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Started by leopoldij at 07,Oct,15 19:27  other posts of leopoldij
So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the US. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the Revolutionary War to Iraq.

It is true that gun ownership is in the US constitution and it is true that most people argue that guns are not the problem. The problem is those who use the guns irresponsibly. If 1.4 million deaths occurred by, say, a million people in the US, what does it take to make those people responsible gun owners?



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By Godzillas at 24,Aug,18 08:29 other posts of Godzillas 
Here is a statistic for you. Chicago has the worst murder rate in its history AFTER they outlawed guns. When gun ownership was le gal there was less...
One more statistic,, When the nazi's outlawed guns to Jews then rounded up and killed 6 million of them.,
Gun holders that are l egal don't go out shooting people compared to people that are breaking laws on guns murder people. Not the other way around..
This is a Left Wing Political tactic to strip us of our guns then to control us and invoke socialism..
By Andthisisme at 24,Aug,18 10:52 other posts of Andthisisme 
'Gun holders that are legal don't go out shooting people' !!! Are you serious?
I suggest that you look at the people responsible for many of the mass shootings recently. Many of them legitimately held the weaposnt they used to carry out the massacres.

I ama also curious aboout why civilians need to have assault weaposn designed for the military. Surely not for hubnting, that would hardly be fair. So why?
By leopoldij at 24,Aug,18 16:01 other posts of leopoldij 
What you don't understand is
that many Americans are
utterly religious fundamentalists.
All of them have guns because they believe in absurdities.
By Godzillas at 24,Aug,18 16:03 other posts of Godzillas 
That doesn't counterdict the statistics I've posted in reply..
By leopoldij at 24,Aug,18 18:06 other posts of leopoldij 
I'm sorry but "counterdict" is not a word in English. I think that your mother tongue is Spanish. Let me know what you are trying to say in Spanish and I'll understand
Thanks.
By Godzillas at 24,Aug,18 23:58 other posts of Godzillas 
Is that all you have to say leo?.. It's slang but I will be more articulate so you understand... You have no idea what Americans are. You ignorance and hypocritical attitude keeps you from being objective so I will try and make me words more simple..
The country is big and is diverse... Europeans until recently were more mono-cultural than America but you can see that it is now under invasion by its own government.. They don't give a shit about the people there that paid taxes for many generations. Now they are just food for the slaughterhouse.
You have no idea why Americans have Guns.. I live here. We protect our land, property and lives. That is why we have 2nd amendment... What you are is a liberal but you call Trump a liberal so you don't know what you are talking about..
Any more questions?
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:38 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Maybe Leo doesn't quite understand the American way of thinking, but, I do. I'm born and raised in the good old US of A. You owners of guns own them because you like to play cowboys and Indians. You want to be the Marlboro Man, look macho, and show everyone what a MAN you are because you strap 4 lbs of iron to your leg. And, except in your talk, to show what a patriot you are, you tell everyone how you would defend this great country if it's invaded fully well knowing that the chance of that is smaller than if Martians land on the white house lawn. If you want to protect us, join the Marines and go to Afghanistan to support our REAL BRAVE men.




By Andthisisme at 24,Aug,18 16:10 other posts of Andthisisme 
The recent documentary series 'Travels in Trumpland with Ed Balls' illustrated perfectly just how alien to us Brits many American attitudes and perceptions are.
By phart at 24,Aug,18 16:29 other posts of phart 
Smaller country's,smaller populations over in Europe so the stats look smaller automaticly
.Someone mentioned Americans being religious fanatics.
I could not help but laugh as I aint been in a church except for a funeral in 30 years.It is my opinion you Europeans and others have way to much FAITH in your government and polic#.Way to much.A bobby with a billy stick or a citizen with a gun,which stands a better chance of defending you?
Someone ask why people need or want "assault" weapons?
1 thing you might consider is what gives the criminal the right to "outgun" his victims?
As I have said before,someone with criminal intent has thought out their crime,and intends to catch the victim,that by the way could be YOU ,by surprise. So to protect yourself, you need more or better weapons than the criminal.And you need training to use them so you can effectively diffuse the situation.
Strange how when I was in high school gun safety was a course we took. Now,it is taboo to mention a gun in school. DUMB.Of course we learned how to balance our checking accounts and cook and repair things to.

Frankly,I wish the antigunners had their own state or country to reside in so all the soft targets would be consolidated.The rest of us would be safe as the crooks would know they would be shot back at.

And in the country, there are alot of empty fields and backhoes! So keep your criminal activity in the "crook safe" areas please . Diesel fuel aint cheap!
By Andthisisme at 24,Aug,18 16:41 other posts of Andthisisme 
I rest my case.
By phart at 25,Aug,18 13:46 other posts of phart 
And perhaps your case was that things are different here? The world should not expect We Americans to be available to rob,r@pe,murder and pillage like defenseless sheep as you folks over seas are.
Folks over there give to much faith to their government and l@w enforcement.
There is no real evidence that gun control works .
Where I sit at this moment,if a incident occurs,I would of course try to dial 911. But regardless if I was being assaulted ,experiencing a heart attack or had fallen from the front porch, response time from any of the emergency services is about 10 to 12 minutes. Now obviously a gun is not going to help with the heart attack or falling off the porch,but if I was being assaulted, 1 bullet could respond to save my life in just a couple seconds.
As for the crook,fuck him,he is a crook.Someone who places no value on life or property and deserves nothing but putting out of the worlds misery.
By Andthisisme at 25,Aug,18 16:44 other posts of Andthisisme 
Do you or anyone else really need a semi automatic assault rifle to do what you are suggesting?
By phart at 25,Aug,18 21:23 other posts of phart 
How many bullets does the gun hold that the assailant is using against you? How would you know? Why should you be forced to have less?
How accurate are your shots in a panic situation? The assailant is aware of what he is doing,he planned for it,you are caught off guard and have to think quick.5 or 8 shots could be fired before the 9th hits home. The 1 thing in your favor if you are out arming your assailant is he is not expecting that.He will probably run out before you do if you have 30 rounds. Now if he has 30+ rounds, and you have 6, well,you better be cool under pressure and good stance or have a will made out.
And besides, some folks feel secure with a cell phone and a blanket.Some of us feel secure with more.No one is running out and telling the person with a phone and blanket to get a gun. They in turn should not be telling us to give up our security.
By Andthisisme at 26,Aug,18 16:33 other posts of Andthisisme 
Yet another mass shooting -in Jacksonviile this time - early reports suggest 4 dead and 11 injured. The shooter? A contestant at a video game tournament who it is suggested did this after losing a game !!!!!!!
By anyfun at 27,Aug,18 08:20 other posts of anyfun 
Just proving the fundamental point. It seems everyone sees it but fails in all aspects to acknowledge it. In all cases it's a person behind the act. Taking guns away will only encourage people to find another way to take lives. Example, heroine takes more lives each year than guns. Let's make heroine ****, oh my wait, it is ****. Yet, people get a hold of it and kills themselves.

This going back and forth on whose right or wrong is inevitably pointless as everyone has a point of view that opposes someone else and won't back down because each feels they are right. Again people will always find a way to kill another person regardless of means. Make guns **** and the killings will become more brutal and sinister.
By Andthisisme at 27,Aug,18 10:50 other posts of Andthisisme 
You do have a point and my FINAL comment on this topic is that the issue with guns, especially semi automatic and assault weapons is that they are able to take many lives and injure many people in an incredibly short period of time.
Virtually any other method of killing people takes far far longer. A crazy man with a semi automatic could kill 10 people in 20 seconds or less, to kill 10 people with a knife or any other method would take far far longer.
youar right though people have entreched views on this subject and are unlikely to change them.
By anyfun at 29,Aug,18 07:16 other posts of anyfun 
To understand correctly, guns kill people, not people using guns kill people? If this is the mindset, shall we not ban pens and pencils as they misspell words. Perhaps you feel we should ban computers as they assist stalkers, ****philes and terrorists to research, communicate and so forth? While we're at it ban cars because they get drunk and cause accidents.
My point is banning this or that solves nothing. If you look at human history it's filled with self created ****. Without changing the way we act, all that's done with be in vain.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:54 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
ANYFUN, you missed the point, guns have one, and only one purpose, to kill or maim, people or ****.. Pencils, cars, knives, computers and any other thing you care to name, have other purposes for being here. Banning guns will not change a certain mind set, that thinking where everything can be solved with ****, but, taking the fire arm out of the equation makes it much harder to kill or maim, and,,the victim has a better chance of running away. If that is so hard to understand, than, so be it.
By anyfun at 06,Sep,18 12:52 other posts of anyfun 
The point is if you place a gun by your front door with bullets next to it, will it kill anyone? The answer is NO. Guns do not kill nor make anyone. People do. If guns kill people, I own lazy guns as they have never killed anyone. People load the guns. People aim them. People pull the trigger.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 06,Sep,18 13:01 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
i get your old and tired argument, but, if that gun was not in your house being lazy, it would never be used in anger,,no one would point it,,nor pull the trigger. Next you'll give me the other argument,,,,it's for protection and if we outlaw it only criminals would own guns. Well, i venture to say that if a mugger pulls a gun on you and is ready to kill you if you move, you will never be fast enough to beat him to the draw. As far as criminals are concerned,,,send the cops to take them down,,
By anyfun at 06,Sep,18 13:49 other posts of anyfun 
I thank you for agreeing with the fact that guns don't kill people, it's the person using it.
I see the point you are trying to make. That is remove ALL weapons from the planet. I don't that any government will agree to that. Weapons have been on this planet, being used by law bidding individuals and criminals alike since their conception. Regardless of whom is allowed to have them or not, criminals WILL get ahold of them and use them on everyone.
Now, let's say the majority of people say the want the 2nd amendment removed from the bill of rights. There's your only defense of having the rest of those rights removed also. You no longer are allowed to protest, speak up for yourself, wear what you want, do (as allowed by law) as you want. Food for thought.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 06,Sep,18 14:03 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
you are right to a point and wrong almost completely,,, any change to the Constitution requires for congress to propose it and it must be ratified by a majority of state congresses. May i remind you that the 18th amendment brought prohibition to this country (banned liquor) and the 21st repealed it. The second amendment has nothing to do with right of assembly, voting, religion or all the other amendments. This is what the 2nd amendment says in the Constitution,,,exact words

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I think we both agree that the National Guard and the military can protect this country without any help except to get conscription.

I feel if we repeal it i would still be allowed to wear a bikini,,fuck the President, call my boyfriend a cunt and pray to the Goddess of love,,,

By leopoldij at 06,Sep,18 18:14 other posts of leopoldij 
You need a society with no guns and no religion. In both these aspects, the US is very very very very backwards.
By Godzillas at 08,Sep,18 02:22 other posts of Godzillas 
Look who's talking.










By talk4s at 11,Sep,18 14:23 other posts of talk4s 
cm'on Phart! By your arguments (I have read them) it is clear you are being driven to paranoia by the media. Yeah, I know. The '4th Estate' is known to do that because of '**** leads' kind of stuff. So, here is my question to you. Why not buy a Howitzer? You could just have the barrel protrude thru your front wall with a statement of your willingness to use it hanging off it's 'phallic' barrel. Include the clause 'Neighbors across the street be damned'. Just a little over exaggeration. Because your assault 'rifle' will also kill them. Deader than door nails. What an odd phrase for death...Anyway, let loose with your high powered assault weapon and you will likely kill people you did not intend...Schools cannot say 'gun'? Is that REALLY 'twue', phart? Or is it just a convenient argument you added? All tho, if ANYONE could censor that word, it would be schools!...Think about this, Phart. Correctly load your weapon of choice so the ammunition will NOT go thru your imagined attacker and then thru your house's walls...into your neighbors house...After reading your replies, I think you should not be allowed to own a gun. Sorry, Phart
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By Godzillas at 26,Aug,18 12:24 other posts of Godzillas 
What happens if the murderer has a semi? Can a pea shooter protect you? It gives an unfair advantage..
By Andthisisme at 26,Aug,18 13:06 other posts of Andthisisme 
I do appreciate your point of view, it very clearly demonstrates what we in the UK just can not understand.
By Godzillas at 26,Aug,18 14:06 other posts of Godzillas 

By phart at 27,Aug,18 20:20 other posts of phart 
May I be honest,and what I am about to type may surprise you, But I hope you never have to understand it.I hope violenc3 never gets so bad over there.But if and when it does,you folks are going to be caught with your pants down.And not in a good way.
By Andthisisme at 28,Aug,18 04:17 other posts of Andthisisme 
We have violent crime here and in London in particular at present. Knives, acid and yes even guns. We are no angels. What we don’t seem to get, other than in terrorism related incidents, are the random spree killings.
I heard on the news yesterday in the US there is a mass shooting EVERY DAY. I hope that is not true.


By leopoldij at 27,Aug,18 20:43 other posts of leopoldij 
There's No way that guns will be as uncontrolled in the civilized world as they are in the US.


