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Started by tecsan at 13,Sep,22 07:10  other posts of tecsan
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.

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By tecsan at 09,Dec,23 08:10 other posts of tecsan 
Druggie hunter is guilty as hell. He already admitted it.
By phart at 09,Dec,23 13:41 other posts of phart 
Nothing will happen to him, he is the presidents son, would you want to be the judge that put the presidents son in jail?
The clinton list would get a addition as the judge would have some strange accident.his lamp cord would jump up off the floor and choke him or something
Corruption is running rampant in washington right now.
By tecsan at 10,Dec,23 10:01 other posts of tecsan 
In this case I would love to be the judge, but I would be disqualified because of my bias. Corruption in DC has been rampant for many years now. Maybe someone was close to disclosing it. If you were one of the corrupt ones then you would try at all costs from be disclosed.

By phart at 10,Dec,23 05:22 other posts of phart 
Cnn of all things, showing real people suffering,and coping the best they can,
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By phart at 09,Dec,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
So the Hunter has 9 more charges against him. I wonder when the impeachment of the Gatherer, will begin?

The bidens are hunters and gatherers of money

By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Dec,23 10:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
George Santos Vows Revenge Against GOP Reps That Voted to Expel Him
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He is outing several of his former colleagues for their corruption.
Didn't I say before that George Santos is doing beautiful damage to the GOP?

He's even threatening to expose a gay-bashing Republican for his hidden homosexuality.

By phart at 05,Dec,23 15:06 other posts of phart 
why would anyone give his words any creditability when the whole reason he was expelled is because he lied his way into office??
By tecsan at 06,Dec,23 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
Not to mention that he his a crook. I think that is a requirement for Democrats.
By phart at 06,Dec,23 18:10 other posts of phart 
I don't think even the democrats want him.they helped get rid of him

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Dec,23 21:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Meanwhile, there was one Democrat who was actually a crook, Sen. Bob Menendez, and the Democrats kicked him out immediately, while the Republicans defended him.
By tecsan at 07,Dec,23 04:23 other posts of tecsan 
You never seen me defend the SOB. Think the Republicans just wanted to see how easy it was to defend a democrat. Menendez was too low on the chain for them to defend him. You need to be President or a relative for the nuts to defend you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are correct to defend the president, because the Republicans are constantly lying about finding anything suspicious, while there is nothing.
Speaking of Hunter, he has obviously taken advantage of the credentials of his father, but there is again no evidence at all that his father was involved.
Republicans are lying about that too. James Comer is trying to use the paying back of a loan of $4000 for car payments, in 2018 when Biden was not in office, which is confirmed by bank records and messages, as evidence of corruption.

It's all projection, because they are much more corrupt themselves.
James Comer and his own brother have engaged in multiple land swaps over the years, through family-owned businesses, that do not appear to actually EXIST.
That obviously is some sort of money laundering scheme.
That did all happen while James Comer was in office. How about investigating that?
By CAT at 07,Dec,23 16:14 other posts of CAT 
What’s that old saying, “Do as I say, not as I do”?
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Dec,23 16:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Every single thing they accuse others of doing,
is an admission of guilt for that exact thing.
By CAT at 07,Dec,23 16:27 other posts of CAT 
It’s what guides their thinking. They think everyone is as crooked as them in their lifestyle.

By phart at 07,Dec,23 18:04 other posts of phart 
So what you are saying no 1 will never accuse the democrats of being honest?
By CAT at 08,Dec,23 12:33 other posts of CAT 
I’ve lived a few years, Phart, and I can tell you that few politicians, Repukers or Dumbocrats, are totally honest. The degree of “honesty” is what makes one individual preferable over another. In general, people are like that. There are less percentage of dishonest people in the general population but it’s there. These days, the want of a politician wanting to do something good for his country, is no longer so. Now it’s “What’s in it for me.”.
In relation to this last, the Repuckers are always looking for “What’s in it for them even if they screw the rest of the country.”. It may be money. It may be power. It may be religious belief. They won’t accept any compromise.

By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:38 other posts of tecsan 
You nailed it CAT, exactly how libtards think.
By CAT at 08,Dec,23 12:35 other posts of CAT 
It’s how everyone thinks. The difference is in WHO BENEFITS. Take the previous Clown, what did he do that was for the people and not for himself first? The answer is, “NOTHING”.

By tecsan at 08,Dec,23 08:41 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker, I hope you are not as stupid as you sound. What more proof do you want, you want it on camera of sort. Wow, I have seen libtards defend libtards, but this ridiculous.
By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Dec,23 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
More? I haven't seen ANY!

Instead of your insults, PRESENT THAT PROOF!
By phart at 08,Dec,23 19:58 other posts of phart 
Where is the "proof" republicans did anything and why is that "proof" golden where as the "proof" on democrats is all hog wash? Eh?
By WOODY58 at 09,Dec,23 00:00 other posts of WOODY58 
These is a list of tainted politicians. It ciontains some Democrats too.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Dec,23 21:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The right-wing group Moms for Liberty is in serious trouble right now. After reports emerged last week that one of the founders down here in the state of Florida, her husband, who happens to be the chair of the Florida Republican Party, has been accused of sexual battery by a woman who, both the man Christian Ziglar and his wife Bridget Ziglar, the founder of Moms for Liberty, were supposed to be having a threesome with,
but unfortunately they had to cancel it according to the affidavits now released by the police department. Bridget Ziglar, again, a co-founder of the right wing group, moms for Liberty behind some of the book bans across the country because they're indoctrinating our children into their sexual deviancy, told police "Yeah, we had scheduled a threesome with this woman, but I unfortunately had to cancel that particular day.". But according to the woman who made the complaint against Ziegler's husband, they had been doing this for quite some time.

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Right-wingers like them are accusing everyone of sexual deviancy, but meanwhile they are closeted homosexuals who suck male prostitutes in back alleys, or they hire a black man to fuck their wife while they are jerking off, or their teen daughter had several abortions already, or they have been watching teen boys in the shower, or they talk about how they would want to take the virginity of their daughter, or they are just doing everything they have ever accused democrats of doing.

It is amazing how hypocritical conservatives are. Every single thing they accuse others of doing, or are firmly against, is an admission of guilt for that exact thing.

By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Dec,23 09:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe you've heard about a car crashing at very high speed and exploding,
at the US-Canada bridge.

Here's the difference with liberal and right-wing media:
CNN and MSNBC just reported it as an accident, because there was no evidence
to report it as anything else.

Fox 'News' immediately called it a terror attack.
They had to retract it later, because there is no reason to think that.

And now Fox 'News' is blaming the liberal media, while it was their own
irresponsible fearmongering, to call it a terror attack.
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Fox 'News' doesn't have any journalistic integrity, it's propaganda.
They just want you to be afraid and angry, so you'll vote for a dictator,
to protect you from the bullshit they put in your brain.
They have nothing real to offer you, so they lie to you 24/7.

There is a code of ethics for journalists. Fox 'News' shits on it.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Nov,23 11:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
David Cross: Why America Sucks at Everything
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I found it through this guy, Nate Lawson, reacting to it:
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By tecsan at 11,Nov,23 05:36 other posts of tecsan 
We know you HATE AMERICA. So what is your point?
By phart at 11,Nov,23 15:02 other posts of phart 
I didn't watch these 2 but i watched something about cleaning your room.
head scratchers as to what it all has to do with the real world.
a few water pumps stop and ananas won't be with us any longer, and he thinks America has issues.
By tecsan at 13,Nov,23 07:20 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker hates America. That is why people are invading our southern border. To escape his ideology.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those are AMERICANS, telling YOU that your country sucks.
Better listen, if you still want to do something to MAGA.
How can you MAGA, if you don't listen to people telling you
what problems you have in America?

Or are you like Hillary, saying 'America is already great'?
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:47 other posts of phart 
I want to see America be like it was when I was growing up. If you wanted a nice car,you went and bought what you WANTED,not what the government let the company sell you.Want a nice home, build it yourself! Now zoning and counties require specialist and such to do so much of the work all you can do is stand back and pay the bill and wait till they all leave to fix something the way you actually want it behind the governments back.
People were working, people were being successful ,achieving goals. Sure we had a "cold war" going on with Russia but at that time all they were doing was the same as us, trying to survive and make sure the world knew they would and could defend themselves ,same as us.
Now we shouldn't be that scared of russia ,both countries are
are blasting syria right now, keeping it's terrorist in check We are now forced to be scared of lone wolf terrorist and those backed by middle eastern interest. A fear we didn't have growing up.

By tecsan at 15,Nov,23 04:53 other posts of tecsan 
People coming here to escape your socialist, marxist or communist ideology is about all I need to prove your crap is just that. I know there are some terrorists in the groups, but that is uncle joe's fault. Eventhough he does not know what day this is or who is going to change his diaper next.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 14:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're showing how little you understand of it, by calling my ideas the 'socialist, marxist or communist ideology', parroting Trump and all other dumb right-wingers.

And, like always, the only thing you can come up with to criticize Biden is his age.
It shows that you are unable to think about what actually matters in the world.

Trump definitely wears a diaper (too). You're only claiming Biden does, because it was said about Trump way before. It's your standard projection.
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Trump regularly makes mistakes in his rallies, thinking Obama is still president or he won an election against Obama or warns that Biden is taking the nation into WWII. He's obviously experiencing mental decline, which is a problem, because he never had much intelligence, even when he was younger.

In any conversation, Biden is coherent and logical, while Trump is incoherent, chaotic, fully self-centered (which can be a mental health condition, a personality disorder and a symptom of Alzheimer's disease) and he's constantly saying the dumbest things imaginable. The only reason that Trump cares about the next election, is getting off from all his indictments, by pardoning himself, which would be the most shameful act by an American president in history, and getting revenge on all the people he holds accountable for holding him accountable. He doesn't care about you or any other American. He only cares about himself and you are a dumb-ass for supporting a man of that character.
By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 04:39 other posts of tecsan 
I have NEVER criticized joey about his age, if so prove it here. I criticized his cognition which could also apply to a 3 year old. Stop lying about me. I know what matters in the world, but do you. Stop defending the underdogs that do terrorist acts. Ok you say Israel is a terrorist group. So if another terrorist group attacks then you agree with it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 08:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Talking about his diaper changes is a 'joke' about his age,
because it's bullshit related to his cognition.
His lack of energy and the soft way he speaks is related to his age,
his actual cognition is in better shape than Trump's cognition.

You're judging Biden on appearing weak, which is related to his age.
You're not judging Biden on his memory or his ability to answer a question or his ability to understand a difficult topic, which is his cognition.
It's all just about appearances for you. And on appearances, Trump looks better. Trump speaks with confidence and energy. However, if you actually listen to what Trump and Biden are saying, then Trump is way more incoherent in his message, his vocabulary has diminished even further and makes mistakes about people and facts constantly. When he holds a rally, I can see that even some of his crowd are starting to notice. That's his cognition.

Additionally, Biden is more intelligent and more knowledgeable.
He'd do much better on any test than Trump, and you.
That's why I would vote for a weak but wiser man like Biden over a way more energetic, but dangerously stupid Trump, with his brain obviously turning into mush more every day.
By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 08:39 other posts of tecsan 
You really think so, then bring it on anytime. I know the differece between a circle and triangle. I also know how to walk off of a stage without help and I can walk up steps without falling three times. I also need no diaper change which some do when they're COGNITION fails. Have any other smartass remarks about diaper changes? Cognition has a lot to do with having to wear a diaper, not just age. Keep the smartass remarks coming. Guess you got the dootie duty today by your remarks.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 08:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"I know the differece between a circle and triangle." So does Biden.

"I also know how to walk off of a stage without help and I can walk up steps without falling three times." That's his AGE!!!
By tecsan at 17,Nov,23 03:58 other posts of tecsan 
I have one question for him, if I ever get the chance. 'What year is this'?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Don't be silly, I see him answer questions that YOU are not able to.
Neither can Trump. He can only talk about how he's 'being treated unfairly'.
I fear that either Biden and Trump in his current state will have troubles with that dementia test, but Trump has always been a dangerous selfish lunatic, who should have never been near The White House. Biden has always been a nice neo-liberal career politician, just like my last prime minister. Also not my favorite person to have in The White House, but at least not an imminent existential danger, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

When you vote for Democrats you get experienced bureaucrats who want to keep the government running smoothly. When their dementing president wants to do something stupid, they will calm him down and gently reason him out of it.
When you vote for Republicans, these days, you get utter lunatic Christo-fascists, who want to destroy the government, that keeps America minimally survivable. When their dementing president wants to do something stupid, they will cheer him on; "Yes, nuke them all!" and cum in their pants.

By WOODY58 at 16,Nov,23 23:34 other posts of WOODY58 
Is that a reference to Trump needing help to get down a ramp?
By tecsan at 25,Nov,23 07:27 other posts of tecsan 
I really doubt that, biden is the one falling upstairs when most fall 'DOWN' stairs.
By WOODY58 at 27,Nov,23 01:42 other posts of WOODY58 
It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that he's the president while Trump has 93 indictments (I think it's 93).

By tecsan at 19,Nov,23 05:57 other posts of tecsan 
Really, anything I say is racist or Trumpism to you. We get that you hate America. Move on.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Not everything that you are saying is racist, but a lot. You hate a lot of people
and many of them are not white. It's not always because of their color, but you definitely have lots of prejudices based on color, religion and ethnicity.

Those prejudices based on color, religion and ethnicity are part of Trumpism.

America isn't racist; the Constitution is against racism. I like that.

Trumpism hates "all men are created equal", people having the unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, equal rights, fair elections, equal protection under the laws, secularism, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, free education, three separate but equal branches of government, the power to declare war in the hands of Congress, the freedom against search and seizure and barring excessive bail and fines and cruel and unusual punishment.
Some of those rights you want for yourself, but for no one else.
That's not supporting the Constitution. You only support the Constitution,
if you support it for everyone.

It's not me that hates America, it's Trumpism that hates America!
That's why I call that Trumpism; Anti-American.

By tecsan at 16,Nov,23 04:59 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe MAGA is winning and a majority say things were better with MAGA. Remember Maga was not ultra maga then, but joey made it that way. We have a weakling representing us now which much of the world like, you know idiots like you.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 13:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Better a weakling than a stupid, dangerous, selfish fascist.

Whatever MAGA stands for, there is nothing in your history that they want to bring back that will make your country better, let alone Great Again.

There were things that made America better than it is now,
the ability for a person with a normal job to buy a home.
Neither the 'normal' Republicans, nor MAGA, nor ultra-MAGA
has any plans that will ever give back the ability to a person
with a normal job to buy a home.
The only plans I see from 'normal' Republicans, MAGA, or ultra-MAGA
are screwing the middle class even more, in favor of the wealthy
and returning to racism, sexism and bigotry and supporting stupidity.
They support a mix of oligarchy and Christian fascism. Nothing else!

In any case, that's the opposite of what the Constitution describes.
Ultra-MAGA is unAmerican and planning to do treason against the USA (again).
People who understand that, would vote for a potted plant over Trump.

By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you think I'm politically active? I'm 'cleaning my room'.
I have seen all the dirt and trash that right-wingers threw in 'my room',
and now I'm helping people with brains and responsibility clean it up.

Every problem in my country is the consequence of right-wingers giving away public ownership to the market, increasing the price and increasing bureaucracy, the exact opposite of what they promised would happen.

Still, my country is about 100X better organized than yours.
The US would rely on a 'few pumps' to protect your country, we do not.
There is literally nothing that the US does only a little bit better.
Your country is organized worse than the poorest countries in Europe.
The bottom 50% of Americans are living like the poorest Europeans.
Meanwhile, you have the richest 1% people in the world.
Supporting that system is hurting you, because you are in the bottom percentages.

So, when are you going to clean your room?
Or are you helping the 1% clean their room, by starving you to death.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 15:03 other posts of phart 
I wouldn't HAVE a fucking room if it weren't for people with more than I have providing a job for me to work and earn a salary until i was unable.

would you have a room if you didn't have a job?
would it be as nice?
would should a free room be as good as 1 that a working person lives in?
a free room should be nothing that needs much cleaning,a floor 4 walls and a roof, want better,go to work for the man that has more than you and is willing to compensate you for your time spent doing his work.
By CAT at 14,Nov,23 15:24 other posts of CAT 
To me you come across as someone that totally undervalues your own worth. It's not compensation. It's bartering using your labor and knowledge to trade for a worthy price. The employer is not doing you a favor. He needs you as much as you need him.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:35 other posts of phart 
I understand that i have value ,I just have enough sense to know my value is not as high as someone with a higher engineering degree or more physical ability's than myself.
And I am doing the employer a favor and he is doing me 1.
The employer could have used the money he invested in a company or a product and just went to jamacia and lived and not made the choice of risking his worth to build a company that employes others.
Gm is 1 of few employers that may not be able to move totally off shore because of national security but most any company that makes wheel barrows or tractors or kitchen sinks can move off shore and save millions of dollars over the course of time. BUt they for some reason decide to stay here and employ Americans.So they are actually doing you a favor.
By CAT at 15,Nov,23 00:31 other posts of CAT 
The reason for a business to stay here is that moving to another country is very very expensive and the transition to local laws, labor practices and language makes it an insurmountable task. Only big, multinational corporations can do that and they all have a foothold in the country they are moving to. Another reason is that owners have family and friends here. They don't want to move. You have this mistaken idea that employers are doing you a favor for creating a job for you. Their main interest is TO MAKE MONEY. They couldn't care who works for them as long as the work is done. You think they would give you a second thought when they don't need you anymore?. I can't believe you've reached late middle age and you haven't seen this.

By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 16:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How about people who are born unable to work or get turned that way as a kid,
by some drunk driver? Shouldn't they have a room?

If I didn't have a job, then 'Why not?', that's the question.
The answer determines how nice my room should be.
If I'm unable to work, the room should be nicer than when I'm unwilling to work.

There should be a minimum room for everyone, even the most lazy, selfish, drug addicted person who could be working at any job, but just are too lazy. That room shouldn't be nice, but nice enough to sit around doing nothing and living their life of the other people's effort.
That's the person that will otherwise just turn to crime, which makes them more damaging to society. They would hurt people and they would need to be incarcerated, adding to your $80 billion prison cost. It's much cheaper to just let those people be worthless but harmless.

Anyone who's not the most lazy, selfish, drug addicted person, would just want more than that minimum room, because most people want to have goals in life. Most people want to be useful or valuable to society. That's what we need, people who have the time to think about how they can serve society best. There is no use in forcing people to do some stupid, useless job, just because they need to eat and have a roof over their head.

The value I add to society is more than enough to feed and minimally house some useless bum. However, the value I add is not going to them or to me, but mostly to a few billionaires, who are just as useless. They sit around doing nothing too, but they have money working for them. That money is not serving bums, or society, it's just serving those billionaires in getting even richer.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:40 other posts of phart 
Disabled people, kids, folks that are not in control of their destiny do need help. And the first place that help should come from is family. not government.
those without family, perhaps then the government should step up.
And i can't see the Financial gain in housing someone in a free room for being worthless over that of prison.
Prison can be contracted out and done in bulk in simple structures and feedings at a lower cost than housing bums in nice apartments. Putting a bum in a apartment with wifi and jacuzzi is not going to motivate them to be anything better.
The rich you call bums can always pull their investments,taking away your tax base for your government to provide freebies with and take away the jobs also.
By CAT at 15,Nov,23 00:33 other posts of CAT 
Family does help and when it's not enough, it's the family's responsibility to ask for help outside the family.
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And, by the way, the rich will NOT pull their investments and loose their profits just to keep from paying taxes that account for a very little percentage compared to their profits. Phart, just ask any businessman if he would close his business just to "moon" the government and see what they say.

By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 15:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"And i can't see the Financial gain in housing someone in a free room for being worthless over that of prison."

It is not that hard phart; to put someone in prison, they first need to commit a crime. I hope we agree on that, right? That crime causes damage to people. Understand? See why that is worse? And prisons are more expensive than just cheap social housing, because they require guards and lots of other facilities.
At least, some worthless bum can buy his own groceries and feed himself. An American prisoner costs $39,924 per year ($109.38 per day). Pay a bum half that money and they can take care of themselves.

"The rich you call bums can always pull their investments,taking away your tax base for your government to provide freebies with and take away the jobs also."
That's why you shouldn't allow a few individuals all that power and money!!!
Because, it makes democracy useless, if wealthy people control everything!!!

It's like, you got some bright moment of understanding here.
Keep it in your head for a while, think about it.
By phart at 16,Nov,23 02:33 other posts of phart 
I am sorry but you might want to go back over those numbers, "affordable" housing in this area , starts at 300,000 dollars!
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Nov,23 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not "affordable" housing. That's a ridiculous price, resulting from housing being left to the 'market'.

I'm not asking to buy $300,000 houses for bums, I'm asking for low cost social housing projects, that they can rent.

Rent is just also ridiculously expensive, because that kind of housing is also left to the 'market'. Everything important for people to live has been changed to a 'market' for rich people to became even richer. My first rental home was $320 per month, when it was still owned by a social housing foundation. Not even 20 years later, those same houses, which are now even a little bit more dilapidated, are costing at least $600 per month now. That's because my right-wing government turned the the social housing foundations into partly privatized housing corporations, who need to make lots of profits, to pay the higher taxes that my right-wing government introduced.

We had one minister of housing, called Stef Blok, during the second term of our right-wing PM Mark Rutte, changing the housing responsibility of the government to a 'market'. He then claimed: 'The housing market is running like a charm'. Yes, for his rich friends, who are now making millions from investing in houses. Individuals who own and rent out houses almost pay no taxes, while the former social renting foundations are taxed through the nose. In 10 years the average rent increase was 35%. Because investors from all over the world are buying up houses, the price of houses for sale also shot up like a rocket.
We were smart to buy a house just before that, because we would never be able to afford one now anymore.

Your country has been controlled by right-wing policies for decades, mine hasn't. That's why I see their damage so clearly. I've seen a well organized government, providing good services to almost everyone, turned to shit in about 15 years by right-wing policies. That created 10 huge problems in my country:
1. Purchasing power / shrinking middle class (increased inequality)
2. Asylum crisis (cuts to the Immigration and Naturalization Service)
3. Energy crisis (due to privatization)
4. Nitrogen crisis (due to deregulation)
5. Housing crisis (due to privatization)
6. Healthcare costs getting out of control (privatization)
7. Climate causing increasing damages (not enough investments)
8. People receiving Child Benefits getting treated as fraudsters
9. Corona crisis managed poorly (ignorance)
10. Groningen natural gas extraction causing houses to collapse

We are still doing a lot better than the US, but left to right-winger, our country will be changed fairly quickly into something just as horrible as the US. We already have the second most expensive healthcare system in the world, after the US, because the Christian conservative government, before Rutte, privatized our healthcare system. It was promised to reduce costs and bureaucracy, but it did the exact opposite. All of the left predicted this, and they were 100% correct.
By phart at 17,Nov,23 12:18 other posts of phart 
if you can't afford to feed kids and raise them you should not be getting benefits, unless something happened like your house burns or your health declines suddenly not allowing you to work to support them.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 08:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"if you can't afford to feed kids and raise them you should not be getting benefits,"

People should not NEED benefits to feed kids and raise them.
The problem is that too many jobs don't support feeding and raising kids,
even when nothing happened like your house burns or your health declines suddenly.

That's why you need a minimum wage; so people make enough money from a fulltime job, so they can feed kids and raise them.

That's why you need public services, supporting people's basic needs, instead of leaving it up to the market, which is only interested in maximizing profits to enrich a few selfish people, making those services unaffordable for lots of working class people.

This is exactly what I describing, but you're talking about 'benefits'.
You're not giving a REASON for what you're saying, you're just saying it.

