the u.s. government stated if you serve in the u.s. military for the appropriate years then you can get citizenship. But some of those people that had military id’s were deported. I disagree with that.
By phart at 29,Jan,25 21:52 other posts of phart 
Cody, we agree on that. if someone is willing to serve in the military to protect our country, then I am all for them having a path to citizen ship.



By phart at 29,Jan,25 23:13 other posts of phart 
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Now this is a democrat saying essentially the same fucking thing as TRUMP is saying.Why NOW is it so wrong?



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By phart at 29,Jan,25 16:24 other posts of phart 
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just think , all these women doing the 4B thing, will have to be happy fucking themselves for longer than 4 years!AI will make alot of the snooty 1's obsolete!
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By phart at 28,Jan,25 21:07 other posts of phart 
Poor fellow had to go get a job.
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When your wife belly flops at election time, you have to actually go to work instead of riding around on your wifes coat tails
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 07:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You made clear you prefer politicians who never have to work a day in their lives.
Do you think those politicians represent you?
By phart at 29,Jan,25 13:17 other posts of phart 
Trump ran business's. he didn't lay around all the time,
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 15:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I wasn't just talking about Trump, but the unprecedented number of robber baron billionaires in his administration. I heard the number is 16 now?

You yourself don't consider what Trump ever did "work".
But I agree he wasn't laying around all the time, he was sitting sometimes.
His businesses were a failure, that's why he never had to pay taxes.
He just kept his father's wealth ongoing, by letting others do the work.
He knew how to get the "best people", like Michael Cohen.
Anything he tried to do himself failed miserably. It was all worth less than the debt
he owed on it. He did make some money by stealing from his contractors though.

Now he's doing phenomenally well though. Since he won the election his wealth increased by 50 billion, purely from all the gifts from the billionaires who want favors from him. Pay to play! Mar-a-lago has been overflowing with these people.
They are buying his crypto-scams to enrich him, then ask him favors.
Even people he is hiring are buying his shit, just to show their loyalty.

In any case, it's not an answer to: Do you think those politicians represent you?
However, since you think the wealthy should get everything, and normal people
should just serve them, you probably do think that they represent you.





By phart at 29,Jan,25 13:21 other posts of phart 
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Get mad at the boss if you want to, but if AI has it's way, you and him may be in the soup line, so work with and for your boss, it may mean a better future for both of you.

And if you are to dumb to understand it, then perhaps AI will guide you to a vacant spot under a bridge after it makes your job obsolete.


By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 11:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump's first day(s) in office, he signed an executive order to indefinitely
suspend research-grant reviews. It stopped funding for cancer research.
Some people's clinical trials were put on hold.

Why was this a priority for Trump? What good does it do?



By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Jan,25 08:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Amid series of rapid-fire policy reversals, Trump quietly withdraws proposed limits on PFAS
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For people who thought appointing RFK Jr. to oversee the Department of Health
and Human Services would result in Trump caring about your health; Nope!


By phart at 27,Jan,25 15:55 other posts of phart 
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Climate change gets the blame all the time. Um,
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Jan,25 15:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Even if every single fire is lit by the mafia, it was still way to warm and dry
for the time of year, due to climate change. It says so in your article.



By bella! at 27,Jan,25 08:52 other posts of bella! 
"Pay extra close attention to the end of this next clip."

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By phart at 27,Jan,25 12:58 other posts of phart 
yep, she spoke the truth



By bella! at 25,Jan,25 12:06 other posts of bella! 
Dave Smith's opinion about the Obamas.

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By phart at 25,Jan,25 13:02 other posts of phart 
he is right.
They appreciate nothing America has given them.they push climate change yet bought property that will be under water if their talk is true. either not smart,or they have been misguiding Americans for years.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Jan,25 12:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Their property will be under water, long after they are dead.
The projected sea level, by 2050, along contiguous U.S. coastlines is 12 inches above today's waterline. Obama is 89 then.

Obama has a net worth of around $70 million. He cannot take it with him into the grave, so he's spending it on a nice coastal home up North, where it's much cooler in the summer and where the risk of hurricanes is the lower, than down South.