By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:55 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Godzillas, you seem to be arguing from both sides of this thread
By Godzillas at 06,Sep,18 23:20 other posts of Godzillas 
Interesting,, can you outline what you mean by this? I am not agenda or politically driven.. I am morally driven.
Politics is a lie and so the one that can lie the best will get elected.. The most charm and convincing. Reagan won because the county was fucked up by Carter big time people had enough of him. When they tried to kill Reagan suddenly he started going more to the left with the Iran Contra Accord then praised the Nazi's.. This really pissed off the Jews. Did I support Reagan? Not really, he was popular by many because he was a good actor. He was strong but he was not the best president by far... Many of his base was disappointed but then the 2 Bush's were a total disaster...As you can see I am not Left or Right.. I want to do what is right... I'm a moderate democrat because it creates different ideas although I honor our constitution. In my opinion Lincoln was the best president, Washington was number 2.. I will listen to people on the left but it doesn't mean I will agree or disagree with them. I feel for what is right and fair.. I was born in America and I broke my ass here. I don't think its fair to support i llegal immigration because it is not l egal.. Why support it when there are americans that are homeless and starving?.. One's that come home from the War but are too injured to work because of their injuries... I will never forgive both Bush's because they are bastards,, yes republicans but the misrepresented ... Most of the Republicans in the senate and the House are a bunch of lying pussies.. I don't have any respect for the 2018 democrat at this point..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 06,Sep,18 23:34 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
what you think of politicians is your business. What I don't understand is why you say you are a moderate democrat yet h.a.te people on the left. By definition a democrat is a left of the middle person. I venture to say that almost everyone will agree and support you about i.l.l.e.gal immigration. What most object is the draconian measures used to keep them out. And, the cost to build something that will not keep them out. You say there are Americans that are homeless and hungry. It's true. So, why isn't all that money being put into a useless wall and not used to help these homeless and hungry people? Tell me,,, why do state governments building low income housing? Why do kids in school get such crappy lunches?? Why are people electing assholes like the current president and the majority of congress?? Why do they bitch when those fools can't wipe their own asses??? Why are the republican voters so against foolish dreams?? And one last thing. If there's an i.ll.e.gal person here that's been here for many years, he has paid all his taxes,the only thing he lacks is a piece of paper. Why not help him become a legal resident,,not a citizen,,just a legal resident????
By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 00:27 other posts of Godzillas 
All the way to the left is quite scary.. I'm a moderate.. dont' you know what a moderate is?
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 07,Sep,18 00:30 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
yes,, a moderate is a lover that uses a raincoat
By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 00:33 other posts of Godzillas 
Not quite.. a moderate is one that is open to new ideas.

By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 00:35 other posts of Godzillas 
You know ,,, if we keep talking like this people are going to think we are in love you know...
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 07,Sep,18 10:20 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
And that's bad, because????




By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 00:31 other posts of Godzillas 
So, why isn't all that money being put into a useless wall and not used to help these homeless and hungry people? After you protect your national sovereignty you then can focus on the poor.
The democrats are so far to the left it is not reasonable. They are liars and have no agenda on for the American citizen, only i llegals.. You are all the way to the left so it doesn't make sense I can understand..This is just going in circles.. First define a moderate and compare it to extremism..
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to protect us from invasion.. Like I said in different words.. democrats live off of I'llegals..that's how it works.. conservatives support the constitution,, rhino republicans are democrats but are worse because they pretend to be opposed then vote democrat.. they get their cut.. That's how the business runs.. There is only a handful of conservatives that are senators handful in congress.. we are outnumbered 95-5 the rest is liberal... you really have to identify who is who and you don't know
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 07,Sep,18 10:15 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I don't agree. If the borders have been open for over 50 yrs and nothing new is happening, then the problem can be left for another time. Help our needy now. As far as an agenda for our citizens, what do you call the running of this country? Who builds roads, run the air traffic, collect taxes, maintain the military, provide water and sewer services, operate city hospitals (like the one I work in), maintain social security, and a million other things?. And what the F u c k is "democrats live off of the illegals"? I am not all the way to the left. I am middle of the road, but, I'm also honest and fair. THis country is not getting better as long as that buffoon is in office and sweet, misguided ,lovable people like you continue feeding this perverse idea of what a government should be
By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 14:24 other posts of Godzillas 
Democrats live off of il legals..Plus minorities. Yes. There is some truth that il legals go into labor that americans prefer not to work but it only accounts for 5-10%. The other 90% are either free loaders stealing from tax payers, supporting chi l d sex trafficing or terrorists just like 9-11 where they only wanted to fly a plane, not to land it ! LOL
They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more

To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.

What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..
How does this document help "US" as compared to government? Why are the democrats furious with Trump which you need to have a clear objective as to why !!! Why is FAKE NEWS fake news? As you say,, PEOPLE LIKE YOU or people like me believe in justice and living under laws by the people, not to the people.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 07,Sep,18 18:22 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
GODZILLAS, you said:

Democrats live off of il legals..Plus minorities. Yes. There is some truth that il legals go into labor that americans prefer not to work but it only accounts for 5-10%. The other 90% are either free loaders stealing from tax payers, supporting chi l d sex trafficing or terrorists just like 9-11 where they only wanted to fly a plane, not to land it !

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Seems to me you are wrong,,,
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Godzillas, you said:

They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more

Despite financing and licensing obstacles, undocumented immigrants frequently start their own businesses. In 2014, almost 10 percent of the working-age undocumented population were entrepreneurs. In more than 20 states, they boast higher rates of entrepreneurship than either legal permanent residents or citizens of the same age group. These self-employed workers frequently create American jobs. Their companies also generated $17.2 billion in business income in 2014.

Wow,,maybe we should be calling them to come here
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Godzillas you said

To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.

People like you means exactly that. If describing a type of people and you are one of those than "people like you" is a proper identifier. If you feel it's an insult then you feel that your point of view is an insult.
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Godzillas, you said:

What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..

First, however you and Leo like to play, that is a personal matter and hope you got plenty of whatever you wanted from Leo. It's not my business.
As far as why America exists, it exists because people wanted it to exists. And because, in our country, we have freedom of expression, Hilary Clinton (you people really are fixated on her) has the right to write a book. And guess what,,,you have the right not to read it.
Our forefathers wrote the Constitution to establish the rules that a new nation would follow. A new nation that was breaking away from an oppressive one (England). That it has 27 amendments is a sign that this document is a living document. It allows our people (yes,our people who use the vote to elect representatives to govern us) to change it to fit the direction the nation is going.
And, finally, I am just as judgemental as you are and based on facts. Not "fake" or "democratic" or "extreme left" or "socialistic". Just straight facts.
BUT, I BET YOU WILL TELL ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S OK. EVERYONE ELSE WILL READ THIS EXCHANGE AND REASON (that's what smart people do)
By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 20:29 other posts of Godzillas 
Facts are what they are.. If you want to believe your facts as fact then so be it.. So why are you trying to convince me to believe in your facts? To me they are just simply rationalizations for propaganda. BUT now all these propaganda has lost the election for 2016 for you.. This propaganda is on the verge of complete collapse when kavanaugh is confirmed to the supreme court. This rationalization of propaganda will collapse when the midterms are over and OUT!
How and why you are writing these circular books over and over is your choice and right.. If you want to believe Hillary Clinton is the angel from G_d almighty then believe it.. So what do you want from me?
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 07,Sep,18 21:12 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Lots of love and cock?
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You know, like the other day?
By Godzillas at 07,Sep,18 21:57 other posts of Godzillas 

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Fair enough.. Sent you love with an apple pie to enjoy.. My cock for you to see...There ...


By TWOWARMTTS2 at 10,Sep,18 17:08 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 



lets get Communistic,,,sorry,,Socialistic,,














By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:45 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Andthisisme,,,all countries have their "personality" like people, and actually that is the reason for it. We don't understand why you hold your monarchy in such high esteem, or why you drink warm or dark beer,but, we can bet on the fact that you and your country would support us in a just and honorable enterprise. Why? because we, along with a few other countries, have decided to walk on the right of things, with, laws, justice, freedom, and friendship.
By Andthisisme at 05,Sep,18 16:10 other posts of Andthisisme 
That is certainly true. We have many times in the past and hopefully will continuein the future, to stand alongside the US in a just and honourable enterprise.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 16:15 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
And visa-versa,,




By jsmythe73 at 26,Aug,18 02:50 other posts of jsmythe73 
Maybe a lot are, but many are not. Estimates say 300 million guns in the hands of LAW-ABIDING Citizens. The VAST, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES!!
Not sure about the 'Absurdities' comment! Seems biased, and controversial, at best. . .

By jsmythe73 at 29,Aug,18 22:36 other posts of jsmythe73 
leopoldij-What is your basis for saying this? Are you really just TOTALLY slandering, and grouping ALL 'Americans' as one?
Could you maybe add some kind of profanity, maybe some racial slurs, to be MORE OFFENSIVE, with such an ignorant post, based on nothing but personal bias??


By jsmythe73 at 26,Aug,18 02:46 other posts of jsmythe73 
Once again, the WRONG place for this discussion!!
Only CRAZY FCKERS kill people and ****!! There was a mass-stabbing in China, a few months ago, and some NUT JOB stabbed and killed 9 kids, with a knife.
Maybe we need to "Proactively" ban KNIVES!!! We don't want that to happen here in the US!!
Get a grip, and post this biased nonsense on a relevant site like the NRA site, or 'Dudesthatloveguns.com!'
By phart at 26,Aug,18 11:15 other posts of phart 
Rather we agree with each other or not,this is actually a better place to get a better understanding of each sides views on issues because we can speak frankly and use language we feel comfortable with.
Most folks with common sense have no desire to kill. It is the nut jobs that have been allowed to flourish outside the insane asylum and reproduce that are the real issue.But the liberals just want to medicate them and try to understand them while they continue to kill with whatever tools are handy.

By Andthisisme at 26,Aug,18 13:11 other posts of Andthisisme 
In that case there does seem to be a hell of a lot of crazy fckers in the US.
In the UK we are indeed attempting to control knives as they have become the weapon of choice for teen hooligans and druggies.
However the difference is that a knife cannot be used from a distance, from the top of a multi story hotel to kill innocent people attending a concert.
By phart at 27,Aug,18 10:40 other posts of phart 
You are right about the knife and crowd below,I think that is why the European hooligans are starting to use acid now?
By Andthisisme at 27,Aug,18 10:53 other posts of Andthisisme 
The difference again is that while acid is a horrible horrible tool to attack someone with and can be fatal or have life changing results, and appears to be replacing knives, it does not kill in the same was as a gun - or indeed a knife.


By jsmythe73 at 30,Aug,18 22:49 other posts of jsmythe73 
Andthisisme, why do you, and others, say things like that?? Hurtful things, to those that were there, or lost friends, family, or just feel the disgrace of the failure of the 10,000 laws, we already have, that somehow failed to stop this??
Seems that there are two sides, in this controversy: One side says it is NOT THE WEAPONS, but the lack of enforcement of the laws that already exist, and the crazy people that steal, or kill, or illegally get the weapons that they use, to do these INSANE ACTS!
The other side seems to think that a TOTAL BAN, of all weapons is the only solution. If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!!
And, BTW, don't think you can compare other nations with the US, with regards to culture, and weapons/hunting. That's just BS! Cultural differences,alone, make those just stupid arguments!
By Andthisisme at 31,Aug,18 04:29 other posts of Andthisisme 
I certainly would not wish to say anything that is hurtful to anyone. I have said, possibly in another thread, that I had made my final comment on guns in the US and this will be my final comment on it here. I have nothing but intense sympathy for anyone who has lost a family member to any sort of gun crime and would not wish to hurt or insult them.
Your final paragraph really does make perhaps the most important point, US culture is totally different to that of the UK or indeed anywhere else and comparisons are pointless.
This is exemplified by this story -
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By leopoldij at 31,Aug,18 05:59 other posts of leopoldij 
Exactly. The incident is tragic.
The response to a goofball was shooting and killing him.
It could happen in Europe too, but it's much much rarer because people don't carry guns in their cars.
In The US it's the other way round.
Guns are everywhere and so they're being used.

I agree with many Americans who say: ban the guns and you'll see an increase in fatalities.
That's because there's gazillions of guns and bazookas in the first place.
They've been there forever.

The problem is endemic.
It can't be solved by laws.

The solution requires change of attitude and education.

For now, guns is a religion in America.
Religious people suffer from inability to take criticism for their beliefs.
That's exactly the case with gun owners.
You can say anything in the US, it's a wonderfully free speech society, except criticise guns.
Gun criticism, to Americans, is like god criticism to a religionist.

The problem is not solvable.
It will remain until that society collapses.
(All societies collapse, sooner or later. Iy may take 500 years, sometimes more, but they collapse.)
By phart at 31,Aug,18 10:01 other posts of phart 
Rememeber A musket firing at a brit to free our selves from their rule is how America got it's independence.Could we have earned our freedom with clubs?NO, because the Brits had guns!.
By leopoldij at 31,Aug,18 10:37 other posts of leopoldij 
Oh Sure.
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors.
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.

