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By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 16:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Iranian Couple IMPRISONED For 10 Years After Dancing Video Goes VIRAL
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By phart at 06,Feb,23 18:29 other posts of phart 
Well when you break the law,you do the time?
By CAT at 06,Feb,23 19:18 other posts of CAT 
Yes, but not all laws are just.

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 20:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Well when you break the law,you do the time?"

If you don't understand who is wrong in that case, the law or the people,
you don't understand anything in relation to morality.

You defended the war with Iraq, saying Saddam Hussein was a horrible dictator.
How about his laws then? What's the difference?
By phart at 06,Feb,23 21:37 other posts of phart 
Saddam was killing people.
This is not killing, this is punishment for breaking a law.
Now understand, I DO agree that the law is a bit harsh. BUT it was probably rooted from a good idea and went to far.
Think about it,2 people get close while dancing, this prompts sexual arousal which then prompts sex, which then leads to babies. Now, some countries just let the women stop in at the clinic on the way to Walmart and take care of the baby, but perhaps in iran they don't allow that. They try to prevent it from happening at all.

Our government does not rule Iran. OUr constitution and ideas are not accepted there.
So for good or bad,it is none of our business what goes on there.
Should we allow Irans people to tell us how to do something?
There comes a point and time that you have to learn to butt out. IS that not the very thing gays have been telling straight people for so long? Butt out? Well perhaps we need to butt out of irans bussiness. and let iran run it' self.
IF the people get fed up,they will pick up a frying pan,a Ak-47 or a stick and they will rise and take action.
If not, then they must be happy./
By cody8789 at 06,Feb,23 22:32 other posts of cody8789 
I agree phart
By bella! at 06,Feb,23 23:12 other posts of bella! 
Good to see you "out and about" and participating!

By WOODY58 at 06,Feb,23 22:57 other posts of WOODY58 
These laws are rooted in religion. They are harsh. Western countries disapprove these laws, but, it's an Iranian internal thing and we can't do anything about it. What we can do is publicly express our outrage at the Iranian government and we can ask our government to have no friendly contact with that country and set up sanctions. That's all legal and ALL OUR BUSINESS.

You, Phart, posted:
Think about it,2 people get close while dancing, this prompts sexual arousal which then prompts sex, which then leads to babies. Now, some countries just let the women stop in at the clinic on the way to Walmart and take care of the baby, but perhaps in iran they don't allow that. They try to prevent it from happening at all.

I just can't fathom any woman dancing with you.
By phart at 07,Feb,23 02:17 other posts of phart 
I used to enjoy live music,but always got bothered by women asking me to dance. I never learned how and don't care to.To much motion and effort with no fruitful outcome.I can cut firewood or something if I want to work that hard and have something to show for it later.
By WOODY58 at 07,Feb,23 18:07 other posts of WOODY58 
I beg to differ, but, holding a woman close to you, cheek to cheek, mixing your breaths, while moving to the beat of a slow dance is, in itself, something to cherish. Learning to dance, for a man, is not hard at all. Most of the foot work is done by the woman. Even if you never learn how to lead, like me, you can still have fun. And, remember, getting lucky could be just a dance away.

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,23 09:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"always got bothered by women asking me to dance"
Maybe you would have preferred being born in Iran.
You obviously prefer theocratic imposed modesty over freedom.

"To much motion and effort with no fruitful outcome.I can cut firewood or something"
Do you just dislike intimacy, because it doesn't bring home the bacon?
Maybe something bad happened in your childhood, that makes you dislike intimacy.
That would explain your general distrust of people too. Or you have PPD.

"I want to work that hard and have something to show for it later."
That is the most hollow life-goal you can have. Did no one ever tell you that
money can't buy happiness? Also, it's a very risky life-goal, especially in the US. One mistake or accident can screw up your life-goal. If that was your only
life-goal and it didn't work out, what reason to live is there left?
Even if you work hard and make it happen, if money was your only life-goal,
you would still be miserable. That's why wealthy people never have enough.
They've reached their life-goal, but it didn't make them happy. They only keep moving the goal post, in the hope that wealth can ever bring them happiness.
It's pretty sad actually. If their endeavor wasn't so exploitative on other people
and nature, I would feel sorry for them. They are victims of your stupid greedy culture too. However, they are also the culprits.
By phart at 08,Feb,23 14:35 other posts of phart 
Unless you sell a painting, it is has no cash value, it is just something to show for your efforts.
Unless you sell your vegetables, a garden is just a rewarding hobby that takes a bit of work. Not all work "brings in the bacon" it brings satisfaction.
My attempt at a relationship did scar me pretty bad I will admit.
The reason being bothered by being ask to dance is not that I want to be born in iran, I enjoy MUSIC. Not the movement. And the dancing and clapping and hollering, always got to loud after a while to really enjoy the good music ,so I just stay home and listen to XM radio or youtube. Of course I get tired of the prostate ad's on youtube.

By CAT at 06,Feb,23 23:05 other posts of CAT 

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,23 09:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 

If a woman's hair is coming out from under her hijab, they just fucking kill her.
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And then you say 'Well when you break the law,you do the time?'

Iranians are protesting for their freedom and you defend their 'law'.
You are defending SHARIA LAW!!!

Your government didn't rule Iraq either, but you still attacked them.
I'm not asking to attack Iran, I'm asking you TO SUPPORT FREEDOM!
And you're just defending one foolish argument, with even more of them.

By CAT at 04,Feb,23 13:02 other posts of CAT 
Nine Important Facts to Remember as We Grow Older:

#9. Death is the number 1 killer in the world.

#8. Life is sexually transmitted.

#7. Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.

#6. Men have two motivations: hunger and hanky-panky, and they can't tell them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.

#5. Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe years.

#4. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the hospital, dying of nothing.

#3. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.

#2. In the '60s, people took LSD to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.

#1. Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may become a burning issue tomorrow.
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By Gntlmn at 08,Feb,23 12:05 other posts of Gntlmn 
SO true

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,23 12:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 

Funny, but I don't agree with #6.
A sandwich doesn't stop the throbbing.
By phart at 08,Feb,23 14:28 other posts of phart 
it will eventually go away,eat the sandwich and move along.

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,23 09:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Republicans working hard to cut social security and/or privatize it.
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By tecsan at 08,Feb,23 09:05 other posts of tecsan 
What is your interest, you are a socialist from another country.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Feb,23 09:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Because all that shit starts in your country and then goes everywhere else.

By CAT at 01,Feb,23 13:01 other posts of CAT 
Nikki Haley expected to announce presidential bid on Feb. 15

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Trump cunt decides she now wants to use a dildo. 😈
By phart at 01,Feb,23 15:55 other posts of phart 
Well I am not that fond of her after the removal of the Flag from the capitol but for the most part she is better than most folks that would be candidates.
By CAT at 01,Feb,23 18:47 other posts of CAT 
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It was that despicable representation of hatred, the flag of the treasonous and Confederacy

At least one good thing about her.
By phart at 01,Feb,23 21:09 other posts of phart 
A flag many southern people died for and their sacrifices should not be forgotten.
By CAT at 01,Feb,23 21:56 other posts of CAT 
I think they should be forgotten. They chose to be traitors to their country. I have no sympathy for them nor the causethey decided to champion. The survivors were lucky to have been given their civil rights back.

BTW. In one of your posts you say Carpetbaggers where not presented in school. During junior high and highschool, American History where required courses. I remember studying post Civi War h Ii story and the resulting Carpetbaggers and what they did to the Southern economy. I don't know what your curriculum was, but, all my peers are well versed in that period of American History.
By phart at 02,Feb,23 00:31 other posts of phart 
You and I were born and raised in a different time, when the history we were taught was a bit more diverse.
I seriously doubt the word carpet bagger is in a "modern" history book used in a public school. I hope I am wrong,I hope they teach history thru and thru,but I doubt it.
By CAT at 02,Feb,23 01:25 other posts of CAT 
My kids are younger than you. My oldest is 50. I asked them and all knew where the term carpetbagger comes from.
By dgraff at 03,Feb,23 23:13 other posts of dgraff 
I know what a carpet muncher is

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Feb,23 10:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Carpetbagger: "A largely historical term used by Southerners to describe opportunistic Northerners who came to the Southern states after the American Civil War, who were perceived to be exploiting the local populace for their own financial, political, and/or social gain."

At least I learned something new.

'Opportunistic Northerners who come to the Southern states to exploit the local populace for their own financial, political, and/or social gain' are WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS BY THE SOUTH now. They give them huge tax-cuts and tax benefits,
to build their Amazon warehouses, Google data-centers, big oil pumping rigs and maybe soon the Twitter headquarters, to exploit and pollute the local population.

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Feb,23 10:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A lot of Nazi's died in sacrifice to their ideology too.
They should not be forgotten either. But Germany learned from their mistakes.
No one is demanding to put up the Nazi Swastika flag on the Reichstag.
That's why we can mourn the victims of Nazi ideology on both sides.

The southern racist, anti-freedom ideology is still alive and flourishing.
That's why the liberty4all side need to keep fighting, until it's gone.
And the liberty side cannot mourn the victims of the anti-liberty ideology,
on both sides, until the side propagating it has learned their lesson.
As long as that side still sees the Confederate flag as a symbol to defend,
that side has not learned their lesson yet.
By phart at 03,Feb,23 01:23 other posts of phart 
and if the history is erased or modified to suit a particular agenda ,how do you expect anyone to learn any lesson, good or bad?
By CAT at 03,Feb,23 12:06 other posts of CAT 
History is written by the victors. That is true, but, what the victors write can be and, in this case, is true. Why don't you post what lesson should be rewritten?
By phart at 03,Feb,23 21:18 other posts of phart 
I have and ananas keeps telling me it's a lie.BUT he never shows proof that all the slave owners beat their slaves and starved them either.
They were not free at home before they came here either,they were at war with other tribes,they were sold off by other tribes,they were running from wild animals,dieing of strange illness's and so on. Look at their decendants now. Lexus,gold teeth,good health,fine homes,fine clothes,and they still whine. Africa is ready when they are if they don't appreciate their ancestors sacrifices.
By CAT at 03,Feb,23 23:11 other posts of CAT 
Being enslaved should be enough for anyone to see that they were horribly treated, but, there's more. The treatment of slaves in the United States often included sexual abuse and ****, the denial of education, and punishments like whippings. Families were often split up by the sale of one or more members, usually never to see or hear of each other again. Enslaved people "desperately sought freedom".
While 180,000 African-American soldiers fought in the United States Army during the Civil War, no slave, not one, fought as a soldier for the Confederacy.
Slaves were punished by whipping, shackling, hanging, beating, burning, mutilation, branding, ****, and imprisonment. Punishment was often meted out in response to disobedience or perceived infractions, but sometimes abuse was performed to re-assert the dominance of the master (or overseer) over the slave. Slave overseers were authorized to whip and punish slaves. One overseer told a visitor, "Some Negroes are determined never to let a white man whip them and will resist you, when you attempt it; of course you must kill them in that case."A former slave describes witnessing females being whipped: "They usually screamed and prayed, though a few never made a sound." The branding of slaves for identification was common during the colonial era; however, by the nineteenth century it was used primarily as punishment. Mutilation of slaves, such as castration of males, removing a front tooth or teeth, and amputation of ears was a relatively common punishment during the colonial era, still used in 1830: it facilitated their identification if they ran away.
Any punishment was permitted for runaway slaves, and many bore wounds from shotgun blasts or dog bites inflicted by their captors. "The punishment of deviant slaves was decentralized, based on plantations, and crafted so as not to impede their value as laborers. Whites punished slaves publicly to set an example. A man named Harding describes an incident in which a woman assisted several men in a minor rebellion: "The women he hoisted up by the thumbs, whipp'd and slashed her [sic] with knives before the other slaves till she died.
Medical care was poor. A majority of plantation owners and doctors balanced a plantation need to coerce as much labor as possible from a slave without causing death, infertility, or a reduction in productivity; the effort by planters and doctors to provide sufficient living resources that enabled their slaves to remain productive and bear many children; the impact of diseases and injury on the social stability of slave communities.
Slaveholders had no legal obligation to respect the sanctity of the slave's marriage bed, and slave women— married or single – had no formal protection against their owners' sexual advances. ...Without legal protection and subject to the master's whim, the slave family was always at risk. Owners of enslaved people could legally use them as sexual objects. Therefore, slavery in the United States encompassed wide-ranging **** and sexual abuse, including many forced pregnancies, in order to produce children for sale.

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Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, kidnapping adults and stealing children for the purpose of selling them, through intermediaries, to Europeans or their agents.Those sold into slavery were usually from a different ethnic group than those who captured them, whether enemies or just neighbors.[citation needed] These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings were only interested in protecting their own ethnic group, but sometimes criminals would be sold to get rid of them. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans.
Africans lived in villages in Africa. They did not have to fear wild animals unless venturing into the woods, much like us now.

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"Lexus,gold teeth,good health,fine homes,fine clothes,and they still whine. Africa is ready when they are if they don't appreciate their ancestors sacrifices." This statement alone shows how little you know about the African/American community. If you are not a racist, you sure are close to it. At the very least, you parade an ignorance about what slavery is. You also fail to grasp that today's African/Americans don't own anything to the white man. They got what they have by the sweat of their brow and the blood spilled fighting for their civil rights.

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 09:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A Massive New Database Will Connect Billions of Historic Records to Tell the Full Story of American Slavery"
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People could write back then. They have records about how slaves were transported from Africa and how many of them died. They were tied up for months in the hold of a ship. There are records on how long the slaves lived, after they were sold. Some slave owners kept very precise records and some didn't, but there's other data to determine the death-rate for those, like census data and the numbers of slaves that were sold, which were archived meticulously (it was a business). There are many mass graves of slaves archeologically examined.
It's possible to determine the age of bodies found and in some cases their cause of death.

There is massive amount of scientific research on the history of slavery.
But you don't know and don't care. If science paints a picture that you don't like, you just deny science. You prefer the uninformed opinion of some politician or paid political activist. And you are averse to knowledge in general.

Africa is still being completely exploited by the west. We take all their natural resources for almost nothing and make them pay for ever for the debt that the west imposed on them. Their corrupt leaders are maintained by our leaders. When there is a war in Africa, we only help the side that most bows to our wishes. And of course white people in South Africa maintained 'apartheid' until recently. Africa is still mostly a slave continent. We are not there to enslave them in person anymore, we just enslave their countries.
By phart at 06,Feb,23 14:17 other posts of phart 
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"Treatment by union soldiers could also be brutal."

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"25% of slaves that followed the union army died".
I can't copy and paste from this link but it clearly states alot of slaves stayed at the plantations after being freed.

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Read the line in yellow at the end.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 16:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Treatment by union soldiers could also be brutal."
Is that something I should be surprised about?
Horrible crimes are performed on both sides in every war, even when one side is fighting freedom and the other side is fighting to keep slavery. It doesn't condone the horrible crimes, but it doesn't eliminate that one side was fighting for freedom either. What do you think is happening between Russian soldiers and Ukrainian defense fighters now? The Russians are brutally murdered too. Do you think they are kissing them to death?

"25% of slaves that followed the union army died"
Because they joined the fight maybe? A war creates casualties.

"alot of slaves stayed at the plantations after being freed"
Some had to work off the debt, as compensation to their owner's loss of ownership. Many others didn't have anywhere to go. It's hard to make it on your own, if you have NOTHING, in a world were people hate you. So their slavery turned into jobs at exploitative wages. They did not advance much in life, but at least they had some future to look forward to and some rights to make their own decisions. There is a difference between being poor and being cattle.
Don't you understand freedom or just not when it involves former slaves?

I cannot read any line in Yellow, but I don't care about the words of Robert E Lee either. Not much of a neutral observer, don't you think?
By phart at 06,Feb,23 18:29 other posts of phart 
People like you dismiss the words of 1 of the greatest Generals in the history of our country. He didn't have to surrender ,he did it to save lives.
At that time it seemed logical but it didn't work.
By CAT at 06,Feb,23 19:45 other posts of CAT 
When it comes to war he was very good. He didn't need to surrender. He could have been like the Japanese high command in WWII, every man fight to the death. When he surrendered there was zero chance of winning the war.

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 19:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He wasn't a general of your country, he was the general of the traitors.
Maybe he fought courageously, but I'm sure some Nazi generals did too.

Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel unconditionally surrendered for Germany, probably saving many lives. I'm sure he knew he was going to executed when he did, and he was. His last words were: "I call on God Almighty to have mercy on the German people. More than two million German soldiers went to their death for the fatherland before me. I follow now my sons – all for Germany." He was doing what he considered to be right. But I don't trust his words on how they treated the Jews. I consider that the same thing.