You're just saying to people; "You're on your own!"
"Can't make enough money to have kids? Sucks for you!"
That idea results in millions of people not making kids.
If you are OK with that, have it your way, but it's not MAGA.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 14:31 other posts of phart 
Why would you even consider having kids knowing full well you can't provide for them as they need?
Lack of common sense. You operate with the mindset of, "drop 10 and let the government feed them". Then they really are not YOUR kids anymore. When the government puts money into something,they also take control.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 16:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No man, anyone with a fulltime job should make enough money to be able to raise kids. Most couples are working at least one fulltime job. That should be enough to be able to raise kids. I just said that. How do you get from that, to the government feeding them, again?

It's crazy that the government should take care of people with a fulltime job. That's the system that you support, where wealthy people are allowed to exploit working people so much, that they are depending on the government. You still don't understand the socialism that I support. It will make people LESS dependent on the government, not more.

I don't want to pay taxes to subsidize companies who don't pay their employees enough. It's their job to pay their employees enough to live on and raise kids on. Companies who cannot do that deserve to go bankrupt. Then those employees can do more useful jobs. Any job that is useful should pay enough to live on and raise kids on.

By WOODY58 at 16,Nov,23 23:38 other posts of WOODY58 
Affordable housing and giving a homeless person a place to stay is at opposite ends
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:02 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What do you mean with 'at opposite ends'?

If there is 'affordable housing' for everyone, there wouldn't be homeless people.
By WOODY58 at 20,Nov,23 14:06 other posts of WOODY58 
Perhaps semantics inadvertently showed up in this chat. I believe you meant "affordable housing" as a unit that has, at least, a bedroom/living area, a bathroom, and a cooking area. If so, I agree with you.
I believe that "a place to stay" for homeless people is a communal area with bunk beds and a communal bathroom. The place would be a shelter from the weather and have a soup kitchen providing simple hot food.
In the US, affordable housing is subsidized (partial government funding) private development where the developer builds almost at cost plus a small profit. Then, the project is maintained by the local housing authority. The people that live there are long term tenants or renters.
Many homeless people, due to mantal health, addiction, or lack of education, don't stay in one place for long. The "place to stay" is just a shelter to catch their breath, so to speak.
In the case of affordable housing, those that are "housed" pay an affordable amount to maintain their unit. In the case of the homeless housing, the state and/or private donations maintain the housing unit. That's why I said they are opposites.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 14:34 other posts of phart 
Well here is 1 issue. IF the homeless are homeless because of drugs, why arn't they expected to clean themselves up before getting help?
Why aid and abet their bad habits?
Why is a person becoming a drug addict ,quitting their job, leaving their family suddenly become the governments problem ?When they make the decision to pump dope or alcohol into themselves and allow it to take control, they are making their own bed. The people, the taxpayers ,are NOT making their why should the tax payers have to keep them up?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 15:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not aiding and abetting their bad habits, it's aiding and abetting their recovery.

Your idea is that it's their fault, so they have to be punished for it. However, you're not just punishing them, you are punishing society. People make mistakes sometimes. If they did a crime, then there should be punishment attached to that, but you are not even talking about crimes, but mistakes that are hurting mostly themselves. No one in their right mind would do that, so the best way to correct them is correct their mind. You don't do that with punishment, you do that with education and correcting their mental stability. Punishment is only prolonging their incorrect state of mind. Meanwhile, they are causing damage to other people than themselves. They are a burden to society, instead of contributing to it. The most efficient method of fixing that is my way. Your way will keep them in addiction longer, force them into crime, force them into prison, causing them in a downward spiral. Every step in that process funds drugs trade, destroys what remains of their brain, eliminates what morality and hope they have left and makes the rest of us less safe.
The tax payers should want to pay for their recovery, because it provides

Another reason; someday it might be you. Even if you are part of the 1% club, there is always a possible route to the bottom. Bad luck is always around the corner and people make mistakes. Of course, in your country, the richest people are almost impervious to bad luck and mostly unaccountable for their mistakes, but most people are just a medical emergency away from bankruptcy. You have been told a lie, a million times, that all those people in trouble have caused it themselves. You know it's not true for you, but you keep believing it for everyone else and keep basing your ideology on that false belief.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 18:12 other posts of phart 
I am 56 years old and no one has taken any action to f0rce me to take a drink ,or to take a pill or shot in the arm of illegal substances.
I have had doctors prescribe everything up to fentanyl for my pain that i had to stand down from after the 2d dose because it altered my thinking, mood and so forth to a point people were afraid of me.Oxy, what little of it I used, did deal with the pain but I was so demotivated that i had no desire to eat,or do anything but lay in a chair. A miserable exsistance.
So when you tell me that it is NOT the persons fault they are a drug addict, that is why i disagree. I had all the chances in the world of getting it legally and being 400 pounds and brainless. But I resisted. so can others. They willing allow themselves to take drugs, or a drink and once they realize it alters their well being ,if they continue, it is their fault. No one else's.
Now I can agree, they are a burden to society, but I have watched a former classmate,a genius by iq sadly, go thru rehab over 35 times and serve several prison sentences, only to have a calendar in his jail cell marking off the days until he could get some more crack. So rehab does not work for alot of people ,it is wasted faith in a broken system.
We agree on the basics but just not much on the solutions.
"Studies have found that of those who struggle with a addiction to meth and complete rehab, 61% will relapse within a year – that number rising to 74% three years post-treatment, and ending at 73% relapse rate five years post-treatment."

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By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Nov,23 11:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Good that you have responsibility in that way. I'm sure it saved your life.
Many other people in your situation would have gone down the tubes.

Some of our addiction care has a 80% succes rate. That's 80% of their patients still being clean after 1 year.
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It's only in Dutch, but you can easily use Google Translate.
"Na een jaar is ruim 80% goed in herstel. Na drie jaar is zelfs bijna 90% goed in herstel."

But, it's not JUST people's own responsibility. It's ALSO the system.
Why else does your country have so much more addiction problems?
Why does America have the biggest fentanyl crisis in the world?
If it's JUST the people, then what is wrong with Americans?

What is the difference between Americans and Dutch people, who you think are weak liberals, who expect the government to help them in every situation? Why did the US have 70,601 fentanyl overdose deaths in the same year that The Netherlands had 150? That's 470 times more, while you only have 19 times more people. That's 25 times more per capita.
That cannot be JUST the people. Do you agree?

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 15:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, with 'affordable housing' I would be referring to a unit that has, at least, a bedroom/living area, a bathroom, and a cooking area, for one person. There should be affordable housing for families that need it too, providing more than that. I would say that 'affordable housing' should be provided to everyone that is not able to afford normal housing, even if they are not working. I think it's the minimum that everyone should have, because humanity has progressed to a level that we are able to provide that to everyone. The only reason for why we don't do that is that a few selfish wealthy people are taking most of the resources from the rest of the people.

The best way for people to get out of a circle of homelessness, is to provide 'affordable housing', and help them fix the mental health, addiction, or lack of education, that is limiting them to take care of themselves. There have been many experiments attempting to take people out of homelessness and making them self-sufficient again. Giving them money can be successful, but most of the time they are not able to make the right decisions yet. Providing 'affordable housing' is the most effective. It alleviates enormous stress, and provides a safe space to recover. Just sending addicts to rehab and returning them to the streets or homeless shelter is almost a guarantee to failure. The succes rate is even higher if you just provide the 'affordable housing' and let them try to rehabilitate themselves.

I would call it 'affordable housing' even when the person has no income at all and the government is fully paying for it. The goal is to come to a situation where the person can afford it themselves. We should not kick them out of their home, as soon as they get a job. They should be allowed to stay there as long as they want, until they can and want to afford something better.

I'm against private donations. People who have lots of money should be taxed high enough so the government is able to provide these basic services to everyone who needs them. In the end, this will benefit them too, because it allows everyone to contribute to society to their maximum potential. Homelessness, addiction and lack of education are very damaging to society. The damage is higher than the cost of preventing those limits to people's potential.
By WOODY58 at 24,Nov,23 21:33 other posts of WOODY58 
The biggest reason against affordable housing or shelters is because people of all income levels don't like to have them in their neighborhoods. The second reason is "I don't want my tax dollars to go for support of these worthless scum.". In other words, selfishness and bigotry. That's my country's failure. Many of us try to change the system but there are too many Phart types with their mindsets. They refuse to acknowledge that homelessness and unaffordable housing begets bigger problems for society.
By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:41 other posts of phart 
A helping hand to someone who is down on their luck is 1 thing, but there are 3rd generations welfare folks all over this country. No one in the damn family has ever worked, that is the "worthless scum" we refer to.
Not a family who's house burned down or the factory got sent to china by no fault of their own.
Another thing, Citys and towns and county's zoned away affordable housing a long time ago.
There was affordable housing shortly after ww2 and it was available on up into the 90's.
It was called mobile homes. Conner ,Oakwood for example. There were several factory's that employed 100's of people that had to shut down around here because the city's and county's wanted more expensive homes to be built, more tax money.
they didn't have to be in "parks". When my uncle came home from vietnam he bought a brand new mobile home,put it up beside my grandparents house for a few years. When he got a good job and things were going well for hum, he bought about 20 acres 2 miles down the road. 1 sunday morning they hooked the trailer up to the 3000 ford tractor and pulled it down there to his own land,and later, added to it, and now it is a brick house with that little trailer somewhere in the middle of it. He paid for it all in a few short years on a foundry salary. It could be done then and it could be done now, if government would get the fuck out of the way and let people work and pay for the house they can afford.
By WOODY58 at 27,Nov,23 01:35 other posts of WOODY58 
Phart, "but there are 3rd generations welfare folks all over this country. No one in the damn family has ever worked, that is the "worthless scum" we refer to."
First, it's a fact of society that if one generation is piss poor, the following generations will be too. Second, you are wrong when you believe that welfare is a panacea. The amount of help in dollars and cents is not enough to maintain a family in the luxury you believe they have.
I believe your relative did what you say he did. What does that prove? You said it yourself, he smooched of his grandparents for several years. I remember well the Vietnam Vets coming home. At the time, the GI bill was still in effect. My brother got a house with nothing down. So what?
Your examples mean nothing unless you can make it the rule, but, even then, why are you suggesting that recipients of government help are ALWAYS deadbeats? That, sir, is a conservative view that's been debunked years ago.
By phart at 27,Nov,23 04:31 other posts of phart 
-I have yet to see it debunked.
By WOODY58 at 27,Nov,23 23:00 other posts of WOODY58 
Then you should be able to provide statistics. Show me.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 04:58 other posts of phart 
You should be able to support it with facts as well.
By CAT at 28,Nov,23 14:54 other posts of CAT 
Ok, Phart, just Google it. Woody58 has it right.
In the case of welfare that is provided to the citizens, considering the high levels of poverty in the United States, and considering the amount of oversight to those programs that try to provide a modicum of relief to our growing population living in poverty, the answer is that very few of them are actually “deadbeats”

Now, if you consider the amount of Corporate Welfare that is handed out indiscriminately to the corporations who plunder our economy without restraint, and if you realize that this amount of handouts are many times over what poor people are allowed, and if you object to handing out welfare to people and corporations who are already wealthy, you will understand that all corporate welfare recipients are deadbeats.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 15:10 other posts of phart 
If corporate goes down,so do all the employees and their 401 k's and etc.
By CAT at 28,Nov,23 15:21 other posts of CAT 
If your company closes, the money in your 401(k) doesn't disappear. The money will remain in your employer's plan unless the plan itself is terminated. In this case, the money in your account will roll over to another account on your behalf or get distributed directly to you.

By WOODY58 at 28,Nov,23 15:26 other posts of WOODY58 
That would be bad for the employees but that's business. New businesses open up all the time and the same with closings.

By WOODY58 at 28,Nov,23 15:08 other posts of WOODY58 
What CAT Said.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 15:22 other posts of phart 
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1 thing i never realized, welfare encourages broken or never formed familys because the benefits are higher for single people.That means kids growing up without dad so the mom can get more money
this is a scary amount of money,
"The financial cost of the War on Poverty has been enormous. Between 1965 and 2016, total means-tested welfare spending by federal and state governments cost taxpayers roughly $27.8 trillion in constant FY 2016 dollars. By contrast, the cost to the U.S. government for all military wars from the American Revolution to the present is $8 trillion in FY 2016 dollars."

And here is my pet peeve that is part of what is said early in the article ,"Self-defeating behaviors that increase the need for assistance are rarely even mentioned. "
If a dope head wants welfare ,or a alky ,they need to be forced to STOP that behavior before more than just life sustaining help is given.

Just to quote the summary for those with ADD,
"The true cost of welfare or aid to the poor is largely unknown because the spending is fragmented into myriad programs. Current welfare is focused largely on increasing benefits and enrollments and redistributing income. Self-defeating behaviors that increase the need for assistance are rarely even mentioned. Policymakers should replace welfare’s current focus with a new set of interlinked goals: reducing self-defeating and self-limiting behaviors, increasing self-support, and improving true human well-being. Welfare reform should (1) require all able-bodied adult recipients to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving aid, (2) remove the substantial penalties against marriage within the welfare system, and (3) fund programs aimed at improving behavior on a payment-for-outcome basis rather than today’s fee-for-service basis. "
By WOODY58 at 28,Nov,23 15:42 other posts of WOODY58 
I agree with you. The dopeheads need help to get of off drugs. It's been tried and it's still being tried. If not successful, what do you suggest? Let them die?
By phart at 29,Nov,23 04:28 other posts of phart 
Put them away, out of harms way and out of society's way and let them croak, or get down to 0 and finally ask for real help.
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By WOODY58 at 29,Nov,23 16:07 other posts of WOODY58 
First, that city is Vancouver, Canada. Second, Vancouver is a very successful city. That video doesn’t prove much. Legal or illegal drugs are available to any druggie in any country in the world.

Vancouver is one of the most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities in Canada: 49.3 percent of its residents are not native English speakers, 47.8 percent are native speakers of neither English nor French, and 54.5 percent of residents belong to visible minority groups.[7][8] It has been consistently ranked one of the most livable cities in Canada and in the world.[9][10][11] In terms of housing affordability, Vancouver is also one of the most expensive cities in Canada and in the world.[12] Vancouver plans to become the greenest city in the world. Vancouverism is the city's urban planning design philosophy.

Phart, what you propose is too costly any way you look at it and letting them die is inhumane, not to mention the costs of the repercussions.

By tecsan at 29,Nov,23 04:56 other posts of tecsan 
You do have a point with free money. I know that it makes people lazy and incentivizes them not to work. Hell, why work when the government will give you more not to work. Kind of hard to return to work if you are going to make less than what the government gives out for free.
By WOODY58 at 29,Nov,23 16:36 other posts of WOODY58 
Tecsan, your point of view and Phart’s is true to some extent, but, it’s not the whole story.
Suppose you are in that situation where you are on welfare because you get more than if you went to work, why is that? Could it be that minimum wages are far below what a bottom of the barrel job should be?
The poverty threshold in the US is $15K/yr for an individual and $20K/yr for a family of two. Working at a hamburger joint, getting $10/hr for 32 hrs/week is $16640/yr LESS taxes and other deductions. A 32hr work week is standard in the industry. This allows the employer to qualify you as part time employee and not have to pay for extra benefits like OT or insurance.
In Florida, you can get up to $3,636 per year, based on the state's maximum benefit of $303 per month. The average benefit amount for Florida's SNAP program stands at $180. With approximately 2.85 million beneficiaries, which accounts for around 13% of the state's population, SNAP plays a crucial role in helping individuals and families afford groceries.Aug 7, 2023
So, in Florida, you can get $483/month on average plus extra SNAP benefits for extra people in the family.
That’s not very much of an incentive to NOT go to work, however, some people make do. Most people would like to make more. The answer, as I see it, is to make it more favorable to go to work. Fifteen dollars per hour minimum wage would be a minimum. And, yes, Phart, a burger would cost you more.
c'est la vie
By phart at 29,Nov,23 19:46 other posts of phart 
Burger would cost more,prompting people to be able to spend less on food.
By CAT at 29,Nov,23 20:22 other posts of CAT 
So? Cook at home.
By phart at 30,Nov,23 03:27 other posts of phart 
You aint ate my cooking!
By WOODY58 at 30,Nov,23 16:03 other posts of WOODY58 
You tell her, Phart

By phart at 30,Nov,23 23:36 other posts of phart 
At least you can see my cooking!
Chilli beans!
12 hours in the crock pot.
All kinds of goodies in it,good to! if I ate like this all the time,i would be really PHAT phart
By CAT at 01,Dec,23 01:17 other posts of CAT 
I cook it like that too.
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 02:58 other posts of tecsan 
He may have a point there with his cooking. But as I think most of you know, beans have no place in my chili.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 03:55 other posts of phart 
well that is why I call them chili beans,
just chili? odd
And this particular batch was made from kidney beans on sale at walmart, maters from the garden I froze during the summer for spaghetti sauce, onions, bell peppers from the garden ,salt, black pepper, ground cayenne pepper, and mild sausage made from some of the wild hogs shot in my neighbors back yard a few years ago. the sausage from the 1's shot in my back yard has been gone,I had it made HOT.
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 06:52 other posts of tecsan 
Guess I am an odd Texan. I call it chili. No beans in TX chili. But, it might be good. Never tried it here. Now maters , onions from my garden would be great. Too lazy to plant one though, damn weeds is all I can grow.

By CAT at 01,Dec,23 16:25 other posts of CAT 
I make my own sauce using crushed tomatoes, plus tomato sauce and tomato paste. I also use the fillings from uncured Argentine pork sausage. I get those from Wild Forks Food. I go easy on the cayenne. We don’t like it super hot.
I find that the second day the flavor is so much better. I’m getting hungry

By CAT at 01,Dec,23 16:17 other posts of CAT 
You mean Chickpea on your chilli? 🤣🤣😈

By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:49 other posts of phart 
And that 1% ,aint cleaning their own room, they have EMPLOYEES to do that that in turn take their wages and buy homes, cars and groceries.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 15:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Better read again what I said there. I didn't say the 1% aint cleaning their own room.
I said; cleaning their room, for them means getting rid of poor people, like you.
They don't want to do it by giving you money, but by killing you in the most efficient way allowed. Not giving you access to medicine that you need is very effective. Or they get rid of people by locking them up. That's why the made weed illegal; to lock up young black men.
By tecsan at 20,Nov,23 08:52 other posts of tecsan 
Do I detect a racist remark there?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I'm referring to a racist policy. It is 100% proven that your government outlawed weed, with the intention to lock up young black men. You're right, that was racism, talking about it is not, unless you support that racism.

By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:43 other posts of phart 
That is a false claim about 'weed".
Just some revisionist history.
Weed was and should be illegal because it is a entry level drug that has ruined 1000's of lives just as alcohol has.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 09:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are destroying your own argument; ALCOHOL IS LEGAL!
Do we throw people who sell alcohol in prison?

You do know how awful the Prohibition turned out, right?
"It led many drinkers to switch to opium, marijuana, patent medicines, cocaine, and other dangerous substances that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Prohibition."
The Prohibition turned alcohol into a gateway drug. (And it created the Mafia)
But it didn't reduce any of the problems associated with alcoholism.

There is no evidence at all that weed is an 'entry level drug', actually legal weed can prevent people using more dangerous drugs. Fentanyl is mostly used by people who are in pain. Their pain can be treated much safer with weed.

If weed ever was an 'entry level drug', than that was BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL.
Legalization might have increased the use a bit, but it reduces harm a lot.
People are no longer put in prison for carrying or smoking a bit of weed.
They can be active members of society, instead of a burden, by being in prison.

The same damage has been caused by other drugs being illegal.
It has saved NO LIVES, the US has the most addicted people in the world,
the most drug overdose deaths and the most people in prison.
Your ideas are clearly, objectively wrong.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 19:06 other posts of phart 
well the thing you are missing is, the drug problem would be about over as nature would have cleansed it's self of the scum that use drugs and liquir.

By tecsan at 02,Dec,23 06:22 other posts of tecsan 
Yes the US has a lot of addicted people thanks to other countries and joey (you know shitty britches) open border policy. I do not really know about marijuan though, if it were the same as when I were younger then maybe ok. But these new strains are really fucking people up more. Yes, we know how prohibition turned out. How is your EV models going to turn out there. Wait til China wants your Country. Please do not ask for help from us. Your Country fell for climate shit, more than joey (shitty britches).

By tecsan at 18,Nov,23 07:29 other posts of tecsan 
I think many spend more on their cars than their houses.
By phart at 20,Nov,23 02:42 other posts of phart 
Yea, sadly the way the economy is, a new truck cost substantially more than it cost to build most houses not long ago
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:19 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
People who need a truck to do their job, but that job doesn't pay much,
then they are bound to pay more for their car, than for their house.

There are lots of delivery drivers in my country that are forced to lease a van for their jobs. That is very expensive, but they get payed a very low amount per delivery. If they get a difficult route, they often make just enough to pay for the van. They are very lucky, or working like a machine, if they make more money to spend on a house than on their van.

If you don't need a truck to do your job, you don't need a truck and definitely not a new one. Then your first priority is housing. You only need a few thousand dollars for a dependable, fuel economical commuter. Buying a new truck for that, is a waste of money.
By phart at 24,Nov,23 22:45 other posts of phart 
20 years ago ,a affordable used car for 3000 dollars, was a reality. But not any more. Cars have so much electronics on them that a 10 year old car needing just a ecm is considered not worth repairing .Alot of people are buying trucks now that don't technically need them because the cars are so damn small and ride rough and are cramped and have NO resale value to speak of.Your roads over there in the nether regions,you might go 40 miles 1 way for a long trip,a trip here is 300 miles. who wants to ride in a roller skate for 300 miles?
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 08:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Twenty years of inflation turned that $3000 into $5091.
About 23 years ago, I bought a $3000 car that lasted me 7 years.
The first MOT uncovered a structural problem that costed $1000 to fix, but yearly maintenance after that was acceptable, because I used a non-brand garage.
I'm actually paying more on maintenance now, with a newer car, because with a newer car it's advised to keep it in good shape at the brand garage.
I pay at least $500/year in maintenance, tires not included. I need a new set soon, which will cost at least $750.

With a car that is well past a decade old, with over 100,000 miles on it, you start doing the minimum and just drive until it falls apart. My last Toyota, I bought at 4 years old, with 35000 miles on it, for $11,000. The first 5 years, I kept it up well, paying up to $500 per year in maintenance. The last 5 years was very cheap, but it required me to accept some noises and oil consumption. At age 17, almost everything broke down simultaneously, so I bought a new car and still got back $500 for the old banger. It was going to Africa for its second life.

In conclusion, it's the cheapest to buy a car for $5000, which is then like a 10 year old Toyota Aygo with 40,000 miles on it. It will last you at least 10 years, if you take moderate care of it and like 7 years if you only spend money on oil changes and tires, at a non-brand garage.
That same $3000 car from 20 years ago is therefore absolutely possible.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 09:05 other posts of tecsan 
Wish I could find a car I would actually drive for $5,000. Guess I should be more like you and look for something like
a Toyota which you could not give me. I will stick with GMC. Hope it guzzles the 'gas' and pollutes the hell out of your little world. The chinese pollute more than I ever thought about doing.

I see you like sending your old crap to other countries.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 09:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's you who's wasting money, if you buy a GMC.
American cars are low quality. The only part that lasts long is the engine,
because they are big lumps of iron, everything else breaks every odd year.
Japanese cars are built with parts that last.

All the old Toyota's go to Africa. That's not my choice, that's supply and demand. Labor is cheap there, so they will do a complete engine overhaul and give it another lease of life. That car didn't have a spec of rust on it and the interior was still very tidy. It was just not economically feasible for me, to get a refurbished engine, alternator, water pump, interior fan, window wiper motor and some other parts. But, they can do that cheaply in Africa, providing some African family with a car that can drive almost for ever, if they keep fixing it.

It's your little world too dumb-ass. The US will get into trouble much earlier
than my country, because we think ahead and the US is incapable of that.
Also, I live further from the equator than all of the US. You will probably starve, die from heatstroke or in a wildfire or in a hurricane or a flood or in some riot over food and water, many years before me.

China is emitting half the CO2 per capita of the US
and they are further in the energy transition than the US.