By leopoldij at 11,Sep,18 03:32 other posts of leopoldij 
Oh Sure. 
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors. 
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.




By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 12:05 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
JSMYTHE73 If I read this right, you lost someone to gun ****? Maybe yes, maybe no, but, i disagree with you.
If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!! First, we never outlawed guns entirely. Second, lawless people already own guns and they certainly use them to hurt or kill people while they commit crimes. If we do outlaw guns and some keep them illegally then obviously, these are people who are prone to lawlessness and they should be hunted down to take their guns away.
But, right now, while the 2nd amendment is still the law of the land, how many people die because his neighbor got mad or the guy in the car next to him got mad? how many women die because they were unfaithful to their husband or boyfriend?
And how fast are you with a gun if a mugger pulls a gun on you??? Will you move to Florida where stand your ground laws allow a gun totter kill an unarmed man because the guy pushed him?
The BS comes from you with your poor arguments. Arguments that are old and proven to be false,,,,,not stupid,,

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 11,Sep,18 10:45 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
jsmythe73 the US is unique in it's culture. Every country has that and no two are alike, but, when it comes to firearms, there are few countries that match the history of guns like ours. The "old west" with it's need to carry a gun and to idolize the fast draw is well known thanks to Hollywood. But hunting is universal. In England they even have shoots where people go hunting in mass. As far as I can tell, andthisisme did not say any hurtful thing. It's just that a discussion like this brings out different points of view. I still not sure where you are on this. I think you are saying that weapons don't kill so we should not outlaw them. If that's your argument, then we should allow people to buy and carry dynamite, have meth labs in their homes, and allow kids to drive cars. None of those things, and many other things, "don't kill, people kill"
I was at a restaurant about 6 months ago,,this guy bumped a chair and the guy sitting got up and got in the other guy's face. He punched the guy that was sitting. That happens all the time. It's part of humanity. We control our hunter's instincts, but, in a moment of panic or anger, we react before we think. Perfectly sane, good people, in a moment, can kill. If there's no firearm, it's that much harder. Someone mentioned a knife, maybe you did. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to slice flesh in a fight. To feel as you cut someone like you cut a steak is not easy. A gun is impersonal, you squeeze a doohikey and it's out of your hands. Try feeling a cut artery spray you with the other person's b l o o d,,maybe on your face and mouth. I know,,i've worked in a hospital for over 20 yrs. All the arguments in the world will not change my mind. Firearms are not needed. You have your ideas,,fine, but, if you think that in this country everything is done by the vote, then let's do a national vote and the popular vote determines if we ban firearms or not.
By leopoldij at 11,Sep,18 12:44 other posts of leopoldij 
There will never be a referendum about guns in the US because people believe in them like a religion. There's never a referendum for
religion.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 11,Sep,18 12:54 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Leo,,it doesn't work like that. Religion in the US is part of our fiver.It's what we represent to the world. Guns are not in the same level. Guns, for all their popularity, are not a semi-religion. They are a crutch for insecure people, mostly men, to prop up their "MANHOOD". It equates to "see, i have a gun, so, I must be a tough Hombre."
By leopoldij at 11,Sep,18 16:41 other posts of leopoldij 
I used the word "religion" metaphorically, of course. I think that the gun guys love their guns like gods.






By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 13:10 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Any disagreement will be biased on either side of the argument. I understand that "pissing at urinals" is a more proper subject to discuss, but, if you object to this forum entry than go to another forum,,,


By 71andstillup at 28,Aug,18 16:51 other posts of 71andstillup 
The semi automatic gun that is the most common type of gun can be used for hunting but they are often under powered to that task.


The high capacity magazines are for when one is returning fire on a threat.

The second amendment has very little to do with hunting rights. It is about self protection from law breakers and law makers.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 12:08 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
You are wrong, the 2nd amendment was written by our forefathers to make sure that the country had an armed militia that the country could call on in time of war. Now we have the national guard and a very strong military. Ther never intended it to be for personal protection.


By 71andstillup at 14,Sep,18 00:39 other posts of 71andstillup 
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about civilians keeping their politicians in line. It is also a deterrent to invasion.

A gun serves two purposes
1 Do what I tell you and give me what I want.

2 Hell NO!


By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:24 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Godzillas,,you are deluded if you think "good responsible people" don't shhot other people. Most shootings in this country occur between family members or friends. And, by the way,, stop blaming "socialism" for all the ills of this world. Gengis Kan, Nero, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Franco, Castro, Pope Alexander VI, Muammar Gaddafi, to name a few, were not socialists but, were the most murderous leaders the world has ever known.--------------------------------------- added after 5 minutesAlso, in another thread you said that if guns are outlawed, then only outlaws would have guns. Right now, with the 2nd amendment in f.o.r,c.e, outlaws own guns. Is that safer than if we outlaw guns? are you suggesting that the average person who owns a gun could stop a mugger from robbing you if he has a gun too?? And, by the way, if guns are outlawed, wouldn't all those people that keep guns anyway would be outlaws? At that point, we could get a special task **** to go after all these "outlaws" and take their arms by ****, fine or imprison them, and finally get rid of the one thing that causes more grief in this country than wars
By phart at 05,Sep,18 12:33 other posts of phart 
Uh,alot of gun owners have made it clear over the years that the government can have their guns, bullets first.A government that seizes to much power is 1 of the reasons the citizens are given the right to bear arms in the first place. For what government employees get paid,after about a week of trying seize weapons from American citizens defending their rights, the government won't be able to seize guns. No one to take the job.I have personally heard a couple say it several years ago,alot of police will refuse to seize guns from citizens.matter of fact,they will be busy protecting their own.That also goes for alot of soldiers.They may be given a order,but obeying it is another thing.
Trying to take guns here in the US by farce or Forc$ will be far worse than any war this country has ever fought.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 12:37 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
PHART what you are saying is that gun owners would resist and be lawbreakers. Is this the people who should have guns?


By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 12:53 other posts of Godzillas 
Godzillas,,you are deluded if you think "good responsible people" don't shhot other people. ///////////

This is not a logical statement.. Its like saying 1+1 does not equal 2.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 13:07 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
They do,,i'm confused,,are you pro ar anti gun ownership?
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 13:11 other posts of Godzillas 
There is less crime with gun ownership as compared with atrocities where our nation is stripped of gun rights.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 13:15 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
why? cops and military don't have enough guns??
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 13:18 other posts of Godzillas 
apparently not..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 14:00 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
That's it, I'm buying an ak44
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 15:17 other posts of Godzillas 
It's your right.. Absolutely. Learn to use it just in case. Learn its safety so that you and nobody else gets hurt and I pray to G_d you will never have to use it.. Here is my reasoning :

The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says: ... Having just used guns and other arms to ward off the English, the amendment was originally created to give citizens the opportunity to fight back against a tyrannical federal government.Jun 28, 2017
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 15:37 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
it was tongue in cheek,,ak44s???think about it
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 15:48 other posts of Godzillas 
I prefer thinking about your ass..That position you have on your avatar extracts my sperm like you wouldn't believe.. I have a very sore dick because of you.. Do you do that on purpose?..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 16:18 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I try to make it my life long purpose,,,If it hurts too much, i'd love to kiss it better,,hahaha
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 16:40 other posts of Godzillas 
Your lifelong purpose is working..







By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 15:28 other posts of Godzillas 
Look at chicago.. They took their guns away. Look at Philadelphia, Portland. Look at S.F. How about Aleppo Syria or Tehran Iran? Socialism and totalitarianism makes sure the people to not have guns.. Nazi's took guns away from Jews also.
Taking guns from people means the government wants more control over people. This is socialism, communism and fascism. Crooks will not care if it is right or not. They will just kill you with NO fear..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 15:36 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Look at Australia, the UK and others. As far as the US,unless it's a country wide ban then it's meaningless. Syria and Iran are failed countries that blame the rest of the world for their shortcommings
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 15:38 other posts of Godzillas 
It started with taking their guns.. AUS and UK are in the preliminary phase..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 15:48 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
You expect it to get ugly?? why?? You have such little faith in your fellow man??
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 15:50 other posts of Godzillas 
The numbers speak for themselves.. I do however love your doggy position.. I'm had to cum many times..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 16:16 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Lollipop,,i hope you always have fun with my pics,,,I really get happy i can make a man get just as happy,,
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 16:41 other posts of Godzillas 
That's the idea.. Getting more pleasure on giving than receiving.. To express shows no boundary,
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By phart at 05,Sep,18 17:02 other posts of phart 
I have little faith in those that would be designated to protect me if I was unable to take care of myself.




By leopoldij at 05,Sep,18 19:04 other posts of leopoldij 
Because he's religious.
You can't argue with religious people.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 19:08 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Oh, lover,,i can argue with the Pope,,they have balls too,,
By Godzillas at 05,Sep,18 20:36 other posts of Godzillas 
Whatever Leo is on he should pass that shit over.. Must be a real trip...


By phart at 07,Sep,18 09:35 other posts of phart 
There is no damn relation between bearing arms and religion. That is 1 of the few things I can't figure out how the hell you can compare them. Guns are sometimes used in reference to religion. But guns are not a religion.
The fact I don't trust our piss poor government with my safety and national security has nothing to do with religion.It is the simple fact they are impotent and incapable of doing anything right without fucking it up.
I fear my government almost as much as I do muslim terrorist.
By leopoldij at 07,Sep,18 13:31 other posts of leopoldij 
Look, what I' saying is simple. There are two things I'm actually saying here:

1. Religion is not just belief in god or gods but belief in the irrational. The belief is so strong that no matter what evidence you provide the religionist against his/her beliefs, he/she will deny everything and get angry, roll up his sleeves and be ready to defend his beliefs by fist fight, and anger. This is what gun supporters (in the US) do. Their beliefs form a religion. Hitler was a religionist too. So was Stalin. So was Attila.

2. It is actually a fact that those who defend guns mostly, especially in the south, Texas, etc, are religious in the traditional sense, in fact, in a way that is worse than traditional: they belong to those medieval sects of christianity that characterizes US nowadays. I'm talking about the evangelical christians, the southern baptists, the pentecostals, and so on, all these primitive, backwards sects that define at least 35% of americans. Those guys are also gun owners and users. The higher the (american-type) religiosity of someone the greater the chance that he/she has guns. If you go to a typical pentecostal, say, church in the US you'll see that almost all the (deluded) individuals who go there also have guns.

The US, like Saudi Arabia, is a very backwards place as regards the religion, and they're both in top 10 countries in gun ownership in the world, the US being, of course, the number 1 champion.

I understand that you may not be a religious guy, you don't believe in gods, spirits and all that junk that most americans do, but don't judge from yourself.

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These are random references. But there's well-established research on the matters I'm talking about. Besides, it's common sense that the backwardness of the US with respect to religion is there, big time, and it has stOOpid consequences, guns notwithstanding.

Take a look at the following paper:
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Stephen M. Merino, God and Guns: Examining Religious Influences on Gun Control Attitudes in the United States, Religions 2018, 9, 189; doi:10.3390/rel9060189

Abstract: Mass shootings in the United States have generated significant media coverage and public
concern, invigorating debates over gun control. Media coverage and academic research on gun control
attitudes and reactions to mass shootings have paid little attention to the role of religion. Recent
research sheds light on the complex relationship between religion and guns, including higher rates of
gun ownership and stronger opposition to gun control among white evangelical Protestants. Using
nationally representative survey data, this study examines the relationship between religious identity,
gun ownership, and support for a range of gun control policies, including proposed remedies for
preventing mass shootings. Compared with individuals from other religious traditions, evangelical
Protestants are most opposed to stricter gun control laws and enforcement, even with statistical
controls for gun ownership and demographic characteristics. Rather, they favor individualistic
solutions and putting more emphasis on religious values in their social surroundings. I discuss how
these findings reflect the cultural tools evangelical Protestants use to construct their understandings
of social problems, including gun ****, and the broader implications for gun policy in the
United States.

Keywords: evangelical Protestants; Catholics; black Protestants; gun policy preferences; gun control;
mass shootings
By phart at 10,Sep,18 17:28 other posts of phart 
Ok I think I am understanding what you mean by that now.
But I must admit,my faith in my government has not risen any!
By Godzillas at 11,Sep,18 10:56 other posts of Godzillas 
They don't know how to get rid of Sessions until after the midterms. He's a tool to protect the deep state..


By TWOWARMTTS2 at 11,Sep,18 11:05 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Leo,,,i don't believe in organized religion. It is responsible for the death of millions of people in the name of some "GOD", even if we leave out the big murderers of the ages. But, i do believe in a supreme being. A God that is responsible for us to be here. In my case I call him Jesus, but, it's not everyone's name for this supreme being. Whatever they call Him, I believe in him. To not believe would deny my existence.















By TWOWARMTTS2 at 13,Sep,18 22:36 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
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the gun was innocent,,,the man did all the killing,,,




By leopoldij at 13,Sep,18 18:01 other posts of leopoldij 
Gunman killed 5 in California before taking his own life, police say.