In any case, General E. Lee, even if he was less of a bastard than Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, fought for the right of rich assholes to keep slaves.
So I don't trust his opinion on matters of slavery. Because he was wrong,
just like Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel.
By CAT at 06,Feb,23 23:03 other posts of CAT 
An aside to that:
He was stripped of his citizenship after his surrender at Appomattox on April 9, 1865. On 1975 it was posthumously restored.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,23 17:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
By Republican President Gerald R. Ford, acknowledging Lee's Oath of Allegiance. Apparently, just saying sorry for your treason to the United States and giving an oath to never do that again, is enough to get your citizenship back.
By CAT at 07,Feb,23 17:45 other posts of CAT 
Not in his lifetime

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Feb,23 20:27 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
History is not erased. It's all archived and open for study by scientists.
Taking down statues of traitors or mass-murderers is not erasing history,
it's suppressing the ideology that resulted into that history, so it doesn't repeat itself.

You are the one rewriting history, by whitewashing it, so you won't learn anything.
By phart at 07,Feb,23 02:20 other posts of phart 
Open for study? Ok, what would prompt someone to study it,if there are no prompts? Such as a statue? Or a road name?
Hidden away in a library,to never be seen, probably to get repeated with a modern twist.
By CAT at 07,Feb,23 17:11 other posts of CAT 
I'm pretty sure most of these guys don't have a statue in a public place or a street named after them, but, they represent the BEST OF THE BEST and their work involves every aspect of humanity.

List of Nobel Prize Winners

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By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Feb,23 17:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Hidden away in a library,to never be seen"
I know you don't read, but libraries are where you provide books to the public.
They are in DIGITIZED archives, so everyone can read them.
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Where do you want them? Hanging from a flag pole?

A statue is not an archive, it's a method of glorification.
People who fought to keep slavery don't deserve glorification.
Road names only have one reason; to show respect for the name-holder.
You don't want to remember them, you want to worship them.

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By CAT at 04,Feb,23 18:20 other posts of CAT 
Let’s jot down some recent and potential forthcoming things we are free from thanks to our Jerk Governor DeSantis:

Books. Specifically books that make students feel uncomfortable in any way, so that their parents need never endure a more complicated discussion than “tendies or nuggies?”

AP African American History.

Small liberal arts colleges with a mathematical symbol for a mascot.

Diversity, equity and inclusion programs at universities and fairness and diversity courses for judges.

Tenure for college professors with too many suede elbow patches, a bad sign.

Privacy for menstruating high school athletes or public university students seeking gender-affirming care.

Indoctrination, unless it’s the right kind of indoctrination, then it’s all good.

Anything “easty,” since state universities are going to be grounded in “western traditions” and require classes about “philosophy that has shaped western civilization.” You just know easty when you see it.

Disney’s special taxing district, a hasty freedom dreamed up (a wish your heart makes) last year when the Walt Disney Co. got too woke about LGBTQ people.

Private businesses setting their own rules on masks and vaccines.

Legally elected state attorneys.

Migrants... in other states...

Public records the governor doesn’t feel like letting the public see.
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The problem with assholes like him is not themselves only but everyone else who licks them. That's why they are around. Because there are many lickers/suckers out there.
By CAT at 04,Feb,23 23:58 other posts of CAT 
You are right.
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14 overall in the nation.
So you are free from a bad economy.
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Number 8 in the nation on this 1,

You should be thankful, many states,and many people are NOT in as good of shape as you are.
By CAT at 07,Feb,23 16:57 other posts of CAT 
I'm happy with my state's rankings. I don't like how DeSantis is trying to disrupt this with his Trumpist ideologies. Eventually it will impact the state.

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By CAT at 01,Feb,23 12:41 other posts of CAT 
Missing radioactive capsule found in Western Australia

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Aussie authorities reported they found a missing radioactive capsule yesterday. They say it was too late for one person. DEV01, according to Sgt. Dundee, is now a very glowing character. 🤣🤣😈
By phart at 01,Feb,23 21:10 other posts of phart 
I must admit,I would not want to hire a company that couldn't haul something the size of a roll of film without loosing it on the hwy. Sheesh,.
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I'm with on that one.

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Some of my Democrat colleagues refuse to admit that the vast majority of those claiming asylum are coming to the U.S. for economic reasons, not humanitarian, which makes them ineligible for asylum.
By CAT at 03,Feb,23 23:18 other posts of CAT 
Could it be that they come for a combination of both?

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It's 76* in Miami. It's going to be a brutal winter. 🤣🤣😈
By phart at 03,Feb,23 01:22 other posts of phart 
Well we will survive!

By WOODY58 at 01,Feb,23 13:25 other posts of WOODY58 
Does anyone know KoryAyers? This guy just blacklisted me. I have had no contact with him.

Looks photoshopped to me.🖕💀
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what part?
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His feeet
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NO SHIT sherlocks!
Heck,even I saw cell phone video that was taken by someone that was actually there,of cops MOVING barricades for people to come in.

By CAT at 29,Jan,23 17:25 other posts of CAT 
Utah bans gender-affirming care for transgender youth

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This from a state that was founded by polygamists.
By phart at 01,Feb,23 15:59 other posts of phart 
Simply banning it for people under 18 that are not responsablie enough to make life altering desicions. If they were,we could draft them for military duty at 12, they could drive at 8 and so on. When they turn 18,they can turn themselves into anything they can afford to.
Like this guy.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Feb,23 16:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They don't do life altering things to people under 18.
They at most give them puberty blockers. That's reversible.
And that's after a long period of evaluation.

Most transgender kids show that they're transgender very young.
That's years of confirmation, before puberty blockers even are necessary.

Our top-model Loiza Lamers knew she was a girl and not a boy at age 6.
Her transition operation was at age 18.
And of course, she didn't need puberty blockers, before puberty started.
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Do you think she would have looked this pretty, when puberty blockers
would have been denied from her, until the age of 18?
Denying her those puberty blockers, that would have been life altering.
She wouldn't have won Holland's Next Top Model, that's for sure.

By CAT at 26,Jan,23 19:48 other posts of CAT 
5 Fired Officers Charged With Murder in the Death of Tyre Nichols: Live Updates
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That's how it's done. It doesn't matter who did the deed. Justice has to be blind.

By CAT at 26,Jan,23 19:44 other posts of CAT 
Rick Scott announces Senate run, promises to push 'controversial' plan that forces the poor to pay more taxes

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Another asshole Floridian Republican.

By WOODY58 at 26,Jan,23 19:10 other posts of WOODY58 

This woman, Sarahthesexybeast!, that I don't even know, posted this about me. "Send this rat to the block!"
Here she is, /yw7plez86wt1pic.html , no tits and all tongue. I guess she's sexy. Some say she's hot, but, her choice of member friends make her even more ugly.
By CAT at 26,Jan,23 19:38 other posts of CAT 
Be nice and ignore them. 😈

By phart at 26,Jan,23 12:26 other posts of phart 
PLEASE tell me this is not normal for Floridians?
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Third time she has went down in the pipes. Rescues cost money ,sometimes lots of it depending on what the fool did and where the fool found themselves. Such as a flooded river rescue we had recently requiring the Army to send a chopper out.

You think maby they should pass a law to stop her from going down in the drain? Laws work don't they?
By CAT at 26,Jan,23 17:55 other posts of CAT 
I plead "Florida Crazy"
By phart at 26,Jan,23 18:58 other posts of phart 
If her rotten ass wouldn't clog the pipes i would say leave her ass in there next time.
By CAT at 26,Jan,23 19:25 other posts of CAT 
I honestly can't explain it, but, in this state we have people that keep gators as pets, boa constrictors as talking points, and voted for DeSantis. What can say?

By phart at 12,Jan,23 15:45 other posts of phart 
Illegals are really "grateful" for the help they get.
Look at the wasted food, and etc.
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By CAT at 12,Jan,23 16:23 other posts of CAT 
First, they are LEGAL. Second, so what? Either the hotel is making money or they would have been kicked out. Phart, one example doesn't make any difference. Get over this hatred for illegals.
By phart at 12,Jan,23 16:28 other posts of phart 
This is not about hatred,this is about wastefulness .That was enough food to feed our homeless for a week or more being thrown away because of those ungrateful people's wasteful mindset.It's free to them so they don't care,it is not free to the tax payer.
And I doubt there is much money being made,you haven't saw the place once the illegals leave. May not be worth rebuilding.
And I Doubt this is the only place this waste is happening.
It is 1 thing to come here asking for help.But when you waste that help,and fight and fuck and tear up everything,that is when you should be sent back to where ever the hell you came from.And all that sex in the hall ways is only leading to even MORE babies to have to feed because once they fall out of their mothers worn out holes, they are citizens, for the country to keep up.
I can't believe you can't comprehend waste
And another thing,there were plenty of homeless people already in New York that could have been put up in those hotels with that SAME federal money. Why are citizens being denied this luxury and only the illegals or whatever the fuck is ok to call them get it all free?
By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 17:26 other posts of leopoldij 
Cat is right
By phart at 12,Jan,23 18:13 other posts of phart 
I knew you would agree it is ok to leave our legal citizens starveing and homeless and let the illegals throw away food and desimate our resources.You think the world is a endless horn of plenty,wrong,it has a bottom and eventually people will see it,when they hit it.
I didn't change the subject on the thread you made,I started this 1 to show that you aren't the only 1 asking questions.
that can't get answers rather they make sense or not.
I know the world is dangerous.and until people are deterred from harming each other and learn to value life, nothing will change, except maby the tools if your type of folks have their way.
By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 21:08 other posts of leopoldij 
The existence of poverty is due to there being so many filthy rich, individuals who have more money than entire nations.
Some of their money should be redistributed to poor people or, better yet, by creating new sustainable conditions for the welfare
of the poor. Nobody should own more than, say, 10,000,000,000, that is like owning 10 million luxurious houses each 10 million dollars worth. It should be illegal to have that much money. It's too much and such people are a threat to the stability of a nation (because they can, for example, pay politicians, buy armies , etc).

That's the sustainable solution.

Together with an obvious disease: there are too many people on this planet. We should go down to at most 5 billion people by asking people not too have too many children.
By phart at 13,Jan,23 00:55 other posts of phart 
OH my Goodness? You just discribed George Soro's!
He has literally bankrupted 2 countries.
But he gets a pass because he supports liberal causes.
A conservitive leaning person of his caliber would be hunted down by Seal team 6 like a terrorist.

By CAT at 12,Jan,23 23:54 other posts of CAT 
Phart, wouldn’t it be great if we could roll back time to a few years ago? Say, to 2008? There were no homeless people then. Vets had all their problems taken cared off. Insurance companies were well regulated. There were no homosexuals. Disabled people had full support of the US government. Illegal aliens were all stopped at the border. There was no discrimination of any people. We all had health insurance for life. Ahh, those were the times, my friend.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Jan,23 08:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your legal citizens are starving and homeless, because they are exploited by the same people that illegals are. It's not the lack of resources you should worry about, because there is an abundance of it, it's who controls those resources, why you have citizens who are starving and homeless.
By CAT at 20,Jan,23 19:17 other posts of CAT 
Every country has citizens that are starving and homeless. The people who do the exploiting exist in every country. Even yours, Ananas. They may exploit for different reasons but the end is the same. There's the have and the have nots. Even in the most socialistic country there's that one that has a Datcha and a car with a driver because "he is important to making the system work". I do understand what you, Ananas, are trying to convey, but, "exploited" doesn't really fit here. While many resources are available through corporate efforts, not all is controlled by Wall Street types. I know where I can pick fruit and veggies for personal consumption. I know where a Ma and Pa grocery store sells fresh meats. I know how to bake bread and make very good and healthy meals. I don't need a car, a bicycle is good enough. So, you see, it would be hard to exploit me. And, before you say, "Ah, but what about money?". That, too, is not at the mercy of the Big Guys. I have a service (I have a nursing degree) I can sell. You are European and as such, your history includes many times the citizentry have been subjugated and it's natural to shout for equality. In our country, despite all the discrimination and police brutality, we can still say we are relatively free to be happy.
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Jan,23 15:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The people who do the exploiting exist in every country. Even yours, Ananas."
That's true. That is the problem I'm addressing all the time.

If by your reference to a 'Datcha', you imply that Russia is, or ever was the most socialistic country; it isn't and it never was. It was at most communist; an authoritarian government controlling everything. Socialism means full democratic control of the PEOPLE. Russia never had that, it was always controlled by the wealthy elite and it still is now. The people never had any power and even now Putin does some sham elections, they still have no power. The most 'socialistic' countries are the Scandinavian countries. And there are the least starving and homeless people in the world there. When people refer to Venezuela, they know nothing. That's a corrupt state run by oil barons, an oligarchy is not socialism.
The people have no power at all.

A free market is part of capitalism. It doesn't mean that everything is owned and controlled by corporations. But who is owner of the farm, or the mortgage of the farm or who owns that mom and pop shop, who collects their rent, who controls the money you pay with or the method you pay by. Where did the farm buy their seeds, or the manure. Who competes with that farm and mom and pop shop, determining the price you are willing to pay, where does your money come from?
When there is an economic crisis, who gets bailed out with your tax-dollars,
that self-pick farm, the mom and pop shop, or big banks and corporations?
In all those steps, corporations have lots of influence over what you think is an uncontrolled free market.

In the past, everyone was exploited. We come from a time of lords and serfs.
It's true that people are more free to be happy now, but don't be complacent, because your freedom is fragile and the time of lords and serfs is closer than you think. For many uneducated working people, it's already a reality that is almost inescapable. They are living in their car, on the parking lot of the factory, because they don't have money for a house and they work too many hours to travel home anyway. That bar of exploitation is moving up, to more people we used to call the 'middle class'. How many jobs do you know, that used to pay enough to house and feed a whole family and now doesn't pay enough for one person? Are there less people doing those jobs now? Or are there now just more people with jobs that don't pay enough to house and feed them?

By phart at 12,Jan,23 19:22 other posts of phart 
Leo,since you like stats,
Check these out.
A near-record 22,077 single adults slept in shelters each night in October 2022. Over the course of City Fiscal Year 2022, 102,656 different homeless adults and children slept in the New York City Department of Homeless Services (DHS) shelter system. This includes 29,653 homeless children.
Did you read that? over 29,000 homeless KIDS! IN 1 city.
No resources to house them except in "shelters". BUT suddenly when some of bidens puppets are shipped in from the border, there is 1000's of dollars to pay for hotels,food,and etc.
Citizens first, America FIRST.
By CAT at 12,Jan,23 23:47 other posts of CAT 
The question is why are they there. They are there because a REPUBLICAN governor bussed them there. Those 29,000 NY homeless, would they have been any more or less homeless if those LEGAL immigrants had not been .bussed BY FORCE by the Texas REPUBLICAN governor? I think not.
By phart at 13,Jan,23 00:51 other posts of phart 
You can't dodge the fact there was suddenly money coming out of nowhere for the illegals,that was not visable when needed for the citizens,
By CAT at 13,Jan,23 01:29 other posts of CAT 
You don't know where that money came from. Every city has a slush fund
By phart at 13,Jan,23 03:09 other posts of phart 
THen why don't they use it for solving problems with Americans?
Instead of waiting for illegals to get dropped on them? Hell they coulda sent the money to mexico and the immigrants coulda blown it there.
By CAT at 13,Jan,23 11:26 other posts of CAT 
You do realize these people presented themselves to border security and they were allowed in as any other immigrants seeking asylum, don't you?
By phart at 20,Jan,23 01:41 other posts of phart 
You HONESTLY think they are telling the truth or just repeating what some coyote told them to say after taking their money to get them to the border? Asylum means they are threatened and running for their lives. I can't believe that every 1 of them is running for their lives. they are running to free rides on our tab.
Hell I would learn a few phrases to if it meant me staying in a 400 dollar a night hotel for free how ever long I wanted to.
By CAT at 20,Jan,23 22:13 other posts of CAT 
In December 2022, the United States accepted 69refugees from Ukraine. In fiscal year 2022 - which ended September 30 - the U.S. had accepted a total of 1,610 Ukrainian refugees. The most Ukrainian refugees arrived in February of 2022, the same month that Ukraine was invaded by Russia.Jan 11, 2023

What is the word for Ukrainian coyote?
By phart at 25,Jan,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
Ukraine is actually at war in case you missed the news. And I am willing to bet once the war is over these folkes will go home.
Central america has been in rock throwing mode long before most immigrants were born. So their parents knew the score and shoulda kept their pants up and not brought kids into that world.
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Jan,23 15:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"So their parents knew the score and shoulda kept their pants up and not brought kids into that world."

Their life already sucks and then you deny them sex too.

Why do you think I am pro-choice? Because sometimes contraceptives fail and then I don't want people, who are in no shape to raise children, being forced to bring kids into a horrible world.
You understand the last part, but fail to understand that people should have a choice, better than the one you're offering.
By phart at 25,Jan,23 16:09 other posts of phart 
So who made all these rubbers that are failing? sheesh ,lawsuits may be in order?
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Jan,23 16:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are more contraceptives than just rubbers.
But like I said before, Republicans want to ban contraceptives too.

By CAT at 25,Jan,23 17:16 other posts of CAT 
That's not much of an argument, Phart, after all, your parents knew the score on the state of the US and they pulled their pants down.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Jan,23 08:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You SAY "Citizens first, America FIRST", but you DO Elon Musk first, Jeff Bezos first.

Isn't 200 billion enough for them to start thinking about 'the citizens'?
It's your idea of capitalism, that the wealthy run the country, right?
So, how much more do they need to have, before you give them some responsibility?
A trillion? Ten trillion? 99% of all the money? 100%? WHEN????

