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Started by tecsan at 13,Sep,22 07:10  other posts of tecsan
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.



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By tecsan at 20,Feb,24 08:49 other posts of tecsan 
TRUMP 2024.

Fund the POLICE & DEFUND BIDEN.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Defund Trump! Oh, thanks judge Engoron.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:34 other posts of phart 
No defund New York.
Send in millions more illegals, let them run the place down the toilet where it belongs.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 21:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No sign of any Wall Street crash yet. How long until the crisis hits?
How do buildings with TRUMP signs on it keep illegals out? It hurts their eyes?
I do admit many will lose their jobs; construction jobs for Trump.
But, I'm sure they will find some job that pays better. Trump scams his workers too.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:20 other posts of phart 
2 major investors have pulled out of new york, truckers are refusing shipping to new york. I would say the earth is quivering a bit so far.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 10:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
History shows how long right-wing boycots last.
You have the attention span of a goldfish.
By phart at 23,Feb,24 12:28 other posts of phart 
I still boycott a restaurant that offended me in 2012.
some may forget,I don't
By dgraff at 07,Mar,24 12:07 other posts of dgraff 
I still don’t buy any Coca-Cola products ever since they stated they were going to hold classes to teach the workers how to be a little less white what kind of a statement was that crazy
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 12:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Well, it doesn't look like The Coca-Cola Company is suffering from it.
It would be nice if consumer choices actually held companies accountable for disrespecting the principles of their consumers, but it doesn't work that way. That's just another lie they told you about capitalism. People are fooled by messaging too easily.

If their products are liked mostly by conservatives, they act conservative.
If their products are liked mostly by black people, they act 'inclusive'.
If their products are liked mostly by young people, they act hip and woke.

So, if you see a company be hip and woke, you can be sure that you are not
their target market. They don't fear you, because your group doesn't buy their products enough and you support the capitalist system that profits them already.

Teaching the workers "how to be a little less white"
Just distribute some tan-in-a-can! It works for Trump, he looks dead without it.
By tecsan at 22,Mar,24 04:30 other posts of tecsan 
Guess you just explained bud light. I would not allow it in my front door. I still accept un-opened bud light in the back of my truck. It makes for good target practice.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They don't care! Their sales are already up again.
Probably all the woke people who compensate for you.

If they are smart, they brand it as the wokest beer available.
You're not the target market for light beers. That's 'gay'!

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 04:48 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Every restaurant and bar or establishment that serves beer still carries Bud Light and, not only that, all the advertising still hangs on these establishments. So what was proven by this misguided childish stunt? NOTHING.



By phart at 07,Mar,24 13:59 other posts of phart 
Yea, if I happen to go mcdonalds i have to get sweet tea because they sell coke.I don't even like eating at mcdonalds but when the other place is closed , it beats nothing.
I don't give to the salvation army either because of their pamphlet they sent out wanting white volunteers and employees to apologize and all that mess.
Not my fault I was born white,nor is it any else's fault as to the color they were born. You can act like a victim or you can get out there and make your mark on the world. regardless of color
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Mar,24 07:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
True, you are not guilty of anything, just because you're white.
But, you keep voting for a party that has restricting the voting rights of black people and other non-white people as a priority.
That party bans thousands of books from schools, for the only reason that there are black people in it as characters, that they were written by a black person or that it describes black history.
You react to every murder of a black person by police or some fearful grandpa, that they had it coming, because they are 'obviously criminals'.
That's you acquiring guilt for racism, that you haven't been born with.
By phart at 21,Mar,24 10:58 other posts of phart 
You act as if the "fearful" grandpa has no right to defend himself from a black person. Would you feel the same way if the thug they shot was white?
I can't help it blacks don't respect police and are not taught to respect authority.
Banning a book about black history, could it be because it is a bunch of lies and political correctness that doesn't tell the whole story? There is more to the story than most acknowledge .primarly that they were first sold by their own. that is not in most books therefore they are not learning all the truth. they are just taught enough to resent whites, are not taught that their ancestors were sold by their peers. teaching the blacks the truth,would remove the control system that democrats have over blacks,teaching them they are "helpless victums" because of whites only.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Would you feel the same way if the thug they shot was white?"
White people don't get shot when they ring a doorbell.

"could it be because it is a bunch of lies and political correctness that doesn't tell the whole story?"
No, it's because you want to rewrite history, to say slavery was awesome.
In any case, ever heard of the first amendment?

There are no people with a victim complex as big as right-wingers.
You're all a bunch of fragile little crybabies and Trump is the worst one.
By phart at 22,Mar,24 22:24 other posts of phart 
No, I and others like me do not want to rewrite history,we are trying to prevent it from being rewritten by folks with a agenda

No one thinks slavery was awesome. A republican President freed the slaves for petes sake.
What folks don't hear about is slaves staying on at the plantation because they were treated well and some were even buried in the family's cemetery plots.
3000 dollars was alot of money in the 1800's and the new books try to make it seem that all slaves were beaten with in a inch of their lives and starved and etc. BULLSHIT.
they were well taken care, they were sadly legally Property at that time and investments. why on earth would any sane person harm them? How would they work in pain or injured? How would they work starved? Apply a little logic and the woke history suddenly does not add up.
Slavery was terriable, it was ended as far as blacks are concerned but now you can call illegals asylum seekers and hire them over and above US citizens. and control them with fear that they will be sent home if they don't work.that's the woke slave trade.
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Mar,24 15:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A republican President freed the slaves for petes sake."
Sure, and that's why all you Republicans now love the Confederate flag.
You're re-writing history yourself. You know that's all bullshit.
Those were Republicans in name only, and I'm not talking about your RINO conservatives who like the policies of Trump but just not his chaos.
They were the liberals, doing liberal politics, writing the liberal Constitution and caring about liberty for all, including the slaves. The conservatives hated that idea and hated everything the liberals came up with. The Constitution is actually watered down for those Southern conservatives, giving them the electoral college which provided them with more electors per vote.
The liberals favored a majority representative system, like my country has.
You are indoctrinated with the idea that The Constitution is perfect.
First of all, you don't even know what it says and second; it's pretty good, but it was still a compromise, between the liberals who designed it and the conservatives who didn't like that whole democracy thing very much. And that has stayed mostly the same throughout time. Conservatives still don't like democracy, especially not for people who have different opinions. They prefer destroying democracy over losing to the other side. It's also an admission that your opinions are actually not popular. Without constant lying, almost no one would support your ideas.

The slaves didn't stay on the plantation because they were treated well, but because they needed to work for a living and often to pay off the debt to their former owners. Instead of the original slavery, many of them were put in wage slavery or debt slavery. Additionally, it was still a very unsafe time for them. The South was still racist as fuck and would kill lost of former slaves, for just walking around. When you still consider a black kid who rings a doorbell in the evening a mortal danger that you shoot just to be safe, what do you think people back then thought about black people.

Indeed slaves were an expensive investment, but those slaves needed to work very hard to regain that investment. They didn't get their slaves to work that hard for nothing, by just asking them nicely. They needed to be tortured into submission. If you don't understand that, imagine you were in their situation. It always seems like right-wingers are unable to do that. You lot would lay down your lives to protect your guns. Bunker out on your hill, like dgraff, but you don't understand that slaves had NO FREEDOM AT ALL. Many of those slaves were proud warriors, captured by rivaling tribes and sold to the white men. Do you think they would bend over that easy? How delusional are you? They were shown who's the boss in the cruelest ways you could imagine.

"How would they work starved" They got fed, but they were used to eating garbage. The culture called 'soul food' is based on the skill of slaves to make offal and other waste eatable. The black people in your country that are descendant of slaves have no other culture. Unlike Americans from Irish descend, who still celebrate St. Patrick's Day, those black people don't have African culture. That was all beaten out of them, they only have SLAVE CULTURE, with slave music, which is based on singing together in the fields to mike life bearable and slave food, which is based on cooking with garbage.

Your correct that immigrants are abused in almost the same way as slaves were back then. They can go, whenever they want, just like those freed slaves that stayed on the plantation, because they have nowhere to go. They didn't get a ticket back to Africa. Hell, lots of them were born into slavery and had never seen Africa. Where would you go, if you were born on a plantation, in a country where you are not safe anywhere else. Most immigrants are leaving poverty and violence. Do you think they wouldn't leave their exploiters, if they had a better place to go to or a better job to survive on? That exploitative system isn't 'woke', that's what right-wingers created for employers to exploit CHEAP LABOR. Republicans only cut and gut labor inspection.

It's the jobs that Americans don't want to do, because those jobs suck or pay even less than the jobs that lots of Americans still do. I told you many times that you should crack down on those employers. If there are still no Americans for those jobs, then you give those immigrant workers green cards and make sure they cannot be exploited anymore. Then the citizens who came to the US further in the past, have a chance to compete with them too. Then less of you won't have to work 12 hours per day, 7 days per week either. You're all getting exploited. You can change that by starting with the immigrants. Keeping the immigrants out won't work, mostly because your Republicans don't want to. They take orders from big corporations, who want their raw materials for cheap, to make more profit. That involves exploitation of the people who make those raw materials. It's either illegals or American citizens, but they will exploit who ever they can to make more money. Normally you support that. You would support exploitation of illegals too, if they hadn't sold you the story that they are to blame for your exploitation 24/7 on your right-wing 'news' channels that they bought and own.
By phart at 27,Mar,24 23:49 other posts of phart 
proud warriors? If they got caught by the other tribe and traded, they were Loosers.
Soul food, Sheesh, beans,tators, pork chops, what is garbage about that?
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Mar,24 14:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If they got caught by the other tribe and traded, they were Loosers."
You can fight proudly and still lose. When the white men gives one side weapons that outclass another's side, you can fight proudly, with all your might and still lose. Many died rather than being sold to the slavers, but some got captured. Many woman and children and teenage boys were traded as slaves. When too many men were killed to fight the slavers, women started fighting too.
Go see 'The Woman King'. What am I saying, way to woke for you.

That soul food has of course evolved a bit from the absolute garbage that it was when they were slaves, to ingredients from hunting and gathering when they were freed, to cheap ingredients and leftovers during the segregation era, to still cheap ingredients with some extra's now.

"Slave rations were often meager and frequently consisted largely of leftovers and "undesirable" foods from the masters' kitchens such as
pork ribs, ears and chitterlings (the pig's small intestine)."
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"beans,tators, pork chops" are not expensive ingredients.
It's literally based on the cheapest ingredients possible.
When the slaves were free, as soon as possible they stopped eating garbage themselves and started raising pigs, that they could feed the garbage.

Go read something about it, before you come up with BS like this.
You can literally go to Wiki and learn something.
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By phart at 29,Mar,24 18:54 other posts of phart 
You aint from the south that's for sure.
Anytime you go to the nearby county, there will be a sign, "BAZAAR" "Chittlin's cornbread and fried chicken all you can eat"
Go by that church on that day and you will see Lexux,and Cadillacs in the lot.
they can eat better now, they CHOOSE not to.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Mar,24 10:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We were talking about CULTURE, originating from slavery,
segregation and poverty, not CURRENT poverty.

Did you even get the main point?
Most immigrants keep the culture alive from the country they come from; people of Irish descent have St. Patrick's Day, people of Italian descent have their food, so do lots of other cultures. Many people still have their religion.

The descendants of slaves have no culture from the original African countries they came from. You can be sure those countries they came from had cultures. Go to Africa and see a culture that's older than yours (if there is even something like an American culture). But none of that culture remained, because slaves were forbidden to have a culture.

Maybe you think that's a small thing, but your side is crying 24/7 about culture stuff. Just an example; when liberals try to respect other cultures, by saying "Happy holidays!", you lot go apeshit over that almost every Christmas time.
By phart at 31,Mar,24 11:53 other posts of phart 
if they want african culture, Delta is ready when they are to go BACK to where their culture is.The lack of air conditioning, the poor health care,the lousy food supply, the fighting in the streets,oh, well, hell that's not much different than the neighborhoods they have built for themselves here, so they do have the same cultures.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't know if they want African culture, that's not the point.
The point was that they had a right to it, and white people stole it.

You are using the argument that black people shouldn't be so angry about slavery, because they have all those luxuries now. Even if that's true now, generations of African people lived and died as slaves,
were subjugated, tortured and murdered. Then after slavery, their descendants were treated like garbage for several more generations.
Even now after more generations, their descendants have the same rights, by law, not in reality, people like you still keep blaming them,
for not keeping up with the rest of Americans. Whatever blame they could ever have themselves, white Americans have much more of it.
That includes you personally, because you're taking part in the movement that doesn't want to allow them the chance to catch up,
or even allow them equal chances to do it themselves.
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:20 other posts of phart 
you can't help those that won't help themselves.
When will you understand that folks like in harlem, could leave but WON'T because they don't care?
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 17:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Apparently you understand them better.
Surprising, because you never showed any empathy before.
By phart at 02,Apr,24 21:19 other posts of phart 
empathy is sometimes taken as weakness
you try to help someone,let your guard down and thats when they harm you,steal from you etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 09:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Not SYMPATHY, EMPATHY; the ability to understand people
by imagining yourself in their position.

You don't do that, you're just giving your opinion of them.

I'm sure you can already predict the term I'm using for it;
straw-manning.
It's pretending to represent other peoples attitude or opinion,
while you're only representing your own opinion about them.



By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Apr,24 14:54 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That’s wrong Phart. How do you suggest these people in the Bronx pay for a move out of the Bronx? Same for any one that lives in a poor section of the city they live in? You yourself said in a post that’s in the Dumpster that you’ve never been to NYC because you couldn’t afford it. You enjoy the fruits of an inheritance where you have a homestead. Most poor people pay rent and are not able to have a side hustle like mowing lawn’s or repairing whatever.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 18:40 other posts of phart 
If you are homeless in the bronx or have very little, what is there to leave? WALK to another city, ask around for a job, start over.
If you can sweep floors, get a job sweeping floors in partial exchange for the privilege of sleeping in the back shed until you save up money for a place to rent.
What is preventing people from having side hustles?
What is preventing people that have NOTHING from trying?

Most jobs require tools and knowledge,
BUT all jobs require a BRAIN. and all humans have a brain.or they couldn't breath.
So with that 1 tool in hand, and a good pair of shoes, you start walking and if you see a unmowed lawn, you ask the owner,can i mow your lawn for 20 bucks if you have a mower? "sure" , walk away with 20 bucks.
and go forward.
YOU have to be MOTIVATED to try, or if you are on the government tit, you will lie there in squaller till you die.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Apr,24 18:56 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Have you any idea how many"lawns" there are in the Bronx. Also, who said we were talking about the homeless?
By phart at 08,Apr,24 20:08 other posts of phart 
if you are in the bronx, you are pretty much homeless.
Besides, I said if you have nothing to loose by leaving ,walk somewhere else that there may BE some lawns to mow.
Or windows to wash or bricks to lay or dead animals to remove from the street or,a fucking job of some kind.
Anything to start your life over again and stop blaming everyone else.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 09:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You got that wrong, if you are in Port Royal, Naples, Florida,
then you are pretty much homeless, unless you are part of the 5% who can afford a house there.

If you are in the Bronx, then you have a much higher chance to be able to afford a roof over your head and not be homeless.










By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 04:23
What's all this stupid silly ducky stuff.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Mar,24 11:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What's this stupid silly ducky comment?
By phart at 31,Mar,24 11:56 other posts of phart 
duck,a waterproof chicken with a kazoo.

By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 18:42
Are you autistic? Autistics repeat a lot.
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:21 other posts of phart 
i only said it once?


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 07:28
Studying the scientific methods of research is not in your specialty
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Try to actually formulate an argument for once and maybe we could talk about the scientific methods of research. By the way, I've been educated in the scientific method starting 34 years ago and I've been actively using it for the last 25 years.

You say you have a medical professional job. That requires scientific thinking or at least logical thinking. I've not seen you using it.
It would be nice, if you tried.
By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 21:16
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By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 21:22
You form a hypothesis
you collect data for analysis
you formulate a conclusion.
Does it show consistency?
If it confirms this you have developed theory.
If there is no adversity as time goes on then it becomes a law and sound.

You say you are smart and experienced for 25 years on scientific method but have yet to demonstrate what you preach.

Until you can prove to me what you say I consider it a political lie. You fail in presenting logical arguments that we can use to compare and contrast. All I hear from you is bullshit showing links of personal biased fake news but until this point you have failed to show concrete facts. I do.

T here is a difference between logic and critical reasoning. You lack ability to demonstrate any of these requirements that you claim to possess. IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE.!!

Are you paying attention yet because this is important. I shit you not man

. You hate the republican president that has nothing to do with you. Its hatred towards this man lacks moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities.

Just like the German Nazi's from 1932-1945. This is all I see is your hate. Nothing less, nothing more and you prove it constantly. I've given you many chances to display critical reasoning and you waste this opportunity every single time.

I've said this before but you are too stupid to assimilate. Unfortunately, not to my intention I've exposed your hypocrisy throughout the site now. The more you do this the more stupid you appear.

Therefore, your opinions are not important or influential for me.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 18:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I told you (or previous TS iterations) that we don't have to perform formal argumentation theory here or support every opinion with the conclusions of some study. If science applies, that's preferable, but about 90% of the topics here are not related to science. Still, scientific thinking develops logical thinking; the ability to recognize patterns, draw correct conclusions and the ability to analyze problems and come up with effective solutions.

How difficult is it to present some facts, that we can both agree on
as being real and then provide a logical argument to support an opinion? Or, as an alternative, present an opinion and a reason for why you have the opinion. I used to think it's simple, but talking to people on this website has showed me how many people completely lack that ability.

I'm sure you do it in your profession, when you argument why a scan has failed or when you think equipment is malfunctioning. If someone else then disagrees with you, are you questioning his moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities?

Our disagreements started when you formulated your morality as 'right and wrong' and say you base it on altruism. I asked you to make a logical connection between that basis and your political opinions. I have done that myself, but your explanation sounded to me like the ramblings of an over-medicated mental patient. Maybe we really do not understand each other, but I think I at least put in an effort to explain my socialist values to a people who have been fed right-wing propaganda from birth. That's clear as day, when all of you associate socialism with Venezuela and Hitler. That's just parroting what you've heard and never gave it one coherent thought in your life. The most well-know person in the US, who supports socialist values is Bernie Sanders. Tell me when you last have heard him defend Venezuela or Hitler. He's talking about providing people healthcare and education and a living wage. Did Hitler care about those things?

Every time I ask you something, you want to first agree on definitions. Can't we agree that most things are defined as most of the dictionaries define them? Then, if there are misunderstandings, we can clarify what things mean to us.

I have specific critique of your former Republican president. I don't just say that the man 'lacks moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities', I support that opinion by telling everyone what I've seen him do and say and what is said about him, supported by credible sources. If I hate him, then it's not for partisan reasons, not even for his ideas, but because of his actions and his attitude. Still, when he was suffering from Covid, I genuinely both felt sorry for him, combined with a feeling of justice being served. When he makes a good joke, I can still appreciatie his humor. I would say, that's impossible if I truly hated the man. I do really disrespect him for lying and conning so many people, but I also blame the people who believe lies and get conned. I do sort of recognize his talent to fool so many people, it's definitely a skill. It's the only skill he has that made him the man he is. I wouldn't call him successful, because everyone with a brain, starting with hundreds of millions of dollars in inheritance, would be able to hire some good people to run their business for them. Trump even failed that, unless hiring that many crooks for your business is intentional. The only money he really made was playing a successful businessman on TV, all his other venues were mediocre successes at best. He went bankrupt six times, even with a casino. He has been in more courtrooms than most lawyers, getting sued by countless people he screwed over on a daily basis. Give me his father's money and I would do many times better, without having to do all that fraud and exploitation.

What I've done is formulating my opinions and my reasons for having them. If your only counterargument is calling my arguments stupid, then you're only exposing your own hypocrisy, because then you show that you're too stupid to assimilate anything.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 21:28
I'm rubbing my eyes hoping you don't cry me a river. You have no scientific or reasoning ability concerning moral ethics or justice. I really don't know what else to tell you and until you learn to be objective we have nothing to talk about.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 16:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Here's an idea; show that you have any scientific or reasoning ability concerning moral ethics or justice.


By phart at 03,Apr,24 15:18 other posts of phart 
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" young Germans are urged to fight the negative health effects of life in modern cities by exercising together and engaging in wholesome social activities instead of drinking and smoking"

I must admit,No I don't hear many democrats ask young people not to smoke and drink ,they seem to encourage it actually.
I guess the theory is, if they are high they will vote for who allows them to be high?
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 15:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, outright fascism contains a value that discipline is good.
That discipline is only intended to better serve the Fьhrer.
Hitler was also concerned with the health of his soldiers, researching the minimum daily requirement for vitamins and minerals, that is still mostly used until today, they say.
It was all intended to maximize the efficiency of his army.

Evil despots cannot get a country behind them with 100% pure evil,
they fool you with talk about discipline, patriotism and sacrifice for the good of the country, and then they do the 100% pure evil.
Might be good for you to understand that. Because it's applicable.

The Democrats don't encourage smoking and drinking,
they just consider it FREEDOM to do that if you want.
Republicans used to stand for personal freedom once,
now you just stand for servitude to the wealthy.

Why would freedom only be popular with young people?





By phart at 02,Apr,24 00:52 other posts of phart 
I tend to read some science,but then i look at who funded what I am reading and go from there.people tend to lean towards where the paycheck comes from.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 03:45
What I emphasize is common reasoning. What makes sense here. I can be scientific but if people don't understand right from wrong then what can I do?

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The whole scientific method is based on the acknowledgement that people tend to lean towards where their paycheck comes from.
That's the reason for the peer reviews. Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them. There is no right or wrong in science, there are only varying levels of probability. Still, some of those probabilities are the best approximation of certainty that is possible and there is no better method to exceed that level of near certainty.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 21:39
The scientific method is based on LOGIC.
Critical reasoning is the ability to find truth not only with yourself but understanding the true nature of existence which includes people.

You are not only lacking knowledge for reasoning but I submit all are you showing is not logical either.

Anything the left media tells you, then you believe. They want you to hate their political adversaries and for you it works for them. You've been used your entire life. Totally.

There are 3 types of people:
1)Good people```20%
2) Bad people, pure evil 15%
3) Misled people--65%j

Pure evil people you just take their power. Misled people are victims, Good people are true leaders and teachers of representing Justise and virtue.

The true nature of existence is knowledge you do not have or just not enough. Your hatred of this man is not only illogical, it makes no common sense whatsoever. This show your ignorance and being selfish.  Very similiar to the Nazi's finding their own justification for stealing the property of Jews and then murder every single one of them. I find your assertions boring and until you have to have better desires to find truth as it is ,,, we're done.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 14:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
SCIENCE is based on logic, the scientific METHOD is based on formulating hypotheses and trying to prove them wrong.

Sure, with logic, but I was talking about the METHOD.
You don't prove hypotheses right, you fail to prove them wrong.

As Albert Einstein famously said: "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

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By #712828 at 03,Apr,24 14:25
You are diverting from the point. Your irrelevance in trying to divert is exposed with clarity.

Scientific method is to use logic to create a hypothesis then test.

Critical reasoning you have no skills at all since you do not believe in God which means you have no instincts where logic is not the answer solving puzzles or finding answers. You need to go beyond logic and use your humbleness for basic understanding. You have not shown any skills. Since you reject God in reality there is no way for you to use these skills. You have 1 dimensional thinking when you actually need 4 dimensions. L x H X W X T===understanding. You have no heart, only assertions that are not debatable since you've already made up your mind including hating Trump. This is not debatable since you've made up your mind but you are also judging people that have nothing to do with you. America first. Biden is America last and collect money betraying Americans. We have nothing to talk about based on your limitations, experience and choices you've made, already made. You just don't understand me since you go in circles..

I'm not here to prove you wrong. I could care less. I'm here to tell the truth I know is sound. Hypothesis, theory, law, sound. Concrete facts. You don't agree, well ok.

Furthermore people on here are starting to listen to me more than they are listening to you. You want to keep bullshitting its your dime.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Apr,24 17:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm not diverting from the point, I said:

"The whole scientific method is based on the acknowledgement that people tend to lean towards where their paycheck comes from. That's the reason for the peer reviews. Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them."

"Scientific method is to use logic to create a hypothesis then test."
And if you are doing real science, you are designing the test in a way to prove your hypothesis wrong, if it is actually wrong.
If you are designing your tests to try to confirm your hypothesis, then you are doing science wrong.

What do you think 'CRITICAL reasoning' means? It's trying to find errors in arguments, not trying to confirm argument, which is the basis of the scientific METHOD, as I explained it.
By #712828 at 05,Apr,24 19:11
Scientific method is to find out the truth regardless of any circumstances.
Critical reasoning requires a stoic form understanding reality exploring the true nature of existence. What do I mean by this? Logic is a poor way although it could be useful as a tool but where critical reasoning is required involves stoicism, patience and the ability to listen empathically. Wisdom, yes?

Wisdom is not logic. But logic is and can be used as a tool.. Wisdom is learned throughout the course of time when you truly want to find out what is real and what is not.