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Let me clarify this using the "logic" of American gun lovers. It's the fault of the victims that they were killed. If they were carrying bazookas 24/7 and were trained to shoot any time they felt threat this wouldn't have happened. Well, they could have killed others too, but it doesn't matter. The point is that guns save lives. When there's a killing by guns people should buy more guns for themselves and their families. A fully armed population doesn't have to fear anything.


By 1972_Kallen at 13,Sep,18 15:54 other posts of 1972_Kallen 
We have gunlaws and i am very pleased by it.
1 shooting in 73 year is not a bad average.
By leopoldij at 13,Sep,18 17:53 other posts of leopoldij 
Sure. We're talking about primitive societies with medieval gun laws. Holland is not one of them.



By Wanky-doodle at 05,Sep,18 19:50 other posts of Wanky-doodle 
What I don't understand is the obsession with the 5th amendment and not wanting to change it even by definition it I'd something that was already changed so why are people so opposed to it being changed again?
By leopoldij at 05,Sep,18 20:18 other posts of leopoldij 
The reason is very simple (I mentioned it below). Because clinging to this article of their constitution is simply a religious act. There no way on earth that you can change the books of religious people even even they promote hatr.ed and death.
By Wanky-doodle at 06,Sep,18 11:04 other posts of Wanky-doodle 
I've never really thought, nor has it ever seemed to me to be a religious thing, more of a patriotic, right wing, paranoid thing
By leopoldij at 06,Sep,18 12:08 other posts of leopoldij 
It IS religious, secular religion to be sure, but it is religion in the sense that it is absurd. In fact, it is also linked to actual religion. As you probably know, at least 35% of Americans have medieval beliefs, e.g. that th he Earth is 6000 years old only. These beliefs are dictated by religion, a kind of Christian fundamentalism that is unique to the States. There is a huge correlation between this religion and gun ownership. Many of them go to their churches armed with guns. I'm not joking. It's hard for you to believe this is possible, you live in a modern society in Europe, but it's true!
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By TWOWARMTTS2 at 12,Sep,18 10:36 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
LORD

It's late today , or maybe early tomorrow. I don't know. I'm listening to George Harrison sing My Sweet Lord and started to think. I may ramble. The Tito's Handmade Vodka is good. But, to get back to good old George, he sang his Sweet Lord. Is that Jesus? Some other Lord? Who can tell me. And, while we are at it, does a sweet Lord exist? I don't know. There's so much killing, maiming, and injustice in this world, how can He be and let it happen. The history of this world is fraught with the countless souls that died because of His religion. Take your pick witch one. Old George really wanted to see him, really wanted to know him. Why? If He was there and he cared wouldn't he have arrived already? How long, how many more must perish or be maimed in the name of this aberration in the human psychy.




By erekoses at 06,Sep,18 11:54 other posts of erekoses 
Sorry to interrupt but I don't see any wrong with the 5th amendment. That protect someone from double jeporady.
By Wanky-doodle at 06,Sep,18 12:31 other posts of Wanky-doodle 
Hahaha, lol, oops, well we are Brits, excuse us
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 12,Sep,18 10:05 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
is our 2 your 5??? Now I know what "two nations divided by a common language" means,,





By leopoldij at 01,Sep,18 14:39 other posts of leopoldij 
Number of civilian owned guns worldwide: 650 million

Percentage of those owned by Americans: 48%

Population of the US as a percentage of the Earth population: 5%

Mass shootings in the US as a percentage of all mass shootings on Earth: 31%

Number of times homicide rates in the US exceed those in other high-income countries: 25 times

Number of times gun-related suicides exceed those in other high-income countries: 8 times

Are US law-enf0rcement agencies required to report on gun killings by police? No

Countries with most guns (Number of guns per 100 citizens)
US: 89
Yemen: 55
Switzerland: 46
Finland: 45
Serbia: 38
Cyprus: 36
Saudi Arabia: 35
Iraq: 34
Uruguay: 32
Sweden: 32
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 11:30 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Well said, lover,,
By leopoldij at 05,Sep,18 14:05 other posts of leopoldij 
Thank You for all the arguments above. But I'm afraid it's virtually impossible to argue with religious guys like godzilla and phart.

Maybe I don't understand American culture as much as you do, but I have met dozens of Americans who have the same point of vie as yours: that the warzone that has been created by the gun religion ought to seize to exist. And there are two ways for this to happen: either educate or wait in until America collapses.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 05,Sep,18 15:47 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I think you and I agree, religion is mankind's worst hangup and self-righteous zealots are the worst of our humanity. You understand a lot more than you give yourself credit for. This country has been at war with itself over guns for over 150 yrs. I am too young to have experienced the love revolution during the 60's. Make love not war, love your ****, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with. It's a shame it didn't take.





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By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 05:27 other posts of leopoldij 
"Good guys". "Law abiding citizens". These are words that mostly Americans use.

It's totally naive to separate people into good and bad. Totally.
By Louis at 28,Aug,18 08:31 other posts of Louis 
Your ignorance is showing. So there's no difference between good people and bad? You must be one of the bad ones trying to cover for your self. How ridiculous!
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 11:31 other posts of leopoldij 
WHO decides "good" vs. "bad"? The state?
Also, in america, religious people (and they happen to be millions and millions) are supposed to be "good", which is totally absurd.

Also, blind obeying to a law, a law that has been instituted by someone with dubious credentials and purposes is not ethical. Lawmakers are often act selfishly and laws are being passed to protect the financial interests of the ones in power. Obeying a law is not very strongly correlated to being good.

There are many people who've gone to prison who are much better human beings than those who run a country.
By Louis at 28,Aug,18 15:23 other posts of Louis 
Morals decide between good and bad. Deeds decide between good and bad. To lump all people together like that is nonsense and very narrow minded.
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 15:25 other posts of leopoldij 
Who decides on morals? the government?
By Louis at 28,Aug,18 15:42 other posts of Louis 
The answer is obvious. Does a rapist have morals? No, does a good family man have morals? Yes, morals are a personal thing. If you don't know that, I feel sorry for you.
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 17:43 other posts of leopoldij 
Oh, don't feel sorry. You're only saying this because you can't define morals.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 17:56 other posts of phart 
Well gee wiz,dumb as I am I know that having morals is having a mindset of treating others as I wish to be treated and so forth.But to help out here,I googled it.
mor·al
ˈmôrəl/
noun
plural noun: morals

1.
a lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.

Now,taking the Bible out of the picture,Which even for a Atheist should be a sensible source of "story's" to derive a code of life from ,are we supposed to derive a quality standard of living from a Dr Seuss book?

Let me ask you a question or 2 Leopold.
Would you steal or kill or slander a neighbor? I seriously doubt you do or have. So,with that in mind, where did you learn not to do those things from? Where did your code of life or "morals" as we call them,come from?
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 18:21 other posts of leopoldij 
They come from a very simple principle: never cause harm. This has nothing to do with shitty concepts such religion.
No, I haven't killed and do not own a bazooka or gun, for this reason.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 19:56 other posts of phart 
And the principle was derived from?
I didn't think you had committed harm,just was setting the example. Making progress now towards understanding your thinking and where your ideas come from. Just gota figure out how that principle was founded,the roots of it so to speak.
Once people begin to understand each others beliefs and where they came from,it makes it easier to find common ground.
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 21:14 other posts of leopoldij 
It doesn't have to come from somewhere. It's probably part of being an animal feeling the me to be in harmony with other an1mals.
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Funny! The word animal (singular) is not censored but an1mals (plural) is.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 23:38 other posts of phart 
I appreciate your not taking my question offensively. I am just trying to grasp something that is totally out of my realm of understanding.So far I have understood that a atheist is not bound to be a killer or a thief because he didn't hear the 10 commandments. So you are thinking animal instinct guides us? So where did the violent nature come from in some folks that do all the terrible things? Rabies? Which sadly is getting bad around here in anima1s.





By Louis at 29,Aug,18 07:18 other posts of Louis 
Since you're an obvious authority on every topic under the sun, I'm through with this. Have a good life.
By phart at 29,Aug,18 12:20 other posts of phart 
naw naw,both sides need to keep discussing this until a general understanding is achieved,I will say,it will be a long journey!
By leopoldij at 30,Aug,18 01:52 other posts of leopoldij 
Despite that I disagree with you in many things I like you because you're good sport. And a decent guy.
By phart at 30,Aug,18 09:59 other posts of phart 
Well thanks! I don't mind a good discussion once in a while and frankly you aint a bad fellow yourself!
Each of us has different life experiences and that is what molds us and directs our future. sadly some of us have had some purty tuff spots to muddle our way thru and it leaves us a bit callused.
By leopoldij at 30,Aug,18 11:42 other posts of leopoldij 
And we are each talking taking into account our environment. In most places in Europe we don't need guns because hardly anyone around has guns. It's much safer to be in such an environment. I understand that in most places in the US most people are armed from top to bottom and thus people feel unsafe. Besides, if your neighbour has a kalashnikov or something then you feel you need to have an uzi or a bazooka. That's why so many people have these weapons of mass killings in the US. But I think that neither you nor me have ever had the inclination to go shoot people en masse. I prefer a cold beer.
By phart at 30,Aug,18 20:04 other posts of phart 
Regardless of what the neighbor has that is a problem,long as the other neighbor keeps the backhoe running!














By phart at 28,Aug,18 12:49 other posts of phart 
Oh yea, the latest florida shooting, I copied this from a news report,

Katz was hospitalized twice as a teenager for mental illness and prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medications, the Baltimore Sun reported, citing his parents' divorce filings.

The fellow was upset that he lost a game for crying out loud.At least he saved the tax payers alot of money taking himself out.Saved alot of paper work for the l@w enfor@ment to.
The victims were in their 20's! And still playing video GAMES? Sheesh, video games are for kids!
By JustWill at 28,Aug,18 16:15 other posts of JustWill 
"Video games are for kids!"
So---it's okay that some deranged psycho with a gun killed them?
By phart at 28,Aug,18 20:31 other posts of phart 
Oh hell no,that aint what I meant by that.Sorry it came across that way.It is just shocking to me that they were that old and still playing games.
By JustWill at 28,Aug,18 22:38 other posts of JustWill 
Okay, I get it. Grownups aren't supposed to play. Once you hit a certain age, you're only supposed to work and then stare at the walls until you fall asleep.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 23:34 other posts of phart 
Playing for grown ups is a boat on the lake on saturday or a weekend in the mountains hiking. Geez.






By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 11:39 other posts of leopoldij 
It's interesting to see how many people take this thread so passionately and are upset by it. I posted it as an experiment: to see what kind of reactions people would have. To me, love for something whose purpose it to kill is weird. Arguments such as "cars kill too" are silly, because the primary purpose of a car it transportation, whereas the only purpose of a gun is to wound or kill.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 12:46 other posts of phart 
The other purpose you forget is to defend.
If you are hiking in the mountains and a bear comes along ready to pounce on you. Would you rather have a big stick, or a piece of beef jerky,or maby a gun?
What is the primary purpose of a truck? To move things.But it can still be used as a tool for killing.So to miss the point people are trying to make is kinda silly as well.
How many people use a screw driver for prying something? Alot of folks.But it is really only for SCREWING! But missuse is still rampant.
The old joke I have heard for years was if you go into the woods where bears are,take a 22 caliber pistol and someone you don't like. If a bear chases you, shoot the ahole in the shin and then all you have to do is outrun him!
By leopoldij at 28,Aug,18 13:54 other posts of leopoldij 
What's the percentage of gun owners who have guns in order to protect themselves from bears? I doubt that it is a significant one in, say, Houston.
By phart at 28,Aug,18 17:45 other posts of phart 
Actually,and sadly, there is a couple that have been sighted less than a mile from my home here on the east coast. 1 large and 1 small 1. Flooding is said to be how they got this far down from the mountains. A couple black panthers,The CAT type ,have also been spotted. Thank God my neighbors hunted down and killed the herd of wild hogs that chased me thru the back yard a few years back. And trust me,it took a large caliber to kill those hard headed bastards.



By 71andstillup at 28,Aug,18 16:46 other posts of 71andstillup 
Guns serve two social/political purposes.
1. Do what I say.
2. Hell no!

A third purpose is putting meat on the table



By cody8789 at 24,Jul,18 17:25 other posts of cody8789 
I carry my gun everywhere I go /aonqse7a65mypic.html
By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 19:47 other posts of leopoldij 
You can use it to masturbate too. Stick your cock in, hold it tight, and move it up and down, always keeping your finger at the trigger. When You're about to cum pull the trigger. That's according to the amendment of the constitution.
By cody8789 at 24,Jul,18 20:52 other posts of cody8789 
It's to protect myself from assholes like you, so I don't have to dirty my hands
By Godzillas at 26,Aug,18 14:11 other posts of Godzillas 
If they have a gun you must use a gun.. Use a cannon if you need to..
By cody8789 at 27,Aug,18 00:07 other posts of cody8789 
I hope I never have to shoot my weapon, but if my life is in danger from someone trying to shoot me or knife me, I'm shooting to kill.




