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Started by tecsan at 13,Sep,22 07:10  other posts of tecsan
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.



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By phart at 12,Jun,24 12:40 other posts of phart 
Well, ananas, looks like your ideas of "paradise" aren't working after all.
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"You really have to look at what's happening in Europe and realize that progressive policies are under attack. People realize the woke left, when they put together their governments and they put together their policies, they can't produce,"

Can't produce,in other words,not working!


By tecsan at 12,Jun,24 06:17 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe that justice prevailed today because of a competent Judge Norkeika.

The court was conducted 100X better than MORON engorons's court and the same with IDIOT merchan's court.


By phart at 04,Jun,24 02:21 other posts of phart 
I just read something that i feel sure annas won't like but I thought it rang pretty true.
You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out.
By tecsan at 04,Jun,24 07:15 other posts of tecsan 
That is no crap. Look how many lost they're lives trying to flee is and still are today. annas is an idiot.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Jun,24 13:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Anyone fleeing Scandinavia?

The countries you call 'socialist' are all oligarchies.
The wealthy elites are in power there, not the people.
Which is exactly what you want America to be.

Not a decade ago, you were all fearmongering about Russia.
Now you want your country to be exactly like Russia.
Tucker Carlson is advertising it like the promised land.

Did Russia stop being communist? No, you became communists!

You idiots want a wealthy, authoritarian dictator controlling your every move,
while telling you he represents the will of the people and the glory of the empire.
That's communism, bonehead!



By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Jun,24 10:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's communism. You still don't understand the difference? Tiresome!

You can vote your way into fascism, but you have to shoot your way out.
By tecsan at 05,Jun,24 09:05 other posts of tecsan 
Anymore smartass comments? Ananas2xLekker.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Jun,24 12:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You don't need to be a smart-ass, to understand the difference
between socialism and communism.

Socialism: the people are the government
Communism: the government elites control the people

Capitalism: the wealthy elites control the people and the government
By tecsan at 06,Jun,24 05:09 other posts of tecsan 
Guess that explains people try to flee socialism then. It has never worked.

Now explain the difference between the wealthy elite and the government elites if you can? Both are basically the same here. I know you have a hard time answering questions.
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By phart at 06,Jun,24 14:39 other posts of phart 
I have to agree, there are no poor people in government, only wealthy people that really can't show where their money comes from,take that Mendez "spelling", fellow, free Merecedes, gold and etc, um the dems don't care about it.





By White_Mamba at 11,Jun,24 03:09 other posts of White_Mamba 
Not one time in human history for any governed society has socialism worked.Eventually it leads to failure. The only reason anyone even thinks socialism works is either stupid or they are the dictators propagating freedom through socialism or thier twisted means of defining democracy.
By phart at 11,Jun,24 04:20 other posts of phart 
Why is it in socialist and communist countries most folks don't even have cars ,they ride bicycles and walk everywhere. they eat simple food and don't have alot to show for their work.
Just a quick google search,Wow,
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Communist states are typically authoritarian and are typically administered through democratic centralism by a single centralised communist party apparatus. These parties are usually Marxist–Leninist or some national variation thereof such as Maoism or Titoism, with the official aim of achieving socialism and progressing toward a communist society.

Annas, read that last sentence again,
"These parties are usually Marxist–Leninist or some national variation thereof such as Maoism or Titoism, with the official aim of achieving socialism "

THE AIM OF ACHIEVING SOCIALISM< and then move right along into communism.


What are the 5 communist socialist countries?
Today, the existing communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
By White_Mamba at 12,Jun,24 04:34 other posts of White_Mamba 
communism, socialism or whatever the fuck you call it is a result of a government take over. A government that overpowers people. Eventually all empires will come to an end when you stop blowing the president.





By epep50 at 09,Jun,24 04:31 other posts of epep50 
I'm a veteran of 2 wars and don't want to see anymore. I love my country but we seem hell-bent on destroying ourselves as a nation. I used to be progressive in my ignorance. Not anymore. Joe Biden is the worst president any of us will see in our lifetime. The only good that man has done has put a spotlight on the evil of the democrat party and their policies. Kamala Harris has guaranteed we won't see a woman as president or vice president as long as I'm living so we can thank her for that.


By phart at 22,May,24 02:47 other posts of phart 
Now It becomes clearer to me why liberals hate religion .
Kinda hard to push a liberal-socialist agenda when the Bible tells you to be dependent on no one.


Does the Bible say to live a quiet life?
In 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12, the Apostle Paul tells Christians that while excelling in brotherly love they are “to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.”Sep 4, 2019
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,May,24 16:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I hate religion, because it churns out stupid people.

See Tucker Carlson being a Creationist Tool on Joe Rogan's show:
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Why doesn't he mind his own affairs, instead of messing up science,
which he obviously doesn't understand. Or it's just an act, for stupid people.

If we should be dependent on no one, we should kick out all the employers
and enact socialism, where people work for their own affairs, and work together
with others in brotherly love, instead of for outsiders, who profit from the work of others.
We should not be dependent on them and they should not be dependent on us.

Why do you worship the people who do not work with their hands,
but let others work for them?
By phart at 27,May,24 16:59 other posts of phart 
we could all mind our own affairs if the idiot liberals would mind theirs.

ok so you don't like religion, and your youtuber thinks every sound uttered from a scientist is golden. That is your affair ,quit pushing it on everyone else.
science is bought and paid for in most cases that liberals use the information regarding the hot topic of the day.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,May,24 17:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So what is left from your little quote then?

Are you kidding? I question EVERYTHING, that's the scientific method.
There are no words that I consider golden, that's faith!

Religion is bought and paid for and Tucker Carlson is bought and paid for.
Their arguments only work on gullible people, who are incapable of understanding evidence and logic for themselves.
Science doesn't push anything, they just present their evidence and expects you
to be curious about the truth. You are not, you want to be lied to.

Liberals are minding their own affairs, which is defending The Constitution
and The Rule of Law, while you are supporting a fascist traitor, who wants to be king.
By phart at 27,May,24 20:03 other posts of phart 
So why is it not my affair to defend the constitution?
Because I support the 2d amendment I suddenly am minding someone else's affairs?
Religion is not bought or paid for. it is shared all over the world. Church can be held under a shade tree and folks sitting on the ground.
Science is expensive. So how many scientist you know that didn't go to college? How many labs do you know of that cost nothing?
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,May,24 08:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Because the 2nd amendment is the only part of it you support.

Right-wing Christian conservatives are getting in people's business,
by pushing your ideas on people who do not share them, contrary to what The Constitution and all the other amendments allow.

Science is an investment, just like education. Every dollar you invest in it comes back many times over.
By tecsan at 29,May,24 08:11 other posts of tecsan 
You do not always quote science, mostly you biased socialist opinions.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,May,24 08:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Socialism is based on a principle of how I want people to live together.
That is indeed an opinion. There is no science that can show you
that what you want society to be is correct or false.
If you want to live in servitude of some king, that's your OPINION.
There is no science that can deny you your opinion on that.

I base my worldview on solidarity. That is an opinion.
I cannot show you that it is correct or false, with science.

If you want everyone to just care about their own needs and don't care about anyone else, nor the future, then your opinions are logically consistent with everything you are communicating here. However, if you think that makes the world and your life better, then we should first discuss what you think a better life for you looks like. Maybe you just have a different idea of what you want for your life.
By phart at 29,May,24 12:29 other posts of phart 
socialism is living in servitude to those that won't work .

Not much different than your theory of capitalism,the poor work for the rich.
Your idea, the poor work for the poor and the government.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,May,24 12:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Another straw-man. Try to understand something, before you knock it.

My socialism is not 'working for the government',
it's the government working for the people
and not just for a few wealthy ones, like your system.








By tecsan at 29,May,24 04:26 other posts of tecsan 
This is why I refuse to comment about religion with you. You admitted that you are atheist. Thus there is no argument there. Nothing will change your mind except proof of it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,May,24 08:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"You admitted that you are atheist. Thus there is no argument there."
Is that an admission? Yes, I don't believe in ideas that cannot be shown to be true.
Religion fails even the lowest standards of what is required to determine what is true.

I don't need 'proof' to accept the truth of an idea, I just need good arguments in favor of it and good arguments against alternative ideas. Those arguments should be based on evidence and logic, in accordance with reality.

Believers are the ones who won't change their mind, except when it's proven wrong.
In the case of the supernatural, it is impossible to prove claims wrong, because it allows for denying reality itself. If you believe in magic, everything is possible.


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By Ananas2xLekker at 21,May,24 15:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
American Nazi Nick Fuentes Accidentally Streams Gay Porn
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Another one of those right-wingers who pretends to hate the gays, on a “Christian values” broadcast, who opposes LGBTQIA+ rights or even the existence of LGBTQIA+ people,
but who secretly watches gay porn. They cannot admit to themselves that they are gay
or bi or just want to suck cock, so they turn their insecurities into hate.

Just accept who you are, instead of hating on people who embrace it!


By tecsan at 21,May,24 07:07 other posts of tecsan 
How is the trial going for you Ananas2xLekker?
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,May,24 07:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Which one?

The one where the corrupt judge just decided to postpone indefinitely?
Or the one where the defendant got his bond lowered to a third of the original?

Both are not going well. What a failure of your justice system.

In any case, Trump is doing pathetically in his election interference case, where he cooked the books to hide the fact that he paid off the porn-star hooker he fucked.
Damn, you know how to pick your presidents.



By tecsan at 20,Feb,24 08:49 other posts of tecsan 
TRUMP 2024.

Fund the POLICE & DEFUND BIDEN.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Defund Trump! Oh, thanks judge Engoron.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:34 other posts of phart 
No defund New York.
Send in millions more illegals, let them run the place down the toilet where it belongs.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 21:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No sign of any Wall Street crash yet. How long until the crisis hits?
How do buildings with TRUMP signs on it keep illegals out? It hurts their eyes?
I do admit many will lose their jobs; construction jobs for Trump.
But, I'm sure they will find some job that pays better. Trump scams his workers too.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:20 other posts of phart 
2 major investors have pulled out of new york, truckers are refusing shipping to new york. I would say the earth is quivering a bit so far.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 10:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
History shows how long right-wing boycots last.
You have the attention span of a goldfish.
By phart at 23,Feb,24 12:28 other posts of phart 
I still boycott a restaurant that offended me in 2012.
some may forget,I don't
By dgraff at 07,Mar,24 12:07 other posts of dgraff 
I still don’t buy any Coca-Cola products ever since they stated they were going to hold classes to teach the workers how to be a little less white what kind of a statement was that crazy
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 12:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Well, it doesn't look like The Coca-Cola Company is suffering from it.
It would be nice if consumer choices actually held companies accountable for disrespecting the principles of their consumers, but it doesn't work that way. That's just another lie they told you about capitalism. People are fooled by messaging too easily.

If their products are liked mostly by conservatives, they act conservative.
If their products are liked mostly by black people, they act 'inclusive'.
If their products are liked mostly by young people, they act hip and woke.

So, if you see a company be hip and woke, you can be sure that you are not
their target market. They don't fear you, because your group doesn't buy their products enough and you support the capitalist system that profits them already.

Teaching the workers "how to be a little less white"
Just distribute some tan-in-a-can! It works for Trump, he looks dead without it.
By tecsan at 22,Mar,24 04:30 other posts of tecsan 
Guess you just explained bud light. I would not allow it in my front door. I still accept un-opened bud light in the back of my truck. It makes for good target practice.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They don't care! Their sales are already up again.
Probably all the woke people who compensate for you.

If they are smart, they brand it as the wokest beer available.
You're not the target market for light beers. That's 'gay'!

By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 04:48
Every restaurant and bar or establishment that serves beer still carries Bud Light and, not only that, all the advertising still hangs on these establishments. So what was proven by this misguided childish stunt? NOTHING.



By phart at 07,Mar,24 13:59 other posts of phart 
Yea, if I happen to go mcdonalds i have to get sweet tea because they sell coke.I don't even like eating at mcdonalds but when the other place is closed , it beats nothing.
I don't give to the salvation army either because of their pamphlet they sent out wanting white volunteers and employees to apologize and all that mess.
Not my fault I was born white,nor is it any else's fault as to the color they were born. You can act like a victim or you can get out there and make your mark on the world. regardless of color
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Mar,24 07:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
True, you are not guilty of anything, just because you're white.
But, you keep voting for a party that has restricting the voting rights of black people and other non-white people as a priority.
That party bans thousands of books from schools, for the only reason that there are black people in it as characters, that they were written by a black person or that it describes black history.
You react to every murder of a black person by police or some fearful grandpa, that they had it coming, because they are 'obviously criminals'.
That's you acquiring guilt for racism, that you haven't been born with.
By phart at 21,Mar,24 10:58 other posts of phart 
You act as if the "fearful" grandpa has no right to defend himself from a black person. Would you feel the same way if the thug they shot was white?
I can't help it blacks don't respect police and are not taught to respect authority.
Banning a book about black history, could it be because it is a bunch of lies and political correctness that doesn't tell the whole story? There is more to the story than most acknowledge .primarly that they were first sold by their own. that is not in most books therefore they are not learning all the truth. they are just taught enough to resent whites, are not taught that their ancestors were sold by their peers. teaching the blacks the truth,would remove the control system that democrats have over blacks,teaching them they are "helpless victums" because of whites only.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Would you feel the same way if the thug they shot was white?"
White people don't get shot when they ring a doorbell.

"could it be because it is a bunch of lies and political correctness that doesn't tell the whole story?"
No, it's because you want to rewrite history, to say slavery was awesome.
In any case, ever heard of the first amendment?

There are no people with a victim complex as big as right-wingers.
You're all a bunch of fragile little crybabies and Trump is the worst one.
By phart at 22,Mar,24 22:24 other posts of phart 
No, I and others like me do not want to rewrite history,we are trying to prevent it from being rewritten by folks with a agenda

No one thinks slavery was awesome. A republican President freed the slaves for petes sake.
What folks don't hear about is slaves staying on at the plantation because they were treated well and some were even buried in the family's cemetery plots.
3000 dollars was alot of money in the 1800's and the new books try to make it seem that all slaves were beaten with in a inch of their lives and starved and etc. BULLSHIT.
they were well taken care, they were sadly legally Property at that time and investments. why on earth would any sane person harm them? How would they work in pain or injured? How would they work starved? Apply a little logic and the woke history suddenly does not add up.
Slavery was terriable, it was ended as far as blacks are concerned but now you can call illegals asylum seekers and hire them over and above US citizens. and control them with fear that they will be sent home if they don't work.that's the woke slave trade.
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Mar,24 15:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"A republican President freed the slaves for petes sake."
Sure, and that's why all you Republicans now love the Confederate flag.
You're re-writing history yourself. You know that's all bullshit.
Those were Republicans in name only, and I'm not talking about your RINO conservatives who like the policies of Trump but just not his chaos.
They were the liberals, doing liberal politics, writing the liberal Constitution and caring about liberty for all, including the slaves. The conservatives hated that idea and hated everything the liberals came up with. The Constitution is actually watered down for those Southern conservatives, giving them the electoral college which provided them with more electors per vote.
The liberals favored a majority representative system, like my country has.
You are indoctrinated with the idea that The Constitution is perfect.
First of all, you don't even know what it says and second; it's pretty good, but it was still a compromise, between the liberals who designed it and the conservatives who didn't like that whole democracy thing very much. And that has stayed mostly the same throughout time. Conservatives still don't like democracy, especially not for people who have different opinions. They prefer destroying democracy over losing to the other side. It's also an admission that your opinions are actually not popular. Without constant lying, almost no one would support your ideas.

The slaves didn't stay on the plantation because they were treated well, but because they needed to work for a living and often to pay off the debt to their former owners. Instead of the original slavery, many of them were put in wage slavery or debt slavery. Additionally, it was still a very unsafe time for them. The South was still racist as fuck and would kill lost of former slaves, for just walking around. When you still consider a black kid who rings a doorbell in the evening a mortal danger that you shoot just to be safe, what do you think people back then thought about black people.

Indeed slaves were an expensive investment, but those slaves needed to work very hard to regain that investment. They didn't get their slaves to work that hard for nothing, by just asking them nicely. They needed to be tortured into submission. If you don't understand that, imagine you were in their situation. It always seems like right-wingers are unable to do that. You lot would lay down your lives to protect your guns. Bunker out on your hill, like dgraff, but you don't understand that slaves had NO FREEDOM AT ALL. Many of those slaves were proud warriors, captured by rivaling tribes and sold to the white men. Do you think they would bend over that easy? How delusional are you? They were shown who's the boss in the cruelest ways you could imagine.

"How would they work starved" They got fed, but they were used to eating garbage. The culture called 'soul food' is based on the skill of slaves to make offal and other waste eatable. The black people in your country that are descendant of slaves have no other culture. Unlike Americans from Irish descend, who still celebrate St. Patrick's Day, those black people don't have African culture. That was all beaten out of them, they only have SLAVE CULTURE, with slave music, which is based on singing together in the fields to mike life bearable and slave food, which is based on cooking with garbage.

Your correct that immigrants are abused in almost the same way as slaves were back then. They can go, whenever they want, just like those freed slaves that stayed on the plantation, because they have nowhere to go. They didn't get a ticket back to Africa. Hell, lots of them were born into slavery and had never seen Africa. Where would you go, if you were born on a plantation, in a country where you are not safe anywhere else. Most immigrants are leaving poverty and violence. Do you think they wouldn't leave their exploiters, if they had a better place to go to or a better job to survive on? That exploitative system isn't 'woke', that's what right-wingers created for employers to exploit CHEAP LABOR. Republicans only cut and gut labor inspection.

It's the jobs that Americans don't want to do, because those jobs suck or pay even less than the jobs that lots of Americans still do. I told you many times that you should crack down on those employers. If there are still no Americans for those jobs, then you give those immigrant workers green cards and make sure they cannot be exploited anymore. Then the citizens who came to the US further in the past, have a chance to compete with them too. Then less of you won't have to work 12 hours per day, 7 days per week either. You're all getting exploited. You can change that by starting with the immigrants. Keeping the immigrants out won't work, mostly because your Republicans don't want to. They take orders from big corporations, who want their raw materials for cheap, to make more profit. That involves exploitation of the people who make those raw materials. It's either illegals or American citizens, but they will exploit who ever they can to make more money. Normally you support that. You would support exploitation of illegals too, if they hadn't sold you the story that they are to blame for your exploitation 24/7 on your right-wing 'news' channels that they bought and own.
By phart at 27,Mar,24 23:49 other posts of phart 
proud warriors? If they got caught by the other tribe and traded, they were Loosers.
Soul food, Sheesh, beans,tators, pork chops, what is garbage about that?
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Mar,24 14:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If they got caught by the other tribe and traded, they were Loosers."
You can fight proudly and still lose. When the white men gives one side weapons that outclass another's side, you can fight proudly, with all your might and still lose. Many died rather than being sold to the slavers, but some got captured. Many woman and children and teenage boys were traded as slaves. When too many men were killed to fight the slavers, women started fighting too.
Go see 'The Woman King'. What am I saying, way to woke for you.

That soul food has of course evolved a bit from the absolute garbage that it was when they were slaves, to ingredients from hunting and gathering when they were freed, to cheap ingredients and leftovers during the segregation era, to still cheap ingredients with some extra's now.

"Slave rations were often meager and frequently consisted largely of leftovers and "undesirable" foods from the masters' kitchens such as
pork ribs, ears and chitterlings (the pig's small intestine)."
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"beans,tators, pork chops" are not expensive ingredients.
It's literally based on the cheapest ingredients possible.
When the slaves were free, as soon as possible they stopped eating garbage themselves and started raising pigs, that they could feed the garbage.

Go read something about it, before you come up with BS like this.
You can literally go to Wiki and learn something.
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By phart at 29,Mar,24 18:54 other posts of phart 
You aint from the south that's for sure.
Anytime you go to the nearby county, there will be a sign, "BAZAAR" "Chittlin's cornbread and fried chicken all you can eat"
Go by that church on that day and you will see Lexux,and Cadillacs in the lot.
they can eat better now, they CHOOSE not to.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Mar,24 10:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We were talking about CULTURE, originating from slavery,
segregation and poverty, not CURRENT poverty.

Did you even get the main point?
Most immigrants keep the culture alive from the country they come from; people of Irish descent have St. Patrick's Day, people of Italian descent have their food, so do lots of other cultures. Many people still have their religion.

The descendants of slaves have no culture from the original African countries they came from. You can be sure those countries they came from had cultures. Go to Africa and see a culture that's older than yours (if there is even something like an American culture). But none of that culture remained, because slaves were forbidden to have a culture.

Maybe you think that's a small thing, but your side is crying 24/7 about culture stuff. Just an example; when liberals try to respect other cultures, by saying "Happy holidays!", you lot go apeshit over that almost every Christmas time.
By phart at 31,Mar,24 11:53 other posts of phart 
if they want african culture, Delta is ready when they are to go BACK to where their culture is.The lack of air conditioning, the poor health care,the lousy food supply, the fighting in the streets,oh, well, hell that's not much different than the neighborhoods they have built for themselves here, so they do have the same cultures.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't know if they want African culture, that's not the point.
The point was that they had a right to it, and white people stole it.

You are using the argument that black people shouldn't be so angry about slavery, because they have all those luxuries now. Even if that's true now, generations of African people lived and died as slaves,
were subjugated, tortured and murdered. Then after slavery, their descendants were treated like garbage for several more generations.
Even now after more generations, their descendants have the same rights, by law, not in reality, people like you still keep blaming them,
for not keeping up with the rest of Americans. Whatever blame they could ever have themselves, white Americans have much more of it.
That includes you personally, because you're taking part in the movement that doesn't want to allow them the chance to catch up,
or even allow them equal chances to do it themselves.
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:20 other posts of phart 
you can't help those that won't help themselves.
When will you understand that folks like in harlem, could leave but WON'T because they don't care?
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 17:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Apparently you understand them better.
Surprising, because you never showed any empathy before.
By phart at 02,Apr,24 21:19 other posts of phart 
empathy is sometimes taken as weakness
you try to help someone,let your guard down and thats when they harm you,steal from you etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 09:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Not SYMPATHY, EMPATHY; the ability to understand people
by imagining yourself in their position.