Logic is a tool to think. Wisdom is how you feel given the circumstances or environment. Another form of wisdom is known as judicial knowledge in order to find harmony and most of all,,,,, Freedom. The hand the mind and the heart when they work together create perfect harmony. The only way to achieve this is using wisdom and judicial critical moral reasoning. There is no exceptions. Finding truth on this scale is based on how you feel not by what you thihk.

What I mean is you use your compassions to find truth. You are an atheist, so you go by logic which is not logical on political discussion. God does not exist for you so your reasoning abilities are severely limited. Certain topics require critical reasoning, or your logic will become flawed. Your 5 senses, at the moment, and here-say arguments with Trump Derangement Syndrome. If you can strive to be all true rather than egoism and pride it should be easier with time, practice and learning..

In your situation with Trump you try to impress logic as to why you hate him. But you use links and fake news to strengthen your assertions. You use your hate in forming truth. You are better than this person and you know everything kind of attitude. This is a defense mechanism known as rationalization. Such as your suffering because of Trump without taking into responsibility of your own actions as to why you are suffering. This is a false sense of truth and in the end you end up with hatred and lack of spiritual growth requiring critical reasoning skills.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Apr,24 18:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You find the truth, by cutting away the logical errors.
That's what critical thinking is all about.

Another term for a logical error is a fallacy.

By #712828 at 06,Apr,24 20:18
I never said cutting away anything. Why is it that you are the only one on here that doesn't have a clue what I'm saying?
Are you stupid or ignorant? It's both.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Apr,24 17:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know, I did. I'm saying it, because there is only one way to be correct and an infinite was to be wrong. That's why science and critical thinking focuses on trying to prove hypotheses wrong and arguments erroneous. If you don't understand that, your basic understanding of science and critical thinking is wrong.

One simple method we use in the company I work for, to find the cause of a safety incident, quality issue or some other problem is a fishbone diagram. There are varying versions going around, but they are all based on considering every possible source of the problem, by categorizing sources, considering all the possibilities and then methodically invalidating every HYPOTHESIS that can be easily dismissed, further investigating everything that can't.



It's a very simple logical tool, intended for our production employees, based on the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. For more complicated problems the supporting department(s) (that I work for) use various multivariate analysis tools, also based on eliminating hypothesis, rather than confirming them.
That's very important, because it prevents confirmation bias.

I was focusing on just this subject, in the hope of getting any agreement between us. You're the one diverting from the point.
However, I see it doesn't work, so lets move on with other points you are making.

I sort of agree with your idea of wisdom. I would define wisdom as the experience of having used logic and critical thinking so often, that a person understands how to make the right decision, without having to analyse a problem or solutions very deeply, but comes to the correct answer on intuition. It's a rare thing. I consider some well-known philosophers to be wise, a few political founders and a few writers. The only person I have ever known, who I consider wise was my Senior Manager, who has since left our company. I have learned very important things from him.

I am an atheist that doesn't believe any gods or a god exists, that's different from 'God does not exist for you'. There are only 3 things that religions claim that I consider possibly true.
1) There might be a supreme being that imagined everything into existence. I do not consider it likely, but science doesn't have any evidence in favor or against it, so I hold it as a possibility.
2) There might be something remaining of our essence after we die. I do not consider it likely, but science is unable to disprove this supernatural thing either.
3) There are probably texts in the holy books that are based on actual events. I don't think at all that even a letter in those books are inspired by the possibly existing supreme being, but people could have surely been inspired by the thought of such a supreme being existing and trying to imagine what such a supreme being would want. Everything in those books is to me obviously the work or at best the best attempts of ignorant, primitive men, trying to explain the world from their incredibly limited perspective, possibly trying to improve their tribal world and maybe even trying to present themselves as representatives of a supreme being to rule over the ignorant, gullible masses.

There is no logical reasoning or scientific evidence supporting the existence of god. You only think so, because you are told so and you believe it. You think that you have the truth, just like everyone else who has some completely different religious ideas. They base their ideas on a god, just like you and still have completely different ideas than you. Still, all you believers think you're the one who are right and everyone else is wrong. That's extremely arrogant. The likelihood that you are correct and everyone else is wrong is at least 1 in a million.

At least I don't consider myself to be correct, because of basing ideas on supernatural guidance. I base my ideas on evidence and logic and I can immediately change my mind on almost anything, as soon as I'm presented with evidence and logic that is stronger than the evidence and logic I previously held on the subject.
I would immediately accept the existence of god, if god presented me with sufficient evidence to believe in them (I don't say him, because it's ridiculous to think god is a man. It's just an example of the flawed ideas in the holy books.).

You keep accusing me of egoism and pride. If your ideas are based on Christianity, I would expect some more humility.
You should read that book of yours a bit more careful. Matt. 7 Verses 3 to 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
You accuse me of using links and fake news to strengthen my assertions, but you are supporting your claims with NOTHING. You just call everything I say a lie or nonsense, without any arguments against it, and then talk about 'egoism and pride'. Your arrogance has no limits. Even if you had all the wisdom in the world, the way you communicate it wouldn't convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
By #712828 at 07,Apr,24 20:47
Wisdom is everything. My knowledge of wisdom is to just listen while the fool's chatter. Stoicism.

2 things we need is time. We cannot exist without time. The other thing is inspiration. Without that then we have no purpose. none. Money, control and propaganda is the devil's tool of diversion.

You don't believe in God therefore inspiration to you does not exist. What would be the point?

Money and politics in reality does not exist.

What does exist is ideas by which you create an inspiration from being inspired. When money, politics(propaganda), greed and egoism overwhelm our true purpose it leads to destruction.

Socialism has never worked, never. So after 100s of attempts you still create this stupidity.

Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?
By phart at 08,Apr,24 00:21 other posts of phart 
is this "scientific method" anything like a troubleshooting flow chart
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By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 03:46
The scientific method
Make an observation.
Ask a question.
Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
Test the prediction.
Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.

Question, Research, Hypothesis, Experiment, Data Analysis, Conclusion, and Communication.

In this section you don't need scientific argument Trump created any felonies by questioning the election results. 1st amendment. No question is submitted because you already have fact.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 08:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I KNOW!!! I was talking about "TEST the prediction"!!!

How do you do that? YOU TRY TO PROVE IT FALSE!!!
Prove it false, then move on with a hypothesis that might be better. If you cannot prove it false, then you have learned something new. The next hypothesis would be designed to test the limits of the new thing you learned, by proving the next hypotheses false. You learn more from proving a hypothesis false, than from confirming a hypothesis.
That's the scientific method.
You are literally confirming my point there.

What part of this claim do you think is wrong: "Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them." ?

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There are LIMITS to free speech. You can just go to e.g. Wikipedia and find out:
"Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, false statements of fact, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also a category which is not protected as free speech."

Or you go to the source and read one of the U.S. Supreme Court opinions on the First Amendment.
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As an example: If you say to a hitman: "I would like my neighbor to die and I donate this $100,000 to you for a good cause." and then he kills your neighbor, that is still
the crime: 'conspiracy to commit murder'. You might say:
"No crime, free speech!", but then you are wrong.

Trump has been accused of three criminal conspiracies:
a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k); and
c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.

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When Trump said: "We're going to 'open up' libel laws..",
he was saying that the limits to free speech weren't strict enough, he wanted to make more speech illegal and make
it easier to sue people for libel. Trump hates free speech, unless it's HIS free speech.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 14:42 other posts of phart 
Where does it say all these things we can't say?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I Do not see any specific things that are prohibited here.
"or abridging the freedom of speech"

abridging,
"verb (used with object),a·bridged, a·bridg·ing. to shorten by omissions while retaining the basic contents: to abridge a reference book. to reduce or lessen in duration, scope, authority, etc.; diminish; curtail: to abridge a visit;to abridge one's freedom."

speech,
"the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds."

Freedom
"the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint."

So that tells me, I can utter any words I please.
What it does make me wonder is, can I PRINT IT,that is not a sound, BUT the amendment does include "PRESS" so that is the printed word.
so sure there is some thinking to do,but this freedom of speech thing needs to be addressed.
We do have freedom of speech here.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 17:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Constitution is not the only law you have dumb-ass!
And the first amendment is not the only amendment.
Having unlimited freedom of speech would negatively affect the freedoms and rights of other people. That's why freedom of speech is limited to those things that would negatively affect the freedoms and rights of other people: like obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, false statements of fact, and commercial speech such as advertising and defamation (libel).

Do you think child pornography isn't speech or that it should be legal?

Meanwhile, Republicans are banning books, so how about not abridging the freedom of speech?

And how about Trump opening up those libel laws then?

You're just showing complete ignorance of the law and hypocrisy.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 18:37 other posts of phart 
Uh, what part of what i wrote doesn't jive with you?
What other law? If there is a law that abridges freedom of speech, it is unconstitutional.
As for kidy porn,of course it is bad, but that is a issue with a crime against a person,not a noise or printed WORD.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Where does it say all these things we can't say?"

So you do understand that kiddy porn is bad, because that is a issue with a crime against a person. We are getting somewhere.

I explained below, how ALL the other limits to the things you can't say are an issue with a crime against another person.

FRAUD: When there is someone gaining from fraud, there is someone losing from that fraud. Money doesn't appear from thin air (unless a bank creates money, but than that money created is turned into a debt somewhere else). It comes from someone who is defrauded, who can be a customer, a random person with a money account, a business owner, shareholders, beneficiaries of a pension fund, the taxpayer and it is always everyone who does business honestly and is competing against people creating a higher return or getting benefits they don't get, by using fraud to their advantage.

SPEECH INTEGRAL TO ILLEGAL CONDUCT: Speech like: "How about I give you $1000 and you forget you saw me do a crime"? Or "We have to get rid of these stolen purses. Can you burn them in your incinerator? Sure, bring them in at 2:00 AM."

SPEECH THAT INCITES IMMINENT LAWLESS ACTION: "Let's go bomb the embassy! I'll go research the best way inside and you go research the recipes for bombs made with household ingredients." No direct crimes there, but that speech is still considered a crime, because there is a crime associated with it.

SPEECH THAT VIOLATES INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW: Creating a logo or name meant to confuse buyers into thinking they're buying the original brand. That is considered 'speech', while it's not saying anything with words. It is illegal, because it would be theft of customers that belong to the original brand.

TRUE THREATS: "If you want your wife and children to be safe, you'd better move your business elsewhere!"

FALSE STATEMENTS OF FACTS: "Dear shareholders, today we have acquired our biggest competitor in our market at a price we can recover in 1 year of our original turnover, but we expect this takeover will increase our revenue by 80%, within 6 months.", while the negotiations with the competitor has been paused, because their company value was insufficient at the time to buy the competitor. The false statement of facts will result in the stock price of the company shooting up, raising the company value, allowing them to buy the competitor.

COMMERCIAL SPEECH: "Our hair growth lotion has been proven to increase the hairy surface of the scalp, by 50% in 60% of the test subjects with progressed hair loss!", while they haven't done any research whatsoever and the product just contains grass extract.

DEFAMATION (LIBEL): "I would advise against hiring Tom Smith, because we caught him stealing our products and selling them on the black market. He has also sexually assaulted several of our female employees.", while that isn't true, but the person saying it has a grudge against Tom Smith, because he once got promotion that they felt entitled to.

OBSCENITY: I have some problem with this limit on free speech. What one would find obscene might be their opinion based on religion, and your Constitution says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." It would be 'law respecting an establishment of religion' to determine speech 'obscene' by basis of a religious opinion. Allowing that speech that some people might determine 'obscene' does NOT prohibit the free exercise of their religion. They can just not watch that 'obscene' material. Your free exercise of your religion stops, where the free exercise of someone else's religion (or lack thereof) begins. Unless the 'obscene' material damages someone, it shouldn't be censored. Even when it might be damaging to children, it's up to the parents to protect their children from seeing that material. Still, the person or entity displaying or providing the obscene material has a responsibility, withing reason, to prevent displaying or providing the obscene material to children.


By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:50
With free speech comes with responsibility. Such as being morally correct.
Yelling a fire in a crowded movie theater is against the law especially when YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE. You go to jail under disturbing the peace.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 10:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So, if I understand correctly, according to you, speech is only a crime, if you are doing another crime with it and then you can only be charged for the other crime and not the speech itself?
By #712828 at 09,Apr,24 16:57
Disturbing the peace and causing chaos by speaking is a crime. Using speech to disturb the peace is a crime. misdemeanor criminal offense. Punishable with fines/jail or both.
Committing a crime and disturbing the peace the penalties can be concurrent or consecutive depending on the offenses and/or judgement of the court.
It is against the law. hat Constitutes Disturbing the Peace?
States and local communities enact laws that make it a crime to create a public disturbance or commotion. Sometimes these crimes may be called disorderly conduct. These laws vary from state to state, so it makes sense to review the elements of the crime. Disturbing the peace laws typically prohibit:

Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place;
Using offensive language or "fighting words" in a public place that are likely to incite an immediate violent reaction;
Shouting in a public space intending to incite violence or unlawful activity;
Bullying a student on or near school grounds;
Knocking loudly on hotel doors of sleeping guests with the purpose of annoying them;
Holding an unlawful public assembly;
Shouting profanities, offensive words, or slurs out of a car window in front of a person's home over an extended period of time;
Allowing excessive dog barking in a residential area; and
Intentionally playing loud music during the night that continues, even after a fair warning.

In the case of Donald Trump since he has not been found guilty of anything and has been victimized with slander by the fake news complex it constitutes unlawful since they know it is not true thus disturbing the peace. What saves them is that they are corrupt up to the highest levels or courts here. It is against the law legally and morally but because of the justice system here there is no implementation. So Far.. But the constitution says what it says. You have these rights but it comes with responsibility when you are given power on any level including speech. Such as the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. You have this right but it does noy mean you can kill someone with it. Same principle.

By #712828 at 09,Apr,24 23:45
Disturbing the peace. You here are doing it mildly since what you are stating you know is untrue. Propaganda is a crime. Slander is a crime. Freedom requires responsibility and that includes free speach.
I've said Disturbing the peace 4 times now. What is so hard for you to understand other than you being stupid?
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 07:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, you did say ‘disturbing the peace’ 4 times, but you’re still not clear why you address that.
Freedom of speech is exactly the right to disturb the peace, as long as you’re not violently doing it or hurting anyone, in the way I described before.

Propaganda is not a limit of free speech or freedom of the press. Propaganda is defined as “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view”. If propaganda was illegal, every single media company would have long been canceled. The problem is that it is impossible to appoint or elect an independent, unbiased arbiter commission, that is tasked with deciding what is propaganda and what is not. Media companies are only legally culpable, if they violate those limits of free speech.

Indeed, slander is a crime. It's just another term for defamation and libel, which I already addressed.

You better understand that no media company can be trusted to report reality in an unbiased, objective manor. They are allowed by law TO LIE TO YOU, limited only by the categories I commented on before.

You accuse me of believing propaganda, but you're the one thinking that propaganda is a crime, which is terribly naive. I trust no one, unless they provide evidence, based on verifiable facts and logical arguments.

In the US, you still have the Society of Professional Journalists, who uphold the SPJ Code of Ethics, but they cannot legally act against propaganda, unless those limits of free speech are violated. What they do is making reports about all the media companies, including news outlets, and assess their adherence to the standards of ethical behavior. The are allowed to tell a news outlet that they cannot call themselves ‘News’ anymore.

Fox ‘News’ has been reprimanded many times by the Society of Professional Journalists. Here is an article of the SPJ saying “No responsible journalist can accept or excuse this behavior”; only registered users can see external links
“Text messages, emails and other recently disclosed court evidence in the case appear to show that popular prime-time Fox News hosts, with support from network executives, gave their viewers false and misleading information, apparently out of concern that fact-based reporting would damage the company’s brand, allowing competitors to siphon away viewers” is saying; Fox News is doing propaganda.
Fox 'News' doesn't care about the responsibility of using their free speech wisely, they were created by Rupert Murdoch with the sole purpose of promoting right-wing political views, with biassed and misleading reporting. (awaiting your false equivalence fallacy).
By #712828 at 12,Apr,24 23:12
Disturbing the peace is against the law. What part of law do you not understand. The laws in our constitution designate Socratic law based on moral correctness (one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.) Why UNDER GOD? Moral correctness.
You need to go back to school to study humanities before you can debate here. Education is not how much you know but how humbled you are in terms of having the desire to learn. You have yet to impress me with this injunction.

Oh and by the way. Everytime you praised the fake news in such a way displays your unrelenting fucked up belief that they are telling the truth. You make me sick to my stomach. Im so glad you are not an american. Speaking as an american you are not welcomed here. Not if I could help it. I don't want you here. We have enough problems with treason to worry about. Stay there.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 10:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all" Is the Pledge of Allegiance, not The Constitution. Your founders didn't make up the 'under God' part, that was added on June 14, 1954, under President Dwight Eisenhower. Did Eisenhower explain his basis on Socratic law or moral correctness on that? No, he just wanted to fuck with the secular nature, in everything that your founders ever created and intended. They all rolled over in their graves that day.

Every time this idiot tried to present some facts, he was wrong.
Now he's gone again. Let's see if he comes back.






By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:58
In this country the constitution is EVERYTHING. You are not from this country so who the fuck are you to tell us our laws of the United States of America especially when you get everything wrong? Learn about your country first. For fuck sakes.

I'm not going to call you stupid anymore. From now on I will use the term "Very Stupid" If you want socialism then do it to your country. Don't believe in God and fuck off to hell.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 10:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know how you say you value The Constitution, but i see your side ignoring most in it constantly. You only pick the parts you like and interpret those parts in the way you like. You don't even know the meaning and intent of most parts.

You're not the only country that has a Constitution and you are not in the position to make inferences on how much I value MY Constitution.

At this very moment, it is an incredibly hot issue in Dutch politics, because in our last election a right-wing populist party has received the majority of votes (23.6%) and seats (37) in our House of Representatives. They are now responsible to form a cabinet with other parties, searching for agreements for a political program. That party has made very unconstitutional remarks and tried many times to enact very unconstitutional policies and has now promised to respect our constitution so other parties would want to negotiate with them. I oppose their political views for the most part, but I respect democracy enough to give them a chance to improve our country with policies they would find majority support for. Still, I will be watching them like a hawk.

You have no idea how much I know about politics in my own country, so your demand to me to learn about my country first is baseless.




By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 15:50
If you KNEW scientific method you would have defined it. You didn't. All you gave was bullshit.

Prove what false? You are confusing things. Here in USA it is innocent but if found guilty then it is true otherwise it is false. Everything is FALSE unless it is proven to be true.
Critical reasoning and constitutional law is based on socratic prinsiple. Difference between logical vs. doing the right thing. I believe this is the best way. Corruption in our country is destroying us and since USA is super power it will affect you too. You support this outcome. Why
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 17:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I literally had this picture on my profiles for 2 years, celebrating the scientific method and explaining it to people here, and you think you have to sum up the steps to me? Stop being ridiculous.



Also two years ago, I talked about recognizing fallacies, which is an important skill in critical reasoning.

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The Socratic method is a form of argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions. It's a technique, where critical reasoning is used to show people why the are mistaken, and asking questions to make them think further. This is not a basis for constitutional law.

Are you kidding that I support corruption? I have been telling people here about why the US is corrupt, for years. You are correct, your corruption is hurting my country too. Why would I want to raise awareness of it, if I favor corruption?
By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:51
I don't look at your pictures. You're not my type.
It is false until you prove true. How simpler do you need it to be?
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 11:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Positive proof only exists in math.
Everything else is plausible until proven false.
You show your ignorance of science over and over.
Or, you are just lazy, putting the burden of proof on everyone else.







By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 09:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"You don't believe in God therefore inspiration to you does not exist. What would be the point?"
That's bullshit, I'm inspired by actual truth, not the delusion of truth.

Well, at least some people can get inspiration from the bible:
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Very much applicable to topics on this site.

"Socialism has never worked, never. So after 100s of attempts you still create this stupidity."
Again, BULLSHIT, even your own country, which might be the most capitalist country in the world, still progressed from implementing SOCIALIST policies, like; social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment compensation, K-12 education, housing subsidies, food assistance, veteran healthcare, most infrastructure, the fire department, the police, the military. All publicly funded, so everyone has access to them, rich and poor alike. That has massively increased chances for people.

Now look at all the privately funded (capitalism) necessities of life, like your healthcare insurance which is is the most expensive in the world and still leaves Americans with the decision between death or debt.
Or the education after 12, which is the most expensive in the world. The US ranked #1 in education, in the 1960s and 1970s, because you publicly funded it (socialism).
Now you have privatized (capitalism) a lot of your education, you are falling in the rankings a lot. You're now ranked #20.
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Those 19 countries beating you on education all have more SOCIALIST education.
That's socialism working and capitalism failing!

"Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?"
Israel is 76 years old, what are you talking about?
Egypt has existed as an empire for 5000 years.
China has been united as one empire for over 2200 years.
What is the thing that you wanted to link to the perseverance of an empire throughout history?
By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:52
Israel is not 76 years old. Israel is over 6000 years old.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 11:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
At best you can say that the Israelites were a people from the earliest around 1200 BCE. The were a tribe of settlers sharing the area that now is Israel with several other tribes. There was a Kingdom of Israel (Samaria), whose beginnings can be dated back to the first half of the 10th century BCE, but it was much smaller than the current state of Israel, which was declared independent by themselves on 14 May 1948 and was admitted to the United Nations (UN) as a full member state on 11 May 1949.

It's bullshit to assign that area of land to one specific tribe of primitives wandering around 6000 years ago, over all the other tribes of wandering primitives in the same area.
You could not even distinguish them from the others by genetic ancestry and they hadn't even created their religion until 1800 BCE.

So what is your basis for claiming Israel is over 6000 years old?
Pure ignorance and religious dogma, not logical reasoning.

In any case, your remark "Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?" is still hanging in the air.
So, I'll catch it from the air.

The IDEA of Israel, persevering throughout history, can be attributed to one thing only; RELIGION. Two surviving religions claiming a specific area as important to their religions. Religions are a strong motivation for lots of ideas. That provides no basis for thinking there is any truth or logic to those ideas. People have been completely wrong and ignorant about everything for thousands of years.

Religions were the first attempt to create some kind of order in the chaos of beliefs. Those beliefs were still mostly wrong and often god-awful. Humanity only started to lose some of its primitive instincts and behavior when it developed philosophy and only started to exchange ignorance with knowledge when it developed science. In the meantime, religion has been mostly an obstacle in the development beyond its originally useful unifying effect. It's only creating division now. I hope humanity will lose the need for religion and replace it with secular humanism.
By #712828 at 10,Apr,24 01:13
Israel is 5784 years old. The nation was in Caanan before it was illegally exiled. It was recognized in 1948 officially by the UN but beforehand it was there and was confirmed by Koran Muslim nations. Israel is older than Egypt.
In Henbrew Israel's meaning is a path, the shortest road to God.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 14:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you know how many people have been 'illegally exiled' from the land they were born in, in the last 5784 years? If that provided any claim to a piece of land historically owned by genetic, cultural or religious ancestors, we could all claim every piece of land from everyone else.

If 'Israel' was IN Caanan, than it wasn't a state.
There were some people living in that general area who spoke the Paleo-Hebrew language, but they are not even in the top 5 of earliest written languages. The Egyptians were 2nd, after the Sumerians. Their religion is at best 3800 years old and the claims to a state of Israel ar purely based on religion. I can believe that god has promised me a particular place to live, but that doesn't make it true.

The people who moved to the new state of Israel, after 1948 had mostly one thing in common; their religion. They came from Russia, Yemen, Iraq, Europe and the US, many after having lived in those other parts of the world for hundreds of years, mixing with the local population. Their genetic ancestry from the original people who lived in the area that we now call Israel, is mostly more deviant, than the genetic ancestry of the Palestinians who lived there.

But, I have good news for you; the descendant of a Navajo native American would like you to move, because your house stands on his forefather's soil. I'm sure you would be happy to accept his claim.
By #712828 at 11,Apr,24 22:39
Officially in Quran Muslims recognized Israel, Look it up yourself. Stated that Allah himself opened the Red Sea. Know Stick with facts before wasting both our times.

I should be getting paid for this especially when you don't address topics and assertions from which I am presenting here. I have to repeat myself while you cling to your pride thinking you know more. Trust me, you don't.

Torah was written before Christ by 4000 years describing the true nature of existence in 5 dimensions. Do you know what they are? You can't since your atheistic limitations prohibit you from understanding.

Israel does not have borders. It represents reality as to what we define the term life. The meaning is within our desires to achieve utopia by which our goals are to create altruism in perfect moral form through the will to bestow. Compassion is growth into a better moral state, knowledge and understanding. God wants us to become him by combining ourselves with that goal.

Jew is an abbreviation derived from the area once called Judea in ancient times. Israel is called Israel with their flag from 1948 but it always existed not only for Jews but for all God's creations. You included whether you believe it or not. It does matter. We were born to form God's image through the path of Israel.

Since your reasoning is limited, I can understand why you think the way you do. You think in 3 dimensions but actually the universe is 5. It's hard for you because you just don't see it or don't want to see. Like the blind that can't see.

Countries are man made and political. They are false To divert the truth. Why do you think especially in Palestine why the education is so fucked up. Europe knew the world was round but censored free speech by telling you it was flat. You probably still think that.