By TWOWARMTTS2 at 24,Jul,18 19:51 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Why? You don’t have the balls to defend your honor with fists? You need 5-6 lbs of iron to prove you are a man?
By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 19:54 other posts of leopoldij 
Evidently.

By cody8789 at 24,Jul,18 20:51 other posts of cody8789 
You mean like you getting fucked by thousands of men proving your a womem
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My job calls for me to carry a weapon where ever I go
By CountryCouple54 at 24,Jul,18 21:25 other posts of CountryCouple54 
Cody, don't waste your time. It's an endless effort with them.

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 08:10 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I'm a woman and can prove it,,the 1000 men is for pleasure. If you HAVE to carry that is different and I apologize


By CountryCouple54 at 24,Jul,18 21:29 other posts of CountryCouple54 
That would be awesome. But here in South Florida not everyone will play fair. A good ole Street fight would be the old way. Now you get shot. So like Cody said, we carry to protect ourselves and families from those people.
By cody8789 at 24,Jul,18 21:41 other posts of cody8789 
Your right countrycouple, just like the guy and his one year old son that got shot today just coming out of his house, at least the one year old survived

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 09:01 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I can't make an argument against that. I grew up in south florida and my kids and grandchildren live there.I know that in any given moment, an argument could start and a gun could be drawn. Both of my **** are gun free as they don't feel comfortable having them in the house. My daughter's in laws have several guns and my daughter in law's family have a small arsenal. On any given day, you hear where there was a domestic disturbance with guns in a restaurant or other business in Hialeah, and a bunch of patrons, not related to the arguing couple, bring out their guns and start shooting. Same happens in Liberty city, Dania,Miami Lakes, almost all other areas. So, ok, carry your guns for "protection" but, what if only long barreled, small magazined, guns were legal. What if concealed weapons were outlawed. What if displaying a gun in public got you a 2 yr sentence in the local lockup? Don't you think this would cut down on murders??? I believe that it would. And i'm supported by the statistics of Australia, and other nations that outlawed guns. Am i naive enough to believe it's the solution? NO!!!! but For every shooting that would still happen at the many "Marjory Stoneman Douglasses" of this country, Many other posibble shootings would be prevented. I can say any more that would convince you, but, as a reasonably intelligent person, doesn't this argument have some merit???
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By CountryCouple54 at 25,Jul,18 09:30 other posts of CountryCouple54 
I am a normal intelligent person that is why I carry a gun. As for your suggestion per the punishment. There is in the state of Florida. To display a gun can get you 1 year in jail. To display it during a crime gets you 10 years. To fire it during a crime gets you 20 years. To shoot someone during a crime can get you life in prison.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 14:13 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
My son chuck lives in Central Florida, across from the Ocala National Forest. Every friday, saturday and holiday his neighbors shoot everything from handguns to AR15's or something similar. The cops say they are "good old boys" having some fun and they protect the neighborhood. So far they were able to protect my son and his neighbors from 3 houses, 10 cars,,,hundredths of traffic signs and beer cans and a poor black mama bear. As my son says,,"Mom, I really feel protected"
By Godzillas at 26,Aug,18 14:10 other posts of Godzillas 
So what you are saying is that it is ok for crooks and murderers to have guns i l l egally but not ok for good people to own guns L e gally.... I'm sorry,,, I just really didn't know how smart you were maam..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 27,Aug,18 07:51 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Well, if that's the case, we can deport them to Puerto Rico






By AussieMan187 at 25,Jul,18 08:17 other posts of AussieMan187 
I personally wouldn't want to bring just my fists to a gun fight. Some people think that good people carrying guns might prevent someone from carrying out a shooting spree. I seen a video the other day where a guy tried to rob a woman with kids at gun point. She had a concealed handgun on her & she shot & killed the guy right there & then.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 09:35 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
I don't think anyone would. if you read what i just posted, i agree with you, but, a life was lost in your story, is that something to cheer about? We don't want abortions to save a life but it's a good thing to kill otherwise? What if the guy had been faster and killed her and her kids? Your point of view would have been the same? How many times do we hear that someone was killed even though they had a gun for protection? No one bothers to seek out those stories. The truth of the matter is that people in this country have a romantic view of guns and they are desperately trying to argue the good points.
By AussieMan187 at 25,Jul,18 19:48 other posts of AussieMan187 
One less scum bag in the world doesn't make me lose sl.eep at night. Of course the crook might have gotten the upper hand & shot them, but most of the time criminals pick on these kinds of people because they look like a weak target. What if he robbed them & then killed them? Sometimes you shouldn't take that chance if you have an option. In Australia, we have strict gun laws, but crims still manage to get their hands on them & shoot places up. A couple of years ago some k.id a shootout with the cops outside of the police station. He was killed & didn't manage to hurt anyone. But the point is, criminals will always find a way, while civilians are unarmed & become easy prey.


By phart at 25,Jul,18 13:51 other posts of phart 
A negative spin is always put on the stories of people protecting themselves and their family's with a gun.
Yes the crook died. But the k1ds have a new lease on life and has a mother.Life has value.I would place a higher value on the mother and k1ds than I would on the piece of manure trying to steal from them and threaten to harm them.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 14:04 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
only registered users can see external links

On average there are nearly 13,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.View annual gun homicides in the US

For every one person killed with guns, two more are injured.

The number of Americans injured with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable. The CDC’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System estimates the number of annual non-fatal firearm injuries based on reports from a sample of hospital emergency departments: over the last five years, there were more than 200 non-fatal firearm injuries each day.3 View data on non-fatal firearm injuries Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides. Of the 175,703 firearm deaths in the US from 2012 to 2016 (the most recent five years of data available), 108,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total,everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.4
View more information about firearm fatalities by intent in the US Seven **** and teens (age 19 or under) are killed with guns in the U.S. on an average day.
Rates of firearm injury death increase rapidly after age 12. And unintentional shootings of **** and teens are under reported in the CDC data, possibly because of the difficulty of characterizing a ****’s intent after he or she has killed himself or a playmate with a firearm. Every town tracks unintentional shootings involving ****, which occur every 34 hours, on average. 5 View CDC data on **** and teens killed with guns In an average month, 50 women are shot to death by intimate partners in the U.S.And more than half of all women killed by intimate partners in the U.S. are killed with guns.6 View data on gun homicides of women by a current or former intimate partner America’s gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of other high-income countries.An analysis of gun homicide rates in developed countries— those considered “high-income” by the World Bank — found that the United States accounted for 46 percent of the population but 82 percent of the gun deaths.7 View more on how the US gun homicide rate compares with that of other developed countries Background checks are a central component of America's efforts to keep guns from criminals: since their inception, they have blocked over 3 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers.According to a study by the Department of Justice, between 1994 and 2014, federal, state, and local agencies conducted background checks on more than 180 million firearm applications and denied 2.82 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers. To date, the background check system has blocked over 3 million firearm sales to prohibited purchasers.8 Black men are 13 times more likely than non-hispanic white men to be shot and killed with guns.Black Americans make up 14 percent of the U.S. population but are victims of more than half of all gun homicides.10 View more on gun homicides and race in America When a gun is present in a situation of domestic ****, it increases the risk the woman will be killed five fold.A case-control study of 11 cities found that in a domestic **** situation, the perpetrator’s access to a gun increased the odds of femicide by more than five times (adjust OR=5.44, 95% CI = 2.89, 10.22).11


Note on Data Sources

Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FBI collect data on firearm homicides — the former from medical examiners and the latter from local ****. Each data set has distinct advantages and flaws. The CDC’s National Vital Statistics System records a higher percentage of all firearm deaths but fails to capture details about their circumstances, including the relationship of the perpetrator to the victim. This makes it unsuitable for measuring gun **** between people of certain relationships.

In contrast, the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) include details on the perpetrator and weapon but are more likely to be missing records because the FBI relies on police departments to voluntarily submit their homicide data on an annual basis. Despite these gaps, SHR data are utilized widely in the criminology community. The SHR do not include data from the state of Florida. Everytown obtained data directly from the Florida Department of ****. Women killed by former dating partners (as opposed to current dating partners) are not categorized in the Florida data and are not included.12
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There it is,,The CDC an arm of the Federal government, not "fake news" and the FBI, also a part of the Federal government, put out these studies,,,the bottom line is that gun **** occurs because there are guns,,,if the problem had been knives we might be talking about limiting knives. If this doesn't make sense to you then, as Country Couple said, "Cody, don't waste your time. It's an endless effort with them.",,,,

By AussieMan187 at 25,Jul,18 19:57 other posts of AussieMan187 
Fuckin' A



By phart at 26,Jul,18 10:21 other posts of phart 
This damned thread thing is not working right.
BUT in response to Warm Tits about being a Man or not,

Some of us are not physically able to fight off a attacker and need the extra help to level the playing field.
A attacker has plenty of time to plan his actions and is equipped for the task at hand.And they usually are not alone. It is not a matter of proving I am a man.If all the hair on my chest and lack of boobs is not enough then let them wonder.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 26,Jul,18 15:22 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Ok, friend, I do see your point. In Charlie's old country the men would carry a "facon". A short (24") sword slightly bigger than a Navy Seal knife. Very few tough men would fight when the facons came out





By 71andstillup at 26,Aug,18 22:49 other posts of 71andstillup 
How many guns per person in the US?
As of 2017, Gallup found that 42 percent of American households reported owning guns. With an estimated 118 million households in the United States, per the U.S. Census, that would mean that the country's 393 million guns are distributed among 50 million households.Jun 19, 2018

The percentage of misused guns and people who misuse them is very very small. Those who are working to impose world governance want to disarm civilians

If you want to see what the new world order looks like, look at China.

Dissent is useless and often fatal.


By jsmythe73 at 24,Aug,18 00:03 other posts of jsmythe73 
Why are you posting this shit here?? Aside from the lack of REAL facts, and research citations to NOT back up your totally erroneous claims, it isn't RELEVANT HERE!!
More people die from Drunk Drivers, and nobody is banning cars!! More people die from Opiod overdose, and just now, they see that as an issue.
Take out the Suicides, by gun, and the criminal actions, when they should never have gotten them, but just stole, or killed someone, for them, then the real statistics make gun deaths just a minor thing!
but something some people just JUMP ON, like it is some DEMON!!
By leopoldij at 24,Aug,18 09:27 other posts of leopoldij 
"Why are you posting this shit here??"

Just because there are lots of discussions on these issues. MANY members publish irrelevant stuff here, from jokes, to history, to politics, etc.

"More people die from Drunk Drivers, and nobody is banning cars!!"

Indeed. The difference, however, is that those who die in cars die because of accidents, not because the drunk driver targeted them. On the other hand, those who die from guns die because the shooter wanted to kill them, he or she had planned the killing, as is often the case in schools.

"the real statistics make gun deaths just a minor thing!"

This is true. From the point of view of numbers, gun deaths are fewer than other deaths. But gun shootings occur in countries that have very low intelligence amongst its populations. Such is the case in the US. 35-40% of Americans are creationists and ultra-fundamentalist-religionists. Those are the people who are most likely to own guns and use them.
By jsmythe73 at 26,Aug,18 02:39 other posts of jsmythe73 
Come on, dude, don't post this crap here!! Post it on the NRA site, or some gun-hater site!!
People come here for dick pics or talking, and issues, and this kind of stuff just blows the mood, OK??
Yeah, maybe, just maybe, a teeny, tiny bit relevant, but only to those that like having lots of guns, and BIG guns, and maybe 'compensating' for some personal issues??
By Godzillas at 26,Aug,18 12:23 other posts of Godzillas 
Taking our guns is only the first step to annihilation of any group, religion.. ect.. Even government.. Political spins is propaganda to shut people up until it is too late.
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Why don't you ask the Jews and Israel what happened to them after the Nazi's took their guns away, Leo...

By kebmo at 26,Aug,18 15:01 other posts of kebmo 
Jsmythe, if you don't like this subject just don't come to this thread and read it. Pretty easy eh? The whole world isn't about cocks. Some people want to have other conversations and we're allowed to.
If you don't like it, just don't come here. Piece of cake.



By kebmo at 24,Aug,18 20:49 other posts of kebmo 
Here's some facts for you.
The US and Canada are very similar in our culture and economy. We're similar people. Not the same but similar.
We have very different gun laws though.
The US population is about ten times that of Canada.
In 2016, 611 Canadians died because of guns.
10 x 611 = 6,110
In 2016, about 38,000 people died in the US because of guns.

See the difference? Those are real statistics and it is not a minor thing.



By #564174 at 25,Aug,18 15:15
Guns, alcohol, drugs, automobiles, knives, tempers, screwdriver...all can be used by a bad man to do harm to a good man. Bad men cannot be mad good any more than good men cannot be made bad. We have a choice. Perhaps consider the question: When does a weapon become a weapon? A pencil perhaps. The answer is logical...when the pencil is used to cause harm. With this in mind, can you think of any object that could not be used to cause harm by a bad man. How does one, or a country, go about eliminating all objects that could potential be used by a bad man to cause harm?
By jsmythe73 at 26,Aug,18 02:47 other posts of jsmythe73 
Excellent question!