You don't do that, you're just giving your opinion of them.

I'm sure you can already predict the term I'm using for it;
straw-manning.
It's pretending to represent other peoples attitude or opinion,
while you're only representing your own opinion about them.



By #610414 at 08,Apr,24 14:54
That’s wrong Phart. How do you suggest these people in the Bronx pay for a move out of the Bronx? Same for any one that lives in a poor section of the city they live in? You yourself said in a post that’s in the Dumpster that you’ve never been to NYC because you couldn’t afford it. You enjoy the fruits of an inheritance where you have a homestead. Most poor people pay rent and are not able to have a side hustle like mowing lawn’s or repairing whatever.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 18:40 other posts of phart 
If you are homeless in the bronx or have very little, what is there to leave? WALK to another city, ask around for a job, start over.
If you can sweep floors, get a job sweeping floors in partial exchange for the privilege of sleeping in the back shed until you save up money for a place to rent.
What is preventing people from having side hustles?
What is preventing people that have NOTHING from trying?

Most jobs require tools and knowledge,
BUT all jobs require a BRAIN. and all humans have a brain.or they couldn't breath.
So with that 1 tool in hand, and a good pair of shoes, you start walking and if you see a unmowed lawn, you ask the owner,can i mow your lawn for 20 bucks if you have a mower? "sure" , walk away with 20 bucks.
and go forward.
YOU have to be MOTIVATED to try, or if you are on the government tit, you will lie there in squaller till you die.
By #610414 at 08,Apr,24 18:56
Have you any idea how many"lawns" there are in the Bronx. Also, who said we were talking about the homeless?
By phart at 08,Apr,24 20:08 other posts of phart 
if you are in the bronx, you are pretty much homeless.
Besides, I said if you have nothing to loose by leaving ,walk somewhere else that there may BE some lawns to mow.
Or windows to wash or bricks to lay or dead animals to remove from the street or,a fucking job of some kind.
Anything to start your life over again and stop blaming everyone else.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 09:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You got that wrong, if you are in Port Royal, Naples, Florida,
then you are pretty much homeless, unless you are part of the 5% who can afford a house there.

If you are in the Bronx, then you have a much higher chance to be able to afford a roof over your head and not be homeless.










By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 04:23
What's all this stupid silly ducky stuff.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Mar,24 11:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What's this stupid silly ducky comment?
By phart at 31,Mar,24 11:56 other posts of phart 
duck,a waterproof chicken with a kazoo.

By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 18:42
Are you autistic? Autistics repeat a lot.
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:21 other posts of phart 
i only said it once?


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 07:28
Studying the scientific methods of research is not in your specialty
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Try to actually formulate an argument for once and maybe we could talk about the scientific methods of research. By the way, I've been educated in the scientific method starting 34 years ago and I've been actively using it for the last 25 years.

You say you have a medical professional job. That requires scientific thinking or at least logical thinking. I've not seen you using it.
It would be nice, if you tried.
By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 21:16
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By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 21:22
You form a hypothesis
you collect data for analysis
you formulate a conclusion.
Does it show consistency?
If it confirms this you have developed theory.
If there is no adversity as time goes on then it becomes a law and sound.

You say you are smart and experienced for 25 years on scientific method but have yet to demonstrate what you preach.

Until you can prove to me what you say I consider it a political lie. You fail in presenting logical arguments that we can use to compare and contrast. All I hear from you is bullshit showing links of personal biased fake news but until this point you have failed to show concrete facts. I do.

T here is a difference between logic and critical reasoning. You lack ability to demonstrate any of these requirements that you claim to possess. IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE.!!

Are you paying attention yet because this is important. I shit you not man

. You hate the republican president that has nothing to do with you. Its hatred towards this man lacks moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities.

Just like the German Nazi's from 1932-1945. This is all I see is your hate. Nothing less, nothing more and you prove it constantly. I've given you many chances to display critical reasoning and you waste this opportunity every single time.

I've said this before but you are too stupid to assimilate. Unfortunately, not to my intention I've exposed your hypocrisy throughout the site now. The more you do this the more stupid you appear.

Therefore, your opinions are not important or influential for me.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 18:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I told you (or previous TS iterations) that we don't have to perform formal argumentation theory here or support every opinion with the conclusions of some study. If science applies, that's preferable, but about 90% of the topics here are not related to science. Still, scientific thinking develops logical thinking; the ability to recognize patterns, draw correct conclusions and the ability to analyze problems and come up with effective solutions.

How difficult is it to present some facts, that we can both agree on
as being real and then provide a logical argument to support an opinion? Or, as an alternative, present an opinion and a reason for why you have the opinion. I used to think it's simple, but talking to people on this website has showed me how many people completely lack that ability.

I'm sure you do it in your profession, when you argument why a scan has failed or when you think equipment is malfunctioning. If someone else then disagrees with you, are you questioning his moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities?

Our disagreements started when you formulated your morality as 'right and wrong' and say you base it on altruism. I asked you to make a logical connection between that basis and your political opinions. I have done that myself, but your explanation sounded to me like the ramblings of an over-medicated mental patient. Maybe we really do not understand each other, but I think I at least put in an effort to explain my socialist values to a people who have been fed right-wing propaganda from birth. That's clear as day, when all of you associate socialism with Venezuela and Hitler. That's just parroting what you've heard and never gave it one coherent thought in your life. The most well-know person in the US, who supports socialist values is Bernie Sanders. Tell me when you last have heard him defend Venezuela or Hitler. He's talking about providing people healthcare and education and a living wage. Did Hitler care about those things?

Every time I ask you something, you want to first agree on definitions. Can't we agree that most things are defined as most of the dictionaries define them? Then, if there are misunderstandings, we can clarify what things mean to us.

I have specific critique of your former Republican president. I don't just say that the man 'lacks moral decency and reasoning cognitive abilities', I support that opinion by telling everyone what I've seen him do and say and what is said about him, supported by credible sources. If I hate him, then it's not for partisan reasons, not even for his ideas, but because of his actions and his attitude. Still, when he was suffering from Covid, I genuinely both felt sorry for him, combined with a feeling of justice being served. When he makes a good joke, I can still appreciatie his humor. I would say, that's impossible if I truly hated the man. I do really disrespect him for lying and conning so many people, but I also blame the people who believe lies and get conned. I do sort of recognize his talent to fool so many people, it's definitely a skill. It's the only skill he has that made him the man he is. I wouldn't call him successful, because everyone with a brain, starting with hundreds of millions of dollars in inheritance, would be able to hire some good people to run their business for them. Trump even failed that, unless hiring that many crooks for your business is intentional. The only money he really made was playing a successful businessman on TV, all his other venues were mediocre successes at best. He went bankrupt six times, even with a casino. He has been in more courtrooms than most lawyers, getting sued by countless people he screwed over on a daily basis. Give me his father's money and I would do many times better, without having to do all that fraud and exploitation.

What I've done is formulating my opinions and my reasons for having them. If your only counterargument is calling my arguments stupid, then you're only exposing your own hypocrisy, because then you show that you're too stupid to assimilate anything.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 21:28
I'm rubbing my eyes hoping you don't cry me a river. You have no scientific or reasoning ability concerning moral ethics or justice. I really don't know what else to tell you and until you learn to be objective we have nothing to talk about.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 16:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Here's an idea; show that you have any scientific or reasoning ability concerning moral ethics or justice.


By phart at 03,Apr,24 15:18 other posts of phart 
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" young Germans are urged to fight the negative health effects of life in modern cities by exercising together and engaging in wholesome social activities instead of drinking and smoking"

I must admit,No I don't hear many democrats ask young people not to smoke and drink ,they seem to encourage it actually.
I guess the theory is, if they are high they will vote for who allows them to be high?
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 15:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sure, outright fascism contains a value that discipline is good.
That discipline is only intended to better serve the Fьhrer.
Hitler was also concerned with the health of his soldiers, researching the minimum daily requirement for vitamins and minerals, that is still mostly used until today, they say.
It was all intended to maximize the efficiency of his army.

Evil despots cannot get a country behind them with 100% pure evil,
they fool you with talk about discipline, patriotism and sacrifice for the good of the country, and then they do the 100% pure evil.
Might be good for you to understand that. Because it's applicable.

The Democrats don't encourage smoking and drinking,
they just consider it FREEDOM to do that if you want.
Republicans used to stand for personal freedom once,
now you just stand for servitude to the wealthy.

Why would freedom only be popular with young people?





By phart at 02,Apr,24 00:52 other posts of phart 
I tend to read some science,but then i look at who funded what I am reading and go from there.people tend to lean towards where the paycheck comes from.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 03:45
What I emphasize is common reasoning. What makes sense here. I can be scientific but if people don't understand right from wrong then what can I do?

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The whole scientific method is based on the acknowledgement that people tend to lean towards where their paycheck comes from.
That's the reason for the peer reviews. Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them. There is no right or wrong in science, there are only varying levels of probability. Still, some of those probabilities are the best approximation of certainty that is possible and there is no better method to exceed that level of near certainty.
By #712828 at 02,Apr,24 21:39
The scientific method is based on LOGIC.
Critical reasoning is the ability to find truth not only with yourself but understanding the true nature of existence which includes people.

You are not only lacking knowledge for reasoning but I submit all are you showing is not logical either.

Anything the left media tells you, then you believe. They want you to hate their political adversaries and for you it works for them. You've been used your entire life. Totally.

There are 3 types of people:
1)Good people```20%
2) Bad people, pure evil 15%
3) Misled people--65%j

Pure evil people you just take their power. Misled people are victims, Good people are true leaders and teachers of representing Justise and virtue.

The true nature of existence is knowledge you do not have or just not enough. Your hatred of this man is not only illogical, it makes no common sense whatsoever. This show your ignorance and being selfish.  Very similiar to the Nazi's finding their own justification for stealing the property of Jews and then murder every single one of them. I find your assertions boring and until you have to have better desires to find truth as it is ,,, we're done.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 14:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
SCIENCE is based on logic, the scientific METHOD is based on formulating hypotheses and trying to prove them wrong.

Sure, with logic, but I was talking about the METHOD.
You don't prove hypotheses right, you fail to prove them wrong.

As Albert Einstein famously said: "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

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By #712828 at 03,Apr,24 14:25
You are diverting from the point. Your irrelevance in trying to divert is exposed with clarity.

Scientific method is to use logic to create a hypothesis then test.

Critical reasoning you have no skills at all since you do not believe in God which means you have no instincts where logic is not the answer solving puzzles or finding answers. You need to go beyond logic and use your humbleness for basic understanding. You have not shown any skills. Since you reject God in reality there is no way for you to use these skills. You have 1 dimensional thinking when you actually need 4 dimensions. L x H X W X T===understanding. You have no heart, only assertions that are not debatable since you've already made up your mind including hating Trump. This is not debatable since you've made up your mind but you are also judging people that have nothing to do with you. America first. Biden is America last and collect money betraying Americans. We have nothing to talk about based on your limitations, experience and choices you've made, already made. You just don't understand me since you go in circles..

I'm not here to prove you wrong. I could care less. I'm here to tell the truth I know is sound. Hypothesis, theory, law, sound. Concrete facts. You don't agree, well ok.

Furthermore people on here are starting to listen to me more than they are listening to you. You want to keep bullshitting its your dime.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Apr,24 17:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm not diverting from the point, I said:

"The whole scientific method is based on the acknowledgement that people tend to lean towards where their paycheck comes from. That's the reason for the peer reviews. Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them."

"Scientific method is to use logic to create a hypothesis then test."
And if you are doing real science, you are designing the test in a way to prove your hypothesis wrong, if it is actually wrong.
If you are designing your tests to try to confirm your hypothesis, then you are doing science wrong.

What do you think 'CRITICAL reasoning' means? It's trying to find errors in arguments, not trying to confirm argument, which is the basis of the scientific METHOD, as I explained it.
By #712828 at 05,Apr,24 19:11
Scientific method is to find out the truth regardless of any circumstances.
Critical reasoning requires a stoic form understanding reality exploring the true nature of existence. What do I mean by this? Logic is a poor way although it could be useful as a tool but where critical reasoning is required involves stoicism, patience and the ability to listen empathically. Wisdom, yes?

Wisdom is not logic. But logic is and can be used as a tool.. Wisdom is learned throughout the course of time when you truly want to find out what is real and what is not.

Logic is a tool to think. Wisdom is how you feel given the circumstances or environment. Another form of wisdom is known as judicial knowledge in order to find harmony and most of all,,,,, Freedom. The hand the mind and the heart when they work together create perfect harmony. The only way to achieve this is using wisdom and judicial critical moral reasoning. There is no exceptions. Finding truth on this scale is based on how you feel not by what you thihk.

What I mean is you use your compassions to find truth. You are an atheist, so you go by logic which is not logical on political discussion. God does not exist for you so your reasoning abilities are severely limited. Certain topics require critical reasoning, or your logic will become flawed. Your 5 senses, at the moment, and here-say arguments with Trump Derangement Syndrome. If you can strive to be all true rather than egoism and pride it should be easier with time, practice and learning..

In your situation with Trump you try to impress logic as to why you hate him. But you use links and fake news to strengthen your assertions. You use your hate in forming truth. You are better than this person and you know everything kind of attitude. This is a defense mechanism known as rationalization. Such as your suffering because of Trump without taking into responsibility of your own actions as to why you are suffering. This is a false sense of truth and in the end you end up with hatred and lack of spiritual growth requiring critical reasoning skills.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Apr,24 18:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You find the truth, by cutting away the logical errors.
That's what critical thinking is all about.

Another term for a logical error is a fallacy.

By #712828 at 06,Apr,24 20:18
I never said cutting away anything. Why is it that you are the only one on here that doesn't have a clue what I'm saying?
Are you stupid or ignorant? It's both.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Apr,24 17:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know, I did. I'm saying it, because there is only one way to be correct and an infinite was to be wrong. That's why science and critical thinking focuses on trying to prove hypotheses wrong and arguments erroneous. If you don't understand that, your basic understanding of science and critical thinking is wrong.

One simple method we use in the company I work for, to find the cause of a safety incident, quality issue or some other problem is a fishbone diagram. There are varying versions going around, but they are all based on considering every possible source of the problem, by categorizing sources, considering all the possibilities and then methodically invalidating every HYPOTHESIS that can be easily dismissed, further investigating everything that can't.



It's a very simple logical tool, intended for our production employees, based on the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. For more complicated problems the supporting department(s) (that I work for) use various multivariate analysis tools, also based on eliminating hypothesis, rather than confirming them.
That's very important, because it prevents confirmation bias.

I was focusing on just this subject, in the hope of getting any agreement between us. You're the one diverting from the point.
However, I see it doesn't work, so lets move on with other points you are making.

I sort of agree with your idea of wisdom. I would define wisdom as the experience of having used logic and critical thinking so often, that a person understands how to make the right decision, without having to analyse a problem or solutions very deeply, but comes to the correct answer on intuition. It's a rare thing. I consider some well-known philosophers to be wise, a few political founders and a few writers. The only person I have ever known, who I consider wise was my Senior Manager, who has since left our company. I have learned very important things from him.

I am an atheist that doesn't believe any gods or a god exists, that's different from 'God does not exist for you'. There are only 3 things that religions claim that I consider possibly true.
1) There might be a supreme being that imagined everything into existence. I do not consider it likely, but science doesn't have any evidence in favor or against it, so I hold it as a possibility.
2) There might be something remaining of our essence after we die. I do not consider it likely, but science is unable to disprove this supernatural thing either.
3) There are probably texts in the holy books that are based on actual events. I don't think at all that even a letter in those books are inspired by the possibly existing supreme being, but people could have surely been inspired by the thought of such a supreme being existing and trying to imagine what such a supreme being would want. Everything in those books is to me obviously the work or at best the best attempts of ignorant, primitive men, trying to explain the world from their incredibly limited perspective, possibly trying to improve their tribal world and maybe even trying to present themselves as representatives of a supreme being to rule over the ignorant, gullible masses.

There is no logical reasoning or scientific evidence supporting the existence of god. You only think so, because you are told so and you believe it. You think that you have the truth, just like everyone else who has some completely different religious ideas. They base their ideas on a god, just like you and still have completely different ideas than you. Still, all you believers think you're the one who are right and everyone else is wrong. That's extremely arrogant. The likelihood that you are correct and everyone else is wrong is at least 1 in a million.

At least I don't consider myself to be correct, because of basing ideas on supernatural guidance. I base my ideas on evidence and logic and I can immediately change my mind on almost anything, as soon as I'm presented with evidence and logic that is stronger than the evidence and logic I previously held on the subject.
I would immediately accept the existence of god, if god presented me with sufficient evidence to believe in them (I don't say him, because it's ridiculous to think god is a man. It's just an example of the flawed ideas in the holy books.).

You keep accusing me of egoism and pride. If your ideas are based on Christianity, I would expect some more humility.
You should read that book of yours a bit more careful. Matt. 7 Verses 3 to 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
You accuse me of using links and fake news to strengthen my assertions, but you are supporting your claims with NOTHING. You just call everything I say a lie or nonsense, without any arguments against it, and then talk about 'egoism and pride'. Your arrogance has no limits. Even if you had all the wisdom in the world, the way you communicate it wouldn't convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
By #712828 at 07,Apr,24 20:47
Wisdom is everything. My knowledge of wisdom is to just listen while the fool's chatter. Stoicism.

2 things we need is time. We cannot exist without time. The other thing is inspiration. Without that then we have no purpose. none. Money, control and propaganda is the devil's tool of diversion.

You don't believe in God therefore inspiration to you does not exist. What would be the point?

Money and politics in reality does not exist.

What does exist is ideas by which you create an inspiration from being inspired. When money, politics(propaganda), greed and egoism overwhelm our true purpose it leads to destruction.

Socialism has never worked, never. So after 100s of attempts you still create this stupidity.

Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?
By phart at 08,Apr,24 00:21 other posts of phart 
is this "scientific method" anything like a troubleshooting flow chart
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By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 03:46
The scientific method
Make an observation.
Ask a question.
Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
Test the prediction.
Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.

Question, Research, Hypothesis, Experiment, Data Analysis, Conclusion, and Communication.

In this section you don't need scientific argument Trump created any felonies by questioning the election results. 1st amendment. No question is submitted because you already have fact.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 08:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I KNOW!!! I was talking about "TEST the prediction"!!!

How do you do that? YOU TRY TO PROVE IT FALSE!!!
Prove it false, then move on with a hypothesis that might be better. If you cannot prove it false, then you have learned something new. The next hypothesis would be designed to test the limits of the new thing you learned, by proving the next hypotheses false. You learn more from proving a hypothesis false, than from confirming a hypothesis.
That's the scientific method.
You are literally confirming my point there.

What part of this claim do you think is wrong: "Scientists' most important goal is to disprove their own hypotheses and the hypotheses of other scientists. Science progresses by the hypotheses that survive, all the efforts to disprove them." ?

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There are LIMITS to free speech. You can just go to e.g. Wikipedia and find out:
"Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, false statements of fact, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also a category which is not protected as free speech."

Or you go to the source and read one of the U.S. Supreme Court opinions on the First Amendment.
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As an example: If you say to a hitman: "I would like my neighbor to die and I donate this $100,000 to you for a good cause." and then he kills your neighbor, that is still
the crime: 'conspiracy to commit murder'. You might say:
"No crime, free speech!", but then you are wrong.

Trump has been accused of three criminal conspiracies:
a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k); and
c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.

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When Trump said: "We're going to 'open up' libel laws..",
he was saying that the limits to free speech weren't strict enough, he wanted to make more speech illegal and make
it easier to sue people for libel. Trump hates free speech, unless it's HIS free speech.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 14:42 other posts of phart 
Where does it say all these things we can't say?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I Do not see any specific things that are prohibited here.
"or abridging the freedom of speech"

abridging,
"verb (used with object),a·bridged, a·bridg·ing. to shorten by omissions while retaining the basic contents: to abridge a reference book. to reduce or lessen in duration, scope, authority, etc.; diminish; curtail: to abridge a visit;to abridge one's freedom."

speech,
"the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds."

Freedom
"the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint."

So that tells me, I can utter any words I please.
What it does make me wonder is, can I PRINT IT,that is not a sound, BUT the amendment does include "PRESS" so that is the printed word.
so sure there is some thinking to do,but this freedom of speech thing needs to be addressed.
We do have freedom of speech here.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 17:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Constitution is not the only law you have dumb-ass!
And the first amendment is not the only amendment.
Having unlimited freedom of speech would negatively affect the freedoms and rights of other people. That's why freedom of speech is limited to those things that would negatively affect the freedoms and rights of other people: like obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, false statements of fact, and commercial speech such as advertising and defamation (libel).

Do you think child pornography isn't speech or that it should be legal?

Meanwhile, Republicans are banning books, so how about not abridging the freedom of speech?

And how about Trump opening up those libel laws then?

You're just showing complete ignorance of the law and hypocrisy.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 18:37 other posts of phart 
Uh, what part of what i wrote doesn't jive with you?
What other law? If there is a law that abridges freedom of speech, it is unconstitutional.
As for kidy porn,of course it is bad, but that is a issue with a crime against a person,not a noise or printed WORD.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Where does it say all these things we can't say?"

So you do understand that kiddy porn is bad, because that is a issue with a crime against a person. We are getting somewhere.

I explained below, how ALL the other limits to the things you can't say are an issue with a crime against another person.

FRAUD: When there is someone gaining from fraud, there is someone losing from that fraud. Money doesn't appear from thin air (unless a bank creates money, but than that money created is turned into a debt somewhere else). It comes from someone who is defrauded, who can be a customer, a random person with a money account, a business owner, shareholders, beneficiaries of a pension fund, the taxpayer and it is always everyone who does business honestly and is competing against people creating a higher return or getting benefits they don't get, by using fraud to their advantage.