It takes at least a century for the oceans to warm up enough and the land ice to melt enough, for any critical sea level rise. The coming decades you 'only' need to worry about record high temperatures making life unbearable in the Southern states, hurricanes reaping more havoc on the South-Eastern coastal states, droughts making agriculture in Southern states impossible or very expensive, alternating with floods
when it finally does rain, and wildfires no matter how much you rake the forests.
All the rich and wealthy people have the resilience to be fine, however you and
all the other working class people do not.

Spend your time on what America has given YOU, instead of pointing out hypocrisy
of a millionaire, while you want the multi-billionaires to control everything.
Obama is fleeing to Martha's Vineyard, which is just a temporary hideout, lasting his life. Trump and Elon are planning hideouts on Greenland and on Mars, for their offspring.
Planning for something they tell you doesn't exist is the real hypocrisy.

They are planning for phase 1, when most of the Earth is a living hell and phase 2, when the Earth is completely cooked. They will need SOME workers or slaves to make Greenland more fertile. I think they plan to use robots to build accommodations on Mars. It's a ridiculous plan though, because humanity could never survive on Mars, without Earth facilitating them. Also, it's a billion times easier to prevent Earth from becoming
as uninhabitable as Mars is, than to make Mars habitable. The Earth would be good
for at least another 1.5 billion years, if we don't fuck it up.




By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Jan,25 08:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Marjorie Taylor Greene is clearly saying that her male colleagues are perverted creeps.



And puritanical Christian Mike Johnson has been covering it all up.
By bella! at 27,Jan,25 08:20 other posts of bella! 
I wanted to read what was written in the image posted however when I clicked on it I received the following message;

"This image is not for public view"
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Jan,25 09:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I should wait until the image is approved by the admin. It is now.

MTG's Tweet is put in light of the investigation into the January 6th Committee.
She was threatening her colleagues, when they wanted to axe Matt Gaetz.
MTG has egg on her face too, because her motivation was helping her buddy
Matt Gaetz covering up all his sex crimes, by blackmailing all the other perverts.

Their witness, former White House aid Cassidy Hutchinson, has been sexually harassed by several Republicans. They fear she will open up this can of worms, if they let her testify, and now their investigation is crashing down on them.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Jan,25 14:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The first Trump created food price increase is in the making.
The US is the second largest oranges producing country, after Brazil.
The largest part is produced in California, and it's harvest season right now.
The workforce who does that consists of 90% migrant workers, of which half is illegal.
They are illegal, because the Republicans blocked most efforts to give them green-cards.
Now Trump has sent ICE to California, to round up the illegals. The legal migrant workers are mostly fleeing too, because they fear ICE almost just as much as the illegals.
Now most of California's oranges will rot on the trees, which won't take long in the current weather. That will increase the price of oranges and FCOJ globally. It will go up more in the US, because of the 25% tariff on Mexico that will go into effect Feb. 1, on top of the already higher prices due to shortages. This will affect the American consumers, and the manufacturers producing products from oranges.

If you think hurting California is funny, understand that those farmers won't be paying profit taxes this year, some might go bankrupt and California is the largest sub-national economy in the world. It's the biggest tax donor state in the US, funding many red states.

It's not just the oranges; very soon those migrant workers would have harvested the almonds, cotton and other citrus fruits in Florida. Basically, most of your produce is picked by migrant workers. If you let Trump deport them, you will find out soon why grocery prices were not a good reason to vote for him.

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By phart at 25,Jan,25 12:59 other posts of phart 
Well it appears there is trouble in paradise!
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Um, big mike mad about something?


By phart at 24,Jan,25 16:56 other posts of phart 
I have NO sympathy for federal workers after reading this. I knew they were lazy but simply being ask to return to work as normal is nothing to be whining about.
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If this is their attitude, I hope Elon Musk and his Doge wipes their jobs right off the fucking map.