If the wealthy don't have that responsibility, than who?
You want to give them all the power, but no responsibility?
Do you see the recipe for disaster now?
By phart at 25,Jan,23 15:08 other posts of phart 
Gee,is Amazon fully automated? No, they have employees to work for them.Supplying jobs.
Does Elon build all of his cars? Does he do all the design work and welding? No,he hires people for that and pay them very well.
Without those 2 people,how many 1000's would be working elsewhere,for less money,if at all?
ALOT of them.

So these rich people do take some responsibility for the citizens.The citizens that are willing to get educated and work. Not the 1's that want to lay around at starbucks drinking 10 dollar latte's while hoping sleepy joe erases their college debt from their useless degree.

Oh,by the way,have you forgot Nuero link? You know the company Elon started to design brain implants for the blind and so forth?To help the disabled?
Does George soro's take THAT kind of action for others? No,he spends his money created confusion, riots and spreading hatred and division.
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Did Elon build all this by himself?

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Did Elon design this?
Employees did.
By CAT at 25,Jan,23 23:12 other posts of CAT 
They don't. It just works out that way because they have a business. They don't get up in the morning and ask themselves, " What can I do for people"
By phart at 26,Jan,23 01:22 other posts of phart 
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Most going to climate change but hey,liberals can't say he is not going to help.

even the worlds worst enemy george soros has given 32 billion to cause's he supports.
To say the rich do nothing for the people is a broad brush.

By phart at 25,Jan,23 15:05 other posts of phart 
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Gee,maby we should have taken them to florida.Maby they could steal from your neighbors instead of new yorkers.
These illegals were staying at 1 of the 400 dollar a night hotels by the way,on taxpayers dime.
What were they going to do with 12,000 dollars worth of stuff from a fancy store? I doubt they were going to wear it.Probably shuttle it to a 3rd party for about 400 bucks to be sold at the flea markets somewhere
By CAT at 25,Jan,23 23:17 other posts of CAT 
You assume. Bottom line, they broke the law. They got caught. They'll have a trial and, probably, found guilty. They'll be sentenced and will have to serve it. They will be deported. What I can't believe is that you prefer these people be bussed to Florida instead of New York. I can't believe you don't see why this bussing is wrong.
By phart at 26,Jan,23 01:26 other posts of phart 
The bussing is 1 of the best ideas yet to combat the issue of the out of control border.It has democrat mayors like from new york on tv talking about the problem.His ideas may not be the best,BUT if HE and other democrats are hollaring about it,it will bring the issue to the eyes of the democrats.
A few democrats may actually take time to learn the truth and may work in a positive way to a solution. Until he got a bunch of the illegals bussed to him the Mayor of new york did not give 2 shits about the struggles of other citys and states. Now he does. That is what you need. Instead of being "woke" WAKE UP!
By CAT at 26,Jan,23 18:10 other posts of CAT 
Phart, don't you think everyone in the country knows there's a human crisis occuring in our southern border? What, exactly, did this stunt do to come up with a solution? Millions of taxpayers dollars are being spent, and for what? So some dumbass Republican governor can look good for the next election? Because Texas gets nothing from this. Like you say, all that money could have gone to help the homeless and vets.
You blame the Democrats, but, what do you think they'll be able to do? You think McCarthy and the other Republicans in the House will let the Biden administration come up with a solution? Not happening.
By phart at 26,Jan,23 18:57 other posts of phart 
The democrats do not want a solution,they are enjoying the mess.
As for what they could do, CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER .
There is no war down in central america right now,so no reason for asylum.
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By CAT at 25,Jan,23 22:46 other posts of CAT 
I bought one of those hoses that curls itself up after use. It worked great for three weeks, then, it stopped curling the last five feet. A few days later it would not curl the last fifteen feet. After three months it stopped curling ANY part. What a ripoff.
By bella! at 25,Jan,23 23:05 other posts of bella! 
Take it back to the store you purchased it OR write the manufacturer.
By CAT at 25,Jan,23 23:19 other posts of CAT 
Not worth the effort. I didn't keep the receipt or the packaging. I have to admit, it does work as a regular hose.
By phart at 26,Jan,23 01:14 other posts of phart 
If you buy something from Harbor freight,have a phone number stored with them,and you wont need a receipt. and yes they sell those hoses, buy the 2 year replacement warranty. I use tools, and I mean USE them in ways sometimes they were not designed, and if a tool I bought there breaks ,they do not ask a single question, they replace it, and you have the option of renewing the warranty.
Afte a accident with a angle grinder I had to start using a different type with a trigger switch that would cut off on it's own if it slipped from my hand. I didn't have that poor grinder 2 months and it fell off the frame I was welding on and broke. I took it back, told the lady it fell on the floor,she said go get another. a 60 dollar grinder replaced,and I renewed the warranty for around 10 bucks. well worth it.Do it with about anything I buy there now.
By CAT at 26,Jan,23 02:05 other posts of CAT 
I got mine, and I'm ashamed to admit it, from one of those adds on tv. I would have to research all my credit card statements for the last 3 or so months, then, the bother of shipping back. I needed a hose. Good hoses run about $25 at local stores. This one cost me under $40. Tax included. For $15 is not worth it. I still have a hose. A plus is that it's do pliable it's really easy to put away.

By CAT at 21,Jan,23 17:35 other posts of CAT 
Trump Added $7.8 Trillion To The National Debt And Republicans Didn’t Say A Word

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Now they want to cut Medicare and Social Security (witch we paid into all our working life) Why not raise taxes on corporations?
By leopoldij at 21,Jan,23 20:44 other posts of leopoldij 
Let's read it elsewhere:
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So what? National Dept for the US means nothing.
The US prints money ex nihilo.

Now watch how the reactionary fucked up phart will justify
the dept. He'll say it's a communist propaganda or that
it's fake news or that the money was actually borrowed and
will be used in the near future to make loyal true fascist
americans richer.

By leopoldij at 21,Jan,23 20:52 other posts of leopoldij 
However, according to only registered users can see external links one should look at the *percentage* of national debt increase per president. Let's look at the last 45 years. We have:

Donald Trump 33.1% increase
Barack Obama 74% increase
George W. Bush 101% increase
Bill Clinton 32% increase
George H.W. Bush 54% increase
Ronald Reagan 186% increase
Jimmy Carter 42.7% increase

So, from worst to less worse, we have

Ronald Reagan WORST
George W. Bush second WORST
Barack Obama third WORST
George H.W. Bush fourth WORST
Jimmy Carter fifth WORST
Donald Trump sixth WORST
Bill Clinton seventh WORST

So the Donald isn't the worst. Reagan and Bush are.
Obama is almost there too.
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 00:16 other posts of CAT 
Percentage doesn't work here. If the original debt is $100 and 50%ys added, that's only $150. An increase of fifty dollars. If you start with $1000 and add 10% that's an increase of one hundred dollars. Check were the start is.
By leopoldij at 22,Jan,23 00:26 other posts of leopoldij 
I see your point.

By dgraff at 21,Jan,23 21:21 other posts of dgraff 
Joe Biden is at the debt ceiling now the democrats want to raise the ceiling that’s outrageous cuts need to be made desperately
By phart at 21,Jan,23 21:44 other posts of phart 
Why can't they cut some waste off the budget?
The American people have reached their debt ceiling ,they can't afford to live a decent life as it is with the cost of living sky rocketing the last year or so.
By dgraff at 21,Jan,23 21:58 other posts of dgraff 
They should indeed but instead they decided to hire on an abundance of IRS agents
By phart at 21,Jan,23 23:27 other posts of phart 
I think that is getting nipped in the bud,and I think they are going to work on that 600 dollar shit to.
That is meddling in children's lemonade stand funds ridicules.

By CAT at 22,Jan,23 02:20 other posts of CAT 
The debt limit does not authorize new spending commitments. It simply allows the government to finance existing legal obligations that Congresses and presidents of both parties have made in the past. Failing to increase the debt limit would have catastrophic economic consequences.

You guys don't know how it works. Get your facts right.
By dgraff at 22,Jan,23 05:28 other posts of dgraff 
I understand how it works no matter what party is in power they spend uncontrollably and waist money on stupid ideas like heated sidewalks around the White House and all the IRS employees and helping other countries when we have people right here in the United States that are homeless and starving
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 13:00 other posts of CAT 
What I'm trying to say is the national debt ceiling is an ongoing thing voted on every year. You are right they should try to spend responsibly, but, a huge chunk is the interest on previous spending. It's more than one president or one party.
By phart at 22,Jan,23 14:46 other posts of phart 
We have long since borrowed more than we can ever pay back.The borrowing needs to stop.
It is unsustainable.
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 14:57 other posts of CAT 
Sure, Phart. That's what everyone says, but, there's always one more bridge to build.
The biggest spenditures are healthcare, Social Security, defense and interest.

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How do you cut that?
By phart at 23,Jan,23 01:44 other posts of phart 
YOU don't.
You cut stupid shit like this.
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We can get our noses out of their energy problem.

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we have homeless veterans here in the US and we send money overseas?

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Don't most gay people say,"keep the government out of our bedrooms"? Well, then stop this shit to.

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This is easy,contract prison systems to the highest bidder. I bet china can house prisoners alot cheaper than we can in the US.

I could go on and yea, the prison example is a step to far to give you something to yammer about but stil,there are plenty of cuts that would not starve people
By CAT at 23,Jan,23 14:31 other posts of CAT 
This is not "stupid shit". These are important humanitarian concerns contributing to the wellbeing of many people.
By phart at 25,Jan,23 15:03 other posts of phart 
people that should be of no concern to the US.
We should take care of what is inside our borders FIRST.
By CAT at 25,Jan,23 22:48 other posts of CAT 
All the above are from inside the country.

By CAT at 23,Jan,23 16:18 other posts of CAT 
“Every student in our nation should be able to learn about the culture, contributions, and experiences of all Americans – including Black Americans – who shaped our history,”. "Unfortunately, in Florida, extremist so-called leaders ban books, block history classes, and prevent teachers from freely discussing who they are and who they love,” "Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.”

Kamala Harris, Vice-President of the United States.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Jan,23 16:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They call the teaching the history of slavery and oppression of black people;
'unsolicited theories that may lead to student indoctrination'.
But, off course they love to say they are protecting 'freedom of speech'.

New Training Tells Florida School Librarians Which Books Are Off-Limits:
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"School librarians in Florida will have to undergo training on choosing, removing, and curating books for school and classroom libraries to comply with a state law passed last year.
They are prohibited from using any instructional materials that include critical race theory, culturally responsive teaching, social-emotional learning, social justice, “and any other unsolicited theories that may lead to student indoctrination are prohibited,” according to the training."
By phart at 25,Jan,23 15:01 other posts of phart 
It wouldn't be so bad if they would tell the truth.But they try to make it sound like the slaves were misstreated and so on.
Leaving out a important tidbit of info.
The whites didn't go chase down the people they inslaved. They bought or traded for them from OTHER BLACKS in africa.
If whites were to lazy to work their own farm land,what makes you think they would run thru the jungles to chase after workers?
So teach the truth, the WHOLE truth.
Also,teach the fact that even Robert E Lee said it was inhumane to free the slaves without education,trades or ways to support themselves.
You don't hear that.
All you hear is the simple part,they were not "free".

Also teach the fact that the slaves were well fed, clothed, housed. UnLike the conditions they had in africa. naked ,starving, ridden with sickness and diseases.
NOT unlike the folks there still are today. The african people are now being used by the chinese in mines and such and paid little.Not much different than slavery.
not only are they used but are also being robbed.
So nothing really has improved,only moved
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By phart at 25,Jan,23 01:46 other posts of phart 
Typical democrat.
Thinks saying, "I'm sorry" ,is enough.
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I guess she has no idea that the state issued car was paid for with taxpayer dollars, taxpayer dollars will have to pay for the car damaged and the state issued car .The lack of use of either vehicle while being repaired or replaced and etc. Alot of aggrovation because she couldn't drive. NOT to mention, her walking away from a accident. Sad.
Does she walk away from problems with her job to?

By CAT at 18,Dec,22 23:04 other posts of CAT 
"A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America. Here’s why."

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By phart at 21,Dec,22 03:19 other posts of phart 
so have you thrown your rosery away as well?
By CAT at 21,Dec,22 14:31 other posts of CAT 
Phart I'm going to copy/paste this and then I'll make it revelant.
The Roman Catholic devotion of praying the Rosary is not a part of the Orthodox Christian Tradition, as this devotion in its present form dates from about the 15th century—hundreds of years after Roman Catholicism separated herself from the Orthodox Church.

I am Russian Orthodox Catholic. My Grandmother came from Russia. Around 1000AD, the Roman Catholics broke with the Orthodox Catholics. About 400 yrs later, in the fifteenth century, praying the rosary became popular and prevelent in the ROMAN Catholic church. We, Orthodox Catholics never did use it. So, in answer to your question, I never had one to throw away.
By leopoldij at 10,Jan,23 17:53 other posts of leopoldij 
I still do not understand the branch of christianity you associate yourself with. You mention "Russian Orthodox Catholic". By this, I suspect, you mean that you do not associated yourself with the Russian Orthodox church, the one that was started in 988 when Vladimir I Sviatoslavich was so impressed by the Patriarchate of Constantinople that he got baptized and declared Christianity (that is, Orthodoxy because 988 was before the separation of Western Roman (=catholic) and Eastern Roman (=orthodox) churches). T

There is a small branch of the Catholic church in Russia (1/2 % of Russians are Catholic), but you seem to be neither Orthodox -- as explained in the first paragraph -- nor Catholic.

There are, of course, hundreds of branches of christianity nowadays, and new ones pop up frquently, so I may just be ignorant about the existence of the "Russian Orthodox Catholic" branch. (According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity only registered users can see external links there are 45,000 branches.) A quick search on the Internet revealed nothing a propos your denomination.

Just wondering, I'm curious.
By CAT at 11,Jan,23 12:07 other posts of CAT 
Vladimir the Great or Vladimir Sviatoslavich the Great, ruled Kievan Rus' from 980 to 1015 and is famous for Christianizing this territory during his reign.
Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Catholicism ( centered in Constantinople) tenuously co-existed during the first thousand years or so. Around 1040 AD, they split up ( called the Great Schism).
A few years before, in the 10th century, Vladimir Sviatoslavich the Great (who ruled Kievan Rus' from 980 to 1015) is famous for Christianizing this territory during his reign for political reasons. When the split occured, this part of Christianity remained part of the Eastern Orthodox Catholicism. Russian and Greek Orthodox Catholicism are two sects of the same Christian Orthodox religion. The correct name is Eastern Orthodox Catholics. The Russian Orthodox Church was established in Russia, hence, the name. I belong to the Russian Orthodox Catholic church because of birth. Like all other religions, small sects practice unique rights and have slightly different beliefs in the operation of the sect, but, not the main RELIGIOUS Beliefs.
By leopoldij at 11,Jan,23 13:43 other posts of leopoldij 
Thanks. I actually knew some of the history but took the time to read about it triggered by your messages, in wikipedia but also in books about history of byzantium and Russia.

So the answer is that Russian Orthodox Catholic is the same as what is more commonly known as Russian Orthodox, that is, only registered users can see external links
By CAT at 11,Jan,23 14:39 other posts of CAT 
By leopoldij at 11,Jan,23 16:28 other posts of leopoldij 
Now I know *exactly* what you mean and meant.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Dec,22 12:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe you would be interested to see the discussion about this that I saw.

U.S. Christianity to Fall Below 50% by 2070 from Paulogia Live:
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By CAT at 21,Dec,22 14:22 other posts of CAT 
I saw something similar but in print.
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
By phart at 22,Dec,22 16:16 other posts of phart 
It can't work.
Greed is in the human genes,
You have more rocks than me,so WHACK I take your rocks.
You have a bigger drumstick than me from that buzzard Ug killed,I whack you and take your drumstick,

been happening for eons.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Dec,22 11:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Since you're only commenting on the 'Imagine no possessions' part,
can I conclude that you do think the 'no religion' part is viable?
Or the 'imagine there's no countries' part?

There is a lot of evil in human genes. Humanity has already conquered a lot of its evil. I have hope that greed can be conquered too. The first step is teaching guys like you to stop worshiping greedy narcissist bastards. Because it might be impossible to eradicate greed from our genes, but that's not necessary.
We just need the rest of humanity to work together to stop the greedy narcissist bastards from taking everything.

By CAT at 22,Dec,22 17:14 other posts of CAT 
Sweet dreams, but, impossible ones.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Dec,22 11:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's only impossible when people keep believing it's impossible.
And you keep believing, because the people who don't want it tell you it is.
By phart at 28,Dec,22 15:23 other posts of phart 
Pigs can fly? the impossible is impossible. that is why it is called impossible.
What seems really impossible in this world is getting people like you to stop believing that people who do nothing deserve the same as those that do.
With your mindset those that take risk and work hard don't deserve anything for their efforts ,therefore taking away any motivation.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Dec,22 15:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Read it better! The rich are calling it 'impossible' and you are falling for it.
You think it's impossible, because the rich and their minions tell you so.