SPEECH INTEGRAL TO ILLEGAL CONDUCT: Speech like: "How about I give you $1000 and you forget you saw me do a crime"? Or "We have to get rid of these stolen purses. Can you burn them in your incinerator? Sure, bring them in at 2:00 AM."

SPEECH THAT INCITES IMMINENT LAWLESS ACTION: "Let's go bomb the embassy! I'll go research the best way inside and you go research the recipes for bombs made with household ingredients." No direct crimes there, but that speech is still considered a crime, because there is a crime associated with it.

SPEECH THAT VIOLATES INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW: Creating a logo or name meant to confuse buyers into thinking they're buying the original brand. That is considered 'speech', while it's not saying anything with words. It is illegal, because it would be theft of customers that belong to the original brand.

TRUE THREATS: "If you want your wife and children to be safe, you'd better move your business elsewhere!"

FALSE STATEMENTS OF FACTS: "Dear shareholders, today we have acquired our biggest competitor in our market at a price we can recover in 1 year of our original turnover, but we expect this takeover will increase our revenue by 80%, within 6 months.", while the negotiations with the competitor has been paused, because their company value was insufficient at the time to buy the competitor. The false statement of facts will result in the stock price of the company shooting up, raising the company value, allowing them to buy the competitor.

COMMERCIAL SPEECH: "Our hair growth lotion has been proven to increase the hairy surface of the scalp, by 50% in 60% of the test subjects with progressed hair loss!", while they haven't done any research whatsoever and the product just contains grass extract.

DEFAMATION (LIBEL): "I would advise against hiring Tom Smith, because we caught him stealing our products and selling them on the black market. He has also sexually assaulted several of our female employees.", while that isn't true, but the person saying it has a grudge against Tom Smith, because he once got promotion that they felt entitled to.

OBSCENITY: I have some problem with this limit on free speech. What one would find obscene might be their opinion based on religion, and your Constitution says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." It would be 'law respecting an establishment of religion' to determine speech 'obscene' by basis of a religious opinion. Allowing that speech that some people might determine 'obscene' does NOT prohibit the free exercise of their religion. They can just not watch that 'obscene' material. Your free exercise of your religion stops, where the free exercise of someone else's religion (or lack thereof) begins. Unless the 'obscene' material damages someone, it shouldn't be censored. Even when it might be damaging to children, it's up to the parents to protect their children from seeing that material. Still, the person or entity displaying or providing the obscene material has a responsibility, withing reason, to prevent displaying or providing the obscene material to children.


By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:50
With free speech comes with responsibility. Such as being morally correct.
Yelling a fire in a crowded movie theater is against the law especially when YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE. You go to jail under disturbing the peace.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 10:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So, if I understand correctly, according to you, speech is only a crime, if you are doing another crime with it and then you can only be charged for the other crime and not the speech itself?
By #712828 at 09,Apr,24 16:57
Disturbing the peace and causing chaos by speaking is a crime. Using speech to disturb the peace is a crime. misdemeanor criminal offense. Punishable with fines/jail or both.
Committing a crime and disturbing the peace the penalties can be concurrent or consecutive depending on the offenses and/or judgement of the court.
It is against the law. hat Constitutes Disturbing the Peace?
States and local communities enact laws that make it a crime to create a public disturbance or commotion. Sometimes these crimes may be called disorderly conduct. These laws vary from state to state, so it makes sense to review the elements of the crime. Disturbing the peace laws typically prohibit:

Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place;
Using offensive language or "fighting words" in a public place that are likely to incite an immediate violent reaction;
Shouting in a public space intending to incite violence or unlawful activity;
Bullying a student on or near school grounds;
Knocking loudly on hotel doors of sleeping guests with the purpose of annoying them;
Holding an unlawful public assembly;
Shouting profanities, offensive words, or slurs out of a car window in front of a person's home over an extended period of time;
Allowing excessive dog barking in a residential area; and
Intentionally playing loud music during the night that continues, even after a fair warning.

In the case of Donald Trump since he has not been found guilty of anything and has been victimized with slander by the fake news complex it constitutes unlawful since they know it is not true thus disturbing the peace. What saves them is that they are corrupt up to the highest levels or courts here. It is against the law legally and morally but because of the justice system here there is no implementation. So Far.. But the constitution says what it says. You have these rights but it comes with responsibility when you are given power on any level including speech. Such as the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. You have this right but it does noy mean you can kill someone with it. Same principle.

By #712828 at 09,Apr,24 23:45
Disturbing the peace. You here are doing it mildly since what you are stating you know is untrue. Propaganda is a crime. Slander is a crime. Freedom requires responsibility and that includes free speach.
I've said Disturbing the peace 4 times now. What is so hard for you to understand other than you being stupid?
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 07:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, you did say ‘disturbing the peace’ 4 times, but you’re still not clear why you address that.
Freedom of speech is exactly the right to disturb the peace, as long as you’re not violently doing it or hurting anyone, in the way I described before.

Propaganda is not a limit of free speech or freedom of the press. Propaganda is defined as “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view”. If propaganda was illegal, every single media company would have long been canceled. The problem is that it is impossible to appoint or elect an independent, unbiased arbiter commission, that is tasked with deciding what is propaganda and what is not. Media companies are only legally culpable, if they violate those limits of free speech.

Indeed, slander is a crime. It's just another term for defamation and libel, which I already addressed.

You better understand that no media company can be trusted to report reality in an unbiased, objective manor. They are allowed by law TO LIE TO YOU, limited only by the categories I commented on before.

You accuse me of believing propaganda, but you're the one thinking that propaganda is a crime, which is terribly naive. I trust no one, unless they provide evidence, based on verifiable facts and logical arguments.

In the US, you still have the Society of Professional Journalists, who uphold the SPJ Code of Ethics, but they cannot legally act against propaganda, unless those limits of free speech are violated. What they do is making reports about all the media companies, including news outlets, and assess their adherence to the standards of ethical behavior. The are allowed to tell a news outlet that they cannot call themselves ‘News’ anymore.

Fox ‘News’ has been reprimanded many times by the Society of Professional Journalists. Here is an article of the SPJ saying “No responsible journalist can accept or excuse this behavior”; only registered users can see external links
“Text messages, emails and other recently disclosed court evidence in the case appear to show that popular prime-time Fox News hosts, with support from network executives, gave their viewers false and misleading information, apparently out of concern that fact-based reporting would damage the company’s brand, allowing competitors to siphon away viewers” is saying; Fox News is doing propaganda.
Fox 'News' doesn't care about the responsibility of using their free speech wisely, they were created by Rupert Murdoch with the sole purpose of promoting right-wing political views, with biassed and misleading reporting. (awaiting your false equivalence fallacy).
By #712828 at 12,Apr,24 23:12
Disturbing the peace is against the law. What part of law do you not understand. The laws in our constitution designate Socratic law based on moral correctness (one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.) Why UNDER GOD? Moral correctness.
You need to go back to school to study humanities before you can debate here. Education is not how much you know but how humbled you are in terms of having the desire to learn. You have yet to impress me with this injunction.

Oh and by the way. Everytime you praised the fake news in such a way displays your unrelenting fucked up belief that they are telling the truth. You make me sick to my stomach. Im so glad you are not an american. Speaking as an american you are not welcomed here. Not if I could help it. I don't want you here. We have enough problems with treason to worry about. Stay there.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 10:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all" Is the Pledge of Allegiance, not The Constitution. Your founders didn't make up the 'under God' part, that was added on June 14, 1954, under President Dwight Eisenhower. Did Eisenhower explain his basis on Socratic law or moral correctness on that? No, he just wanted to fuck with the secular nature, in everything that your founders ever created and intended. They all rolled over in their graves that day.

Every time this idiot tried to present some facts, he was wrong.
Now he's gone again. Let's see if he comes back.






By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:58
In this country the constitution is EVERYTHING. You are not from this country so who the fuck are you to tell us our laws of the United States of America especially when you get everything wrong? Learn about your country first. For fuck sakes.

I'm not going to call you stupid anymore. From now on I will use the term "Very Stupid" If you want socialism then do it to your country. Don't believe in God and fuck off to hell.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 10:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know how you say you value The Constitution, but i see your side ignoring most in it constantly. You only pick the parts you like and interpret those parts in the way you like. You don't even know the meaning and intent of most parts.

You're not the only country that has a Constitution and you are not in the position to make inferences on how much I value MY Constitution.

At this very moment, it is an incredibly hot issue in Dutch politics, because in our last election a right-wing populist party has received the majority of votes (23.6%) and seats (37) in our House of Representatives. They are now responsible to form a cabinet with other parties, searching for agreements for a political program. That party has made very unconstitutional remarks and tried many times to enact very unconstitutional policies and has now promised to respect our constitution so other parties would want to negotiate with them. I oppose their political views for the most part, but I respect democracy enough to give them a chance to improve our country with policies they would find majority support for. Still, I will be watching them like a hawk.

You have no idea how much I know about politics in my own country, so your demand to me to learn about my country first is baseless.




By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 15:50
If you KNEW scientific method you would have defined it. You didn't. All you gave was bullshit.

Prove what false? You are confusing things. Here in USA it is innocent but if found guilty then it is true otherwise it is false. Everything is FALSE unless it is proven to be true.
Critical reasoning and constitutional law is based on socratic prinsiple. Difference between logical vs. doing the right thing. I believe this is the best way. Corruption in our country is destroying us and since USA is super power it will affect you too. You support this outcome. Why
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 17:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I literally had this picture on my profiles for 2 years, celebrating the scientific method and explaining it to people here, and you think you have to sum up the steps to me? Stop being ridiculous.



Also two years ago, I talked about recognizing fallacies, which is an important skill in critical reasoning.

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The Socratic method is a form of argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions. It's a technique, where critical reasoning is used to show people why the are mistaken, and asking questions to make them think further. This is not a basis for constitutional law.

Are you kidding that I support corruption? I have been telling people here about why the US is corrupt, for years. You are correct, your corruption is hurting my country too. Why would I want to raise awareness of it, if I favor corruption?
By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:51
I don't look at your pictures. You're not my type.
It is false until you prove true. How simpler do you need it to be?
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 11:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Positive proof only exists in math.
Everything else is plausible until proven false.
You show your ignorance of science over and over.
Or, you are just lazy, putting the burden of proof on everyone else.







By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 09:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"You don't believe in God therefore inspiration to you does not exist. What would be the point?"
That's bullshit, I'm inspired by actual truth, not the delusion of truth.

Well, at least some people can get inspiration from the bible:
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Very much applicable to topics on this site.

"Socialism has never worked, never. So after 100s of attempts you still create this stupidity."
Again, BULLSHIT, even your own country, which might be the most capitalist country in the world, still progressed from implementing SOCIALIST policies, like; social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment compensation, K-12 education, housing subsidies, food assistance, veteran healthcare, most infrastructure, the fire department, the police, the military. All publicly funded, so everyone has access to them, rich and poor alike. That has massively increased chances for people.

Now look at all the privately funded (capitalism) necessities of life, like your healthcare insurance which is is the most expensive in the world and still leaves Americans with the decision between death or debt.
Or the education after 12, which is the most expensive in the world. The US ranked #1 in education, in the 1960s and 1970s, because you publicly funded it (socialism).
Now you have privatized (capitalism) a lot of your education, you are falling in the rankings a lot. You're now ranked #20.
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Those 19 countries beating you on education all have more SOCIALIST education.
That's socialism working and capitalism failing!

"Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?"
Israel is 76 years old, what are you talking about?
Egypt has existed as an empire for 5000 years.
China has been united as one empire for over 2200 years.
What is the thing that you wanted to link to the perseverance of an empire throughout history?
By #712828 at 08,Apr,24 19:52
Israel is not 76 years old. Israel is over 6000 years old.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 11:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
At best you can say that the Israelites were a people from the earliest around 1200 BCE. The were a tribe of settlers sharing the area that now is Israel with several other tribes. There was a Kingdom of Israel (Samaria), whose beginnings can be dated back to the first half of the 10th century BCE, but it was much smaller than the current state of Israel, which was declared independent by themselves on 14 May 1948 and was admitted to the United Nations (UN) as a full member state on 11 May 1949.

It's bullshit to assign that area of land to one specific tribe of primitives wandering around 6000 years ago, over all the other tribes of wandering primitives in the same area.
You could not even distinguish them from the others by genetic ancestry and they hadn't even created their religion until 1800 BCE.

So what is your basis for claiming Israel is over 6000 years old?
Pure ignorance and religious dogma, not logical reasoning.

In any case, your remark "Israel has persevered throughout history, why is that?" is still hanging in the air.
So, I'll catch it from the air.

The IDEA of Israel, persevering throughout history, can be attributed to one thing only; RELIGION. Two surviving religions claiming a specific area as important to their religions. Religions are a strong motivation for lots of ideas. That provides no basis for thinking there is any truth or logic to those ideas. People have been completely wrong and ignorant about everything for thousands of years.

Religions were the first attempt to create some kind of order in the chaos of beliefs. Those beliefs were still mostly wrong and often god-awful. Humanity only started to lose some of its primitive instincts and behavior when it developed philosophy and only started to exchange ignorance with knowledge when it developed science. In the meantime, religion has been mostly an obstacle in the development beyond its originally useful unifying effect. It's only creating division now. I hope humanity will lose the need for religion and replace it with secular humanism.
By #712828 at 10,Apr,24 01:13
Israel is 5784 years old. The nation was in Caanan before it was illegally exiled. It was recognized in 1948 officially by the UN but beforehand it was there and was confirmed by Koran Muslim nations. Israel is older than Egypt.
In Henbrew Israel's meaning is a path, the shortest road to God.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 14:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you know how many people have been 'illegally exiled' from the land they were born in, in the last 5784 years? If that provided any claim to a piece of land historically owned by genetic, cultural or religious ancestors, we could all claim every piece of land from everyone else.

If 'Israel' was IN Caanan, than it wasn't a state.
There were some people living in that general area who spoke the Paleo-Hebrew language, but they are not even in the top 5 of earliest written languages. The Egyptians were 2nd, after the Sumerians. Their religion is at best 3800 years old and the claims to a state of Israel ar purely based on religion. I can believe that god has promised me a particular place to live, but that doesn't make it true.

The people who moved to the new state of Israel, after 1948 had mostly one thing in common; their religion. They came from Russia, Yemen, Iraq, Europe and the US, many after having lived in those other parts of the world for hundreds of years, mixing with the local population. Their genetic ancestry from the original people who lived in the area that we now call Israel, is mostly more deviant, than the genetic ancestry of the Palestinians who lived there.

But, I have good news for you; the descendant of a Navajo native American would like you to move, because your house stands on his forefather's soil. I'm sure you would be happy to accept his claim.
By #712828 at 11,Apr,24 22:39
Officially in Quran Muslims recognized Israel, Look it up yourself. Stated that Allah himself opened the Red Sea. Know Stick with facts before wasting both our times.

I should be getting paid for this especially when you don't address topics and assertions from which I am presenting here. I have to repeat myself while you cling to your pride thinking you know more. Trust me, you don't.

Torah was written before Christ by 4000 years describing the true nature of existence in 5 dimensions. Do you know what they are? You can't since your atheistic limitations prohibit you from understanding.

Israel does not have borders. It represents reality as to what we define the term life. The meaning is within our desires to achieve utopia by which our goals are to create altruism in perfect moral form through the will to bestow. Compassion is growth into a better moral state, knowledge and understanding. God wants us to become him by combining ourselves with that goal.

Jew is an abbreviation derived from the area once called Judea in ancient times. Israel is called Israel with their flag from 1948 but it always existed not only for Jews but for all God's creations. You included whether you believe it or not. It does matter. We were born to form God's image through the path of Israel.

Since your reasoning is limited, I can understand why you think the way you do. You think in 3 dimensions but actually the universe is 5. It's hard for you because you just don't see it or don't want to see. Like the blind that can't see.

Countries are man made and political. They are false To divert the truth. Why do you think especially in Palestine why the education is so fucked up. Europe knew the world was round but censored free speech by telling you it was flat. You probably still think that.

Learn your facts not political bullshit that makes you want to believe in truth when it is far from that.
By Maxwell_93 at 11,Apr,24 22:56 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Just we just fund someone already? LMT is stalling out

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 08:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Quran is based on the prophecies of Muhammad, beginning in 610 CE when the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in the cave of Hira, near the city of Mecca. Muslims believe that Muhammad continued to receive revelations until his death in 632 CE.
That's at the earliest 1414 years ago, indeed far later than Jews created their religion, which includes their claim on their promised land; Israel. That doesn't support your claim that Israel is 5784 years old.

"Torah was written before Christ by 4000 years"
Every source I found disagrees with you.
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What is your source? Are you so falsely confident about what you think you know, that you don't even check the internet, before you advertise your ignorance for all to see?

"Israel does not have borders. It represents reality as to what we define the term life. The meaning is within our desires to achieve utopia..." I thought you were a Christian, but you sound like someone caring about expanding the Jewish religion much more. At least you are making one thing clear for me; no matter how much Israel steals land from the Palestinians and other neigboring states, you will see that as a 'desire to achieve utopia'. And then you are talking about altruism and compassion again, when Israel is killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold.

We are living in a universe with 4 dimensions; 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time, which are relative to each other, why it's known as space-time. Physicists have proposed a hypothesis called 'string theory' (which is not accepted as an actual scientific theory), which requires 10 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time to make it mathematically feasible. That's the only limited evidence there is for any idea that there are more than 4 dimensions. No serious scientist, that I'm aware of, has proposed a fifth dimension. You must be referring to some weird pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo or your own religious indoctrination inspired brain-farts.

"Countries are man made and political...." Saying something true and then you're going off your rocker again. At one time you are defending the law, the next time you are completely discarding it. Yes, countries are a invention of humanity, just like laws, with the purpose of maintaining order, resolving disputes, and protecting liberties and rights. Do you think it's alright if religions challenge international law? How about your own law? Did you read your Constitution?

Flat earth is a religious idea based on a literal interpretation of the BIBLE. It's absolute hypocrisy to accuse an atheist of being capable of believing that religiously inspired pseudo-science bullshit. If anyone has a predilection towards religiously inspired pseudo-science bullshit, it's you, with your 5 dimensions!



















By phart at 08,Apr,24 20:09 other posts of phart 
did anyone figure out the duck stuff?
I don't know why I am wondering,most folks don't give a quack
By #712828 at 10,Apr,24 01:14
they don't.









By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 04:54
Phart, you are wrong. I was taught that Africans WERE enslaved by other Africans. Not a good thing, but, if there had not been a market (white slave traders) there would have been much less slaves.
Why do you deny how discriminated blacks have been in this country?
By phart at 29,Mar,24 12:15 other posts of phart 
I don't deny it, I deny they were victims strictly of the white man ,they seem to never acknowledge that themselves.
By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 21:35
In this country, and that's all that matters in this conversation, the exploiters WERE the white.
By phart at 29,Mar,24 23:26 other posts of phart 
NOT ALL CAT< and I dare you to show me where this is taught in school.
In 1830, there were 3,775 black (including mixed-race) slaveholders in the South who owned a total of 12,760 slaves, which was a small percentage of a total of over two million slaves then held in the South. 80% of the black slaveholders were located in Louisiana, South Carolina, Virginia and Maryland.

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By #610414 at 30,Mar,24 13:07
You are fixated on trying to prove that SOME blacks were despicable human beings. Why would it be different than what was happening in Africa. But, you just said it yourself. That was less than 1%, but that's not what I'm talking about. I was taught in school, at junior high, that the KKK was lynching black men, in the South, for whistling at white women. That was happening in the first half of the 20th century. I was taught about the blue laws where blacks had to sit at the rear of the bus. I was taught how blacks had to drink from a water fountain dedicated just for them. I was taught how blacks couldn't sit in a southern lunch counter with whites. I was taught that blacks couldn't stay in a white hotel.
You can make all kinds of arguments about who got taught what where, but, Blacks are STILL being discriminated against and you are proof of it.
By phart at 31,Mar,24 01:41 other posts of phart 
I don't discriminate against blacks, i discriminate against whites and blacks that meet the definition of the n word.
i have put white in front of the n word many a time in my life.
MANY white people are far more disgusting than most blacks.
By #610414 at 31,Mar,24 15:22
What is the "N" word?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'Naggers'
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Another brilliant South Park episode indeed.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 12:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's personal, I would do the same. I'm talking about all your side's attempts
to cancel every company that ever said or did something woke.

I must admit that the Bud Light ban did some damage to Anheuser-Busch InBev, for a while, but they are already doing better than before the controversy.
Of course, sending a transgender a few beers and them liking it online isn't as bad as bankrupting the cult-leader. However, there is no recent news, that I can find, that the truckers are actually doing anything.

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Last updated: March 6. Not even a ripple, as of yet. I'm waiting in suspense.


By phart at 22,Mar,24 18:12 other posts of phart 
you can add Tyson foods to my personal boycott list, they are hiring "asylum seekers" instead of US citizens
I know you won't see a issue with that.
But the fact of the matter is it is a loophole for the democrats to have "slaves" legally.
that is the real reason most democrats support illegal immigrants, they are to lazy to work and want servitude and dependency on them by the illegals
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you are boycotting every company that uses 'illegals', you will starve.
Instead of spending $25 billion to try to close 2067 miles of border, it would be much much cheaper to hire an army of labor inspectors, to crack down on the companies who use illegals as cheap labor.
That will also result in safer workplaces. It's much better for everyone.
By phart at 22,Mar,24 22:14 other posts of phart 
closing the gate, would be quick and easy.And cheaper.
By #610414 at 27,Mar,24 17:09
Ok, Phart, tell us how you would close the gate. BTW, did you listened to Mexico’s president telling the Clown that there are tunnels running from Mexico to the US under the Border Patrol areas?
By phart at 27,Mar,24 23:46 other posts of phart 
sounds like we need to evacuate the patrol areas and use some bunker busters.
By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 03:46
Well? Why didn't the Clown do that?
By phart at 29,Mar,24 12:07 other posts of phart 
I guess he didn't want to start a war.Because you know mexico would be upset we were taking out their shadow government,the cartels.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 09:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're not taking out the cartels, you are funding them, with the most addicts in the world and your refusal to legalize tax and regulate drug and to treat drug addiction as a health crisis.
By tecsan at 13,Apr,24 07:15 other posts of tecsan 
I am not funding the cartels dumb ass wake up, joey is the one doing that. Find me a Republican that agrees with the idiot. h
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Apr,24 15:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
HOW? How does joey fund cartels? Come up with some argument,
instead of just flipping everything.
By tecsan at 15,Apr,24 08:17 other posts of tecsan 
The motherfucker lets people cross the border and the cartels charge for letting one cross. The open border allows cartels to get drugs into our Ccountry. An open border allows cartels to get young kids in the Country for sex-trafficing. Think I should stop, this is fucking ludicrous.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 08:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Biden is stopping more drugs coming in to your country than Trump.
There is a bill in the house, that would give you almost everything
you want, but Trump blocked it, because that would be a win for Biden.
That's Trump letting in those immigrants, not Biden.
Securing the border costs money. Republicans are blocking that money.