By kebmo at 26,Aug,18 03:34 other posts of kebmo 
You’re hilarious!
By phart at 26,Aug,18 11:17 other posts of phart 
Until you disconnect the brain of a evil person from the outside world,you can not totally fix the problem. If a form of communication can be had,evil can be spread to another person and carried out.




By phart at 24,Jul,18 12:22 other posts of phart 
If they stopped making guns and ammo today,a 100 years from now the crooks would still have plenty of both.
What separates the crook from the law abiding citizen is the fact the crook gets what he wants any way he can.He has no ethics,and has no respect for law and order or life in general.
Lay abiding citizen wants a gun he has to fulfill requirements like back ground checks and age and so forth.No big deal really but the crook does none of that.He just steals the gun from the legal citizen while they are away from it or takes it from their hand as they lay dieing.

Gun control will never work in this country.You can forget it.
If you really want to work on fixing gun **** keep criminals in jail, get the illegals out of here and teach people life has meaning and value. Then and only then will people feel safe enough to put their guns away and live peacefully and with peace of mind.Until you restore the peace of mind in the general population,you will never get any results.
By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 17:17 other posts of leopoldij 
Larry Pratt : "The science behind this program is proven. Ch1ldren under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives." 

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 24,Jul,18 19:29 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Then why does it work in other countries? Are you gun owners a bunch of scared, assholes?

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 24,Jul,18 19:49 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
If all guns were confiscated and only criminals had them, can we kill them like wild dogs the minute cops find out about them?

By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 19:55 other posts of leopoldij 
WHO THE FUCK ARE THE SO-CALLED LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WHEN THOSE WHO MAKE THE LAWS ARE THOSE WHO VIOLATE THEM FIRST!
By phart at 24,Jul,18 23:09 other posts of phart 
The law abiding citizens are the 1's that have their gun in a place they can get to it if needed and don't use it except to protect themselves from a threat.Last time mine was pulled out it was to rid the yard of a poisonous snake.
I don't make the law's,I didn't write the constitution either.
So I can't answer that 1 question.
As for being a scared asshole because I own a gun? I am just a asshole,I am not scared .Because I own a old used gun and practiced with it.
As for killing the criminals, uh,without a gun what would be approved to use to kill them with? A club? Inhumane,may take more than 1 blow. A knife,might miss a artery. There would be laws for knife control,and club control,because the criminals have rights.Even though they have no respect for the rights of their victims.
I haven't read the Pratt thing,sounds like he was lead into a trap or perhaps some manipulation of words was used to make him seem more stupid that he was.But to put a gun in the hands of a 5 year old is not smart and most Americans know better than to do that.
By leopoldij at 25,Jul,18 03:31 other posts of leopoldij 
"As for being a scared asshole "

I NEVER called you so.

"I  haven't read the Pratt thing"

That's why I posted it, so one can read. That's why I linked three video. That man is an example of how stupid one can be. Stoopid.
By phart at 25,Jul,18 13:48 other posts of phart 
Someone ask if we gun owners were all scared assholes,I was responding.
By leopoldij at 26,Jul,18 15:20 other posts of leopoldij 
I Actually don't think you're an asshole at all. I think you're a nice guy. Just with different views.
By phart at 26,Jul,18 15:37 other posts of phart 
Well I am not a evil man although some may take me that way because i have a harder line view of certain subjects.
We all live under different laws,different life experiences.
These discussions are more productive that folks may realize.
By leopoldij at 26,Jul,18 15:41 other posts of leopoldij 
I know. I've noticed from the way you resound that, although we think very differently, You're quite civilized.









By weluvswinging69 at 25,Jul,18 09:36 other posts of weluvswinging69 
We kicked your ass in 1776, your country is overrun by Islam, stabbings occur everywhere, you get jailed for posting anything against Islam on social media, your mayor says terror attacks are "part and parcel" of living in a big city, you have chid r@pe grooming gangs, and you come here spouting your self-righteous shit.

Go fuck yourself and jerk off to a Jimmy Saville tape.
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 09:49 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
So what's your point? Having an imperfect system prevents one from seeing another imperfect system? I love how people like you can spout"Our fallen heroes fought so this land could be free to express your regular and religious views" but are intolerant of someone doing just that unless it agrees with your views.
By weluvswinging69 at 25,Jul,18 11:41 other posts of weluvswinging69 
My point? If you're in another country keep your sorry ass opinions to yourself when your country shelters **** rapists and ****philes and is under a constant state of surveillance on closed circuit TV. Fix your own problems first before you start telling another nation how to fix theirs.
By talk4s at 25,Jul,18 12:03 other posts of talk4s 
I am not sure who you are responding to, Weluvswinging69, but am assuming it's an Englishman? Coming late to this thread and it seems to be twowarmtts2. Who is not in England...damn. what long names...But if you think this country does NOT have a near constant state of surveillance ...We are living in George Orwell's world even if it's not 1984 anymore. Time to wake up!
By weluvswinging69 at 25,Jul,18 14:04 other posts of weluvswinging69 
Referring to the Brit who started this entire thread..
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 14:21 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Leo is a good guy and a friend,,,let the national borders drop,,the Brits have had our backs in all the major wars we have fought,,,and certainly have looked after our interests during the cold war with the USSR,,the old Russia. All people have different national views, but, the US and Britain have been more than cousins,,in a pinch they'll be there to help us,,the same with Australia, Canada, and India,

By talk4s at 26,Jul,18 12:58 other posts of talk4s 

By talk4s at 26,Jul,18 13:22 other posts of talk4s 
OK. Now I am fully onboard and unnerstan what ya's bin sayin' weluvswinging...ing, ing ING...69...I will state this so you can understand...Ya be one of dem 'Muricah Uber Alles' types. The ones that have SUCH a TINY (mind)and totally dimwitted, tunnel visioned view of the World they cannot see ANYTHING that's TRULY important on this Planet we all live on. Somebody says something you don't like or hits too close to home...by being true...and you lash out like a 1st grader. Time to grow up, try seeing something from outside Muricah. Now Trump's Muricah...Really, this country is showing ALL the FUCKING signs of being on the downhill slope after it's 250 years on top. Historical fact, jis in case ya dasen't nose dat...Idjut. Oh, let me offer my sincerest apologies to you for saying LOTS you won't like.



By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 13:33 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Baby, as usual with your kind, you don't look at the fact. I'm a US citizen, born and bred in Florida and living in Valdosta, Georgia. My Dad fought in WWII as a corporal in the Army Air Corp and my ****, Ted, was a grunt in Vietnam. What did you do? So I'll shout my opinions from the tallest building if I like to. I don't really care if you wipe your ass before you take a crap, but, get it right,
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this is me visiting my Dad's grave in Florida Natiomal Cemetery in Bushnell, Florida.
By weluvswinging69 at 25,Jul,18 14:04 other posts of weluvswinging69 
Wasn't referring to you was referring to Leopold.

By aoneeyedmonster at 25,Jul,18 22:30 other posts of aoneeyedmonster 
Thank you


By kebmo at 25,Jul,18 22:45 other posts of kebmo 
That comment could be directed at Trump.

"Fix your own problems first before you start telling another nation how to fix theirs."

I was not aware that Brittan had "grooming gangs". Do they brush your hair if it's not just right?


"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself."
-Eric Clapton





By Louis at 24,Jul,18 07:49 other posts of Louis 
It won't happen. The vast majority of gun deaths involve the criminal misuse of firearms. Criminals aren't responsible and they don't obey laws. To disarm responsible gun owners will not take them away from the ones who shouldn't have them.
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One thing I should add, many years ago more people owned guns that they do now and they were easier to get. Yet you never heard of these shootings like nowadays. Something is at work, I don't know what.
By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 17:18 other posts of leopoldij 
Larry Pratt says that 3 year old k1ds must have guns.

"The science behind this program is proven. Ch1ldren under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives." 

By TWOWARMTTS2 at 24,Jul,18 19:28 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
That is pure BS. The majority of gun deaths occur in domestic ****. The perpetrator might be a low life but the situation is not a crime scene before the shooting. Perfectly law abiding gun owners take out their gun and shoot their neighbor or family member.
By Louis at 25,Jul,18 08:29 other posts of Louis 
You are engaging in wishful thinking, your answer is BS
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 09:41 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
then prove me wrong,,,site statistics,,pick you big cosmopolitan city,,and site me the murder or killings by fire arms,,,state the FBI statistics,,local sheriff's data. If you are right, and I mean overwhelming and with references so i can go and look it up (and the other members can too) then I'll apologize here, in this public forum.



By weluvswinging69 at 25,Jul,18 11:42 other posts of weluvswinging69 
Exactly...statistically speaking the majority of gun deaths are via suicide, accidental discharge, and someone the victim knew.

Also if you remove crime statistics from major democrat run cities the numbers plummet significantly...



By kebmo at 25,Jul,18 09:34 other posts of kebmo 
I love Australia's idea, they bought them off the street after the ownership laws were changed..
Here are some examples of buy backs.

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By TWOWARMTTS2 at 25,Jul,18 10:32 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
excellent idea



By Whoknows at 24,Jul,18 21:40 other posts of Whoknows 
Spookily, I was just watching a TV show and now this is the first thread I saw. The show was a journalist guy called Louis Theroux looking at gun crime and the growing subculture around it in Milwaukee. I knew gun crime is a big issue in various places in the USA, but this was the first time I'd seen something showing both sides of the fence - **** and a community with guns and a constant need to be ready to defend themselves and their fam1lies because shootings and deaths are such an everyday thing there. I live in the UK and I was trying to imagine living here under that same kind of cloud.
I don't like guns. I've never held one, but I was once shot at when I was younger and it was something I forgot about within weeks and never bothered me because that's, thankfully, a rare thing over here, but there is a definite increase in gun crime reports here nowadays, but I still defend the rights of people to defend themselves and their famil1es despite my views.
What worries me about it all most though is how the "normality" of those everyday shootings is stopping the young people in that community from learning the value of life because a lot of them aren't living long enough to experience the good as well as the bad they already know. That's fucking sad!
I don't have any answers, but it was obvious that they've lost all faith in the police, who are supposed to be protectors, and now take the law into their own hands, but I can't see justice in a kneejerk reaction that only creates more sadness and k1ds growing up without a d4d, br0ther unc1e... That downward spiral will never be broken while the police keep stopping and frisking young black guys on the street simply because they're there and happen to be black. Nobody trusts each other anymore. It makes me sad to see a mother sleeping with an automatic rifle under her pillow, taking a bath with a pistol in the bathroom just in case... Awful.
Please don't jump on me saying stuff like, "Yeah, well you don't know anything...etc"


By CountryCouple54 at 24,Jul,18 11:09 other posts of CountryCouple54 
And 20 million people have died from 1968 to 2018 from smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol. But you can walk into any store and buy a pack of smokes and a beer. But you're more concerned with gun laws?
By TWOWARMTTS2 at 24,Jul,18 19:33 other posts of TWOWARMTTS2 
Yes. Last i checked, it’s hard to kill someone in a fit of rage by lightning a cigarette, but, if you think there’s only one problem to solve,,,,,,,,well, let’s get “nekid” and go to the beach
By CountryCouple54 at 24,Jul,18 21:19 other posts of CountryCouple54 
We are there every weekend. And I will probably die of skin cancer one day. So let's go ahead and ban the sun while we're at it.




By leopoldij at 24,Jul,18 03:56 other posts of leopoldij 
Larry Pratt former  executive director of Gun Owners of America, and former member of the Virginia House of Delegates, was asked by Sascha Baron Cohen to support a programme that would arm 3 year old toddlers with guns.  Thinking that he was speaking scientifically, Pratt said the following bullshit:

"The science behind this program is proven. Ch1ldren under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives."

You MUST watch him, and other idiots, in the TV episode of Who Is America here
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Is America Insane, asks the New Republic
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See also the Guardian article
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By leopoldij at 02,Dec,15 18:53 other posts of leopoldij 
There was another shooting and killing today in a social services building in California. More than dozen people liked.
The solution: give everyone a gun, no give them two, but first make sure they're good. If they're bad don't give them guns. This way, the good ones will protect from the bad ones.
So simple, isn't it?
By CountryCouple54 at 03,Dec,15 10:00 other posts of CountryCouple54 
Simple is right. I suggest buying a gun safe. Load it with a couple rifles and shotguns. Stock it with about 3,000 rounds of ammo. Teach your family members gun safety and the proper way to use them. Come up with a plan. And sit back and wait for the Zombies. Because they are coming.
By leopoldij at 03,Dec,15 15:29 other posts of leopoldij 
People, especially the good ones, should be carrying guns at all times, look how many bad guys are out there.
By sherryann at 06,Dec,15 01:14 other posts of sherryann 
Hi Leo. Legal gun owners are not the shooters in these cases. No one places blame squarely on the shoulders where it belongs, on the shooters. Gee, I wonder why... Blaming guns and "gun v.iolence" is getting old, and sounds ridiculous. More people are waking up though,and I hope gun sales continue to rise.
By leopoldij at 06,Dec,15 01:22 other posts of leopoldij 
That's what I said. Good people should buy more guns, machine guns, bazookas, etc. Bad ones should not get any.