When everyone thinks good things are impossible, it becomes impossible.
Just like when you think that you will not amount to anything, you will fail.
Low expectations result in low results.

It's just a stupid strawman that I think people who do nothing deserve the same as those that do. It's the other way around; you think people who do nothing, except for being wealthy, should get everything.
I think people who work hard deserve to have a good living standard and you think it's OK that there are poor people who work 40 hours/week or more.
By CAT at 28,Dec,22 17:46 other posts of CAT 
The expectation of becoming more should never be extinguished. Right now, in American corporate boardrooms, there is a conscious effort to stop workers from expecting better.............(fill it in). It keeps costs down and makes for bigger profit. Anyone... anyone.. that thinks corporations are in it for the workers, is a fool. Their view is that employees are a NESSESARY EVIL.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Dec,22 08:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Exactly! But phart wants to give those corporations full control over the country, because he thinks at some point the executives and shareholders will be wealthy enough and will start giving more of their wealth to working people. Unfortunately, the wealthy will never have enough and they want to own EVERYTHING and they don't like to share with ANYONE ELSE.

As long as there is not just ONE wealthy asshole who owns EVERYTHING, they will keep exploiting their workers, to be the most wealthy asshole of them all. Their greed is an illness that has taken over their brain.

Those are the people that phart worships like gods and wants to give the power of gods to. That's dumb, because to them he is even more worthless than the working people they want to exploit, to the point of starvation. That's why he doesn't get the healthcare he needs. They only want healthcare for working people, and everyone else to die quickly, because they only cost money.

But he has been indoctrinated to want those people to control his life.
It will be the death of him. But at least they feed his implanted hate and fears
of e.g. immigrants, transgenders and unintended pregnant women.

By XJacker at 07,Jan,23 21:44 other posts of XJacker 
The nightmarish value less, ant like society imagined in John Lennon “Imagine” sounds like the perfect national anthem for George Orwell’s 1984 state, or for North Korea.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Jan,23 16:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why? North Korea has a religion, it's worshiping the Kim dynasty.
You don't think they have possessions? How about Kim, he owns everything.
And maybe you don't understand, but North Korea is a country and they are prepared to kill anyone who crosses their borders without authorization.
How is that 'nothing to kill or die for'? North Koreans are dying like flies for
their believes, their divine leader and over his country and his possessions.
Your arguments don't hold water.

You just assume John Lennon was a communist and therefore he was talking about a communist state. He wasn't, every communist state failed miserably at turning those dreams into a reality. Maybe some managed to eliminate religion, but they exchanged it with other dogmas (=religion) and not with reason. And they definitely didn't eliminate possessions. The ruling elites just took everything from everyone. That's not 'sharing all the world'.

So explain why you think those are nightmarish values, without making stupid comparisons with authoritarian regimes, that don't have any of those values.
By CAT at 11,Jan,23 15:02 other posts of CAT 
Lennon was just one, of a long list, of individuals with a vision to help the downtrodden. By necessity, this help, as imagined or practiced, has to be socialistic. Long term solutions to better the lives of the downtrodden would take more than one lifetime. This means one has to rely on mass help from the government. In other words, a socialist state and that's when that big boogaboo, Communism, is thrown at the helper. Socialism, practiced in moderation, is very effective. Communism has never worked nor will it ever work. Humanity's mind won't allow it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Jan,23 08:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"This means one has to rely on mass help from the government."
That's what you think, because you live in America.
Socialism means that 'society rules', not the government. The government should only exist as a tool to share resources efficiently. It's shouldn't be the topdown structure that you are used to, but a bottom up structure.

'The downtrodden' only exist, because people are exploited by the wealthy,
for profit. Labor, skills and aspiration is not utilized effectively, because high profit requires cheap mindless work. Because of profits, people are forced into low-paying, low-skilled work, that doesn't benefit society. It just creates useless low quality products, serving mindless consumerism, hurting the environment, humanity and causing animal cruelty.

The 'market value', right-wingers are always talking about, is an affront to 'human value'. The large majority of the people would be much more valuable to society, if they are not constrained by profit motives, but stimulated to maximize their benefit to society. With a maximized benefit to society, there are more resources to share and with a bottom up 'government', those resources are shared fairly.
There will always be a small number of people who are not capable of contributing to society, but there is abundant resources to compensate their deficiency.
Most low-skilled work doesn't benefit society or can be eliminated, but some tedious tasks would still be required to facilitate society. Those tedious tasks are therefore essential and therefore the people who choose to do those tasks would be rewarded fairly. In a world like that, there are way less 'downtrodden' that society needed to take care off.

I don't care if you call that socialism or communism, but it is in any case not capitalism. Communism has never worked, because it was always 'top down' and authoritarian. Something close to the 'socialism', by your definition, works in several countries. The more that countries have that kind of 'socialism', the more fairly resources are shared. It's not because 'humanity's mind won't allow it', it's because the wealthy don't allow it. They fill 'humanity's mind' with lies, serving their wealth, keeping humanity down, creating 'the downtrodden'. Humanity and 'the downtrodden' won't allow that anymore, when they finally stop believing the lies.
By CAT at 12,Jan,23 15:25 other posts of CAT 
Still, Ananas, if you want that mass help, you need an entity that can massively help, ie, a government. That government can be socialistic and run by the people. If you think I, or anyone, can go out on the street and give low cost housing to those that need it, then, baby, you may have the right vision but the wrong way to do it.
Perhaps "downtrodden" is not the right word to describe the poor and unfortunate. What word would you use? And, however they end up there, the rest of us should want to help.
I've noticed you put Capitalism down a lot. Capitalism is what allowed the people of this country to enjoy a higher standard of living than any other country in the world. With all the faults of Capitalism, it's the easiest economic form for the average citizen to succeed in. What most people don't realize is that, by force, Capitalism has to have a good dose of socialism. Other countries have huge doses of socialism and it seems to work for them. More power to them. In this country it shows up more in rights and services to the public. We have rights in the workplace. We have rights in the services, too. Social Security, 40 hr work week, public hospitals, Medicare, etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Jan,23 12:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, not 'mass help'. We only need to 'help' people now, because they are exploited. Your government 'helping' is just a handout to corporations exploiting people, so they can make more profit. Your system is massively shifting tax-money from average Americans to the wealthy, who do not pay their workers enough to survive. They are not 'job providers', they are 'poverty creators'.
The labor of their workers does not go to those workers, but to the shareholders.

"Capitalism is what allowed the people of this country to enjoy a higher standard of living than any other country in the world." You're stuck in the 50's, 70's at the latest. The US doesn't have the highest standard of living anymore. Not by a long shot. Unless you are talking about the top 10%. The bottom 50% is poorer than many other bottom 50% in other modern countries. You just think you are doing better, because the media is not telling you anything real. The right-wing media is outright lying and the 'liberal' media is staying silent. There is no left-wing media, because the media is all bought and owned by the wealthy and corporations. They are all rich and want you to think what you are thinking, because it keeps them rich and the rest poor.

I am proposing a system, where all people organize, into what you call a government, but is completely different than what you understand as a government. It's a bottom up structure, empowering the people. Then, people do NOT NEED 'HELP' anymore. When people's labor is not exploited anymore, you don't need all that tax-money to go from average Americans to UNDERPAID working people anymore, because we share the benefits from the labor fairly. People wouldn't even need to work 40 hours/week anymore, because it's easy
to organize labor more efficiently and let everyone benefit from way less labor.
We don't do that now, because people's labor is cheap. Because people allow it.

That 'help', that you think is 'socialism', is neither. It's just a system to protect the wealthy, from the poor revolting. Socialism means people organizing, to put the power in the hands of people and eliminate that system of exploitation, which NOW requires 'help' for people who work their asses off. In the system that Lennon talks about, everyone contributes to a better society, creating abundance for all. Now there is just abundance for the wealthy and scarcity for everyone else. Because the wealthy don't care about people contributing to a better society, they only care about people working to make them even wealthier.

Capitalism worked well, for a while, to organize humanity to progress.
But it's a TOP DOWN SYSTEM. Every BOTTOM UP SYSTEM is better.
It would allow humanity to progress way more, but it would take away the power from the top. The top needs YOU to believe they deserve that power and that everything will go to shit if we take their power.
By phart at 17,Jan,23 17:11 other posts of phart 
Your system takes away all incentive to do any more with yourself than what it takes to survive.
Everyone is equal, equally at the bottom.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Jan,23 08:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Speaking like a true American; the only incentive is MONEY.
How about an incentive to better yourself and society?

What do you not understand about the term 'abundance'?
When the economy is not prioritized anymore to enrich a few selfish assholes, it is prioritized to improve the life of everyone. That creates 'abundance'
for EVERYONE, not just ridiculous wealth for those few selfish assholes.

Meanwhile, capitalism does NOT provide 'what it takes to survive' for a whole fucking lot of people. So what is your defense?
By phart at 20,Jan,23 14:33 other posts of phart 
How can there be abundance with people wasting the resources provided ,like those illegal immigrants in new york throwing away all the food and such? Abundance has no meaning when it is not appreciated, or worked for.I can't find the link but cat commented on it several times,I think it is in my thread about the illegals ,she calls asylum seekers, wasting food and resources.

Money is what is needed to better yourself.
Have you stopped in at the local store and picked up a new pair of pants and a shirt so you can look better and just told the cashier, "I love you and appreciate these clothes to make me look better " and walk out? No, you had to submit payment in money or a credit card that you would pay back later.
Have you paid your electric bill with a "I owe you" lately? IF so you may be walking around in the dark.
I could go on but the currency is what is exchanged for the improvements to our selves.
Education, cost money,not a couple dozen eggs a day.
a nicer home,cost money, not a herd of cattle.
By CAT at 20,Jan,23 18:42 other posts of CAT 
Phart, I guess you never noticed the garbage trucks that operate in every community. They finish the day full of food thrown away by every family. Why does it bother you so much that those people don't want that food?
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And, you are right, most people use money to buy products, but, that's the simplification of bartering. Let me make it simple for you. If I'm a sex worker and charge $50 for a ride, I'd get $50 from each John. Now, say, a car mechanic wants to use my "services" but has no cash. He offers me a brake job for my car in exchange. If I agree all is good. Now, can you imagine how hard it would be to know what each product or service is worth and how impossible it would be for me if all the johns are mechanics wanting to pay with a brake job. Money is a way to measure worth. Nothing more and nothing less.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Jan,23 23:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Always blaming the people with the absolute least, instead of the people with money and power. You have a very strange view about responsibility.

I imagined that you wouldn't get the 'better yourself' point.
I'm not talking about your possessions, I'm talking about your character, skills, knowledge and inner peace.
By phart at 23,Jan,23 19:53 other posts of phart 
A naked person standing in a open field without money will have a hard time getting anything with just character ,knowledge and inner peace.Granted ,if he applies his skills, he can barter for needs and possessions.
Lack of anything interferes alot with a persons character.
You would be grumpy if you had no living quarters,no food,no nothing.BUT if you had shelter,food,and other needs fullfilled, you would not be worried,and stressed,so you would have a better "charactor"

By CAT at 17,Jan,23 19:07 other posts of CAT 
Corporations exist to make profits. If they exploit people, that's just a byproduct of the system. They are "poverty creators" only if we don't regulate them. Labor is what a worker trades (sells) for his personal profit. Like any other commodity, labor is regulated by supply and demand. If enough workers are willing to sell his labor cheap, than all other workers have to settle because, on an individual basis, they don't have the power of the group. That's why a government and a union is needed. You are right that, in the last 50 yrs, workers have lost ground at the expense of the corporate stock holders. I blame it on people like Phart that equate fighting the trend is socialistic or Communistic. They have been fed a bunch of lies. A decent minimum wage, and good working conditions are a must for people to have a decent life. But, baby, that is not nearly enough. Making enough to buy a house doesn't mean much if there are no houses to buy. Being able to satisfy your hunger means crap if there's not enough bread loafs in the supermarket shelf. Nothing matters if you are dying and no doctor will touch you without insurance. All of these and many, many, more, are things we take for granted in my country. I was looking at all those "other" countries whose standard of living is better than ours. Look it over again, baby. Yes, they are #1 at this and that. Their people are "happy" because they have sooo much more now, but, what about before? I'm 71 and my whole life, my family had good homes, cars, all types of appliances, available medicines, the latest medical advances, we went on vacations, had relatively free education, our markets are huge and most of the time there was an abundance of food. You know why? It's because our capitalistic system has kept us ENSLAVED to feed the furnaces of greed.
I'm not being naive. We do have our share of problems and we are working on them. The absolute biggest problem is the big fuchup called the Federal Government. It's supposed to be "by the people, for the people". That last part is what we have to work on.

Discrimination. In May, a petition signed by 55,913 people to repeal the discriminatory law “L38” on social housing was discussed in parliament, but the law remained in force. ...
Refugees' and migrants' rights. ...
Women's and girls' rights. ...
Right to privacy. ...
Corporate accountability.
According to a study of Caritas3, there are about 250,000 working poor in Switzerland (4.7% of the active population). Today, Switzerland occupies a leading place among countries with the greatest social disparities.
Because Norway does not have a minimum wage, there is no mandatory minimum rate of pay for workers in Norway. Pay rates must be agreed upon directly with the employer through collective bargaining or other means of negotiating a fair living wage.
I can go on, but, you get the idea. Not one country has a lock on what is the very best for it's people. The very best country when it comes to the standard of living is Canada. You know what separates the US and Canada? An un-policed frontier and......................
something you believe to be anathema to the good of the people................. a better working government.

I love my country. I would not live anywhere else. I know we have problems and everyone has to work at solving them, but, baby, right now, I'm here to stay.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Jan,23 17:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Corporations exist to make profits. If they exploit people, that's just a byproduct of the system." It's not a byproduct, it's the main result of the system. And your system allows the corporations control over the government who should regulate them, because Republicans legalized bribery.

"labor is regulated by supply and demand. If enough workers are willing to sell his labor cheap, than all other workers have to settle" The system of supply and demand only works, until the market is monopolized. Employers have formed a cartel that has almost complete power over the government, monopolizing the demand of labor. Unions have been almost destroyed, because the government bows to the will of the employers, fucking over the employees. Even the FED is raising interest rates, with the full intent to create unemployment, so employees will stay nice and desperate, keeping wages low. Does this make you understand that the whole system is set up to keep most people poor and labor cheap, so that the owners and shareholders can sit on their ass, making lots of money from the labor of workers.

"Making enough to buy a house doesn't mean much if there are no houses to buy" That's because housing is not a human right, being provided by all the people working together, but a market making a few people very wealthy.

"Being able to satisfy your hunger means crap if there's not enough bread loafs in the supermarket shelf" The production of enough food is just such a low bar for our level of human development to provide. That should have been completely eliminated as a problem by now. Food is one of the first necessities of life and society has outsourced that to people making lots of money from making cheap factory garbage that clogs our veins and just provides customers for big pharma, selling us heart decease and diabetes drugs.

A government "by the people, for the people" is exactly what the Socialist Party, I am a member of, is all about. It is the most democratic party in my country and has the most member participation of all parties in my country.
I see them say and do exactly, everything they promise in the party program and that party program is fully based on the combined voice of their members. All party heads are just one vote away from being replaced, if they not live up to the expectations of the members.
By phart at 20,Jan,23 14:25 other posts of phart 
""Making enough to buy a house doesn't mean much if there are no houses to buy" That's because housing is not a human right, being provided by all the people working together, but a market making a few people very wealthy."

Borrowing this quote which is created by both you and cat,I have a question.
Where is the line drawn on what is a "right" and a privilege in regards to housing?
Ok so suddenly we all wake up this morning and all living structures are missing and we are left with clothes on our backs. The government comes along and says all housing is provided by us. and we all get Coleman tents.
Is that enough for the liberals to be content that myself and Elon Musk are neighbors in a tent city?
Housing is a "right" and not a privilege to some, but how is it right for me and him to have the same tent when he puts more effort into to making his life better than I do?
Why should cat be happy with a tent on the next path over from us,after working all her life for the home she has? All for the sake of equality or "rights" or whatever other term is used.
By CAT at 20,Jan,23 18:06 other posts of CAT 
Housing is a need. It's not a right, a privilege, nor something superfluous. We, humans, are too fragile not to have a shelter. Even the homeless like a good cardboard box. You are assuming several things. You assume that because someone has more money than you, no matter how he got it, he has more rights than you. Suppose he works all his adult life and is able to afford a mansion. That's good. Now suppose you win Lotto and buy the mansion next door to him, is that not right too?
The other assumption you are making is that I want only what's apportioned to me. I'm just as human as you or anyone else. I want that mansion even if I'm a McDonalds hamburger flipper.
By phart at 21,Jan,23 00:39 other posts of phart 
Yea,we feel like we need shelter because we don't want to be cold,wet,hot,and etc.But way back before civilization, humans found caves and so forth and somehow survived. So should we go back to that? Everyone would be equal right?