Your nonsense should stop, this is fucking ludicrous.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:32 other posts of phart 
read the bill, there is some pork added ,that's why the republicans didn't go with it, get your facts right.,
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ever seen a bill without pork? That's what they do.
Take what you can get, or get nothing.
By phart at 16,Apr,24 19:28 other posts of phart 
The dems got what they wanted, the bill failed because the repubicans were not going to support the "pork". THe dems are saying,"it's their fault" when it is really not.
The dems could present a stand alone bill addressing a particular problem and get bi partisans support but THEY DON"T WANT IT< they want division, and hate and fighting and confusion for the voters.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Like what? If Democrats want to let in all the illegals and all the drugs, like you lot are saying, how is this bill giving them what they want?

The division is 100% coming from your side. Your side doesn't want to work together on anything. If the speaker of the house even works together to keep the lights on in the government, then the brainless crew throws him out. It toke 15 voting rounds to elect Kevin McCarthy, then they threw him out for not agreeing with stupid shit that even many Republicans would vote against and would instantly die in the senate. Now Mike Johnson is on the chopping block. I hope MTG kicks him out. The spectacle after that will do fantastic damage to your party.

You can twist it as much as you want, but the bill is a massive restriction on all sorts of immigrants coming in to your country.
Biden challenged Republicans, by giving away those massive restrictions and they are not taking it because it would give him 'a win' according to Trump himself. You are just buying in to all the lies.
Well, it's a trap; Democrats will spend billions of dollars in ads telling American voters what Republicans have blocked, dropping the responsibility for any border problems on Trump. It won't work on you, nothing will, but it will work on independents.

Here's the bill:
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What is it that gives Democrats that open border?

Is it in the summary?

- requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume activities to construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border;
- provides statutory authorization for Operation Stonegarden, which provides grants to law enforcement agencies for certain border security operations;
- prohibits DHS from processing the entry of non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) arriving between ports of entry;
- limits asylum eligibility to non-U.S. nationals who arrive in the United States at a port of entry;
- authorizes the removal of a non-U.S. national to a country other than that individual's country of nationality or last lawful habitual residence, whereas currently this type of removal may only be to a country that has an agreement with the United States for such removal;
- expands the types of crimes that may make an individual ineligible for asylum, such as a conviction for driving while intoxicated causing another person's serious bodily injury or death;
- authorizes DHS to suspend the introduction of certain non-U.S. nationals at an international border if DHS determines that the suspension is necessary to achieve operational control of that border;
- prohibits states from imposing licensing requirements on immigration detention facilities used to detain minors;
- authorizes immigration officers to permit an unaccompanied alien child to withdraw their application for admission into the United States even if the child is unable to make an independent decision to withdraw the application;
- imposes additional penalties for overstaying a visa; and
- requires DHS to create an electronic employment eligibility confirmation system modeled after the E-Verify system and requires all employers to use the system.


By tecsan at 17,Apr,24 06:28 other posts of tecsan 
Some of the pork may me spoiled which makes it impossible to ingest.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You have no clue, you're just saying shit.
They told you it's bad, so you parrot that.
There is no way that even informed yourself
on one detail about what's actually in that bill.
I listened to my 'liberal media' telling me DETAILS.
And just reading the summary shows me they didn't lie.
Your media doesn't do details, they just tell you what to think.




By tecsan at 16,Apr,24 07:57 other posts of tecsan 
You only twist the facts. Sure joey can close the border at certain times, but would he???Think you know the answer to that! I dont know the where of your facts, but joey lets drugs pour across the border. You may find some left wing facts that claim validity. Hell, just look at cnn or msdnc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 07:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If I'm twisting facts, SHOW THAT WITH FACTS!






By phart at 13,Apr,24 23:05 other posts of phart 
-I am not funding cartels,I want the fuckers DEAD. Bomb them away.
I want people sober,happy,productive,fuctional.
NOT high,sick,depressed,dead,strung out from drugs legal or illegal.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Apr,24 15:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
WHY are people high, sick, depressed and addicted in the US?

You think it's because there is drugs everywhere and that you can solve it by bombing cartels. Even if you succeed in closing down the border, drugs will just be produced in the US, like the bulk of fentanyl and amfetamines. As long as people want drugs, there will always be a supply. Drugs is and has been easier to buy than a loaf of bread.

In my country, it's even easier, because it will never send you to jail.
Still, the drugs problem is worst in the US, compared with all EU countries.
Until, you understand why that is, bombing cartels and killing dealers,
won't ever work. Your society is sick and it's the ideas you support
that caused that sickness. Drug addiction is just a symptom.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:46 other posts of phart 
Drug addiction is preventable. Keep the illegal drugs away!
and severally punish those that use and sell them.
Horse thieves were hung back in the old days those people didn't steal anymore horses.
hang or bomb a drug dealer, he won't sell any more drugs.
You think people "resort" to drugs because there is no other "alternative". That is wrong. People take drugs and get hooked on them because it is the "hip" thing to do, drugs. They get hooked and people like you want to keep them that way because they will vote to support your ideas and the people that allow them to remain high and disabled from working.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 08:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I asked you WHY are people high, sick, depressed and addicted in the US?

It's not because the US is the only country that's not succeeding in keeping the illegal drugs away!

Is drugs a "hip" thing to do in your country and not in all those EU countries?

What is different in your country, from EU countries, for real?
Cut the crap and think for a moment.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:44 other posts of phart 
What is different is some people can't watch and learn and think they are to smart to get hooked.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And that's just in your country? Try again!













By tecsan at 23,Mar,24 04:33 other posts of tecsan 
Very few are asylum seekers (probably less than 1%). They are illegal and broke the law. I wonder how many are from prisons or terrorists. Most do not want anything to do with work, they just are coming here because biden told them to. I prefer to eat something a terrorist had no contact with. I agree phart, no more tyson crap for me.
By phart at 23,Mar,24 17:42 other posts of phart 
folks don't seem to care that the prisons and insane
asylums in these countries have been dumped out and are spilling over into the US. If these folks can't behave and be assets to their own countries, what makes libs think they will be a asset to ours?
By #610414 at 27,Mar,24 17:12
You are taking an ASSUMPTION and interpolating that into another assumption. One may be partially true. The second one is pure 💩


By #610414 at 27,Mar,24 17:10
Tecsan, most are regular people looking for “the milk and honey” just like your ancestors did too.
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 03:55 other posts of tecsan 
CAT I believe my ancestors were looking for FREEDOM. The illegals are looking for exploitation of anything they can get for free. Some are even looking to cause deatth and destruction because they know they can in libtard cities.
By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 04:05
"the milk and honey" includes freedom. You are too blind to the fact that most people are decent, hard working Joes and Janes. And it doesn't matter from where they come from.
Tecsan, where were your ancestors from?
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 06:43 other posts of tecsan 
Just one murderer or terrorist is too damn many. Vet them first. Do not just let them flood in the Country. Even you are probably taking advantage of the liberal system. Yet you use to like capitalism a while back. Yes some are decent, but find out who the bad ones are first. I know one can never be 100% sure but we should try to find out instead of letting them all through. You like them, I bet we could send some your way. Oh, I forgot you live in a conservative state as far as I can figure.
By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 12:06
Tecsan, I live in Miami-Dade County, Florida. The URL is from DCF. The report is from the last 8 yrs or so.

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Refugee Services Statistics

Statistics for Florida 2022

Counts of Immigration Status PDF
Counts of Status + Origin by County PDF
Counts of Origin by Age Groups PDF
These numbers include newly arrived refugees as well as refugees, entrants, and asylees who first became eligible for our services in that Federal Fiscal Year (FFY), which runs from October 1 to September 30.

Populations

158,794 refugees arrived or became eligible for Refugee Services in the last Federal Fiscal year.

Cuba, Haiti, Ukraine, and Afghanistan were the top nationalities of new refugees in the last Federal Fiscal year.

224,388 refugees arrived or became eligible for Refugee Services for the last 5 years (2017-2021).

Counts per Fiscal Year by County PDF
We received refugees from 81 different countries last year.

88 percent of refugees were Cubans.

55 percent of refugees settled in Miami-Dade.

199,481 refugees received services being funded by Refugee Services in the last Federal Fiscal year. [unduplicated number of refugees who got one or more services]

About 500,000 Cubans, many of them businessmen and professionals, arrived in Miami during a 15-year period after the 1959 Cuban Revolution. Some figures in Fulgencio Batista's administration were among those who arrived in Miami. The Miami Cubans received assimilation aid from the federal government. The Cubans established businesses in Miami. The Cubans arriving after 1980 did so primarily because of economic reasons.[2] In 1960, the hispanic population in Miami was 50,000; in 1980, the hispanic population grew to 580,000. Cubans were the main source of this hispanic growth in the city, as many Cubans came to Miami at the time due to Cuba's poor economy and a high poverty rate, as well as the dictatorship of Fidel Castro at the time.[3] Essentially, the coexistence of growth and internationalization within Miami-Dade County has perpetuated an ethnically-driven social polarization.[4] The growing number of Cubans in the county have remained loyal to their cultural norms, mores, customs, language, and religious affiliations. The transnational force of immigration defines Miami as a growing metropolis, and the 20th century Cuban influx has greatly affected Miami's growth.[1]
As of 2012, there were 1.2 million people of Cuban heritage in Greater Miami, most of whom lived in Miami-Dade County. As of that year, about 400,000 had arrived after 1980.[2] In a 2022 estimate, Greater Miami, showed a slight decrease to about 1,112,592.[5] As of the 2020 census, there were 129,896 Cuban Americans living inside Miami city limits, representing about 29.3% of Miami and nearly half of the city's Hispanic/Latino population.[6] Many Miami suburbs like Hialeah, and many others especially in southern Miami-Dade county, are majority Cuban.

So, you see, South Florida, from the Palm Beaches to the Florida Keys, has grown to an international power house thanks to illegals that are hard working family people with a strong Christian ethic. The rest of Florida, except for two or three cities, remains a backwater hick, good old boy, conservative enclave that needs yearly help from my area of the state.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:51 other posts of phart 
How many illegal chinese immigrants over our border
37,000
While a record 2.5 million migrants were detained at the United States' southwestern land border in 2023, only about 37,000 were from China. I'm a scholar of migration and China. What I find most remarkable in these figures is the speed with which the number of Chinese migrants is growing.Mar 11, 2024

that was googled.

Now, china has flown balloons over our military bases, hacked into computer systems, and so many other things, now they are sending people over here to infiltrate and take jobs in key places, possibly to take jobs in places that would allow them to hack and disable American infrastructure for a war effort from china. do you not see this potential?
With everything being made in china,there should be plenty of jobs.
By #610414 at 14,Apr,24 19:14
You see a bogaboo under every bed. Have you thought that Chaina is a dictatorship with very limited set of freedoms?
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:44 other posts of phart 
Like it hasn't got better in the past few years than it has ever been?
They are building military bases in africa,cuba,and elsewhere.
citys going up like trees. They have industrialized entire countrys in africa bringing them out of poverty and making use of the natural resources that were otherwise going to waste.
China is MUCH better off than it was way back when.you really ought to do some googling.


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By #610414 at 15,Apr,24 00:12
It still doesn't ease the pain and suffering of living under a dictatorship.






By phart at 14,Apr,24 16:48 other posts of phart 
If those people crossing illegally were decent' hard working joes and janes, they would respect our immigration system and come thru properly instead of storming our border like it was Normandy.
Decent people don't disrespect law and order.
Decent people don't steal and tear up private property and squat in homes that are not theirs.
Illegals are illegally here and need to be sent back.
By #610414 at 14,Apr,24 19:21
Phart, why don't you Google how many entry visas per year are available to Central and South Americans. Don't forget to Google how long it takes to get one. Then, come back with that dumbass comment.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:47 other posts of phart 
Who gives a damn how long it takes to get 1? Do it right and be legal or BE GONE!
By #610414 at 15,Apr,24 00:17
No more than seven percent of total visas may be issued to any one country in a fiscal year, but that doesn’t mean that one country is entitled to that seven percent. Instead, it means that no country can receive more than seven percent of all the visas issued. For that reason, countries like Mexico, India, China and the Philippines can have a much longer wait time than other places. Like all other countries, they are limited to seven percent of the total visas being issued, but they have so many more applicants who are applying for the spots.

Like I've said, "You have no compassion"
By phart at 15,Apr,24 03:39 other posts of phart 
We don't need them here.
They need to make their own country better.
By #610414 at 15,Apr,24 12:06
We didn't need your ancestors either, but, we welcomed them. Did you forget what it says on the Statue of Liberty? Give us your poor, etc.?
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:48 other posts of phart 
I am all but ready to send Her back to France . She is being exploited.
By #610414 at 15,Apr,24 17:18
Wrong answer. There's no time frame and there never was. You just don't want other people to have what this country gave to your ancestors........and you.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:34 other posts of phart 
Well,you are leaving out alot
My ancestors can be traced back to coming in by New York and going thru the process of becoming LEGAL citizens the right way.Not swimming a river and running thru a fence and hiding from the law.
By #610414 at 16,Apr,24 01:23
Becoming legal? You don't even know the history of Ellis Island. Hahaha













By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Probably less than 1% are asylum seekers?
Of course not, almost all of them want to get (are seeking) asylum.

What you are trying to say is that only 1% would qualify for asylum.
That might be true, but that's dependent on the laws, isn't it?
If the law would say everyone who asks for asylum gets it,
then it would be 100%, wouldn't it?





By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 01:46
You are so fucking unbelievable, not even from this country. Your ignorance continues to swallow up your soul like a putrid parasite. You still don't get it. Even with a 50 IQ person with at least a heart would have understood our conversations.
I can't say how I feel about you because you are unimportant and I must work on this as learning. Some is your fault but what makes you so ignorant is you refuse to accept it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Still only found one argument to contradict me; "not even from this country",
which all right-wingers have used before.

You are from the US, so you should have no problem coming up with better arguments than Ad Hominem fallacies.

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By Cody8789 at 05,May,24 05:08 other posts of Cody8789 
It’s already run down in the toilet


By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:16 other posts of tecsan 
Now what do you think of that idiot moron enogoron Ananas2xLekker ?
By #712828 at 31,Mar,24 04:24
He is a person with deep feelings of Trump Derrangement. There is no cure I'm afraid.

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Apr,24 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
As opposed to what I thought of him before?
A bit strange, but since that idiot moron managed to outsmart Trump and Alina Habba, what does that make them?



By #610414 at 25,Mar,24 17:18
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By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:22 other posts of tecsan 
I guess that is better than supporting terrorists like hamas or apologizing for calling a murderer an illegal.
By #610414 at 27,Mar,24 16:34
You, Tecsan have a twisted way of showing your love for democracy and your country.
By tecsan at 29,Mar,24 06:54 other posts of tecsan 
So do you. I do not leach off of taxpayers.
By #610414 at 29,Mar,24 21:39
Does that mean every retired person receiving Social Security and Medicare is a leach? Tecsan, you should run for President as a Repucker.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 10:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Repuckers don't actually believe what they are saying, like tecsan does,
they just spout their propaganda 24/7, to make people like tecsan think
they deserve nothing and the wealthy donors to the Repucker party
are entitled to everything.

He thinks there should be no unions, because if your employer exploits you,
you can just find another job. Where? For another employer that exploits you.

Surely, they want the state to help employers to make you work until you die.

It's all propaganda for the wealthy, who don't want to pay for anything
you have a right to, like a retirement or healthcare or an education
for your children or paid vacation or a wage you can actually live on.

They want you to work as much as you can, as hard as you can, for as long
as you can, as cheaply as possible, while they live in a golden lazyland.

He's just being a good cuck for the wealthy and the Repuckers who serve them.
By #610414 at 03,Apr,24 12:56
So true. Tecsan has been like this since I first met him. He practically salivated when the Clown cut taxes. He thought it was for him and like people. Talk about drinking the CoolAid. 😵

By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:39 other posts of phart 
Unions only collect dues from those higher wages and then use them to lobby congress.
So if you support unions, you are supporting elected officials getting bought and paid for. regardless if you agree with what they do or not.
Union dues would go along way towards paying house payments and paying off student loan debt.
Unions also require their members to strike,which affects their income while it last rather they agree or not.
Unions also affect peoples choices of where to work. It is difficult to get a job in a industry that is unionized without joining the cult ,i mean union.

Back 100 years ago, a union may have served a purpose. but there is osha now for safety and minimum wages laws in place. no longer needed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
True, unions are the 9th biggest sector lobbying your politicians.
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They are lobbying in favor of union members and workers in general.
The biggest lobbying sector is the Finance/Insurance/Real Estate Sector.
Do you think that's in favor of workers in general or their clients or home owners?

You are a fool for thinking safety and minimum wage is no longer an issue worth lobbying the government for. The employers are still lobbying the government to relax safety laws and lower minimum wage. They would love to kill and starve their employees, and you would love to let them, BECAUSE MAGA!




By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Apr,24 10:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump does! He has ben scamming the tax-payer for decades.

You pay in to Social Security and Medicare as tax-payer and get the benefits from it when you reach the required age.
That's not leeching, that's a social contract.
You pay your taxes and then THEY OWE YOU!
By #610414 at 06,Apr,24 19:17
They owe you but, they also OWN you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you actually have democracy, you own THEM.
If you have socialism, you ARE them.
I support the latter and joined them.


By phart at 07,Apr,24 02:55 other posts of phart 
Yea, they owe us, but they tossed all those funds into the general fund and eliminated the fund setup for the social security. If the gov goes tits up, their goes our money.
They might owe you and indoctrinate you to think if you get hurt they will pay you to.. They make it next to impossible to get the disability. My attorney represented 2 quadriplegics that finally got theirs on the second appeal.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Apr,24 10:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"If the gov goes tits up, their goes our money."
Which entities go tits up more often, the government or private banks?

I know many people on disability. Sure, it has become harder to claim your right
to disability, but you would have had no trouble at all to get it in my country.

By #610414 at 08,Apr,24 12:32
The use of SS funds to pay for general funds expenses was brought to us courtesy of the Repuckers.
By phart at 08,Apr,24 14:34 other posts of phart 
My attorney explained to me that obama's admin made changes that made my particular case difficult.
My attorney said that obama's changes made his job much more difficult.
By #610414 at 08,Apr,24 14:49
The changes that happened during the Obama’s administration was not about the money when it came to the “disabled” category. It was to change the parameters of what qualifies as a disability. WOODY is classified as “disabled” due to more than 5 different reasons caused, mostly, by the work he did, smoking, cardiovascular problems, severe rheumatism and a childhood desease that cause infirmity in the lower extremities (legs). He had to sue SS and won. The problem was that before you could get disability for reasons like having a hangnail. The costs were astronomical and by that time it was well known SS had a limited life span if something wasn’t done to fund it for ever. The problem was that Repuckers mainly, but, Dumbocrats too, did not want to stop funding PORK.









By White_Mamba at 29,Apr,24 01:39 other posts of White_Mamba 
Desantis is the probable VP. According to CNN, Trump has a 6 point lead in the popular vote as of today..
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Apr,24 11:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
DeSantis wouldn't be a smart pick for Trump, he's the third most unpopular governor
in your whole country.

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By White_Mamba at 29,Apr,24 18:56 other posts of White_Mamba 
Floridians are divided over their support for DeSantis, with 51% saying they approve of what he’s done since winning the 2018 gubernatorial election, according to the survey results. That means just 5% of Florida voters are undecided.

The survey found DeSantis has the highest approval rating among Republicans nationwide (84%), over every other GOP governor.

All I can say to your post is to Don't Worry Be happy---Bob Marley
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Apr,24 14:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Then he must be incredibly unpopular with Democrats and independents, to account for that incredible difference between his popularity among Republican voters and his general disapproval ratings.

Neither president can win with just pandering to his own base alone. The VP pick
is not the most important thing, and I wouldn't say Biden has a bright star as VP,
but Trumpists shouldn't be surprised if Trump loses, when he picks DeSantis.
The guy has negative charisma, every time people see him, they dislike him more.

But, I hope he does, because I want Trump to lose.
Better yet, I want him to go to prison, before he can even run.
By White_Mamba at 30,Apr,24 19:42 other posts of White_Mamba 
Just as unpopular as Mike Johnson is with the democrats. The bad ones occupy all democratic domaign as well as 90% of republican. That means 95% of legislation here in the United States are against their constituency.
Negative Charisma to you. Not to the voting majority. You don't even get to vote. All of western Europe is dominated with Left policy. You've been well embodied with government domanence.
If Trump does take the election with Desantis as VP you will witness domination of the white house for the next 12 years. What I believe is that this was planned all along. Pretending to be enemies during the primaries with propaganda mildly attacking each other on the outside but on the inside planning to take back the country which is bleeding out. You're all left wing but your national sovereignty is intact. Not here. This country has been flayed alive of its national sovereignty from Biden that I can tell you right now is coming to an end.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,May,24 09:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I admit that I don't like DeSantis, but his popularity numbers showed that Americans don't like him much either. He was very popular before the primaries, when he hadn't been on TV much, but as soon as people started to see him more, his support started dropping. He started out as the biggest challenger of Trump, but he went down fast and Nikki Haley went to second place. There were people voting for her recently, while she had already dropped out. Did you hear that about DeSantis?