Learn your facts not political bullshit that makes you want to believe in truth when it is far from that.
By Maxwell_93 at 11,Apr,24 22:56 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Just we just fund someone already? LMT is stalling out

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 08:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Quran is based on the prophecies of Muhammad, beginning in 610 CE when the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in the cave of Hira, near the city of Mecca. Muslims believe that Muhammad continued to receive revelations until his death in 632 CE.
That's at the earliest 1414 years ago, indeed far later than Jews created their religion, which includes their claim on their promised land; Israel. That doesn't support your claim that Israel is 5784 years old.

"Torah was written before Christ by 4000 years"
Every source I found disagrees with you.
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What is your source? Are you so falsely confident about what you think you know, that you don't even check the internet, before you advertise your ignorance for all to see?

"Israel does not have borders. It represents reality as to what we define the term life. The meaning is within our desires to achieve utopia..." I thought you were a Christian, but you sound like someone caring about expanding the Jewish religion much more. At least you are making one thing clear for me; no matter how much Israel steals land from the Palestinians and other neigboring states, you will see that as a 'desire to achieve utopia'. And then you are talking about altruism and compassion again, when Israel is killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold.

We are living in a universe with 4 dimensions; 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time, which are relative to each other, why it's known as space-time. Physicists have proposed a hypothesis called 'string theory' (which is not accepted as an actual scientific theory), which requires 10 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time to make it mathematically feasible. That's the only limited evidence there is for any idea that there are more than 4 dimensions. No serious scientist, that I'm aware of, has proposed a fifth dimension. You must be referring to some weird pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo or your own religious indoctrination inspired brain-farts.

"Countries are man made and political...." Saying something true and then you're going off your rocker again. At one time you are defending the law, the next time you are completely discarding it. Yes, countries are a invention of humanity, just like laws, with the purpose of maintaining order, resolving disputes, and protecting liberties and rights. Do you think it's alright if religions challenge international law? How about your own law? Did you read your Constitution?

Flat earth is a religious idea based on a literal interpretation of the BIBLE. It's absolute hypocrisy to accuse an atheist of being capable of believing that religiously inspired pseudo-science bullshit. If anyone has a predilection towards religiously inspired pseudo-science bullshit, it's you, with your 5 dimensions!



















By phart at 08,Apr,24 20:09 other posts of phart 
did anyone figure out the duck stuff?
I don't know why I am wondering,most folks don't give a quack
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 04:54 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, you are wrong. I was taught that Africans WERE enslaved by other Africans. Not a good thing, but, if there had not been a market (white slave traders) there would have been much less slaves.
Why do you deny how discriminated blacks have been in this country?
By phart at 29,Mar,24 12:15 other posts of phart 
I don't deny it, I deny they were victims strictly of the white man ,they seem to never acknowledge that themselves.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 21:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
In this country, and that's all that matters in this conversation, the exploiters WERE the white.
By phart at 29,Mar,24 23:26 other posts of phart 
NOT ALL CAT< and I dare you to show me where this is taught in school.
In 1830, there were 3,775 black (including mixed-race) slaveholders in the South who owned a total of 12,760 slaves, which was a small percentage of a total of over two million slaves then held in the South. 80% of the black slaveholders were located in Louisiana, South Carolina, Virginia and Maryland.

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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 30,Mar,24 13:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You are fixated on trying to prove that SOME blacks were despicable human beings. Why would it be different than what was happening in Africa. But, you just said it yourself. That was less than 1%, but that's not what I'm talking about. I was taught in school, at junior high, that the KKK was lynching black men, in the South, for whistling at white women. That was happening in the first half of the 20th century. I was taught about the blue laws where blacks had to sit at the rear of the bus. I was taught how blacks had to drink from a water fountain dedicated just for them. I was taught how blacks couldn't sit in a southern lunch counter with whites. I was taught that blacks couldn't stay in a white hotel.
You can make all kinds of arguments about who got taught what where, but, Blacks are STILL being discriminated against and you are proof of it.
By phart at 31,Mar,24 01:41 other posts of phart 
I don't discriminate against blacks, i discriminate against whites and blacks that meet the definition of the n word.
i have put white in front of the n word many a time in my life.
MANY white people are far more disgusting than most blacks.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 31,Mar,24 15:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
What is the "N" word?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'Naggers'
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Another brilliant South Park episode indeed.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 12:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's personal, I would do the same. I'm talking about all your side's attempts
to cancel every company that ever said or did something woke.

I must admit that the Bud Light ban did some damage to Anheuser-Busch InBev, for a while, but they are already doing better than before the controversy.
Of course, sending a transgender a few beers and them liking it online isn't as bad as bankrupting the cult-leader. However, there is no recent news, that I can find, that the truckers are actually doing anything.

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Last updated: March 6. Not even a ripple, as of yet. I'm waiting in suspense.


By phart at 22,Mar,24 18:12 other posts of phart 
you can add Tyson foods to my personal boycott list, they are hiring "asylum seekers" instead of US citizens
I know you won't see a issue with that.
But the fact of the matter is it is a loophole for the democrats to have "slaves" legally.
that is the real reason most democrats support illegal immigrants, they are to lazy to work and want servitude and dependency on them by the illegals
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you are boycotting every company that uses 'illegals', you will starve.
Instead of spending $25 billion to try to close 2067 miles of border, it would be much much cheaper to hire an army of labor inspectors, to crack down on the companies who use illegals as cheap labor.
That will also result in safer workplaces. It's much better for everyone.
By phart at 22,Mar,24 22:14 other posts of phart 
closing the gate, would be quick and easy.And cheaper.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Mar,24 17:09 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok, Phart, tell us how you would close the gate. BTW, did you listened to Mexico’s president telling the Clown that there are tunnels running from Mexico to the US under the Border Patrol areas?
By phart at 27,Mar,24 23:46 other posts of phart 
sounds like we need to evacuate the patrol areas and use some bunker busters.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 03:46 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Well? Why didn't the Clown do that?
By phart at 29,Mar,24 12:07 other posts of phart 
I guess he didn't want to start a war.Because you know mexico would be upset we were taking out their shadow government,the cartels.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 09:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're not taking out the cartels, you are funding them, with the most addicts in the world and your refusal to legalize tax and regulate drug and to treat drug addiction as a health crisis.
By tecsan at 13,Apr,24 07:15 other posts of tecsan 
I am not funding the cartels dumb ass wake up, joey is the one doing that. Find me a Republican that agrees with the idiot. h
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Apr,24 15:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
HOW? How does joey fund cartels? Come up with some argument,
instead of just flipping everything.
By tecsan at 15,Apr,24 08:17 other posts of tecsan 
The motherfucker lets people cross the border and the cartels charge for letting one cross. The open border allows cartels to get drugs into our Ccountry. An open border allows cartels to get young kids in the Country for sex-trafficing. Think I should stop, this is fucking ludicrous.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 08:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Biden is stopping more drugs coming in to your country than Trump.
There is a bill in the house, that would give you almost everything
you want, but Trump blocked it, because that would be a win for Biden.
That's Trump letting in those immigrants, not Biden.
Securing the border costs money. Republicans are blocking that money.

Your nonsense should stop, this is fucking ludicrous.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:32 other posts of phart 
read the bill, there is some pork added ,that's why the republicans didn't go with it, get your facts right.,
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ever seen a bill without pork? That's what they do.
Take what you can get, or get nothing.
By phart at 16,Apr,24 19:28 other posts of phart 
The dems got what they wanted, the bill failed because the repubicans were not going to support the "pork". THe dems are saying,"it's their fault" when it is really not.
The dems could present a stand alone bill addressing a particular problem and get bi partisans support but THEY DON"T WANT IT< they want division, and hate and fighting and confusion for the voters.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Like what? If Democrats want to let in all the illegals and all the drugs, like you lot are saying, how is this bill giving them what they want?

The division is 100% coming from your side. Your side doesn't want to work together on anything. If the speaker of the house even works together to keep the lights on in the government, then the brainless crew throws him out. It toke 15 voting rounds to elect Kevin McCarthy, then they threw him out for not agreeing with stupid shit that even many Republicans would vote against and would instantly die in the senate. Now Mike Johnson is on the chopping block. I hope MTG kicks him out. The spectacle after that will do fantastic damage to your party.

You can twist it as much as you want, but the bill is a massive restriction on all sorts of immigrants coming in to your country.
Biden challenged Republicans, by giving away those massive restrictions and they are not taking it because it would give him 'a win' according to Trump himself. You are just buying in to all the lies.
Well, it's a trap; Democrats will spend billions of dollars in ads telling American voters what Republicans have blocked, dropping the responsibility for any border problems on Trump. It won't work on you, nothing will, but it will work on independents.

Here's the bill:
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What is it that gives Democrats that open border?

Is it in the summary?

- requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume activities to construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border;
- provides statutory authorization for Operation Stonegarden, which provides grants to law enforcement agencies for certain border security operations;
- prohibits DHS from processing the entry of non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) arriving between ports of entry;
- limits asylum eligibility to non-U.S. nationals who arrive in the United States at a port of entry;
- authorizes the removal of a non-U.S. national to a country other than that individual's country of nationality or last lawful habitual residence, whereas currently this type of removal may only be to a country that has an agreement with the United States for such removal;
- expands the types of crimes that may make an individual ineligible for asylum, such as a conviction for driving while intoxicated causing another person's serious bodily injury or death;
- authorizes DHS to suspend the introduction of certain non-U.S. nationals at an international border if DHS determines that the suspension is necessary to achieve operational control of that border;
- prohibits states from imposing licensing requirements on immigration detention facilities used to detain minors;
- authorizes immigration officers to permit an unaccompanied alien child to withdraw their application for admission into the United States even if the child is unable to make an independent decision to withdraw the application;
- imposes additional penalties for overstaying a visa; and
- requires DHS to create an electronic employment eligibility confirmation system modeled after the E-Verify system and requires all employers to use the system.


By tecsan at 17,Apr,24 06:28 other posts of tecsan 
Some of the pork may me spoiled which makes it impossible to ingest.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You have no clue, you're just saying shit.
They told you it's bad, so you parrot that.
There is no way that even informed yourself
on one detail about what's actually in that bill.
I listened to my 'liberal media' telling me DETAILS.
And just reading the summary shows me they didn't lie.
Your media doesn't do details, they just tell you what to think.




By tecsan at 16,Apr,24 07:57 other posts of tecsan 
You only twist the facts. Sure joey can close the border at certain times, but would he???Think you know the answer to that! I dont know the where of your facts, but joey lets drugs pour across the border. You may find some left wing facts that claim validity. Hell, just look at cnn or msdnc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If I'm twisting facts, SHOW THAT WITH FACTS!






By phart at 13,Apr,24 23:05 other posts of phart 
-I am not funding cartels,I want the fuckers DEAD. Bomb them away.
I want people sober,happy,productive,fuctional.
NOT high,sick,depressed,dead,strung out from drugs legal or illegal.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Apr,24 15:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
WHY are people high, sick, depressed and addicted in the US?

You think it's because there is drugs everywhere and that you can solve it by bombing cartels. Even if you succeed in closing down the border, drugs will just be produced in the US, like the bulk of fentanyl and amfetamines. As long as people want drugs, there will always be a supply. Drugs is and has been easier to buy than a loaf of bread.

In my country, it's even easier, because it will never send you to jail.
Still, the drugs problem is worst in the US, compared with all EU countries.
Until, you understand why that is, bombing cartels and killing dealers,
won't ever work. Your society is sick and it's the ideas you support
that caused that sickness. Drug addiction is just a symptom.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:46 other posts of phart 
Drug addiction is preventable. Keep the illegal drugs away!
and severally punish those that use and sell them.
Horse thieves were hung back in the old days those people didn't steal anymore horses.
hang or bomb a drug dealer, he won't sell any more drugs.
You think people "resort" to drugs because there is no other "alternative". That is wrong. People take drugs and get hooked on them because it is the "hip" thing to do, drugs. They get hooked and people like you want to keep them that way because they will vote to support your ideas and the people that allow them to remain high and disabled from working.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 08:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I asked you WHY are people high, sick, depressed and addicted in the US?

It's not because the US is the only country that's not succeeding in keeping the illegal drugs away!

Is drugs a "hip" thing to do in your country and not in all those EU countries?

What is different in your country, from EU countries, for real?
Cut the crap and think for a moment.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:44 other posts of phart 
What is different is some people can't watch and learn and think they are to smart to get hooked.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
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By tecsan at 23,Mar,24 04:33 other posts of tecsan 
Very few are asylum seekers (probably less than 1%). They are illegal and broke the law. I wonder how many are from prisons or terrorists. Most do not want anything to do with work, they just are coming here because biden told them to. I prefer to eat something a terrorist had no contact with. I agree phart, no more tyson crap for me.
By phart at 23,Mar,24 17:42 other posts of phart 
folks don't seem to care that the prisons and insane
asylums in these countries have been dumped out and are spilling over into the US. If these folks can't behave and be assets to their own countries, what makes libs think they will be a asset to ours?
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You are taking an ASSUMPTION and interpolating that into another assumption. One may be partially true. The second one is pure 💩


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Mar,24 17:10 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Tecsan, most are regular people looking for “the milk and honey” just like your ancestors did too.
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 03:55 other posts of tecsan 
CAT I believe my ancestors were looking for FREEDOM. The illegals are looking for exploitation of anything they can get for free. Some are even looking to cause deatth and destruction because they know they can in libtard cities.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 04:05 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
"the milk and honey" includes freedom. You are too blind to the fact that most people are decent, hard working Joes and Janes. And it doesn't matter from where they come from.
Tecsan, where were your ancestors from?
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 06:43 other posts of tecsan 
Just one murderer or terrorist is too damn many. Vet them first. Do not just let them flood in the Country. Even you are probably taking advantage of the liberal system. Yet you use to like capitalism a while back. Yes some are decent, but find out who the bad ones are first. I know one can never be 100% sure but we should try to find out instead of letting them all through. You like them, I bet we could send some your way. Oh, I forgot you live in a conservative state as far as I can figure.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 12:06 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Tecsan, I live in Miami-Dade County, Florida. The URL is from DCF. The report is from the last 8 yrs or so.

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Refugee Services Statistics

Statistics for Florida 2022

Counts of Immigration Status PDF
Counts of Status + Origin by County PDF
Counts of Origin by Age Groups PDF
These numbers include newly arrived refugees as well as refugees, entrants, and asylees who first became eligible for our services in that Federal Fiscal Year (FFY), which runs from October 1 to September 30.

Populations

158,794 refugees arrived or became eligible for Refugee Services in the last Federal Fiscal year.

Cuba, Haiti, Ukraine, and Afghanistan were the top nationalities of new refugees in the last Federal Fiscal year.

224,388 refugees arrived or became eligible for Refugee Services for the last 5 years (2017-2021).

Counts per Fiscal Year by County PDF
We received refugees from 81 different countries last year.

88 percent of refugees were Cubans.

55 percent of refugees settled in Miami-Dade.

199,481 refugees received services being funded by Refugee Services in the last Federal Fiscal year. [unduplicated number of refugees who got one or more services]

About 500,000 Cubans, many of them businessmen and professionals, arrived in Miami during a 15-year period after the 1959 Cuban Revolution. Some figures in Fulgencio Batista's administration were among those who arrived in Miami. The Miami Cubans received assimilation aid from the federal government. The Cubans established businesses in Miami. The Cubans arriving after 1980 did so primarily because of economic reasons.[2] In 1960, the hispanic population in Miami was 50,000; in 1980, the hispanic population grew to 580,000. Cubans were the main source of this hispanic growth in the city, as many Cubans came to Miami at the time due to Cuba's poor economy and a high poverty rate, as well as the dictatorship of Fidel Castro at the time.[3] Essentially, the coexistence of growth and internationalization within Miami-Dade County has perpetuated an ethnically-driven social polarization.[4] The growing number of Cubans in the county have remained loyal to their cultural norms, mores, customs, language, and religious affiliations. The transnational force of immigration defines Miami as a growing metropolis, and the 20th century Cuban influx has greatly affected Miami's growth.[1]
As of 2012, there were 1.2 million people of Cuban heritage in Greater Miami, most of whom lived in Miami-Dade County. As of that year, about 400,000 had arrived after 1980.[2] In a 2022 estimate, Greater Miami, showed a slight decrease to about 1,112,592.[5] As of the 2020 census, there were 129,896 Cuban Americans living inside Miami city limits, representing about 29.3% of Miami and nearly half of the city's Hispanic/Latino population.[6] Many Miami suburbs like Hialeah, and many others especially in southern Miami-Dade county, are majority Cuban.

So, you see, South Florida, from the Palm Beaches to the Florida Keys, has grown to an international power house thanks to illegals that are hard working family people with a strong Christian ethic. The rest of Florida, except for two or three cities, remains a backwater hick, good old boy, conservative enclave that needs yearly help from my area of the state.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:51 other posts of phart 
How many illegal chinese immigrants over our border
37,000
While a record 2.5 million migrants were detained at the United States' southwestern land border in 2023, only about 37,000 were from China. I'm a scholar of migration and China. What I find most remarkable in these figures is the speed with which the number of Chinese migrants is growing.Mar 11, 2024

that was googled.

Now, china has flown balloons over our military bases, hacked into computer systems, and so many other things, now they are sending people over here to infiltrate and take jobs in key places, possibly to take jobs in places that would allow them to hack and disable American infrastructure for a war effort from china. do you not see this potential?
With everything being made in china,there should be plenty of jobs.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Apr,24 19:14 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You see a bogaboo under every bed. Have you thought that Chaina is a dictatorship with very limited set of freedoms?
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:44 other posts of phart 
Like it hasn't got better in the past few years than it has ever been?
They are building military bases in africa,cuba,and elsewhere.
citys going up like trees. They have industrialized entire countrys in africa bringing them out of poverty and making use of the natural resources that were otherwise going to waste.
China is MUCH better off than it was way back when.you really ought to do some googling.


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It still doesn't ease the pain and suffering of living under a dictatorship.






By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:48 other posts of phart 
If those people crossing illegally were decent' hard working joes and janes, they would respect our immigration system and come thru properly instead of storming our border like it was Normandy.
Decent people don't disrespect law and order.
Decent people don't steal and tear up private property and squat in homes that are not theirs.
Illegals are illegally here and need to be sent back.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Apr,24 19:21 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, why don't you Google how many entry visas per year are available to Central and South Americans. Don't forget to Google how long it takes to get one. Then, come back with that dumbass comment.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:47 other posts of phart 
Who gives a damn how long it takes to get 1? Do it right and be legal or BE GONE!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 00:17 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
No more than seven percent of total visas may be issued to any one country in a fiscal year, but that doesn’t mean that one country is entitled to that seven percent. Instead, it means that no country can receive more than seven percent of all the visas issued. For that reason, countries like Mexico, India, China and the Philippines can have a much longer wait time than other places. Like all other countries, they are limited to seven percent of the total visas being issued, but they have so many more applicants who are applying for the spots.

Like I've said, "You have no compassion"
By phart at 15,Apr,24 03:39 other posts of phart 
We don't need them here.
They need to make their own country better.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 12:06 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
We didn't need your ancestors either, but, we welcomed them. Did you forget what it says on the Statue of Liberty? Give us your poor, etc.?
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:48 other posts of phart 
I am all but ready to send Her back to France . She is being exploited.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 17:18 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Wrong answer. There's no time frame and there never was. You just don't want other people to have what this country gave to your ancestors........and you.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:34 other posts of phart 
Well,you are leaving out alot
My ancestors can be traced back to coming in by New York and going thru the process of becoming LEGAL citizens the right way.Not swimming a river and running thru a fence and hiding from the law.
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Becoming legal? You don't even know the history of Ellis Island. Hahaha













By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Probably less than 1% are asylum seekers?
Of course not, almost all of them want to get (are seeking) asylum.

What you are trying to say is that only 1% would qualify for asylum.
That might be true, but that's dependent on the laws, isn't it?
If the law would say everyone who asks for asylum gets it,
then it would be 100%, wouldn't it?





By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 01:46
You are so fucking unbelievable, not even from this country. Your ignorance continues to swallow up your soul like a putrid parasite. You still don't get it. Even with a 50 IQ person with at least a heart would have understood our conversations.
I can't say how I feel about you because you are unimportant and I must work on this as learning. Some is your fault but what makes you so ignorant is you refuse to accept it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Still only found one argument to contradict me; "not even from this country",
which all right-wingers have used before.

You are from the US, so you should have no problem coming up with better arguments than Ad Hominem fallacies.

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By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:16 other posts of tecsan 
Now what do you think of that idiot moron enogoron Ananas2xLekker ?
By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 04:24
He is a person with deep feelings of Trump Derrangement. There is no cure I'm afraid.

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
As opposed to what I thought of him before?
A bit strange, but since that idiot moron managed to outsmart Trump and Alina Habba, what does that make them?



By SAGGY_GRANNY at 25,Mar,24 17:18 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 


🤣😈
By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:22 other posts of tecsan 
I guess that is better than supporting terrorists like hamas or apologizing for calling a murderer an illegal.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Mar,24 16:34 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You, Tecsan have a twisted way of showing your love for democracy and your country.
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 06:54 other posts of tecsan 
So do you. I do not leach off of taxpayers.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 21:39 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Does that mean every retired person receiving Social Security and Medicare is a leach? Tecsan, you should run for President as a Repucker.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 10:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Repuckers don't actually believe what they are saying, like tecsan does,
they just spout their propaganda 24/7, to make people like tecsan think
they deserve nothing and the wealthy donors to the Repucker party
are entitled to everything.

He thinks there should be no unions, because if your employer exploits you,
you can just find another job. Where? For another employer that exploits you.

Surely, they want the state to help employers to make you work until you die.

It's all propaganda for the wealthy, who don't want to pay for anything
you have a right to, like a retirement or healthcare or an education
for your children or paid vacation or a wage you can actually live on.

They want you to work as much as you can, as hard as you can, for as long
as you can, as cheaply as possible, while they live in a golden lazyland.

He's just being a good cuck for the wealthy and the Repuckers who serve them.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 03,Apr,24 12:56 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
So true. Tecsan has been like this since I first met him. He practically salivated when the Clown cut taxes. He thought it was for him and like people. Talk about drinking the CoolAid. 😵

By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:39 other posts of phart 
Unions only collect dues from those higher wages and then use them to lobby congress.
So if you support unions, you are supporting elected officials getting bought and paid for. regardless if you agree with what they do or not.
Union dues would go along way towards paying house payments and paying off student loan debt.
Unions also require their members to strike,which affects their income while it last rather they agree or not.
Unions also affect peoples choices of where to work. It is difficult to get a job in a industry that is unionized without joining the cult ,i mean union.

Back 100 years ago, a union may have served a purpose. but there is osha now for safety and minimum wages laws in place. no longer needed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
True, unions are the 9th biggest sector lobbying your politicians.
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They are lobbying in favor of union members and workers in general.
The biggest lobbying sector is the Finance/Insurance/Real Estate Sector.
Do you think that's in favor of workers in general or their clients or home owners?

You are a fool for thinking safety and minimum wage is no longer an issue worth lobbying the government for. The employers are still lobbying the government to relax safety laws and lower minimum wage. They would love to kill and starve their employees, and you would love to let them, BECAUSE MAGA!




By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 10:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump does! He has ben scamming the tax-payer for decades.

You pay in to Social Security and Medicare as tax-payer and get the benefits from it when you reach the required age.
That's not leeching, that's a social contract.
You pay your taxes and then THEY OWE YOU!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 06,Apr,24 19:17 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
They owe you but, they also OWN you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you actually have democracy, you own THEM.
If you have socialism, you ARE them.
I support the latter and joined them.


By phart at 07,Apr,24 02:55 other posts of phart 
Yea, they owe us, but they tossed all those funds into the general fund and eliminated the fund setup for the social security. If the gov goes tits up, their goes our money.
They might owe you and indoctrinate you to think if you get hurt they will pay you to.. They make it next to impossible to get the disability. My attorney represented 2 quadriplegics that finally got theirs on the second appeal.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 10:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If the gov goes tits up, their goes our money."
Which entities go tits up more often, the government or private banks?

I know many people on disability. Sure, it has become harder to claim your right
to disability, but you would have had no trouble at all to get it in my country.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Apr,24 12:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The use of SS funds to pay for general funds expenses was brought to us courtesy of the Repuckers.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 14:34 other posts of phart 
My attorney explained to me that obama's admin made changes that made my particular case difficult.
My attorney said that obama's changes made his job much more difficult.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Apr,24 14:49 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The changes that happened during the Obama’s administration was not about the money when it came to the “disabled” category. It was to change the parameters of what qualifies as a disability. WOODY is classified as “disabled” due to more than 5 different reasons caused, mostly, by the work he did, smoking, cardiovascular problems, severe rheumatism and a childhood desease that cause infirmity in the lower extremities (legs). He had to sue SS and won. The problem was that before you could get disability for reasons like having a hangnail. The costs were astronomical and by that time it was well known SS had a limited life span if something wasn’t done to fund it for ever. The problem was that Repuckers mainly, but, Dumbocrats too, did not want to stop funding PORK.











By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 09:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Oh come on, is Trump_Supporter_# kicked again?
He's now showing as #712828.
He didn't even say goodbye.