By _avg_ at 06,Dec,15 02:29 other posts of _avg_ 
The answer to vioIence is not vioIence.

Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

Was he wrong?
By CountryCouple54 at 06,Dec,15 07:47 other posts of CountryCouple54 
Well there are some of us that don't believe in Biblical storytelling. You are looking at this all wrong. Your stating that the answer to v iolence is not v iolence. It's fighting for your freedom. It's fighting for your country and your right to live free, not in fear. That is not the definition of v iolence. And since you brought up the storytelling of that Biblical book. Doesn't it also say "An eye for an eye"?
By jayman73 at 06,Dec,15 08:54 other posts of jayman73 
I agree 190% We are really fighting for peace in this War. We are just fighting to be left alone. We are fighting so we can continue to enjoy the way of life we live. ISIS has declared War on America, and has declared War on our way of life. While I don't think the answer is stock piling weapons, I do feel We should be able to protect our families and friends. If having a gun can help protect us, so be it. Just get a gun safe and put a loaded gun in the safe, and have easy access to it in an emergency. I don't own a gun, but that's what I would do, if I did.

I'm sure Jesus would want us to be able to protect our family against people trying to kill us, and not let us just be killed without a fight. We have to survive and live, right? Unfortunately talking won't help much if bullets are randomly flying everywhere. When trying to negotiate with a bullet, you'll lose every time.

By _avg_ at 06,Dec,15 11:13 other posts of _avg_ 
I'm an athiest. But even I can recognize that fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
By jayman73 at 06,Dec,15 11:43 other posts of jayman73 
That may have been the case years ago. Right now we are fighting for peace. Fighting just to be left alone, fighting for our lives. What is your suggestion? How do you suggest we go about defeating ISIS and terrorism then? A lot of these measures, especially with the guns, etc are last resorts. We're not just going to start shooting stuff. However, when someone targets me or my family all bets are off. I take shooting someone very seriously. I will not act too hastily, but at the same time will do what I need to to keep my family safe.

By CountryCouple54 at 06,Dec,15 12:29 other posts of CountryCouple54 
Your right. Let's rehabilitate the terrorist. Let's teach them how not to look forward to killing others as well as themselves so they can meet their God. Because they live for their day to die. How do you rehabilitate that. No one is saying that we would run around shooting and killing as they do. (that would be v iolence). I was simply trying to say that defending your life as well as the life's of others. Is not v iolence, it's your damn Rights.
By jayman73 at 06,Dec,15 12:34 other posts of jayman73 
Right on, B.rother!! I couldn't have said it better!!!!

By _avg_ at 06,Dec,15 13:04 other posts of _avg_ 
Gun vioIence in America is not an issue of terrorism; 'terrorists' aren't shooting 200+ Americans everyday, Americans are -- Americans with guns and the belief that it's OK to point guns at one another, with whatever justification.


There are only two solutions to the problem of gun vioIence: remove guns from the equation and remove the willingness to use guns on one another. Both are behavioral, and both will require a change in culture.
By CountryCouple54 at 06,Dec,15 13:49 other posts of CountryCouple54 
Gun control and the Right to defend yourself go hand and hand. You can't take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. That will not take them out of the hands of crazy people. These shootings are not being done by registered guns. The criminals do not shoot with registered weapons. The crazy fucks will always have access to i llegal guns. So your solution of removing them for gun control is pointless. Do you know what kind of Nation wide mayhem it would cause if the crminals knew they were the only ones with guns.
By jayman73 at 06,Dec,15 15:31 other posts of jayman73 

By #164866 at 01,Sep,16 12:30
I carry! Stories of law abiding citizens carrying and stopping a crime in progress, dont make the news, are probably suppressed (no pun intended). And no, I'm not out looking for a reason to use my ccw. It will only be drawn in the worst possible situation. Which happen in places that I stay away from. As a ccw permit holder, must remember, once the trigger is pulled, I am responsible for the path that the bullet travels, sorry wont make it better.
By admin at 01,Sep,16 12:52 other posts of admin 
Those stories are just too many and too ordinary to report. Media thrives on sensation and story about law abiding citizens carrying and stopping a crime in progress - is not a sensation. This happens every day in big numbers. On the other hand, mass shooting stories or stories about law abiding citizens accidentally killing wrong person when trying to stop a crime - are a sensation, because they are rare and unusual.













By leopoldij at 24,Dec,15 08:56 other posts of leopoldij 
Because most people measure everything in terms of money, take a look at this to see how much a random shooting that leaves someone paralyzed costs. Merry Christmas!
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By #57759 at 13,Oct,15 13:45
Each of you should sit down and read the U S Constitution and Bill o Rights before you attempt to argue either. And if you do not like our laws go to anothner country like Russia or Iran.
By JustWill at 13,Oct,15 14:42 other posts of JustWill 
"And if you do not like our laws go to anothner country like Russia or Iran."

Damn...I can't help but laugh whenever someone says something like that. They are always people who forget that the US Constitution was designed to be a LIVING document. The intent of the original drafters was to provide for the PEOPLE to be able to change/modify its contents...through the democratic process...when it was warranted.
If that were not so, slavery would still be legal, women would not be allowed to vote, and equal rights under the law would not be guaranteed to all citizens.
The "Love it or Leave it" attitude is probably the most UN-American concept that a US citizen could express.

By hardonow at 15,Oct,15 12:24 other posts of hardonow 
Much as I admire the way the authors of American Constitution thought deeply and by philosophically attempted to avoid the mistakes made by other more established nation, I am also aware that it was written more than two hundred years ago and was based on the constitutions of the various States existing at the time. The "wild west" had not begun yet, guns seemed relevant at the time in a dangerous mostly wild and unexplored world. Does having a gun for self-defence have the same relevance today?
By talk4s at 03,Dec,15 15:37 other posts of talk4s 
I had SO much trouble concentrating on your comment about the American Constitution. Your cock kept distracting me as it came OVER AND OVER in my peripheral vision!...But after reading your comment OVER AND OVER, I have to agree with you!
By hardonow at 11,Dec,15 12:32 other posts of hardonow 
Thanks on both counts and I am flattered.


By leopoldij at 05,Dec,15 21:23 other posts of leopoldij 
You speak this way (using elementary logic) because you don't live in the US. Most people on that side of the Atlantic argue that they can't have democracy without guns. They also argue that they can't be good without going to church.
By sinanff47 at 06,Dec,15 02:45 other posts of sinanff47 
By "Most people on that side of the Atlantic ..." you are also referring to Canada, Mexico, and all of Central and South America. Those 'guns' and 'church' arguments don't apply much there, even close to the amount of those in the USA.

By hardonow at 11,Dec,15 12:42 other posts of hardonow 
Yes, these seem mixed messages, though there is logic in both. If criminals are armed, then it is natural to want to balance things by being armed for defence. That argument doesn't necessarily make going to church less sincere. And yes, more and more criminals are becoming armed in the UK. But, here we are still not paranoid about being shot either individually or en masse. Such events are still rare. However, as Mr Obama says, a civilised country cannot see over one gun outrage a day for a year and feel this is right.



By _avg_ at 06,Dec,15 03:13 other posts of _avg_ 
For context, I *have* read the US Constitution, particularly the 2nd Amendment, the portion relevant to the debate on gun ownership. Here's the exact wording:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What I read was that states have the right to armed militias as a check on the power of federal institution, not that unaffiliated citizens have the right to lethal weapons as a check against one another.

Indeed, that was the general reading until the Reagan administration; I'll let Supreme Court Justice Stevens explain further: only registered users can see external links

What makes either reading correct? Who says anyone has the right to deprive another of life, in any context?

Further, I would suggest that an armed society is NOT a more FREE society, as more eloquently elaborated here: only registered users can see external links

The division of people into 'good' and 'bad' is a shamefully gross oversimplification that glosses reality and contributes to the marginalization that results in vioIence. Anyone who suggests that dissenters are unwelcome denies the democratic process its place and creates two classes of citizens. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

By most accounts, America owes its success to its inclusiveness and willingness to give grand ideas a chance.

Is that wrong??



By botanic at 09,Dec,15 05:02 other posts of botanic 
Legal ownership of self loading rifles was banned in the UK in 1988 and pistols in 1996 . Nevertheless the criminal use of both these types of guns has risen in the UK since those dates .


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By cumonme1 at 08,Oct,15 19:29 other posts of cumonme1 
I own guns and have never killed or hurt anyone with them I would never ever give them up. People use guns in their violent activities and when the Idiots in DC ban gun ownership the violent people will find other ways to kill or hurt others, there are many other countries that ban gun ownership but you always hear about gun **** in those countries too. When people want to hurt others they will find away to do it. And the way things are going around the world world with isis and other groups i would recommend buying a gun Because I believe we will see more terror activities here in the united states
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hey admin why are you blocking the word **** in my post
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By Sinjid306 at 08,Oct,15 23:04 other posts of Sinjid306 
Get out the aluminum foil! It's time to make hats!

By leopoldij at 09,Oct,15 01:48 other posts of leopoldij 
Two things to consider: who created isis? has a terrorist activity ever been deterred because people had guns?
By #495452 at 15,Oct,15 19:00
Bush created ISIS... by invading Iraq for no reason other than to steal oil.. Destroy IRAQ's govt.... then leave the country in anarchy,,,, thus create ISIS>.
By leopoldij at 16,Oct,15 16:49 other posts of leopoldij 
Well, then, if your statement

"Bush created ISIS... by invading Iraq for no reason other than to steal oil.. Destroy IRAQ's govt.... then leave the country in anarchy,,,, thus create ISIS"

is true and if the statement of cumonme1 above

"And the way things are going around the world world with isis and other groups i would recommend buying a gun Because I believe we will see more terror activities here in the united states"

is also true, who do you think the gun owners should target?



By leopoldij at 29,Oct,15 11:56 other posts of leopoldij 
Any replies yet?
By _avg_ at 06,Dec,15 03:59 other posts of _avg_ 
I suspect you're asking for replies to your statements: "who created ISIS?" and "has a terrorist activity ever been deterred because people had guns?"

The answers are that ISIS created ISIS. It doesn't matter that coalition forces created a power vacuum in territories now controlled by ISIS (though I do not wish to marginalize the culpability said coalition has in the [most recent] destabilization of the region).

That a terrorist attack has been 'thwarted' by the threat of retaliation by armed, non-military citizens is similarly inconsequential, in the near terms. It could equally (and just as validly) be argued that the characteristics of the attack would change in response; the threat of an armed public would be countered by weaponry or tactics which would render that moot.
By leopoldij at 07,Dec,15 07:11 other posts of leopoldij 
Agreed





By leopoldij at 14,Nov,15 18:27 other posts of leopoldij 
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I got a sperm gun already



By leopoldij at 27,Nov,15 06:49 other posts of leopoldij 
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Sweet.


By CountryCouple54 at 09,Oct,15 11:51 other posts of CountryCouple54 
There is no purpose to a gun ban. That only takes the guns out of the hands of the people who need them to rightfully protect themselves, their family, and their property. Criminals will always have a way to get guns, as they do now. Criminals don't walk into a gun shop and purchase weapons. They can't pass background checks as law abiding citizens do. They will buy them off the street as they do now. What everyone should be looking at as you all give stats on the deaths each year. Is look at how many of those shooting deaths actually were caused by a registered weapon. I think you will be suprised. So if the shootings are being done by non registered guns, why in the Hell would anyone want a gun ban. They'll take my guns when they take them from my grandpa and daddy. Just saying.
By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 01:16 other posts of Sinjid306 
I think you've missed something... I don't believe anybody has said anything about a gun "ban".



By #23575 at 10,Oct,15 00:07
Guns were intended to kill humans. The humans who might try to kill me. When I'm out with friends or family, or by myself...I'm much more likely to live with my glock .40 cal pistol safely tucked away were I to be attacked. And yes it's nearly happened to me. Two **** men once tried to carjack my vehicle from me but I was able to drive it away. Were I pulled from my vehicle there would have been two more to add to the list of those shot and killed. You can believe that. But it didnt come to that because I knew my options based on simple training and preparedness.

And who created Isis? They've been around beheading people and reading their single book they're allowed to which says it's ok....for 3000 years. So who really creates them? US policies or Colt 1871 single action revolvers? Or the Russian AK rifle developed in the 50's? Every man 21 and older is required to own a rifle. The one they received in the mandatory 1 year military service. Not much crime there.
By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 01:13 other posts of Sinjid306 
Gun deaths in Russia nearly dwarf the statistics in the United States...



By #23575 at 10,Oct,15 00:10
You think Carson made a dumb statement???? Ever read Mao-Obamas laundry list of dumb statements??? Was he put on the ballot just because he's black? Get real. Are you racist? Carson put HIMSELF on the ballot. And Carson handed Obama his ass at the national prayer breakfast a few years ago. Take a look.
By leopoldij at 10,Oct,15 04:04 other posts of leopoldij 
The fact that Obama makes stupid statements doesn't contradict the fact that Carson does too. It is perfectly rational (and factual) that they both do.