Maybe Europe is on the left compared to you, but right-wing policies have resulted in privatization of almost every once publicly owned service. Privatization and maximization of private profits was literally the goal of founding the EU. The EU enforced privatization and prohibits nationalization. If you look at the economic policies, Europe is just as right-wing as the US. It's just the cultural issues and personal freedom issued where we still differ. But, do explain why you think we
have government dominance. I think you are just misinformed.

On cultural issues though, the US is dominating it's citizens more every day. Republicans want to restrict all personal freedoms, like abortion, contraception,
gay marriage and being transgender. You're also restricting the right to protest, organize workers in unions and cracking down on striking. You want government officials to look over the shoulder of healthcare professionals. You want government officials to decide which books are suitable for children and probably in the near future for adults too. How about that type of government dominance?
You want the government to follow people into the bedroom. I don't want that.

You are talking to a Dutch person, who is pretty far on the left for his own country. It's not saying much about the political affiliation of the rest of my country. There are now 4 political parties, ranging from center right to far right, who need to create a new cabinet. They've been at it for 160 days now and it doesn't look like they are any closer to it, than on day 1. Right-wingers always think lefty politics is just impractical bellyaching, but when right-wing politicians actually have to deliver,
they crumble on their incompetence. They are unable to legislate, just like Mike Johnson's House. Can you point to one thing they have done for you? I'll give you one; they put into law that gas stoves cannot be forbidden, because they made up a story that Democrats wanted to do that. Even if it was true, which it wasn't, is that the most important thing they could do? Is that what's important for people to survive and live a good life? Cooking on induction saves you money, especially when you have solar panels on your roof. My solar panels paid for themselves in 4 years, because of high electricity prices. I'm using free electricity while writing this.

Trump hasn't plan anything ever in his life. Even the conspiracy to steal the election, by calling it stolen and replacing the real electors with fake ones, wasn't his idea. He just saw DeSantis as a rival, so he started attacking him with adolescent nicknames. You're supporting a clown. He only want people to idolize him and he's jealous of the power of Putin, Mohammed bin Salman and Kim Jong-un. He wants to be a leader like them and you're confused about The Constitution, thinking it says he should have that power. If your supreme court gives your presidents that power, you'll be sorry, I can assure you. You will feel real 'government dominance' soon.

"domination of the white house for the next 12 years."?
Interesting that you pick the word 'domination'. That doesn't sound like democracy much.

"the country which is bleeding out"? Please explain how it is 'bleeding out'?

How is Biden attacking you countries 'national sovereignty'?
I would understand if you said that my country has not much national sovereignty left, because ours has been mostly stripped away by the EU. The US is in no such organization. Are you referring to NATO, perhaps?
How is NATO stripping the US of its 'national sovereignty'? Because it's helping Ukraine fight Russia? You know why NATO was founded, I hope? It was Europe choosing the US as it's allies, against the big bad Russians. NATO has picked off almost all former allies of Russia away, for the US to do business with and put military bases in. It has reduced the influence of your biggest enemy to great extend. They can only do business with your other enemies now. Investing in Ukraine's ability to defend itself reduces Russia's power even more. If you stop investing in that, Ukraine will loose and Russia will see that NATO is weak. It also shows Europe that the US is not trustworthy. Instead of bowing to the whims of the US, Europe will need to grow some balls and stand on its own. You will loose all the influence you have created over decades, with enormous costs to build up your military dominance, just because you think Ukraine is getting too expensive now.
By White_Mamba at 02,May,24 18:15 other posts of White_Mamba 
Biden has attacked our national sovereignty by opening the border. How many palesyinians can claim national overeignty in your country? Egypt is right next door andrefuses entry. Why is that?
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Trump never cheated and his plan to uphold our sovernty.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,May,24 20:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OMG another dumb parrot. Biden did not open the border.

Every Palestinian coming to my country would be accepted as a refugee. Everyone who comes to my country asking for asylum is allowed to register for asylum. Not all of them get it, only people who really come from war-stricken countries or people who are being persecuted by horrible regimes for their sexuality or religion. We cannot take in everyone who left a safe country, just for a better future. We are incredibly densely populated; 1,353 people per mi2 versus your 96 people per mi2. Besides, those countries need people in the prime working age, to develop their country too. Those people from safe countries still get the chance to register, but we do not give all of them shelter. We prioritize the actual refugees. It was a bit difficult when all those Ukrainians fled from the Russian attacks. Literally every hotel and sports hall was taking on refugees. There are not many Palestinians coming here, because they cannot get out.

Ask Egypt why they are not letting in refugees. Personally, I think they do it for
a political goal. They don't want Israel to clear out Gaza and steal it for Israel,
so they keep their borders closed and make marters out of the Palestinians.
Maybe they just don't want to take care of 2 million traumatized, radicalized people. It's not like they don't have their own challenges. Maybe they think
when Israel has taken Gaza, they are next.
The US should accept a lot of those Palestinians. You support the destruction of their state. They cannot live there anymore, because of your ally, so it's up to you to take on the people who are now deprived of a place to live.
By White_Mamba at 02,May,24 23:33 other posts of White_Mamba 
National soverenty. Israel was attacked and reciprocated.

The reason why we cannot come to terms is you are progressive left. I'm an independent. I don't go by what the fake news tells me. I'm educated. I'm independent because I understand moral clarity.

You think I'm stupid, fine. You have to do what you have to. I must also do and preach what I feel is right and just.

You do what you want. Trust me, I won't spend any energy into stopping you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,May,24 14:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There is a limit to that reciprocation and they are crossing it way too far.
This is genocide and nothing else.

You do go by what the fake news tells you, when you say Biden opened the border. The desert is filled with refugees waiting to get registered. That is a dereliction of your responsibility. Refugees have a right to register for asylum. Then you vet them and find out who are really refugees and let them in. You can turn away all the people who do not qualify and you don't have jobs for. Calling that a risk to your national sovereignty is nonsense.

Why would you think my country has not lost its national sovereignty? Our borders are wide open, everyone can freely walk in. By your logic, that should have destroyed us by now.

I'm educated too and my work is solving problems. It requires analyzing causes and finding the optimal solutions. That is based on logical argumentation.

Everyone thinks what they feel is right and just. That doesn't mean you are right or that I am. However, if you reduce your arguments, to just claiming that you understand moral clarity, than you are wrong by default, because everyone can claim that. It's called the Moralistic fallacy.

You are on a forum to discuss politics. You don't have to stop me, but you can challenge your ideas, by challenging mine.

Preaching is just spouting your beliefs, without having the courage to justify your beliefs. It doesn't matter what you believe, just why you believe it.
By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 17:30 other posts of White_Mamba 
YOu're not talking to your mother about Biden not opening the border. If you want to chat about facts and conclusions let me know.

The only genocide I see here is what is steming froma your lack of brain cells. If you are going to fucking lie I will ban. Are you sure you're speaking as an adult? 60 years Iran which controls Hamas and Gaza, West Bank have threatened not only against Israel but the entire Judaen population accross the globe so shut the fuck up.

You want to talk like adults then fucking act like it or get your fucking bad breath CO2 out of my face. You got that?
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,May,24 21:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There's no use, you're just another douche.
By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 22:36 other posts of White_Mamba 
Fuck you



By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 21:20 other posts of White_Mamba 
Starting to think the only reason you are as progressive left as you are, its because you don't believe in God and have an enormous hatred of Israel and Judaens. A racist never accepts reasoning critiques of finding truth with anything as long as the Jewish People are exterminated.
Your lies about Israel performing genocide? You will die alone and unhappy.





By phart at 03,May,24 00:56 other posts of phart 
it's 1 thing to protest but these folks on college campus's are interfering with folks trying to get a education and tearing up stuff and causing mayheim.
They are not in the park holding signs asking consideration of their concerns, they are being assholes for lack of fancy word for it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,May,24 14:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are not tearing up stuff. They are protesting peacefully.
Protesting is a right, even if it causes a nuisance.

Close to 40,000 Palestinians have been killed.
More journalists have been killed than in WWII.
Israel is doing war-crime after war-crime.
If this is no justification for protesting, what is?
By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 17:56 other posts of White_Mamba 
You fucking idiot. You're banned for life.

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By phart at 03,May,24 18:36 other posts of phart 
hamas was voted in as leaders of gaza, so how are you supposed to separate them and only deal with the terrorist?
Background. The Gaza Strip has been under the de facto governing authority of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) since 2007 and has faced years of conflict, poverty, and humanitarian crises.

In other words, if the palestinians want peace, they should rat out the hamas and help get rid of them so things will return to normal. It is the palestinians fault the terrorist got so strong.

By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 21:24 other posts of White_Mamba 
Dear Fuckwit!! As long as Iran, Gaza, Hezbollah continue to threaten Israell with expermination of the Jews from River to the Sea murdering our children with throwing infants into heated ovens raping Jewisha women as young as newborn. There will be more palestinians murdered. whole lot more. Women there will be MORE palestinians exterminated. 40000 Palestinians? How about 8 million palestinians. Then we are almost even.They had the choice of leaving but remain as human shields. You fucking hate Israel and jewish people so much get your nazi fucking jewish hating smelly cunt to Gaza and fight for the cause otherwise shut the fuck up..
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,May,24 21:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Wow, you are genocide condoning monster.
And you understand moral clarity?
Hell awaits you.
By phart at 05,May,24 00:21 other posts of phart 
Uh, i must admit, I am all ears to what you think is a workable fix for the problem.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,May,24 10:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Anything besides murdering a whole people?

The solution was available around 2000. One state of Israel with half of Bethlehem and Jerusalem for Israel and half of Bethlehem and Jerusalem.

The international community should have enforced that solution and protected it with an independent military force, to keep the peace. Instead of keeping Palestine occupied and controlled, it should have had the dependance that all other countries have. The attack of 7th October would have never happened then.

How do we move forward? First, stop the hostilities. The killing of 40,0000 Palestinians is enough retaliation for what Hamas did. Hamas should NOT be allowed to rule over the Palestinians ever again, so they need a government, a supply chain and a system of law, that should function independently from Muslim extremist donors and independently from Israeli oppression. This should be supported by the international community, until Palestinians can support themselves. It would be a return of most of what was on the table in 2000. Most of the illegal Israeli settlements should be returned to Palestine. Many of the Gaza Palestinians should move to the West bank. Gaza was too overpopulated to be sustainable. Free travel between the West bank and Gaza should be made possible.

That is the only route to peace between Israel and Palestine. Not supporting this route means supporting continuous violence from both sides.

If this solution does not get the support of the world, then the next best solution is to end it now. That doesn't mean murdering all the Palestinians,
it means to come to an international agreement to expropriate Gaza and possibly also the West bank. Palestine will cease to exist and all Palestinians will need to be accepted by willing North African and South Asian countries, that will be well compensated. Israel will be forced to pay for reparations to the Palestinians for decades. Saudi Arabia should play a big role. They are your biggest 'friend' in the area. It's time that you get something for that 'friendship', instead of just oil companies and the military industrial complex making trillions of dollars from it.




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Read about this sweet heart of a guy.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,May,24 11:02 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We call that the Anecdotal fallacy. You find one guy with a criminal record, to make a claim that they are all bad. There are thousands of protesters and you can only find this guy? He's arrested and probably getting some time to think about what he did in prison. In my opinion, he deserves that.

When there are protests, you don't know who is attending. I've been protesting too, I don't know who joined us. There might have been horrible people amongst us. The protests were however completely peaceful. When we left,
the city looked exactly the same as before. Still, some nuisance is permitted.
Traffic was blocked for a few hours.

That is how my side of the political aisle protests. At worst a big nuisance, but no violence and no damage. When right-wingers protest, they do massive violence and lots of damage. We have seen it in my country with the Corona protests and the farmers protests. We've seen it from your side on January 6th.

Last Saturday we had Remembrance day. Thousands of people gather at Dam Square and other places throughout the Netherlands to hold two minutes of silence at 8:00 PM, to commemorate the victims of World War II and the holocaust. We kept our two minutes of silence and watched the program on TV until the end. No one disturbed the official proceedings. There were protests going on elsewhere in Amsterdam. They did not keep silent. I think it's possible to respect both the victims of the holocaust and the victims of the current conflict. However, I see too many people wo do not learn from commemorating the victims of the past. They keep supporting atrocity after atrocity. How will the world ever embrace peace, like that?

The protesters are on the right side of history. People who want to restrict those protests are on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of democracy.

You are not supporting equal rights to protest and you do not support equal punishment, when protesters are overstepping their rights. I do.
By phart at 06,May,24 14:05 other posts of phart 
What gives you this sense of entitlement to block a hwy and prevent people from moving along their daily lives?
you should NOT be interfering with normal peoples daily lives.
NOTHING ,NO law nothing ,entitles you to interfere with the common citizens daily life of commuting to work or whatever.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,May,24 10:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're wrong, interfering with the daily life or commuting of the common citizens is part of the freedom to protest.

The whole freedom of speech and the right to protest is based on
getting people to think, instead of moving along their daily lives.

Don't you understand why? Because anyone could claim a protest
is interfering with their daily life, when they don't like the protest,
making every and all protests impossible.

If you don't like freedom, go to Saudi Arabia or Russia.
Leave freedom alone, for Americans who do like freedom.
By phart at 07,May,24 21:42 other posts of phart 
Well that is a loop hole that needs closing.
When they block the road, they are violating my freedoms and rights as well.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,May,24 14:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Some freedoms are more important than others.

When they block the road, you can find another road.
That's an inconvenience, not a violation of your freedoms and rights.
There is no freedom or right to get anywhere in an efficient time.
That would make traffic jams a human rights abuse.

Freedom of speech and the freedom to protest is not limited by a right
of people to not be inconvenienced or offended, it is exactly a right to inconvenience and offend people. If it didn't inconvenience or offend people, you wouldn't need any laws to protect those rights.

Understand that when you support taking away freedoms, that you loose them for yourself too. You might want them some day.

Actually, right-wingers are constantly protesting hospitals giving gender affirming care to people. How would you like them to get their heads cracked by the police? I would say they are more than inconveniencing those patients. Are you consistent in the idea that those protests should be illegal too?
By phart at 09,May,24 01:30 other posts of phart 
YOu can't find another road when you are in the middle of a bunch of idiots that get confused and won't make a 3 point turn.
Kinda hard to turn a semi around in the middle of a interstate to. and they blocked I40 here in my state back during that 2020 shit.

You write alot into the "rights" that is not written.
Kinda hard to prove as well.
I see nothing no where that says you can block a road to protest. Not without a permit.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,May,24 15:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you find yourself in the middle of a protest, that's your own fault.
Extinction rebellion blocked our A12 many times. That's annoying,
I agree, but we just plan around it.

The farmers blocked several roads, when we went on vacation to Limburg, 2 years ago. It took us almost 2 hours extra and we had to drive through Belgium. I am not on their side, but I still support their right to protests. I also support their right to exist, even though I want massive changes to reduce their pollution. They should not have to pay for that, that's a problem for society to solve.

The Constitution is clear: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".

As long as it falls under 'peaceably to assemble', it should be allowed.

We don't need a permit. In fact, a permit to protest doesn't even exist.
We are obligated to notify the local authorities of a protest, with a form.
Only a mayor has the jurisdiction to prohibit a protest or to impose restrictions, but under very strict guidelines. The police can ask for a copy of the notification form. A mayor cannot prohibit a protest on the grounds that the protest was not notified.
By phart at 09,May,24 20:35 other posts of phart 
The permit is for using public property.
street or whatever
Like a parade or something.
you can't expect to just block a road and not be held accountable.
you can protest,but no where does it say you can do it in a way that prevents everyone else from going on with their lives.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,May,24 13:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It looks like that is the law in the USA.
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In The Netherlands we have more freedoms to protest.
We do have a right to bother people, during protesting.
The police even blocks the roads for notified protests.
By tecsan at 15,May,24 07:36 other posts of tecsan 
The police will do the same here as long as no violence occurs. No damage to property and not intterrupting class or meetings etc. Provided the proper certificate is obtained for no money. They will not let you block off a major major highway or road or a road this is the only way to get to an event. No bridges may be be blocked either. This mainly requires commonsense which you socialist do not have any at all.

Now does your police let them block emergency services from saving a life or even disrupt otherd from their jobs etc.
? If they do then your country is fucked.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,May,24 11:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There is a difference between blocking some random road and blocking 'emergency services from saving a life'. Of course we don't allow protests to endanger people's lives. That would not be 'protesting peacefully', wouldn't it?

You're the one not understanding common sense.
You don't need to be a socialist to understand and support the freedom to peacefully protest. We have right-wingers that understand and support it just as much as I do. It's just you who are having a hard time being consistent on it.
By tecsan at 16,May,24 06:38 other posts of tecsan 
I SUPPORT peaceful protest (although I would not participate in one). Keep out the BS I mentioned above and riots.

I have a problem with breaking and entering, burning, looting and fighting.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,May,24 10:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
SO DO I !!!

We were not talking about riots, breaking and entering, burning, looting and fighting!

I was talking about blocking streets or blocking access to non-vital buildings. I'm not saying this should be tolerated indefinitely, but it is part of the right to protest peacefully.

I support pro-Palestine protesters, when they are just a nuisance, but when they are destructive and violent, I don't support those protesters. Sitting down in a university is not 'breaking and entering', because universities are public buildings. The media only shows the violent protesters. Most are not. Saying bad things about Israel isn't violence. It's also not anti-semitic. I support the freedom to protest and the freedom of speech. Those rights are not limited by you being offended or you being inconvenienced.

I supported the Jan 6th protesters' right to gather at the capital.
I didn't support their violence and goal of overturning the election.

I am consistent and fair, you are not.
























By tecsan at 08,May,24 04:14 other posts of tecsan 
How is that NY court looking now Ananas2xLekker?

A fucking clown show.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,May,24 14:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Actually, I haven't heard about his business fraud case in a while. Last I heard, they accepted his $175 million bond, so he could appeal the court order, without his assets being forfeited. They should never have accepted that $175 million bond, because it violated all kinds of rules. The prosecutors were working on that, but I haven't heard any more. Everyone is now focusing on the election interference case, with Stormy Daniels.

Meanwhile Trump is begging for money from anyone, to pay for his legal fees and fines. That is making him a big target for quid pro quo. You think Don Hankey is giving Trump $175 million, just because he likes him? He knows Trump never pays his debts, so he is getting something else for it. That alone should be a reason to ban Trump from running for office.

If you don't want a clown show, you shouldn't support a clown.
In fact, you lot voted for a clown INTENTIONALLY, to "shake things up".
This is the result, if you do such a thing; a fucking clown show. Happy now?
By phart at 09,May,24 01:23 other posts of phart 
We don't want a clown show from anyone, but we sure as hell don't want anymore of biden. Trump is the only feasible choice at this point.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,May,24 13:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know you think that, but it's just sad that you can consider Trump better than literally anyone. He is both the worst and most criminal president your country ever had.

When I ask you to explain why Trump is better, you come with nonsense about the economy (which was much worse after Trump and is doing pretty good now) and legitimate concerns over his mental health, which would be a good point if Trump was not the alternative, because Trump is suffering even worse mental health issues and he is ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUSLY CRAZY.

Come up with a reason that I can agree are actually in line with your opinions,
in stead of reasons that are not in line with reality.
What do you think is so important, that makes you consider voting for a narcissistic, pathetically petty, treasonous, raping, fornicating, lying, dumb-as-dirt, mentally declining, wannabe dictator, who has no intention to give you anything you consider important, but only wants to run for president to pardon himself for all the crimes he committed and to extract more donations from his gullible followers and scrape every cent from the Republican party that is crumbling under his mismanagement?





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While the National Enquirer killed negative publicity for Trump about him fucking porn-stars and models, they also posted whatever fake-news they could make up on Hillary.
This is all admitted to in court by David Pecker, owner of the National Enquirer, calling it "checkbook journalism".

But, sure the liberal media is 'fake news'.



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Just wondering if the story is true about biden shitting his pants on national tv?


By White_Mamba at 05,May,24 01:51 other posts of White_Mamba 
Here is an explanation on truth. An analysis of the true nature of the political rational based on the left's struggle for power. They can't win at the ballot box and they know they are being watched for cheating. The violence and protests of promoting violence towards Israel and Jews world wide.

Racism is the ace under the table term using to attempt im maintaining political power. The ace under the table of racist. zionist, genocide has been used since the turn of the 19th 20th century. You want to know the truth? Here it is.

Ananas2xLekker, CAT just like the numberous anti-israel-Jews that infest this site are fakes, liars and bastards propagating nazism and hatred for the Jews in this domaign.

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only registered users can see external links Ananas2xLekker is a lying piece of shit no good mother fucking liar fucktard nazi. Be careful of this garbage.


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By White_Mamba at 03,May,24 17:36 other posts of White_Mamba 
Biden's margin of loss contues to distance. Barring cheating which I think he will try getting illegal aliens to vote it appears to be less concerning. If you can watch thoroughly of them counting multiple segments of the same vote or the same illegal vote with decertifying the election with cheating if they do cheat I don't see a path of victory for Biden.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Apr,24 14:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A wise man once said: "Wealth should represent greater access to luxury,
not greater access to necessity."
By phart at 22,Apr,24 20:22 other posts of phart 
Um, not really getting what that means?
Wealth should represent greater access to what ever the earner has interest in, necessity or luxury.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Apr,24 11:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Society has evolved far enough to provide the necessities to everyone,
if we only share the resources a bit more equally.
We can do that, so we should do that.

I value that opinion of the basis of human rights.
On what value do you base your opinion?
By phart at 23,Apr,24 18:05 other posts of phart 
Who granted humans these "rights"?
Where are they written?
If you want more than air and water, you need to be productive.
That is why democrats and atheist hate religion so much.
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"" For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you,
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nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you.""
NOT BE A BURDEN TO YOU< wow what a concept.take care of 1's own needs!