By #712828 at 13,Apr,24 23:07
"12 score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

"But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”


By tecsan at 13,Apr,24 07:18 other posts of tecsan 
Why does anyone support and vote for idiot biden?


By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 10:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Congratulations, the Tennessee Senate passed a bill allowing teachers to carry guns.

When some lunatic is walking around in a school with an assault rifle, killing children,
now a teacher is allowed to protect the children with their handgun, while dozens of police officers with bullet proof vests and assault rifles, stand outside to keep the concerned parents at bay. What a great day for America!

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By dgraff at 12,Apr,24 11:18 other posts of dgraff 
I think everyone should carry a handgun i wear them proudly like jewelry sometimes i carry a different one each day of the week and sometimes i carry 2 one in my shoulder holster and one in my boot 🥾 that’s what is great about America 🇺🇸 we have freedom of choice
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 12:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They should? It's a right, I agree you have that right, but it's not an obligation.

Consider the results, when all teachers carry guns.
1) Some lunatic is coming to a school in full riot-gear and assault-rifles modified to
full-auto, because he expects some resistance from teachers with handguns.
Not even the first 15 cops can stop him and he kills 150 children, teachers and cops,
before he finally gets taken out by riot police, teaming up and spraying 300 bullets through the window of the last classroom with kids, killing 23 children with him.
2) Some student accidentally blows up a flask, creating a loud bang in a physics-class. Teachers think it is a school-shooter, take out their gun and go investigate the noise. They meet another teacher with a gun in the hallway. It's stressed out Mr. Wong,
who gets so much crap from the students that they fear he might kill one some day.
They asked him to let his gun at home, but he's too scared and it's still his right.
So, Mr. Burr shoots him on sight. That is seen by 'crazy' (anger issues) Mrs. Willis,
who now thinks that Mr. Burr is the school shooter. She empties her whole clip in him.
She got him with the second bullet, but all the others go right through the thin,
cheap wall, used a lot in school buildings, killing 3 children in the classroom behind.
I can go on, but I think I made my point.

Teachers have a hard job, the classes are too large, with students who grow up
on the streets because both their parents need to work way too many hours to get by, but you want to put a gun in their hands to protect their students, while most of them don't want it. That leaves the ones who do want to bring a gun to school, for some reason. Unless all teachers agree to disregard this incredibly stupid idea, I expect it won't take long before it claims it's first victims.

This is the only freedom of choice you have or support. Don't kid yourself.




By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 11:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Supreme Court picks up the pace, tells Jack Smith to respond in 7 days
to Trump's request for stay
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By #712828 at 11,Apr,24 05:54
At first, President Joe Biden was in jeopardy of not being on the Ohio 2024 presidential election ballot – now he might not be on the Alabama ballot as well. According to Alabama Secretary of State Wes Allen, Biden’s campaign team will miss the deadline for certifying the President as the Democratic nominee for 2024. The Sekulow team discusses the possibility of Biden being off the Alabama ballot.
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He’ll make it happen.



By #712828 at 10,Apr,24 03:15
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The hand. the mind and the heart when in unity creates perfect harmony. Such as the United States of America and its constitution. United States of America, what a beautiful idea. When in unity it too creates beautiful harmony. One Nation Under God, Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Perfect. I'm humbled.


A message from God through the sound heart of Arnold Schwarzenegger, an Austrian as a boy whose father was a nazi.

With love. Thank you Arnold. We love you.


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 07:30
Trump is winning so they hired some juvenile delinquents.to shoot up a strip mall in Indianapolis then blame it on gun violence to take away normal people's guns.
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 08:14 other posts of dgraff 
Of course they did there are more conspiracies go on in our government than i care to think of all of them against the people that pay them just ask Jessie Ventura if they didn’t off him yet
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By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If these are the arguments of your side, to convince people to vote for Trump, Biden will coast to victory, because only a minority of fringe idiots like you believe that shit.
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 10:26 other posts of dgraff 
Well Dutch boy if we wanted your opinion we would have squeezed your head until it oozed out your ears
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 12:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not my opinion you should worry about, I don't get to vote in your country.
You have to consider whether those arguments convince anyone else,
besides the people who already will vote for Trump.

Unless you don't care about Trump winning, because you expect him to try to steal the election again. Then you should only care about keeping the cult alive and strong,
so you lot can again pretend that he won and try to succeed in the next insurrection.


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 14:35
You have'nt looked at the polls.--------------------------------------- added after 4 minutesDonald trump is projected to get 315 electral votes because joe biden's approval rating is 35% BY CNN. NO INCUMBANT PRESIDENT HAS EVER BEEN RE-ELECTED WITH UNDER 50% APPROVAL..YOU FUCKING IDIOT. WORY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY. YOU'RE ABOUT TO BRING BACK DUNGEONS.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 12:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No incumbent president has ever ran against Trump,
a candidate who tried to steal an election and is found liable
of sexual assault and fraud and is still facing 91 other felony counts.

I'm not saying that I trust the American people to make the right choice,
but if your stupid arguments are all you have to convince other voters,
then I feel confident that you'll lose, because only a tiny minority is THAT stupid.

I am worrying about my own country and the world; Trump getting another chance to destroy your democracy, ending NATO, allowing Putin to easily conquer Ukraine,
allowing Netanyahu to murder every last Palestinian and ignoring climate change,
is an evil that will affect everyone on this already suffering world.





By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 17:46 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I want to do away with the electoral college. It's archaic. Let the popular vote decide elections.


By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 08:08 other posts of tecsan 
Many with common sense can see what is going on in NY. engoron did about the same thing he convicted Trump of doing. What he did in this case. Overvalued the bond amount. What an idiot. The moron engoron even under valued Mar-a-Lago.
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Mar,24 15:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump has been found liable for fraud.
If he wants to appeal his case, he has to put up the exact amount he owes,
including interest, to delay him having to pay up, or his assets getting seized,
if he can't pay.

A bond like that, has been the status quo in every big case against companies. In cases like that, bonds can go up to billions of dollars. The difference is that other companies don't cry about it, but just put up the bond that the usually have already reserved.
To those companies, it would be perceived as a big PR mistake to complain about the height of the bond. They just act like a few billion dollars is just a tiny fraction of their working cash flow. Apparently, Trump is not as wealthy as he's always bragging he is.

Trump was already trying to move his assets out of the state, so the law wouldn't be able to take them anymore. Engoron did exactly what he was supposed to do.
By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 20:37
No trial nothing. It's like the salem witch trials where you are guilty no matter what then burned at the stake.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Mar,24 08:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's happening, whether you believe he did it or not.
They have evidence up the wazoo. His appeal will not save him.
He doesn't have any defense, he's just delaying and obstructing.

If he had a good lawyer, instead of numbskull Alina Habba, and hadn't threatened the judge, prosecutor, the staff and the jury, and hadn't violated the gag order against publicly commenting about court staff twice, he might had been let off a little easier.

Still, he wasn't punished to the maximum that the law allows; the corporate death penalty was on the table, but he's only "barred for three years from serving in top roles at any New York company, including portions of his own Trump Organization."

If you lie about the value of your assets or income, to evade your taxes or get benefits you are not entitled to, you would be going to jail.
By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 09:14
No crime charged, no victim, no illegal transations. He won't have to pay a dime. He did not lie about assets since the bank made no complaints. How many fucking time do I have to tell you. The bank sends examiners to ive a value for the property. Turns out to be legal. What other part o your pea brain needs where I told you 50 times. times already. Fanni willis is gone, leticia james cant sleeo trump just made 3 billion dollars. Good Luck with that pal. old buddy
By dgraff at 27,Mar,24 10:34 other posts of dgraff 
Nothing more than another witch hunt from the democrats
They better hope like hell they win the 2024 election
Or there will be hell to pay upon the Democratic Party
By phart at 27,Mar,24 14:15 other posts of phart 
even our enemy's ,Putin and others, see this fiasco for what it really is.
Talk about delay and obstruction, that is what the democrats are trying to do, obstruct the American people from being able to vote for the President they want.
And the democrats are stupid enough to run biden again! IF they had a younger, more Articulent man or woman running ,they would stand a chance , I think this election the democrats are going to be the "drowning man" and when they go down,i hope they take the rest of the liberals with them

By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 19:26
Donald's one of 2 mistakes was not to do what he promised. Appointing a judicial special prosecutor on Hillary Clinton. Comey and the media propagating information they know to be false which was orchestrated by Barrack Obama before the 2016 election. Media puppets. The other mistake was him appointing traitor members in his cabinet most notoriously Mike Pense who betrayed his oath,,
Now its personal for him. He's leading in the polls more and more because the country knows he is innocent and is being slandered by his political opponents and the media. This time he won't make the same mistake twice. But he has a formidable opponent since the corruption is widespread from the FBI, CIA and all the judicial levels and judges. this will take a while, or it may not happen at all. The only thing for the moment on our side is God and faith,


By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
By phart at 29,Mar,24 18:48 other posts of phart 
You are going to have a bad headache you keep that up.
best pull that head out of the sand and see reality, not text book theorys and dreams.
By #712828 at 29,Mar,24 21:03
Ananas2xLekker aka anaconda montana is not very bright. I don't consider his comments as valid. I'm starting to believe this case of invalidity is spreading and more people are starting to see this









By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 07:39
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To me its all about learning and understanding.

I gave the definition of country. But the member who asked me said I never answered his question. Before he repeated and discredited me because I refused to answer. He is a liar.

In the video people that have knowledge and understanding I'm not talking about you. I've seen children of God here. I've also seen people that prefer isolation. Egoism vs altruism. What are your REAL desires? You will know if you are true with yourself. The only way to understand your desires is to be able to feel what they are and understand purpose. The real reason why God Created the heavens of the Earth. This is your choice.

This shows the clear meaning of country. I hope this helps. Peace and love


By #712250 at 23,Mar,24 21:29
A question for my collegues. Nancy Pelosi's approval rating is 19%. AOC's is 15%, illian omar is 9%. How do they keep getting elected?

Joe Biden's approval rating, The lowest in american history is at 36% which is nothing but a fucking joke anyway. With that said why is Trump leading in the polls 49% to Biden 47%?

Look, I know he cheated in the election and the fucking smelly cunt bitch Fanni Willis making charges because Trump contested the election and all legal by the way. But the fucking crook fuctard democrats contested the election of 2016.

Can someone make any sense of this?
By phart at 24,Mar,24 02:12 other posts of phart 
If you look at their districts, very poor conditions to.
By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 02:18
Unlivable conditions. Totally unlivable. No opportunity for growth, education, nothing. Every democrat infested city is nothing but a infectious disease for every american..

Its existed like this since the beginning. America was never a democracy and opportunities are getting worse to achieve democracy.

And these zero brain cell democrat (devil worshippers) wont listen to reason. Blame trump. I've never seen the epidemy of the human race until I came to this site.

I am a loving person. I wish no harm to anyone and my faith insists on it. The disgusting vomiting reflex I get from democrats its amazing how God can forgive them for a totally wasted life and attitude.
By sherryann at 24,Mar,24 02:28 other posts of sherryann 
Your last sentence is so true, I'm in one of those dem cities, a real shithole!!! Disease place, crime out of control with disgusting low IQ rotten degenerate lowlife rats thinking they're actually human! These people disgust me!
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Trump supporter, I meant your last sentence of your first paragraph.
By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 02:40
Nothing, Just zombies undead . No hope, nothing. You show them reason, compassion love and all they do in their narcissistic way is to pretend until they suck the life out of you. They will lie right to your face with a straight look. Yet we have seen our country grow through independence, emphasizing on education and love for each other to a banana republic of hatred, poverty and death.

Thank you for your comments. Very much appreciated.
By sherryann at 24,Mar,24 02:43 other posts of sherryann 
Exactly
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Thank you Trump supporter. You bring true wisdom to this site and it doesn't go unnoticed. Thank you. For those of us who understand you and your points we appreciate your input here.
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By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 05:38
That's what they did in Nazi Germany. Work them to death and right before they gas them. Sometimes they were marched naked in frigid weather, forced to dig their own graves then put a bullet into the head. They don't care. When the gas chambers were liberated, they saw female skeletons holding onto they infant children, all dead.
What is so different now? its widespread over a much larger area, It's all about power and money. They propagate blaming races and different groups, religions and political parties. They are so evil that even if you voted for them believing their lies when they are through with you they will destroy you.

This movement hasn't just existed for a century. It has existed for 1000s of years. From moral correctness they created political parties to create hatred, death and terror. One party was the Islamic race which when you trace to dna they are jews. You take 1 hamas dna sample and a jew sample they are the same. What is the only way to fight them. Faith in oneself and understanding the truth. Resist temptation, be thankful for what you have and show love and compassion all that you can even if it is your enemies. Especially your enemies. That's how you rise up--- in Christianity it is called Sacrifice. In Judaism it is called will to bestow. The desire to find pure love. How do you think the Jews have survived all these 1000s of years?

Now the Vatican wants to take its revenge against Israel from how the Roman empire folded and the Vatican rose. How did the Romans fall? They did it to themselves by corruption. Each person for themselves.Brutal violence, hatred and corruption. So what is the difference between then and now? Not a damn thing only its globally. This is our enemy now and today.
By sherryann at 26,Mar,24 19:34 other posts of sherryann 
we're in bad times. I'm hoping you're my same Trump supporter. Have a good day.
By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 20:35

By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 22:26
There are wonderful people in the world. Human character is not the same with everyone. You either are inspired with love and purpose and teaching what stems from your heart or you take what is not yours are alone but you do not care who you hurt, where you cause pain or who you kill.
The difference between you and most here is you understand. Not by what you know but by how you feel. You can't gain this knowledge from just reading a book. The knowledge must come from you. And it has. It is soothing for me..
By sherryann at 27,Mar,24 02:00 other posts of sherryann 
Trump supporter, thank you your eloquent reply means so much
By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 02:42
Of course










By #712250 at 25,Mar,24 04:36
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Democrat city of Kensington avenue Philadelphia, what they did to these poor people.
By phart at 25,Mar,24 15:05 other posts of phart 
that is the democrats dreams for the new America. Doped up and easy to control, no housing required ,just leaving them to the elements, if they die just cremate them and throw em in the landfill.
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By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:14 other posts of tecsan 
No they would not waste the ashes on a landfill. They would spread the ashes around towns for fertilizer at city and government properties.




By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 07:24
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Beware the Democrat, for he is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

So far in my lifetime since 1960 when I was born I've seen death even with my own father when I was 7 years old. I saw all the murders in Nazi films, mistreatment of blacks in the 1960s of racial hatred funded by the democrats. Hatred of Jews propagated by American industrialists starting with Gerald Ford in the 20th century and the development of the Ku Klux Klan after the slaves were freed to invoke terror and death.

The democrats brought Hitler to power. The ONLY reason the Americans entered WW2 was because Hitler's terrible blunder in Stalingrad invading Russia. America as scavengers marched with the Red Army. If Hitler didn't march into Russia he would have taken over the world. American industrialists wanted the war to continue until the invasion of Russia then it was all bets off. Japan's attack in Pearl Harbor was pre-orchestrated.

You people that hate Donald Trump. Look at who you hate and who you worship as if you are demons worshipping Satan himself.

If you revert back to my first paragraph through history and my studies, it is disheartening to me with no evidence diverting the truth of this injunction.


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The Biden Regime taking over America. Why hasn't Biden stepped up to defend his name for the unity of America. That's because the bastard is guilty, that's why. I saw all those bastard democrats lying during the impeachment inquiry. ALL OF THEM. Like scared rabbits caught red handed as the world does nothing but laughs. The whole world. Everybody

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!


By tecsan at 21,Mar,24 05:41 other posts of tecsan 
I see little hunter the coward was afraid to show up. After all that is originally what he wanted was a public forum. This regime is nothing but lying cowards. You do not show up when you are guilty...Good reason I guess. China owns this regime and will do anything to keep it going.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What are you talking about?
Last time Hunter showed up, Comer didn't even have the balls to face him.

Hunter showed up when he needed to. And he crushed your guys!



By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 10:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you on the side of this Texas Republican? If so, why?
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By tecsan at 24,Feb,24 05:59 other posts of tecsan 
You will have to do a little more explaining. Not enough info.

By tecsan at 25,Feb,24 08:21 other posts of tecsan 
Thought so.
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Didn't you say you were able to get your own information?

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They want to allow schools to allow anyone who calls themself a 'chaplain'
to qualify as a school counselor. That's just an invite for religious fanatics,
who want to indoctrinate children, and sexual abusers.




By phart at 22,Feb,24 00:39 other posts of phart 
The defunding of new york has begun!
May it rot.Ungrateful bastards.

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By sherryann at 22,Feb,24 01:18 other posts of sherryann 
Good And did you see the smug look on that goofy judges face? What an asshole! The vile hatred these people display for President Trump is outrageous. I've lost friends who are also Trump haters. Good riddance.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 14:08 other posts of phart 
I think the news about the truckers boycott of new york is wonderful news as well. Fuck with our President , sink into the bowels of hell.
If you had friend that hated Trump ,they were not friends, they were liabilities
By tecsan at 23,Feb,24 06:11 other posts of tecsan 
Glad Texas finally stood up to uncle joe and has won so far. Could you imagine joey sending the feds to cut the razor wire and before they leave we put it back up. People have to realize that would be shown around the world on cable news. I agree, he is sinking into the bowels of hell.

By sherryann at 28,Feb,24 01:53 other posts of sherryann 
Gotta love those truckers!! about those "friends", yeah they weren't really friends. It was back in 2016 when I was subjected to their hate for Trump. When I told them I was a Trump supporter they went ballistic crazy. It was really hateful and over the top, then I never heard from them again





By phart at 23,Feb,24 16:26 other posts of phart 
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The radio programs seem to be interesting.just scroll down the page a ways and clic on and listen.


By tecsan at 19,Feb,24 07:31 other posts of tecsan 
Listen Ananas2xLekker we all know you hate The United States of America. Where would your little country be without us? Folks notice he/she will not claim he/she does not hate the USA. So now who would really want to claim him/her as a friend. He/her has many socialist supporters in it's country as we have want to be socialists in the USA.

One thing we all forgot even the framers of the Constitution is that if you want to take over a country is use their ignorance against them. I admit that I use to think the framers thought of everything, but they did not see biden and the attack coming from within the country, I do not think anyway.

Sorry for the pronouns, but now days it pays to be careful with these libtards.
By phart at 19,Feb,24 15:49 other posts of phart 
the founders had no idea that people born the free country they designed and built would ever reembrace the wicked ways of socialism and dictatorships they came to America to get away from.
That is why liberals hate history being taught in schools.
That way if kids don't know why America began, then the country can become a second europe with all it' issues far worse than ours.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 16:08 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
“ liberals hate history being taught in schools.‘ Are you serious? Have you seen what DeSantis is doing in Florida? Have you seen what other conservative politicians have been doing in other areas of the country? You have this wrong view of what socialistic practices are all about.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 18:17 other posts of phart 
Then tell me why liberal democrats do not want the WHOLE truth told about slavery for example? The democrats only want the sad side of the story told that furthers their indoctrination of the black people to believe they are only victims that are owed. When it was their own people that sold them into slavery to begin with?

Tell the WHOLE truth, not just the parts fitting to your thought process. that is the gripe.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 20:16 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
There’s only the sad truth. There’s no other side. Slavery is one of the ugliest things one human being can do to another. All this “tell the whole truth” is just BS. Their suffering was caused by ALL the whites. Don’t come now with a “but”. The Confederacy was established to protect the right to own slaves. That is the truth. That is the history.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 21:01 other posts of phart 
I didn't say not to teach that,I just said teach it all. White men were to lazy to pic their own cotton, do you think they got off the boat and chased down the black folks that were brought here? It is proven fact blacks sold blacks. to much is written about it to deny it,why not teach it,so folks will know the truth.
Are you saying wiki is wrong?
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Not meaning to derail the thread,just using a frustrating subject to prove a point.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 23:29 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Whatever blacks did to other blacks is despicable and should be taught. That doesn’t excuse the fact that if there wasn’t a market for slaves then slaves would not have been brought here. I’ve known all my scholastic life that African blacks would enslave other blacks and sell them to slave traders. Heck, all you have to do is watch old Tarzan movies.




By tecsan at 22,Feb,24 05:01 other posts of tecsan 
Doubt it Cat. No tell me who are the culprits that destroyed or removed all the historical statues.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Feb,24 16:09 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Care to name some of those “historical statues”?




By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,24 20:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you keep saying that? I very much dislike your right-wing politics.
BUT YOU ARE NOT AMERICA!!! The majority are liberals and I like them.
The Constitution are liberal guidelines to achieve liberty, made by liberals.
I like it. You don't!
By tecsan at 20,Feb,24 06:20 other posts of tecsan 
Then why do liberals want to destroy it? Why do the liberals want to stop teaching or change the story in history? Please keep your silly beliefs to yourself Ananas2xLekker!
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 16:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you wear women's clothing in the weekend?

Putting a lie in your question doesn't make it true. (unless I'm right)
By tecsan at 21,Feb,24 06:19 other posts of tecsan 
????? My question was the damn truth and you jolly well know it. Stop with your dumbass remarks.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Feb,24 16:12 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It’s not a dumbass remark. The man speaks the truth. You and yours are not the USA. You are a part of the USA.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 18:18 other posts of phart 
YOu and yours are not the USA either,only a part of it,so stop trying to run the rest of us over.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Feb,24 16:15 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I’m not doing that. That would be exhausting. I’m just trying to keep you guys honest in your thoughts and words. I never hear from you guys how good it would be if the LA smog problem was solved. I never hear from you guys how the VA could be funded to a higher level. I never hear from you guys how to get the Republican side of Congress to stop trying so hard get Trump re-elected and actually pass some good legislation.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:28 other posts of phart 
Fix chinas emissions and alot of that smog in La would dissipate because it would not be coming to La via the Jet stream that the japanese used before WW 2 to send rice balloon bombs to the US. You might read about that. really neat use of nature even though it was for evil.




By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Feb,24 22:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"you jolly well know it" is not an argument.
Can't you think of anything better?
By phart at 21,Feb,24 23:43 other posts of phart 
I would like to know the proof that democrats and liberals are not out to destroy.
I see only evidence that they are.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 18:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The evidence is that every time a Republican is in office, they leave a fucking mess, for the Democrats to clean up.
It always ends in a big crisis, a huge deficit and high unemployment.
The world is in chaos and concerns with Republicans in office.

Every time a Democrat is in office, your country improves in that time.
The deficit goes down from what the Republicans left behind, the crisis is averted, the economy recovers, unemployment hits record lows and wages go up,
while inflation goes down and the stock market is doing great.
The world is breathing easy with Democrats in office.

That has been going on for decades and decades.









By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Funny, how Tucker Carlson explained why he didn't ask Putin, about killing all his rivals, with 'Leaders Have To Kill People'.
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And now he says: ‘No decent person would defend’ what happened to Navalny.
True, no decent person defended Putin, but Tucker did, no more than days before.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:26 other posts of phart 
Well, I have watched some of that interview and I really don't think much was gained by anybody.
BUT I will say this. To those that don't think Carlson did a good enough job, Please let me know when YOU ,the whiners and critics are going to schedule a interview with Putin and I might want to have you ask him a couple questions for me.

How many in this forum would have took the time,or been brave enough, to sit down with Putin?
Anyone?
Before ukraine I might have, just to try to understand the man.but not now,I don't think I could. what he is doing may make sense on paper to put the union back together and prevent the spread of Nazism but to many innocent people have died on both sides.

If you have a enemy, take out the enemy and the few that support them,not the entire population.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 21:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
All the media that you hate so much asks Putin for interviews all the time.
Putin just doesn't want to do interviews with them, because they don't tickle his nuts
and suck his cock like Tucker did.

I do think it's unfair to Tucker for Putin to kill Navalny right after.
After he did so much for him. Like he wanted to put down Tucker.

He was so enthusiastic about Russia having a clean subway (which all of Europe has) and supermarket carts with coins in them (which all of Europe has) and prices in supermarkets that are so much lower than in America, but still unaffordable for Russians making $14,771/year on average.




By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Feb,24 16:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Republicans are still using 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' as the correct adjective.
So, I fully support the Democratic politicians using the adjective 'Banana Republican',
until Republicans stopt their use of 'Democrat' as adjective.
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By tecsan at 18,Feb,24 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
Believe you are mistaken socialist Ananas2xLekker, the libtards have us living in a banana republic with crooked joe as a so called leader.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,24 20:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you know any other arguments, besides calling me a socialist
and just lazy flipping of the argument.
Can you think of something new and original?


By phart at 18,Feb,24 12:51 other posts of phart 
isn't it the democrat party?
Don't the candidates run as democrats?
i have not saw any use of the word that was a problem.
Democratic, would be in reference to the process would it not?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, it isn't, it's the DemocratIC party and the RepublicAN party.
Those are called adjectives.
Well, that 1 vs 1 in correcting each other's English.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:22 other posts of phart 


Ok you got me there!

BUT I think I will continue to use the democrat party because it fits my feelings about the group in general.