Wanting,and deserving is 2 different things.
And If you apply more effort of course you deserve more.If you apply little effort,you deserve less.
By CAT at 21,Jan,23 02:27 other posts of CAT 
First, humans are hunter/gatherers. We k!ll to eat and eat plants too. Early man used caves for shelter, but also to establish a community. It was an early form of civilization. It’s one of the reasons they survived. Fire was another. Why do you always go to extremes? Equal doesn’t have to be identical. My house is 20+ yrs old, but, it’s comfortable. It’s not a mansion but, I’m happy with it. That’s what makes it equal for me. No one deserves anything. You get what life gives you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Jan,23 17:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"No one deserves anything."
I disagree; just by being a person, you deserve to live
and if life is unbearable, without remedy, you deserve the right to end it.

Why even have 'human rights' or the 'bill of rights'
if 'no one deserves anything'?

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By CAT at 23,Jan,23 18:25 other posts of CAT 
Life occurs. How I don't know, but, it happens. Being alive I have to live it. I don't deserve to live it or end it. WANTING life to be enjoyable is the reason for defining and wanting human rights and putting some of those rights on paper.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Jan,23 19:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe you have an other idea about the meaning of 'deserving'.
Might there be some negative connotation attached to it in the US?

To me 'deserving' means exactly the same as 'having the right to'.
You have the right to live. Just because you are a person and explicitly by law.
Your laws might differ with mine, on the right to end your life, but in my opinion, you don't HAVE TO live. Your life is yours and yours alone. You have a right to it and you should have the right to end it.

I also consider human rights 'absolute' (for as far as rights or morality can be absolute). Even if the laws of the land do not define those rights, I still think you have, or should have, them. They are more than words on paper, they are what you 'deserve'.
By phart at 23,Jan,23 19:59 other posts of phart 
"do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)."

What is the true meaning of right?
noun. 1. : qualities (such as adherence to duty or obedience to lawful authority) that together constitute the ideal of moral propriety or merit moral approval. : something to which one has a just claim: such as. : the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled.

Um, I see words in those definitions like privilege ,reward adherence.
Nothing about if you fall out of your mother and hit your head you have the right to sue the manufacture of the floor covering, builder ,owner, and etc. for a example.
Our rights are "earned" because we were born here.
What we deserve is based on our actions and etc.

The bill of rights in the US is something that gives the Natural Born CITIZENS of the USA Rights for simply being born here.

By CAT at 23,Jan,23 21:50 other posts of CAT 
I consider someone deserving as someone having good qualities that deserve praise, support, etc. Other words are: commendable, fitting, admirable, due, estimable, laudable, needy, praiseworthy. None, of these, has any bearing on my birth..........or my death, for that matter. At my birth, my society bestows upon me "the right to life and to live it in a peaceful way with certain unalienable right as expressed in my society's national Constitution. I may claim more rights because, well, I'm a sentient being with my own ideas. One, of these, is what I consider my right to die, as a see fit, when suffering the cruelties of disease with no chance of living a normal life. I also believe that the rights I enjoy should be enjoyed by all. I don't believe these rights are deserved by all. This is where morality comes into play. A Hitler or Stalin or any mass murderer or the like should not deserve these rights.

By leopoldij at 29,Dec,22 01:41 other posts of leopoldij 
I've no access to this article. Can you make it available in a different way please? Looks very interesting.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Dec,22 09:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A similar news article was just released in The Netherlands.
Exactly half of Dutch people call themselves non-believers now.
The religious are down from 55% in 2010.
Still, only 16% of people visited a house of worship at least once a month.
The biggest group of believers are still Catholics, but they are also the fastest secularizing group of believers.

I was actually surprised that only 50% of Dutch people call themselves non-believers.
We are only at 20th place in the world.
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I really hope we can get that down faster. I just 'pray' to science that we can conquer
all the other misinformation, that people seem to want in return for losing religion.
Some people just don't want to embrace reality.
By leopoldij at 19,Jan,23 23:36 other posts of leopoldij 
When you talk about socialism you're making phart and all extreme right wing totalitarian reactionist non-thinking slaves of the capitalist society upset. Be nice.
By phart at 20,Jan,23 01:39 other posts of phart 
Yea and you are getting all giggly and drooling.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Jan,23 07:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Actually the post, you are now replying to, was not about socialism, but about religion and the decline of it. It was also not about capitalism. However, in America, capitalism is a religion. Also the reference to John Lennon's song Imagine was also more about freedom from religion, for me. Funny how some right-wingers are even more upset about the idea of equality, than about atheism.
It just shows that the religion of capitalism runs even deeper than Christianity.
Money is GOD, even for the people who have almost none of it. That's very sad.

Religion is a useful tool to make people believe everything, old, gray men tell them.
Which is also good for maintaining their belief in capitalism.
It even turns people like Elon Musk in Jesus himself.

Besides that, socialism is not related to atheism at all. The socialist party is very much in favor of freedom of religion. It's just consistent in that freedom. Christianity shouldn't get any more freedom, than any other religion or the lack of religion. Religion is a private matter and shouldn't affect anyone else, because that would affect other's freedom of religion, or freedom FROM religion.
Off course, socialism does want to destroy the religion of capitalism.
Because it affects everyone's freedom negatively. Therefore it must go.
By leopoldij at 20,Jan,23 10:19 other posts of leopoldij 
That's right. People like phart believe in money (in other people's money because they typically aren't rich themselves) as if money were god. And, exactly like religion, even though they're fucked up, they believe more and more.
By phart at 21,Jan,23 00:43 other posts of phart 
I can't figure out for the life of me how you survive without money or something to exchange for whatever it is you want or need.
Not a matter of "believing" in money, it is a matter of understanding life requires it. AND requires effort to acquire it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Jan,23 15:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Money only supports your life, it's not the goal of life.
If you make money your main goal in life, you stop living.
My 'socialist' goal is to make money less important to support all our lives,
so we can actually really LIVE.

It shouldn't take this much of an effort to support our lives.
Lots of people are working harder to support their lives, than cavemen ever did.
Humanity has progressed too much, for surviving to cost this much effort.
It would already be progress, if you ever understood that.

By CAT at 23,Jan,23 16:39 other posts of CAT 
No, life is to live it and what you don't want is to waste your life. How you do it is your business, but, being a beachbum is as important to the beachbum as making money is to someone else. We have gotten so indoctrinated in the concept of work for money to buy what we want that we forget that it is a choice. A fisherman or a hunter does not need money. They just need a skill and to practice that skill.

By CAT at 23,Jan,23 16:29 other posts of CAT 
Leo, you must excuse him. In a society where a good life costs filthy lucre to achieve, money, dinero, green stuff is venerated. I see your point, but, in a lifetime with a finite ending of 70 yrs or so, I, too, am in want of that commodity that lets me be happier. Am I selling out? Yeah, a bit, but, I don't see myself as a Joan of Arc getting social reforms into our system. It is not my Orleans.
By leopoldij at 23,Jan,23 21:05 other posts of leopoldij 
I didn't make myself very clear.
It's fine for everyone to have some money to live a comfortable life, after all, this is the way we chose to live starting some 5 thousand years ago.

However, when I say that he perceives money as god is that he thinks that the filthy rich have the divine right to their fortunes and that he thinks of them as gods. However, he doesn't realise how many unethical things they've done in order to make such profits.

Nobody should have the right to handle more than, say, half a billion dollars.
By CAT at 24,Jan,23 00:50 other posts of CAT 
I see your point, but, since the system will continue to produce these ultra rich people and corporations, let's take advantage of it and make them pay a fair amount of taxes with no breaks

By CAT at 23,Jan,23 22:20 other posts of CAT 
We have to suffer this jerk for four years
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By phart at 24,Jan,23 00:37 other posts of phart 
Most of us in NC would LOVE to trade with you!
By CAT at 24,Jan,23 00:46 other posts of CAT 
I truly wish he runs for president and has to quit in two years. I'd gladly pay for his airfare to NC

By phart at 23,Jan,23 20:13 other posts of phart 
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"Some prosecutors and law enforcement leaders argue that the shift away from a more punitive approach for juveniles toward intervention programs and rehabilitation has gone too far.

Bronx District Attorney Darcel Clark, a Democrat — who once supported a 2017 New York law ending the automatic prosecution of 16- and 17-year-olds as adults, raising the age to 18 — now wants to prosecute more gun possession cases in criminal court."

By phart at 21,Jan,23 14:13 other posts of phart 
The truth is leaking out of the vault folks,
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By CAT at 21,Jan,23 16:08 other posts of CAT 
That’s the problem with punitive discipline such as suspension and expulsion,” Gonzalez said. “You get removed and then you just come back. There’s nothing done to reintegrate into the community and rebuild the climate, the connectedness, the sense of safety, all the things that we know are so important to young people learning.”

Traditional discipline has widened inequities. Black children often are suspended or expelled at rates far higher than white children. Research has found that these discipline disparities can have lifelong consequences for children, such as worsened educational outcomes and higher rates of incarceration.

What truth exactly? The fact that traditional discipline makes it worse? The fact that WOKE methods brought forth by liberal thinking educators are the way to go? Tell us, Phart. Tell us your truth.
By dgraff at 21,Jan,23 21:27 other posts of dgraff 
Pennsylvania is pushing cyber schooling hard and I think the kids get a better education they are running commercials on every tv station and broadcasting on the radio wouldn’t it be great if Pennsylvania was the first state to close its schools and go 100 percent cyber school poor just Will would loose his job
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 14:32 other posts of CAT 
There's much, much, more to going to school than lessons on whatever subject is being taught. Having a teacher guide a student in order to understand why something is the way it is and not just commit to memory is worth any amount of money. Another plus is that in an environment where other students are with you, a student learns how to interact with other people. Cyber schooling is a really bad idea and pushed only to save money. I hope the JustWill's of this world continue to be. You would not like what cyber education would produce
By phart at 22,Jan,23 14:42 other posts of phart 
Well the in person system is not exactly turning out angels either. Remember all the kids shooting each other for example?
Remember all the crime?
Somethings not working and it's high time the liberals understood that villages don't put out the best results either.
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 15:22 other posts of CAT 
Humanity has not changed in thousands of years. There will always be mayhem

By phart at 21,Jan,23 21:43 other posts of phart 
The liberal methods are not allowing ANYTHING to be done about the problem. The Problems are allowed to stay right where they were.
Why should your child be disruptive, attack the teacher or whatever, which in turn disrupts my child's education ,be allowed to sit right back down and there be no accountability?
the facts are the children being born now are of over medicated and doped up parents and have mental issues born right in. They will never integrate with society regardless of a punishment method. Kick em out ,leave em out and virtual home school them instead.
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 14:46 other posts of CAT 
You mean to tell me, Phart, you've attended school and never saw what you call "today's problem?". You think doped up parents are something reacent? You think students attacking teachers is something new? Why don't you ask Dgraff, a sexagenarian? Besides, you are dealing with a small, and, I do mean small, section of the student population. What about the rest? These problems are not because of liberal methods. The educational system in this country is as concervative as it comes. The concessions made, to change the punishments, was as a direct result to the parents. I remember paddlings were ok until the parents started to complain about child abuse.
Not to change the subject, but, how many children dou you have, Phart?
By phart at 23,Jan,23 01:37 other posts of phart 
None,but if I had any ,I would find some way of making sure they were home schooled or private schooled. Public schools suck and my childs education is not your responsibilty to pay for anyway.

By phart at 22,Jan,23 00:17 other posts of phart 
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MORE found by the DOJ!
Um, how long can the white house run with the umbrella over his head before it trips and biden gets wet?

"“took for further review personally handwritten notes from the vice-presidential years,”
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 14:47 other posts of CAT 
So far the DOJ has not said a word. Why?
By phart at 23,Jan,23 01:38 other posts of phart 
Well if the hand of your "leader" was in the cookie jar and you knew your job-reputation-life,were at stake,would you make alot of noise?
By CAT at 23,Jan,23 16:41 other posts of CAT 
Yes, if you have integrity.

By phart at 23,Jan,23 02:11 other posts of phart 
Here's ye proof,here's ye proof I tell ye!
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Here's ye proof that conservatives have a sense of humor!
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By CAT at 23,Jan,23 15:28 other posts of CAT 
12 people are injured from a shooting at a Louisiana nightclub

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It's getting soooo tiring. One more time. When will we get deliverance.

By leopoldij at 22,Jan,23 12:47 other posts of leopoldij 
I bumped onto this page
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showing women without and with makeup.

Well, in many cases I like them without makeup.
I don't understand why they have to hide their natural looks.
I'm much more attracted to natural and ordinary looking women.
By CAT at 22,Jan,23 14:19 other posts of CAT 
Women's war paint is for the pleasures of men.
By leopoldij at 22,Jan,23 23:41 other posts of leopoldij 
I know. But some men like them without the decorations.

By phart at 22,Jan,23 14:45 other posts of phart 
I agree with you on this.

Makeup has unhealthy stuff in it to.

And bondo as I call it,don't help some people regardless of how much they put on.

By CAT at 22,Jan,23 04:23 other posts of CAT 
Tomorrow is my friend's birthday. He's Italian. Happy Birthday, J.
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By leopoldij at 22,Jan,23 12:45 other posts of leopoldij 
Happy birthday to him.

Mi piacce la musica! Grazie.
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By CAT at 21,Jan,23 17:42 other posts of CAT 
Moon-Walking Astronaut Buzz Aldrin Marries Again at 93

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He's over the Moon. 🤣😈
By leopoldij at 21,Jan,23 20:41 other posts of leopoldij 
Good for him!
I couldn't read the page you sent, it requires an app and I won't download an app,
but I found the news elsewhere.
His wife, Anca Faur, about 63 years old.
30 years difference. Good age gap.
By CAT at 21,Jan,23 22:32 other posts of CAT 
Try this one

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By phart at 21,Jan,23 23:26 other posts of phart 
You mean you agree with marriage?

But on the subject, why even bother at his age?
By CAT at 21,Jan,23 23:30 other posts of CAT 
I guess he wanted to make an honest woman of her
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BTW. I married Charlie in 1971 and we are still together. We had some rough times along the way, but, here we are.
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By leopoldij at 22,Jan,23 00:07 other posts of leopoldij 
Of course I agree with marriage,
why not?
I also agree with simple partnership.

Even animals, especially primates, get married (have partnership). Since we are animals marriage is a natural process. It's great to feel close to someone and take care of him/her. The more one gives to another person, the more balanced he or she is.

As for Buzz, finding someone to be close to you at this age probably prolongs his life by virtue of the fact that he is loved and he loves. Provided, of course, that it is not a fake marriage.

Humans need humans very very much. Friends and partners. I have dozens of them, in real life, and almost nobody on the Internet.

By phart at 20,Jan,23 02:17 other posts of phart 
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the article does make it clear there is no evidence yet of hunter seeing the paperwork but there is evidence he was able to pass out drunk with in a few feet of them while being paid millions from the chinese.
Why is it taboo think something is amiss here?

By leopoldij at 13,Jan,23 01:31 other posts of leopoldij 
Time for pussy.
She's giving me a show here
and I'm about to fuck her

By leopoldij at 10,Jan,23 12:47 other posts of leopoldij 
My experiment has finished.
My intention in asking the question below whether you should shoot the 6 year old kid who's about to shoot you was in order to make you, American friends, realise that when you live in a dangerous country with more guns than people then guns can be found in the hands of everyone, adults, kids, good guys, bad guys and guns will be used to shoot innocent people and lead to fucking ridiculous situations where a toddler shoots a teacher. I asked the question "should she shoot or not" to see your reactions. In the end, you couldn't just focus on giving an answer per se but you were itching to justify the fact that the situation arose by blaming the parents, the upbringing, the disobeying the laws,... anything BUT the proliferation of guns and the fact the you've made your country very very dangerous but are unable to see reality.

Situations such as a kid killing a teacher a student killing a couple of dozen students and teachers, a church goer shoots other church members in a church, a policeman raids a random house and kills people, and so on, are natural consequences of the way you decided to live, by having guns everywhere and accessing them at any time.
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So, go ahead and shoot your brains out. Kids shoot kids and adults, keep the warzone like situation in schools. The point of my question was for you to see that the answer to the question "kill the kid?" poses a huge moral dilemma, a dilemma you find, and you will find, yourselves in because you have millions and millions of fucking guns.
So go ahead and shoot yourselves and your kids.
By CAT at 10,Jan,23 15:04 other posts of CAT 
Leo, I assume you are using “you” as the plural pronoun to include many people. I know where you are coming from and I agree, this country of mine has a huge imperfection and that is gun ownership by so many people. Please know that the loudest voices in this argument is that of the gun owners. There are many people like me. People that abhor firearms and are always looking for legal relief. It’s very hard to get satisfaction. The money and, what I call the “John Wayne” attitude is very strong here. In time I hope to overcome, but, it won’t be in the near future. In the meantime innocents will die. Such is our life.
By leopoldij at 10,Jan,23 17:31 other posts of leopoldij 
I apologize for the mistake in using "you" in a multi-pluralistic fashion. I MUST have excluded you (singular) and all my rational American friends, and, trust me, I got many.

The "you" in the above, was meant to be for the ultra-far right wingers.