Straight up, I get so sick of people thinking those that bust their ass's every day,pay taxes, and take care of their family's ,should give up even more than they already do for some no good ,no working sumbitch that has 42 baby moma's running around.

The motivation behind getting educated and working hard is to have more than you need and not to ever have to worry about anything money and labor can acquire.
why liberals think that is a terriable shape to be in I don't know.but they do everything they can to bring down the wealthy.

teach the poor to work, teach the poor to do for themselves. once that is done, there will only be a few that can't help them selves. Then, the folks that have extra will give willingly, volunteer ally, to help them.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Apr,24 20:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are born with them, because you are human, just like me.
They are written down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights
of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace
in the world"

I am so sick of people who think everyone should bust their ass's every day just to survive, while other people sit on their ass, taking millions per day for just owning everything, because stupid people gifted them control over all the money.

End poverty, end the ridiculous system of exploitation to serve the wealthy, change the horrible culture of worshiping money and mindless consumerism, and reserve the time we are spending on this earth for providing everyone with the necessities of life, creating actual value for the progress of humanity and the preservation of nature, instead of producing harmful, waste creating crap, with the only reason to further enrich people, who have more than they can ever use and only spend in the pursuit
of even more for themselves. They are sick of greed and they need to be cured.

Lets be free of these tyrants, who steal our lives and our freedom.
Power to the people!
By phart at 23,Apr,24 22:04 other posts of phart 
When you take away the incentive to excel, as in become wealthy or become higher educated, you are making yourself dependent on everyone else around you, as you will never have everything you need without someone else having to provide.

We are always that way to a extent,we don't have a oil well or a way to make cloth for clothes,etc.
But the system you propose ,making everything and everyone equal, would be a population of bored, depressed drones. not just part of them as we have now, but all of them.

Can't you see past the "idea" of wealth and greed being 1? It's not.


Strange, this document was written in 1948 just about the time Israel came about ,but yet you don't think Israel is real and shouldn't be there but this document is of greatest creditability?? Really?
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Not arguing that it is wrong ok? BUT,

Who are those people that wrote it? Why do you or anyone else give them more creditability than anyone else?
Just wanting to know how you feel comfortable letting them decide how you are treated and can expect to live?
Could it be because you agree with what they wrote?
What if you didn't agree with part of it?
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Apr,24 11:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Providing people the necessities to live is NOT taking away the incentive to excel! It's providing the exact opposite; it's taking away the stress to survive, so people have all their attention on developing themselves and humanity.

Stop thinking that everyone is lazy and bad.
Given the opportunity, most people are awesome.
The people who are not, will never excel anyway.
Even if you threaten their livelihoods, the most they will ever achieve is survival.

Also stop thinking that I want to provide others with what they need,
I just want anyone who contributes to EARN all the necessities to live.

I'm also not talking about making everything and everyone equal, read my first comment. I propose a system in which the people have DEMOCRATIC power over public capital, to invest in opportunities to improve the lives of everyone, instead of letting a tiny group of elites, born with a silver spoon in their mouth, control all the money in a DICTATORSHIP, to serve only themselves.

Because EVERYONE thinks that skills and effort should be rewarded, we will do so with that DEMOCRATIC power over public capital. No one would vote to give everyone the exact same income. You certainly wouldn't and I wouldn't either.
That's still a million times different than the inequality of the current system.

Why is this so hard to understand? You keep misrepresenting my ideas.

Why do you believe that normal people deserve at maximum the necessities to live, while you think a few wealthy people deserve to live in ridiculous abundance?
It really sounds like you think those people are gods. Sorry, they are not, they are very flawed human beings. They have some skills, but at least 95% of them had wealthy parents and the rest had a shitload of luck. They are no more exceptional than the people who took a risk and failed, they were just in the right place, at the right time, with the right people. Often after their success, they get a brain-worm thinking they are awesome, and their brain turns into mush. That doesn't matter, because once they are wealthy, your stupid culture of worshiping the wealthy, protects them from failure, even if they try their hardest.

Who wrote your opinion then? And why is that credible?
Can't you just look at the world, and see it's flawed as fuck?
And you then think treating people with respect for their humanity is bad?
I think every problem in the world is caused by lack of that respect.
Why don't you agree with that?
By phart at 24,Apr,24 15:09 other posts of phart 
Of course there is lack of respect .Few people do anything to earn it.
You still didn't tell me why the people that wrote that "rights" bill in 1948 were creditable. You are treating them as Gods because you are bowing to their ideas.

If you are wanting people to earn their way, then I apologize for thinking otherwise.
Excelling is not working inside the box. you have to try to be more,
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Apr,24 12:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The only conclusion I can make, from everything you are saying is that you think too many people are happy.

You are living in a country, where most people are living paycheck to paycheck and you think: "That's not right, they should be working harder, to even survive.".

I understand why you hate my ideas now:
I'm a guy, who 'works' (sorry, even with the quotation marks, I cannot help but laugh, about the idea that what I'm doing is working) only 40 hours a week (while being distracted for about half my time) and my supervisor is satisfied with the things I'm delivering. I'm home alone, because my girlfriend is at her mother to help around a bit and celebrate kings-day together. I though, that's a good time to take two days off. At work, I'm waiting for other people doing their part, I can fill my time, but I have lots of days left, so lets have some me-time. I have some work around the house, so that two days off gives me more time in the weekend. I'm gonna do a lot of gaming. Normally, I have a few hours now and then, but now I can make working-day hours on it. Still, enough time to waste even more. I literally spend several hours downloading porn and jerking off to it. How more useless can I get? Well, I'm doing it now. And yesterday, for my hard work ( ), my wage was transferred. I had several hundred Euros (= 1.07 $) left from last month, on several accounts, so I kept at least Ђ 500,- as a buffer and throwing around money, on my own account, dropped the rest in the fixed charges account and dropped Ђ 1000 in the savings account. There's now Ђ 6000 in the quick savings account, collecting almost no interest, but I like having some money for easy access. When it's getting ridiculous, I'll think about if I want to throw it in the slow savings account, in the stock account or pay off some more of our mortgage. My girlfriend got her wage too, but she said she wanted new shoes, so I advised her too keep a few hundred throwing around money too, because were fine on the fixed charges account. I'll throw the rest in the quick savings account too. Later today, I'll continue a job still waiting for me; I have to do my tax returns. It took a while this year, because we had thousands of Euros in medical expenses. Our insurances don't pay for everything. There are insurances who do, but those are not worth their money. If you have money laying around, you're cheaper off paying those costs yourself, when needed. Now I have to calculate the exact costs we had, which is easy, but also all the traveling costs, which is more difficult. So, alright, my government wants to reimburse part of those costs, so I will spend some hours calculating. I think I earn my money easier by 'working' for my employer.

When I wrote that, I though: "Yeah, I'm hating me too, right now.".

I'm excelling at maximizing my working hours into results.
I could do more, but I don't want to. I spend my time at work on the things that motivate me, things that I consider to be good for my colleagues and the patients who use our products. Then I'm working with more energy and my brain at full capacity to think of the right improvements. When I'm doing less interesting stuff, it is at less than half my energy and less than half my brain capacity. It's getting done well, but slowly. Meanwhile, I'm looking for possible improvements; What problems am I seeing in the data that I'm analyzing, what are the causes of those problems, how can I eliminate or reduce them? Then, I see an incident that could have been prevented. The operators just didn't know how to predict the problem. In my time as an operator, most of us had that knowledge, but high turnover erased a lot of experience. So, I discussed the solution with them, they didn't know about it, so we decided to make an instruction for it, in their procedures. I spend half a day at drawing a clear schematic, which they only need to train once to understand it. Every new employee will be trained in it, so I'll hope that eliminates or reduces recurrence of the incident. When I'm doing something like that, I'm energized and happy. It also reduces lots of expenses, because incidents are very expensive. Several people spend their time in correcting the damage and sometimes we are forced to throw away tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of Euros worth in product.
Sure, I could work harder, I could be more effective, but for what? The sector I'm in makes ridiculously high profits. Those profits are mostly going to the owners and/or large shareholders. They live in ridiculous luxury, while doing nothing useful. They have their board members to make sure the company is doing well, the CEO is making enough money for them and they have other people looking around what companies they can buy, for the billions they are taking from their other companies. They have no idea how to spend their billions, but people like you think they deserve to have those billions. Those people are not trying to be more or trying for society to be more, but they are the gods that you bow to.
But, you hate my idea, that I have a right to a nice life too.
You even hate my idea that you have a right to a nice life too.

I'm not living to work, I'm maximizing the time I spend in the capitalist system, TO LIVE. Because, I only have ONE LIFE. That capitalist system provides my means to live, but it's still affected by the useless owner class, exploiting everyone around me, only to own more.

You think that owner class is necessary, because they invest in the economy that we all rely on. Right? .... Are they? Why are they necessary? They are not investing their money, people who work for them are investing their money. They do make the final decision what to invest in; "Do I invest in oil, cluster bombs, cigarettes, fast-food chains, natural resources, payday-loans, medicines, rockets to go to Mars, more lobbyists who help me keep my PFAS factory and my ability to dump toxic waste in the rivers, or is it smarter to invest in solar panels, electric cars, wind turbines and innovation? How can I make the most money now and long-term?".

What I say is: "I don't like those people deciding that, I prefer democracy.".
Why should a few wealthy people have all the money, that everyone else creates with their labor? Why should they have the choices on how to spend it?
We, as a people, are creating that money, so I want society to have PUBLIC capital and democratic control over how to spend that public capital, by means of elected representatives supporting and voicing an opinion on how to spend OUR money, and then keeping their promises when we elect them.
By phart at 25,Apr,24 18:42 other posts of phart 
I have had a terriable day so far dealing with a minor emergency with my dad but the quick observation of what you have wrote is, why aren't you going out and giving your extra money to house the homeless, or feed the stray cats? Why are you expecting the owner class, the 1's making your comfy lifestyle possible, to do all the giving? your mindset is you or me or them not having any more than anyone else.
Now suddenly you are bragging about how comfy you live being frankly quite lazy.
No wonder you can think the way you do, you don't do any real work.
Trust me, I would love to see you do the job I did every day for a couple years, you probably wouldn't last a week.
it was WORK and brains both.

No ill well intended, please forgive,just having a rough day.so probably being a bit to blunt
By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Apr,24 23:27 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Sorry to hear about your dad, I hope he's fine now.

I have no idea how you can summarize what I'm saying with "why aren't you going out and giving your extra money to house the homeless".

I'm lucky to be able to use this capitalist system to my benefit. Too many people are not. Funny how you accuse me of being lazy, for doing not a lot and still having a comfy lifestyle. Why don't you care about the owner class doing absolutely nothing and living like gods? They don't even know what real work is. I have worked a demanding job for 10 years in shifts. I was making a product. Is that a 'real job'? I just developed my knowledge and skills, so I could work from a desk. I'm not directly involved in making that product, but without people like me, that product could not be sold. That product wouldn't even exist in the first place, because people like me create the process to make it. At least I'm still doing things myself, instead of ordering people around. If I was doing that, then you would grovel for me, because those are businessmen, the class of the gods. Those are exactly the people who can go away for a year and no one notices; business goes on. One operator calling in sick is affecting operations more than all of upper management calling in sick. And they are so much easier to exchange too. Any manager can step in and do the job in a few weeks. An new operator requires at least six months of training before they can work independently. Half of my job takes about the same training time, but the other half of the job just requires experience. That's why most of my direct colleagues are former operators just like me. But, of course that's not a real job. I need to become really useless and become management, to deserve your respect.

I would challenge you to think about the goal of life.
What are all those hard working people actually achieving?

Productivity is higher now then ever before and still going up,
the GDP of mostly all developed countries has gone up and up and up,
but are more people benefiting from that?
There are people working full time who cannot make ends meet.
Especially the people doing those 'real jobs' are getting poorer.
But the wealth of the owner class is growing harder than ever before.
If we believe your ideas, then that would benefit everyone, but it doesn't.
There are even homeless people with jobs, sleeping in their car on the
parking-lot of the company they work for. Are they just lazy?
It's up to you to explain this, because the world is using your system.
Why do you keep supporting that system, when it so clearly doesn't work?

At least, it doesn't work for the majority of the people, I'm an exception.
Also, I'm living in The Netherlands, a less brutal capitalist country.
And I grew up when my country was much more socialist.
I had free healthcare, affordable education and affordable housing.
What my father had on lower education and I have on higher education,
most young people with even university cannot afford anymore.
Meanwhile we have more millionaires and billionaires than ever before.
And I have seen politics move from far left in my youth to far right now.
You tell me how you interpret all of that.
By phart at 26,Apr,24 01:07 other posts of phart 
A group of men build a bridge. They can stand back and see their accomplishments. They go to bed tired each night.

Another group of people punch numbers all day , get a check in the mail or direct deposit. how can they feel a sense of accomplisment? what are they tired from? walking from the bus stop? Where is the sense of accomplishment in a job well done when you did little?
As for the owners, they invest ,they take risk. their employees risk little and get paid the same unless something terrible happens and the company goes bust. The owers could loose millions in a weekend, the employees, would probably still go to work the next monday morning.
ALot of difference there, it all comes down the risk.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Apr,24 20:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
A feeling of accomplishment isn't limited to seeing something built with steel or concrete, with physical labor. I agree that punching numbers all day is not rewarding, but it's your lack of understanding that makes you think an office job is just punching numbers all day. Fortunately, those jobs are long replaced by computers. The office job I have now is much more rewarding than the hands-on job I had before. That job was rewarding by getting the tasks for the day done, but not more than that. I started doing little projects on the side, because my job wasn't rewarding enough. A good colleague helped me see that being an operator wasn't fulfilling for me any more and I needed to do those projects full-time. I started with an internship of a half year, extended that a few times and then transferred permanently to my current job.

You have the idea of the owner class that is applicable to the owners of at maximum one company or a few restaurants. I don't have much of a problem with them. Those are just the average rich people. I'm always talking about the WEALTHY people, who have many billions. They are beyond risk to themselves. They are too big to fail. When some of them fail, the government even bails them out.

Do you think that Elon Musk would be poor if X goes down the drain? Or that Jeff Bezos has to sell his houses, if Amazon somehow turned belly up? Of course not, their wealth is permanent. They could loose many billions in stock value, sure, but they have transferred so much of their profit into other securities, that they are set for life.
Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are the faces that we know. That's because they still do SOMETHING. We don't even know the real owner class. They just own big parts of many companies and only show up for some board meetings. They own your media and your politicians, and tell them to tell you those fantasies, that you are telling me. It's just propaganda for the wealthy.

Imagine it like this: if you bought 3 different stocks with all your savings, then you are risking something, because that's a gamble. People who own millions have many stocks and other securities. Their assets go up and down with the economy, but because it's diversified, they have much less risk than you.
The real owner class has thousands of times more than those millionaires, who already have low risks. Their assets are so widely spread, that buying a company, even a big one, is no risk at all. They don't even feel the pain of a crisis like Covid-19 anymore. They just scooped up all the stimulus relief packages and added billions to their capital. They bought lots of houses from people who couldn't afford their mortgage anymore. They win when the economy goes well and they win when the economy goes down.
They win, when you suffer. It's them who decided to raise all the prices of the products of the companies they own, and call it inflation. They made record profits, while people like you suffered for them. Stop sympathizing with those people, they don't deserve it. They already have everything and they took it very easily, because you think they are entitled to it.










By dgraff at 27,Apr,24 23:26 other posts of dgraff 
Why should society provide necessities to everyone people should work hard for the things they have no one ever handed me a damn thing and that is how it should be
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Apr,24 10:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why? Why not? Because we can! Because it improves everyone's life.
Because civilization has progressed enough to make that possible.
Because taking away the struggle to survive, changes people's perspective.
Instead of confusing on survival, people can focus on what is important.
Phart just asked: "how can they feel a sense of accomplishment?".
By doing things that actually accomplish positive things.
Most people are doing work, only to keep the cogs of capitalism turning.
They don't feel a sense of accomplishment, because they are only a cog in the machine. They are only making money for the wealthy, to get a small part of it for themselves. They are working to screw other people out of their money, or they are making harmful products, or they are polluting nature, etc.
You are only telling me "people should work hard for the things they have", because that's what they told you all your life. They told you that, so all that hard work, for just surviving, makes trillions of dollars for the wealthy.
Everyone IS working hard, except for the people who have the most.

I'm not working hard, but people who work with their brain never worked hard. People who had my sort of job, when I was young, were working less hours for more money. You just don't know about them, because they didn't live in your neighborhood.
Not in my neighborhood either, but I went to school with their children. I played at their homes sometimes. Those houses now cost at least $1,000,000. Phart seems to think that my income is exceptionally high, for someone who just sits behind a desk, but people like me were living in villas and driving Jaguars, when I was young.
And they had a stay-at-home wife and several children. My girlfriend works.
I didn't want to put children in this decaying civilization.

You are wrong about no one ever handing you a damn thing. You grew up in an America where your taxes still paid for a good education, where the wage of a father working at the post office or a factory could house and feed his whole family.
Why do you thing the slogan 'MAGA' caught on? Because you all know you are getting screwed. That America was treating workers better when you grew up.
That's why you want to Make America Great AGAIN. It refers back to the time that a simple worker could actually survive on his wage.
Did they not work hard? Sure they did, but people are still working hard.
Now a job at the post office or a factory doesn't pay enough to survive on.
Am I wrong there? Aks yourself what your father did for a living.
Are people who do that job now, or something similar, supporting a family?

My father was a mechanic and my mother worked one day a week at a pharmacy.
I grew up in a terraced house with three floors that is now worth at least $500,000.
We always had a car and we went on vacations every year. I was able to get a higher education, with about $25,000 student loan. My father retired at age 62. He's 80 now.
You show me a mechanic living like that today.

Stop thinking that socialists like me want to 'hand you' a damn thing. Fuck no!
I want people to work too. I just want that work to MATTER.
I want everyone to do USEFUL jobs, that provide society with what people need and what improves society, in the most efficient way to provide those things. I want people to be rewarded for doing a job, not just survive on it. And I want people to have a LIFE besides working. They should have time for themselves, to enjoy life, to spend time with people they love and to be a parent. Parenting is important. When both parents are working full-time, just to survive, they are not parenting. That's creating all your criminals.

Give me reasons, when you say "that is how it should be".
The problem is that you never think why is should be like that.
Or do you think that no one should ever have it better than you?
Then understand that it's better for you too, when everyone is doing well.
Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to live in a world with happy people.
It's a better world to live in, than one where everyone is struggling to survive.
By phart at 28,Apr,24 16:23 other posts of phart 
Your system has everyone being a cog in the wheel as well, just less control over their own destiny because they are fully dependent on everyone around them.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Apr,24 12:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's just a lazy flip. First of all, are you referring to the type of socialism that I support, to the socialism in the way your misrepresent it or to the current system of my country, which is one of the most capitalist systems in Europe?

'A cog in the machine' is a term for a member of a large organization whose job, although necessary, makes them feel as if they are not important. The question is then; when do people feel that they are not important? I would say, when you are disrespected for the work that you do, when you can get fired and replaced on a whim, when you have no control over who is in charge of your organization, when you have no control over how your organization acts in the world, when what you do doesn't provide anything of use to society and when you don't get rewarded for what you do.

In capitalism, most people work for an organization that is controlled by one or a few authoritarians at the top, the owner or board of directors of the company. Everyone under that leadership does exactly what that leadership wants. Even if most employees hate that leadership, some of their decisions or the general behavior of the company towards employees, customers or the responsibilities towards humanity, the only thing employees can do is leave. There is no democracy in capitalist companies, because the control is with its owners. In most democratic capitalist systems, democracy ends, as soon as you enter your workplace, which is effectively the most important community you are engaging in. People spend most of that time in that community and that community supports their survival and determines their living standard. It controls people's lives in almost every way, but it is almost completely out of their own control. In the American version of capitalism, those owners of big companies even control democracy itself. Many studies show that the preferences and demands of American voters play an almost insignificant role in the actions of the politicians, when comparing it with the preferences and demands of the donors to the politicians. Both parties basically do what their donors ask them to do. Voters either like it or vote for another candidate. However, the candidates who are preferred by the parties get so much more money and media attention, by the media that is taking money from the same donors, that American politics cannot be called a democracy anymore. That makes Americans a cog in the machine of the economy and its political system.

I support a system of complete democracy; not just rooting out all corruption, by eliminating campaign funding for companies, kicking out all lobbyists and reorganizing the funding of the media to make them independent again, but by democratizing most of the economy and investments. No longer will a few very wealthy people own the system of production and no longer do they control politics with legalized bribes and by sending an army of paid representatives to argue for their interests. Companies should be owned by the people and the employees. Private investments are still allowed, and will give a good return on investment, but it will be a temporary loan, like a mortgage. Ownership of a company will not be permanent, because everyone who provides labor for the company will acquire ownership of the company, in the form of stocks. An investor who doesn't also provide labor for the company will slowly lose all stock, lose all ownership and lose all access to the profits. Employees will acquire stock, for their retirement. That stock also provides them with voting rights. That stock also depreciates over a long time during retirement, because active employees are acquiring stock. However, all people also acquire government stock, and that will constantly increase in value, because public capital is the main investment in most companies. The profits of those companies then mainly flows back into the public capital. That ownership is also not permanent. A company that exists for a long time, in the end is only owned by employees, people who provide labor. Still, all profit is taxed, because the public capital provides infrastructure, education, healthcare and other necessities for its employees and its continued operation.
The public capital is organized by elected representatives, shaping the publicly owned economy on principles established in party programs and leadership mandates. There actions should be very transparent and voters have an incentive to keep them in check, because they control their personal investments. Companies are also managed by elected representatives, shaping the employee owned / publicly owned company on principles established in leadership mandates. Managers who do wel for their employees get reelected. However, since the company is also publicly owned, the government representatives have voting power in the companies. Transparently reported to their voters of course. They should however also do well for the whole community, to get more investments from the public capital, to grow.
In this way, companies are owned and controlled by everyone, and not just a few wealthy people. People therefore are responsible for the success of the company the work for and the success of the whole economy. They are also responsible for deciding between short term gain or long term success, between profit and pollution, health or money. Instead of wealthy people and politicians controlling their life, they have full democratic control over everything that is important to their lives.