"The real reason 'Democrat Party' is wrong is not because it's ungrammatical, but because it's incorrect in another way—the party is simply not named the Democrat Party, but the Democratic Party. Calling it anything else is discourteous"


I don't have any use for 99% of the democrats.





By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Republican's investigations into the 2020 election finally paid off.
They found 4000 votes that were miscounted:
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 03,Feb,24 22:26 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
For shame.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,24 10:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those 4000 votes were stolen from Biden, by the way.
They don't have any shame. They just hid the fact and continued to lie.
By tecsan at 06,Feb,24 05:43 other posts of tecsan 
Come on man as your precious one says, you leave out all the ballot fraud committed by the democraps. Remember Wanda? only registered users can see external links
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,24 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That was in a mayoral election. We are talking about the general election.
She has not been found guilty yet, by the way.

Meanwhile, the wife of a north-western Iowa county supervisor was convicted on Tuesday of a scheme to stuff the ballot box in her husband’s unsuccessful race
for a Republican nomination to run for Congress in 2020.
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List of Republicans committing voter fraud continues to grow
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By tecsan at 14,Feb,24 06:40 other posts of tecsan 
Guilty of one then could be guilty of another. Guess you know of craig the ballot stuffer. Oh yes, he is a democrap too.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Feb,24 07:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Instead of going through them individually, here's the whole list:
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The political affiliations are known for 165 defendants:
38.2% of those convicted were Democrats,
42.4% were Republicans, while the remainder were Independent,
nonpartisan, or unaffiliated.

MORE REPUBLICANS!
By tecsan at 14,Feb,24 08:31 other posts of tecsan 
You just made a point for me. Independent, nonpartisan or unaffiliated are usually libtard voters mostly. You may be surprised this year though.
By phart at 14,Feb,24 12:48 other posts of phart 
I am unaffiliated and I do NOT vote liberal. I registered that way to try to stave off all the political phone calls and such. Still have been getting a slew of junk mail lately. The mail lady actually joked yesterday, "here's you some fire starting material for the shop"
a stack of shit telling me which 1 to vote for this position and that. you would think they would use the internet more for info than that.










By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,24 14:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
‘Conspiracy theorist’ accused of killing father was furious dad got vaccinated.
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Not long before, some deranged conspiracy theorist killed his father in Pennsylvania.
He showed his father's decapitated head on YouTube.

That's what you get from all that anti-vax propaganda.
It starts with 'I'm just asking questions', and then giving false answers
and it ends in people killing their own family.


By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,24 14:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Here is Senator Sheldon Whitehouse explaining in detail how big oil and other
corporate interests are diverting unlimited amounts of dark money to fund propaganda
to help the big polluters keep making their money, while Americans get poisoned.
He shows the rank corruption that the Republican party is engaged in.

That corruption only favors the current industry that is fighting against their inevitable replacement. They are fighting against innovation. Innovation isn't an obstacle to the growth of your economy. Without innovation, American cars and other products would only be sold in America and nowhere else. Regulation forces innovation and innovation keeps you competitive.

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By tecsan at 01,Feb,24 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
Who cares, I will not be pushed into an undependable EV ( Also where are you supposed to charge them ). I will stick with my gasoline powered engine. Thanks anyway.

I have never even seen an EV charging station!
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Feb,24 09:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you think this is just about EV's?
Lots of people in Texas ar breathing toxic air from fracking.
That is for natural gas, of which 40% is used for electricity.
Solar panels and wind turbines don't make your air toxic.

Innovation doesn't even have to stop fossil fuels, but just
make fossil fuel companies pollute your air and water less.
They are fucking you over, for a bit more profit.

I don't want YOU to get cancer, because of Europe's higher demand.

Don't you even care about the air you breath yourself?

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Jon Stewart nailing it:
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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm sure this is all very woke, but how is he wrong?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Jan,24 13:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Right-wing commentators don't have any principles or backbone.
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By dgraff at 19,Jan,24 22:11 other posts of dgraff 
What about wrestling commentators and Republican Jessie Ventura are you going to tell him to his face that he has no backbone
--------------------------------------- added after 2 minutes

Next you will want to tell Arnold Schwarzenegger he has a little dick
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Jan,24 22:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I meant POLITICAL commentators, and OK, maybe not all of them them.
Jesse Ventura is actually a good example of someone with opinions that differ a lot
from mine, but who I actually trust to be honest and principled.
I consider Arnold to be mostly genuine too. I think he has big balls.

That you are able to provide these examples, does give me a sign
that you understand how awfully fake most of the others are.

Did you actually watch the video or just commented on my comment?
If you watched it, you might understand why I said it.




By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jan,24 13:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Johnson risks same fate as McCarthy with spending deal"
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So they found a guy who is a awful as possible, but as soon as he even tried to do 1%
of what he is supposed to do, the crazy MAGA lunatics want him out again.
They want him to do just one thing; create as much damage to America as possible,
so they can blame it on the Democrats.

If voters weren't as stupid, that wouldn't be a viable strategy....


By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Dec,23 08:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ron DeSantis’s Wife, Casey, Encouraged Republicans to Commit Voter Fraud in Iowa
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By tecsan at 12,Dec,23 08:53 other posts of tecsan 
I suppose no libtard has ever done that. Probably on a larger scale is why there is no comparison.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Dec,23 09:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Indeed, no libtard has ever done that.
By tecsan at 13,Dec,23 03:51 other posts of tecsan 
Indeed that is bullshit.

By tecsan at 13,Dec,23 03:52 other posts of tecsan 
Indeed that is bullshit. Libtards have done it for years, including H ROTTEN C.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 11:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Did Hillary ask people to vote in another state than where people are registered?
Show me the evidence! If they've done it for years, that should be easy.
By tecsan at 15,Dec,23 07:34 other posts of tecsan 
I really do not fully understand the question. I can legally vote in another state other than my own, but I believe I can only vote once. Now mail in ballots are another form of fraud. Then biden will be voting for himself from the grave.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Dec,23 03:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Not so
Even if you own a home in two different states, it is a felony to vote in more than one state in the same election.
By tecsan at 22,Dec,23 04:33 other posts of tecsan 
I did not say I vote twice. Just said I can legally vote in another state. But hell, felonies to the biden's are nothing. Stop Trump with all legal means necessary and illegal means also.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 22,Dec,23 13:14 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I don’t understand your point about voting.



By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Dec,23 15:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you don't understand what was wrong, then why do you even react to it?

Casey DeSantis said: “you do not have to be a resident of Iowa to be able to participate in the caucus”. She was obviously not talking about the general election.

Her remarks collided with Iowa law and caucus rules, which strictly limit participation to legal residents of the state.








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This is what happens if you privatize lifeguards:
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By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Dec,23 10:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
George Santos Vows Revenge Against GOP Reps That Voted to Expel Him
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He is outing several of his former colleagues for their corruption.
Didn't I say before that George Santos is doing beautiful damage to the GOP?

He's even threatening to expose a gay-bashing Republican for his hidden homosexuality.

YOU GO GIRL!
By phart at 05,Dec,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
why would anyone give his words any creditability when the whole reason he was expelled is because he lied his way into office??
By tecsan at 06,Dec,23 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
Not to mention that he his a crook. I think that is a requirement for Democrats.
By phart at 06,Dec,23 18:10 other posts of phart 
I don't think even the democrats want him.they helped get rid of him

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Dec,23 21:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Meanwhile, there was one Democrat who was actually a crook, Sen. Bob Menendez, and the Democrats kicked him out immediately, while the Republicans defended him.
By tecsan at 07,Dec,23 04:23 other posts of tecsan 
You never seen me defend the SOB. Think the Republicans just wanted to see how easy it was to defend a democrat. Menendez was too low on the chain for them to defend him. You need to be President or a relative for the nuts to defend you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are correct to defend the president, because the Republicans are constantly lying about finding anything suspicious, while there is nothing.
Speaking of Hunter, he has obviously taken advantage of the credentials of his father, but there is again no evidence at all that his father was involved.
Republicans are lying about that too. James Comer is trying to use the paying back of a loan of $4000 for car payments, in 2018 when Biden was not in office, which is confirmed by bank records and messages, as evidence of corruption.

It's all projection, because they are much more corrupt themselves.
James Comer and his own brother have engaged in multiple land swaps over the years, through family-owned businesses, that do not appear to actually EXIST.
That obviously is some sort of money laundering scheme.
That did all happen while James Comer was in office. How about investigating that?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Dec,23 16:14 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
What’s that old saying, “Do as I say, not as I do”?
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Every single thing they accuse others of doing,
is an admission of guilt for that exact thing.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Dec,23 16:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It’s what guides their thinking. They think everyone is as crooked as them in their lifestyle.

By phart at 07,Dec,23 18:04 other posts of phart 
So what you are saying no 1 will never accuse the democrats of being honest?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Dec,23 12:33 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I’ve lived a few years, Phart, and I can tell you that few politicians, Repukers or Dumbocrats, are totally honest. The degree of “honesty” is what makes one individual preferable over another. In general, people are like that. There are less percentage of dishonest people in the general population but it’s there. These days, the want of a politician wanting to do something good for his country, is no longer so. Now it’s “What’s in it for me.”.
In relation to this last, the Repuckers are always looking for “What’s in it for them even if they screw the rest of the country.”. It may be money. It may be power. It may be religious belief. They won’t accept any compromise.



By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:38 other posts of tecsan 
You nailed it CAT, exactly how libtards think.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Dec,23 12:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It’s how everyone thinks. The difference is in WHO BENEFITS. Take the previous Clown, what did he do that was for the people and not for himself first? The answer is, “NOTHING”.



By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:41 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker, I hope you are not as stupid as you sound. What more proof do you want, you want it on camera of sort. Wow, I have seen libtards defend libtards, but this ridiculous.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Dec,23 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
More? I haven't seen ANY!

Instead of your insults, PRESENT THAT PROOF!
By phart at 08,Dec,23 19:58 other posts of phart 
Where is the "proof" republicans did anything and why is that "proof" golden where as the "proof" on democrats is all hog wash? Eh?
By #681164 at 09,Dec,23 00:00
These is a list of tainted politicians. It ciontains some Democrats too.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 12:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We were talking about George Santos and his prosecutor will show the 'proof'.

But here are a few examples:

The corruption of Trump was on every news channel in the world.
At least we could praise the openness of his corruption.
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Just Google 'Texas attorney general Ken Paxton corruption'.

Republican Representative Duncan Hunter has pleaded guilty to conspiring to steal more than $150,000 in campaign funds.

James Comer and his brother engaging in land swaps related to their family farming business. In one deal—also involving $200,000, as well as a shell company—the more powerful and influential Comer channeled extra money to his brother, seemingly from nothing. Other recent land swaps were quickly followed with new applications for special tax breaks, state records show.

Then we have the ridiculous corruption of your Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. All the gifts he got from his wealthy friends are uncovered by Homeland Security, ask them for the evidence. As far as I can find, it is:
- 38 destination vacations (including a yacht voyage around the Bahamas)
- 26 private jet flights (about $130,000 per flight)
- eight helicopter flights
- a dozen VIP passes to costly sporting events
- two stays at luxury resorts in Florida and Jamaica
- an open invitation to an “uber-exclusive golf club
- Harlan Crow buying the house that Thomas’ mother was renting and then spending tens of thousands of dollars of improvements and likely not charging for rent
- Harlan Crow building one new house on the block and renting it to a local police officer, for protection
- Harlan Crow buying properties that Thomas and his family owned for much more than they were valued
- private boarding school tuition for Thomas’ grandnephew
- his wife Ginni accepting payments from conservative donors
It's nice to have rich friends who 'help' you like that, right?

I'm sure you think that's all fine for Republicans, but if it's a Democrat,
which it much more rarely is, then it would be a problem.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Dec,23 16:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ken Paxton should have his balls cut off and fed to him. How dare he put his political ambitions before the welfare of a pregnant woman.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 17:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you referring to this?
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Yes, the corrupt asshole is also an absolute scumbag!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Dec,23 17:39 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Yes! We know he's corrupt as anyone in or out of politics, but, to stop a woman from medically needed help is beyond anything.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 18:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Everyone's death is worth their pro-life narrative.















By tecsan at 09,Dec,23 08:10 other posts of tecsan 
Druggie hunter is guilty as hell. He already admitted it.
By phart at 09,Dec,23 13:41 other posts of phart 
Nothing will happen to him, he is the presidents son, would you want to be the judge that put the presidents son in jail?
The clinton list would get a addition as the judge would have some strange accident.his lamp cord would jump up off the floor and choke him or something
Corruption is running rampant in washington right now.
By tecsan at 10,Dec,23 10:01 other posts of tecsan 
In this case I would love to be the judge, but I would be disqualified because of my bias. Corruption in DC has been rampant for many years now. Maybe someone was close to disclosing it. If you were one of the corrupt ones then you would try at all costs from be disclosed.


By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 11:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The gun charge was probably real, but no one has ever been indicted for just that.
Every time someone was indicted for that, it was on top of another crime related to
gun use.

The average American who engages in tax-fraud doesn't have the Justice Department coming after them. That's just BECAUSE he's the son of the president.

By the way, tax-fraud is the least of the crimes that your preferred president has been accused of. Himself, not just both of his older sons and his daughter. Trump has been found guilty of 17 felonies, including tax fraud and falsifying business records.
Trump has to pay $1.6 million in fines, but why is he not going to jail?

Who is actually threatening judges and prosecutors and witnesses and the jury?
Never heard Joe Biden do that. As always, accusing the other side of what your side
is doing.

Hunters charges have absolutely nothing to do with corruption, because Hunter Biden
is not a politician and none of the charges are at all related to Joe Biden.



By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Dec,23 09:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Trump's Worst Lawyer, Alina Habba, May Be Disbarred For This"
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Didn't I say that Alina Habba is Trump's Worst Lawyer?
She really screwed Trump again, because the Appeals court denies Trump's 'presidential immunity' argument in the E. Jean Carroll's defamation suit, because Alina Habba had waited too long to raise it as a defense.

Of course it would be completely unconstitutional if the Court of Appeals had decided otherwise, but after all the court packing that Trump did, there is no guarantee anymore of judges actually caring about the constitution.

In any case, this is now an important precedent against Trump.


By phart at 10,Dec,23 05:22 other posts of phart 
Cnn of all things, showing real people suffering,and coping the best they can,
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By phart at 09,Dec,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
So the Hunter has 9 more charges against him. I wonder when the impeachment of the Gatherer, will begin?

The bidens are hunters and gatherers of money


By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Dec,23 21:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The right-wing group Moms for Liberty is in serious trouble right now. After reports emerged last week that one of the founders down here in the state of Florida, her husband, who happens to be the chair of the Florida Republican Party, has been accused of sexual battery by a woman who, both the man Christian Ziglar and his wife Bridget Ziglar, the founder of Moms for Liberty, were supposed to be having a threesome with,
but unfortunately they had to cancel it according to the affidavits now released by the police department. Bridget Ziglar, again, a co-founder of the right wing group, moms for Liberty behind some of the book bans across the country because they're indoctrinating our children into their sexual deviancy, told police "Yeah, we had scheduled a threesome with this woman, but I unfortunately had to cancel that particular day.". But according to the woman who made the complaint against Ziegler's husband, they had been doing this for quite some time.

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Right-wingers like them are accusing everyone of sexual deviancy, but meanwhile they are closeted homosexuals who suck male prostitutes in back alleys, or they hire a black man to fuck their wife while they are jerking off, or their teen daughter had several abortions already, or they have been watching teen boys in the shower, or they talk about how they would want to take the virginity of their daughter, or they are just doing everything they have ever accused democrats of doing.

It is amazing how hypocritical conservatives are. Every single thing they accuse others of doing, or are firmly against, is an admission of guilt for that exact thing.


By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Dec,23 09:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe you've heard about a car crashing at very high speed and exploding,
at the US-Canada bridge.

Here's the difference with liberal and right-wing media:
CNN and MSNBC just reported it as an accident, because there was no evidence
to report it as anything else.

Fox 'News' immediately called it a terror attack.
They had to retract it later, because there is no reason to think that.

And now Fox 'News' is blaming the liberal media, while it was their own
irresponsible fearmongering, to call it a terror attack.
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Fox 'News' doesn't have any journalistic integrity, it's propaganda.
They just want you to be afraid and angry, so you'll vote for a dictator,
to protect you from the bullshit they put in your brain.
They have nothing real to offer you, so they lie to you 24/7.

There is a code of ethics for journalists. Fox 'News' shits on it.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Nov,23 11:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
David Cross: Why America Sucks at Everything
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I found it through this guy, Nate Lawson, reacting to it:
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By tecsan at 11,Nov,23 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
We know you HATE AMERICA. So what is your point?
By phart at 11,Nov,23 15:02 other posts of phart 
I didn't watch these 2 but i watched something about cleaning your room.
head scratchers as to what it all has to do with the real world.
a few water pumps stop and ananas won't be with us any longer, and he thinks America has issues.
By tecsan at 13,Nov,23 07:20 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker hates America. That is why people are invading our southern border. To escape his ideology.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those are AMERICANS, telling YOU that your country sucks.
Better listen, if you still want to do something to MAGA.
How can you MAGA, if you don't listen to people telling you
what problems you have in America?

Or are you like Hillary, saying 'America is already great'?
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:47 other posts of phart 
I want to see America be like it was when I was growing up. If you wanted a nice car,you went and bought what you WANTED,not what the government let the company sell you.Want a nice home, build it yourself! Now zoning and counties require specialist and such to do so much of the work all you can do is stand back and pay the bill and wait till they all leave to fix something the way you actually want it behind the governments back.
People were working, people were being successful ,achieving goals. Sure we had a "cold war" going on with Russia but at that time all they were doing was the same as us, trying to survive and make sure the world knew they would and could defend themselves ,same as us.
Now we shouldn't be that scared of russia ,both countries are
are blasting syria right now, keeping it's terrorist in check We are now forced to be scared of lone wolf terrorist and those backed by middle eastern interest. A fear we didn't have growing up.

By tecsan at 15,Nov,23 04:53 other posts of tecsan 
People coming here to escape your socialist, marxist or communist ideology is about all I need to prove your crap is just that. I know there are some terrorists in the groups, but that is uncle joe's fault. Eventhough he does not know what day this is or who is going to change his diaper next.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 14:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're showing how little you understand of it, by calling my ideas the 'socialist, marxist or communist ideology', parroting Trump and all other dumb right-wingers.

And, like always, the only thing you can come up with to criticize Biden is his age.
It shows that you are unable to think about what actually matters in the world.

Trump definitely wears a diaper (too). You're only claiming Biden does, because it was said about Trump way before. It's your standard projection.
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Trump regularly makes mistakes in his rallies, thinking Obama is still president or he won an election against Obama or warns that Biden is taking the nation into WWII. He's obviously experiencing mental decline, which is a problem, because he never had much intelligence, even when he was younger.

In any conversation, Biden is coherent and logical, while Trump is incoherent, chaotic, fully self-centered (which can be a mental health condition, a personality disorder and a symptom of Alzheimer's disease) and he's constantly saying the dumbest things imaginable. The only reason that Trump cares about the next election, is getting off from all his indictments, by pardoning himself, which would be the most shameful act by an American president in history, and getting revenge on all the people he holds accountable for holding him accountable. He doesn't care about you or any other American. He only cares about himself and you are a dumb-ass for supporting a man of that character.
By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 04:39 other posts of tecsan 
I have NEVER criticized joey about his age, if so prove it here. I criticized his cognition which could also apply to a 3 year old. Stop lying about me. I know what matters in the world, but do you. Stop defending the underdogs that do terrorist acts. Ok you say Israel is a terrorist group. So if another terrorist group attacks then you agree with it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 08:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Talking about his diaper changes is a 'joke' about his age,
because it's bullshit related to his cognition.
His lack of energy and the soft way he speaks is related to his age,
his actual cognition is in better shape than Trump's cognition.

You're judging Biden on appearing weak, which is related to his age.
You're not judging Biden on his memory or his ability to answer a question or his ability to understand a difficult topic, which is his cognition.
It's all just about appearances for you. And on appearances, Trump looks better. Trump speaks with confidence and energy. However, if you actually listen to what Trump and Biden are saying, then Trump is way more incoherent in his message, his vocabulary has diminished even further and makes mistakes about people and facts constantly. When he holds a rally, I can see that even some of his crowd are starting to notice. That's his cognition.

Additionally, Biden is more intelligent and more knowledgeable.
He'd do much better on any test than Trump, and you.
That's why I would vote for a weak but wiser man like Biden over a way more energetic, but dangerously stupid Trump, with his brain obviously turning into mush more every day.
By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 08:39 other posts of tecsan 
You really think so, then bring it on anytime. I know the differece between a circle and triangle. I also know how to walk off of a stage without help and I can walk up steps without falling three times. I also need no diaper change which some do when they're COGNITION fails. Have any other smartass remarks about diaper changes? Cognition has a lot to do with having to wear a diaper, not just age. Keep the smartass remarks coming. Guess you got the dootie duty today by your remarks.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 08:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"I know the differece between a circle and triangle." So does Biden.

"I also know how to walk off of a stage without help and I can walk up steps without falling three times." That's his AGE!!!
By tecsan at 17,Nov,23 03:58 other posts of tecsan 
I have one question for him, if I ever get the chance. 'What year is this'?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Don't be silly, I see him answer questions that YOU are not able to.
Neither can Trump. He can only talk about how he's 'being treated unfairly'.
I fear that either Biden and Trump in his current state will have troubles with that dementia test, but Trump has always been a dangerous selfish lunatic, who should have never been near The White House. Biden has always been a nice neo-liberal career politician, just like my last prime minister. Also not my favorite person to have in The White House, but at least not an imminent existential danger, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

When you vote for Democrats you get experienced bureaucrats who want to keep the government running smoothly. When their dementing president wants to do something stupid, they will calm him down and gently reason him out of it.
When you vote for Republicans, these days, you get utter lunatic Christo-fascists, who want to destroy the government, that keeps America minimally survivable. When their dementing president wants to do something stupid, they will cheer him on; "Yes, nuke them all!" and cum in their pants.



By #681164 at 16,Nov,23 23:34
Is that a reference to Trump needing help to get down a ramp?
By tecsan at 25,Nov,23 07:27 other posts of tecsan 
I really doubt that, biden is the one falling upstairs when most fall 'DOWN' stairs.
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It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that he's the president while Trump has 93 indictments (I think it's 93).






By tecsan at 19,Nov,23 05:57 other posts of tecsan 
Really, anything I say is racist or Trumpism to you. We get that you hate America. Move on.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Not everything that you are saying is racist, but a lot. You hate a lot of people
and many of them are not white. It's not always because of their color, but you definitely have lots of prejudices based on color, religion and ethnicity.

Those prejudices based on color, religion and ethnicity are part of Trumpism.

America isn't racist; the Constitution is against racism. I like that.

Trumpism hates "all men are created equal", people having the unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, equal rights, fair elections, equal protection under the laws, secularism, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, free education, three separate but equal branches of government, the power to declare war in the hands of Congress, the freedom against search and seizure and barring excessive bail and fines and cruel and unusual punishment.
Some of those rights you want for yourself, but for no one else.
That's not supporting the Constitution. You only support the Constitution,
if you support it for everyone.

It's not me that hates America, it's Trumpism that hates America!
That's why I call that Trumpism; Anti-American.




By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 04:59 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe MAGA is winning and a majority say things were better with MAGA. Remember Maga was not ultra maga then, but joey made it that way. We have a weakling representing us now which much of the world like, you know idiots like you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 13:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Better a weakling than a stupid, dangerous, selfish fascist.

Whatever MAGA stands for, there is nothing in your history that they want to bring back that will make your country better, let alone Great Again.

There were things that made America better than it is now,
the ability for a person with a normal job to buy a home.
Neither the 'normal' Republicans, nor MAGA, nor ultra-MAGA
has any plans that will ever give back the ability to a person
with a normal job to buy a home.
The only plans I see from 'normal' Republicans, MAGA, or ultra-MAGA
are screwing the middle class even more, in favor of the wealthy
and returning to racism, sexism and bigotry and supporting stupidity.
They support a mix of oligarchy and Christian fascism. Nothing else!

In any case, that's the opposite of what the Constitution describes.
Ultra-MAGA is unAmerican and planning to do treason against the USA (again).
People who understand that, would vote for a potted plant over Trump.




By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you think I'm politically active? I'm 'cleaning my room'.
I have seen all the dirt and trash that right-wingers threw in 'my room',
and now I'm helping people with brains and responsibility clean it up.

Every problem in my country is the consequence of right-wingers giving away public ownership to the market, increasing the price and increasing bureaucracy, the exact opposite of what they promised would happen.

Still, my country is about 100X better organized than yours.
The US would rely on a 'few pumps' to protect your country, we do not.
There is literally nothing that the US does only a little bit better.
Your country is organized worse than the poorest countries in Europe.
The bottom 50% of Americans are living like the poorest Europeans.
Meanwhile, you have the richest 1% people in the world.
Supporting that system is hurting you, because you are in the bottom percentages.