China is polluting a lot, but then they are making everything for everyone else in the world. That's not their pollution, that's your pollution too and mine. If we want them to pollute less, we should just have some demands on how they make all those things for us. But, that's thinking (ahead), something you are incapable of doing.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 09:38 other posts of tecsan 
Cut out this crap. My GM is 20 yrs old and only had oil change and tires changed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 09:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are 100% sure not driving around with all of the same parts that the car came out of the factory with, excluding filters. That would be a 1 in a million outlier of American cars.

"Only 1 American Car Brand Is on Most Reliable Top 10 List": Lincoln.
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But that's a very expensive brand. Almost all Japanese, German and Korean cars are better value for money.

I am talking about economical optimization here. Any GMC is more expensive when you buy it and guzzles gas like a motherfucker. Unless you have a big family or another need for a big car, it's just burning money, that could have been spent on nicer things. But, maybe you feel some need to compensate for something, with a big car. I do not.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 10:06 other posts of tecsan 
Excluding filters, battery and tires. Hell yes I am sure.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 10:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't believe that is true. Maybe you believe it, but I don't.

Even that Toyota I had, required some new parts, in its 17 year life.
It wasn't a lot; as far as I can remember, some axel rubbers and an ignition coil, in 17 years. All the parts that were getting old were still working, but to pass its MOT would have been expensive. And I was not going to do that, with all those aging parts making the future maintenance even more expensive. I had a very cheap last 5 years and then I bought another medium sized 4 year old, low mileage, fuel economical Japanese car for about $13,500, which is cheap on fuel, road tax and insurance.
I pay $40 for all risk insurance, which I needed a few years back, when I got into a pileup on the highway. It saved me about $1500 for the damage on the front. Still pretty low speed collisions, no airbags were triggered.
If that happens, it gets very expensive.

My car is mostly standing in my parking space, because I'm working from home for 90%. I use it more often for shopping and visiting friends and family. It has all the accessories that I wanted; climate control, cruise control, satnav, digital radio, parking aids and cameras all around and it seats 4 people comfortably, it has a trunk big enough for lots of shopping and our holidays and when I put the back seats down, it can take a big IKEA flatpack, it can easily do 110 mph, when I drive through Germany.

Why would I pay more for a faster or bigger car?
By phart at 27,Nov,23 12:18 other posts of phart 
The little scooter cars like that are ok for folks that do very little but move themselves and some grocery bags.
Not practical for most Americans.
Half the time I am on the hwy going over 10 miles from home, I am towing a trailer ,sometimes over 3000 pounds cargo, not possible with a Camery.
Your system works for you,that's great, but it is like a pair of shoes,1 size does not fit all.
I still can't believe you got only 17 years from a toyota? My God what are you using for oil?
hondas and toyotas here last until people just decide to trade ,not because they are bad.
When you say it was not feasible to rebuild the engine,and bought a newer car,you just spent way more money than a new engine. I can't see that being a wise move if you only got 500 bucks for the car that was clean ,and straight, sounds as though it had plenty of life in it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 22:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't have a 'little scooter car'. It's an average size car, for my country.
I know most Americans are huge, but I'm no small guy either and I fit comfortably.

True, my car cannot pull 3000 pounds of cargo. I have only needed that once in 3 decades. I'm not going to buy a big truck and pay for its gas consumption, for that one time that can easily be solved by renting a big van. I don't believe that all those Americans who drive huge cars have to pull 3000 pounds of cargo every other week.

When I had my Toyota, I still drove to work every day. It had 140,000 miles on it. It was still possible to fix it up, but just very expensive. I do think car-parts are way more expensive in The Netherlands. You don't compare the costs of the repairs with a new car, you compare them with the extended life of the old car. Even in mint condition that 17 year old Toyota would have had a value of at maximum $2000, way less than what the repairs were going to cost. Just the intake manifold alone, which was a very rare part, would have costed $1000. The lowest price was $750, in Russia, with no guarantees. A refurbished 1.4 16V VVTI was at least about $1200. Adding the other parts and the labor, would add up to at least $4000, to get several more years out of it. That would have made the car more expensive than its history. I bought it for $12,000 and drove it for 12 years, that's $1000 per year. If a car becomes more much expensive than that, I replace it for one that lowers my spending again or delivers me more comfort for my money. I could spend a lot less, by buying 10 year old cars and driving them till they break, but I want a car to be reliable and I do allow myself some comfort. I wanted cruise control for years, now I have it and use it a lot.

Maybe most of those Americans are forced to keep repairing an old car, because they cannot afford the big investment of replacing it, but at some point it's cheaper to replace than to repair. I have enough money saved, to buy a new car tomorrow, if I need. I just don't do it for the fun of it, but when it is financially optimal. I hope to get at least another 7 years out of my current car.
By phart at 28,Nov,23 05:24 other posts of phart 
140,000 miles on a toyota and you sold it for 500 bucks?
Damn, any decent toyota if the timing belt is replaced and it is serviced regular should give 250,000 -300,000 miles and still be fit to pass along to the kid headed to college.
As for what you said to tescan about his gmc not being on the road for 20 years with the same parts, ha, i am sorry,but the car I drove to work for 12.5 years, still has it's original engine, 340,000 miles or so, don't 100% know because I drove it 2 years with a broken speedo cable, so it is probably higher than that.
I kept it serviced, brakes, tires, same thing a 4 year old car would need.
A well built durable car or a cheap0 car, there is part of the issue.
A gmc, has to be a suv or pickup,they don't sell car's under that name plate. Most have a chassis,which means more durable than a unibody car.Heavyer brakes, so less stress on them,longer wear,and etc.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Nov,23 12:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
No, I traded it in for 500 bucks. I might have gotten more for it, if I had sold it myself, but that takes time and is a nuisance. I needed to get rid of it quickly, because it's illegal to keep a car with a failed MOT on the road.

The engine itself was still mostly OK, but it required at least new piston rings and a new timing chain (not a timing belt). Both requires taking apart the whole engine. With labor and parts, that's over $800. It's then better to just put in a completely refurbished engine. However, all those other parts were then not going to last the new lease of life of the car. Bills will just keep adding up. It's possible to do that, but then I was still driving an old car, for the annual costs of a new one. My garage informed me several years before that all those parts were getting old and were going to require replacement in the next 5 years. That would add up to many thousands of dollars, which is absolutely more than the value of the car. So, I decided to drive it until it failed the MOT and the costs to repair would be too high. I drove another 3 years, with only basic service and then the last MOT would add up to at least $800.
If I remember correctly, that was just for new tires or brakes, not even the aging parts. That was not worth it, because the rattling intake manifold was bugging me and it was using a lot of oil. The $800 would not have fixed that or any of the other parts, just the MOT failures.

I'm sure that car could have reached 300,000 miles, and it is probably doing that somewhere in Africa, but that's not a financially smart thing to do in The Netherlands, where parts and labor are very expensive.

I also took the gas consumption into account. My Toyota did 31 MPG on average, my current car did about 47 MPG for the same use.
Pre-covid, that was a difference of at least $900 per year.

The cheapest GMC (C1500) that I can find on costs $13,121. It's from 1996 and has 180,000 miles on it.
Or, I could buy a Toyota Yaris from 2019, with 38,570 miles on it.
Are you telling me that the GMC would be cheaper, on service?

Lets calculate what I would pay for fuel, in The Netherlands:
At least it uses LPG, so that saves some money, but it would do about 7 to 8 MPG. With my pre-covid yearly driving, that would have costed me $4,600 per year, at least $1,800 per year more than with my Toyota. That's the cost of a new Toyota engine every year.
By phart at 29,Nov,23 19:50 other posts of phart 
140,000 miles and the rings were shot in the engine? Annas, I am not being a smart ass here but literally I am in shock to read that a TOYOTA didn't last any longer than that. WOW
Not being a smart ass here,please find out what oil your mechanic is putting in your car! If it is that recycled shit,it is ruining your engine! You need to be running a better quality oil apparently 140,000 on a Toyota engine,is chump change.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 10:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"In general, piston rings should be replaced every 100,000 to 150,000 miles."

The intake manifold of a Toyota is not just a lump of metal, it has moving parts. It was designed to last the life of the car, but it was obvious that mine wasn't lasting. It sounded awful.
The annoying thing is that those intake manifolds are now dirt cheap, because most of those Toyota's have ended their lifetime and shelves are filled with good second hand parts, for the few remaining cars of its type that are still driving around. When I needed that part, it was very expensive and rare. The other parts had also exceeded their expected lifespan; the alternator (expected lifespan: 80,000 to 150,000 miles), the water pump (expected lifespan: 60,000 to 90,000 miles). Other parts were starting to make noises that they were close to the end of their life, like the interior fan (dependent on use), or the wiper motors (dependent on use).

You have a point with the oil changes. For several years, I brought my car to the Toyota dealership in the city I lived then, for MOT and service, at least that's what I expected. Every year, they told me that everything was fine again and billed me a significant amount of money. Then after several years they said: "Isn't it time that you do an oil change? It looks like tar!". I asked them: "What? Didn't you do that then?". And they told me that I hadn't asked for it. Turned out that they considered that not part of the yearly service. The bill was just saying "MOT and service", with a significant price behind it, so I expected that as included. I was very angry with them. I told them that I bought a Toyota and came to a Toyota dealership to not have to think about these things and that I expected them to discuss important things like "Do you want the oil changed?". I never returned to that Dealership again and used the one where I bought it. They were much more communicative.

What oil you are using doesn't affect the wear of the intake manifold, the alternator, the water pump, the interior fan, or the wiper motors.

The car was still pretty young when it had tar for oil, but it must have done some damage. That distribution chain was making noise after that, but it went away after a few months of driving with fresh oil. It would have been probably still OK for a while, when I traded in the Toyota, but I wasn't going to assume that, when I had the choice to start spending many hundreds of dollars, to extent the car's life.

When almost every part in the car has exceeded its expected lifespan, you make a financial decision between the value of the car and (expected) repair costs. I decided it was 'economically totaled'.

By tecsan at 28,Nov,23 05:34 other posts of tecsan 
Sorry, you only believe in your woke BS anyway. But is true. GM does make good durable vehicles. I hope you do not believe it truthfully, go buy another little toyota.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Nov,23 12:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How much money per year are you spending on fuel?
By tecsan at 01,Dec,23 09:40 other posts of tecsan 
A lot more than you and proud of it. Be glad to comply with your climate BS when you get China and India onboard.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 10:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Proudly spending lots of his money to fuck the climate!
Why don't you by some mercury and cyanide, to throw in the river,
that is used for your drinking water? That's the same thing, dumb-ass.
China is polluting a lot of water, so why don't you?

How do we get China and India onboard? By implementing regulation against buying shit from them, that is made by polluting factories and with energy from fossil fuels. The US is in the way.

By CAT at 01,Dec,23 01:26 other posts of CAT 
I gave my 2004 Tahoe to my son-in-law 5 yrs ago. He uses it to give road service to his customers (he has a high end auto shop like Ferraris). The truck has 240K and still runs strong. At the time I paid $28K. It looks good too. He tells me he’s had to replace 2 batteries, one water pump and some type of clutch in the fan. Tires and oil and filter too.
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The Nissan Rouge I bought new in 2015 to replace the Tahoe has 154K miles and the tranny is shot. The car is good for city driving only. The engine is still strong and will probably last another 100K but replacing the tranny, even if my son-in-law does the work, would be over $3500. Not worth it. The day it gives up the ghost I’ll pull the tag and call a junker to pick it up.
By phart at 01,Dec,23 04:17 other posts of phart 
Wow, 8 years old and already a bad transmission?
I would not have expected that from a nissan.
3500 is still cheaper than a new car,
That is what people seem to miss, why make payments on something when you can repair it and be debt free longer?
I had a scooter car for a while. a inherited 2001 ford focus wagon. high mileage, good air, good radio, I had it a year and a half, I used it some ,it was a wagon so it had some space but couldn't tow, couldn't haul much. when it dropped a valve seat, I sold it for 500 bucks to a young fellow for him and his sons to fix for a family car. Sadly, it didn't work out as the replacement head failed and destroyed the engine.
When it was all said and done, I drove the car for free except gas, as I had spent 500 on tag,title,2 tires and a shifter cable, and insurance for that length of thime.
I priced a engine at pulla part for 450, should a went that route but it was just not worth the cost of tag ,insurance, and upkeep for a few more miles to the gallon.
Insurance on my truck is about 325 a year, tax and tags about 75-80,would have to check the paperwork.Sure it gets about 15 to the gallon, but the gas is no more costly than another cars up keep just to save gas.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Dec,23 11:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you do the math correctly, it doesn't agree with you.
The right new car is cheaper than continuing to repair an old one.

But, you are saying one thing; "why make payments on something when you can repair it and be debt free longer?". That doesn't apply to me.
The only time that I borrowed money for a car, was for that Toyota.
I was just short a few thousand on my savings account. I didn't want to sell any stocks for it, at that point, so I borrowed that money from my parents and paid them back in a few months. I never have to do that again. I have more than enough in my savings account for what I usually spend on a car and only 'play the stock-market' with money I don't need. I made at least $6000 pure net profit on the stock-market, not even including dividend and portfolio value increase. I do capitalism pretty well, because I know logic, math and science.

Before anyone start telling me what a hypocrite socialist I am, you don't understand it; I want EVERYONE who works to be able to make enough money to participate in the modern financial system, not just the few people who let other people work for them. Stocks are 100% compatible with socialism, they just should be created by public capital and part of the profits of the public investments should be distributed to working people on top of their salary. That would turn into a big part of their social security.
Maybe I should invent a new term than 'socialist', like 'Social Capitalist'.
I like it, that really describes my political ideas. Damn, the term already exists. There are even books about it.

By CAT at 01,Dec,23 16:43 other posts of CAT 
Phart, we put approx. 25K miles/yr on our car. The Nissan, as a second car, is ok. We use it to haul everything from trash to building materials, but if we take it on the Turnpike, the tranny overheats in about half an hour of 70+ driving. It’s scary to suddenly not being able to do more than 45 MPH.
In the last 4 months we’ve been to Kentucky, 5 times to Key West, twice to Gainesville, and four times to Flagler Beach. We need a reliable car. Maintenance is a breeze. Jose, my son-in-law, takes care of anything the warranty doesn’t cover. BTW, we never buy a new, o miles, car. We look with for a vehicle with less than 30K. The depreciation as you drive a new vehicle out of the dealers lot is a ripoff. We’ve always been right side up on the value of our vehicles.

By tecsan at 30,Nov,23 08:16 other posts of tecsan 
Carron Phillips ~ Damn race baiter.

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By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 17:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eileen Cannon is wasting taxpayer money, by ordering the construction of a CIPA review facility in Fort Pierce Florida, where her chambers are located. Fort Pierce will probably never use that secure facility again. None of the judges, nor Trump have any business in Fort Pierce. Miami, where the chief judge of the district sits, has such a facility.
It makes absolutely no sense to have the CIPA review in Fort Pierce.

The only reason to order the construction of such a facility is to delay the case, in favor
of Donald Trump. No judged, while they are accused of being biased against Trump,
has done something so clearly biased. Cannon should be removed from the case.

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By phart at 27,Nov,23 19:04 other posts of phart 
I will admit,it is wasteful but when has our government done anything smart in the past 100 years that wasn't considered waste by someone.
The 1 detail you may not be considering though, security.Trump is highly supported and respected, and anything to do with him , is susceptible to problems with overlyfar right activist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 22:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Does the term 'the law is blind' say anything to you?

Just because you lot kiss his feet, is no reason to let him get away with countless crimes. He committed treason against democracy. You lot attacked the capital over allegation of election meddling, but now you think your side is untouchable to the law, for something 10 times worse? It doesn't work that way. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

The fact that you lot still support him is unacceptable. He should be held accountable, not just for his own actions, but also as an example to the Republican party who participated in this treason, and to you, who keep supporting him after that.

By CAT at 27,Nov,23 22:12 other posts of CAT 
Trump is “highly supported and respected”? By whom. A bunch of uneducated yahoos that blame all their life’s problems on THE LEFT? Grow up and start working with the rest of the people. Maybe, together we could find solutions to the problems we face.
Judge Cannon is a disgrace to other judges and the legal profession. My state is already loosing millions of dollars because of people like DeSantis and people like Trump, and this judge.
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By CAT at 28,Nov,23 13:28 other posts of CAT 
The Clown walks into a stadium full of football fans and that makes him popular? Right! 💩💩💩👿

By tecsan at 28,Nov,23 05:16 other posts of tecsan 
Trump is supported by many as you can see by the polls. The left wants to be blaming everyone of they're failures on Trump. How long has he been out of office now? Almost 3 years. Face the facts, uncle joe is a failure.
By CAT at 28,Nov,23 13:47 other posts of CAT 
I'll give you that the polls show the Clown polling ahead of Biden, but, let me point out two things. One: both are polling UNDER 50%. Two: other elected presidents polled behind the eventual loser at this stage of an election run.
If that’s your argument, remember that I said the same thing about the Clown at the 3 yr mark of his presidency and so did thousands too. So many that he lost in 2020.
We blame the divided Congress, a right leaning Supreme Court, and world events that we can’t control for many, if not most, of our problems. Admit it, your Repucker party can’t even agree on anything in their own Congressional caucus, let alone pass any worthwhile bills to ease the economic life of the working man. And what do you want to bring to the table? A candidate that the best that can be said about him is that he married a foreigner. A man that has 94 active indictments against him. A man that is accused of being a seditionist. A man that tried to negate the vote of millions of people in the 2020 election.
And what are we bringing in? Uncle Joe, not the best choice for a Democratic candidate, but one with experience and one that is trying hard to do good for the country and not for himself.
By tecsan at 29,Nov,23 03:13 other posts of tecsan 
Why the hell was Countries (or are) paying hunter and joey. Oh and your experience statement could apply if the the old fart did not have alzheimers. He can not find his way off of a stage much less out of a paper bag. Even democrats are wanting sleepy uncle joe to drop out. Hell his Christmas tree took a fall like he does many times. Hell I doubt he could debate an 8 year old. Sad to say and you know it by your statement above. Let us see little crack boy hunter can lie his way through a deposition. He has a good teacher on the art of lying, his father.
By CAT at 29,Nov,23 17:27 other posts of CAT 
Your first two sentences are your opinion. Where’s the “meat”? Many Dumbocrats want Old Joe to drop out. That’s a legitimate want, but, the choice is his. So far, Hunter is in hot water over taxes and illegal gun possession. I’m not going to go to Joey getting money from other governments. The Repukers in The House are salivating to impeach him. They want to even the score about the Clown, but that will go as far as my dog taking a dump in his compound. 😈

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By CAT at 27,Nov,23 22:17 other posts of CAT 
Victor Orban from Hungary? Great. Do you know how many Hungarians it takes to screw in a light bulb?
Oh, sorry, wrong country

By tecsan at 26,Nov,23 05:52 other posts of tecsan 
I do get tired of my Country to be the only one that offers real support to those in need. I guess the the rest are just cheap socialist.
By phart at 26,Nov,23 13:57 other posts of phart 
If the US would stop trying to be the worlds Nanny ,and take care of it's self first ,it would be a much stronger nation.
just as the polish president warned the world recently to be carful of the drowning man ,he will pull you down with him.

"Ukraine is behaving like a drowning person clinging to anything available,” Duda told Polish journalists, the Financial Times reported. “A drowning person is extremely dangerous, capable of pulling you down to the depths … simply drown the rescuer.”Sep 20, 2023"
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 04:29 other posts of tecsan 
Yeah, I know I was a lifeguard in my younger yeras. But now we have two two countries wanting us to help fight they're wars. I know neither of them provoked it, but should'nt Europe help out more since it is in they're interst. Probably more than ours.
By phart at 27,Nov,23 04:43 other posts of phart 
I think the european countries are wiseing up and getting equiped to protect themselves.

By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Nov,23 08:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who are you kidding, you don't even help your own citizens.

If you are talking about Ukraine, it's your own country who gave everyone in the world the choice to either be dependent on you or the big bad Russians. You are not supporting people in need, it's all in your own self-interest. The self-interests of the billionaires of course, not working class Americans.
By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 08:33 other posts of tecsan 
We try to help unlike your broken down little country.

By tecsan at 27,Nov,23 04:00 other posts of tecsan 
The holiday of Christmas is upon us, remember the reason for the celebration.

Oh, was Jesus a male or female wait til the libtard leftist stumble on to this. That is the ones that are not atheists.

By PITBULL at 19,Nov,23 22:14 other posts of PITBULL 
Come to my page for some fun; PITBULL
By tecsan at 20,Nov,23 06:29 other posts of tecsan 
Likewise come to my page, you are always welcome tecsanlol lolI do however see you are full of empty threats.

Oh, piss ass pitbull my page will not cost you five points like you are trying to lure me to your page, fucking prick.

You see there are some here that are morons like you, I should have listened to skittles. You really are the fucking pest of the site.

BTW fuck of DOUCHE BAG freddy. Remember you know how to find me.
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Are you still wearing panties?

By phart at 09,Nov,23 14:56 other posts of phart 
Heres a good 1 for Annas and leo!
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Now WHY was a man out on bail for MURDER in the first place? i could see speeding maybe but MURDER????
By CAT at 09,Nov,23 16:59 other posts of CAT 
Ask the judge. The judge is the ONLY one that sets bail.
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Judge Angelica Chavis McIntyre, who granted Locklear bond on his murder charge released the following statement saying:
"Bonds are determined by many factors, including the evidence that is presented in court by the officers, witness cooperation, if a felony report has been provided to the District Attorney’s Office, and the particular facts of every case. I feel the public’s frustration and the Sheriff’s frustration at the crime problem in Robeson County. My judicial record shows that I have set some of the highest bonds ever set in Robeson County based on the evidence before me and consistent with the law."

So, what do you think about this case occuring in the red state of South Carolina and in the court of a concervative judge?
By phart at 09,Nov,23 17:13 other posts of phart 
Piss poor. A murderer should not be out, period.

By tecsan at 10,Nov,23 06:11 other posts of tecsan 
Was it the hippie nudie judge in NY that is presiding over Trump's case. Guess that answers all the questions.

You do know that if half what you are quoting by McIntyre is total BS. That SOB with a murder charge should not walk out. I have an idea, you house his sorry ass with you while he is out on NO BAIL.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Nov,23 11:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't think Trump would have been set free pre trail, because he's:
- Flight risk.
- It's a serious offense associated with at least 12 years detention.
- A high chance that the suspect will commit more crimes.
- A release could jeopardize the police investigation.

Trump is threatening witnesses, the prosecutor, the judge and everyone who speaks out against him. Even if he was released pre trial, his release would have been canceled as soon as he started doing those things.

By CAT at 10,Nov,23 13:27 other posts of CAT 
You are mixing arguments and assuming things that are not obvious. What part of the judge's statement is BS? I do agree. He should not have been released, but, the judge is a concervative.

By CAT at 10,Nov,23 13:32 other posts of CAT 
The judge has a very inpressive background.
Angelica Chavis McIntyre is 32 years old and a native of Pembroke who now lives in Lumberton with her husband, Stephen McIntyre, and their son, Hamilton. She was first elected as a district court judge in 2018 and was named the chief district court judge for Robeson County by the Chief Justice of the NC Supreme Court in 2021, becoming the first Native American Female Chief Judge in the state.

She serves on the Chief Justice of North Carolina’s Task Force to Address Adverse Child Experiences, Robeson County Domestic Violence Task Force, and the Juvenile Crime Prevention Council. She has received both the Fayetteville Observer 40 under 40 and Campbell Law’s 45 Leaders in Law awards. She serves as a board member for Southeastern Academy and routinely volunteers in schools to address issues children face and to help inspire productive life and career choices.

By tecsan at 14,Nov,23 05:11 other posts of tecsan 
What are your feelings about the hippie judge arthur engoron. What a fucking moron.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OMG, he's putting your cult-leader through a wringer, so he's a 'fucking moron'.
Are you ever able to say anything with some logic or reason to it, ever?