Every individual is a cog in the machine of civilization. In capitalism, you are a cog in the machine for enriching a few people with money and power, who control you. In the system I support, you have shared money and power. That makes you less of a cog in the machine and more part of the community.
By phart at 29,Apr,24 15:19 other posts of phart 
Gee, your idea of stocks, it has been in place for decades, you work, you invest part of your wages into stocks and you use the dividends for retirement income. those big companys you hate have been doing that for decades.
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Apr,24 14:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you read my ideas better, the plan is that employees just get them, not that they have to buy them. The plan is that everyone gets an equal share per hour, from the cleaner to the most important strategy specialist. That's the base though, on top is a wage that is dependent on the value people bring to the company. There's still a big difference there, because people's wages would be democratically decided and not by the few on top giving themselves what they thing they deserve.

I also propose differences with the stocks you know. The term 'stock' or 'share' just means a part of ownership and right to a part of the profit. I propose that those stocks are not tradable. Then they don't have a value, they just represent ownership and rights to profit and voting.

I don't hate companies, I dislike the system and I prefer a better system.
What I'm proposing is my optimal goal for a better system. I realise that this is unobtainable right now. It will probably not happen in my lifetime. Still, your type
of capitalism is heading to a cliff. There are many ways to improve it and make
my optimal goal unnecessary. Capitalism can work well, if combined with social benefits, progressive taxation and real democracy. It has worked well before,
you just fucked it up. It will either destroy itself or it will destroy humanity.
I'm thinking for better solutions, for when it destroys itself. If it destroys humanity, there are no second chances.
By phart at 30,Apr,24 15:52 other posts of phart 
Well, help me out, what is the difference in getting 25 dollars a hour and the company matching what you spend to buy stock in the company as opposed to you getting 20 dollars and a hour and being given the shares outright?
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Apr,24 19:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not the idea. The idea is that ALL of the profit of the company goes to the employees and back into the public capital. That's the profit after people
got paid, of course.

Another difference is that the price of the products the companies make is also determined by democracy. A company that makes vital products, like medicines, would not be allowed to make as much profits as they are making now.
By phart at 30,Apr,24 21:30 other posts of phart 
then how do you propose earning raises? How do you propose trimming budgets to make more money? business is in bussiness to make money, the product is secondary.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,May,24 14:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Democratically!

"business is in bussiness to make money, the product is secondary."
In capitalism, exactly! That's the whole problem. That's why the world
is turning to shit, because money is all that people care about.

Money should only be a tool, to make life better, not the goal by itself.












By phart at 29,Apr,24 01:30 other posts of phart 
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an advertisement,but just mentions a couple good points

“Whatever abilities you have can't be taken away from you,” says Buffett, “The best investment by far is anything that develops yourself, and it's not taxed at all.”
That's coming from a rich guy. Does that sound like the villain you try to make rich people out to be?
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Apr,24 14:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OMG, he gives you some basic advise, so he deserves all his money and power?

Do you think I need that advise? Investing in my development is how I got where I am.
You think 'hard work' will get you anywhere, but that's for rubes. You got to wise up and hack the system, like I did. Be efficient in creating added value. Employers like that.
Working hard will just provide them turnover. It's just as valuable to them as the wage they are paying, which is the minimum that they can get away with. Even if you learn how to do the job 2 times better than everyone else, your still adding only a fraction of their turnover. I'm trying to make everyone else 2 times better, while I'm sitting on my ass. That's adding value. Learning how to add value is the best skill to develop.

By the way, they tell you to invest in your own development, and then that website
is full of links to 'investment opportunities', to 'master the markets'.
If you want to make money, you need to learn the skills to make money.
That's not trusting some company of some wealthy person to make money for you.
That's not how you get rich, that's how people like Warren Buffet get rich, FROM YOU!!! That's how they get the rubes to make them rich. So why do I even need to trust the story on that site?

You don't need them, to make money by investing, you only need a cheap stock account, save some money to invest and then use some freely available information, to buy some stocks when they are at a low point and all the big finance specialists give them a buy advise. You can even follow Warren Buffett's example. Not that he's always right, but just because everyone thinks he always right, those stocks will do well just because everyone buys them.

I never said all of them were evil monsters, I am trying you to understand that they are not a million times better people than the rest of us, so they don't deserve to have a million times more money and power.

Sure, Warren Buffet is not the worst human being who has that kind of money.
He thinks the rest of us deserve some money, happiness and freedom too.
He is even OK, with a bit more taxes for the rich, to help poor people.
He's even doing some charity and supporting liberalism towards politicians.
Maybe that's because he is a LONG TERM investor and he understands that people who have money, happiness and freedom are better consumers, who keep the economy going, so his investments will do better.
He's not a villain, but he definitely uses his power to protect his wealth and keep the system of inequality alive.

There are still lots of rich people who are villains, in my opinion;
they go on your right-wing media to tell people that wages are too high and poor people are selfish, that people don't deserve retirement, but should work until they die, that climate change is a lie and that regulations against pollution are bad for innovation, that fraud is acceptable because they all do it, that the Covid pandemic should have been allowed to wash over the “human capital” to root out the old and weak ones who just cost him money, who cry on TV over just the idea that he should pay some more taxes, who are funding your worst politicians and your worst media, to keep indoctrinating you with this bullshit, that serves them and only hurts you.
Those people are villains, because they are not interested in the long term optimization of the capitalist system, they are only interested in making as much money in the shortest amount of time, by maximizing exploitation of their employees, politics, humanity and nature. They are often old as Methuselah, are not even able to enjoy their money, but they are stuck in a spiral of greed that they can neither end or enjoy. That whole idea that their power comes with accountability to other people sickens them. They believe that they are entitled to everything they take and everyone they take from deserves their contempt. You worship them like gods, while they would not even piss on you when you are on fire. You are nothing to those people. Have you not listened to them? Actually, I know you have, because you are parroting what they say to me.
You think they are talking about the other people, but they disrespect you the most,
for believing their stupid act.




By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 09:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Oh come on, is Trump_Supporter_# kicked again?
He's now showing as #712828.
He didn't even say goodbye.


By #712828 at 13,Apr,24 23:07
"12 score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

"But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”


By tecsan at 13,Apr,24 07:18 other posts of tecsan 
Why does anyone support and vote for idiot biden?


By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 10:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Congratulations, the Tennessee Senate passed a bill allowing teachers to carry guns.

When some lunatic is walking around in a school with an assault rifle, killing children,
now a teacher is allowed to protect the children with their handgun, while dozens of police officers with bullet proof vests and assault rifles, stand outside to keep the concerned parents at bay. What a great day for America!

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By dgraff at 12,Apr,24 11:18 other posts of dgraff 
I think everyone should carry a handgun i wear them proudly like jewelry sometimes i carry a different one each day of the week and sometimes i carry 2 one in my shoulder holster and one in my boot 🥾 that’s what is great about America 🇺🇸 we have freedom of choice
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 12:53 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They should? It's a right, I agree you have that right, but it's not an obligation.

Consider the results, when all teachers carry guns.
1) Some lunatic is coming to a school in full riot-gear and assault-rifles modified to
full-auto, because he expects some resistance from teachers with handguns.
Not even the first 15 cops can stop him and he kills 150 children, teachers and cops,
before he finally gets taken out by riot police, teaming up and spraying 300 bullets through the window of the last classroom with kids, killing 23 children with him.
2) Some student accidentally blows up a flask, creating a loud bang in a physics-class. Teachers think it is a school-shooter, take out their gun and go investigate the noise. They meet another teacher with a gun in the hallway. It's stressed out Mr. Wong,
who gets so much crap from the students that they fear he might kill one some day.
They asked him to let his gun at home, but he's too scared and it's still his right.
So, Mr. Burr shoots him on sight. That is seen by 'crazy' (anger issues) Mrs. Willis,
who now thinks that Mr. Burr is the school shooter. She empties her whole clip in him.
She got him with the second bullet, but all the others go right through the thin,
cheap wall, used a lot in school buildings, killing 3 children in the classroom behind.
I can go on, but I think I made my point.

Teachers have a hard job, the classes are too large, with students who grow up
on the streets because both their parents need to work way too many hours to get by, but you want to put a gun in their hands to protect their students, while most of them don't want it. That leaves the ones who do want to bring a gun to school, for some reason. Unless all teachers agree to disregard this incredibly stupid idea, I expect it won't take long before it claims it's first victims.

This is the only freedom of choice you have or support. Don't kid yourself.




By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 11:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Supreme Court picks up the pace, tells Jack Smith to respond in 7 days
to Trump's request for stay
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By #712828 at 11,Apr,24 05:54
At first, President Joe Biden was in jeopardy of not being on the Ohio 2024 presidential election ballot – now he might not be on the Alabama ballot as well. According to Alabama Secretary of State Wes Allen, Biden’s campaign team will miss the deadline for certifying the President as the Democratic nominee for 2024. The Sekulow team discusses the possibility of Biden being off the Alabama ballot.
By kebmo at 11,Apr,24 06:14 other posts of kebmo 
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He’ll make it happen.



By #712828 at 10,Apr,24 03:15
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The hand. the mind and the heart when in unity creates perfect harmony. Such as the United States of America and its constitution. United States of America, what a beautiful idea. When in unity it too creates beautiful harmony. One Nation Under God, Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Perfect. I'm humbled.


A message from God through the sound heart of Arnold Schwarzenegger, an Austrian as a boy whose father was a nazi.

With love. Thank you Arnold. We love you.


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 07:30
Trump is winning so they hired some juvenile delinquents.to shoot up a strip mall in Indianapolis then blame it on gun violence to take away normal people's guns.
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 08:14 other posts of dgraff 
Of course they did there are more conspiracies go on in our government than i care to think of all of them against the people that pay them just ask Jessie Ventura if they didn’t off him yet
By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 09:35


By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Apr,24 10:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If these are the arguments of your side, to convince people to vote for Trump, Biden will coast to victory, because only a minority of fringe idiots like you believe that shit.
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 10:26 other posts of dgraff 
Well Dutch boy if we wanted your opinion we would have squeezed your head until it oozed out your ears
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 12:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not my opinion you should worry about, I don't get to vote in your country.
You have to consider whether those arguments convince anyone else,
besides the people who already will vote for Trump.

Unless you don't care about Trump winning, because you expect him to try to steal the election again. Then you should only care about keeping the cult alive and strong,
so you lot can again pretend that he won and try to succeed in the next insurrection.


By #712828 at 01,Apr,24 14:35
You have'nt looked at the polls.--------------------------------------- added after 4 minutesDonald trump is projected to get 315 electral votes because joe biden's approval rating is 35% BY CNN. NO INCUMBANT PRESIDENT HAS EVER BEEN RE-ELECTED WITH UNDER 50% APPROVAL..YOU FUCKING IDIOT. WORY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY. YOU'RE ABOUT TO BRING BACK DUNGEONS.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 12:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No incumbent president has ever ran against Trump,
a candidate who tried to steal an election and is found liable
of sexual assault and fraud and is still facing 91 other felony counts.

I'm not saying that I trust the American people to make the right choice,
but if your stupid arguments are all you have to convince other voters,
then I feel confident that you'll lose, because only a tiny minority is THAT stupid.

I am worrying about my own country and the world; Trump getting another chance to destroy your democracy, ending NATO, allowing Putin to easily conquer Ukraine,
allowing Netanyahu to murder every last Palestinian and ignoring climate change,
is an evil that will affect everyone on this already suffering world.





By #610414 at 01,Apr,24 17:46
I want to do away with the electoral college. It's archaic. Let the popular vote decide elections.


By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 08:08 other posts of tecsan 
Many with common sense can see what is going on in NY. engoron did about the same thing he convicted Trump of doing. What he did in this case. Overvalued the bond amount. What an idiot. The moron engoron even under valued Mar-a-Lago.
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Mar,24 15:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Trump has been found liable for fraud.
If he wants to appeal his case, he has to put up the exact amount he owes,
including interest, to delay him having to pay up, or his assets getting seized,
if he can't pay.

A bond like that, has been the status quo in every big case against companies. In cases like that, bonds can go up to billions of dollars. The difference is that other companies don't cry about it, but just put up the bond that the usually have already reserved.
To those companies, it would be perceived as a big PR mistake to complain about the height of the bond. They just act like a few billion dollars is just a tiny fraction of their working cash flow. Apparently, Trump is not as wealthy as he's always bragging he is.

Trump was already trying to move his assets out of the state, so the law wouldn't be able to take them anymore. Engoron did exactly what he was supposed to do.
By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 20:37
No trial nothing. It's like the salem witch trials where you are guilty no matter what then burned at the stake.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Mar,24 08:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's happening, whether you believe he did it or not.
They have evidence up the wazoo. His appeal will not save him.
He doesn't have any defense, he's just delaying and obstructing.

If he had a good lawyer, instead of numbskull Alina Habba, and hadn't threatened the judge, prosecutor, the staff and the jury, and hadn't violated the gag order against publicly commenting about court staff twice, he might had been let off a little easier.

Still, he wasn't punished to the maximum that the law allows; the corporate death penalty was on the table, but he's only "barred for three years from serving in top roles at any New York company, including portions of his own Trump Organization."

If you lie about the value of your assets or income, to evade your taxes or get benefits you are not entitled to, you would be going to jail.
By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 09:14
No crime charged, no victim, no illegal transations. He won't have to pay a dime. He did not lie about assets since the bank made no complaints. How many fucking time do I have to tell you. The bank sends examiners to ive a value for the property. Turns out to be legal. What other part o your pea brain needs where I told you 50 times. times already. Fanni willis is gone, leticia james cant sleeo trump just made 3 billion dollars. Good Luck with that pal. old buddy
By dgraff at 27,Mar,24 10:34 other posts of dgraff 
Nothing more than another witch hunt from the democrats
They better hope like hell they win the 2024 election
Or there will be hell to pay upon the Democratic Party
By phart at 27,Mar,24 14:15 other posts of phart 
even our enemy's ,Putin and others, see this fiasco for what it really is.
Talk about delay and obstruction, that is what the democrats are trying to do, obstruct the American people from being able to vote for the President they want.
And the democrats are stupid enough to run biden again! IF they had a younger, more Articulent man or woman running ,they would stand a chance , I think this election the democrats are going to be the "drowning man" and when they go down,i hope they take the rest of the liberals with them

By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 19:26
Donald's one of 2 mistakes was not to do what he promised. Appointing a judicial special prosecutor on Hillary Clinton. Comey and the media propagating information they know to be false which was orchestrated by Barrack Obama before the 2016 election. Media puppets. The other mistake was him appointing traitor members in his cabinet most notoriously Mike Pense who betrayed his oath,,
Now its personal for him. He's leading in the polls more and more because the country knows he is innocent and is being slandered by his political opponents and the media. This time he won't make the same mistake twice. But he has a formidable opponent since the corruption is widespread from the FBI, CIA and all the judicial levels and judges. this will take a while, or it may not happen at all. The only thing for the moment on our side is God and faith,


By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
By phart at 29,Mar,24 18:48 other posts of phart 
You are going to have a bad headache you keep that up.
best pull that head out of the sand and see reality, not text book theorys and dreams.
By #712828 at 29,Mar,24 21:03
Ananas2xLekker aka anaconda montana is not very bright. I don't consider his comments as valid. I'm starting to believe this case of invalidity is spreading and more people are starting to see this









By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 07:39
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To me its all about learning and understanding.

I gave the definition of country. But the member who asked me said I never answered his question. Before he repeated and discredited me because I refused to answer. He is a liar.

In the video people that have knowledge and understanding I'm not talking about you. I've seen children of God here. I've also seen people that prefer isolation. Egoism vs altruism. What are your REAL desires? You will know if you are true with yourself. The only way to understand your desires is to be able to feel what they are and understand purpose. The real reason why God Created the heavens of the Earth. This is your choice.

This shows the clear meaning of country. I hope this helps. Peace and love


By #712250 at 23,Mar,24 21:29
A question for my collegues. Nancy Pelosi's approval rating is 19%. AOC's is 15%, illian omar is 9%. How do they keep getting elected?

Joe Biden's approval rating, The lowest in american history is at 36% which is nothing but a fucking joke anyway. With that said why is Trump leading in the polls 49% to Biden 47%?

Look, I know he cheated in the election and the fucking smelly cunt bitch Fanni Willis making charges because Trump contested the election and all legal by the way. But the fucking crook fuctard democrats contested the election of 2016.

Can someone make any sense of this?
By phart at 24,Mar,24 02:12 other posts of phart 
If you look at their districts, very poor conditions to.
By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 02:18
Unlivable conditions. Totally unlivable. No opportunity for growth, education, nothing. Every democrat infested city is nothing but a infectious disease for every american..

Its existed like this since the beginning. America was never a democracy and opportunities are getting worse to achieve democracy.

And these zero brain cell democrat (devil worshippers) wont listen to reason. Blame trump. I've never seen the epidemy of the human race until I came to this site.

I am a loving person. I wish no harm to anyone and my faith insists on it. The disgusting vomiting reflex I get from democrats its amazing how God can forgive them for a totally wasted life and attitude.
By sherryann at 24,Mar,24 02:28 other posts of sherryann 
Your last sentence is so true, I'm in one of those dem cities, a real shithole!!! Disease place, crime out of control with disgusting low IQ rotten degenerate lowlife rats thinking they're actually human! These people disgust me!
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Trump supporter, I meant your last sentence of your first paragraph.
By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 02:40
Nothing, Just zombies undead . No hope, nothing. You show them reason, compassion love and all they do in their narcissistic way is to pretend until they suck the life out of you. They will lie right to your face with a straight look. Yet we have seen our country grow through independence, emphasizing on education and love for each other to a banana republic of hatred, poverty and death.

Thank you for your comments. Very much appreciated.
By sherryann at 24,Mar,24 02:43 other posts of sherryann 
Exactly
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Thank you Trump supporter. You bring true wisdom to this site and it doesn't go unnoticed. Thank you. For those of us who understand you and your points we appreciate your input here.
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By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 05:38
That's what they did in Nazi Germany. Work them to death and right before they gas them. Sometimes they were marched naked in frigid weather, forced to dig their own graves then put a bullet into the head. They don't care. When the gas chambers were liberated, they saw female skeletons holding onto they infant children, all dead.
What is so different now? its widespread over a much larger area, It's all about power and money. They propagate blaming races and different groups, religions and political parties. They are so evil that even if you voted for them believing their lies when they are through with you they will destroy you.

This movement hasn't just existed for a century. It has existed for 1000s of years. From moral correctness they created political parties to create hatred, death and terror. One party was the Islamic race which when you trace to dna they are jews. You take 1 hamas dna sample and a jew sample they are the same. What is the only way to fight them. Faith in oneself and understanding the truth. Resist temptation, be thankful for what you have and show love and compassion all that you can even if it is your enemies. Especially your enemies. That's how you rise up--- in Christianity it is called Sacrifice. In Judaism it is called will to bestow. The desire to find pure love. How do you think the Jews have survived all these 1000s of years?

Now the Vatican wants to take its revenge against Israel from how the Roman empire folded and the Vatican rose. How did the Romans fall? They did it to themselves by corruption. Each person for themselves.Brutal violence, hatred and corruption. So what is the difference between then and now? Not a damn thing only its globally. This is our enemy now and today.
By sherryann at 26,Mar,24 19:34 other posts of sherryann 
we're in bad times. I'm hoping you're my same Trump supporter. Have a good day.
By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 20:35

By #712828 at 26,Mar,24 22:26
There are wonderful people in the world. Human character is not the same with everyone. You either are inspired with love and purpose and teaching what stems from your heart or you take what is not yours are alone but you do not care who you hurt, where you cause pain or who you kill.
The difference between you and most here is you understand. Not by what you know but by how you feel. You can't gain this knowledge from just reading a book. The knowledge must come from you. And it has. It is soothing for me..
By sherryann at 27,Mar,24 02:00 other posts of sherryann 
Trump supporter, thank you your eloquent reply means so much
By #712828 at 27,Mar,24 02:42
Of course










By #712250 at 25,Mar,24 04:36
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Democrat city of Kensington avenue Philadelphia, what they did to these poor people.
By phart at 25,Mar,24 15:05 other posts of phart 
that is the democrats dreams for the new America. Doped up and easy to control, no housing required ,just leaving them to the elements, if they die just cremate them and throw em in the landfill.
By #712250 at 25,Mar,24 17:21
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By tecsan at 26,Mar,24 05:14 other posts of tecsan 
No they would not waste the ashes on a landfill. They would spread the ashes around towns for fertilizer at city and government properties.




By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 07:24
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Beware the Democrat, for he is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

So far in my lifetime since 1960 when I was born I've seen death even with my own father when I was 7 years old. I saw all the murders in Nazi films, mistreatment of blacks in the 1960s of racial hatred funded by the democrats. Hatred of Jews propagated by American industrialists starting with Gerald Ford in the 20th century and the development of the Ku Klux Klan after the slaves were freed to invoke terror and death.

The democrats brought Hitler to power. The ONLY reason the Americans entered WW2 was because Hitler's terrible blunder in Stalingrad invading Russia. America as scavengers marched with the Red Army. If Hitler didn't march into Russia he would have taken over the world. American industrialists wanted the war to continue until the invasion of Russia then it was all bets off. Japan's attack in Pearl Harbor was pre-orchestrated.

You people that hate Donald Trump. Look at who you hate and who you worship as if you are demons worshipping Satan himself.

If you revert back to my first paragraph through history and my studies, it is disheartening to me with no evidence diverting the truth of this injunction.


By #712250 at 24,Mar,24 00:27
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The Biden Regime taking over America. Why hasn't Biden stepped up to defend his name for the unity of America. That's because the bastard is guilty, that's why. I saw all those bastard democrats lying during the impeachment inquiry. ALL OF THEM. Like scared rabbits caught red handed as the world does nothing but laughs. The whole world. Everybody

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!