By phart at 11,Jan,23 18:51 other posts of phart 
Leo,you remind me of a old plow mule with blinders on in a 100 acre field.
You refuse to accept the fact that the GUN in and of it's self is not the problem.
You refuse to accept the fact we need to at causes for the violence.
Your idea of a solution is to remove 1 tool from a tool box.

Many a cemetery is FULL of people who died from lesser tools than a gun.
By leopoldij at 11,Jan,23 21:21 other posts of leopoldij 
It's YOUR problem dude, not mine.
Accept the fact that you may have to face the dilemma
whether to shoot a 6-year old or not.

And, as I said many times in the past, I, too, would
probably have been forced to have a gun when every home
around me has more guns than family members. This is unique
in two countries: US and Yemen, except that Yemen is nowhere close to the US.

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By leopoldij at 11,Jan,23 21:57 other posts of leopoldij 
Do you understand what I proved?

(Forget it, I know you don't. You're just
an extreme-right wing guy with anti-democracy obsessions
and know absolutely nothing about how the world views
your country or how other countries operate.)
By phart at 12,Jan,23 04:51 other posts of phart 
I do not give 2 damns about what OTHER countrys think about America. If it is so bad,why aren't the illegals GOING INTO MEXICO Instead of leaving it??
By cody8789 at 12,Jan,23 06:26 other posts of cody8789 
Cubans hate the u.s also, that doesn't stop hundreds of Cubans every day risking their lives on rafts trying to come to Florida for a better life.
By CAT at 12,Jan,23 14:59 other posts of CAT 
Cody, not all Cubans hate the US. Most that do feel President Kennedy let them down when he called back the bombers during the Bay of Pigs invation. You guys north of Miami Lakes have a skewed view of them. Most that have been here several years and, for sure, first generation Cuban/Americans see the greatness of this country. What they don't understand, or at least makes them laugh, is why so many goofballs from MidAmerica try to get involved in national politics when they hardly know how their local government works.😈

By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 12:38 other posts of leopoldij 
And, as I said many times in the past, I, too, would
probably have been forced to have a gun when every home
around me has more guns than family members. This is unique
in two countries: US and Yemen, except that Yemen is nowhere close to the US.

By CAT at 12,Jan,23 14:52 other posts of CAT 
Phart, you missed the point. This country is a great country to emigrate to despite the problems that it has. Too many guns in the hands of irresponsible people is one of those problems. Other problems are fairly equal in most other countries. The abundance of guns is bad because of the reaction of many gun owners. If I call you an SOB and you own a gun, you just might shoot me. If I cut you off while driving, you might exhibit road rage and, if you own a gun, you just might shoot me. On Dec 31, 2022 there was 20,000+ gun deaths, 38,300+ gun injuries, and approximately 24,100+ suicides in the United States in 2022. Most people live a lifetime without ever coming face-to-face with a gun wielding person. But, we all live with the fear that it could happen at any moment. I don't react to traffic fuckups. Why? I don't know if the other guy will shoot at me. I don't argue with anyone in the grocery store, same reason, but, doesn't that take away from my right to live a peaceful life free from possible danger? If I was an "illegal", I, too, would want to live here. There's good paying jobs. There's health facilities, there are no roving bands of "paramilitary" goons going around stealing, raping, or murdering on a wim. All I would have to do is keep my head down and accept the odd instance of discrimination.
By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 17:19 other posts of leopoldij 
He doesn't miss the point.
He understands what the problem is
but he avoids admitting it.
So, as usual, he shifts the subject
to something else.

That's why it's impossible to converse
with phart. He doesn't know the way to do that.

By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 17:38 other posts of leopoldij 
You said EXACTLY what my all Americans I know in person say:

* Most [Americans] live a lifetime
* without ever coming face-to-face
* with a gun wielding person.
* But, we all live with the fear
* that it could happen at any moment.

By CAT at 12,Jan,23 15:40 other posts of CAT 
On average more than 1,500 people are murdered with a knife each year in the USA.
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Phart, are you really going to compare gun deaths with other forms of homicides? That fucking "tool" does more harm than ALL other forms of weapons. I understand that, as a partially disabled person, you would be at a much bigger disadvantage to protect yourself and because of your condition, you would be more of a target. I can see why you carry,

By phart at 12,Jan,23 16:29 other posts of phart 
"My experiment has finished."

I posted something and you or cat neither 1 have took a moment to reply. I will repost it again so you might spot it.
It was on another thread post so it is logical you may have just missed it not meaning to,
and it was also pointed to Ananas, another 1 that seems to think the earth should be a free for all chaotic place

Copy and paste,
Ok,I found a good situation here we can discuss as for "punishment"
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If caught,how do you ananas and others feel these men should be punished?
GIve them stock options in the company and a credit card?
20 years prison?
what do you think?

It just urks me that when i go in to this store I have to use the lowes card to save 5% then later pay it,or pay cash for whatever items i need.
And these folks just feel like they can go in and steal what they want.
IF there shouldn't be a deterrent to this kind of action, we should all be able to just walk in and walk out with whatever we want.
my visit to my local Lowes just this morning, cost me 73 bucks to get what I needed. there was about 3 women near the exit, 1 was hardly able to walk, so chances are I coulda made it out the door with a bag of bolts and a gallon of spar varnish but you know what? The fact that I could risk going to jail for getting caught trying to steal, deterred me from running ,or in my case a fast waddle out the door.
What is wrong with harmless deterrents like that? the idea works ?not to mention saves 1000's in court cost and material loss's.
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If you really want to know how I feel about it, I think they should face jail time, but, not a possible lifetime because of it. I get the impression that you equate deterrence and punishment as being the same. They are not even if they are intertwined. Punishment is what you make a person go through for some offence. Deterrence is what you HOPE some action will produce. Here's a real deterrence. If you are 14 yrs or older and you are involved in any type of crime, you get the Death Penalty with summary execution within six months.

By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 17:12 other posts of leopoldij 
People who steal should be punished.
Isn't that obvious? I don't understand
why you're even asking.

By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 17:16 other posts of leopoldij 
But you changed the subject again,
as per your inability to understand
that drifting away is a ridiculous

I gave able evidence of how the US
is so dangerous and you end up
asking what should happen to those who steal.
By phart at 13,Jan,23 00:53 other posts of phart 
I started a thread as to not high jack yours. and to me,the problems are related.
If no one commited crimes, people would feel safe,and perhaps the need for protection would be much less.
By leopoldij at 13,Jan,23 01:23 other posts of leopoldij 
Correct. So the reason that the guns in the US are more than people is because people commit more crimes in the US than any other country in the world.

Then we agree. The US is the most dangerous place on earth.

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By leopoldij at 12,Jan,23 14:34 other posts of leopoldij 
Oh my! Second batch of classified Biden documents found.
Political embarrassment for the White House.

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True that. It's very "coincidental" that this is coming up just as the Clown has to answer for his "embarrassment". One word comes to mind, " planted"

By leopoldij at 11,Jan,23 13:49 other posts of leopoldij 
Look at how British police does to ridicule itself.

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UK police spend Ј66,000 on 'woke' rainbow LGBT merchandise.

Nothing wrong about treating lgbtq people as equal human beings, politically, socially, financially, etc. But why does the police have to decorate itself as if they're taking part in a Brazilian carnival? That's ridiculous. Instead, they should focus on treating everyone equally, regardless of race, sex, status.
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There are two great motivators for new ideas, filthy lucre and vanity, most of the time. The first is self-explanatory. The second comes in the form of recognition for coming up with something new. Someone in the UK police department must have had a "vision" while having coffee. The rest is " I'm not going to shoot that down. I don't want to be seen as homophobic."😈
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one doesn't have to dress up as lgbtq in order to support them. in fact, it's much more sincere if you don't dress up. i don't believe the motives of the police.

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It would seem that saint biden has done something terrible with classified documents.
Well,when will the raids begin on the biden homes?
operating in a situation funded by communist china with classified documents??

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By CAT at 09,Jan,23 15:30 other posts of CAT 
A few days ago we learned that a 6 yr old took a gun to school and shot his teacher. As usual, all the tired comments about gun ownership, responsibility, teaching methods and home upbringing came up. I was one of those members to contribute here and in my personal thread. They say that you don’t know a person’s character until you see how they react to something so harsh and horrific. This post is dedicated to Cody8789. I’ve always liked Cody. He is sensible and gives an air of caring. He posted this in my personal thread and, I believe it merits a mention because it shows Cody’s noble nature. Sir, my proverbial hat is off to you. 🥰🥰

There are so many ways to deter a six year old, throw a book at him or move very fast at him, it's not like they have vast knowledge of shooting and hitting there intended target, I personally would not shoots a six year old, he don't know what he's doing and I don't blame him for his actions at this age, but I would react so quick that he would be confused and disarm him.
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Yeah Cody is a good guy with a level head on his shoulders

This is a case where a little teacher training would have helped the situation she might be alive today had she been properly trained
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She is alive. In stable condition
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Oh well that’s good may god watch over her

By phart at 10,Jan,23 15:46 other posts of phart 
I agree, with the kids being given medicine for mental issues and being turned loose into the classrooms, it may be a good idea to require training, similar to police as for crowd control ,de-escalation and so on.
For the wages teachers earn for just standing around talking and pointing most of the time,it won't hurt for them to have to get some more training to keep the kids safe.
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And I hope they are all CPR trained to

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Doctors, What's Something you had to Explain that you thought was COMMON KNOWLEDGE?
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Listen to this and find out how shockingly stupid people can be.

By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 17:25 other posts of leopoldij 
I have a question. A couple of days ago a 6 year old kid got a gun and shot a teacher who's now in critical condition.
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Suppose that the teacher has a gun too and maybe she should.
The kid approaches, pulls out the gun and is about to shoot and kill the teacher.
The teacher pulls out the gun and, being trained in guns by the school, she tells the kid to drop the gun. The kid, however, is about to pull the trigger. She sees his finger on it. Realising that she's shot to die, she pulls the trigger and sits the kid (who dies then or later).

Question: should she have pulled the trigger and shoot the child or not?

My take on it: YES. Since guns are allowed, they must be used when danger exists.

If someone writes a reply to this, please don't start a diatribe saying the it's the parents' fault, don't sidetrack the answer. The answer should be direct. Given that the toddler is about to shoot and given that the teacher has a gun, should she shoot it or not?

Yes, or no.

I say yes.
By phart at 08,Jan,23 17:38 other posts of phart 
sadly self defense in this or similar situation is justifiable.
I won't go far into but this is terriable ,a 6 year old in this situation.
We as the people need to know more about it to perhaps understand it.
By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 18:40 other posts of leopoldij 
Thanks for the direct reply.
We agree on that.

If I were a teacher there I'd certainly carry a gun and would have sought to be trained on how to use them correctly to protect my life and the life of others and of shoot when I had to.

By CAT at 08,Jan,23 22:54 other posts of CAT 
Do you justify shooting the 6 yr old?
By cody8789 at 08,Jan,23 23:27 other posts of cody8789 
It's so simple, here in Miami, most schools have metal detectors at the front doors at the school, you can't get in unless you go through them. The cost of maintaining the detectors outweighs anyone getting hurt from a knife or gun,,, charge the tax payers... Done
By CAT at 09,Jan,23 00:22 other posts of CAT 
That is true. Many schools have a one door policy too.

By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 23:59 other posts of leopoldij 
There's no justification except one.
You know that the 6 year old is gonna shoot you and you'll die.
You know that pupils and toddlers are allowed to have guns, responcibly trained of course, from a young age, by parents and grandparents because they must become free American citizens and there's no freedom without guns. They'll be told this again and again in their life.
You're obliged to carry guns while working in schools where pupils or other trespassers may, at some point, start shooting. You don't like guns, but you have to have them.
The clock is ticking, the child holds the gun.
You're trying to deter the child by using your sweetest voice and most kind approach.
The child doesn't understand. After all, online and on TV people die and are reborn. He's seen that hundreds of times.
His small finger is still at the trigger and you see he's about to do it.
At this point, you do it first.
You shoot and kill the child.
You've no other choice.

All that is possible and a very logical consequence of reality.
By cody8789 at 09,Jan,23 00:25 other posts of cody8789 
There are so many ways to deter a six year old, throw a book at him or move very fast at him, it's not like they have vast knowledge of shooting and hitting there intended target, I personally would not shoots a six year old, he don't know what he's doing and I don't blame him for his actions at this age, but I would react so quick that he would be confused and disarm him.
By leopoldij at 09,Jan,23 00:51 other posts of leopoldij 
I would too, but in the absence of anything, I'd shoot.
Since guns are necessary for American democracy, they must be used when there's no other option.

By tecsan at 09,Jan,23 02:35 other posts of tecsan 
This would be sad. Now this is my opinion only. Even if I had a gun, my common sense tells me to try and take the gun from the child. Without the gun there would be no threat. Sure I could get shot fatally or non fatally. Bottom line I would not shoot a six year old child. The child would have to be disturbed, distracted or even presumably to know right from wrong. I may not have answered your question, but you asked for comments. The child would shoot me before I shot him/her.
By leopoldij at 09,Jan,23 03:38 other posts of leopoldij 
Well, depends how you see it.
If my life was threatened and if I had a gun and if I saw that there was no way to size the gun from the child then I'd kill the child rather than stay there and have the child kill me.
After all, it wouldn't have been my fault that the child had a gun. Moreover, the school had provided me with a gun and instructions on how to shoot, and kill, were I threatened by one of these children who get hold of a gun and start the common massacres. The only issue here is the age of the child but since there's no age restriction of gun carrying children, neither a rule on what age children to shoot or not, I'd be acting completely within the law, making use of my training in gun shooting and protecting my life. It's all perfectly justified.
By tecsan at 09,Jan,23 05:27 other posts of tecsan 
There is an age restriction here, I believe it is 21. You may feel justified, but my gun would be holstered as I try to subdue a child. I guess if you are justified, then you are ok with it?
By leopoldij at 09,Jan,23 13:03 other posts of leopoldij 
Age restriction on what? Owning a gun?
Is 21 the lowest age one can legally own a gun there? Is that what you meant? Thanks.
By phart at 09,Jan,23 19:34 other posts of phart 
This whole situation is so damn sad.
a 6 year old wanting to kill someone at all is just sad.
BUT I do wish someone would find out what the teacher may have done that could provoke this? Until I know different ,i will not consider the teacher innocent totally. The teacher may have hurt the child, sexually touched the child? Who knows, YET?
It "should" be easy to distract a 6 year old and take the gun or escape or something but we were not there, we don't know what happened.
and the 6 year old could have brought some exlax brownies or other poisonous thing

By tecsan at 10,Jan,23 01:53 other posts of tecsan 
Ask yourself leo, how did a 6 year old get a gun?
By leopoldij at 10,Jan,23 04:08 other posts of leopoldij 
Of course, but the point of my question was whether the teacher should shoot to protect her life.
By tecsan at 10,Jan,23 05:03 other posts of tecsan 
Well now that you put it that way, I still stand my ground and I would of took the gun from him, maybe she tried. Do we know? We can Monday morning quarterback all we want and the outcome will stay the same.
By phart at 10,Jan,23 10:41 other posts of phart 
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I think this highlights a problem with our system.
WHY should a 6 year old kids privacy be protected?
Why is there any secrets about this?
How can the public make informed decisions without accurate information?
That kid should be grilled on prime time tv along with it's mother
That is a change that needs to be made. MORE information to the public to help prevent future problems.

By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 23:53 other posts of leopoldij 
Far-right rioters storm Brazil's Congress and top court

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Why does this seem like a dйjа vu?

All fascists and fascistoids of the world unite!
By CAT at 09,Jan,23 15:33 other posts of CAT 
Because it is, the Clown didn't start this movement but the Fascist movement is alive and well. Shades of the early 1900's.👿
By leopoldij at 09,Jan,23 16:29 other posts of leopoldij 
I knew it was a very disturbing deja vu. I was just expressing, once again,
my dismay at the rise of thuggism/fascism/backwardness in many places around the world that are supposed to have democracies (not talking about China or North Korea or Saudi Arabia. Those places are open dictatorships anyway). And your (sorry for the pun) ex president fueled the thuggish beliefs and behaviour and opened the path to many assholes around the world. He'll remain in history as the piece of shit of America. That is, the big turd that he is.
By phart at 09,Jan,23 19:35 other posts of phart 
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Yea, it does look like deja vu,
I wonder how long they will hold the protesters without a trial or medical care or etc?
Strange how liberals are soft on crime until they feel their little apple cart is going to be overturned then they go to dictatorship methods.
By CAT at 09,Jan,23 20:36 other posts of CAT 
Phart, put your big boy pants before you start talking about world politics

By leopoldij at 09,Jan,23 13:15 other posts of leopoldij 
This is funny! They send drag queens, that is, men who use over-sexualized clothing and makeup to imitate and often exaggerate female gender signifiers and gender roles for entertainment purposes, to kindergartens and schools:

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Children shouldn't be indoctrinated about religion or nationalism or sex at that age. I know jews who send their children to kindergartens to learn parts their "holy" text torah by heart. That's pathetic. In exactly the same vein, teaching a child that it is normal to dress up and behave like brothel mamasans is pathetic. All these things fuck up childrens' brains.