Trump's defense is: 'I didn't know, Donald Jr, is handling that!'.
Donald Jr.'s defense is: 'I didn't know, I have people for that!'.
YOUR signature is on those documents, YOU MORON!!
Donald Sr. is a moron for leaving his company to a moron.

And Eric Trump's defense is: 'I didn't know, I pour concrete!'.
No you don't, Trump's company hasn't built anything itself for many years,
their business model is slapping their name on projects built by other companies.
If Eric really thinks he's pouring concrete, he's the biggest moron of them all.
They probably had him playing with toy cement trucks at the office,
because that's about the level of 'business' he's capable of.

If you get caught doing persistent fraud, then you are a moron.
Judge Arthur Engoron is putting a couple of morons out of business.
That doesn't make him a 'moron', that makes him a 'badass'.

By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Nov,23 23:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In our justice system, pre trial detention is only allowed in cases like:
- Flight risk.
- It's a serious offense associated with at least 12 years detention.
- A high chance that the suspect will commit more crimes.
- A release could jeopardize the police investigation.
- To protect the suspect against the public.

It's up to the judge to decide if pre trial detention is necessary.
There is a possibility of setting limitations, like electronic supervision.
We don't have a bail system. That's not fair for poor people.
I don't think we are releasing any people who are suspected of murder.
You are forgetting that we only have about 130 murders per year.
There is enough capacity to keep them in prison until their trial.
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Did I find something you liked? Wow!

By CAT at 10,Nov,23 21:03 other posts of CAT 
In 2022, there were roughly 1.23 million violent crimes reported to the FBI in the United States.
Not enough cells.
By phart at 10,Nov,23 21:18 other posts of phart 
Well, let's see, who was it that was talking about "shovel ready" jobs? BUILD MORE CELLS! there's ye jobs!
By CAT at 10,Nov,23 23:08 other posts of CAT 
And you believe that? Phart, you are naive.
By phart at 10,Nov,23 23:31 other posts of phart 
No just being realistic. Rehab doesn't work unless the person wants to be rehabilitated. Being nice to people only gets you crushed .More cells, less evil on the streets less danger for law abiding citizens. a win win. If people feel safe, would they feel the need for a gun near as much? Look at gun sales just in the past few weeks, jews are buying them fast as they can. because of the fear of evil that is out there, and people over look it or think it is under control with pills and therapy. No therapy fixes true HATRED of your fellow man. None.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Nov,23 09:27 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The United States has a current recidivism rate of 70% within 5 years (U.S. Prison Population, 2019). This means that, within 5 years of their release, 70% of prisoners will have reoffended. In comparison, Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20% within 5 years.

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Summary: Due to the emphasis on rehabilitation during incarceration rather than
on punishment, Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world.

"How Norwegian prisons prepare inmates to become better neighbors"
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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 11:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's a really dumb economic idea. I agree with CAT; it's naive.
You already have the highest incarceration percentage in the world.
You're already spending $80 billion per year, on that fucked up system.

That's not 'creating jobs', that's a huge expense and taking out lots of young men from the labor force, often for life. That is hurting your economy.

How about solving the causes for crime, instead of trying to suppress it?

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By Daytonaguy8 at 12,Nov,23 16:23 other posts of Daytonaguy8 
Can we not
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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 12:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes We Can!
By phart at 14,Nov,23 14:59 other posts of phart 
NO we can't!
Because in this case, we don't even know what is being ask.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Nov,23 17:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't know either, but I like to be positive. We can do (almost) anything we choose to.
By phart at 14,Nov,23 18:42 other posts of phart 
In a better world, being positive is a great idea,a great goal. BUT in the real world, just being honest may be the best thing right now.Some things just aint gonna work. Like whirled peas
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Nov,23 16:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Honestly, in the real world, we can do (almost) anything we choose to.
They just tell you there is nothing they can do, when they don't want to.

The 100th mass school shooting? Thoughts and prayers, nothing more.
The government is about to shut down? Not our fault! It's the other guys.

They always ask "How will you pay for it?" for anything they don't want to do.
They never ask "How will you pay for it?" for everything they do want to do.

Improving healthcare? "How will you pay for it?"
Start a new endless war? "Of course we have those trillions of dollars!"
Invest in renewable energy? "How will you pay for it?"
Lower gas prices by cutting taxes? "Sure, people need their cars!"

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By CAT at 08,Nov,23 13:45 other posts of CAT 
American patriotism and nationalism, good concepts, two things to strive for. Who would argue with that? No one, and that’s the way it should be, but who is patriotic or holds our national ethos? That is where all these right wing and religious right spokespersons throw a stick at the spokes of the proverbial bike. To them, patriotism and nationalism, is defined as THEIR way of life and everyone else’s views and lifestyles are NOT.
That is not patriotic if you believe in our Law of the Land, our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of the English yoke. Remember those words? “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
This wannabe Clown, running for the Repucker nomination for President, is just acting like the Clown, choosing what part is acceptable to him as being patriotic or nationalistic. Not good.
By tecsan at 09,Nov,23 06:34 other posts of tecsan 
Do you believe in our laws or do you believe in no bail and prosecuting the victims as I have seen libtards do. Are you preaching to the libtards here, remember who won the civil war against slavery. Damn sure was not libtards. As for creator, show me a libtard that believes in a supreme creator, most are athesists.

But I do believe a clown is better than a bumbling fool that acts like mr magoo trying to get off the stage. Did you get the priviledge of of changinging mr magoos diaper tonight. Guess that explains your little rant.
By CAT at 09,Nov,23 16:55 other posts of CAT 
I could be wrong, but, I don’t think I am. In Civics 101 and Perry Masson,🤣, JUDGES SET BAIL.
If that’s true, and you know it is, then explain this.

NEWS ANALYSIS: Why Judges Tilt to the Right
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Jan. 31, 2015

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WASHINGTON — LAWYERS on average are much more liberal than the general population,
a new study has found. But judges are more conservative than the average lawyer, to say nothing
of the graduates of top law schools.
What accounts for the gap? The answer, the study says, is that judicial selection processes
are affected by politics.
Judges are, of course, almost without exception lawyers. If judges reflected the pool from which they
were selected based on politically neutral grounds like technical skill and temperament, the bench
might be expected to tilt left. But something else is going on.

“Politics plays a really significant role in shaping our judicial system,” said Maya Sen, a political
scientist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government and one of the authors of the study. Since
judges tend to be more conservative than lawyers, she said, it stands to reason that the officials who
appoint judges and the voters who elect them are taking account of ideology. She said the phenomenon
amounted to a politicization of the courts, driven largely by conservatives’ swimming against the
political tide of the legal profession.

Now, you spouted a lot of conservative dogma concerning the judicial system and in particular, about
liberal judicial positions. Now I’m asking to give examples. Where, why, or how did a legitimate VICTIM
get prosecuted. More importantly, what was the outcome of the TRIAL? I won’t deny there have been
cases where a person got railroaded, but, it’s not the rule. And, the liberals aren’t always the one that push
the boundaries of the judicial system. Take the Honorable Judge, Aileen Cannon, that has done everything
possible to keep The Clown from getting a slice of justice.

Now, let me address that old argument about WHO WON THE CIVIL WAR AGAINST SLAVERY.
The Civil War was won by the Nationalist North when they defeated the seditious Confederacy. It doesn’t
matter what their political membership in a political party was. Patriotism is what happens at the time it’s
needed. If those same people, later in time, become a blotch on the National landscape, then it’s ok to try
to counteract their politics. As an example take Henri Philippe Benoni Omer Pйtain. He was a French
military officer and statesman who commanded the French Army in World War. A hero of France in WWI,
and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France, from 1940 to 1944, during World War II,
becoming a puppet of the German Nazi occupied France. A true traitor. That’s exactly what Trump is, a TRAITOR.
I don’t want a TRAITOR for President and I don’t want to be governed by people who support him or his type of
You can call it a rant. My President, Joe Biden, Old Joe, IS my President. I know age has whitened his temples
and his balance is that of a septuagenarian. So what? Does that mean he’s ready for the grave? His mind is
just as sharp as ever and his policies are spot on. What exactly did The Clown do besides running our national
debt into the stratosphere? From his other Repuckers at the debate last night, “our great grandchildren will suffer
for that”. Trump uses Depends too.
Tecsan, I’m Orthodox Catholic. I’m not that active in the church anymore. I question many things in my religion.
That doesn’t mean I don’t believe, nor does that mean left of center politically leaning people don’t believe. If you would
just open your eyes, you’d realize that the majority of the conservatives and the liberals are different by very little.
We all want life, liberty, the right to worship as we like and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the right to have
an abortion, and before you start squawking, more than 70% of the people from both sides of the political divide,
want abortion to be legal up to the 15th week.

By WOODY58 at 30,Oct,23 14:23 other posts of WOODY58 
Auto workers strike is over as union and GM reach potential deal
The United Auto Workers strike is set to end after it agreed to terms of a new contract with the third member of Detroit's Big Three.

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Is this good or bad?
By phart at 30,Oct,23 18:21 other posts of phart 
Not good for the consumer .Increased cost of vehicles .As if it is not already about impossible to afford 1.
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Before i could finish specing a truck to closely match what i currently use, the cost was already over 55,000 dollars.
It went to see dealer for cost soon after that. Only 6 exterior colors?
Gee,let's see here what a NON union company offers.
only registered users can see external links, 53,000 and that was everything speced!
By WOODY58 at 30,Oct,23 21:08 other posts of WOODY58 
Most likely. Now, two things will happen. Either everything will continue as before or the vehicle prices will jump up. If the later, they may price themselves out of the market. That’s the way it is.

By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Oct,23 22:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you never worry about the price of the product,
when management and the shareholders are taking too much?
Some products have a 95% profit margin. Isn't that bad for consumers?
By phart at 30,Oct,23 22:18 other posts of phart 
Who is worthy of the responsibility of deciding how much is to much?
Why in the world would you invest in and build up a company, NOT to make a profit??? what a waste of time.

time to build plants in non union states or over seas, and AUTOMATE.
By WOODY58 at 31,Oct,23 13:53 other posts of WOODY58 
Right on. Export more jobs. It’s what every worker in this nation wants.
By phart at 31,Oct,23 14:32 other posts of phart 
It is not what they "want" , but it is what they are going to wind up with.
Sometimes a half full glass of water is better than dehydrating.
There was a reason the little story of the goose that laid the golden egg was told to kids at a young age.
It teaches that greed will not get you good results.
perhaps a cost of living raise should be put back in place. But the 32 hour week with 40 hour pay and a raise? To much,that is called GREED.

By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 15:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your answer always comes down to one thing; workers are entitled to nothing,
but the almighty employer/investor is entitled to everything.
Who is actually making the products?
Why are the people who are actually making it NOT to make a profit?

How about we create a system where workers don't need investors to profit from their labor? How about we invest as a community, and take the profits from our own work, as a community, instead of enriching a few useless ass-holes further and further?
By phart at 31,Oct,23 15:16 other posts of phart 
For whatever reason, you keep calling the people with the money that take the risk to invest as useless. without them, there are no jobs.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 20:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Because you are really overrating that risk.

I'm trying to explain to you an alternative where we do not need private rich people to invest in things. We can organize humanity to develop public capital and then we elect independent specialist representatives, who decide which investments benefit society the most and creates the most well-paying jobs.

I'm calling them useless, because we don't need some wealthy people who only care about becoming more wealthy, to decide what priorities humanity pursues.
I want to have that decided democratically, not dictatorially.
Those wealthy people answer to no one. That's not democratic.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 02:14 other posts of phart 
What you propose leaves little motivation to do more than just enough to get by.
In your system, innovation would be little if any.
No gain from it for the person that has a idea or method to improve something,you pretty much would be doing away with patents, tradmarks, protections for the inventor-innovator.
THus over time, taking away any motivation to become either.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Nov,23 11:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Nothing but dumb propaganda.

You want all the workers in America to get 'just enough to get by'.
Any time a worker fights for what more than that, you lambast them.
Their motivation is not getting rewarded in YOUR SYSTEM.
What I propose is democracy, which does reward people for doing well,
because that is what people want. Only the small minority, that you are part of, wants only the people on top getting all the rewards.

I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society. You want rich people being rewarded for using their money to just further enrich themselves, no matter the consequences to society.
My system improves society, your system just rewards selfishness.

You are leaving lots of smart people in mediocrity, because they don't have the money for a good education. Innovation requires education. We don't live in the time of Edison anymore. The light-bulb and phonograph have already been invented. Innovation requires actual hard science now. And your education system is so expensive that most people only can afford what's necessary to become head of the burger-flippers. That's making talent useless.
By tecsan at 02,Nov,23 04:54 other posts of tecsan 
You just want something for nothing except when it comes to you sharing with others that want something for nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,23 08:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I just explained what I wanted. Where do you read that I want something for nothing?

Why would I want to share with people who want something for nothing?
Or is that you referring to people who are unable to work
or are at an age that they should expect to can retire?
I want to share with people who NEED it.

And I want all people to share in democratically controlled public capital,
so we don't need to rely on wealthy people for investments anymore.
Then everyone benefits from those investments, not just the wealthy.

Your head is filled with straw-men. Why don't you actually read what I'm saying?
By tecsan at 03,Nov,23 05:32 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe you participate in capitalism, oh tired of hearing I have no choice. Sure you do, you choose to participate in capitalism because it works for you. I do read your bullshit, but most of it is just bullshit as stated. Your socialism shit will never work and you know it, but you are welcome to keep up with your pathetic endeavors. As for straw-men, think you may have a few straws too many surrounding your brain.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Nov,23 08:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Explain my alternative way to stay alive, without 'doing' capitalism then,
while I still participate in supporting (more) socialism.

Understand that it is impossible to do socialism by yourself,
if you don't understand that, you don't understand socialism.
By tecsan at 04,Nov,23 02:34 other posts of tecsan 
That is why socialism is so great it takes too many dumbasses to make it work. Thankfully there are not that many dumbasses in one place.

You always like these libtard policies, I guess that is because you do not have to be subjected to the consequences of you're ludicrous ideology.
By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Nov,23 09:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Can you be a capitalist by yourself?

Socialism depends on COOPERATION and SOLIDARITY.
Yes, those things require other people to work.
But cooperation and solidarity uses combined strengths,
to improve the capacity, above everyone just working alone.
That's why 'socialism' has the word 'social' in it.
How can anyone be 'social' by themselves?
Who is the dumb-ass, for not understanding that?

Explain what's ludicrous about cooperation and solidarity.

By tecsan at 08,Nov,23 06:57 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker remember SOCIALISM is your way. If you feel so strongly about it, then surely you can provide for yourself. I get it though, you would not have the comfort of all the amenities that capitalism provides. Go get a shack 100 miles from no where and provide for yourself.

By tecsan at 01,Nov,23 06:48 other posts of tecsan 
Remember Ananas2xLekker the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed. Now the almighty employer/investor has put up all of their money whether it is successful or fails. I believe the people making the product do have a little to gain, it is called a 'PAYCHECK'. Pays bills right and keeps food on the table for their family.

Wake up and realize, you become wealthy if you incur risks, otherwise you work to make a living. Yes it was possible when joey was not the pres. Many will figure this out and vote to fire his sorry ass.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Nov,23 12:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The wealthiest 1% holds 53% of stocks, worth $19.16 trillion. If you expand to the top 10%, that group holds 88.6% of stocks, which have a value of $28 trillion."
Most of the profit is distributed over those stock owners.

Those risks the wealthy take are only in favor of themselves.
If they win, some people might benefit from it too,
but mostly the ones 'taking the risk' win AND society looses.
And even when those risk-takers loose sometimes, the losses get
distributed to society too. Just look at those risk-takers who own banks.
Who bails them out again and again?

I want society as a whole to take those risks and reap the rewards.
Because those risks are already passed on to society, but we do not
reap the rewards. Only the 1% to 10% does and the rest of us get scraps.

Amazon is one of the most successful companies, but it destroys small and medium size businesses, doesn't pay well and doesn't pay taxes. They are not even much cheaper for the consumers, but they destroyed the income of many consumers, by destroying jobs in small and medium size businesses. This reduces your economy, but it mostly favors Jeff Bezos, Andrew Jassy, some managers and the shareholders which are mostly the wealthy.

Whether a company succeeds or not is only dependent now on how much people want their product or services and how much the company maximizes the exploitation of resources, like employees, suppliers and nature.
The company doesn't have the goal of feeding its employee's families or to benefit society, its only goal is making money for the investors, which is for the most part a tiny group of wealthy people.

Stop with you absolute bullshit about Biden or Democrats.
They have not laid one finger on capitalism.
They have only improved it, a bit.
The wealthy are making record profits.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:35 other posts of phart 
This the way innovation is "rewarded" in europe.
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There are reports of a minor incident in 1771, when the second prototype vehicle is said to have accidentally knocked down a brick or stone wall, either that of a Paris garden or part of the Paris Arsenal walls, in perhaps the first known automobile accident.[6] The incident is unrecorded in contemporary accounts, first appearing in 1804, thirty-three years after the alleged accident. Nevertheless, the story persists that Cugnot was arrested and convicted of dangerous driving, another first for him if true.[7]
Later life
Following the French Revolution, Cugnot's pension was withdrawn in 1789 and he went into exile in Brussels where he lived in poverty. Shortly before his death, Cugnot's pension was restored by Napoleon Bonaparte and he eventually returned to Paris where he died on 2 October 1804.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,23 09:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are talking about 1771! Innovation depended on just a few people with a good brain or being part of the science community. That innovation increased the living standards for people, but mostly for a few and the rest of the people were just slaving in huge factories, from age 12, until they died. Those people have all been replaced by robots. That was INNOVATION. It made jobs better, more productive and paying better. The wealthy people still invested in people back then, because they needed educated people for more difficult jobs and they needed people with money, to buy their products. Still, innovation was simple. Some guy in a shed could invent the 'next thing'.

For a country to succeed nowadays, they need mostly educated people.
All those jobs that don't require any education, don't pay shit.
They don't pay shit, because it doesn't contribute much to society.
It's nice that you can eat a burger, but it adds NOTHING to society.
It's low quality, unhealthy food, that creates lots of pollution.
The only reason to do this is capitalism; it enriches a few people
and it keeps all the people working there in poverty.

I have recently listed many fields of study where innovation is still possible.
All of them require higher education. All the jobs resulting from those innovations
require a higher or at least a good education. Your country doesn't have enough of those people anymore. That's why your good jobs are getting outsourced.
It leaves your country with a few good jobs for the children of rich people who could afford a higher education and it leaves the rest of the people with shit paying jobs, in the services and food sector.

That will result in a decline of your whole economy. People who get paid shit don't have money to buy stuff. The US is already mostly a consumption economy (68.1 % of its Nominal GDP), not a high tech economy, even though you have the biggest high tech companies. However, those high tech companies will either fail or outsource all the good jobs, to countries like mine, where people still can afford good education. That leaves you with the burger flippers and declining number of shelf stackers (because no one has any money to buy stuff) and some people servicing the few wealthy people. It's not a viable method to keep an economy thriving. Just look at the signs; 57% of Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency and nearly 4 in 10 Americans can't cover a $400 expense.
Between 55% to 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Poor people are horrible consumers. They only buy what they need to survive.
Their percentages will only go up and consumption will go down.
There goes the backbone of the American economy.

By WOODY58 at 01,Nov,23 13:44 other posts of WOODY58 
Tecsan, you really believe this?

“ the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed.”

Maybe you are so well off that you don’t need a job, but, before retirement, a job was the most important part of my life. My family depended on me working.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:21 other posts of phart 
If mcdonalds failed tommorow, the burger flippers walk over to burger king and get a job. they have lost nothing else because they invested nothing else.
I know mcdonalds is not failing but just a example.

"I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society.'

that reward is MONEY dummy. And what are they going to do with money? they will want it to grow into more money, so they will invest. in what though?
If they are making alot of money in a mediocre job,why would they invest it in a better education?
By WOODY58 at 01,Nov,23 14:40 other posts of WOODY58 
Ok, let’s work with the “burger flippers”. They are in the low income bracket. If they get laid off today, it will take them at least two weeks to find a new job, pass pre-employment rig-a-morol before they start the new job. That’s, like I’ve said, at least two weeks. Then they have to wait, on the average, certainly in a big “burger flipping” company, two weeks before they get their first paycheck and, if they started in the middle of the pay period, they get only ONE week’s pay. Now, think about this employee that barely makes enough money per month to pay his bills and buy food and gas.
You don’t see this as the employee being out of something? I know I’ve got a much longer employment history than you and most have been with Fortune 500 companies. Believe me when I tell you, career employees do care for their jobs and strive to be the best. Not all can be the best, but, they all try. What gave you the idea that all people are lazy? Don’t answer that you see it all around. If you do, then you have a very narrow field of vision or a very small sample of life.
By phart at 01,Nov,23 14:44 other posts of phart 
Now hiring signs posted on business's everywhere I go,100 miles from home or just down the road,
A new restaurant is set to open a few miles from here, can't open yet, can't get anyone to come for interviews
By WOODY58 at 01,Nov,23 15:02 other posts of WOODY58 
Yes, but, what I’ve just described is real at everyone of those places. And if there’s a shortage of workers, we’ll, that’s better for people looking for work. That is a problem for a business, but, it equate to laziness of the work force.

By tecsan at 08,Nov,23 06:52 other posts of tecsan 
I bet when Trump walked into the court room in NY, he said what the fuck is this hippie sob doing in here. Now Arthur has has lewd pics on the net. A supreme court judge should not do that kind of shit.

By phart at 07,Nov,23 11:19 other posts of phart 
When sleepy joe signed away the pipeline on his first day on the job folks like cat said it would not have helped oil prices for several years!
Well,it has been 3 years, and check this shit out.
Did you enjoy 1973?
We could be in for a repeat.
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If that pipeline had not been stomped out, it would be almost finished now and we could have told opec to go fuck themselves.
By dgraff at 07,Nov,23 11:27 other posts of dgraff 
I remember the gas rations of 1979 you could only buy gas certain days according to your license plate number and i still have a box of hat pins that say Iran 🇮🇷 sucks
By phart at 07,Nov,23 15:18 other posts of phart 
yea my dad was stuck out of town for a extra day because he couldn't get gas tto go home

By phart at 23,Sep,23 02:23 other posts of phart 
biden-fetterman 2024! It's a No brainer!
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I believe once they stole 2020 all future elections will not be worth voting in. They'll just do it again.
By phart at 23,Sep,23 03:19 other posts of phart 
It will be difficult to trust the results.
At least our state got voter id.
So that will help a bit
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Yes. I hope I'm wrong but the truth is there for us with eyes wide open.
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By tecsan at 13,Oct,23 09:14 other posts of tecsan 
My state has voter id, last time I voted, I showed them my ID without them asking and they seemed surprised. Guess they have arguments with many about it.
By phart at 13,Oct,23 16:33 other posts of phart 
I went to visit a dying friend in the hospital yesterday and had to show my ID to get a pass to go to his room.
Alot of things require a ID, these folks that object to having a id to vote are hiding something. have to be, otherwise they would Want a id to be able to function in real life.
By CAT at 13,Oct,23 21:58 other posts of CAT 
Phart, that's BS. It's the way you think because that's what you'd do. No matter how many times it's explained to you, you just refuse to see it. ITS THE COST IN TIME AND MONEY THAT MANY PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND.
By phart at 14,Oct,23 11:57 other posts of phart 
How long does it take to go by a local dmv and get your mugshot on some lexan? not so long it is time prohibitive to someone with no job
By CAT at 14,Oct,23 17:01 other posts of CAT 
I'm not talking about someone with no job. The DMV is not open after normal business hours. Someone that works but has no vacation/sick time offered in their job, would loose several hours of work/pay. The Office of Vital Statistics, is open during regular business hours and that's where you go for a birth certificate. Both cost money not to mention transportation to and from. Now, do you think an unemployed person would have a bigger incentive to do this than us employed person?
The people that have the least money to spend are the very people Republicans don't want to vote as they are mostly Democrats. I don't have a problem with voter ID. All I'm advocating for is a free and easy way to do it. Example: make election day a paid holiday. Make birth certificates be on line and make polling places able to access your birth certificate and able to give you a non-diving picture ID on polling site.
Is there a problem with that?
By phart at 15,Oct,23 02:20 other posts of phart 
ONline,no,to much chance for hacking.
But yes,free id, legal id,photo taken in person,not photoshopped and sent by email.
By WOODY58 at 15,Oct,23 10:26 other posts of WOODY58 
Ok, so there are ways. Then, why won’t they?