So, when are you going to clean your room?
Or are you helping the 1% clean their room, by starving you to death.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 15:03 other posts of phart 
I wouldn't HAVE a fucking room if it weren't for people with more than I have providing a job for me to work and earn a salary until i was unable.

would you have a room if you didn't have a job?
would it be as nice?
would should a free room be as good as 1 that a working person lives in?
a free room should be nothing that needs much cleaning,a floor 4 walls and a roof, want better,go to work for the man that has more than you and is willing to compensate you for your time spent doing his work.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Nov,23 15:24 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
To me you come across as someone that totally undervalues your own worth. It's not compensation. It's bartering using your labor and knowledge to trade for a worthy price. The employer is not doing you a favor. He needs you as much as you need him.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:35 other posts of phart 
I understand that i have value ,I just have enough sense to know my value is not as high as someone with a higher engineering degree or more physical ability's than myself.
And I am doing the employer a favor and he is doing me 1.
The employer could have used the money he invested in a company or a product and just went to jamacia and lived and not made the choice of risking his worth to build a company that employes others.
Gm is 1 of few employers that may not be able to move totally off shore because of national security but most any company that makes wheel barrows or tractors or kitchen sinks can move off shore and save millions of dollars over the course of time. BUt they for some reason decide to stay here and employ Americans.So they are actually doing you a favor.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Nov,23 00:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The reason for a business to stay here is that moving to another country is very very expensive and the transition to local laws, labor practices and language makes it an insurmountable task. Only big, multinational corporations can do that and they all have a foothold in the country they are moving to. Another reason is that owners have family and friends here. They don't want to move. You have this mistaken idea that employers are doing you a favor for creating a job for you. Their main interest is TO MAKE MONEY. They couldn't care who works for them as long as the work is done. You think they would give you a second thought when they don't need you anymore?. I can't believe you've reached late middle age and you haven't seen this.



By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 16:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How about people who are born unable to work or get turned that way as a kid,
by some drunk driver? Shouldn't they have a room?

If I didn't have a job, then 'Why not?', that's the question.
The answer determines how nice my room should be.
If I'm unable to work, the room should be nicer than when I'm unwilling to work.

There should be a minimum room for everyone, even the most lazy, selfish, drug addicted person who could be working at any job, but just are too lazy. That room shouldn't be nice, but nice enough to sit around doing nothing and living their life of the other people's effort.
That's the person that will otherwise just turn to crime, which makes them more damaging to society. They would hurt people and they would need to be incarcerated, adding to your $80 billion prison cost. It's much cheaper to just let those people be worthless but harmless.

Anyone who's not the most lazy, selfish, drug addicted person, would just want more than that minimum room, because most people want to have goals in life. Most people want to be useful or valuable to society. That's what we need, people who have the time to think about how they can serve society best. There is no use in forcing people to do some stupid, useless job, just because they need to eat and have a roof over their head.

The value I add to society is more than enough to feed and minimally house some useless bum. However, the value I add is not going to them or to me, but mostly to a few billionaires, who are just as useless. They sit around doing nothing too, but they have money working for them. That money is not serving bums, or society, it's just serving those billionaires in getting even richer.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:40 other posts of phart 
Disabled people, kids, folks that are not in control of their destiny do need help. And the first place that help should come from is family. not government.
those without family, perhaps then the government should step up.
And i can't see the Financial gain in housing someone in a free room for being worthless over that of prison.
Prison can be contracted out and done in bulk in simple structures and feedings at a lower cost than housing bums in nice apartments. Putting a bum in a apartment with wifi and jacuzzi is not going to motivate them to be anything better.
The rich you call bums can always pull their investments,taking away your tax base for your government to provide freebies with and take away the jobs also.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Nov,23 00:33 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Family does help and when it's not enough, it's the family's responsibility to ask for help outside the family.
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And, by the way, the rich will NOT pull their investments and loose their profits just to keep from paying taxes that account for a very little percentage compared to their profits. Phart, just ask any businessman if he would close his business just to "moon" the government and see what they say.

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 15:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"And i can't see the Financial gain in housing someone in a free room for being worthless over that of prison."

It is not that hard phart; to put someone in prison, they first need to commit a crime. I hope we agree on that, right? That crime causes damage to people. Understand? See why that is worse? And prisons are more expensive than just cheap social housing, because they require guards and lots of other facilities.
At least, some worthless bum can buy his own groceries and feed himself. An American prisoner costs $39,924 per year ($109.38 per day). Pay a bum half that money and they can take care of themselves.


"The rich you call bums can always pull their investments,taking away your tax base for your government to provide freebies with and take away the jobs also."
That's why you shouldn't allow a few individuals all that power and money!!!
Because, it makes democracy useless, if wealthy people control everything!!!

It's like, you got some bright moment of understanding here.
Keep it in your head for a while, think about it.
By phart at 16,Nov,23 02:33 other posts of phart 
I am sorry but you might want to go back over those numbers, "affordable" housing in this area , starts at 300,000 dollars!
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not "affordable" housing. That's a ridiculous price, resulting from housing being left to the 'market'.

I'm not asking to buy $300,000 houses for bums, I'm asking for low cost social housing projects, that they can rent.

Rent is just also ridiculously expensive, because that kind of housing is also left to the 'market'. Everything important for people to live has been changed to a 'market' for rich people to became even richer. My first rental home was $320 per month, when it was still owned by a social housing foundation. Not even 20 years later, those same houses, which are now even a little bit more dilapidated, are costing at least $600 per month now. That's because my right-wing government turned the the social housing foundations into partly privatized housing corporations, who need to make lots of profits, to pay the higher taxes that my right-wing government introduced.

We had one minister of housing, called Stef Blok, during the second term of our right-wing PM Mark Rutte, changing the housing responsibility of the government to a 'market'. He then claimed: 'The housing market is running like a charm'. Yes, for his rich friends, who are now making millions from investing in houses. Individuals who own and rent out houses almost pay no taxes, while the former social renting foundations are taxed through the nose. In 10 years the average rent increase was 35%. Because investors from all over the world are buying up houses, the price of houses for sale also shot up like a rocket.
We were smart to buy a house just before that, because we would never be able to afford one now anymore.

Your country has been controlled by right-wing policies for decades, mine hasn't. That's why I see their damage so clearly. I've seen a well organized government, providing good services to almost everyone, turned to shit in about 15 years by right-wing policies. That created 10 huge problems in my country:
1. Purchasing power / shrinking middle class (increased inequality)
2. Asylum crisis (cuts to the Immigration and Naturalization Service)
3. Energy crisis (due to privatization)
4. Nitrogen crisis (due to deregulation)
5. Housing crisis (due to privatization)
6. Healthcare costs getting out of control (privatization)
7. Climate causing increasing damages (not enough investments)
8. People receiving Child Benefits getting treated as fraudsters
9. Corona crisis managed poorly (ignorance)
10. Groningen natural gas extraction causing houses to collapse

We are still doing a lot better than the US, but left to right-winger, our country will be changed fairly quickly into something just as horrible as the US. We already have the second most expensive healthcare system in the world, after the US, because the Christian conservative government, before Rutte, privatized our healthcare system. It was promised to reduce costs and bureaucracy, but it did the exact opposite. All of the left predicted this, and they were 100% correct.
By phart at 17,Nov,23 12:18 other posts of phart 
if you can't afford to feed kids and raise them you should not be getting benefits, unless something happened like your house burns or your health declines suddenly not allowing you to work to support them.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 08:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"if you can't afford to feed kids and raise them you should not be getting benefits,"

People should not NEED benefits to feed kids and raise them.
The problem is that too many jobs don't support feeding and raising kids,
even when nothing happened like your house burns or your health declines suddenly.

That's why you need a minimum wage; so people make enough money from a fulltime job, so they can feed kids and raise them.

That's why you need public services, supporting people's basic needs, instead of leaving it up to the market, which is only interested in maximizing profits to enrich a few selfish people, making those services unaffordable for lots of working class people.

This is exactly what I describing, but you're talking about 'benefits'.
You're not giving a REASON for what you're saying, you're just saying it.

You're just saying to people; "You're on your own!"
"Can't make enough money to have kids? Sucks for you!"
That idea results in millions of people not making kids.
If you are OK with that, have it your way, but it's not MAGA.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 14:31 other posts of phart 
Why would you even consider having kids knowing full well you can't provide for them as they need?
Lack of common sense. You operate with the mindset of, "drop 10 and let the government feed them". Then they really are not YOUR kids anymore. When the government puts money into something,they also take control.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 16:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No man, anyone with a fulltime job should make enough money to be able to raise kids. Most couples are working at least one fulltime job. That should be enough to be able to raise kids. I just said that. How do you get from that, to the government feeding them, again?

It's crazy that the government should take care of people with a fulltime job. That's the system that you support, where wealthy people are allowed to exploit working people so much, that they are depending on the government. You still don't understand the socialism that I support. It will make people LESS dependent on the government, not more.

I don't want to pay taxes to subsidize companies who don't pay their employees enough. It's their job to pay their employees enough to live on and raise kids on. Companies who cannot do that deserve to go bankrupt. Then those employees can do more useful jobs. Any job that is useful should pay enough to live on and raise kids on.





By #681164 at 16,Nov,23 23:38
Affordable housing and giving a homeless person a place to stay is at opposite ends
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:02 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What do you mean with 'at opposite ends'?

If there is 'affordable housing' for everyone, there wouldn't be homeless people.
Right?
By #681164 at 20,Nov,23 14:06
Perhaps semantics inadvertently showed up in this chat. I believe you meant "affordable housing" as a unit that has, at least, a bedroom/living area, a bathroom, and a cooking area. If so, I agree with you.
I believe that "a place to stay" for homeless people is a communal area with bunk beds and a communal bathroom. The place would be a shelter from the weather and have a soup kitchen providing simple hot food.
In the US, affordable housing is subsidized (partial government funding) private development where the developer builds almost at cost plus a small profit. Then, the project is maintained by the local housing authority. The people that live there are long term tenants or renters.
Many homeless people, due to mantal health, addiction, or lack of education, don't stay in one place for long. The "place to stay" is just a shelter to catch their breath, so to speak.
In the case of affordable housing, those that are "housed" pay an affordable amount to maintain their unit. In the case of the homeless housing, the state and/or private donations maintain the housing unit. That's why I said they are opposites.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 14:34 other posts of phart 
Well here is 1 issue. IF the homeless are homeless because of drugs, why arn't they expected to clean themselves up before getting help?
Why aid and abet their bad habits?
Why is a person becoming a drug addict ,quitting their job, leaving their family suddenly become the governments problem ?When they make the decision to pump dope or alcohol into themselves and allow it to take control, they are making their own bed. The people, the taxpayers ,are NOT making their bed.so why should the tax payers have to keep them up?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 15:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not aiding and abetting their bad habits, it's aiding and abetting their recovery.

Your idea is that it's their fault, so they have to be punished for it. However, you're not just punishing them, you are punishing society. People make mistakes sometimes. If they did a crime, then there should be punishment attached to that, but you are not even talking about crimes, but mistakes that are hurting mostly themselves. No one in their right mind would do that, so the best way to correct them is correct their mind. You don't do that with punishment, you do that with education and correcting their mental stability. Punishment is only prolonging their incorrect state of mind. Meanwhile, they are causing damage to other people than themselves. They are a burden to society, instead of contributing to it. The most efficient method of fixing that is my way. Your way will keep them in addiction longer, force them into crime, force them into prison, causing them in a downward spiral. Every step in that process funds drugs trade, destroys what remains of their brain, eliminates what morality and hope they have left and makes the rest of us less safe.
The tax payers should want to pay for their recovery, because it provides
a great RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

Another reason; someday it might be you. Even if you are part of the 1% club, there is always a possible route to the bottom. Bad luck is always around the corner and people make mistakes. Of course, in your country, the richest people are almost impervious to bad luck and mostly unaccountable for their mistakes, but most people are just a medical emergency away from bankruptcy. You have been told a lie, a million times, that all those people in trouble have caused it themselves. You know it's not true for you, but you keep believing it for everyone else and keep basing your ideology on that false belief.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 18:12 other posts of phart 
I am 56 years old and no one has taken any action to f0rce me to take a drink ,or to take a pill or shot in the arm of illegal substances.
I have had doctors prescribe everything up to fentanyl for my pain that i had to stand down from after the 2d dose because it altered my thinking, mood and so forth to a point people were afraid of me.Oxy, what little of it I used, did deal with the pain but I was so demotivated that i had no desire to eat,or do anything but lay in a chair. A miserable exsistance.
So when you tell me that it is NOT the persons fault they are a drug addict, that is why i disagree. I had all the chances in the world of getting it legally and being 400 pounds and brainless. But I resisted. so can others. They willing allow themselves to take drugs, or a drink and once they realize it alters their well being ,if they continue, it is their fault. No one else's.
Now I can agree, they are a burden to society, but I have watched a former classmate,a genius by iq sadly, go thru rehab over 35 times and serve several prison sentences, only to have a calendar in his jail cell marking off the days until he could get some more crack. So rehab does not work for alot of people ,it is wasted faith in a broken system.
We agree on the basics but just not much on the solutions.
"Studies have found that of those who struggle with a addiction to meth and complete rehab, 61% will relapse within a year – that number rising to 74% three years post-treatment, and ending at 73% relapse rate five years post-treatment."

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Nov,23 11:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Good that you have responsibility in that way. I'm sure it saved your life.
Many other people in your situation would have gone down the tubes.
Respect!

Some of our addiction care has a 80% succes rate. That's 80% of their patients still being clean after 1 year.
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It's only in Dutch, but you can easily use Google Translate.
"Na een jaar is ruim 80% goed in herstel. Na drie jaar is zelfs bijna 90% goed in herstel."

But, it's not JUST people's own responsibility. It's ALSO the system.
Why else does your country have so much more addiction problems?
Why does America have the biggest fentanyl crisis in the world?
If it's JUST the people, then what is wrong with Americans?

What is the difference between Americans and Dutch people, who you think are weak liberals, who expect the government to help them in every situation? Why did the US have 70,601 fentanyl overdose deaths in the same year that The Netherlands had 150? That's 470 times more, while you only have 19 times more people. That's 25 times more per capita.
That cannot be JUST the people. Do you agree?




By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 15:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, with 'affordable housing' I would be referring to a unit that has, at least, a bedroom/living area, a bathroom, and a cooking area, for one person. There should be affordable housing for families that need it too, providing more than that. I would say that 'affordable housing' should be provided to everyone that is not able to afford normal housing, even if they are not working. I think it's the minimum that everyone should have, because humanity has progressed to a level that we are able to provide that to everyone. The only reason for why we don't do that is that a few selfish wealthy people are taking most of the resources from the rest of the people.

The best way for people to get out of a circle of homelessness, is to provide 'affordable housing', and help them fix the mental health, addiction, or lack of education, that is limiting them to take care of themselves. There have been many experiments attempting to take people out of homelessness and making them self-sufficient again. Giving them money can be successful, but most of the time they are not able to make the right decisions yet. Providing 'affordable housing' is the most effective. It alleviates enormous stress, and provides a safe space to recover. Just sending addicts to rehab and returning them to the streets or homeless shelter is almost a guarantee to failure. The succes rate is even higher if you just provide the 'affordable housing' and let them try to rehabilitate themselves.

I would call it 'affordable housing' even when the person has no income at all and the government is fully paying for it. The goal is to come to a situation where the person can afford it themselves. We should not kick them out of their home, as soon as they get a job. They should be allowed to stay there as long as they want, until they can and want to afford something better.

I'm against private donations. People who have lots of money should be taxed high enough so the government is able to provide these basic services to everyone who needs them. In the end, this will benefit them too, because it allows everyone to contribute to society to their maximum potential. Homelessness, addiction and lack of education are very damaging to society. The damage is higher than the cost of preventing those limits to people's potential.
By #681164 at 24,Nov,23 21:33
The biggest reason against affordable housing or shelters is because people of all income levels don't like to have them in their neighborhoods. The second reason is "I don't want my tax dollars to go for support of these worthless scum.". In other words, selfishness and bigotry. That's my country's failure. Many of us try to change the system but there are too many Phart types with their mindsets. They refuse to acknowledge that homelessness and unaffordable housing begets bigger problems for society.
By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:41 other posts of phart 
A helping hand to someone who is down on their luck is 1 thing, but there are 3rd generations welfare folks all over this country. No one in the damn family has ever worked, that is the "worthless scum" we refer to.
Not a family who's house burned down or the factory got sent to china by no fault of their own.
Another thing, Citys and towns and county's zoned away affordable housing a long time ago.
There was affordable housing shortly after ww2 and it was available on up into the 90's.
It was called mobile homes. Conner ,Oakwood for example. There were several factory's that employed 100's of people that had to shut down around here because the city's and county's wanted more expensive homes to be built, more tax money.
they didn't have to be in "parks". When my uncle came home from vietnam he bought a brand new mobile home,put it up beside my grandparents house for a few years. When he got a good job and things were going well for hum, he bought about 20 acres 2 miles down the road. 1 sunday morning they hooked the trailer up to the 3000 ford tractor and pulled it down there to his own land,and later, added to it, and now it is a brick house with that little trailer somewhere in the middle of it. He paid for it all in a few short years on a foundry salary. It could be done then and it could be done now, if government would get the fuck out of the way and let people work and pay for the house they can afford.
By #681164 at 27,Nov,23 01:35
Phart, "but there are 3rd generations welfare folks all over this country. No one in the damn family has ever worked, that is the "worthless scum" we refer to."
First, it's a fact of society that if one generation is piss poor, the following generations will be too. Second, you are wrong when you believe that welfare is a panacea. The amount of help in dollars and cents is not enough to maintain a family in the luxury you believe they have.
I believe your relative did what you say he did. What does that prove? You said it yourself, he smooched of his grandparents for several years. I remember well the Vietnam Vets coming home. At the time, the GI bill was still in effect. My brother got a house with nothing down. So what?
Your examples mean nothing unless you can make it the rule, but, even then, why are you suggesting that recipients of government help are ALWAYS deadbeats? That, sir, is a conservative view that's been debunked years ago.
By phart at 27,Nov,23 04:31 other posts of phart 
-I have yet to see it debunked.
By #681164 at 27,Nov,23 23:00
Then you should be able to provide statistics. Show me.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 04:58 other posts of phart 
You should be able to support it with facts as well.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 28,Nov,23 14:54 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok, Phart, just Google it. Woody58 has it right.
In the case of welfare that is provided to the citizens, considering the high levels of poverty in the United States, and considering the amount of oversight to those programs that try to provide a modicum of relief to our growing population living in poverty, the answer is that very few of them are actually “deadbeats”

Now, if you consider the amount of Corporate Welfare that is handed out indiscriminately to the corporations who plunder our economy without restraint, and if you realize that this amount of handouts are many times over what poor people are allowed, and if you object to handing out welfare to people and corporations who are already wealthy, you will understand that all corporate welfare recipients are deadbeats.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 15:10 other posts of phart 
If corporate goes down,so do all the employees and their 401 k's and etc.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 28,Nov,23 15:21 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
If your company closes, the money in your 401(k) doesn't disappear. The money will remain in your employer's plan unless the plan itself is terminated. In this case, the money in your account will roll over to another account on your behalf or get distributed directly to you.

By #681164 at 28,Nov,23 15:26
That would be bad for the employees but that's business. New businesses open up all the time and the same with closings.



By #681164 at 28,Nov,23 15:08
What CAT Said.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 15:22 other posts of phart 
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1 thing i never realized, welfare encourages broken or never formed familys because the benefits are higher for single people.That means kids growing up without dad so the mom can get more money
this is a scary amount of money,
"The financial cost of the War on Poverty has been enormous. Between 1965 and 2016, total means-tested welfare spending by federal and state governments cost taxpayers roughly $27.8 trillion in constant FY 2016 dollars. By contrast, the cost to the U.S. government for all military wars from the American Revolution to the present is $8 trillion in FY 2016 dollars."

And here is my pet peeve that is part of what is said early in the article ,"Self-defeating behaviors that increase the need for assistance are rarely even mentioned. "
If a dope head wants welfare ,or a alky ,they need to be forced to STOP that behavior before more than just life sustaining help is given.

Just to quote the summary for those with ADD,
"The true cost of welfare or aid to the poor is largely unknown because the spending is fragmented into myriad programs. Current welfare is focused largely on increasing benefits and enrollments and redistributing income. Self-defeating behaviors that increase the need for assistance are rarely even mentioned. Policymakers should replace welfare’s current focus with a new set of interlinked goals: reducing self-defeating and self-limiting behaviors, increasing self-support, and improving true human well-being. Welfare reform should (1) require all able-bodied adult recipients to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving aid, (2) remove the substantial penalties against marriage within the welfare system, and (3) fund programs aimed at improving behavior on a payment-for-outcome basis rather than today’s fee-for-service basis. "
By #681164 at 28,Nov,23 15:42
I agree with you. The dopeheads need help to get of off drugs. It's been tried and it's still being tried. If not successful, what do you suggest? Let them die?
By phart at 29,Nov,23 04:28 other posts of phart 
Put them away, out of harms way and out of society's way and let them croak, or get down to 0 and finally ask for real help.
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By #681164 at 29,Nov,23 16:07
First, that city is Vancouver, Canada. Second, Vancouver is a very successful city. That video doesn’t prove much. Legal or illegal drugs are available to any druggie in any country in the world.

Vancouver is one of the most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities in Canada: 49.3 percent of its residents are not native English speakers, 47.8 percent are native speakers of neither English nor French, and 54.5 percent of residents belong to visible minority groups.[7][8] It has been consistently ranked one of the most livable cities in Canada and in the world.[9][10][11] In terms of housing affordability, Vancouver is also one of the most expensive cities in Canada and in the world.[12] Vancouver plans to become the greenest city in the world. Vancouverism is the city's urban planning design philosophy.

Phart, what you propose is too costly any way you look at it and letting them die is inhumane, not to mention the costs of the repercussions.



By tecsan at 29,Nov,23 04:56 other posts of tecsan 
You do have a point with free money. I know that it makes people lazy and incentivizes them not to work. Hell, why work when the government will give you more not to work. Kind of hard to return to work if you are going to make less than what the government gives out for free.
By #681164 at 29,Nov,23 16:36
Tecsan, your point of view and Phart’s is true to some extent, but, it’s not the whole story.
Suppose you are in that situation where you are on welfare because you get more than if you went to work, why is that? Could it be that minimum wages are far below what a bottom of the barrel job should be?
The poverty threshold in the US is $15K/yr for an individual and $20K/yr for a family of two. Working at a hamburger joint, getting $10/hr for 32 hrs/week is $16640/yr LESS taxes and other deductions. A 32hr work week is standard in the industry. This allows the employer to qualify you as part time employee and not have to pay for extra benefits like OT or insurance.
In Florida, you can get up to $3,636 per year, based on the state's maximum benefit of $303 per month. The average benefit amount for Florida's SNAP program stands at $180. With approximately 2.85 million beneficiaries, which accounts for around 13% of the state's population, SNAP plays a crucial role in helping individuals and families afford groceries.Aug 7, 2023
So, in Florida, you can get $483/month on average plus extra SNAP benefits for extra people in the family.
That’s not very much of an incentive to NOT go to work, however, some people make do. Most people would like to make more. The answer, as I see it, is to make it more favorable to go to work. Fifteen dollars per hour minimum wage would be a minimum. And, yes, Phart, a burger would cost you more.
c'est la vie
By phart at 29,Nov,23 19:46 other posts of phart 
Burger would cost more,prompting people to be able to spend less on food.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Nov,23 20:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
So? Cook at home.
By phart at 30,Nov,23 03:27 other posts of phart 
You aint ate my cooking!
By #681164 at 30,Nov,23 16:03
You tell her, Phart


By phart at 30,Nov,23 23:36 other posts of phart 
At least you can see my cooking!
Chilli beans!
12 hours in the crock pot.
All kinds of goodies in it,good to! if I ate like this all the time,i would be really PHAT phart
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Dec,23 01:17 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I cook it like that too.
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 02:58 other posts of tecsan 
He may have a point there with his cooking. But as I think most of you know, beans have no place in my chili.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 03:55 other posts of phart 
well that is why I call them chili beans,
just chili? odd
And this particular batch was made from kidney beans on sale at walmart, maters from the garden I froze during the summer for spaghetti sauce, onions, bell peppers from the garden ,salt, black pepper, ground cayenne pepper, and mild sausage made from some of the wild hogs shot in my neighbors back yard a few years ago. the sausage from the 1's shot in my back yard has been gone,I had it made HOT.
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 06:52 other posts of tecsan 
Guess I am an odd Texan. I call it chili. No beans in TX chili. But, it might be good. Never tried it here. Now maters , onions from my garden would be great. Too lazy to plant one though, damn weeds is all I can grow.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Dec,23 16:25 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I make my own sauce using crushed tomatoes, plus tomato sauce and tomato paste. I also use the fillings from uncured Argentine pork sausage. I get those from Wild Forks Food. I go easy on the cayenne. We don’t like it super hot.
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You mean Chickpea on your chilli? 🤣🤣😈

























By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:49 other posts of phart 
And that 1% ,aint cleaning their own room, they have EMPLOYEES to do that that in turn take their wages and buy homes, cars and groceries.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 15:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Better read again what I said there. I didn't say the 1% aint cleaning their own room.
I said; cleaning their room, for them means getting rid of poor people, like you.
They don't want to do it by giving you money, but by killing you in the most efficient way allowed. Not giving you access to medicine that you need is very effective. Or they get rid of people by locking them up. That's why the made weed illegal; to lock up young black men.
By tecsan at 20,Nov,23 08:52 other posts of tecsan 
Do I detect a racist remark there?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm referring to a racist policy. It is 100% proven that your government outlawed weed, with the intention to lock up young black men. You're right, that was racism, talking about it is not, unless you support that racism.