By phart at 15,Jan,25 18:23 other posts of phart 
How nice it must be to just have 18,000 of debt YOU created WILLINGLY taken off your shoulders by the good old American tax payer.
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why? where does that money come from to cover the debt if the people who owe it don't pay it back? we the taxpayers LOOSE yet again. as folks with their social studys and english literature degrees are relived of a debt they should not have created. get a degree that will earn some moneY!
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Jan,25 20:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What's the difference between the tax-payer paying it upfront
or everyone paying off a big debt for the rest of their lives?

Your choice is more people making $5/hour, because they couldn't afford an education and an economy that needs to import educated workers.
My choice would be to educate everyone who has the brains for it, so you can have
a high tech economy, so your country keeps being solvent against your $33.1 trillion
in national debt.
By phart at 15,Jan,25 23:35 other posts of phart 
A big difference, a college kids debt is not the taxpayers burden. they signed the paperwork stating they would pay the debt,and now the government is doing it with our tax dollars.no fairness in that at all. How many people have gotten good jobs and paid their debts off? Is biden going to go back and give them a rebate? Hell no, he doesn't care.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,25 18:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
College kids will be tax-payers TOO.
You should want everyone to at least finish college.
Then everyone is paying for the college education they received.
Now you're just enriching debt collection companies.

People have rotten jobs, probably because they didn't finish college.
They probably couldn't afford it, and now they are poor.
To change that for the future, you change the system now.
It might not help the poor people, but every generation from now.
Poor people should pay less or no taxes so they wouldn't need that rebate.
You can also provide the education they are missing later, so they would
no longer be poor anymore.

There is no logic to your ideas, it's just envy turned into law.
There are many ways to improve education for everyone and pay it with taxes,
without anyone being disadvantaged by it. Education is good and if you put a financial hurdle on it, you're hurting your country.

I want my country to be the best at education and innovation and I'm willing to pay for it, because it has the best return on investment for a country. Unfortunately, my current shortsighted cabinet thinks the same way as you. They are cutting those investments, which will result in a lower GDP later, requiring more cuts. It's downward spiral.
By phart at 22,Jan,25 19:51 other posts of phart 
we are already spending to much on education for the lack of return we get. throwing more money at it without getting any better results is insane.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Jan,25 17:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Of course the US is spending way more on education than other countries,
those schools have the almost impossible job of teaching AMERICANS.
By phart at 23,Jan,25 17:48 other posts of phart 
Well, yea, you are right! They are not raised right at home They don't learn to respect authority ,as in their teachers .for 1 thing.
But listen to this,
Listen from 6.50 to 7.20 or so, even OBAMA explains it, i heard this this morning before you posted and suddenly it is beneficial to the discussion I cant get the damn link to shorten up.


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By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Jan,25 08:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Education is about LEARNING, raising them is the parents' job.
Education is about critical thinking, NOT respecting authority.
What do you THINK you are hearing Obama say?
There is nothing there that contradicts me.

Your side is teaching kids to distrust all science, from a young age.
You cannot come up with anything else than math, when you are referring to
what they need. You might accept history, but only the parts that tell kids their country is awesome, and strip out the bad parts. You want to teach them to be unconditionally loyal to your leaders, while The Constitution is written to enforce the representatives to be loyal to the people.

When those kids are in school, you have trained them to stop listening, as soon as something comes up that might encourage some independent thinking in them. They just sit there repeating Christian conservative dogma in their heads.
If the parents are not Christian wingnuts, they might both work 60 hrs/week to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. Those kids only learn to speak from the TV. It's only logical that it would cost American teachers a bit more effort to put some knowledge in those messed-up or empty children's heads, compared with my country, where the parents are less fucked-up themselves and they have time to talk to their kids and teach them some basics.

I have now years of experience talking to right-wing Americans on this website and got to know about 5 of them a lot better. There are certain topics in science that you will NEVER learn. I'm not talking about believing, I'm talking about understanding. The science on these topics is so well supported that understanding means accepting. However, if would require the complete NASA budget and the lives of several teachers, who will be committing suicide in total despair, to just get those 5 right-wingers on this website from the Peak of Mt. Stupid, anywhere near the Slope of Enlightenment, on global macroeconomics, political science, evolution, climate change and immunology.










By phart at 23,Jan,25 05:40 other posts of phart 
Heres why democrats like illegal immigrants!
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