By CAT at 15,Oct,23 12:49 other posts of CAT 
How do you hack a birth certificate?
By phart at 15,Oct,23 12:58 other posts of phart 
if it is online, it can be hacked. IF it is printed at the hospital,and handed to the parent,kinda hard to hack that.
Besides, why didn't the hospital give the parents a birth certificate when the baby was born? I have mine in the safe,a little slip of paper,
By CAT at 15,Oct,23 15:40 other posts of CAT 
Did it have a picture of you as you look now?
By phart at 15,Oct,23 15:56 other posts of phart 
No but when I got my first license ,I had to present it,so it is on file that i have 1,and my current class a cdl has a picture of me,and yes I do make a face for the camera as the license are 125 bucks so i put a shocked look on my face when the camera flashes.

By CAT at 23,Sep,23 22:18 other posts of CAT 
I really, really hope all Repuckers truly believe that the 2020 election was stolen and that it’s not worth voting ever again. It makes our job so much easier.
By dgraff at 23,Sep,23 22:41 other posts of dgraff 
It will be a cold day in hell before I will let you liberal creeps walk all over me the democrats in my neck of the woods are all ready feeling my wrath
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Night time reconnaissance missions if you get my drift
By CAT at 24,Sep,23 14:09 other posts of CAT 
You’re just a pussycat with a “look at me” attitude.🤣😈
By dgraff at 24,Sep,23 14:40 other posts of dgraff 
Sure what ever you say you don’t have to live in my neighborhood and that’s a good thing you would not last
By CAT at 25,Sep,23 13:10 other posts of CAT 
Haven't you heard? I go to skinheads meetings. 🤣🤣😈
By dgraff at 25,Sep,23 15:33 other posts of dgraff 
Hahaha i knew it i thought i seen you at one of the meetings
By WOODY58 at 26,Sep,23 15:48 other posts of WOODY58 
Not a joke, Bubba.
By dgraff at 26,Sep,23 20:06 other posts of dgraff 
I’m more of a KKK fan myself
By WOODY58 at 27,Sep,23 11:20 other posts of WOODY58 
I used to be a Playboy member. Now, I’m lucky to say I’m a “boy” member.
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By sherryann at 23,Sep,23 23:12 other posts of sherryann 
well so be it, because it's crooked here anyway regardless if it's a vote for president or just local, we call it Crook County for a reason
By CAT at 24,Sep,23 14:10 other posts of CAT 
As I’ve said, “Thank you “.

By CAT at 25,Sep,23 18:23 other posts of CAT 
Don't blame it on us if you guys breed crooked politicians. It's probably all that cold snowy weather
By sherryann at 26,Sep,23 01:13 other posts of sherryann 
CAT, I love my change of seasons and wouldn't like living somewhere warm all year. But then again, if I was born into that climate I'd probably like that better.
By phart at 26,Sep,23 13:18 other posts of phart 
If I aint mistaken don't you live somewhere in a stone's throw from chicago? I aint got enough ammo to live near that place. A local fellow met a woman and they wanted to marry but she didn't want to leave her home in chicago, so he sold his place here and went up there. about 4 months ago,he was back ,He said fuck that place. he told her DIVORCE or move back here, so he is single again.
By sherryann at 27,Sep,23 22:05 other posts of sherryann 
Phart your statement "ain't got enough ammo to live near that place" is right! And those that do are not legally allowed to own a Firearm or carry.(but they're the main ones who are armed) Sadly it's the worst state for a legal gun owner or a potential gun owner just wanting to defend themselves. Your friend did the right thing and the gal was actually lucky someone cared enough about her to venture in the shithole.

By tecsan at 24,Sep,23 00:59 other posts of tecsan 
It was stolen, but I think we know how they did it and can combat it for now. Hell, I bet joey votes democrat for another 500 years.
By CAT at 24,Sep,23 14:11 other posts of CAT 
Sure “Tex”, Jan 6 again?

By phart at 15,Oct,23 15:58 other posts of phart 
I know ,slow response to this post, but We do feel it was stolen or at bare minimum,there was issues that were never addressed to our satisfaction. BUT it will not prevent most of us from doing our civic duty and voting.

By tecsan at 23,Sep,23 05:15 other posts of tecsan 
phart I need to correct you, it is fetterBUM.
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Sep,23 15:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your politicians make believe that they support the working class and completely show themselves to be lying elitists pricks, who shit on the working class.

At least John Fetterman is the real deal. He doesn't just really support the working class, he also dresses like the working class. He's not just showing that he craps on those elitist pricks, he's also triggering them, to make them show their true colors.
And you are dumb enough to help him make that point.
By dgraff at 26,Sep,23 20:12 other posts of dgraff 
I heard John fetterman is wanted by the FBI for murder and **** he’s accused of killing time and fucking the state of Pennsylvania
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Sep,23 20:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Obviously a very trustworthy source.
Why don't they arrest him then? They know his whereabouts.
By dgraff at 26,Sep,23 22:44 other posts of dgraff 
Yeah the mental hospital seeking attention for depression
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,23 17:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He had his problems, but he's much better now.

Do you understand how much voters disliked Dr. Oz, to prefer someone
who was a definite risk of not being able to represent them?
That's a clear confirmation that people like a working class representative.
The voters understood very well that Dr. Oz was an elitist prick,
who was only acting to care about the working man.

If all Democrats were real populists like Fetterman, Republicans would
never win another election. That's why you dislike him so much.
By tecsan at 29,Sep,23 08:06 other posts of tecsan 
See your little shining star bum ( Ananas2xLekker ) was wearing a suit last date.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,23 17:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Oh no, did he. I know he has one, I saw it before.
But, I hope he doesn't cave and starts wearing it all the time.

By phart at 29,Sep,23 15:05 other posts of phart 
fetterman has some college education but he sure does not act like it NOW and a man that has a issue with even DRESSING for the job he was put in, lacks what it takes to be a leader.
If you read about him on wilpedia, he has been charged with tax evasion and chasing down a BLACK Man with a shotgun.
He aint a saint by no means.
And although I have said it more than once,I can appreciate his desire to provide community service,he should NOT be where he is,his mind is not up to the task and he is actually a distraction and harms the democrat party in being so.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,23 17:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Chasing a black man with a shotgun and evading taxes is
sort of a prerequisite to become a Republican politician.
Do you like him more now?

I'll have to look into a bit more. It might make me like him less.
I think his mind is up to the task now, but I agree it was tricky.
Giving the choice between him and Dr. Oz, that's an easy one.
A potato is a better choice than another elitist prick hurting people.

I thought his outfit would be just a distraction hurting the party,
but it turns out not to be. It triggers the right-wing media and
Republicans to show their incredible hate for the working-class,
which will turn off most hard working Americans, except for you lot.
It might finally show some Fox'News' viewers how fake their populism is.
By phart at 29,Sep,23 18:22 other posts of phart 
Working class people wear the clothes suitable for their jobs.
And a SUIT is what is SUITABLE for congress.He knew that congresmen wear suits on the job before he applied.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Oct,23 16:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Working class people were clothes that are practical or a necessity to do the jobs safely. When people ignore that, people can get hurt.
Congressman wear clothes that are customary. It's good to challenge customs every now and then, to investigate what purpose they serve. If that purpose is to elevate themselves above the rest of the people, that should be challenged, because democracy should be performed by people who serve the public trust, not the dominate the public to serve themselves.
By phart at 16,Oct,23 18:11 other posts of phart 
Why would a leader want to look just like the followers?
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Oct,23 15:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
When you're talking about a 'leader', is that democracy?
I want the people that I vote for to represent me not lead me.

Understand that I'm not disagreeing with some clothing standards for politicians. However, what I saw hear was an incredible disdain over someone who disagreed with your standards about appearances, calling him disrespectful, while your politicians show no decorum at all. When a Republican disrespects everything that used to be good manners, you like it, but when a Democrat just wears the clothes of a normal working class person, all of your party shows how they hate normal working class people. That was a very useful demonstration and it's very possible that Fetterman intended that. If he did, they all walked into his trap, like very dumb rats.

Actually I have criticized one of my elected representatives once, for being too casually dressed. I thought it was useful that he got noticed, as third of a small party, but when he kept dressing too casually, it became an unfavorable distraction. Every time he opened his mouth, the chairwoman addressed his clothing, which was cutting into his speaking time. He only got noticed for his looks and not his words. So I wrote an email to my party, asking them to buy him some clothes, to make him comply with the dress code, while still allowing him to look as cool as possible. I just wanted him to stand out, without getting interrupted. I added that it would be good strategy, because he didn't get noticed anymore for looking shabby, so next he could get noticed again for looking cool within the rules. They answered me that they would forward him my email, but that it would be all up to his own responsibility.

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By phart at 17,Oct,23 21:20 other posts of phart 
Working class people don't dress like fetterman did while on their jobs. that is getto 'hood style dress of gangsters,hoodlums and people up to no good,I seriously doubt he actually "represents" many people as far as how they look. he was voted in to get help get pot and dope legal
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Oct,23 11:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Oh, thanks, I'm wearing a hoodie, right now, while working.
From home, so I don't have to be presentable.

Always focusing on how gangsters and hoodlums are dressed.
The biggest criminals were the nicest suits. They don't steal a car radio for a line of crack, they steal the pensions of a million old folks or sell opioids like candy. They cut some costs for brakes on trains, so a whole town gets poisoned when the train derails. Or they bribe politicians to allow high levels of lead and mercury in drinking water and conceal it. They kill more people than all hoodie wearing gangsters combine. They just do it more slowly, giving people cancer. Then some other suits can make billions raking in the dividend for all those overpriced cancer treatment.

The worst criminals also never go to prison for any of their crimes,
against the whole of humanity at once.

Sure, you have a point that Fetterman was too casually dressed.
And I would have agreed with that point, if that point was made, instead all the hate for the common man came out. It really was a nice spectacle, showing what they are really all about. They represent the billionaire class, not the average guy.

(Working..., when I'm not procrastinating, by commenting on these forums.
Better get back to it now, or I won't get in my 8 hours.)
By phart at 19,Oct,23 15:11 other posts of phart 
-Why would you be wearing a hoodie? Are you trying to hide your identity from someone you are stealing from? Trying to keep people from seeing the evil in your eyes?
Hoodies are used for that reason.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Oct,23 15:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OMG, are you living in 1950?

They are just casual fashion. I never wear the hood of the hoodie.
It's just difficult to find a sweater vest without the hood.
By phart at 19,Oct,23 21:42 other posts of phart 
No I live in a time when thieves and thugs put their hands in the pockets of the "hoodies" and have the hoods pulled tight around their heads so you can't see them to Id them while they commit crimes ,like break in to cars and so forth.
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Oct,23 06:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Fetterman never wore the hood pulled tight around his head.
There are millions of people wearing hoodies just for comfort.

There are actually lots of people working in my office on site wearing a hoodie too. We all got one with the company logo on it, and because the air-conditioning is often turning the office into a fridge, that warm hoodie gets used a lot. There are not many people walking around in suits. When someone is wearing a suit, they are most likely having meetings with oversees clients or the FDA. I wore a suit to the office twice, for internal job interviews, and that was overdressing. They asked me if I wore a suit often. I made the joke that I have one, paid a lot of money for it, so I wanted to still get some use out of it.

If you think everyone wearing a hoodie is a gangster, I understand
your anxiety. You wouldn't feel safe in my company's offices.

When I say that the biggest crooks wear the nicest suits, I don't turn it around and assume everyone wearing a nice suit is a crook. However, when I require a financial service, I get more on guard the flashier the suit is that they are wearing. It's not just the suit though, I can tell when they are trying to use their image to make you decide on trust. That's what the crooks do, but I don't make my financial decisions on trust.
If you do, you are getting fooled.

By tecsan at 19,Oct,23 05:35 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker Maybe Palestinians in Gaza should follow your advice.

When you're talking about a 'leader', is that democracy?
I want the people that I vote for to represent me not lead me.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Oct,23 15:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They definitely could use my advise, but it wouldn't be of much use to them.
Palestinians don't have a democracy. Hamas is not an elected party.
Just like the Taliban in Afghanistan isn't an elected party.
As a citizen, you either accept their rule or get murdered.
Do I really have to explain things like this? Isn't it 'common sense'?
By phart at 19,Oct,23 21:43 other posts of phart 
We aint had any trouble out of the Taliban lately though have we?
By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Oct,23 07:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who are the 'we' you're talking about?
The Taliban controls the whole of Afghanistan.
They told the Afghans they would be nicer this time,
but it's one of the strictest versions of sharia law now.
And because the west is sanctioning the country very strictly,
the only way for any Afghan to get food is through the Taliban.
The Taliban mostly fund themselves with opium production,
but they also get 'charity' from the gulf states, your oil buddies.

Unless you don't have heroin addicts any more, the Taliban gives you
lots of trouble.

By tecsan at 29,Oct,23 05:50 other posts of tecsan 
I really thought that Hamas beat Fatah 44-41% in 2006. Was that corrupt like here in 2020.
By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 20:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
How many dictators do you know that were democratically elected?
Putin was elected. Now he just has some sham election every few years.
Even North Korea has elections where the Kim family always wins.
It's called a 'no-choice' parliamentary election.
Palestinians do not even get a sham or 'no-choice' election.

Unless the Palestinians have election periodically and alternatives to vote for other than Hamas, you can't say that they support Hamas now.
Have you done an anonymous poll?

By tecsan at 19,Oct,23 05:37 other posts of tecsan 
I am sure fetterbum is right by wearing practical and necessary clothing.

By phart at 12,Oct,23 13:41 other posts of phart 
You don't fully recover from mental problems, your symptoms are kept under control.
By tecsan at 19,Oct,23 05:32 other posts of tecsan 
He phart biden is a perfect example of what you stated.

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By tecsan at 27,Sep,23 03:53 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker when are you going to learn that it is hard to prosecute a lib. You and I both know the libs bury evidence with red tape. I do not know how it works in the Netherlands and obviously you do not know how things here work either.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 08:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Bullshit, there are just as much conservative judges as liberal judges.
It's just the victim complex talking that you have been indoctrinated with.
Isn't Bob Menendez now getting what he deserves?

It's hard to prosecute a lib, WITHOUT EVIDENCE! That's how it should be.
Get the evidence and libs go down just as hard.
So why is there no evidence? Either they are not doing it or they are just smarter.

Your problem is that you want to prosecute libs, WITHOUT EVIDENCE!
That's you not caring about LAW AND ORDER.

If there is someone using red tape to its maximum, it's Trump!
If he's so innocent, then why is he constantly delaying and obstructing?
Trump can justify every action, IF HE SHOWS THE EVIDENCE about the election being stolen. He hasn't provided anything! And he had 60 court cases, to do so.

However, all the evidence shows that Trump is guilty of massive election fraud,
and he planned his election fraud WAY AHEAD OF THE ELECTION.
Trump didn't believe that there was going to be fraud by Democrats or their voters, he was doing it HIMSELF. The accusations towards Democrats were just part of the plan, to get his stupid followers to help him.

Trump just didn't understand that Mike Pence is a REAL believer, who believed helping Trump to crush democracy would send him TO HELL, FOR SURE.
Pence wasn't going to sacrifice his soul for Trump. He knew Trump lost
or he would have surely helped Trump to get his win.

By phart at 27,Sep,23 01:27 other posts of phart 
Yea, look at biden marching with those over paid auto workers. While the pizza delivery guys and the carpentors and the trash truck drivers could use a raise ,he goes and supports people already making plenty of money wanting EVEN MORE and wanting to do LESS to get it.I am looking forward to the companys getting their ducks in a row, and saying "ok here is you a raise and etc". And a few months later, "Ok folks if you would please program your replacement robots!" You will no longer be needed,hope you can learn a new job to earn a living!"
By tecsan at 27,Sep,23 03:56 other posts of tecsan 
Hey phart did you notice joey needed a megaphone to talk to that small crowd, probably so he would be heard over the 'fuck joe biden' chants.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 09:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Did you see Joe lately? We know he can hardly make audible sound.
But his ability is not consistent what what you make him out to be.
He's still being more coherent, than your narcissist failure ever was.

They probably gave Joe some Adderall, but he's doing his job.
The actual Pro-Worker Party voters want him to support strikes.
Republicans show their true colors again. They hate working people.
By tecsan at 28,Sep,23 07:49 other posts of tecsan 
Come on Ananas2xLekker, I bet you are waiting for the old fart to fall again like all of us are waiting for the same.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,23 17:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I think your democracy is dependent on him doing well.
Or deciding to stop now and announce a primary election.
But, if Biden is the candidate, I need him to do his best,
because any of those Republicans, I saw on stage, winning in 2024,
would be devastating for everyone. They are all evil morons.
Even the ones I dislike the least would be disastrous.

By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 08:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"over paid auto workers"?
Damn you are cucked by the wealthy, always picking their side.

When the car manufacturers almost went bankrupt, all those auto workers
took harsh pay-cuts, with the guarantee that they would get back the pay,
when the car manufacturers were back on their feet. Now they are making
huge profits again and the CEO's gave themselves a 40% increase in pay,
while not delivering on their promise. Fuck them then; STRIKE!!

If car manufacturers can automate more, they will do it.
It doesn't matter how good of a slave their employees are.
Until then, they should pay a good wage, so their employees
can send their kids to a good school, so they can be less
replaceable by robots, than their working class parents.
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Trump says that the UAW should endorse him and not Biden,
because somehow Trump thinks he's more pro-worker.
Now he's going to hold a speech to the auto-workers too,
NON-UNION truck parts supplier (Drake Enterprises), after being invited by their management in an event organized by
the National Right to work Foundation, an anti-union organization.

"Biden Makes History With UAW While Trump Applies Clown Makeup"
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By phart at 27,Sep,23 19:02 other posts of phart 
Under the current contract negotiated in 2019, full-time unionized factory workers start off at around $18 an hour and can earn up to $32 an hour. UAW base wages have risen an average 6% since their last contract in 2019, the union said.2 days ago
That is damn good money for installing a lug nut or welding a short bead on a metal joint as something moves along to the next guy.
Those jobs are so simple and "safe" they could do them in their sleep .No real education needed either.
By tecsan at 28,Sep,23 07:52 other posts of tecsan 
You know the wages you stated above are pretty high and I bet an average high school grad would love to do the work they do for the pay they get.

Hell, I know many that would take their striking asses jobs. But, remember they are striking because of you know who and the ass shows up to try and show support (just for a photo op). I think we all see through his so called 'bidenomics'.

Could someone please explain 'bidenomics' to the fool.

By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,23 19:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
As I understand most autoworkers work in shifts.
Then I think $18/hour is pathetically low.
$32 isn't bad. I would make about the same, if I went back
to work in production, in shifts. My job would have a bit more
skill requirements, but it would be way less physically demanding.

And it depends when they get that $32/hour. If that is the absolute maximum,
they would reach that just before they retire.
Or they would need to be supervisor.

In any case, you are arguing why workers don't deserve what they get,
but their CEO's make $20 - $40 million per year. Why do they deserve it?
They recently almost destroyed the whole car sector in your country.
The tax-payer had to cough up money to save all their asses.
And they can hardly compete with European and Asian car manufacturers.
They are not making, inventing, improving or solving anything.
The only thing they are doing is squeezing out maximum profit for share holders.
By phart at 28,Sep,23 19:31 other posts of phart 
what is wrong with shifts? It keeps the factory machinery productive 24 - 7 if need be, no over time needed to get the same work done that would require it with normal 8 hour days.
NO need for equipment to sit idle 16 hours a day when it can be making money. 18 a hour is good money for a new hire, longevity is what gets you to the 32.Incentive to stay and give the company back something for what it invest in you, workers comp ,insurance paid leaves and etc.NO free rides.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,23 19:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"what is wrong with shifts?"
You die younger. I did it for 10 years and still suffer some consequences.

"NO free rides." Except for CEO's and share holders.
By phart at 28,Sep,23 19:39 other posts of phart 
HOW? You go to work and you leave work,a set number of hours. Some work nighs,some work days. THe annoying thing is when the company switches people's shifts on a sequence. Left to work 1 or the other, people adapt and do well.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,23 20:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
sleep deprivation from having to ignore your internal clock all the time is very unhealthy.
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My internal clock is damaged. I need melotinin tablets every evening to be able to sleep. However, my internal clock is slowly healing. Years back, I needed 5 tablets to sleep and now I'm down to two. If I take more, I sleep faster, but wake up earlier. I do this sometimes when I need to get up early.

By CAT at 12,Oct,23 17:01 other posts of CAT 
I worked the graveyard shift for a while (hospitals are a 24 hr operation). I was always tired. The bedroom was never dark enough. Family time was inconvenient. Some things have to be done during normal hours. It was a mess. I was paid a substantial pay differential but I gave it up. Not worth it.
By phart at 12,Oct,23 21:41 other posts of phart 
To you personally, it was not worth it perhaps but the 3rd shifters I knew, they made it just fine for 30 years of it. the folks that work second shift,they actually seem to have the better of both worlds,they can run errands,go by the bank and so forth,still get some sleep and then go to work. The drive is safer,less traffic and so on.
By CAT at 13,Oct,23 12:22 other posts of CAT 
You don't know that. Doing it for 30 yrs doesn't mean they liked it
By phart at 13,Oct,23 21:35 other posts of phart 
if they didn't they would have changed. I do know for sure 1 of them did it so he didn't have to sleep with his wife!
He said so! he used the daylight hours to run a barber shop. Made a killing doing that.
By CAT at 13,Oct,23 21:54 other posts of CAT 
You knew one. Working in one of the biggest hospitals in the nation and in the department I worked in, I knew thousands of employees. The night shift people mostly didn't like it. Seniority and job availability was a huge reason for working it but few liked it.

By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Oct,23 16:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're definitely right about the advantages of shift work.
Since I left the shift, until the pandemic, traffic was murder.
Getting up before 6 am every day also takes its toll.
But, that still was better than shift work, that was clear to me.
Leaving the shift was a pay cut for me too, that took years to gain back.
And I had to work more hours too. But my health was worth all of it.

However, I mostly left the shift, because of a way more interesting job.
Now I really have the best of all worlds, working from home.
I can even procrastinate a lot and still get my work done to satisfaction.

Shift-work is tough, even while I was able to sleep well after the night shift.
In my previous house, I made plywood shutters in front of my windows.
In my current house, I invested in electric blinds immediately.
My bedroom is very dark, even at noon in the summer. It helped a lot.

By phart at 19,Oct,23 15:13 other posts of phart 
Well the companys are laying off employees, so that is helping to fix the real need to keep em around if they aint going to work.
I just read yesterday GM is backing the electric pickup deal off for a year.I think the Lighting from ford taught them a lesson, don't bring out a truck that cant' "WORK" like a truck.I am hoping they are investing in more automation as well so they can lay off more of these lazy strikers.

By WOODY58 at 15,Oct,23 10:35 other posts of WOODY58 
Mr Phart, I don’t know what you are used to but, $18 to $32 per hour is crap. I took my two grandkids to Burger King and we had two kids meals and one regular meal for me. Total was $28. The wages you are quoting are wages they used to pay in the 1990’s. It doesn’t matter how easy the work is or the education of the employee. If he can do the job, then he’s the one needed. If the work is so easy to do, then, why doesn’t the factory hire new employees?