By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:43 other posts of phart 
That is a false claim about 'weed".
Just some revisionist history.
Weed was and should be illegal because it is a entry level drug that has ruined 1000's of lives just as alcohol has.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 09:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are destroying your own argument; ALCOHOL IS LEGAL!
Do we throw people who sell alcohol in prison?

You do know how awful the Prohibition turned out, right?
"It led many drinkers to switch to opium, marijuana, patent medicines, cocaine, and other dangerous substances that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Prohibition."
The Prohibition turned alcohol into a gateway drug. (And it created the Mafia)
But it didn't reduce any of the problems associated with alcoholism.

There is no evidence at all that weed is an 'entry level drug', actually legal weed can prevent people using more dangerous drugs. Fentanyl is mostly used by people who are in pain. Their pain can be treated much safer with weed.

If weed ever was an 'entry level drug', than that was BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL.
Legalization might have increased the use a bit, but it reduces harm a lot.
People are no longer put in prison for carrying or smoking a bit of weed.
They can be active members of society, instead of a burden, by being in prison.

The same damage has been caused by other drugs being illegal.
It has saved NO LIVES, the US has the most addicted people in the world,
the most drug overdose deaths and the most people in prison.
Your ideas are clearly, objectively wrong.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 19:06 other posts of phart 
well the thing you are missing is, the drug problem would be about over as nature would have cleansed it's self of the scum that use drugs and liquir.

By tecsan at 02,Dec,23 06:22 other posts of tecsan 
Yes the US has a lot of addicted people thanks to other countries and joey (you know shitty britches) open border policy. I do not really know about marijuan though, if it were the same as when I were younger then maybe ok. But these new strains are really fucking people up more. Yes, we know how prohibition turned out. How is your EV models going to turn out there. Wait til China wants your Country. Please do not ask for help from us. Your Country fell for climate shit, more than joey (shitty britches).




By tecsan at 18,Nov,23 07:29 other posts of tecsan 
I think many spend more on their cars than their houses.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 02:42 other posts of phart 
Yea, sadly the way the economy is, a new truck cost substantially more than it cost to build most houses not long ago
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:19 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
People who need a truck to do their job, but that job doesn't pay much,
then they are bound to pay more for their car, than for their house.

There are lots of delivery drivers in my country that are forced to lease a van for their jobs. That is very expensive, but they get payed a very low amount per delivery. If they get a difficult route, they often make just enough to pay for the van. They are very lucky, or working like a machine, if they make more money to spend on a house than on their van.

If you don't need a truck to do your job, you don't need a truck and definitely not a new one. Then your first priority is housing. You only need a few thousand dollars for a dependable, fuel economical commuter. Buying a new truck for that, is a waste of money.
By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:45 other posts of phart 
20 years ago ,a affordable used car for 3000 dollars, was a reality. But not any more. Cars have so much electronics on them that a 10 year old car needing just a ecm is considered not worth repairing .Alot of people are buying trucks now that don't technically need them because the cars are so damn small and ride rough and are cramped and have NO resale value to speak of.Your roads over there in the nether regions,you might go 40 miles 1 way for a long trip,a trip here is 300 miles. who wants to ride in a roller skate for 300 miles?
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 08:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Twenty years of inflation turned that $3000 into $5091.
About 23 years ago, I bought a $3000 car that lasted me 7 years.
The first MOT uncovered a structural problem that costed $1000 to fix, but yearly maintenance after that was acceptable, because I used a non-brand garage.
I'm actually paying more on maintenance now, with a newer car, because with a newer car it's advised to keep it in good shape at the brand garage.
I pay at least $500/year in maintenance, tires not included. I need a new set soon, which will cost at least $750.

With a car that is well past a decade old, with over 100,000 miles on it, you start doing the minimum and just drive until it falls apart. My last Toyota, I bought at 4 years old, with 35000 miles on it, for $11,000. The first 5 years, I kept it up well, paying up to $500 per year in maintenance. The last 5 years was very cheap, but it required me to accept some noises and oil consumption. At age 17, almost everything broke down simultaneously, so I bought a new car and still got back $500 for the old banger. It was going to Africa for its second life.

In conclusion, it's the cheapest to buy a car for $5000, which is then like a 10 year old Toyota Aygo with 40,000 miles on it. It will last you at least 10 years, if you take moderate care of it and like 7 years if you only spend money on oil changes and tires, at a non-brand garage.
That same $3000 car from 20 years ago is therefore absolutely possible.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 09:05 other posts of tecsan 
Wish I could find a car I would actually drive for $5,000. Guess I should be more like you and look for something like
a Toyota which you could not give me. I will stick with GMC. Hope it guzzles the 'gas' and pollutes the hell out of your little world. The chinese pollute more than I ever thought about doing.

I see you like sending your old crap to other countries.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 09:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's you who's wasting money, if you buy a GMC.
American cars are low quality. The only part that lasts long is the engine,
because they are big lumps of iron, everything else breaks every odd year.
Japanese cars are built with parts that last.

All the old Toyota's go to Africa. That's not my choice, that's supply and demand. Labor is cheap there, so they will do a complete engine overhaul and give it another lease of life. That car didn't have a spec of rust on it and the interior was still very tidy. It was just not economically feasible for me, to get a refurbished engine, alternator, water pump, interior fan, window wiper motor and some other parts. But, they can do that cheaply in Africa, providing some African family with a car that can drive almost for ever, if they keep fixing it.

It's your little world too dumb-ass. The US will get into trouble much earlier
than my country, because we think ahead and the US is incapable of that.
Also, I live further from the equator than all of the US. You will probably starve, die from heatstroke or in a wildfire or in a hurricane or a flood or in some riot over food and water, many years before me.

China is emitting half the CO2 per capita of the US
and they are further in the energy transition than the US.

China is polluting a lot, but then they are making everything for everyone else in the world. That's not their pollution, that's your pollution too and mine. If we want them to pollute less, we should just have some demands on how they make all those things for us. But, that's thinking (ahead), something you are incapable of doing.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 09:38 other posts of tecsan 
Cut out this crap. My GM is 20 yrs old and only had oil change and tires changed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 09:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are 100% sure not driving around with all of the same parts that the car came out of the factory with, excluding filters. That would be a 1 in a million outlier of American cars.

"Only 1 American Car Brand Is on Most Reliable Top 10 List": Lincoln.
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But that's a very expensive brand. Almost all Japanese, German and Korean cars are better value for money.

I am talking about economical optimization here. Any GMC is more expensive when you buy it and guzzles gas like a motherfucker. Unless you have a big family or another need for a big car, it's just burning money, that could have been spent on nicer things. But, maybe you feel some need to compensate for something, with a big car. I do not.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 10:06 other posts of tecsan 
Excluding filters, battery and tires. Hell yes I am sure.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 10:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't believe that is true. Maybe you believe it, but I don't.

Even that Toyota I had, required some new parts, in its 17 year life.
It wasn't a lot; as far as I can remember, some axel rubbers and an ignition coil, in 17 years. All the parts that were getting old were still working, but to pass its MOT would have been expensive. And I was not going to do that, with all those aging parts making the future maintenance even more expensive. I had a very cheap last 5 years and then I bought another medium sized 4 year old, low mileage, fuel economical Japanese car for about $13,500, which is cheap on fuel, road tax and insurance.
I pay $40 for all risk insurance, which I needed a few years back, when I got into a pileup on the highway. It saved me about $1500 for the damage on the front. Still pretty low speed collisions, no airbags were triggered.
If that happens, it gets very expensive.

My car is mostly standing in my parking space, because I'm working from home for 90%. I use it more often for shopping and visiting friends and family. It has all the accessories that I wanted; climate control, cruise control, satnav, digital radio, parking aids and cameras all around and it seats 4 people comfortably, it has a trunk big enough for lots of shopping and our holidays and when I put the back seats down, it can take a big IKEA flatpack, it can easily do 110 mph, when I drive through Germany.

Why would I pay more for a faster or bigger car?
By phart at 27,Nov,23 12:18 other posts of phart 
The little scooter cars like that are ok for folks that do very little but move themselves and some grocery bags.
Not practical for most Americans.
Half the time I am on the hwy going over 10 miles from home, I am towing a trailer ,sometimes over 3000 pounds cargo, not possible with a Camery.
Your system works for you,that's great, but it is like a pair of shoes,1 size does not fit all.
I still can't believe you got only 17 years from a toyota? My God what are you using for oil?
hondas and toyotas here last until people just decide to trade ,not because they are bad.
When you say it was not feasible to rebuild the engine,and bought a newer car,you just spent way more money than a new engine. I can't see that being a wise move if you only got 500 bucks for the car that was clean ,and straight, sounds as though it had plenty of life in it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 22:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't have a 'little scooter car'. It's an average size car, for my country.
I know most Americans are huge, but I'm no small guy either and I fit comfortably.

True, my car cannot pull 3000 pounds of cargo. I have only needed that once in 3 decades. I'm not going to buy a big truck and pay for its gas consumption, for that one time that can easily be solved by renting a big van. I don't believe that all those Americans who drive huge cars have to pull 3000 pounds of cargo every other week.

When I had my Toyota, I still drove to work every day. It had 140,000 miles on it. It was still possible to fix it up, but just very expensive. I do think car-parts are way more expensive in The Netherlands. You don't compare the costs of the repairs with a new car, you compare them with the extended life of the old car. Even in mint condition that 17 year old Toyota would have had a value of at maximum $2000, way less than what the repairs were going to cost. Just the intake manifold alone, which was a very rare part, would have costed $1000. The lowest price was $750, in Russia, with no guarantees. A refurbished 1.4 16V VVTI was at least about $1200. Adding the other parts and the labor, would add up to at least $4000, to get several more years out of it. That would have made the car more expensive than its history. I bought it for $12,000 and drove it for 12 years, that's $1000 per year. If a car becomes more much expensive than that, I replace it for one that lowers my spending again or delivers me more comfort for my money. I could spend a lot less, by buying 10 year old cars and driving them till they break, but I want a car to be reliable and I do allow myself some comfort. I wanted cruise control for years, now I have it and use it a lot.

Maybe most of those Americans are forced to keep repairing an old car, because they cannot afford the big investment of replacing it, but at some point it's cheaper to replace than to repair. I have enough money saved, to buy a new car tomorrow, if I need. I just don't do it for the fun of it, but when it is financially optimal. I hope to get at least another 7 years out of my current car.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 05:24 other posts of phart 
140,000 miles on a toyota and you sold it for 500 bucks?
Damn, any decent toyota if the timing belt is replaced and it is serviced regular should give 250,000 -300,000 miles and still be fit to pass along to the kid headed to college.
As for what you said to tescan about his gmc not being on the road for 20 years with the same parts, ha, i am sorry,but the car I drove to work for 12.5 years, still has it's original engine, 340,000 miles or so, don't 100% know because I drove it 2 years with a broken speedo cable, so it is probably higher than that.
I kept it serviced, brakes, tires, same thing a 4 year old car would need.
A well built durable car or a cheap0 car, there is part of the issue.
A gmc, has to be a suv or pickup,they don't sell car's under that name plate. Most have a chassis,which means more durable than a unibody car.Heavyer brakes, so less stress on them,longer wear,and etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Nov,23 12:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, I traded it in for 500 bucks. I might have gotten more for it, if I had sold it myself, but that takes time and is a nuisance. I needed to get rid of it quickly, because it's illegal to keep a car with a failed MOT on the road.

The engine itself was still mostly OK, but it required at least new piston rings and a new timing chain (not a timing belt). Both requires taking apart the whole engine. With labor and parts, that's over $800. It's then better to just put in a completely refurbished engine. However, all those other parts were then not going to last the new lease of life of the car. Bills will just keep adding up. It's possible to do that, but then I was still driving an old car, for the annual costs of a new one. My garage informed me several years before that all those parts were getting old and were going to require replacement in the next 5 years. That would add up to many thousands of dollars, which is absolutely more than the value of the car. So, I decided to drive it until it failed the MOT and the costs to repair would be too high. I drove another 3 years, with only basic service and then the last MOT would add up to at least $800.
If I remember correctly, that was just for new tires or brakes, not even the aging parts. That was not worth it, because the rattling intake manifold was bugging me and it was using a lot of oil. The $800 would not have fixed that or any of the other parts, just the MOT failures.

I'm sure that car could have reached 300,000 miles, and it is probably doing that somewhere in Africa, but that's not a financially smart thing to do in The Netherlands, where parts and labor are very expensive.

I also took the gas consumption into account. My Toyota did 31 MPG on average, my current car did about 47 MPG for the same use.
Pre-covid, that was a difference of at least $900 per year.

The cheapest GMC (C1500) that I can find on Autotrack.nl costs $13,121. It's from 1996 and has 180,000 miles on it.
Or, I could buy a Toyota Yaris from 2019, with 38,570 miles on it.
Are you telling me that the GMC would be cheaper, on service?

Lets calculate what I would pay for fuel, in The Netherlands:
At least it uses LPG, so that saves some money, but it would do about 7 to 8 MPG. With my pre-covid yearly driving, that would have costed me $4,600 per year, at least $1,800 per year more than with my Toyota. That's the cost of a new Toyota engine every year.
By phart at 29,Nov,23 19:50 other posts of phart 
140,000 miles and the rings were shot in the engine? Annas, I am not being a smart ass here but literally I am in shock to read that a TOYOTA didn't last any longer than that. WOW
Not being a smart ass here,please find out what oil your mechanic is putting in your car! If it is that recycled shit,it is ruining your engine! You need to be running a better quality oil apparently 140,000 on a Toyota engine,is chump change.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 10:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"In general, piston rings should be replaced every 100,000 to 150,000 miles."

The intake manifold of a Toyota is not just a lump of metal, it has moving parts. It was designed to last the life of the car, but it was obvious that mine wasn't lasting. It sounded awful.
The annoying thing is that those intake manifolds are now dirt cheap, because most of those Toyota's have ended their lifetime and shelves are filled with good second hand parts, for the few remaining cars of its type that are still driving around. When I needed that part, it was very expensive and rare. The other parts had also exceeded their expected lifespan; the alternator (expected lifespan: 80,000 to 150,000 miles), the water pump (expected lifespan: 60,000 to 90,000 miles). Other parts were starting to make noises that they were close to the end of their life, like the interior fan (dependent on use), or the wiper motors (dependent on use).

You have a point with the oil changes. For several years, I brought my car to the Toyota dealership in the city I lived then, for MOT and service, at least that's what I expected. Every year, they told me that everything was fine again and billed me a significant amount of money. Then after several years they said: "Isn't it time that you do an oil change? It looks like tar!". I asked them: "What? Didn't you do that then?". And they told me that I hadn't asked for it. Turned out that they considered that not part of the yearly service. The bill was just saying "MOT and service", with a significant price behind it, so I expected that as included. I was very angry with them. I told them that I bought a Toyota and came to a Toyota dealership to not have to think about these things and that I expected them to discuss important things like "Do you want the oil changed?". I never returned to that Dealership again and used the one where I bought it. They were much more communicative.

What oil you are using doesn't affect the wear of the intake manifold, the alternator, the water pump, the interior fan, or the wiper motors.

The car was still pretty young when it had tar for oil, but it must have done some damage. That distribution chain was making noise after that, but it went away after a few months of driving with fresh oil. It would have been probably still OK for a while, when I traded in the Toyota, but I wasn't going to assume that, when I had the choice to start spending many hundreds of dollars, to extent the car's life.

When almost every part in the car has exceeded its expected lifespan, you make a financial decision between the value of the car and (expected) repair costs. I decided it was 'economically totaled'.






By tecsan at 28,Nov,23 05:34 other posts of tecsan 
Sorry, you only believe in your woke BS anyway. But is true. GM does make good durable vehicles. I hope you do not believe it truthfully, go buy another little toyota.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Nov,23 12:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How much money per year are you spending on fuel?
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 09:40 other posts of tecsan 
A lot more than you and proud of it. Be glad to comply with your climate BS when you get China and India onboard.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 10:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Proudly spending lots of his money to fuck the climate!
Why don't you by some mercury and cyanide, to throw in the river,
that is used for your drinking water? That's the same thing, dumb-ass.
China is polluting a lot of water, so why don't you?

How do we get China and India onboard? By implementing regulation against buying shit from them, that is made by polluting factories and with energy from fossil fuels. The US is in the way.







By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Dec,23 01:26 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I gave my 2004 Tahoe to my son-in-law 5 yrs ago. He uses it to give road service to his customers (he has a high end auto shop like Ferraris). The truck has 240K and still runs strong. At the time I paid $28K. It looks good too. He tells me he’s had to replace 2 batteries, one water pump and some type of clutch in the fan. Tires and oil and filter too.
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The Nissan Rouge I bought new in 2015 to replace the Tahoe has 154K miles and the tranny is shot. The car is good for city driving only. The engine is still strong and will probably last another 100K but replacing the tranny, even if my son-in-law does the work, would be over $3500. Not worth it. The day it gives up the ghost I’ll pull the tag and call a junker to pick it up.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 04:17 other posts of phart 
Wow, 8 years old and already a bad transmission?
I would not have expected that from a nissan.
3500 is still cheaper than a new car,
That is what people seem to miss, why make payments on something when you can repair it and be debt free longer?
I had a scooter car for a while. a inherited 2001 ford focus wagon. high mileage, good air, good radio, I had it a year and a half, I used it some ,it was a wagon so it had some space but couldn't tow, couldn't haul much. when it dropped a valve seat, I sold it for 500 bucks to a young fellow for him and his sons to fix for a family car. Sadly, it didn't work out as the replacement head failed and destroyed the engine.
When it was all said and done, I drove the car for free except gas, as I had spent 500 on tag,title,2 tires and a shifter cable, and insurance for that length of thime.
I priced a engine at pulla part for 450, should a went that route but it was just not worth the cost of tag ,insurance, and upkeep for a few more miles to the gallon.
Insurance on my truck is about 325 a year, tax and tags about 75-80,would have to check the paperwork.Sure it gets about 15 to the gallon, but the gas is no more costly than another cars up keep just to save gas.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 11:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you do the math correctly, it doesn't agree with you.
The right new car is cheaper than continuing to repair an old one.

But, you are saying one thing; "why make payments on something when you can repair it and be debt free longer?". That doesn't apply to me.
The only time that I borrowed money for a car, was for that Toyota.
I was just short a few thousand on my savings account. I didn't want to sell any stocks for it, at that point, so I borrowed that money from my parents and paid them back in a few months. I never have to do that again. I have more than enough in my savings account for what I usually spend on a car and only 'play the stock-market' with money I don't need. I made at least $6000 pure net profit on the stock-market, not even including dividend and portfolio value increase. I do capitalism pretty well, because I know logic, math and science.

Before anyone start telling me what a hypocrite socialist I am, you don't understand it; I want EVERYONE who works to be able to make enough money to participate in the modern financial system, not just the few people who let other people work for them. Stocks are 100% compatible with socialism, they just should be created by public capital and part of the profits of the public investments should be distributed to working people on top of their salary. That would turn into a big part of their social security.
Maybe I should invent a new term than 'socialist', like 'Social Capitalist'.
I like it, that really describes my political ideas. Damn, the term already exists. There are even books about it.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Dec,23 16:43 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, we put approx. 25K miles/yr on our car. The Nissan, as a second car, is ok. We use it to haul everything from trash to building materials, but if we take it on the Turnpike, the tranny overheats in about half an hour of 70+ driving. It’s scary to suddenly not being able to do more than 45 MPH.
In the last 4 months we’ve been to Kentucky, 5 times to Key West, twice to Gainesville, and four times to Flagler Beach. We need a reliable car. Maintenance is a breeze. Jose, my son-in-law, takes care of anything the warranty doesn’t cover. BTW, we never buy a new, o miles, car. We look with for a vehicle with less than 30K. The depreciation as you drive a new vehicle out of the dealers lot is a ripoff. We’ve always been right side up on the value of our vehicles.

















By tecsan at 30,Nov,23 08:16 other posts of tecsan 
Carron Phillips ~ Damn race baiter.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 17:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eileen Cannon is wasting taxpayer money, by ordering the construction of a CIPA review facility in Fort Pierce Florida, where her chambers are located. Fort Pierce will probably never use that secure facility again. None of the judges, nor Trump have any business in Fort Pierce. Miami, where the chief judge of the district sits, has such a facility.
It makes absolutely no sense to have the CIPA review in Fort Pierce.

The only reason to order the construction of such a facility is to delay the case, in favor
of Donald Trump. No judged, while they are accused of being biased against Trump,
has done something so clearly biased. Cannon should be removed from the case.

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By phart at 27,Nov,23 19:04 other posts of phart 
I will admit,it is wasteful but when has our government done anything smart in the past 100 years that wasn't considered waste by someone.
The 1 detail you may not be considering though, security.Trump is highly supported and respected, and anything to do with him , is susceptible to problems with overlyfar right activist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 22:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Does the term 'the law is blind' say anything to you?

Just because you lot kiss his feet, is no reason to let him get away with countless crimes. He committed treason against democracy. You lot attacked the capital over allegation of election meddling, but now you think your side is untouchable to the law, for something 10 times worse? It doesn't work that way. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

The fact that you lot still support him is unacceptable. He should be held accountable, not just for his own actions, but also as an example to the Republican party who participated in this treason, and to you, who keep supporting him after that.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Nov,23 22:12 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Trump is “highly supported and respected”? By whom. A bunch of uneducated yahoos that blame all their life’s problems on THE LEFT? Grow up and start working with the rest of the people. Maybe, together we could find solutions to the problems we face.
Judge Cannon is a disgrace to other judges and the legal profession. My state is already loosing millions of dollars because of people like DeSantis and people like Trump, and this judge.
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The Clown walks into a stadium full of football fans and that makes him popular? Right! 💩💩💩👿


By tecsan at 28,Nov,23 05:16 other posts of tecsan 
Trump is supported by many as you can see by the polls. The left wants to be blaming everyone of they're failures on Trump. How long has he been out of office now? Almost 3 years. Face the facts, uncle joe is a failure.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 28,Nov,23 13:47 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I'll give you that the polls show the Clown polling ahead of Biden, but, let me point out two things. One: both are polling UNDER 50%. Two: other elected presidents polled behind the eventual loser at this stage of an election run.
If that’s your argument, remember that I said the same thing about the Clown at the 3 yr mark of his presidency and so did thousands too. So many that he lost in 2020.
We blame the divided Congress, a right leaning Supreme Court, and world events that we can’t control for many, if not most, of our problems. Admit it, your Repucker party can’t even agree on anything in their own Congressional caucus, let alone pass any worthwhile bills to ease the economic life of the working man. And what do you want to bring to the table? A candidate that the best that can be said about him is that he married a foreigner. A man that has 94 active indictments against him. A man that is accused of being a seditionist. A man that tried to negate the vote of millions of people in the 2020 election.
And what are we bringing in? Uncle Joe, not the best choice for a Democratic candidate, but one with experience and one that is trying hard to do good for the country and not for himself.
By tecsan at 29,Nov,23 03:13 other posts of tecsan 
Why the hell was Countries (or are) paying hunter and joey. Oh and your experience statement could apply if the the old fart did not have alzheimers. He can not find his way off of a stage much less out of a paper bag. Even democrats are wanting sleepy uncle joe to drop out. Hell his Christmas tree took a fall like he does many times. Hell I doubt he could debate an 8 year old. Sad to say and you know it by your statement above. Let us see little crack boy hunter can lie his way through a deposition. He has a good teacher on the art of lying, his father.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Nov,23 17:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Your first two sentences are your opinion. Where’s the “meat”? Many Dumbocrats want Old Joe to drop out. That’s a legitimate want, but, the choice is his. So far, Hunter is in hot water over taxes and illegal gun possession. I’m not going to go to Joey getting money from other governments. The Repukers in The House are salivating to impeach him. They want to even the score about the Clown, but that will go as far as my dog taking a dump in his compound. 😈








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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Nov,23 22:17 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Victor Orban from Hungary? Great. Do you know how many Hungarians it takes to screw in a light bulb?
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By tecsan at 26,Nov,23 05:52 other posts of tecsan 
I do get tired of my Country to be the only one that offers real support to those in need. I guess the the rest are just cheap socialist.
By phart at 26,Nov,23 13:57 other posts of phart 
If the US would stop trying to be the worlds Nanny ,and take care of it's self first ,it would be a much stronger nation.
just as the polish president warned the world recently to be carful of the drowning man ,he will pull you down with him.

"Ukraine is behaving like a drowning person clinging to anything available,” Duda told Polish journalists, the Financial Times reported. “A drowning person is extremely dangerous, capable of pulling you down to the depths … simply drown the rescuer.”Sep 20, 2023"
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 04:29 other posts of tecsan 
Yeah, I know I was a lifeguard in my younger yeras. But now we have two two countries wanting us to help fight they're wars. I know neither of them provoked it, but should'nt Europe help out more since it is in they're interst. Probably more than ours.
By phart at 27,Nov,23 04:43 other posts of phart 
I think the european countries are wiseing up and getting equiped to protect themselves.