By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 01:09 other posts of Sinjid306 
It honestly confounds me how such stupid shit can come out of the mouth of a man that was a practicing Neurosurgeon.



By #491909 at 10,Oct,15 13:01
Didn't someone else already start this same exact thread???
By leopoldij at 10,Oct,15 13:35 other posts of leopoldij 
Looks like it. The other guy was , however, blacklisting everyone who disagreed with him or everybody who would post comments on behalf of blacklisted members. Feel free to express any opinion here. You won't be blacklisted.
By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 01:06 other posts of Sinjid306 
We see through you leo.




By leopoldij at 07,Oct,15 19:35 other posts of leopoldij 
Clearly, it's education. Starting from common sense. I have friends who taught their toddlers how to shoot guns. At some point, the 5 year old girl was playing with her cousin with a gun. Turns out that the gun was loaded and she blew the 6 year old boy's brains out. The girl is now 18 and a dru.g addict. The parents have bought more guns.
By bella! at 07,Oct,15 20:29 other posts of bella! 
Undoubtedly, these must be Americans because no where else in this whole wide and wild world would this happen.

Get your head out of your ass and open your eyes, this shit is not just synonymous with the United States!
By leopoldij at 08,Oct,15 01:45 other posts of leopoldij 
They're Finns.

By talk4s at 08,Oct,15 13:12 other posts of talk4s 
Well...yes it is synonymous with the United States...Unless you are talking actual wars...then you are absolutely right! If you are talking about gun deaths and a countrie's citizenry/personal gun ownership...then you are just totally wrong.
By #495452 at 12,Oct,15 10:58
I have my own shotgun... I shoot it 2 times a day..with accuracy..
By leopoldij at 12,Oct,15 13:05 other posts of leopoldij 
But be careful not to leave it unattended. Why do you have a gun? Are you afraid of someone?
By #495452 at 12,Oct,15 13:07
I hunt Beavers...I shoot with great aim..
By leopoldij at 12,Oct,15 14:08 other posts of leopoldij 
That's brutal. What did beavers do to you?
By mr_blue at 13,Oct,15 12:37 other posts of mr_blue 
'beaver', Leo, I am surprised you don't know this alternative name for pussy...

By Ramil1 at 15,Oct,15 18:31 other posts of Ramil1 
they tempt and torment him


By Ramil1 at 15,Oct,15 18:30 other posts of Ramil1 
as a matter of interest whats your prefered load for beaver lol
By #495452 at 15,Oct,15 18:35
A double shotgun..
By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 01:05 other posts of Sinjid306 
But that's an actual issue. I've lived in rural Canada my entire life. I was muzzleloading on the weekend and dropped a 5x5. But nobody I know would have the audacity to claim they used a gun for self defense.










By leopoldij at 09,Oct,15 15:42 other posts of leopoldij 
Look how stupid this guy is:
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His name is Ben Carson and he's a candidate for one of the parties in the USA. I guess the put him on the list to get votes from blacks. His statement is .... to die for. ... Of laughter. He's supposed to be an educated person, but, clearly, not in history. Oh well. Whatever works. Whatever will attract votes. ...
By #57759 at 13,Oct,15 13:40
He will get my vote.
By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 00:48 other posts of Sinjid306 
Carson Trump 2016!




By Ramil1 at 15,Oct,15 18:38 other posts of Ramil1 
i think its a point on its own that the less guns sold means job loss in so many businesses etc. I think to campaighn for gun free societys is stupidity at it s worst. In fact more people all over the world should be able to 'legaly' own them and use them for protection. In the UK it is a disgrace how one has to rely on the corrupt police **** for protection. And how its always the 'yobs' and more heavily armed in society that are safer. At the end of the day they try to ban knives, but even that is something that can t be done. Also anything can be used as a weapon and more often in most homicides it IS things like hammers and big spanners axes etc. All of wich can be bought at Aldi or anywhere.
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I think your profile pic is false advertising.



By #420420 at 18,Oct,15 01:29
leopoldij: Ask the Jews in Nazi Germany, the Cambodians under the Khmer Rouge, the Poles in WWII, the Kurds in Iraq, and the myriad others, unarmed, and slaughtered because they could do NOTHING!!! GOod luck finding any of them, because most are DEAD!! The FOUNDERS wrote the 1st, and 2nd Amendments, as the 1ST and 2ND, because these WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO A FREE PEOPLE!! The problem in America is GUN FREE ZONES, where crazy fcks can go, shoot a bunch of people, then kill their cowardly selves before the police can respond!! Don't be one of those 'DISARMAMENT' D-Bags, and quote absurd statistics made to confuse people into giving up their rights!! Hospitals and Medical 'malpractice' and mistakes have killed more than GUNS in the same period!! Cars, even though they didn't exist through part of that period, have killed, or maimed more than that! Cigarettes, and so on, and so on!! If you want to 'save lives' based on statistics, we should band hospitals, cars, and FCKING Bathtubs!! How many lives have been saved, over all those years, with someone, with a gun, loaded, or not, just saying, "Stop or I will shoot you!" No statistics because people don't call the police and say 'I stopped a burger, or rapist, with my gun'!!
By talk4s at 20,Oct,15 14:43 other posts of talk4s 
That's because there are so comparatively FEW lives saved by gun owners Usually, they shoot themselves, their 'loved' ones...rarely anyone that was actually a threat.

By Sinjid306 at 21,Oct,15 00:36 other posts of Sinjid306 
JKSM87! What did I tell you! I said no more fear mongering from behind your keyboard! If you keep this up I'll tell your mother! She'll start punishing your bum bum with the cucumber again! And she'll give you that lecture on how no other developed nations respect American citizens because they say things like this!



By leopoldij at 18,Oct,15 03:26 other posts of leopoldij 
I repeat below what I was aiming at. I got an answer, but not a followup.
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cumonme1:
"And the way things are going around the world world with isis and other groups i would recommend buying a gun Because I believe we will see more terror activities here in the united states."

leopoldij:
"Two things to consider: who created isis? has a terrorist activity ever been deterred because people had guns?"

Sawdust:
"Bush created ISIS... by invading Iraq for no reason other than to steal oil.. Destroy IRAQ's govt.... then leave the country in anarchy,,,, thus create ISIS."

leopoldij:
"Well, then, if your statement is true and if the statement of cumonme1 above  is also true, who do you think the gun owners should target?"
By talk4s at 20,Oct,15 14:41 other posts of talk4s 
Are you answering the question? NO.



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By hardonow at 08,Oct,15 11:18 other posts of hardonow 
Hopefully, we can all see that there is problem in the USA, but other countries too connected to gun ownership or more relevantly gun use. True road deaths too are horrific in any country. When laws are made, some trade-off has to be made with respect of expected damage caused and utility of the action being controlled. Cars enable transport of goods and people. Guns are for killing people - cars are not primarily designed for this purpose. Education and personal responsibility is required for both activities. When dealing with gun control, level headedness and public safety is a priority. Fatuous remarks will result in no progress.
By #495452 at 09,Oct,15 11:30
level headedness and public safety is a priority/////////////People are stupid and those that use guns to kill people need to die...Supporting them in jail for 50 years just makes it worse..Where the money goes to take care of these bastards is another government issue..Compared to using a 50 cent rusty bullet to the head is a lot cheaper..
By hardonow at 15,Oct,15 12:17 other posts of hardonow 
I like the US - I go on holiday there every year and find the people very kind, polite and warm. Yet, I despair at the tragic events that mar the lives of so many relatives of victims. I realise that most Americans too are horrified at the casual use of guns and most States have taken steps towards gun control. I cannot understand how they can see the results of mass shootings and not be so concerned that they wish something (anything) would be better than nothing. Yes, I know with a gun one can defend oneself. Yet now many States have made it legal to use any amount of **** if it is personally thought a threat is being made. There are lots of people who think just the presence of a coloured person or perhaps a group of youths is a threat. In a case like this, where a person perceives an imagined threat a case for a forceful (a gun, knife, club..) response.
By #495452 at 15,Oct,15 18:41
I compare the the American people as stated above thus being in the same group as the american Indian 200 years ago...We are slowly being put into a big giant reservation, thus slowly taking our rights, our jobs, and ability to vote on key laws..They have taken away our education and they have brainwashed us...This was the same strategy they did 200 years ago, Now it is being done to us...Little by little.. The ones corralling us are the top 1% income groups...They make the laws,,, not us.. The elections they preach the same things over and over again, year after year yet turn out to be lying sacs of shit over and over again.. It doesn't matter , Republican or Democrat..
By hardonow at 16,Oct,15 04:54 other posts of hardonow 
I know what you mean. In the UK too, the moneyed classes rule. They are privileged, rig elections, assume top positions, expect the law will be favorable to them, have access to the best of health care and education, unavailable to the rest of us and have procedures, often legal, for the evasion of tax on their often outrageously high wealth. You are correct, it doesn't matter what the political leaning of these people is. Unfortunately, this has always happened in every part of the world but seems to be more common now.

"Sawdust", I know Americans have a very self-reliant approach to life and this is admirable, but an easy access to firearms for anyone cannot be good. I know there are more countries than the USA that have this problem. No matter the responsible behaviour of the majority of gun holders there will always be people who should not have a gun, whether because of mental, psychological or prejudicial problems. I cannot be right that people can carry out such a action as shooting someone on the basis of some fault of character. This will still happen, but surely some effort ought to be made to makes this behaviour more difficult. What do you think?






By #23575 at 10,Oct,15 00:13
Edit: every man in Sweden is highly requested, nearly required, to own a fully automatic rifle.
By leopoldij at 10,Oct,15 07:58 other posts of leopoldij 
There is no need for rifles in Sweden. People don't want them.



By leopoldij at 07,Oct,15 19:52 other posts of leopoldij 
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GUN VIO.LENCE ARCHIVE

2015 (ONLY! ) TOLL OF GUN VIO.LENCE


Total Number of Incidents 40,253


Number of Deaths 10,148

Number of Injuries 20,637

Number of chi*ldren (age 0-11) Killed/Injured 560

Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured 2,023

Mass Shooting 266

Officer Involved Shooting 3,380

Home Invasion 1,719

Defensive Use 922

Accidental Shooting 1,424
By admin at 07,Oct,15 20:24 other posts of admin 
Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 **** under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
By Sinjid306 at 07,Oct,15 21:53 other posts of Sinjid306 
Obviously we should ban cars!

So Admin can you spot the can you spot the difference between Crash deaths and Gun deaths? Or should I explain it to you?
By admin at 08,Oct,15 07:44 other posts of admin 
The guns are intended to kill humans and the cars are intended for transportation but kill more humans than guns. Which means people who operate guns are much more responsible than people who operate cars.

Also, I should point out that in that original stat there are very different numbers. For example - if cops shoot people they would still be shooting people even if you take guns from the population. Also, criminals would still possess weapons. The only difference is that if you take guns away from law abiding citizens there would be no defensive use and accidental shooting deaths.
By Sinjid306 at 08,Oct,15 23:01 other posts of Sinjid306 
Spot on. And you're right there's probably more idiots driving cars then there is holding guns. But I doubt the disparity is as great as you think. But paralleling the two issues doesn't grant us any useful information.

Firearms however are of no use defensively. That's part of the reason society needs to move towards a future where people don't need to defend themselves.



By #495452 at 07,Oct,15 23:31
laws by which they allow impaired drivers on the road is one issue such as old age and lack of ability to react in time. Irresponsible adults such as drunks, teenagers with lack of experience especially the morons texting and using cell phones, reaching for food, ect...And lets not rule out the ones that are just plain stupid. If you go outside very large cities the only way to get transportation is by car. All of California including urban domains you need a car especially in LA..That means the volumes are just too high around the clock./////
Since the topic is Guns, this president is not really qualified to be a true leader, meaning he has no clue what he is doing. Sadly, his cabinet and political party kiss his ass because of their oath of loyalty. Its a real bad mess here right now..
By admin at 08,Oct,15 07:33 other posts of admin 
You are right! Both with guns and cars humans are the problem. Hence the perfect solution would be to kill all the humans.
By mr_blue at 08,Oct,15 07:44 other posts of mr_blue 
It's the common denominator...so makes sense...

Society has to make rules to protect the idiots from themselves...but the people making the rules are idiots....so we are all getting deceived/manipulated by a bunch of idiots....humanity in a nutshell...
By Sinjid306 at 08,Oct,15 23:20 other posts of Sinjid306 
We literally do! When the Highway Traffic Safety Committee was trying to figure out ways to make driving safer. They came up with 3 ideas.
1. Make drivers better.
That was fruitless, because people are stupid. And aren't willing to work harder to save lives.
2. Improve Roadways.
Nope, not gonna happen State budgets! Money! Money! Money!
3. Raise Mandatory Crash Safety Ratings for Vehicles.
This is the one that got used. And it's the reason you can't see out of the back of four door cars built after 2013. They literally made rules to protect people from themselves.










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