By CAT at 29,Sep,23 15:36 other posts of CAT 
Bullshit, Phart. If the pizza guys get an union and decide to strike, if they are big enough, then I could see Old Joe walking with them too.
By phart at 12,Oct,23 14:10 other posts of phart 
Yea, and people will just order subs and chinese take out and let them walk around till they get hungry and they will go back to work.That is the way common sense would deal with the issue
By CAT at 12,Oct,23 17:04 other posts of CAT 
Are you trying to be dense? If customers stop buying pizza, THE OWNERS OF THE PIZZA JOINTS will settle. Why do you only contemplate the obvious and ignore the consequences and eventual outcome?
By phart at 12,Oct,23 21:38 other posts of phart 
since bankruptcy is ok if Trump doesn't do it, so what if the owners go bankrupt? If i ran a company and the workers tried to unionize, I would purposely sell to the chinese just to make damn sure they got screwed back
By CAT at 13,Oct,23 11:06 other posts of CAT 
And that is called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Sorry, baby,
By phart at 13,Oct,23 21:36 other posts of phart 
Yea, it's fucked up for sure,but it would damn sure show the lazy fuckers wanting to strike for even MORE money they already make that the employer does have the final say. as they can take away the jobs and send them away elsewhere.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Oct,23 16:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why are workers lazy if they want more money and not employers?
If employers cannot make a good profit, while paying their workers well,
than those employers are too fucking lazy, to manage their business right.

Pay good wages, get good employees and destroy the competition,
that's how a competent business person does it. They are rare, but they exist.
They are rare, because most of them were raised to think they own people.
That's why the billionaire class is so damaging; all spoiled useless idiots.
Just because their parents made it, doesn't make them any good at business.

By CAT at 03,Nov,23 14:32 other posts of CAT 
It looks like the employer did not have the final say

By CAT at 03,Nov,23 14:34 other posts of CAT 
It looks like the employers did not have the final say.

By tecsan at 14,Oct,23 04:36 other posts of tecsan 
We have to fight the lazy left. Use they're own tactics. Seems fair to me. Just look at what is presently happening. Do these people even have a brain?
By CAT at 14,Oct,23 14:25 other posts of CAT 
Do you?

By Ananas2xLekker at 31,Oct,23 20:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You are lazy, with your arguments.
You cannot do anything but fighting straw-men.
It's the laziest argument the right-wing has.

You don't even know why you have the ideas that you have.
If you would know, you could argument your ideas better.
It's called 'intellectual laziness'.

By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Nov,23 12:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Vivek Ramasmarmy doesn't know the meaning of the term 'Secularism'.
For anyone of you, who doesn't understand the term either:
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By CAT at 03,Nov,23 14:29 other posts of CAT 
It's funny how someone gets rich and famous and then thinks he knows how to fix all the problems of the world.

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Nov,23 21:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
New Republican Speaker FALLS ON HIS FACE with immediate misstep
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DeSantis is obviously wearing high heels to compensate for him being short
and when he got caught and gets confronted about it, he lies.
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I thought Republicans like alpha males. This is not alpha male behavior,
this is being an insecure little boy, who doesn't have the balls to admit it.

Why is their first instinct always to lie? Just tell the truth, it's easy.
The lying only makes it worse, ask Lauren Boebert.

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It's just an act, she's no Christian, she's just sucking up to them, aka LYING!

By WOODY58 at 30,Oct,23 03:12 other posts of WOODY58 
The economy is sizzling. The GDP is at 4.9%. I know who I’m voting for in 2024
By tecsan at 30,Oct,23 06:04 other posts of tecsan 
I already knew who you were voting for. So what. I cancel a libtard vote every year. Hmm, 2.061% Trump and 2.146% for joey. I wonder if you really have really looked into that.
By WOODY58 at 30,Oct,23 13:41 other posts of WOODY58 
I’m sorry, I don’t understand.
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By WOODY58 at 30,Oct,23 14:11 other posts of WOODY58 
The predicted recession has been coming for more than a year and all I read is that the economy is turning the corner in a very strong way. The perception though, especially concerning the participation of President Biden, is negative. Well, I for one, wold like for that perception to continue with Biden until January 20, 2029. He seems to git-it-done despite (or maybe because of) the perception.

By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Oct,23 13:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'Long Island Liar' George Santos is caught out AGAIN after claiming his five-year-old niece was kidnapped by Chinese Communists in New York City... which cops said was 'made up'
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He must have a mental disorder to lie so much, but he's very funny.
Do you think his New York voters are just as amused and vote for a Republican again?

"Santos foes line up to run for his seat. Here’s who’s in."
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By CAT at 26,Oct,23 16:42 other posts of CAT 
He’s gearing up for host of a late night comedy talk show:
“The Liars Club”

By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Oct,23 19:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
At least he has a carrier plan, once he's out of prison.
By phart at 26,Oct,23 19:56 other posts of phart 
As I have said before,that sumbitch needs to be gone,he would make a damn good democrat,there would be statues of him in downtown miami,
By CAT at 26,Oct,23 21:58 other posts of CAT 
Miami has a huge Repucker Cuban population. Especially near downtown.

By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Oct,23 09:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Congrats on your new speaker of the House.
Mike Johnson is a great MAGA pick; just as extreme and crazy as Jim Jordan,
but a bit smarter, he presents himself as more respectable and has less baggage.
By dgraff at 26,Oct,23 10:15 other posts of dgraff 
Thank you thank you we Americans accept this prestige award with open arms again thank you thank you
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Oct,23 11:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Actually, he's so extreme and crazy, only the MAGA crowd,
which is a minority of around 30% at best, will like him.
Your party is alienating everyone else.
It's just your party destroying itself further.

This guy is a hardliner on abortion, cracking down on gay and trans people,
gutting social security and medicare and giving more tax-cuts to the wealthy.
That is all very unpopular with most of Americans.

It's why you didn't have that red wave that you should have had.
And it's why people will reluctantly, but massively, vote for Biden AGAIN.
By dgraff at 26,Oct,23 12:27 other posts of dgraff 
Oh well it is what it is when pandemonium breaks out at least I’m prepared to defend what is mine and I’m prepared to eat squirrels ground hogs even possum what ever I can shoot off my own land so let the democrats and the socialists ruin the country i can live off grid
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Oct,23 13:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you really want that, go do it. Grow your own food and let everything just be.
But don't fuck it up for Americans who want a functioning government.
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--------------------------------------- added after 4 minutes

That wooshing sound is the sound of an idea that flies just higher than a person’s head. 🤣🤣🤣😈

By phart at 26,Oct,23 20:06 other posts of phart 
It is much easier to be self sufficient than to depend on a government made of dead beat liberal people that do not and will not do anything good.

By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Oct,23 17:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Getting a new GOP House speaker is not as easy as the gaggle of idiots thought, right?
Let's see if Jim Jordan breaks Kevin McCarthy's record of 15 voting rounds.
Is he going to have to promise the same exit clause, as McCarthy?
By phart at 17,Oct,23 21:12 other posts of phart 
I am tired of their bickering. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and fighting amongst themselves aint fixing it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Oct,23 14:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Maybe pick some better representatives then.

Jim Jordan defended a groomer, a ped0phile who sexually abused "at least 177 male student-patients" for two decades.

"He protected a ped0phile and called a child r@pe victim a liar. The GOP now wants him to lead."
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By phart at 16,Oct,23 17:51 other posts of phart 
Hey your liberal hero DA in new york is slowly loosing some ground.All loans were paid in full,
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retired bank official, Nicholas Haigh of Deutsche Bank Testified in COURT!,

Trump was worth $4.3 billion at the time.

Deutsche Bank decreased his worth to $2.5 billion.

If Trump “committed years of fraud,” then someone must have been defrauded.

There would have to have been “victims.”

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Oct,23 10:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Cenk Uygur is running for president, against Joe Biden.

Cenk Responds To Viewer Questions About His Presidential Run
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Before you say he's not a 'Natural-born-citizen';
Article IX, section 1 of Hamilton's draft constitution provided: "No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
'he be now a Citizen of one of the States', the 'or..' is not a requirement.

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It's possible that Cenk is running just for the legal fight, to get a clear verdict on this.
If he wins, that provides other naturalized citizens to run, if he looses that provides clear precedent, which is good too.

And of course he's bringing the fight to Trump, because Biden isn't doing that at all.
By phart at 12,Oct,23 13:39 other posts of phart 
Well I gues that explains how we got stuck with obummer
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Oct,23 18:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Obama proved he was born in Honolulu, Hawaп, which is the US.
That makes him a Natural-born-citizen, according the whole article.
You really believe all the stupid shit the narcissist buffoon tells you?
By phart at 12,Oct,23 21:35 other posts of phart 
Well,there is questions about how long it took for the "proof" to come to the surface. Think about it,if you had to show proof of where you were born,you could get the paper work rather quickly couldn't you? How long did it take to get a strange looking certificate with the wrong hospital name on it that didn't apply to the building until after his birth??
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Oct,23 12:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why did he take so long? Because Obama has the self-respect
to not let a pathetically racist attack like that bother him.
Trump was humiliating himself and if you don't understand that,
I see why you still defend the racist shit for brains.

By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Oct,23 18:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
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By tecsan at 30,Sep,23 05:33 other posts of tecsan 
FetterBum sure looked shocking in his suit. What a difference in his appearance. I really wish him well with his endeavors if he can stay within the norm of society.
By phart at 30,Sep,23 14:17 other posts of phart 
Yes, he is no longer a distraction. Dressed properly.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,23 09:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That big black suit looked ridiculous on him.
It remains the law to be formally dressed, so he should.
But, he wore a much better suit for his Senate Swearing-In.

The distraction he created was useful, in my opinion.
The whole country knows him now. And he got all the Republicans
and right-wing media to show that they are elitists pricks, who only
care about appearance and not about substance.

It would have been just a distraction, if he had continued.
People need to hear his words, not just see his clothes.
By dgraff at 01,Oct,23 10:42 other posts of dgraff 
You could dress him as bozo the clown 🤡 for all i care and he’s still going to be nothing but a street thug a gang member with medical problems created by all the drugs he uses or used he certainly doesn’t belong in a position of power
But in all honesty I think he would look cute in a pink chiffon evening gown with size 12 pumps on his feet
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By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Oct,23 09:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
OK, at least your hatred for normal people is clothes independent.
That's something I guess.

Him wearing a cute pink chiffon evening gown with size 12 pumps, to the Senate,
wouldn't be half as disrespectful as the daily job most Republicans are doing.

I agree, would be fun.

By phart at 01,Oct,23 15:01 other posts of phart 
You seem to think it is ok to disrespect the job? Why?
People have dressed properly for their jobs for decades without problems. And in this case, it shows respect for the voters that put him in there.
There is some substance to fetterman but he has brain damage now ,he should not be in a high power position. BUT if he is going to occupy the seat, he should dress for the job. And besides, people worth ALOT more money than any of us, wear suits everyday as status symbols and because again,it shows respect to the people that put them where they are.
So if billionaires can wear suits,that tells me suits can be made to be comfortable.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Oct,23 09:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The idea that any clothes can be more disrespectful to the job of a representative, than what almost every Republican and way to much Democrats are already doing, tells me that you have completely bought in to appearance over substance.
They are flipping you off, every single day, by only caring about themselves
and their donors (which is the same as caring about themselves).
Not even them all wearing a black leather thongs and a 12 inch strapons to work shows anything close to the disrespect they have for the job.

"people worth ALOT more money than any of us, wear suits everyday as status symbols and because again,it shows respect to the people that put them where they are." No! It doesn't! It makes people like YOU respect THEM!

The biggest crooks wear the nicest suits. It's time you learn that.

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I love a man in a suit. Too bad I rarely see that. President Trump always wears a suit and tie and looks presentable.
By phart at 01,Oct,23 19:58 other posts of phart 
Yea, Trump even wore his suit while he was still able to legaly drive his Rolls royce. Kinda sucks now, owning a Rolls and can't drive it? You know Presidents are not allowed to drive thanks in part to Kennedy.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Oct,23 09:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The biggest difference is that a good suit fits well.
For a really good fit, $1000 is not enough.
Especially a guy like Fetterman would need a tailor to get a good fit.
And the quality of the material. A good weave is expensive.

I don't like a dress code in politics, because it divides people.
The job of representative shouldn't just be just for rich people,
but your country makes it more and more difficult for normal people.
Hell, your side even scolds people as being 'bums' and 'whores',
if they are not the sons or daughters of wealthy people.
They need to wear their money on their sleeve, to get your respect.
They need to constantly kick down to common people, to get your respect.

You think it's because they have money, they must be smart.
In 99% of cases, that's nonsense, they just won the birth lottery.
It doesn't make a difference to you; having money earns your respect.

Your desire for an ARISTOCRACY is so against your CONSTITUTION.
By phart at 02,Oct,23 14:35 other posts of phart 
fetterman in his hoodies looks like a gangster-bum. who wants a bum representing them?
At least in a suit he LOOKS respectable.
He is not a distraction.
By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Oct,23 16:29 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'looks like' is not the same as 'is'.
He showed himself to care about people.
That is why people wanted him to represent them.
Dr. Oz LOOKED respectable, but is a snake-oil salesman
who people didn't trust.
Some people value character over clothes.
By phart at 02,Oct,23 18:02 other posts of phart 
You are failing to remember that a ultra liberal put Dr Oz in the spot light years ago.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Oct,23 15:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So what? That was before he chose money over integrity.

By phart at 02,Oct,23 22:56 other posts of phart 
HEY I found fetterman a suit!
Actually a bunch of them!
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Fit's his persona perfectly, the gangster look and feel but still, a clean suit that can be tailored to fit!

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By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Oct,23 15:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He's not the one facing 91 indictments and RICO charges.

[What is RICO?
The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
It was a groundbreaking piece of legislation passed in the United States in 1970 with the goal of financially crippling the Mafia.]

By tecsan at 12,Oct,23 04:42 other posts of tecsan 
Yeah, we know you love distractions Ananas2xLekker. That pretty much sums up your beliefs. Remember you love taking advantage of capitalism.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Oct,23 10:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What sums up my beliefs? Distractions? That's 100% projection again.
Republicans do nothing but distraction. They don't like to govern.
They just fail and fail and fail and blame the Democrats for everything.

I live under a capitalist system, there is nothing I can do to escape it.
As a humanist, I value the right to a good life for everyone, including me.
So I damn well participate in the only system that is available to me.

I'm not making cigarettes or selling unhealthy food, I'm participating in providing medicine to people who need it. That sector, we call 'Big Pharma', is unfortunately abusing their private ownership a lot, to enrich it's owners and upper management,
at the detriment of patients, a reality that I wholeheartedly support to change. Meanwhile, people still require pharmaceutical products. It's up to your voting to lower the prices of those pharmaceutical products. I'm already voting for that.

Meanwhile I also participate to make society more fair, by supporting
the Socialist Party in the constant democratic battle for socialist values.

So have you called your government to refuse their socialist services from the publicly owned infrastructure, the police, the fire department, the military and the post office?
You love taking advantage of socialism, don't you?

By Ananas2xLekker at 02,Oct,23 08:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Will Trump show up for deposition, to provide evidence against Michael Cohen,
for HIS OWN $500 million defamation lawsuit against Michael Cohen?

If Trump doesn't show up, the defamation lawsuit will mostly be dismissed 'with prejudice' by the judge. That's not just bye bye $500 million, but it will make it ease for Michael Cohen to countersue Trump, possibly for even more money. Michael Cohen can actually present a good case for damages. He went to prison for Trump.

Here is Michael Cohen talking about it:
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By tecsan at 03,Oct,23 06:24 other posts of tecsan 
Key words 'with prejudice'. Surprised you know what that means or do you?
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Oct,23 15:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It means 'permanently'. Bye bye lawsuit, with no possibility to start another.
Except for Michael Cohen. It would be easy to countersue Trump.
And since a judge already ruled that Michael Cohen was right about Trump's financial fraud, easy to win too.

But, were not there yet. It's going to be fun to see Trump loose again
and see Michael Cohen be incredible smug and hateful about it. He's very good at it.

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If Republicans Said the Quiet Parts Loud to Workers
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Some StarTrek parts that will warm your capitalist heart.

Quark's Right Wing Tirade
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By tecsan at 21,Sep,23 05:09 other posts of tecsan 
My attention span for crap is not very long. Just hollywood making fun or conservatives, damn if they were not right. Find a socialist country a please go there and enjoy your eutopia.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,23 09:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Now my country isn't socialist enough for you?

Yeah, I agree, but I'm trying my damned best here.
If I give up, I can move to Norway, Finland, Sweden or Denmark.

It's a bit cold there during the winters now, but climate change will solve that in a few years. Another decade later, I can move to Iceland. An island is a good idea. It's a bit harder to reach for all the refugees from hotter climates fleeing deathly heat and drought. I wouldn't call it Utopia though, more the 'last refuge' for humanity to survive.
By tecsan at 22,Sep,23 08:56 other posts of tecsan 
Trying to be funny now. You damn well know climate change is not that bad.
By CAT at 22,Sep,23 12:38 other posts of CAT 
Tell it to all the people that passed from the heat this last summer or the people that passed during these super storms around the world.
By phart at 22,Sep,23 19:07 other posts of phart 
Explain why obama bought a high dollar beach front estate if the ocean is going to swallow it up?
By CAT at 23,Sep,23 22:14 other posts of CAT 
He likes it, and, what makes you think it will disappear any time soon?
By phart at 24,Sep,23 02:17 other posts of phart 
Because according to the climate change pushers the ocean is rising! I thought you believed in that stuff?
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No you have candy all wrong she believes in what ever is convenient at the moment she has no real beliefs
By CAT at 25,Sep,23 13:12 other posts of CAT 
At least I'm sweet as Candy. 🤣😈

By CAT at 24,Sep,23 14:12 other posts of CAT 
It’s happening FASTER, not tomorrow.
By phart at 24,Sep,23 14:40 other posts of phart 
Ok obama called up Nostradamus to get a time table on when this was going to happen? And apparently leaving it to his daughters is not a priority either? Of course, it may be haunted now that the chef was found murdered,uh ,drowned according to the media ,with fingers cut off and files missing from his computer. When you think of writing a tell all book about a clinton or a obama,you better HIDE
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By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,23 09:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ocean rising is only a problem now, for countries like mine,
because strengthening all the sea barriers takes many decades
and costs many billions of dollars/euros.
Obama doesn't have to worry about that house getting swallowed by the ocean
for decades. And he doesn't have to worry at all, because he's rich!

The location of that house is however very much in the NORTH of your country,
where it is nice and cool in the summer. He can afford that luxury.

You keep recycling the same tired arguments, after they failed.
Do you think they work better the second, fifth or tenth time?
They can be demolished by the same arguments, every time.
Try to find arguments that cannot be demolished.

By Ananas2xLekker at 25,Sep,23 19:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Depends where you live. In about 30 years, Texas will be as hot as parts of Africa and the Middle-East are now. That will mean that there will be 48 days of temperatures over 97 °F and some days with temperatures up to and over 125 °F each year.

That's why so many people want to leave from Africa and the Middle-East. In 30 years, those parts of the world will be unfit for survival. the same will happen in South America. If you think you are having an immigration problem now; you ain't seen nothing yet.
By phart at 26,Sep,23 03:52 other posts of phart 
San antonio and Orlando are already along the same distance from the equator as libya and egypt.
So it is logical as the earth spins,those areas get the same sun.
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So, did San Antonio and Orlando move closer to the equator the last 100 years?

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By phart at 26,Sep,23 13:16 other posts of phart 
NO, just a few more rockets launched from florida than africa, alot more.
I checked the map before I posted that,
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,23 08:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eh, do you think rocket launches increase the temperature locally?
That CO2 isn't sticking around for long. It spreads out in days.
They can cause local pollution, but not local climate change.

By tecsan at 29,Sep,23 09:10 other posts of tecsan 
Do not worry. I am sure your country will take all that we cannot handle. Well that is if all believe as you do.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Sep,23 12:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We will take all that we can handle, you will not.
When it happens, believing or not is not an option.
By tecsan at 30,Sep,23 05:16 other posts of tecsan 
You are fucking right there again. We are taking MORE than we can handle and have been for some time now.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Oct,23 09:51 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eh, yes, and it has killed many people.
You could be among the next group of victims, you know.
I'm sure there are many climate change deniers, among the dead.
By phart at 01,Oct,23 20:03 other posts of phart 
Alot of wuhan "vaccine" recipients among the dead to, same government pushed the shots that is pushing climate change. Goes back to what i hae always said,credibilty.
We Americans got snowed in the 70's with global cooling, later the aids scare, the y2k and yadda yadda, and now the current fear mongering is climate change.What will it be next? Oceans drying up I bet.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 09:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Taylor Swift Attacked by Republicans After She Registered Thousands of Fans to Vote
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Have fun scolding the wokest gay YouTuber I follow.
But, if you want to appear serious, try to crush his ARGUMENTS.
By phart at 27,Sep,23 12:12 other posts of phart 
28% of her songs are written about being dumped by men,
0% are written about bringing a man a sandwich or a beer while he watches tv.
31% are hate songs,
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So uh she is a good example of what exactly?
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 14:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And that's why you don't like her encouraging her fans to register to vote?

I would have no problem with Ted Nugent doing the same.
And I do believe I communicated how much I don't like him.
By phart at 27,Sep,23 14:20 other posts of phart 
Never said I didn't like her asking people to vote.
I must admit, I would think Teds folks would vote conservitive and taylors folks would vote liberal because they are lazyer.
By Ananas2xLekker at 27,Sep,23 14:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Taylors folks would vote liberal because they are younger
and they understand that the old folks are burning their bridges.

But the funny thing is that you are doing the exact same thing
as all the other conservatives did, when they heard what she's doing;
they attacked her songs, her personality and her skills.

Strange! She's not your generation, so it's understandable you don't like her.
Why do you all feel the need to communicate that, when you hear this news?
By phart at 27,Sep,23 14:59 other posts of phart 
goes back to creditability I guess. to young to know much about life.yea people consider her a role model. Backwards.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Sep,23 21:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
People pick all sorts of role models, but I don't understand either why that would be someone who can sing and dance well. I would prefer someone with knowledge and wisdom, but age doesn't guarantee wisdom at all. There are lots of incredibly stupid older people.

There is someone who thinks Taylor Swift is very smart:
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By tecsan at 23,Aug,23 02:48 other posts of tecsan 
Why is there so much controversy over this song? Come on liberals you made it popular as hell.

Here it is with the lyrics below.

Rich Men North Of Richmond ~ Oliver Anthony

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I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day
Overtime hours for bullshit pay
So I can sit out here and waste my life away
Drag back home and drown my troubles away

It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to
For people like me and people like you
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true
But it is, oh, it is

Livin' in the new world
With an old soul
These rich men north of Richmond
Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
And they don't think you know, but I know that you do
'Cause your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end
'Cause of rich men north of Richmond

I wish politicians would look out for miners
And not just minors on an island somewhere
Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothin' to eat
And the obese milkin' welfare

Well, God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds
Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds
Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground
'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down

Lord, it's a damn shame what the world's gotten to
For people like me and people like you
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true
But it is, oh, it is

Livin' in the new world
With an old soul
These rich men north of Richmond
Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
And they don't think you know, but I know that you do
'Cause your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end
'Cause of rich men north of Richmond

I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day
Overtime hours for bullshit pay
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 11:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're right, liberals did not react well to this song.
But why did the right-wing grifters pushed this song so much?
They don't give a fuck about poor people. They love kickin' them down.

Liberals and lefties made a mistake, by attacking the right on praising this song.
They should have first embraced the message about the working class struggle,
which this song is about and only then talk about the more problematic parts of it.

Here is that crazy lefty again, who you all like to dump on, just for his appearance
and not his message. He points out how liberals and lefties missed an opportunity:
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However, I shall point out those problematic parts of this song:

"Rich Men North Of Richmond" is a reference to the American Civil War. Richmond was one of the capitals of the confederate states of America. Blaming the North for the abject poverty of the South is a very old victim complex, that might have been correct in the past, but is certainly nonsense now. It's fully self inflicted.