By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 08:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who are you kidding, you don't even help your own citizens.

If you are talking about Ukraine, it's your own country who gave everyone in the world the choice to either be dependent on you or the big bad Russians. You are not supporting people in need, it's all in your own self-interest. The self-interests of the billionaires of course, not working class Americans.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 08:33 other posts of tecsan 
We try to help unlike your broken down little country.




By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 04:00 other posts of tecsan 
The holiday of Christmas is upon us, remember the reason for the celebration.

Oh, was Jesus a male or female wait til the libtard leftist stumble on to this. That is the ones that are not atheists.


By PITBULL at 19,Nov,23 22:14 other posts of PITBULL 
Come to my page for some fun; PITBULL
By tecsan at 20,Nov,23 06:29 other posts of tecsan 
Likewise come to my page, you are always welcome tecsanlol lolI do however see you are full of empty threats.

Oh, piss ass pitbull my page will not cost you five points like you are trying to lure me to your page, fucking prick.

You see there are some here that are morons like you, I should have listened to skittles. You really are the fucking pest of the site.

BTW fuck of DOUCHE BAG freddy. Remember you know how to find me.
By PITBULL at 20,Nov,23 11:22 other posts of PITBULL 
Are you still wearing panties?




By phart at 09,Nov,23 14:56 other posts of phart 
Heres a good 1 for Annas and leo!
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Now WHY was a man out on bail for MURDER in the first place? i could see speeding maybe but MURDER????
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 09,Nov,23 16:59 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ask the judge. The judge is the ONLY one that sets bail.
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Judge Angelica Chavis McIntyre, who granted Locklear bond on his murder charge released the following statement saying:
"Bonds are determined by many factors, including the evidence that is presented in court by the officers, witness cooperation, if a felony report has been provided to the District Attorney’s Office, and the particular facts of every case. I feel the public’s frustration and the Sheriff’s frustration at the crime problem in Robeson County. My judicial record shows that I have set some of the highest bonds ever set in Robeson County based on the evidence before me and consistent with the law."

So, what do you think about this case occuring in the red state of South Carolina and in the court of a concervative judge?
By phart at 09,Nov,23 17:13 other posts of phart 
Piss poor. A murderer should not be out, period.

By tecsan at 10,Nov,23 06:11 other posts of tecsan 
Was it the hippie nudie judge in NY that is presiding over Trump's case. Guess that answers all the questions.

You do know that if half what you are quoting by McIntyre is total BS. That SOB with a murder charge should not walk out. I have an idea, you house his sorry ass with you while he is out on NO BAIL.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Nov,23 11:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't think Trump would have been set free pre trail, because he's:
- Flight risk.
- It's a serious offense associated with at least 12 years detention.
- A high chance that the suspect will commit more crimes.
- A release could jeopardize the police investigation.

Trump is threatening witnesses, the prosecutor, the judge and everyone who speaks out against him. Even if he was released pre trial, his release would have been canceled as soon as he started doing those things.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Nov,23 13:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You are mixing arguments and assuming things that are not obvious. What part of the judge's statement is BS? I do agree. He should not have been released, but, the judge is a concervative.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Nov,23 13:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The judge has a very inpressive background.
Angelica Chavis McIntyre is 32 years old and a native of Pembroke who now lives in Lumberton with her husband, Stephen McIntyre, and their son, Hamilton. She was first elected as a district court judge in 2018 and was named the chief district court judge for Robeson County by the Chief Justice of the NC Supreme Court in 2021, becoming the first Native American Female Chief Judge in the state.

She serves on the Chief Justice of North Carolina’s Task Force to Address Adverse Child Experiences, Robeson County Domestic Violence Task Force, and the Juvenile Crime Prevention Council. She has received both the Fayetteville Observer 40 under 40 and Campbell Law’s 45 Leaders in Law awards. She serves as a board member for Southeastern Academy and routinely volunteers in schools to address issues children face and to help inspire productive life and career choices.


By tecsan at 14,Nov,23 05:11 other posts of tecsan 
What are your feelings about the hippie judge arthur engoron. What a fucking moron.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OMG, he's putting your cult-leader through a wringer, so he's a 'fucking moron'.
Are you ever able to say anything with some logic or reason to it, ever?

Trump's defense is: 'I didn't know, Donald Jr, is handling that!'.
Donald Jr.'s defense is: 'I didn't know, I have people for that!'.
YOUR signature is on those documents, YOU MORON!!
Donald Sr. is a moron for leaving his company to a moron.

And Eric Trump's defense is: 'I didn't know, I pour concrete!'.
No you don't, Trump's company hasn't built anything itself for many years,
their business model is slapping their name on projects built by other companies.
If Eric really thinks he's pouring concrete, he's the biggest moron of them all.
They probably had him playing with toy cement trucks at the office,
because that's about the level of 'business' he's capable of.

If you get caught doing persistent fraud, then you are a moron.
Judge Arthur Engoron is putting a couple of morons out of business.
That doesn't make him a 'moron', that makes him a 'badass'.



By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Nov,23 23:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In our justice system, pre trial detention is only allowed in cases like:
- Flight risk.
- It's a serious offense associated with at least 12 years detention.
- A high chance that the suspect will commit more crimes.
- A release could jeopardize the police investigation.
- To protect the suspect against the public.

It's up to the judge to decide if pre trial detention is necessary.
There is a possibility of setting limitations, like electronic supervision.
We don't have a bail system. That's not fair for poor people.
I don't think we are releasing any people who are suspected of murder.
You are forgetting that we only have about 130 murders per year.
There is enough capacity to keep them in prison until their trial.
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Did I find something you liked? Wow!


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Nov,23 21:03 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
In 2022, there were roughly 1.23 million violent crimes reported to the FBI in the United States.
Not enough cells.
By phart at 10,Nov,23 21:18 other posts of phart 
Well, let's see, who was it that was talking about "shovel ready" jobs? BUILD MORE CELLS! there's ye jobs!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Nov,23 23:08 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
And you believe that? Phart, you are naive.
By phart at 10,Nov,23 23:31 other posts of phart 
No just being realistic. Rehab doesn't work unless the person wants to be rehabilitated. Being nice to people only gets you crushed .More cells, less evil on the streets less danger for law abiding citizens. a win win. If people feel safe, would they feel the need for a gun near as much? Look at gun sales just in the past few weeks, jews are buying them fast as they can. because of the fear of evil that is out there, and people over look it or think it is under control with pills and therapy. No therapy fixes true HATRED of your fellow man. None.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:27 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The United States has a current recidivism rate of 70% within 5 years (U.S. Prison Population, 2019). This means that, within 5 years of their release, 70% of prisoners will have reoffended. In comparison, Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20% within 5 years.

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Summary: Due to the emphasis on rehabilitation during incarceration rather than
on punishment, Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world.

"How Norwegian prisons prepare inmates to become better neighbors"
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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's a really dumb economic idea. I agree with CAT; it's naive.
You already have the highest incarceration percentage in the world.
You're already spending $80 billion per year, on that fucked up system.

That's not 'creating jobs', that's a huge expense and taking out lots of young men from the labor force, often for life. That is hurting your economy.

How about solving the causes for crime, instead of trying to suppress it?






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By #621723 at 12,Nov,23 16:23
Can we not
By tecsan at 14,Nov,23 05:09 other posts of tecsan 
?

By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 12:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes We Can!
By phart at 14,Nov,23 14:59 other posts of phart 
NO we can't!
Because in this case, we don't even know what is being ask.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 17:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't know either, but I like to be positive. We can do (almost) anything we choose to.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:42 other posts of phart 
In a better world, being positive is a great idea,a great goal. BUT in the real world, just being honest may be the best thing right now.Some things just aint gonna work. Like whirled peas
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 16:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Honestly, in the real world, we can do (almost) anything we choose to.
They just tell you there is nothing they can do, when they don't want to.

The 100th mass school shooting? Thoughts and prayers, nothing more.
The government is about to shut down? Not our fault! It's the other guys.

They always ask "How will you pay for it?" for anything they don't want to do.
They never ask "How will you pay for it?" for everything they do want to do.

Improving healthcare? "How will you pay for it?"
Start a new endless war? "Of course we have those trillions of dollars!"
Invest in renewable energy? "How will you pay for it?"
Lower gas prices by cutting taxes? "Sure, people need their cars!"







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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Nov,23 13:45 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
American patriotism and nationalism, good concepts, two things to strive for. Who would argue with that? No one, and that’s the way it should be, but who is patriotic or holds our national ethos? That is where all these right wing and religious right spokespersons throw a stick at the spokes of the proverbial bike. To them, patriotism and nationalism, is defined as THEIR way of life and everyone else’s views and lifestyles are NOT.
That is not patriotic if you believe in our Law of the Land, our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of the English yoke. Remember those words? “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
This wannabe Clown, running for the Repucker nomination for President, is just acting like the Clown, choosing what part is acceptable to him as being patriotic or nationalistic. Not good.
By tecsan at 09,Nov,23 06:34 other posts of tecsan 
Do you believe in our laws or do you believe in no bail and prosecuting the victims as I have seen libtards do. Are you preaching to the libtards here, remember who won the civil war against slavery. Damn sure was not libtards. As for creator, show me a libtard that believes in a supreme creator, most are athesists.

But I do believe a clown is better than a bumbling fool that acts like mr magoo trying to get off the stage. Did you get the priviledge of of changinging mr magoos diaper tonight. Guess that explains your little rant.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 09,Nov,23 16:55 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I could be wrong, but, I don’t think I am. In Civics 101 and Perry Masson,🤣, JUDGES SET BAIL.
If that’s true, and you know it is, then explain this.

NEWS ANALYSIS: Why Judges Tilt to the Right
By Adam Liptak
Jan. 31, 2015

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WASHINGTON — LAWYERS on average are much more liberal than the general population,
a new study has found. But judges are more conservative than the average lawyer, to say nothing
of the graduates of top law schools.
What accounts for the gap? The answer, the study says, is that judicial selection processes
are affected by politics.
Judges are, of course, almost without exception lawyers. If judges reflected the pool from which they
were selected based on politically neutral grounds like technical skill and temperament, the bench
might be expected to tilt left. But something else is going on.

“Politics plays a really significant role in shaping our judicial system,” said Maya Sen, a political
scientist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government and one of the authors of the study. Since
judges tend to be more conservative than lawyers, she said, it stands to reason that the officials who
appoint judges and the voters who elect them are taking account of ideology. She said the phenomenon
amounted to a politicization of the courts, driven largely by conservatives’ swimming against the
political tide of the legal profession.


Now, you spouted a lot of conservative dogma concerning the judicial system and in particular, about
liberal judicial positions. Now I’m asking to give examples. Where, why, or how did a legitimate VICTIM
get prosecuted. More importantly, what was the outcome of the TRIAL? I won’t deny there have been
cases where a person got railroaded, but, it’s not the rule. And, the liberals aren’t always the one that push
the boundaries of the judicial system. Take the Honorable Judge, Aileen Cannon, that has done everything
possible to keep The Clown from getting a slice of justice.

Now, let me address that old argument about WHO WON THE CIVIL WAR AGAINST SLAVERY.
The Civil War was won by the Nationalist North when they defeated the seditious Confederacy. It doesn’t
matter what their political membership in a political party was. Patriotism is what happens at the time it’s
needed. If those same people, later in time, become a blotch on the National landscape, then it’s ok to try
to counteract their politics. As an example take Henri Philippe Benoni Omer Pйtain. He was a French
military officer and statesman who commanded the French Army in World War. A hero of France in WWI,
and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France, from 1940 to 1944, during World War II,
becoming a puppet of the German Nazi occupied France. A true traitor. That’s exactly what Trump is, a TRAITOR.
I don’t want a TRAITOR for President and I don’t want to be governed by people who support him or his type of
politics.
You can call it a rant. My President, Joe Biden, Old Joe, IS my President. I know age has whitened his temples
and his balance is that of a septuagenarian. So what? Does that mean he’s ready for the grave? His mind is
just as sharp as ever and his policies are spot on. What exactly did The Clown do besides running our national
debt into the stratosphere? From his other Repuckers at the debate last night, “our great grandchildren will suffer
for that”. Trump uses Depends too.
Tecsan, I’m Orthodox Catholic. I’m not that active in the church anymore. I question many things in my religion.
That doesn’t mean I don’t believe, nor does that mean left of center politically leaning people don’t believe. If you would
just open your eyes, you’d realize that the majority of the conservatives and the liberals are different by very little.
We all want life, liberty, the right to worship as we like and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the right to have
an abortion, and before you start squawking, more than 70% of the people from both sides of the political divide,
want abortion to be legal up to the 15th week.





By #681164 at 30,Oct,23 14:23
Auto workers strike is over as union and GM reach potential deal
The United Auto Workers strike is set to end after it agreed to terms of a new contract with the third member of Detroit's Big Three.

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Is this good or bad?
By phart at 30,Oct,23 18:21 other posts of phart 
Not good for the consumer .Increased cost of vehicles .As if it is not already about impossible to afford 1.
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Before i could finish specing a truck to closely match what i currently use, the cost was already over 55,000 dollars.
It went to see dealer for cost soon after that. Only 6 exterior colors?
Gee,let's see here what a NON union company offers.
only registered users can see external links, 53,000 and that was everything speced!
By #681164 at 30,Oct,23 21:08
Most likely. Now, two things will happen. Either everything will continue as before or the vehicle prices will jump up. If the later, they may price themselves out of the market. That’s the way it is.

By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Oct,23 22:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you never worry about the price of the product,
when management and the shareholders are taking too much?
Some products have a 95% profit margin. Isn't that bad for consumers?
By phart at 30,Oct,23 22:18 other posts of phart 
Who is worthy of the responsibility of deciding how much is to much?
Why in the world would you invest in and build up a company, NOT to make a profit??? what a waste of time.

time to build plants in non union states or over seas, and AUTOMATE.
By #681164 at 31,Oct,23 13:53
Right on. Export more jobs. It’s what every worker in this nation wants.
By phart at 31,Oct,23 14:32 other posts of phart 
It is not what they "want" , but it is what they are going to wind up with.
Sometimes a half full glass of water is better than dehydrating.
There was a reason the little story of the goose that laid the golden egg was told to kids at a young age.
It teaches that greed will not get you good results.
perhaps a cost of living raise should be put back in place. But the 32 hour week with 40 hour pay and a raise? To much,that is called GREED.


By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 15:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your answer always comes down to one thing; workers are entitled to nothing,
but the almighty employer/investor is entitled to everything.
Who is actually making the products?
Why are the people who are actually making it NOT to make a profit?

How about we create a system where workers don't need investors to profit from their labor? How about we invest as a community, and take the profits from our own work, as a community, instead of enriching a few useless ass-holes further and further?
By phart at 31,Oct,23 15:16 other posts of phart 
For whatever reason, you keep calling the people with the money that take the risk to invest as useless. without them, there are no jobs.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 20:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Because you are really overrating that risk.

I'm trying to explain to you an alternative where we do not need private rich people to invest in things. We can organize humanity to develop public capital and then we elect independent specialist representatives, who decide which investments benefit society the most and creates the most well-paying jobs.

I'm calling them useless, because we don't need some wealthy people who only care about becoming more wealthy, to decide what priorities humanity pursues.
I want to have that decided democratically, not dictatorially.
Those wealthy people answer to no one. That's not democratic.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 02:14 other posts of phart 
What you propose leaves little motivation to do more than just enough to get by.
In your system, innovation would be little if any.
No gain from it for the person that has a idea or method to improve something,you pretty much would be doing away with patents, tradmarks, protections for the inventor-innovator.
THus over time, taking away any motivation to become either.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Nov,23 11:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Nothing but dumb propaganda.

You want all the workers in America to get 'just enough to get by'.
Any time a worker fights for what more than that, you lambast them.
Their motivation is not getting rewarded in YOUR SYSTEM.
What I propose is democracy, which does reward people for doing well,
because that is what people want. Only the small minority, that you are part of, wants only the people on top getting all the rewards.

I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society. You want rich people being rewarded for using their money to just further enrich themselves, no matter the consequences to society.
My system improves society, your system just rewards selfishness.

You are leaving lots of smart people in mediocrity, because they don't have the money for a good education. Innovation requires education. We don't live in the time of Edison anymore. The light-bulb and phonograph have already been invented. Innovation requires actual hard science now. And your education system is so expensive that most people only can afford what's necessary to become head of the burger-flippers. That's making talent useless.
By tecsan at 02,Nov,23 04:54 other posts of tecsan 
You just want something for nothing except when it comes to you sharing with others that want something for nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,23 08:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I just explained what I wanted. Where do you read that I want something for nothing?

Why would I want to share with people who want something for nothing?
Or is that you referring to people who are unable to work
or are at an age that they should expect to can retire?
I want to share with people who NEED it.

And I want all people to share in democratically controlled public capital,
so we don't need to rely on wealthy people for investments anymore.
Then everyone benefits from those investments, not just the wealthy.

Your head is filled with straw-men. Why don't you actually read what I'm saying?
By tecsan at 03,Nov,23 05:32 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe you participate in capitalism, oh tired of hearing I have no choice. Sure you do, you choose to participate in capitalism because it works for you. I do read your bullshit, but most of it is just bullshit as stated. Your socialism shit will never work and you know it, but you are welcome to keep up with your pathetic endeavors. As for straw-men, think you may have a few straws too many surrounding your brain.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Nov,23 08:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Explain my alternative way to stay alive, without 'doing' capitalism then,
while I still participate in supporting (more) socialism.

Understand that it is impossible to do socialism by yourself,
if you don't understand that, you don't understand socialism.
By tecsan at 04,Nov,23 02:34 other posts of tecsan 
That is why socialism is so great it takes too many dumbasses to make it work. Thankfully there are not that many dumbasses in one place.

You always like these libtard policies, I guess that is because you do not have to be subjected to the consequences of you're ludicrous ideology.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Nov,23 09:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Can you be a capitalist by yourself?

Socialism depends on COOPERATION and SOLIDARITY.
Yes, those things require other people to work.
But cooperation and solidarity uses combined strengths,
to improve the capacity, above everyone just working alone.
That's why 'socialism' has the word 'social' in it.
How can anyone be 'social' by themselves?
Who is the dumb-ass, for not understanding that?

Explain what's ludicrous about cooperation and solidarity.


By tecsan at 08,Nov,23 06:57 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker remember SOCIALISM is your way. If you feel so strongly about it, then surely you can provide for yourself. I get it though, you would not have the comfort of all the amenities that capitalism provides. Go get a shack 100 miles from no where and provide for yourself.









By tecsan at 01,Nov,23 06:48 other posts of tecsan 
Remember Ananas2xLekker the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed. Now the almighty employer/investor has put up all of their money whether it is successful or fails. I believe the people making the product do have a little to gain, it is called a 'PAYCHECK'. Pays bills right and keeps food on the table for their family.

Wake up and realize, you become wealthy if you incur risks, otherwise you work to make a living. Yes it was possible when joey was not the pres. Many will figure this out and vote to fire his sorry ass.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Nov,23 12:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The wealthiest 1% holds 53% of stocks, worth $19.16 trillion. If you expand to the top 10%, that group holds 88.6% of stocks, which have a value of $28 trillion."
Most of the profit is distributed over those stock owners.

Those risks the wealthy take are only in favor of themselves.
If they win, some people might benefit from it too,
but mostly the ones 'taking the risk' win AND society looses.
And even when those risk-takers loose sometimes, the losses get
distributed to society too. Just look at those risk-takers who own banks.
Who bails them out again and again?

I want society as a whole to take those risks and reap the rewards.
Because those risks are already passed on to society, but we do not
reap the rewards. Only the 1% to 10% does and the rest of us get scraps.

Amazon is one of the most successful companies, but it destroys small and medium size businesses, doesn't pay well and doesn't pay taxes. They are not even much cheaper for the consumers, but they destroyed the income of many consumers, by destroying jobs in small and medium size businesses. This reduces your economy, but it mostly favors Jeff Bezos, Andrew Jassy, some managers and the shareholders which are mostly the wealthy.

Whether a company succeeds or not is only dependent now on how much people want their product or services and how much the company maximizes the exploitation of resources, like employees, suppliers and nature.
The company doesn't have the goal of feeding its employee's families or to benefit society, its only goal is making money for the investors, which is for the most part a tiny group of wealthy people.

Stop with you absolute bullshit about Biden or Democrats.
They have not laid one finger on capitalism.
They have only improved it, a bit.
The wealthy are making record profits.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:35 other posts of phart 
This the way innovation is "rewarded" in europe.
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There are reports of a minor incident in 1771, when the second prototype vehicle is said to have accidentally knocked down a brick or stone wall, either that of a Paris garden or part of the Paris Arsenal walls, in perhaps the first known automobile accident.[6] The incident is unrecorded in contemporary accounts, first appearing in 1804, thirty-three years after the alleged accident. Nevertheless, the story persists that Cugnot was arrested and convicted of dangerous driving, another first for him if true.[7]
Later life
Following the French Revolution, Cugnot's pension was withdrawn in 1789 and he went into exile in Brussels where he lived in poverty. Shortly before his death, Cugnot's pension was restored by Napoleon Bonaparte and he eventually returned to Paris where he died on 2 October 1804.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,23 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are talking about 1771! Innovation depended on just a few people with a good brain or being part of the science community. That innovation increased the living standards for people, but mostly for a few and the rest of the people were just slaving in huge factories, from age 12, until they died. Those people have all been replaced by robots. That was INNOVATION. It made jobs better, more productive and paying better. The wealthy people still invested in people back then, because they needed educated people for more difficult jobs and they needed people with money, to buy their products. Still, innovation was simple. Some guy in a shed could invent the 'next thing'.

For a country to succeed nowadays, they need mostly educated people.
All those jobs that don't require any education, don't pay shit.
They don't pay shit, because it doesn't contribute much to society.
It's nice that you can eat a burger, but it adds NOTHING to society.
It's low quality, unhealthy food, that creates lots of pollution.
The only reason to do this is capitalism; it enriches a few people
and it keeps all the people working there in poverty.

I have recently listed many fields of study where innovation is still possible.
All of them require higher education. All the jobs resulting from those innovations
require a higher or at least a good education. Your country doesn't have enough of those people anymore. That's why your good jobs are getting outsourced.
It leaves your country with a few good jobs for the children of rich people who could afford a higher education and it leaves the rest of the people with shit paying jobs, in the services and food sector.

That will result in a decline of your whole economy. People who get paid shit don't have money to buy stuff. The US is already mostly a consumption economy (68.1 % of its Nominal GDP), not a high tech economy, even though you have the biggest high tech companies. However, those high tech companies will either fail or outsource all the good jobs, to countries like mine, where people still can afford good education. That leaves you with the burger flippers and declining number of shelf stackers (because no one has any money to buy stuff) and some people servicing the few wealthy people. It's not a viable method to keep an economy thriving. Just look at the signs; 57% of Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency and nearly 4 in 10 Americans can't cover a $400 expense.
Between 55% to 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Poor people are horrible consumers. They only buy what they need to survive.
Their percentages will only go up and consumption will go down.
There goes the backbone of the American economy.



By #681164 at 01,Nov,23 13:44
Tecsan, you really believe this?

“ the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed.”

Maybe you are so well off that you don’t need a job, but, before retirement, a job was the most important part of my life. My family depended on me working.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:21 other posts of phart 
If mcdonalds failed tommorow, the burger flippers walk over to burger king and get a job. they have lost nothing else because they invested nothing else.
I know mcdonalds is not failing but just a example.

"I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society.'

that reward is MONEY dummy. And what are they going to do with money? they will want it to grow into more money, so they will invest. in what though?
If they are making alot of money in a mediocre job,why would they invest it in a better education?
By #681164 at 01,Nov,23 14:40
Ok, let’s work with the “burger flippers”. They are in the low income bracket. If they get laid off today, it will take them at least two weeks to find a new job, pass pre-employment rig-a-morol before they start the new job. That’s, like I’ve said, at least two weeks. Then they have to wait, on the average, certainly in a big “burger flipping” company, two weeks before they get their first paycheck and, if they started in the middle of the pay period, they get only ONE week’s pay. Now, think about this employee that barely makes enough money per month to pay his bills and buy food and gas.
You don’t see this as the employee being out of something? I know I’ve got a much longer employment history than you and most have been with Fortune 500 companies. Believe me when I tell you, career employees do care for their jobs and strive to be the best. Not all can be the best, but, they all try. What gave you the idea that all people are lazy? Don’t answer that you see it all around. If you do, then you have a very narrow field of vision or a very small sample of life.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:44 other posts of phart 
Now hiring signs posted on business's everywhere I go,100 miles from home or just down the road,
A new restaurant is set to open a few miles from here, can't open yet, can't get anyone to come for interviews
By #681164 at 01,Nov,23 15:02
Yes, but, what I’ve just described is real at everyone of those places. And if there’s a shortage of workers, we’ll, that’s better for people looking for work. That is a problem for a business, but, it equate to laziness of the work force.















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