By leopoldij at 07,Jan,23 20:13 other posts of leopoldij 
A collage of various views of Mandy's pussy. I like fucking her. She's married, but she's happy to fuck. (Pssst... don't tell any conservative guy here, they freak out.)

By phart at 08,Jan,23 02:48 other posts of phart 
psst,if you wake up beat all to hell ,castrated by a angry husband, don't tell a liberal ,they might freak out.
By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 03:25 other posts of leopoldij 
Ha ha, actually her husband knows I'm giving her and he's actually watched us do it.
By phart at 08,Jan,23 17:38 other posts of phart 
sheesh, i guess the idea of marriage was for tax purposes?
By leopoldij at 08,Jan,23 18:42 other posts of leopoldij 
That is impossible and quite inappropriate for me to find out. Let it be a rhetorical question.

By phart at 08,Jan,23 17:36 other posts of phart 
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So has anything like this ever been taught in school?
A love everlasting between what was master-servant?

By CAT at 03,Jan,23 23:32 other posts of CAT 
If You’re Still MAGA, You’re Everything People Say You Are
By William Spivey
People who wave the Confederate flag may say it’s about heritage, not hate. They may have convinced themselves that’s the only way it should be interpreted. But in their hearts, they know how it’s being received no matter what they say they mean. When people say you’re purveyors of hate, that’s what you are and what you meant to do.

Make America Great Again (MAGA) in theory, is well-intended; what’s wrong with wanting to make America great? The problems start when you take a close look at “Again.” Ask a MAGA person when exactly again is, and you’ll never get an answer. They may ramble about certain values they think America once had, but ask them what they’re talking about, and you’ll get a blank stare.

Let me help them narrow things down. If we pick the Declaration of Independence in 1776 as a starting point for America and don’t count the years that had enslavement, the Black Codes, or Jim Crow, we’ve eliminated any year before 1968. So it’s only within the past 54 years that America has been great. Then take away the years of pay inequality, mass incarceration, voter suppression, and homophobia. Just like that, there aren’t any years left. What MAGA zealots mean is when they think America was great for them which is a whole different thing.

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By leopoldij at 03,Jan,23 23:48 other posts of leopoldij 
Of course, you know very well, that MAGA
fascistoids will never ever be convinced
by this argument. They're fanatics.
Exactly the same psychology as
suicide bombers.

By phart at 04,Jan,23 04:25 other posts of phart 
Damn,what a crock of shit.
Make America great again? anyone offended by that must not have a clue about what America was. After WW2 we had nice homes,a man's wage supported his family,cars were stylish,if you lived within your means you had a good life. The cold war,the Ruskys, were our biggest threat.
Now it is terrorism, getting sued for whistling at a lady and so on.
As for the flag , if I can drive around and see everyone else's damn flag and cope,they can cope with whatever flag I fly.
And why in the hell should i be forced to forget my heritage but have everyone else's shoved down my throat? We can all live and celebrate our differences in peace if people would just do it.
I would like to see America go back to a time when people read their books and learned from them instead of trying to rewrite them to fit their ideas.
I would like to see America go back to a time when people were born and knew what they were and accepted it and dealt with it instead of being confused and expecting me and others to accept it.
People are offended by syrup bottles and butter boxes.
Soldiers used to come home from a war and went to work. now they get on disability.
Made in America meant something was made with pride.Unlike now,when chinese junk actually last LONGER than American made! Sad.

I would like to see a time when people were not so offended as it was back in the 50's. MUch better times for this country.
By CAT at 05,Jan,23 16:13 other posts of CAT 
Spic, wetback, ni...r, wop, kike, homo, these are all from the 50's and b4. Where have you been?
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When WWII ended, all the women that had jobs where laid off so returning troops could get work. Starting with Korea, meatball surgery in the front lines of a war became commonplace. This created a huge number of soldiers that were saved but with a disability. Of course, those disabilities don't count. Only your type is a real disability.
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Jewish slaves didn't build the pyramids. ...
Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian. ...
Vikings didn't wear horned-helmets. ...
Christopher Columbus didn't discover America. ...
The Pilgrims didn't host the first Thanksgiving. ...
Napoleon Bonaparte wasn't short.

All these were popular beliefs in the 50's. Some are still believed today. Yet.....
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The Puerto Rican flag or the Cuban flag or the Pride flag or some other flag is not offensive to blacks like the Confederate flag. That flag is as repugyss the Germay Nazi flag and you know why. So stop being an ass about it and fly the Stars and Stripes instead.
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If a man's wages supported his family after WWII, then what happened? The US was one of the first countries to require a woman go to work to help support the family and that happened right after the second WORLD War.
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You know what, Phart? You have an idealistic view of the past, but, you conviniently ignore the truth or are just too lazy to do the research.
By phart at 05,Jan,23 20:44 other posts of phart 
Gee,I was raised by people that grew up in the 50's.
As for the disability comment, I should have been more clear about the type I was thinking of,the "mental" part.
Ptsd. Something that has been around before it was even named. But men MANNED UP and came home and did what had to be done.
THe women that worked during the war, had family's to raise after the war,so they still had a job. Parents didn't pawn their kids off to some day care. They did their jobs.
As for all the name calling,you didn't have to use the words,you didn't have to let them bother you. alot of people didn't and got along just fine.
By CAT at 06,Jan,23 01:02 other posts of CAT 
Ok, according to you PTSD is not real. Great, now we can tell all these homeless vets to suck it up and go to work.
By phart at 06,Jan,23 03:51 other posts of phart 
never said it wasn't real,just stating in so many words that it seems odd that for generations men came back from war and went on to live productive lives.Unlike now.
Why is that when we all know war was and is violent regardless of when it happened. Must be a difference somewhere.
Evidence from the trama of war can be found in letters and diarys of soldiers from the civil war on up for sure.
it is the way the men cope now that is different, WHY? my uncle did 2 tours in nam, came home and would wake up screaming in the middle of the night,he held a job and supported the family though. how,why? something changed .what?
By CAT at 06,Jan,23 14:11 other posts of CAT 
In 1980, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) added PTSD to the third edition of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III) nosologic classification scheme (2). Although controversial when first introduced, the PTSD diagnosis has filled an important gap in psychiatric theory and practice.Oct 6, 2022
PTSD—known to previous generations as shell shock, soldier's heart, combat fatigue or war neurosis—has roots stretching back centuries and was widely known during ancient times.Oct 2, 2017
In 1887 at the Salpкtriиre Hospital in Paris, physician Jean-Martin Charcot documented that traumatic experience could later lead to “hysterical attacks” that might happen years after the trauma. U.S. soldiers who fought in the gruesome battles of the Civil War were no exception.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is often thought to have arisen with the advent of mechanised warfare—think shell shock and the First World War—but the examination of ancient texts offers sufficient evidence that PTSD may be as old as the act of war itself.Feb 12, 2019
PTSD during the 1940s--This condition was nothing new among combat soldiers, but military medicine was gaining a better grasp and understanding of what exactly was causing it. What had been known in previous wars as “Nostalgia," “Old Sergeant's Disease," or “Shell Shock," was now appropriately termed, “Combat Fatigue.
What then is the reason for moving PTSD out of anxiety disorders and into the new trauma and stress disorders section? The main rationale is that PTSD often manifests with non-anxiety symptoms such as dissociative experiences, ANGER OUTBURSTS, AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. Sep 25, 2015
Brain scans show that PTSD symptoms and behaviours are caused by biological changes in the brain, NOT by some personal failure. Understanding the changes can also help friends and families gain a better understanding that their loved one's PTSD symptoms are not their fault.
PTSD is considered a permanent VA disability. The Department of Veteran Affairs recognizes post-traumatic stress disorder as a serious, life-altering mental condition and will award disability benefits to qualified veterans suffering from PTSD.Aug 9, 2022
When the VA gives an Unemployability rating for PTSD, it means a veteran cannot workead due to his PTSD. As a result, a veteran receives a 100% PTSD rating due to unemployability.

Alright, Phart, I could go on, but, this is more than enough. You could have done this research instead of blindly making unfounded statements about something you don't know anything about (sounds familiar in your case). Your uncle, whom you used as an example, experiences bouts of PTSD. That alone should have shown you that PTSD IS REAL and that it affects people's minds. Severe cases are not something one just ignores and pushes through. This has been know for ever but, only relatively has it been recognized as a real condition.
By phart at 06,Jan,23 15:57 other posts of phart 
never said it wasn't real,just saying it is odd that men are not manning up and dealing with it as they did long ago.that's all
By CAT at 06,Jan,23 16:48 other posts of CAT 
That’s what you don’t get. Men did not man up and dealt with it long ago. Depending on how bad they had it, they were able to cope with it, but, there’s thousands of cases where they caused mayhem or ate their guns.

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Jan,23 16:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In the 50's labor unions were strong, the top tax bracket was 91% for income over $200,000 and the income and wealth inequality was much lower than it is now. That was because of regulations by the government, restricting the exploitation of workers.
If you think America was great at that time, then you should strengthen labor unions, reinstate the top tax bracket of 91% and apply The Fair Labor Standards Act to raise the minimum wage to $21.50, keeping up with inflation and productivity. It would lift tens of millions of Americans out of poverty. How can a man's wage support his family at $7.25 per hour?

But you are probably talking about putting women back in the kitchen, reinstating
the Jim Crow laws and abolishing the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and the
Fair Housing Act.
By CAT at 06,Jan,23 16:49 other posts of CAT 
Ananas, remember. You are chatting with Phart. 🤣🤣😈
By phart at 06,Jan,23 18:43 other posts of phart 
well, at least you and him do respond. Some liberals are not "man" enough to back up their beliefs.
I see nothing wrong with the family being reassembled in a way that takes care of the children.
The man should make a wage that will take care of his family.
The constitution gives us equal rights, it should be enforced.and it could be without giving free rides to those that are simply to sorry to pull their own weight.veterans are a very small part of that group.but there are those that take advantage of the system.
As for veterans eating their guns, I know for a fact all these programs and benefits for veterans didn't help a friends daughter who shot her self about 3 days after that botched withdrawl from afganistan, she was there for several years ,and wrote in her note to her dad that she felt biden had erased all the military's hard work. Eating the gun as you call it has increased, even with all these benefits in place you speak of.Money can't buy trauma out of a persons brain. But giving that brain hope and purpose after the war will help it cope.and for most,hope and purpose come from being capable of independance.

By Gntlmn at 05,Jan,23 21:50 other posts of Gntlmn 
Well said

By phart at 06,Jan,23 18:40 other posts of phart 
$9.6 billion in economic benefits, along with nearly 60,000 jobs

lost,with a stroke of biden's pen.

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Since you voted for biden Cat,you should consider adopting a out of work pipeline welder.

By leopoldij at 04,Jan,23 19:32 other posts of leopoldij 
I was just reminded about Bolsonaro's behaviour after Brasil's presidential elections last year:

He did not want to admit that he lost.
Without evidence, he and his party claimed the vote was rigged.

Sounds familiar?
Yeah, precisely, he's friends with the other hard right wing thug.
They learn from one another.

By the way, Brasil's electoral authority
fined Bolsonaro's party for wasting its time.

Has the republican party also been fined?
By CAT at 05,Jan,23 14:10 other posts of CAT 
You wish.
By leopoldij at 05,Jan,23 19:35 other posts of leopoldij 
I do, of course I do wish that.

By leopoldij at 05,Jan,23 00:56 other posts of leopoldij 
I love my gf.
She allows me have sex with her friends.

Today they watched me masturbate in front of them
It was a challenge, but I gladly accepted it.
The result was an awesome evening.

So much cum....
By CAT at 05,Jan,23 14:06 other posts of CAT 
Go for it. 🥰👍😈

By CAT at 29,Dec,22 16:39 other posts of CAT 
you posted, "Inter racial breeding I can’t stand to see that"

I'm not sure what you are trying to say to me, Mountain Man. If you are implying all people south of the American/Mexican border are mixed breed, then, baby, you are as ignorant as I had a hunch you'd be. If you are referring to my African/American lover, Mountain Man, I won't apologize for my loving a good and generous man who, like Charlie, makes me so happy. Sometimes, judging by your posts, I wonder what your pedigree really is. Regardless of your poor showing here, have a Happy New Year, full of good health and happiness, surrounded by your friends and family.😢👿
By dgraff at 29,Dec,22 19:44 other posts of dgraff 
It’s a me thing I can’t stand to see a white woman with a black man but yet it doesn’t bother me to see a black woman with a white man I guess it’s a dominance struggle in my mind no offense ment
By CAT at 29,Dec,22 21:12 other posts of CAT 
You posted in Bella's something more offensive to me. Ok.
Your "this is me strait forward" seems to be a challenge to other people to accept you even though you are not willing to give others an even shake. If this is what you are then you are a racist bigot with a huge chip on your shoulder. Not that I care. If I'm going to chat on important subjects, I would not do it with you, nor would I do it here. You are what you are, but, I'm disappointed. When I friended you, I thought I had been terribly wrong about you. Now I'm starting to understand why Lix said the things she said about you. Oh, well, live and learn. My sentiments for you, for the New Year, still holds. 😥👿
By phart at 29,Dec,22 22:51 other posts of phart 
People like other people and see past the color.But if you really step back and look at the big picture,why does this happen?
Blacks try and convince us their lives matter but yet they kill other in the streets every night in big citys.
They expect their history and heritage to be respected, which is fine by me.
BUT when there is interracial behavior, both races loose their uniqueness, what makes them who they are.
And as much as most blacks absolutely H@te whites, it is difficult to imagine how they put that hatred aside to have relationships with whites.
The whole thing has always been a mystery to me.

By dgraff at 29,Dec,22 23:09 other posts of dgraff 
I went through this with Bella sometime ago every one on this site expects me to be some thing I’m not listen there are no black people with in 10 miles of me or Puerto Rican’s and I don’t stray far from my domain so I’m not around them and it doesn’t help that I had a grandmother that would rock me while chanting nigger nigger pull the trigger it’s different up north but you wouldn’t understand that it’s sparsely populated

By leopoldij at 30,Dec,22 13:45 other posts of leopoldij 
First of all, there's no such thing as race. Besides superficial differences, like skin colour and speech accent, we can't tell one's "race" through his/her dna. It just isn't there.

Second, the phrase inter-racial breeding is offensive, wrong and conveys ignorance both in terms of behaviour but also in terms of knowing a little biology. Whoever uses this term is simultaneously socially problematic but also uneducated. Also, there's no such thing as breeding between humans in a democratic society. Humans are free to mix as they like and no real authority (the state) nor fictitious one (gods) can tell a human whom to decide to have children with.

Third, if we interpret the phrase as I just said, namely, sexual encounters across people from all lands, then not only it's not wrong but it's also a must for the long term survivability and fitness of our species.

Fourth, I suspect that this Dgraff is a far-right narrow-minded individual for it's mostly these people who usually open their mouths and spit out phrases as this one, without thinking of how they could be perceived nor do they realise that there might be no way to support their veracity.

Fifth, I'm writing this for you, CAT, for if I try to communicate with the person who said this, or anyone like him/her, they would most likely not be able to follow simple English (or Spanish or any other natural language) if the sentences used in my response contained conditionals, dependent clauses, or were more than three words in length.
By phart at 30,Dec,22 16:37 other posts of phart 
Leo,if there is no difference in our dna would you please explain how works? How you can determine who is the father?
Really, no dna difference?
Well why aren't there more white people with large lips without getting them pumped up like the Kardashians for example?
why are there no slanted eyes on my family members if there is no difference?
What people do is what people do,but why give up what makes a people unique?
Besides if there was no basic difference ,then Intergration of schools and such would never have been a issue because it would have been that way for centurys.There are differences.

Why do people of color stay in 1 area while people of another stay in another area and so on? IF we were all the same then this would not be common place
Everyone born in China until the last 40 years, has eyes that most call slanted. People born in Africa until a few decades ago or a 100 years or so, are dark skinned. Only until ships came along and people mingled did the different features start carrying over into each race.
IT was not "natural" for the different people to mingle,or it would have happened LONG before now.
The way you view this makes us humans look to only be 1 notch above dogs instead of civilized beings.
By CAT at 30,Dec,22 21:58 other posts of CAT 
As for whether race can be found in our genes, the answer is no. Biological ancestry, however (which is distinct from race), is real. Where our forebears came from can be seen in our DNA (to a certain degree), but ancestry does not map onto race, not even close.Aug 9, 2019

It's on the net

By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 01:06 other posts of leopoldij 
You really ARE a racist and totally ignorant of basic biology.

Let me repeat what I said, and now read carefully:

First of all, there's no such thing as race. Besides superficial differences, like skin colour and speech accent, we can't tell one's "race" through his/her dna. It just isn't there.

Second, the phrase inter-racial breeding is offensive, wrong and conveys ignorance both in terms of behaviour but also in terms of knowing a little biology. Whoever uses this term is simultaneously socially problematic but also uneducated. Also, there's no such thing as breeding between humans in a democratic society. Humans are free to mix as they like and no real authority (the state) nor fictitious one (gods) can tell a human whom to decide to have children with.