"These rich men north of Richmond. Lord knows they all just wanna have total control" Why keep bringing the North into it? No one gives away total control to the rich like the red south does.

"Cause your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end. Cause of rich men north of Richmond" Inflation? Blame Trump, blame Putin, blame rich men, but again, why keep bringing the North into it? No one gives away total control to the rich like the red south does.
Taxes? Sure, blame Trump for tax-cuts for the wealthy, so you poor people need to pick up the tab.

"the obese milkin' welfare" obesity is mostly a poor people problem. 70% of food stamp recipients are working their asses off, just like 'you'. Cheap food is all unhealthy factory shit. Blaming obese people or welfare recipients, for your poverty is you buying in to stupid right-wing propaganda. Blame the actual problem: rich people and leave out the 'north of Richmond' part.

"Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds"
They don't, that's also you buying in to stupid right-wing propaganda. Blame the actual problem: rich people and leave out the 'north of Richmond' part.

"Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground, 'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down" Indeed! how about raising the minimum wage and stop putting young people in debt for life, if they just want an education. No group is kickin' down young people more, than Republican voters, telling them that they are lazy, no good for nothing, stupid woke kids, who don't respect their elders and the fucking country and they should just shut up and work for the rich men .... In the mean time those Republican voters are destroying their future, by denying climate change, polluting water and the air, making education unaffordable and destroying any chance of getting a well paying job, to repay their tons of student debt.

"Lord, it's a damn shame what the world's gotten to
For people like me and people like you
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true"
Indeed, wake up and stop voting for Republicans, who just see you as cheap labor for their billionaire donors.
By phart at 23,Aug,23 13:49 other posts of phart 
Shows how little you know of southern history'

plural noun: carpet-baggers

a political candidate who seeks election in an area where they have no local connections.
(in the US) a person from the northern states who went to the South after the Civil War to profit from the Reconstruction.
a person perceived as an unscrupulous opportunist.
"the organization is rife with carpetbaggers"

I think it was Ronald Reagon that said the words most hated were "We are from the government and we are here to help you".
Ye right. Had the north really gave a damn about the south they would not have burned it to the ground. The north wanted the entire SOUTH to be it's slave and to this day, purty much is if you really closely examine the way the southern people are hated and taken advantage of.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 14:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That term carpet-bagger is not even in the song.
But, OK, explain what history I'm missing then.

Explain in what way southern people are 'taken advantage of'.
Do you need to go back 100 years, or more? You are saying that black people shouldn't complain about their history anymore, right? Why then can the South?

The southerners might be hated, but then the are hated BACK, because, damn
does that southern hate for northerners run deep. I can feel that from 4000 miles away.
By phart at 23,Aug,23 18:12 other posts of phart 
Carpet baggers are the 1's that came down here to a war torn country that their own people tore up, claiming to want to help. They only wanted to finish stealing and destroying the south.
Ok for example, a apple orchard here in the NC mountains. gets a crop of apples, the company that buys their apples, ships all the good 1's to New york and other northern states, leaving us the "seconds", Don't believe me, go talk to the growers yourself.

Where do alot of black people live,in the south, who uses the black people for their votes then turns their backs on them, the northern democrats. '

And where do you get this crock of shit from?
""Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds"
They don't,"
Just where the hell does the money for welfare and food stamps come from if it is not from taxes?????????
OUT of a hat? Out of bidens ass? NO, from TAXES!
The government is only able to give what it has taken
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 08:24 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you think they are providing food stamps for bags of fudge rounds?
He's just indoctrinated to think taxes are just keeping people lazy and fat.
Welfare is one thing; a compensation for people who are exploited by employers,
so they can make more profits. Your tax-dollars are not going to fat lazy people,
they are going into the pockets of the rich. (or at least 95% of them)

Why do you think he starts the song with the following?:
"I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day"
"Overtime hours for bullshit pay"

By tecsan at 25,Aug,23 03:44 other posts of tecsan 
Let me get this straight, you suggest we vote for joey who has been influence pedaling for years and now is running interference for his son to save his own sorry ass. He is absolutely the worst excuse for a human being ever. That fire is getting hot.

"Come on man" gun charges and tax evasion to mention two. Really trying to hide it from a judge, how damn ignorant can these libs be? Feel free to answer that. Ananas2xLekker
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 13:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those gun charges against Hunter have NEVER been used against anyone else before, other than added on to other crimes like armed robbery. So that's bullshit.
If they get him for tax evasion, fine by me. Actually, I'm bothered about the prosecution making this a case where Hunter could get one of his charges dropped for the other.
If he's actually corrupt, I want Hunter to go down for corruption, not some stupid gun charge.

But, that's still the SON of the president. You have voted for a candidate that was implicated in crimes HIMSELF. He recently has been found liable for r@pe and now he's facing uncountable indictments. The evidence for all of the crimes he is indicted for is overwhelming. Isn't he trying to hide it from a judge? He's also delaying, obstructing and threatening witnesses and everyone else associated with these court cases, even the jury. At this point, I cannot say you are being ignorant, because you are aware of all of it.

By phart at 29,Aug,23 13:01 other posts of phart 
Well, you can point fingers and talk "shit" about the mans music, but have you ever had a chance to turn down a 8 million dollar recording contract?
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If a record company see's that much potential, I think the mans message must have merit with a large % of the population.
I can understand he resisting the contract but not turning it down, I would have negotiated a cheaper price BUT with the understanding i would be singing some of my own music.
When a company pays you 8 million, they will expect you to sing their songs and convey their message.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 13:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The claim that he turned down that money, made me reconsider that he's a right-wing grifter and now I'm just thinking he's very confused about politics, like most Americans.

Still, his music isn't that special. He just wrote a very political song, which was seen by right-wingers as an opportunity to make belief that their billionaire funded propaganda against taxes and welfare is good for the working class, and they would love to give him millions to continue doing that.

He starts by saying that he's bothered that people wrap politics up into this. That's being oblivious to reality. If you write an undeniably political song, with very mixed messages in it, in a very politically divided country, you are bound to raise attention.

Now that Oliver Anthony has spoken out against those Republicans elites, standing on the debate stage, talking about his song, to clarify that his song was more about them and less about Biden, he's not so popular with right-wingers anymore.
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"That song has nothing to do with Joe Biden..."
"...That song was written about the people on that stage."

I guess you didn't hear about that.
By phart at 29,Aug,23 14:22 other posts of phart 
I posted links to the video of him saying it the other day.
Hasn't changed my feelings on the topic.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 14:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He still considers himself apolitical. If he didn't intend his song to be political, than he is rather confused, but if he intended to write a song that would stir up as much political attention as possible, he's an absolute genius. The whole world is talking about him.

The funny thing is that the first time I heard about him was one of my socialist party contacts sending a link to me, thinking it was a leftist working class protest song.
I discussed my concern about the mixed messaging in that song, way before anyone in this forum mentioned it.
By phart at 29,Aug,23 15:39 other posts of phart 
I still can't believe you think public tax dollars aren't paying to keep fat people fat.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 15:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Most of your tax-dollars are paying to make the rich richer.
Only some tax-dollars are paying to feed poor people.
They get fat and sick, because cheap food is unhealthy.
By phart at 29,Aug,23 16:17 other posts of phart 
No they get fat because they keep STUFFING IT into themselves with no accountability .
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 19:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Most poor people are working like slaves, for almost nothing.
But they tell you they are fat and lazy, so they can cut the last bit of help people need to survive. That will make people even more desperate, so the rich can lower wages even more. China is becoming too expensive, so they will move the sweatshops to the US. 'Made in the USA', but by Americans who are dirt poor.

They way you are talking about poor people, other Republicans are talking about you. Maybe you're not fat, but to everyone who has your ideas, you are expendable. Everything that you rely on to live, should be eliminated in their opinion. Maybe you think you are not getting any help from the government, but wait until Republicans are in power again. They will lower taxes for the wealthy even more and make up the difference by taxing you more and cut expenses on you more.

If you really get no help from the government, that's a fucking disgrace,
because your situation is not your fault. You should have an income
and free healthcare, payed for by taxing the rich.
By phart at 30,Aug,23 15:57 other posts of phart 
I have a meeger income from my employer,cut by what social security would have paid,for another 16 months, and 70=30 insurance that don't cover nothing like it used to, we lost our good insurance thanks to obama.Thankfully in jan of 2025 things will be getting much better for me.
I did nothing to deserve the "rich" paying my way. I worked for a employer, the agreement was I got insurance the rest of my life and there was a retirement. I did my job until I couldn't then again, that's when obama screwed things up and changed social security, taking away the back pay and making it more difficult for back injury to be used to get disability. This info from my lawyer that stood to make alot of money had obama not screwed it up. This not just my blathering as you might call it. BUT at the same time ,made being morbidly obese a disability. A real head scratcher, A stomach staple and a diet plan can fix that, only our Creator can fix my issues.
Sad thing I have had to cope with, august 2d, I coulda got my "gold watch" and retired with a full 30 years service. and had my plans worked ,I would be in a Kenworth right now hauling freight on the interstate, not because I would have to but because I would have fulfilled a life long dream of being a over the road trucker. My 30 years would have made sure I had insurance, and a steady check and the truck would have put me all over the USA to see the sights.
By CAT at 30,Aug,23 16:56 other posts of CAT 
I’ve never heard of a company providing health insurance for life. ObamaCare was designed to provide insurance to people that did not have access to employer provided insurance. Everyone I know that is from my generation has experienced NO HEALTH INSURANCE in between jobs. For everyone that is unfortunate like you (your lawyer must have been a dud) there are hundreds, if not MILLIONS, who are very happy they have insurance without dependence on employment. Even when the Republicans had the advantage in Congress, they were not able to repeal ObamaCare. Doesn’t that tell you something?
By phart at 31,Aug,23 01:17 other posts of phart 
Well, you aint been out much have you?
Duke energy has supplied my father with medical insurance, eye, and dental since 1959.
I will have basic medical until I die.
All depends on where you worked until recently as to your coverage.
Both Duke and my employer have DROPPED medical insurance for retiree's since ocare came along. It simply cost to much.
By CAT at 31,Aug,23 11:14 other posts of CAT 
My mistake, but, ObamaCare has been around for many years. Your father was lucky to work for such a company,however, what would have happened if he had been laid off before retirement? Also, did every employee in the country have the same deal?
By phart at 02,Sep,23 23:33 other posts of phart 
I don't know the answer to that as far as layoff. I would think back in the day most people had the chance to get jobs with good large companies that offered benifits.
They chose to job hop for a nickel a hour raise and so on and not build up any seniority and that left them with out a retirement plan.He had a job offer Southern Bell telephone or the company he chose,both had the good benifits package,but the company he went with had similar trucks to what he serviced in the army and he enjoyed it,.

By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Aug,23 17:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"we lost our good insurance thanks to obama"
Explain and support that statement please.

You worked and got injured on the job. That's why the government
and the rich owes you. It's called the social contract.
By phart at 30,Aug,23 17:52 other posts of phart 
I would have to go way back and find a paper with my benifits listed but the changes that I can say 100% is higher co pays, higher out of pocket cost, and instead of 80-20 it is now 70-30
This is not from my employer but is similar to the situations
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as for what they cover over a certian amount.A accident with a angle grinder last year cost me over 3000 dollars out of pocket AFTER insurance.
2016 , I thought I was having a heart attack, after it was all said and done,my part of the bill was somewhere around 5k.
I took my tax records showing income and etc and sat down at this big desk with the hospital administrator. She looked things over and her words were ,best as I can quote, if you didn't have this insurance we could write off this entire bill.
She went on to reduce the bill as much as possible within hospital rules and it was down to about 3000,which a family member after about 6 months of watching me struggle with monthly payments, gave me the money to pay it off.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 08:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Let me first say that this health insurance plan completely sucks.
Even what we have now is 100x better than that. It has become a lot more expensive since 2009, with higher co-pays and less coverage, but it's still way better.
In 2023, I pay $158,72 per month, including $10 for an extra package that covers more physical therapy and my chiropractor, which covers for $150/year and then saves me $30/year.
Our national co-pay is a maximum of $417.77. All emergencies are fully paid for by the insurance. All elective procedures are partially paid for by the patient, up to that maximum of $417.77 per year.
Some medication is not covered by the insurances, but it's tax-deductible, if it's over a limit, depending on income.

Obama care does have some advantages over the previous health insurances, that you are not mentioning. It did away with pre-existing condition exclusions, which the insurances used to fuck over many people.

Obama care isn't the publicly funded healthcare that progressives wanted, what the UK has and what my country had, before the government privatized our public system. It is still a big give-away to corporations. And they had all the incentives to screw their customers, to show you how bad Democrats are, as a revenge for Democrats trying to rein them in from screwing the public a bit. Then Trump came and said he would make healthcare better and cheaper. He had 4 years to do something, but only made it worse.

Your private health insurance system is the #1 most expensive health insurance system in the world, and always has been. Since our public system was privatized, the price shot up so fast that ours is now the #2 most expensive health insurance system in the world. However, in many rating systems, we have the #1 best healthcare and the US is mostly not even in the top 10.
The only people who profit from your health insurance system are the owners and shareholders of insurance companies, pharma companies and wealthy people who can pay for the best healthcare, when they need it. Everyone else has to ration their healthcare usage, has to settle for sub-standard healthcare and in case of an emergency has a risk of medical bankruptcy.

The cheapest healthcare systems in the world, that also provide decent healthcare for most citizens are ALL public healthcare systems.
By tecsan at 02,Sep,23 05:07 other posts of tecsan 
One question. I read your first line Ananas2xLekker and why in the hell should anyone in the USA listen to a foreigner want to be North American.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 09:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Because you really need some other perspectives than you get from
your echo chamber, to understand how much you are screwed.

By tecsan at 03,Sep,23 08:52 other posts of tecsan 
What the heck are you talking about, you are from another country. Doubt your system works the same as here and thankfully it does not. I do not understand how you think you can argue with people that live here. I am sure the benefits in The Netherlands are different, but probably a similar knockoff of what we have here. Probably learned from our mistakes seeing how our democracy has been around longer.

Ananas2xLekker, I sure wish we could send your bleeding heart some of our illegals. Yes we let it happen but not because of my vote. I would never vote for a libtard that supports this crap. You know I am right. Under Trump we had a secure border. Hell, Obummer had a more secure border. You are a hypocrite like I said.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 09:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"Doubt your system works the same as here and thankfully it does not"
WHY, do you keep thinking your system is preferably?
That system does nothing for you.

You are right that your democracy is older. Maybe be have learned from your mistakes, but you had more time to perfect democracy. But, it's funny you talk about democracy at all, because you made clear that you don't care about the constitution and you only use it as a talking point when it suits you. The Trump cult now shows that they want democracy completely destroyed, because of the failed coup of their dear leader. It is destroying your own party. Even the mummy of Biden could win at this point.

Immigration is just one talking point they use to have you vote against your own best interests, just like CRT and transgenders. Immigration is a problem, but you understand that your country is dependent on illegal workers and you have no solutions for it, other than closing the border. Ron DeSantis showed in Florida what happens then. The real solution is allowing LEGAL migrant workers and stopping the exploitation of desperate people.
Biden is doing a better job at that then Trump could even imagine.
My country is doing better than your country, to do it how I propose.
Your country has an illegal employment problem, we don't have that.

Whatever problems we do have with immigration is caused by our right-wing party cutting immigration services. Now they have no staff enough to judge the applications of immigrants who have no refugee status and should be sent back to their countries ASAP. Because of those cuts and the housing shortage that the right-wing party has caused, we do not enough temporary housing for the real refugees, from Ukraine. They are welcome here, to live and work LEGALLY, until they can return to their own country, to build it back up.

You can say whatever you want, but you have not provided any arguments,
for why am supposedly a hypocrite.

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 10:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Biden Prepares To Extend Overtime Pay To Millions Of Workers
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Maybe Biden got inspired by the first two lines of the song:
I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day
Overtime hours for bullshit pay
By phart at 02,Sep,23 23:35 other posts of phart 
Companys will just do more of what they have been doing to get around this, hire part timers. cheaper and more profitable.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 08:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's what the unions are for.
Biden is doing a lot to help unions too.

So, what is your solution?

By tecsan at 03,Sep,23 08:54 other posts of tecsan 
Biden is only preparing to get his next ice cream cone and get his diaper changed. Tell me who is his puppet master.
By dgraff at 03,Sep,23 10:46 other posts of dgraff 
Obama that who

By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 08:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are of course a lot of Democrats working to do what Biden promised.
If Biden is just the mascot for this pro-worker legislation, that's fine too.
The democrats can have a potted plant as a president and still be better.
"Here is president Fern McLeafy. He will raise your minimum wage!"

Still a lot better than Trump, who said he was pro-worker but didn't do anything
but give tax-cuts to the rich, that didn't trickle down. Because that is a scam!

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By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,23 14:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Fed Up Suburban Women DESTROY Boebert and GOP in MUST SEE Takedown
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By phart at 21,Sep,23 18:29 other posts of phart 
Just a trio of angry women, nothing to see and hear there but more rhetoric.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,23 18:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yeah, I know, I just showed you Americans who have an opinion.
Which is nothing less than what you usually bring to the table,
but when you agree with them, their words are gospel to you.

By the way, why do you call them angry? They sounded completely calm.
By phart at 22,Sep,23 01:46 other posts of phart 
Read between the lines, they are fuming mad.
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Sep,23 07:52 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And do you think they have a reason to?

Lauren Boebert's main thing in politics is saying people should respect Christian morality (whatever that is) and support 'family values'. Then she shows clearly she doesn't have any 'Christian morality' or 'family values'. Voters who hold up high that 'Christian morality' and 'family values' are not happy about that.

You have supported 'Christian morality' often, if I understand correctly.
As far as I understand Republican 'family values', you seem to support those too.
So, don't you care about Lauren Boebert showing that she just uses those values
as political points, but doesn't give a crap about them?

I would expect you to be fuming mad. I would, if one of my representatives shows themselves to be a massive hypocrite.
By phart at 26,Sep,23 13:50 other posts of phart 
I haven't kept up with the boebert thing,looks to me like she was acting like a teenager playing grab ass.
There are extremist in the conservative movement ,and her and Marjorie"spelling" are 2 of them
By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Sep,23 15:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're damn right they are extremists, but they are also fakes.
It's a damn shame that people vote for people like that.

Mike Pence is also a lunatic Christian conservative extremist,
but at least he's a real one and not a fake hypocrite.
You know where you stand with a real one. Only the devil knows
what you can expect of fake ones like Boebert and Greene.

After secular humanism, I think Christian morality is at least something.
At least Mike Pence shows some aversion to lying and some morality, sometimes.
Boebert and Greene have no morality. They only have their own self interests.

By tecsan at 27,Sep,23 01:24 other posts of tecsan 
Really, if Boebert wants to play around during a movie, who the fuck really cares. That is here business. I am sure you are guilty of about the same Ananas2xLekker .
By phart at 27,Sep,23 01:29 other posts of phart 
but ananas aint a politician, is it ok for a non politician to grope someone else? I thought that was only for politicians so they could set them selves up for black mail later on.

By tecsan at 22,Sep,23 08:58 other posts of tecsan 
Yeah, but we bring the money, knowledge and balls to the table. Unlike most.
By CAT at 22,Sep,23 12:35 other posts of CAT 
Just the money and balls. Knowledge is sadly lacking from that equation and, the “balls” part is questionable. 🤣😈
By phart at 22,Sep,23 19:08 other posts of phart 
Regardless if you hate us or not, until synthetic sperm comes along, that works, you will still need us to continue the species.
By tecsan at 23,Sep,23 05:13 other posts of tecsan 

By CAT at 23,Sep,23 22:19 other posts of CAT 
Not yours. Liberal sperm is very welcome.

By tecsan at 26,Sep,23 04:56 other posts of tecsan 
Has anyone ever seen a calm lib when their feathers get a little ruffled?

By dgraff at 23,Sep,23 22:35 other posts of dgraff 
Another group of old hags with nothing better to do than make others miserable just like the MADD group bunch of old hags
By phart at 24,Sep,23 02:15 other posts of phart 
So I am assuming you are a member of DAMM, Drunks against mad mothers?
By dgraff at 24,Sep,23 08:48 other posts of dgraff 
Good idea I will launch that movement Monday morning
It’s got to be better than BLM ✊🏿
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By Ananas2xLekker at 26,Sep,23 09:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Jordan Klepper talks to Republicans and Democrats about civil war.

"Jordan Klepper Finds Out if Democracy is Done For | The Daily Show."
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Whatever you say, it's funny!

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 07:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If Trump’s trial is going to be televised or streamed, are you going to watch?
By tecsan at 01,Sep,23 08:06 other posts of tecsan 
Boring, maybe pieces here and there Ananas2xLekker. That kind of crap is usually boring as hell especially with libtards leading the charge. Be fun to see how the libtards expose more of their own corruption though. Probably be like that idiotic Jan six hearing that libtard hollywood helped produce.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Sep,23 09:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't believe that's your reason. You just don't want to see all the evidence.
By tecsan at 16,Sep,23 06:37 other posts of tecsan 
Honestly, there is no evidence. All they have is what I have seen already televised which is just libtard BS. I bet you think shitty diaper joey is always telling the truth even when he is lying. (Sorry forgot, dont know if it identifies as a 'he').
By CAT at 16,Sep,23 12:07 other posts of CAT 
Ostriches do that. Hide from the truth.
By tecsan at 17,Sep,23 05:57 other posts of tecsan 
Can anyone here really tell me that they believe joey is has a normal cognitive state?
By CAT at 17,Sep,23 14:09 other posts of CAT 
Can anyone dispute it? Can you? Come on, give us the "Carfax"
By tecsan at 18,Sep,23 07:56 other posts of tecsan 
The proof is before your eyes, wake up and pay attention and you will see. What a thought, 'OPEN YOUR EYES'.
By CAT at 18,Sep,23 22:27 other posts of CAT 
The only thing I see is an old man with old man manerisms. His mind, however, is as sharp as ever.
By tecsan at 20,Sep,23 08:04 other posts of tecsan 
He is still racist as hell, I will not look for you, but I am sure you can find comments pointing in that direction.

By CAT at 17,Sep,23 17:05 other posts of CAT 
Trump Warns That ‘Cognitively Impaired’ Biden Will ‘Lead Us Into World War 2’ in Confused Speech (Video)

By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Sep,23 10:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You see now evidence for Trump's crimes,
but you do see evidence of Biden's reduced cognitive state.

Even if the last thing were true, it is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
It shows something is wrong with YOUR cognitive state.
By tecsan at 19,Sep,23 07:50 other posts of tecsan 
Tell that to millions of people here that see the same as I.
By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Sep,23 16:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yeah, I know about 30% of Americans are in a cult. It's very sad.
By tecsan at 21,Sep,23 05:03 other posts of tecsan 
You really know how to shit on everything you disagree with. A true socialist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,23 09:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Cult: "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object."

You're mindless devotees to anything the narcissist buffoon says and does.
It doesn't matter what despicable act he does, you'll deny or defend it.
If he started to support flat earth 'theory', you would believe it.

It doesn't matter if he makes it up while he speaks, or contradicts himself
30 seconds later, or everything he does contradicts his words, or reality itself has to end to make his words even sound true, you will accept anything he says as the absolute truth and you all will follow him like lemmings off a cliff.
THAT'S A CULT. You're The Cult of Trump.

By phart at 16,Sep,23 20:55 other posts of phart 
I won't watch it more than likely because it will be hours and hours of boring procedures and objections and blah blah.
It is all politically motivated and I don't feel like there is any reasons to be going thru all this.
Like I said before, if Donald had took a dog catchers job and dropped out of site, none of this would be happening.
It is all to interfere with the 24 election. The court dates are arranged to interfere with his campaign stops and rally's. All deliberate.

Besides, where the hell will you find a non biased jury for a trial involving a former President?
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Sep,23 10:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The law is boring. And it's going to take a lot of time to present all the evidence, because there's just so much of it.