By tecsan at 21,Mar,24 05:41 other posts of tecsan 
I see little hunter the coward was afraid to show up. After all that is originally what he wanted was a public forum. This regime is nothing but lying cowards. You do not show up when you are guilty...Good reason I guess. China owns this regime and will do anything to keep it going.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Mar,24 19:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What are you talking about?
Last time Hunter showed up, Comer didn't even have the balls to face him.

Hunter showed up when he needed to. And he crushed your guys!



By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Feb,24 10:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you on the side of this Texas Republican? If so, why?
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By tecsan at 24,Feb,24 05:59 other posts of tecsan 
You will have to do a little more explaining. Not enough info.

By tecsan at 25,Feb,24 08:21 other posts of tecsan 
Thought so.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Mar,24 11:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Didn't you say you were able to get your own information?

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They want to allow schools to allow anyone who calls themself a 'chaplain'
to qualify as a school counselor. That's just an invite for religious fanatics,
who want to indoctrinate children, and sexual abusers.




By phart at 22,Feb,24 00:39 other posts of phart 
The defunding of new york has begun!
May it rot.Ungrateful bastards.

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By sherryann at 22,Feb,24 01:18 other posts of sherryann 
Good And did you see the smug look on that goofy judges face? What an asshole! The vile hatred these people display for President Trump is outrageous. I've lost friends who are also Trump haters. Good riddance.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 14:08 other posts of phart 
I think the news about the truckers boycott of new york is wonderful news as well. Fuck with our President , sink into the bowels of hell.
If you had friend that hated Trump ,they were not friends, they were liabilities
By tecsan at 23,Feb,24 06:11 other posts of tecsan 
Glad Texas finally stood up to uncle joe and has won so far. Could you imagine joey sending the feds to cut the razor wire and before they leave we put it back up. People have to realize that would be shown around the world on cable news. I agree, he is sinking into the bowels of hell.

By sherryann at 28,Feb,24 01:53 other posts of sherryann 
Gotta love those truckers!! about those "friends", yeah they weren't really friends. It was back in 2016 when I was subjected to their hate for Trump. When I told them I was a Trump supporter they went ballistic crazy. It was really hateful and over the top, then I never heard from them again





By phart at 23,Feb,24 16:26 other posts of phart 
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The radio programs seem to be interesting.just scroll down the page a ways and clic on and listen.


By tecsan at 19,Feb,24 07:31 other posts of tecsan 
Listen Ananas2xLekker we all know you hate The United States of America. Where would your little country be without us? Folks notice he/she will not claim he/she does not hate the USA. So now who would really want to claim him/her as a friend. He/her has many socialist supporters in it's country as we have want to be socialists in the USA.

One thing we all forgot even the framers of the Constitution is that if you want to take over a country is use their ignorance against them. I admit that I use to think the framers thought of everything, but they did not see biden and the attack coming from within the country, I do not think anyway.

Sorry for the pronouns, but now days it pays to be careful with these libtards.
By phart at 19,Feb,24 15:49 other posts of phart 
the founders had no idea that people born the free country they designed and built would ever reembrace the wicked ways of socialism and dictatorships they came to America to get away from.
That is why liberals hate history being taught in schools.
That way if kids don't know why America began, then the country can become a second europe with all it' issues far worse than ours.
By #610414 at 21,Feb,24 16:08
“ liberals hate history being taught in schools.‘ Are you serious? Have you seen what DeSantis is doing in Florida? Have you seen what other conservative politicians have been doing in other areas of the country? You have this wrong view of what socialistic practices are all about.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 18:17 other posts of phart 
Then tell me why liberal democrats do not want the WHOLE truth told about slavery for example? The democrats only want the sad side of the story told that furthers their indoctrination of the black people to believe they are only victims that are owed. When it was their own people that sold them into slavery to begin with?

Tell the WHOLE truth, not just the parts fitting to your thought process. that is the gripe.
By #610414 at 21,Feb,24 20:16
There’s only the sad truth. There’s no other side. Slavery is one of the ugliest things one human being can do to another. All this “tell the whole truth” is just BS. Their suffering was caused by ALL the whites. Don’t come now with a “but”. The Confederacy was established to protect the right to own slaves. That is the truth. That is the history.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 21:01 other posts of phart 
I didn't say not to teach that,I just said teach it all. White men were to lazy to pic their own cotton, do you think they got off the boat and chased down the black folks that were brought here? It is proven fact blacks sold blacks. to much is written about it to deny it,why not teach it,so folks will know the truth.
Are you saying wiki is wrong?
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Not meaning to derail the thread,just using a frustrating subject to prove a point.
By #610414 at 21,Feb,24 23:29
Whatever blacks did to other blacks is despicable and should be taught. That doesn’t excuse the fact that if there wasn’t a market for slaves then slaves would not have been brought here. I’ve known all my scholastic life that African blacks would enslave other blacks and sell them to slave traders. Heck, all you have to do is watch old Tarzan movies.




By tecsan at 22,Feb,24 05:01 other posts of tecsan 
Doubt it Cat. No tell me who are the culprits that destroyed or removed all the historical statues.
By #610414 at 22,Feb,24 16:09
Care to name some of those “historical statues”?




By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,24 20:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you keep saying that? I very much dislike your right-wing politics.
BUT YOU ARE NOT AMERICA!!! The majority are liberals and I like them.
The Constitution are liberal guidelines to achieve liberty, made by liberals.
I like it. You don't!
By tecsan at 20,Feb,24 06:20 other posts of tecsan 
Then why do liberals want to destroy it? Why do the liberals want to stop teaching or change the story in history? Please keep your silly beliefs to yourself Ananas2xLekker!
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 16:40 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you wear women's clothing in the weekend?

Putting a lie in your question doesn't make it true. (unless I'm right)
By tecsan at 21,Feb,24 06:19 other posts of tecsan 
????? My question was the damn truth and you jolly well know it. Stop with your dumbass remarks.
By #610414 at 21,Feb,24 16:12
It’s not a dumbass remark. The man speaks the truth. You and yours are not the USA. You are a part of the USA.
By phart at 21,Feb,24 18:18 other posts of phart 
YOu and yours are not the USA either,only a part of it,so stop trying to run the rest of us over.
By #610414 at 22,Feb,24 16:15
I’m not doing that. That would be exhausting. I’m just trying to keep you guys honest in your thoughts and words. I never hear from you guys how good it would be if the LA smog problem was solved. I never hear from you guys how the VA could be funded to a higher level. I never hear from you guys how to get the Republican side of Congress to stop trying so hard get Trump re-elected and actually pass some good legislation.
By phart at 22,Feb,24 23:28 other posts of phart 
Fix chinas emissions and alot of that smog in La would dissipate because it would not be coming to La via the Jet stream that the japanese used before WW 2 to send rice balloon bombs to the US. You might read about that. really neat use of nature even though it was for evil.




By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Feb,24 22:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"you jolly well know it" is not an argument.
Can't you think of anything better?
By phart at 21,Feb,24 23:43 other posts of phart 
I would like to know the proof that democrats and liberals are not out to destroy.
I see only evidence that they are.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 18:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The evidence is that every time a Republican is in office, they leave a fucking mess, for the Democrats to clean up.
It always ends in a big crisis, a huge deficit and high unemployment.
The world is in chaos and concerns with Republicans in office.

Every time a Democrat is in office, your country improves in that time.
The deficit goes down from what the Republicans left behind, the crisis is averted, the economy recovers, unemployment hits record lows and wages go up,
while inflation goes down and the stock market is doing great.
The world is breathing easy with Democrats in office.

That has been going on for decades and decades.









By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Funny, how Tucker Carlson explained why he didn't ask Putin, about killing all his rivals, with 'Leaders Have To Kill People'.
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And now he says: ‘No decent person would defend’ what happened to Navalny.
True, no decent person defended Putin, but Tucker did, no more than days before.
By phart at 20,Feb,24 20:26 other posts of phart 
Well, I have watched some of that interview and I really don't think much was gained by anybody.
BUT I will say this. To those that don't think Carlson did a good enough job, Please let me know when YOU ,the whiners and critics are going to schedule a interview with Putin and I might want to have you ask him a couple questions for me.

How many in this forum would have took the time,or been brave enough, to sit down with Putin?
Anyone?
Before ukraine I might have, just to try to understand the man.but not now,I don't think I could. what he is doing may make sense on paper to put the union back together and prevent the spread of Nazism but to many innocent people have died on both sides.

If you have a enemy, take out the enemy and the few that support them,not the entire population.
By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Feb,24 21:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
All the media that you hate so much asks Putin for interviews all the time.
Putin just doesn't want to do interviews with them, because they don't tickle his nuts
and suck his cock like Tucker did.

I do think it's unfair to Tucker for Putin to kill Navalny right after.
After he did so much for him. Like he wanted to put down Tucker.

He was so enthusiastic about Russia having a clean subway (which all of Europe has) and supermarket carts with coins in them (which all of Europe has) and prices in supermarkets that are so much lower than in America, but still unaffordable for Russians making $14,771/year on average.




By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Feb,24 16:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Republicans are still using 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' as the correct adjective.
So, I fully support the Democratic politicians using the adjective 'Banana Republican',
until Republicans stopt their use of 'Democrat' as adjective.
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By tecsan at 18,Feb,24 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
Believe you are mistaken socialist Ananas2xLekker, the libtards have us living in a banana republic with crooked joe as a so called leader.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Feb,24 20:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you know any other arguments, besides calling me a socialist
and just lazy flipping of the argument.
Can you think of something new and original?


By phart at 18,Feb,24 12:51 other posts of phart 
isn't it the democrat party?
Don't the candidates run as democrats?
i have not saw any use of the word that was a problem.
Democratic, would be in reference to the process would it not?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Feb,24 18:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, it isn't, it's the DemocratIC party and the RepublicAN party.
Those are called adjectives.
Well, that 1 vs 1 in correcting each other's English.
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Ok you got me there!

BUT I think I will continue to use the democrat party because it fits my feelings about the group in general.

"The real reason 'Democrat Party' is wrong is not because it's ungrammatical, but because it's incorrect in another way—the party is simply not named the Democrat Party, but the Democratic Party. Calling it anything else is discourteous"


I don't have any use for 99% of the democrats.





By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The Republican's investigations into the 2020 election finally paid off.
They found 4000 votes that were miscounted:
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By #610414 at 03,Feb,24 22:26
For shame.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Feb,24 10:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those 4000 votes were stolen from Biden, by the way.
They don't have any shame. They just hid the fact and continued to lie.
By tecsan at 06,Feb,24 05:43 other posts of tecsan 
Come on man as your precious one says, you leave out all the ballot fraud committed by the democraps. Remember Wanda? only registered users can see external links
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,24 14:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That was in a mayoral election. We are talking about the general election.
She has not been found guilty yet, by the way.

Meanwhile, the wife of a north-western Iowa county supervisor was convicted on Tuesday of a scheme to stuff the ballot box in her husband’s unsuccessful race
for a Republican nomination to run for Congress in 2020.
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List of Republicans committing voter fraud continues to grow
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By tecsan at 14,Feb,24 06:40 other posts of tecsan 
Guilty of one then could be guilty of another. Guess you know of craig the ballot stuffer. Oh yes, he is a democrap too.
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Instead of going through them individually, here's the whole list:
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The political affiliations are known for 165 defendants:
38.2% of those convicted were Democrats,
42.4% were Republicans, while the remainder were Independent,
nonpartisan, or unaffiliated.

MORE REPUBLICANS!
By tecsan at 14,Feb,24 08:31 other posts of tecsan 
You just made a point for me. Independent, nonpartisan or unaffiliated are usually libtard voters mostly. You may be surprised this year though.
By phart at 14,Feb,24 12:48 other posts of phart 
I am unaffiliated and I do NOT vote liberal. I registered that way to try to stave off all the political phone calls and such. Still have been getting a slew of junk mail lately. The mail lady actually joked yesterday, "here's you some fire starting material for the shop"
a stack of shit telling me which 1 to vote for this position and that. you would think they would use the internet more for info than that.










By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Feb,24 14:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
‘Conspiracy theorist’ accused of killing father was furious dad got vaccinated.
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Not long before, some deranged conspiracy theorist killed his father in Pennsylvania.
He showed his father's decapitated head on YouTube.

That's what you get from all that anti-vax propaganda.
It starts with 'I'm just asking questions', and then giving false answers
and it ends in people killing their own family.


By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Jan,24 14:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Here is Senator Sheldon Whitehouse explaining in detail how big oil and other
corporate interests are diverting unlimited amounts of dark money to fund propaganda
to help the big polluters keep making their money, while Americans get poisoned.
He shows the rank corruption that the Republican party is engaged in.

That corruption only favors the current industry that is fighting against their inevitable replacement. They are fighting against innovation. Innovation isn't an obstacle to the growth of your economy. Without innovation, American cars and other products would only be sold in America and nowhere else. Regulation forces innovation and innovation keeps you competitive.

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By tecsan at 01,Feb,24 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
Who cares, I will not be pushed into an undependable EV ( Also where are you supposed to charge them ). I will stick with my gasoline powered engine. Thanks anyway.

I have never even seen an EV charging station!
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Feb,24 09:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you think this is just about EV's?
Lots of people in Texas ar breathing toxic air from fracking.
That is for natural gas, of which 40% is used for electricity.
Solar panels and wind turbines don't make your air toxic.

Innovation doesn't even have to stop fossil fuels, but just
make fossil fuel companies pollute your air and water less.
They are fucking you over, for a bit more profit.

I don't want YOU to get cancer, because of Europe's higher demand.

Don't you even care about the air you breath yourself?

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Jon Stewart nailing it:
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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Jan,24 15:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm sure this is all very woke, but how is he wrong?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Jan,24 13:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Right-wing commentators don't have any principles or backbone.
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By dgraff at 19,Jan,24 22:11 other posts of dgraff 
What about wrestling commentators and Republican Jessie Ventura are you going to tell him to his face that he has no backbone
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Next you will want to tell Arnold Schwarzenegger he has a little dick
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Jan,24 22:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I meant POLITICAL commentators, and OK, maybe not all of them them.
Jesse Ventura is actually a good example of someone with opinions that differ a lot
from mine, but who I actually trust to be honest and principled.
I consider Arnold to be mostly genuine too. I think he has big balls.

That you are able to provide these examples, does give me a sign
that you understand how awfully fake most of the others are.

Did you actually watch the video or just commented on my comment?
If you watched it, you might understand why I said it.




By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Jan,24 13:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Johnson risks same fate as McCarthy with spending deal"
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So they found a guy who is a awful as possible, but as soon as he even tried to do 1%
of what he is supposed to do, the crazy MAGA lunatics want him out again.
They want him to do just one thing; create as much damage to America as possible,
so they can blame it on the Democrats.

If voters weren't as stupid, that wouldn't be a viable strategy....


By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Dec,23 08:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ron DeSantis’s Wife, Casey, Encouraged Republicans to Commit Voter Fraud in Iowa
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By tecsan at 12,Dec,23 08:53 other posts of tecsan 
I suppose no libtard has ever done that. Probably on a larger scale is why there is no comparison.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Dec,23 09:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Indeed, no libtard has ever done that.
By tecsan at 13,Dec,23 03:51 other posts of tecsan 
Indeed that is bullshit.

By tecsan at 13,Dec,23 03:52 other posts of tecsan 
Indeed that is bullshit. Libtards have done it for years, including H ROTTEN C.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 11:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Did Hillary ask people to vote in another state than where people are registered?
Show me the evidence! If they've done it for years, that should be easy.
By tecsan at 15,Dec,23 07:34 other posts of tecsan 
I really do not fully understand the question. I can legally vote in another state other than my own, but I believe I can only vote once. Now mail in ballots are another form of fraud. Then biden will be voting for himself from the grave.
By #610414 at 22,Dec,23 03:07
Not so
Even if you own a home in two different states, it is a felony to vote in more than one state in the same election.
By tecsan at 22,Dec,23 04:33 other posts of tecsan 
I did not say I vote twice. Just said I can legally vote in another state. But hell, felonies to the biden's are nothing. Stop Trump with all legal means necessary and illegal means also.
By #610414 at 22,Dec,23 13:14
I don’t understand your point about voting.



By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Dec,23 15:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you don't understand what was wrong, then why do you even react to it?

Casey DeSantis said: “you do not have to be a resident of Iowa to be able to participate in the caucus”. She was obviously not talking about the general election.

Her remarks collided with Iowa law and caucus rules, which strictly limit participation to legal residents of the state.








By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Dec,23 07:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
This is what happens if you privatize lifeguards:
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By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Dec,23 10:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
George Santos Vows Revenge Against GOP Reps That Voted to Expel Him
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He is outing several of his former colleagues for their corruption.
Didn't I say before that George Santos is doing beautiful damage to the GOP?

He's even threatening to expose a gay-bashing Republican for his hidden homosexuality.

YOU GO GIRL!
By phart at 05,Dec,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
why would anyone give his words any creditability when the whole reason he was expelled is because he lied his way into office??
By tecsan at 06,Dec,23 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
Not to mention that he his a crook. I think that is a requirement for Democrats.
By phart at 06,Dec,23 18:10 other posts of phart 
I don't think even the democrats want him.they helped get rid of him

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Dec,23 21:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Meanwhile, there was one Democrat who was actually a crook, Sen. Bob Menendez, and the Democrats kicked him out immediately, while the Republicans defended him.
By tecsan at 07,Dec,23 04:23 other posts of tecsan 
You never seen me defend the SOB. Think the Republicans just wanted to see how easy it was to defend a democrat. Menendez was too low on the chain for them to defend him. You need to be President or a relative for the nuts to defend you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are correct to defend the president, because the Republicans are constantly lying about finding anything suspicious, while there is nothing.
Speaking of Hunter, he has obviously taken advantage of the credentials of his father, but there is again no evidence at all that his father was involved.
Republicans are lying about that too. James Comer is trying to use the paying back of a loan of $4000 for car payments, in 2018 when Biden was not in office, which is confirmed by bank records and messages, as evidence of corruption.

It's all projection, because they are much more corrupt themselves.
James Comer and his own brother have engaged in multiple land swaps over the years, through family-owned businesses, that do not appear to actually EXIST.
That obviously is some sort of money laundering scheme.
That did all happen while James Comer was in office. How about investigating that?
By #610414 at 07,Dec,23 16:14
What’s that old saying, “Do as I say, not as I do”?
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Every single thing they accuse others of doing,
is an admission of guilt for that exact thing.
By #610414 at 07,Dec,23 16:27
It’s what guides their thinking. They think everyone is as crooked as them in their lifestyle.

By phart at 07,Dec,23 18:04 other posts of phart 
So what you are saying no 1 will never accuse the democrats of being honest?
By #610414 at 08,Dec,23 12:33
I’ve lived a few years, Phart, and I can tell you that few politicians, Repukers or Dumbocrats, are totally honest. The degree of “honesty” is what makes one individual preferable over another. In general, people are like that. There are less percentage of dishonest people in the general population but it’s there. These days, the want of a politician wanting to do something good for his country, is no longer so. Now it’s “What’s in it for me.”.
In relation to this last, the Repuckers are always looking for “What’s in it for them even if they screw the rest of the country.”. It may be money. It may be power. It may be religious belief. They won’t accept any compromise.



By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:38 other posts of tecsan 
You nailed it CAT, exactly how libtards think.
By #610414 at 08,Dec,23 12:35
It’s how everyone thinks. The difference is in WHO BENEFITS. Take the previous Clown, what did he do that was for the people and not for himself first? The answer is, “NOTHING”.



By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:41 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker, I hope you are not as stupid as you sound. What more proof do you want, you want it on camera of sort. Wow, I have seen libtards defend libtards, but this ridiculous.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Dec,23 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
More? I haven't seen ANY!

Instead of your insults, PRESENT THAT PROOF!
By phart at 08,Dec,23 19:58 other posts of phart 
Where is the "proof" republicans did anything and why is that "proof" golden where as the "proof" on democrats is all hog wash? Eh?
By #681164 at 09,Dec,23 00:00
These is a list of tainted politicians. It ciontains some Democrats too.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 12:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We were talking about George Santos and his prosecutor will show the 'proof'.

But here are a few examples:

The corruption of Trump was on every news channel in the world.
At least we could praise the openness of his corruption.
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Just Google 'Texas attorney general Ken Paxton corruption'.

Republican Representative Duncan Hunter has pleaded guilty to conspiring to steal more than $150,000 in campaign funds.

James Comer and his brother engaging in land swaps related to their family farming business. In one deal—also involving $200,000, as well as a shell company—the more powerful and influential Comer channeled extra money to his brother, seemingly from nothing. Other recent land swaps were quickly followed with new applications for special tax breaks, state records show.

Then we have the ridiculous corruption of your Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. All the gifts he got from his wealthy friends are uncovered by Homeland Security, ask them for the evidence. As far as I can find, it is:
- 38 destination vacations (including a yacht voyage around the Bahamas)
- 26 private jet flights (about $130,000 per flight)
- eight helicopter flights
- a dozen VIP passes to costly sporting events
- two stays at luxury resorts in Florida and Jamaica
- an open invitation to an “uber-exclusive golf club
- Harlan Crow buying the house that Thomas’ mother was renting and then spending tens of thousands of dollars of improvements and likely not charging for rent
- Harlan Crow building one new house on the block and renting it to a local police officer, for protection
- Harlan Crow buying properties that Thomas and his family owned for much more than they were valued
- private boarding school tuition for Thomas’ grandnephew
- his wife Ginni accepting payments from conservative donors
It's nice to have rich friends who 'help' you like that, right?

I'm sure you think that's all fine for Republicans, but if it's a Democrat,
which it much more rarely is, then it would be a problem.
By #610414 at 14,Dec,23 16:35
Ken Paxton should have his balls cut off and fed to him. How dare he put his political ambitions before the welfare of a pregnant woman.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Dec,23 17:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are you referring to this?
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Yes, the corrupt asshole is also an absolute scumbag!
By #610414 at 14,Dec,23 17:39
Yes! We know he's corrupt as anyone in or out of politics, but, to stop a woman from medically needed help is beyond anything.
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Everyone's death is worth their pro-life narrative.


















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