Third, if we interpret the phrase as I just said, namely, sexual encounters across people from all lands, then not only it's not wrong but it's also a must for the long term survivability and fitness of our species.

Fourth, I suspect that this Dgraff is a far-right narrow-minded individual for it's mostly these people who usually open their mouths and spit out phrases as this one, without thinking of how they could be perceived nor do they realise that there might be no way to support their veracity.

Fifth, I'm writing this for you, CAT, for if I try to communicate with the person who said this, or anyone like him/her, they would most likely not be able to follow simple English (or Spanish or any other natural language) if the sentences used in my response contained conditionals, dependent clauses, or were more than three words in length.


Pay particular attention to the last paragraph.
You clearly do not understand. It's ok. Don't try.
Keep differentiating people as slanted-eyes vs round-eyes.
You're IGNORANT (the word has two meanings; you're embodiment of both).
By phart at 31,Dec,22 02:00 other posts of phart 
With all that said, you still have not explained the real issue.
IF we are the same? why do we LOOK different, sound different, smell different, think different and etc?
By CAT at 04,Jan,23 14:01 other posts of CAT 
Those are biological differences, but, as a group, we are all human. Think about this: suppose we don't let blond people to sit in the front of a bus. They are different.

By UnderCoverAngel at 04,Jan,23 00:11 other posts of UnderCoverAngel 
Bella is by far the biggest racist on the site.....says she is not THEN effectively calls me a nigger. She can't claim to be all good and says she goes to church I think she means KKK meetings.
By leopoldij at 04,Jan,23 02:54 other posts of leopoldij 
Bella knows how to hide the fact that she's ultra-conservative, but phart openly supports every reactionary idea in the world.
So, yes, perhaps bella is worse because she knows how to hide.
By phart at 04,Jan,23 04:15 other posts of phart 
No need to lie or hide,but I don't consider my self to be the world enemy that you do,your views are way off in the other direction from mine.

By CAT at 04,Jan,23 15:29 other posts of CAT 
UCA, drop it. She apologized. You don't do yourself any good using the "N" word in a public forum, and, the KKK? Really? 👿
By UnderCoverAngel at 04,Jan,23 18:53 other posts of UnderCoverAngel 
She didn't even remove the original post no I'm not dropping it. And as for an apology apparently she didn't even mention my name in that apology but was happy to when she racially vilified me. Bella is a hate filled, racist lunatic.
By leopoldij at 04,Jan,23 19:46 other posts of leopoldij 
Bella isn't just Bella, she's a Bella with an exclamation mark, Bella!.

By leopoldij at 04,Jan,23 19:44 other posts of leopoldij 
I suspect you meant Bella! and not Bella. The latter is a down to earth member.
By UnderCoverAngel at 04,Jan,23 20:24 other posts of UnderCoverAngel 
Oh Dam..... you can tell I don't bother with the forums much. Regardless Bella! is by far the most openly racist, full blown Klan member I have ever came in contact with.....drops the equivalent of the "N" word on me because I'm brown then tries to backtrack but isn't even respectful enough to mention my name in that apology and doesn't remove the offensive post....what more can I say....Bella! is a confirmed racist, someone told me she has Nazi flags on the wall of her trailer.

By CAT at 30,Dec,22 21:54 other posts of CAT 
Leo, First...🤣🤣....then, yes to all you've posted. I often wonder how, in a site that is primarily set up for the mixing of homosexual men and second, to the enjoyment of exhibitionist sex, there are so many narrow minded, misinogistic, racist, ultra-right members. Es una lucha diaria no mandar a estos burros a la mierda (Pardonnez mon franзais). Son Boludos con majuscula. But, I like the site and I love certain members like you. 🥰🥰😈
By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 01:03 other posts of leopoldij 
Pas de probleme avec ton francais.
Si quieres, hablamos en espanol. Es lo mismo para mi.
By CAT at 31,Dec,22 13:06 other posts of CAT 
Thanks, but, I prefer English. Using one's native language allows one to bring out the nuences that one finds hard to bring to a second language.

By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 01:10 other posts of leopoldij 
I do like you too. As I said, in you I recognize the Americans I respect, unlike all these other fascistoids and idiots. I've never ever met a smart far-right wing person in my life. It seems that idiocy and dangerous conservatism go hand in hand.
By CAT at 31,Dec,22 13:21 other posts of CAT 
People are much the same throughout the world. Local customs aside, a Japanese mom cares for her baby and family as much as a Kennian mom or an Inuit mom. Those values should be enough to bring goodness to mankind. Somewhere along the life of those babies, something dark and foreboding changes them. But, Leo, I've found that as a group, most people are decent, hard working, family oriented people. Race, nationality, or gender does not make any difference. That's why I accept right-wingers as slightly damaged human beings. 🤣

By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 01:13 other posts of leopoldij 
A propos los idiomas, I never understood why so many Americans have no clue about Spanish when Spanish is so much widespread in America and, besides, when it's such a beautiful language. One observation is that those who have no clue about a second language (such as Spanish) they can't handle their own language either because, for example, they have no firm reference point nor something else to compare with.
By phart at 31,Dec,22 01:55 other posts of phart 
English is the language we use as Americans.
THe need for other languages comes from the fact that people swim the river to come here and won't learn our language.
There is no need for people to know anything but the primary language of their country they reside in.
IF you go to another country, you need to learn how to speak to them in their language.
IF they come here,they need to learn english.
Spanish is such a complicated sounding language.I would find that very hard to learn.I wanted to learn a few words in German, the language of my ancestors but WOW, just a few words got to be tongue twisters..

A chihuahua is a dog. A Great dane is a dog.
BUT they are different on many levels.
The differences are what determines their BREED>
So Are there different BREEDS of humans since there is no race?
a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection

Human categorization
A race is a categorization of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into groups generally viewed as distinct within a given society. The term came into common usage during the 1500s, when it was used to refer to groups of various kinds, including those characterized by close kinship relations. Wikipedia
By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 03:18 other posts of leopoldij 
Glad to see you can copy and paste.
By phart at 31,Dec,22 14:54 other posts of phart 
Glad to see you at least read it to realize that, now why does it not sink in?????
We are not dogs,
Untill all the illegals started pouring in, I seldom EVER heard spanish unless it was on tv.
As for a wonderful culture, Leo,why don't you invest in a couple rental houses and let the illegals live in them for a couple years? Then come back and tell me they are a part of a wonderful culture.
They shit under the house, rip off the kitchen cabinet doors and put wire over the holes and keep live chickens in the house. When they are finally evicted they rip out the wiring and sell it for scrap, and leave the houses in unlivable unrentable condition. You don't live here in the states, so if it is not on your tv,you don't see the reality we do.
As for Puerta rico, give all those islands back to ever got jipped out of them during some war over a 100 years ago.
By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 15:04 other posts of leopoldij 
You have no idea what I was talking about. I talked about the absence of biological definition of race and you ended up ranting about people with slanted eyes and illegal immigrants.

You're a myopic, or even blind,
far-right bigot phart.
By phart at 31,Dec,22 16:57 other posts of phart 
Just because you and I disagree I am all these "terriable" names
I treat my neighbors right,do what I can for my community and don't cause any trouble.
AND 1 thing for sure,I stay SOBER.Not many this day and time can say that.

By CAT at 01,Jan,23 01:30 other posts of CAT 
You've been telling that story for as long as I've been on this site. I'm sure a buddy or a guy you know told you about it or heard it at some breakfast at Denny's from some right-wing tightass. Okay, some Spanish speaking lowlife vandalized the house he was living and/or being evicted. Because of that you believe every Latin person is the same. That is stereotyping people. And it's not true.
I live in Miami/Dade county. There are several cities and municipalities including Miami. The City of Coral Gables is one of the most beautiful and prosperous cities in the country. The city is over 57% Latino and white. The same with the City of South Miami, The City of West Miami and Palmetto Bay. There's the municipalities of Miami Lakes, Coconut Grove, Normandy Shores and many others. Every one has heavy concentrations of latins. 99.9% maintain their home in a pleasing way. They are, as a rule, hard working family people. Many are very successful and most speak English unless they are recent immigrants. They are a diverse group that come from everywhere in the Americas. We also have a large population of Puerto Ricans and Englanders. Do we have lowlifes as you describe? Sure, every city and town in the whole world has them and they come in all flavors. So please, retire that old story. I've traveled many areas of the US, and in particular, the Eastern seaboard and Southern states. You are mostly a collection of old towns with boarded up downtowns.
Puerto Rico has been part of the US for over 100 yrs. It's part of us and we are lucky to have them. Especially if they become the 51st state of the Union.
Tell me, would you give back all the land in the Southwest back to Mexico?
By phart at 03,Jan,23 14:01 other posts of phart 
It is not a story. just because you don't like the sound of something doesn't mean it is not true. The rental houses belong to a friend that has now came down with cancer and really could be using that extra income from rent to pay his medical bills.
The folks shitting under the house were 2 fellows a neighbor hired to do landscaping. they told him they didn't want the landlord in the house so they didn't report the plumbing issues and had been shitting under the house for over 2 months. I can't imagine the smell of untreated human shit under a house,
By CAT at 03,Jan,23 17:17 other posts of CAT 
So, what part of my post is not true? A story can be factual or not.
By phart at 04,Jan,23 04:16 other posts of phart 
i did not say your story was not true,just trying to get you to understand what I said is true.
Nothing to gain by lieing about it anyway.Why bother? tell the truth from the git go,if people disagree well so be it.
By CAT at 04,Jan,23 13:46 other posts of CAT 
But you are missing the point. Your story is true. Okay, but, it doesn't mean the majority of Spanish speaking renters, section 8 or not, are scumbags.

By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Jan,23 13:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Dog races are created by only breeding with the pure thoroughbreds.
And what do we see; those thoroughbreds are almost always sickly, malformed, short-living animals, suffering hip dysplasia, shortness of breath or constant headaches and bulging eyes all their short lives, because their heads are too small
for their brains. A lot of them die after a few years, from epilepsy. Everyone knows that when you want a healthy dog, you buy a mongrel.

Your ideas of a pure race a harmful to humanity. It's clear as day how those racists, who don't mingle their pure white blood, are already affected by their interbreeding, because they're all dumb as fuck.

By CAT at 31,Dec,22 14:04 other posts of CAT 
Leo, we are not Old World. We don't have the advantage of having multi-language neighbors. If you look at Phart's post below, he posts:
"English is the language we use as Americans"
Think how presumptuous it is that we, US citizens, use the term "American" as if we owned the term. What Phart should have posted is, "English is ONE language spoken by Americans. There's Spanish (of wich there are several dialects), French, Portuguese, and hundreds of Native American languages like Guarani or Navajo.
What amazes me is that the average US citizen doesn't realize that Puerto Rico is a USA protectorate, that it's people have US citizenship and representation in Congress, and that they speak Spanish.
By leopoldij at 31,Dec,22 14:16 other posts of leopoldij 
I do understand all that perfectly. All I'm saying is that Spanish, being so widely-spoken in the US, is a wonderful opportunity for every American (especially the racist ones) in order to understand a wonderful culture. Languages can destroy barriers. Personal experience. You seize to be against others if you speak their language and they speak yours.

And since you mentioned Guarani, I like them a lot, I also think their women are so good looking. Their music too. Listen: only registered users can see external links
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By phart at 02,Jan,23 15:49 other posts of phart 
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Here is some of the "Benefits" of another culture that we are having shoved down our throats.
By CAT at 02,Jan,23 17:07 other posts of CAT 
Could you be more specific? All you have here is a nutcase making demands of his family. Allah, Yehova, Buddha, or Christ are the names given to the same entity. Do you believe?

By leopoldij at 02,Jan,23 18:14 other posts of leopoldij 
I did say you're narrow minded, didn't I?
You just pick examples that are
convenient for you. I don't
like Muslim extremists and suicide
murders either, but that's nothing to
do with race fucking idiot.
By phart at 03,Jan,23 04:06 other posts of phart 
YOU posted that there is no such thing as race.
BUT YET, you just said muslim had nothing to do with race and you call me racist.
Just as I have ask cat before, how can a person be racist if there is no race,breed, or category's of humans?
And I wasn't talking about race,I was making reference to your reference to culture that you seem to be hell bent on being so important.
By CAT at 03,Jan,23 13:08 other posts of CAT 
Hey, don't involve me if you decide to be obtuse and are called on it.
By phart at 03,Jan,23 14:02 other posts of phart 
Well we have had a similar discussion and niether of you can tell anything other than some liberal flat earther style jibberish to back up what you all say.
By CAT at 03,Jan,23 16:39 other posts of CAT 
Phart, The world population can be divided into 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid. This is based on a racial classification made by Carleton S. Coon in 1962.
There is no universally accepted classification for “race”, however, and its use has been under fire over the last few decades.
The United Nations, in a 1950 statement, opted to “drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of “ethnic groups”.
In this case, there are more than 5,000 ethnic groups in the world, according to a 1998 study published in the Scientific American.

What is Race? When some people use the “race” they attach a biological meaning, still others use “race” as a socially constructed concept. It is clear that even though race does not have a biological meaning, it does have a social meaning which has been legally constructed.

This is not gibberish. When we say, “You are racist.”, we can mean to a group that is identified by color of their skin, nationality, religion, regional ancestry, gender, age, language or other ethnic groups. You use the term in a narrow way.
By leopoldij at 03,Jan,23 20:15 other posts of leopoldij 
He said "how can a person be racist if there's no such thing as race?"

Although the answer to this ridiculous claim is obvious, I'll reply.

In the same way that a person can be afraid of ghosts when when ghosts don't exist.
By phart at 04,Jan,23 04:19 other posts of phart 
Prove ghost don't exist.
you can't 100%.
Nor can I prove 100% they do.
I am sure we both have saw some weird shit in our times, that is not to be explained easy. At least I know I have.
As for it being a evil something or whatever,no way to know.but I wouldn't use ghost for that comparisson,nor aliens. Maby the irishman at the end of the rainbow with his pot of gold.
because the end of a rain bow is not locatable.
By CAT at 04,Jan,23 16:00 other posts of CAT 
Theorem-a general proposition not self-evident but proved by a chain of reasoning; a truth established by means of accepted truths.
Not everything can be proved by actual facts. You believe in God but can't prove he exists. You cannot say with any certainty what the actual value is for pi yet the circumference of a circle can be stated as =2 times pi times the radius. The normal is no one has seen a ghost.

By leopoldij at 03,Jan,23 20:12 other posts of leopoldij 
Let me repeat, so you have a chance to read carefully. But it's 99% sure that you won't understand because you're blinded by unconscious biases.


First of all, there's no such thing as race. Besides superficial differences, like skin colour and speech accent, we can't tell one's "race" through his/her dna. It just isn't there.

Second, the phrase inter-racial breeding is offensive, wrong and conveys ignorance both in terms of behaviour but also in terms of knowing a little biology. Whoever uses this term is simultaneously socially problematic but also uneducated. Also, there's no such thing as breeding between humans in a democratic society. Humans are free to mix as they like and no real authority (the state) nor fictitious one (gods) can tell a human whom to decide to have children with.

Third, if we interpret the phrase as I just said, namely, sexual encounters across people from all lands, then not only it's not wrong but it's also a must for the long term survivability and fitness of our species.

By phart at 04,Jan,23 04:21 other posts of phart 
This is all coming about at a time when people are offended by the brand of syrup or a native woman on the butter box.
People look for things to be offended by. IF you wrote off racism,it would be some other issm by the end of the week.

By phart at 04,Jan,23 03:55 other posts of phart 
Uh,Cat,you told me I was full of shit the other day when i said a 57 chevy would get 20 miles to the gallon.
Well,I stumbled over the orignal ad's for the ford Falcon wagon,that got 30 miles to the gallon.
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By CAT at 04,Jan,23 15:41 other posts of CAT 
That 30 MPG was a wet dream for Ford, but, I won't go to the technical. I'll go to my late Dad. He bought a brand new 1961 Ford Falcon, 2 doors, 6 cylinders, in October 1960. His best milage was around 17 MPG. Not that it mattered much. Gas was super cheap.

By CAT at 04,Jan,23 00:01 other posts of CAT 
House Adjourns Without Speaker After McCarthy Falls Short in Third Vote

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The GOP wants to rule the country yet they can't rule themselves.
By Gntlmn at 04,Jan,23 01:24 other posts of Gntlmn 
Maybe Gym will buttfuck Santos on C-span

By phart at 04,Jan,23 02:41 other posts of phart 
I don't care if they don't do much of anything the next 2 years. Just as long as they can slow down the runaway economy from getting worse.

By leopoldij at 03,Jan,23 20:19 other posts of leopoldij 
Time for sex.
I used to know this Asian girl long ago.
Suddenly, I met her again.
Divorced, 2 children, no partner.
I spent hours listening to her and
consoling her, and we ended up having sex
a few times recently.

Real woman, really sweet, real good sex.
I'm now supporting her a bit more.

By CAT at 03,Jan,23 22:11 other posts of CAT 

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