"I object! Your honor, the prosecution wants to prove how my client murdered his wife,
but "I don't feel like there is any reasons to be going thru all this!"."

"I object! Your honor; "Every member of the jury has seen my client on the news,
so they are all biassed against my client!"

I would say, only use non-voters as jury in Trump's trial. There are enough of them.

"if Donald had took a dog catchers job and dropped out of site, none of this would be happening."
Maybe so, but he shows a commitment to keep destroying democracy, so the law choose to act.

But, here is an idea; Trump could have returned those classified documents, when the national archives asked for them. Or when they forced him to return the classified documents, he could have returned them then, instead of having his lawyers sign off on a statement that he returned all of them. Or he could have not get caught asking security personal to destroy evidence that he was moving classified documents, after he was ordered to not do that. Trump had so many chances to not do crimes or not make his previous crimes any worse, but he kept doing more and more and more.
Just showing you that it's not all about 'to interfere with the 24 election'.

By phart at 17,Sep,23 18:38 other posts of phart 
Let a judge explain the problem
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By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Sep,23 11:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you want me to watch something with Jesse Lee Peterson and comment on this seriously, you've gotto give me some seriously viewing something of my choice and seriously commenting on their arguments in return, because god damnit is that guy painful to watch.

You know how much homophobic propaganda Jesse Lee Peterson has thrown out over the years and that he turned out to be massively gay himself right? I know I'm doing an 'Ad Hominem' fallacy here, but if a source has proven to be that dishonest, why do we even listen to the man? Has he accepted that he made mistakes and changed his ways?
By phart at 18,Sep,23 14:01 other posts of phart 
some of the credentials your side uses are no more creditable so the kettle is calling the pot black.
Besides, you should have been listening to the JUDGE, not the host
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Sep,23 19:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Like what?

And why should I listen to this particular judge? He doesn't look very trustworthy.
"Former television judge Joe Brown has been released from jail after serving a five-day jail sentence for contempt of court."
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He sounds like a fallen darling, who's now grifting for the right.
Still, if he's got good legal arguments, you can present them here yourself
and save me the trouble.

By the way, there is more evidence turning up that Trump and Giuliani were selling pardons for $ 2 million a pop. If that turns out to be indictable, that's worse than every rumor about Biden your side has even fantasized about. That can be court case #5. (or am I forgetting a few?)

By tecsan at 09,Sep,23 04:42 other posts of tecsan 
I know you will like this phart, but let us see Ananas2xLekker put his spin on it.

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By phart at 09,Sep,23 14:33 other posts of phart 
It keeps asking me to log in to confirm age and crap but ,I have saw the pics and such of obama's "woman" before.
Was a high school foot ball player.
By tecsan at 10,Sep,23 06:11 other posts of tecsan 
Sorry, I thought all were familiar with youtube.

By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Sep,23 08:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Here's the whole video. I don't see a dick.
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A conspiracy means there's something worth conspiring over.
Maybe it is to you, but to normal people it is laughable.
It childish racist nonsense.

If it turned out to be true, what would change for the world?
For me, it wouldn't change anything, I would just think:
"OK, it's sad that they thought they needed to lie about it."

It's like the flat earth conspiracy; why would almost everyone conspire together
to say the world is an oblate spheroid, instead of flat? Why?
However, if that turned out to be true, it would change everything. Wouldn't it?
By leopoldij at 10,Sep,23 18:28 other posts of leopoldij 
Even if she has a dick, what's the problem?
By phart at 11,Sep,23 00:23 other posts of phart 
Then "she " would not be a "she" "she" would be a HE!
By leopoldij at 11,Sep,23 02:37 other posts of leopoldij 
True, unless that person lives in a country with intolerant citizens like you. That person would have to hide their real identity, that is, go into hiding.

All that is hypothetical. Let's say, for the sake of argument that we don't know Michelle's gender. Fine, no problem. Michelle's gender, whether M , F or neither, is not a cause of alarm or concern to anyone.
By tecsan at 11,Sep,23 08:36 other posts of tecsan 
Who cares about her/his gender. I thought we were talking about her/his sex.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Sep,23 09:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You finally understand the difference!!
True, we do know the gender of Michelle Obama; she's a woman.
We are not 100.0000% sure of her sex though.

The video is of course just right-wing bullshit, but however unlikely, it is possible that Michelle Obama was born as a man, or with some characteristics of a man, and that she has had surgeries and therapy to look like a woman, all in secret and that all medical medical personnel involved is doing their job to keep it private, all medical records are secure, maybe in a vault somewhere, or maybe even in the boxes that Trump stole, and he's so generous as to respect the Obama's privacy.
There is indeed a 0.00001% chance of all of that being true.

However, there is of course no reason to think it's true, but that's the only thing
you have, to cope with the mountains of evidence stacking up against your former president, showing that he's a criminal and a traitor.
Maybe liberals should allow you that nonsense. It's the only thing you have.
By leopoldij at 11,Sep,23 23:07 other posts of leopoldij 
Can you explain to me what they're trying to say or what they're annoyed by?

Michelle Obama is a woman, the overwhelming evidence shows.
But let's say she was born a man. Why do they find it offensive? What's the problem here I really fail to understand.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Sep,23 11:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are just adding to what they think is a smear campaign.
They don't really think Michelle Obama is (or was) a man,
but they just like to pretend, to 'own the libs'.

Grifters are imagining all sorts of lib 'conspiracies' to create false equivalencies.
It's a distraction from their party being useless criminal traitors.
By leopoldij at 12,Sep,23 11:59 other posts of leopoldij 
They take something that every normal person would consider a non-issue (Michelle's gender) and they keep shouting, like idiots, about it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 11:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"(Michelle's gender)"
Little correction, they are talking about her sex.
Michelle Obama obviously identifies as a women,
even if she had a dick.
By leopoldij at 14,Sep,23 13:20 other posts of leopoldij 
Not clear what they're talking about. All I'm saying is: nobody cares.

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By tecsan at 21,Sep,23 05:14 other posts of tecsan 
Sex is the whole damn question here. Are you ignorant/woke or both. I bet the latter two.

By phart at 11,Sep,23 19:10 other posts of phart 
Has been the same thing until recent times, about 1955 is when a scientist decided he wanted to screw things up.
When was the term gender first used?
In 1955, the controversial and innovative sexologist John Money first used the term “gender” in a way that we all now take for granted: to describe a human characteristic. Money's work broke new ground, opening a new field of research in sexual science and giving currency to medical ideas about human sexuality.

In other words, someone decided to change shit that didn't need changing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Sep,23 20:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Etymology and usage

The modern English word gender comes from the Middle English gender, gendre, a loanword from Anglo-Norman and Middle French gendre. This, in turn, came from Latin genus. Both words mean "kind", "type", or "sort". They derive ultimately from a Proto-Indo-European (PIE) root *ǵйnh₁- 'to beget', which is also the source of kin, kind, king, and many other English words, with cognates widely attested in many Indo-European languages. It appears in Modern French in the word genre (type, kind, also genre sexuel) and is related to the Greek root gen- (to produce), appearing in gene, genesis, and oxygen. The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth. The first edition of the Oxford English Dictionary (OED1, Volume 4, 1900) notes the original meaning of gender as "kind" had already become obsolete.

If they had the term 'genre sexuel', than 'genre' didn't mean 'sex',
or it would have been a tautology.

Conservatives started using the term 'gender' for 'sex', because they didn't want
to say 'sex', because of prudishness.
Just like in some red states they say 'chest feeding' instead of 'breast feeding'.

If you're so picky about terms, than why did your side destroy the meaning of; 'Liberal', 'Patriotism', 'Rule of Law', 'National Security', 'Family Values' and 'Life'. You turned those terms into complete filth.

Not to mention how you bastardized the term 'woke'.
By phart at 11,Sep,23 21:44 other posts of phart 
Woke, as i posted on 1 of my photos from a dictionary, the way woke is being used, is not correct.


You call it "prudish", we call it being polite and respectful and not using words that arouse or stimulate a sexual thought during meetings and situations it would be awkward .
I guess you don't mind men and young boys walking around with their dicks poked out seeing half naked women at a funeral or similar event.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Sep,23 07:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There are definitions that fit the term 'woke' pretty well, but not in your dictionary from just after they invented the printing press.
Understand that words are just are intended for facilitating language.
When there are new developments in the world, new words are created and sometimes words get a different meaning. That can be a problem, if words have different meaning in different groups, because it will create misunderstanding. That's why they invented dictionaries, to define words. That's the only thing dictionaries do; confirm what the majority thinks a word means, unless it's an academic or scientific term, then the meaning of those words are more carefully protected. However, academics and scientists sometimes have meetings between specialists, to discuss if the terminology is still accurate, and if not, improve them when necessary. That's how the International Astronomical Union introduced the term 'dwarf planet' and redefined the term 'planet'. The terms 'sex' and 'gender' are not just publicly owned, because there is an academic field of study around those subjects and the science of Biology determines how sex is biologically defined. That's not your 1950's biology, but the specialists on the cutting edge.

The words we are discussing are only awkward for prudish people.

When a young boy walks around with his dicks poked out, in my country,
everyone just laughs and his parent tidies him up and corrects him by saying:
"It's not decent to do that! Don't make fun of a funeral!".

I imagine in your country people will have a hissy fit, in similar situations.
I heard one anecdote from a colleague once, who was sent for a job to the states for the first time, and said in a meeting "Can we open a window, I'm sweating my ass off here!". The whole room looked shocked at him, for the word 'ass',
and he was like: "Are you kidding me?". In my country, the reaction would be: "Yeah, I was just about to say that.".

There is social accepted behavior in my country and what people wear at a funeral is one of them. There's probably a difference in what you think is 'half naked', and the reaction to it might differ, but just because we are overal a lot less prudish, doesn't mean we lost our understanding of what's decent. We just take offense way less and we certainly don't change terms over it. Actually we would take offense if some part of our country starts using 'chest feeding' for 'breast feeding'.
By tecsan at 12,Sep,23 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
I do believe you put it well Ananas2xLekker . I have told you all along that you do not live here so how the hell do you know how the behavior should be here in AMERICA. I do not try to tell you what is acceptable behavior in your country. Remember there is a fairly large pond separating our two continents.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Sep,23 08:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You do not represent the majority of America.
Your opinions count for at maximum 30% of Americans.
Still a fucking lot and a very loud part of America,
but I have some hope that will reduce in the future.
By tecsan at 12,Sep,23 08:43 other posts of tecsan 
As I thought Ananas2xLekker . Bringing down America is your number one dream.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Sep,23 11:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's LIFTING UP America, to drop the stupidity and start moving forwards.
Your ideas are weighing down America's progress.

Understand that I think that America's success is humanities succes.
America's failure will be failure for humanity. I wish I could let you fail.
I wouldn't care about you, if I wouldn't care about humanity.
It's your freedom to destroy yourself, but your freedom ends,
were mine begins.

America used to talk about 'tomorrow' a lot;
- the city of tomorrow
- the house of tomorrow
- the farms of tomorrow
- the public transport of tomorrow
- the energy of tomorrow
Are you old enough to remember that? Phart and dgraff sure are.

Now, you're all determined to go back to the 1950's. Sure, some things
were better back then, but mostly everything was just more simple.
Simple doesn't work anymore, because our problems are difficult now.
Denying that doesn't work, only progress can save America and the world.
By phart at 12,Sep,23 13:22 other posts of phart 
Now that the future is here,it is not as bright as it was imagined, we have learned what does and doesn't work.And we know what worked in the 50's and we should be reverting back and quickly before we are speaking Chinese or arabic.
As divided as this country is now over unimportant things, I doubt it would survive another 9-11 or Pearl Harbor without going bankrupt and into full civil war.
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tescan, sometimes people outside the box can tell more about what is going on inside the box because they can see it from different angles. Problem is the interpretations of what they see!.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Sep,23 17:57 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That future is not as imagined, because you gave away the keys
to the government to corrupt politicians serving billionaires.
THEY are LIVING that future, but YOU are not.

What changes were made, risking you speaking Chinese or Arabic?
What do you need to revert back to, to prevent that, and how?

By phart at 12,Sep,23 13:51 other posts of phart 
I beg to differ,the 2020 election shows the actual numbers.
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Sep,23 08:31 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your ideas are not even representative of the Republican voters.
People vote for other reasons for Republicans over Democrats, then you.
When people have just 2 choices, they can either not vote at all or vote for the least bad one, in their opinion.
About 30% of the country votes for Republicans, because they share
your ideas, the rest have many other motivations, like being rich and desiring lower taxes and no expenses for poor people, or just not being informed on politics.

The Republicans now have to act like they care about climate change, because there is a growing group of their voters who do think climate change is real and important. Haven't you noticed?
By phart at 13,Sep,23 14:22 other posts of phart 
I am a registered INDEPENDENT voter. neither democrap or republican. I vote primarily republican because they are the lesser of the 2 evils
By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Sep,23 20:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You keep saying that, but you defend those Republicans
like your life depends on it. (But it's really your death)
By phart at 14,Sep,23 01:35 other posts of phart 
Sure as hell aint gonna get anything good out of a fucking democrat.They are the reason social security is fucked up, insurance is fucked up and etc.
I have voted for a couple democrats over the years,but not many
By tecsan at 14,Sep,23 07:10 other posts of tecsan 
Hey phart even I voted once for a democrat on the local level. We all have our weaknesses I guess.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 10:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That Republican choice had to be incredibly bad, for you to do that.

Is it a weakness to not blindly support any horrible politician,
just because of party loyalty?

Do you understand your democratic duty as a citizen?
By phart at 14,Sep,23 14:59 other posts of phart 
I am not republican, so no it is not weakness. The democrat choice was a older fellow that had been in the office a long time and still had some sense of family values and etc.
He has since passed away.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 20:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I was talking to tecsan.

I understand that you mostly vote for Republicans, because you really
support all their conservative, right-wing ideas of serve the rich
and don't ask for any freedoms, besides working and owning guns.
I don't understand it, I think it's delusional, but you're fully consistent.

Your party loyalty only shows up in who you trust to tell the truth.
You accept every single lie from right-wing media and Republicans
and you reject everything the other side says, and no evidence
can ever change your mind.

By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 10:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
They are lowering the prices of medication, by allowing the government to negotiate with the pharma companies over them. That is something every other country is already doing. That's why you pay on average 250% more than the highest prices in the rest of the world.
Republicans banned that negotiation and voted against re-introducing it. It starts very small, because Democrats have corporatists in their party too, but every year a new group of pharmaceutical get added to the negotiation list.
That plan will lower the price of the blood-thinners you need.
When Trump took office, he had one talk with big pharma.
Everything he promised his voters went out the door that day.
After that, he kept promising, but he delivered NOTHING.

Back up you claim that Democrats are the reason social security is fucked up, insurance is fucked up and etc. They have been telling you "Social security isn't maintainable!" for years, to get your support to cut, gut and destroy it. THEY ARE LYING! They want to switch you to a system where everyone has to put in their own money in some private funds (that's going to screw you 100% sure) and then hopefully there is some money for retirement at the end. And when they screw people or they don't have any money to put aside, people will work until they die.
Do you think your country is so poor that it cannot afford retirement?
Why do you think Republicans want 'anything good' for social security?

Give me some things you consider 'anything good' that Republicans passed laws for, providing working people with income they can survive on, afford them a house they rent or buy, send their kids to school on, provided infrastructure to go to their jobs on, provided them healthcare with when they get sick or have an accident, get help when they get fired, get help when they get crippled, or have a decent retirement.

Did the do anything besides TALK about immigrants and transgenders and take away abortion from people who do not agree with you on that?
By phart at 14,Sep,23 15:02 other posts of phart 
So you are saying people shouldn't be able to choose rather or not to pay into a government sponsored system?
Citizens that earn their money shouldn't HAVE to pay into social security if they can prove their investments are making more interest income. That is the whole idea, the government was supposed to earn money with social security funds but then decided to throw it in the pot with the rest of the taxes and just divy out each persons money and that is why the system is fucked

If you get fired from a job,why should the government help?
Hell you musta fucked up or you would still be working.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 21:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, I'm saying that, because social security only works if everyone contributes to it.

Are you talking about Myth 4?
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People get fired from their jobs all the time, because of employee cutbacks. Companies fail all the time. The economy goes up and down. Do you think unemployment is low now, because workers are doing better and when unemployment is high, workers are doing worse? That's the strangest economical hypothesis I've ever heard. You just had millions of people fired due to the Covid crisis. How about the 2007–2008 financial crisis? That was executives fucking up and people paying the price. But the government helped the fuckups with trillions of dollars and let the people rot or give them a one time check, not worth a fraction of what the wealthy raked in.

So be consistent, why should the government help the wealthy?
They surely fucked up, but got all the help they asked for.

By leopoldij at 12,Sep,23 12:04 other posts of leopoldij 
This reminds me of
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In this backwards country in Texas, in 1997, the uneducated super Conservative, ultra religious, ignorant people decided that

"Hello" is a bad word

Because (listen to that!) It detives from the word hell.

So the idiots decided to

Replace it by the word "heaveno"

You'd call the courthouse there and they'd reply

"Heaveno, how may I help you?"
By phart at 12,Sep,23 13:33 other posts of phart 
never heard of this, may have happened but never took hold. Texans say "howdy" anyhow.To me "hello" is a soft greeting you use towards a sick or elderly person or a child. When approaching a friend or person of similar age I just "howdy" or "how ye doin'" or "hey!
By leopoldij at 12,Sep,23 14:02 other posts of leopoldij 
And only religuous idiots like in Texas would come up with heaveno.

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We? You didn't say anything. You just posted a link.

By dgraff at 14,Sep,23 10:36 other posts of dgraff 
You don’t see a dick because you are not looking for one
I knew that Michael Obama was a man 16 years ago and that might’ve changed the whole outcome of the election Obama may have flopped and we would have been stuck with Hillary Clinton
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 13:26 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you WANT to see it, you see it:
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Really! Just look at this picture of Kimberly Guilfoyle:
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And then of this picture of Caitlyn Jenner:
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Switch back and forth, between their pictures.
And then tell me that Kimberly Guilfoyle isn't a transgender.

By tecsan at 21,Aug,23 08:04 other posts of tecsan 
How many genders are these dems going to come up with for some more distraction from mr magoo?
By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Aug,23 09:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you even need to fit people in boxes and count the boxes?
Just let people be.
By phart at 21,Aug,23 16:49 other posts of phart 
Great idea, IF they as in the 1's that can't decide what gender they want to be for the next 5 minutes would quit shoving it down our throats.

The whole point you are missing is this,
When you are a male,and you put on some lipstick,tape your dick between your ass crack and put on a dress, then go out in public, You still look like a damn man,just in a dress.
Then when I walk up to the cash register where you are standing and say "thank you sir" when you hand me my change,you get offended. Why? Because I am not into playing your little game of guess my gender. I see a male with a adams apple and a deep male voice,in a dress. I am not playing the little game, and that is what offends these people, thats why we don't "let them be" because they won't "LET US BE".
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 15:11 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That 'shoving it down our throats' is just right-wing propaganda.
You are describing a fantasy scenario, so you can keep misgendering fully transitioned people, just to be an asshole.
You're ridiculous for thinking people have a brutal operation at great costs,
just to 'play a game'. They are having a hard life and a bit of acceptance goes a long way to make it easier.

They just exist and you want to deny them existence.
It's exactly what you did with gay and lesbian people.
But you're right, we won't just let you be. People who like freedom are done with racism and bigotry, and that side will win eventually, because freedom eventually always wins.
By phart at 23,Aug,23 18:05 other posts of phart 
Sorry to bust your bubble Ananns, I just explained what happened to me at taco bell about 3 months ago.
A trans male took my order, handed me my change and when i said "thank you sir", he got all huffy and the manager had to calm him down.
A blatant male,in female clothes.He wears a large black mask now while he is working so you can't see his adams apple.And he seldom speaks so you can't hear his voice.
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 10:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You did not say 'thank you sir' by MISTAKE, but with INTENT.
You didn't GUESS wrong, you knew exactly who you had in front of you.

You don't HAVE TO say 'SIR' or 'Ma'am', you could just say 'thank you',
like you have probably done thousands of times before.
You just added 'sir' to be an asshole, and it was perceived as such.
By phart at 28,Aug,23 20:08 other posts of phart 
Sorry again sir, but I do always say sir or ma'am when I say thank you. It is showing respect .Where are your manners??????? Or were you not taught any???

Maybe read this?
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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 14:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's only respect, if you consider the one who you give it to.
When you call an ugly woman, with short hair and a low smoker's voice 'Sir',
is that showing respect?

Outside of school, this is not part of Dutch etiquette.
We are not as hierarchical of a society as yours.

However, my language has different pronouns associated with etiquette.
The personal pronouns for 'you' are 'je', 'jij' and 'jullie' and the courtesy pronouns for 'you' is 'U'. In the past, children used 'U' towards their parents, but that has almost disappeared now, except for mostly some Christian families.
'U' is still mostly used by young people for older strangers and in some very hierarchical companies or the military. In my company, people get upset if you address them by 'U', even the general manager. And no one ads 'sir' or 'ma'am'. They would think you are mocking them, instead of being courteous.
We show respect in how we approach people, not with specific words.

By tecsan at 04,Sep,23 05:21 other posts of tecsan 
Remember Ananas2xLekker there is a small body of water separating our Countries. You really do not know what the hell is going on here except for you left-WING political social media and possibly because you only have CNN.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Sep,23 14:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You should be able to know more than me, but because you are hyper partisan and reject all facts that don't agree with your indoctrination, your ideas are completely devoid of reality.
You are like a flat-earther, telling someone living on the moon that you know better, because you live on that earth and it looks completely flat. However, the truth is often more clearly visible from a distance.

I watch channels that have demonstrated themselves to be principled and objective.
I have dropped channels I agreed with just because they were not honest enough.
I don't watch CNN, because they have shown they are not principled and objective. They are not nearly as bad as Fox'News', because CNN still has some journalistic integrity left, Fox'News' doesn't. Fox'News' are complete partisan liars, they know they are partisan liars and they have admitted they are partisan liars in court. When CNN can be trusted to provide something close to the truth about 50% of the time, Fox'News' doesn't even get to 10%. NewsMax and OAN are even worse. FoxNews used to be somewhat useful for financial news, bit now it's as useful as getting your investment advise from Bernie Madoff. Everything else they are spreading is completely devoid of any fact, reasoning or knowledge. They are a waste of time.
By tecsan at 06,Sep,23 05:53 other posts of tecsan 
According to you fauci was following science. Has since been proven false which I knew all along was a lying libtard. I still do not understand why Trump did not fire the ass. I guess because we all faced some known only to a few in the scientific community and them libtards sure were not going to admit a mistake on their behalf.

As for that libtard CNN BS channel, now going broke, does not show everything. For instance all the illegals repeatedly committing crimes. Keep hiding your head in the sand Ananas2xLekker. I guess it does not exist if you do not see it. What lunacy and lack of common sense.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 07:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Fauci was mostly following science, but his priority was fending off a massive pandemic. He indeed lied about some things, to deal with a mask shortage for instance.
As data and knowledge are accumulating for a new discovered virus, sometimes the science is inaccurate, resulting in incorrect decisions. Funny is how you say Trump should have fired Fauci. It should have been the other way around, because Trump was spreading lies that had no reason to fend off a massive pandemic, he made it much worse. First he called it a hoax, making people deny reality, instead of asking them to be careful. Then he proposed all sorts of pharmaceuticals as a cure, while science clearly showed they didn't do anything positive, but had dangerous side effects. Telling ignorant people to inject bleach in their veins probably killed some idiots. He also let all the right-wing media fearmonger about vaccines, while he knew that all the politicians, billionaires and media grifters and himself were all vaccinated before everyone else.

Republicans' excess death rate spiked after COVID-19 vaccines arrived:
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The science was all out there for everyone to inform themselves.
You keep believing in stupid right-wing fearmongering, that kills its own believers, even after all the ongoing facts shows that all that fearmongering turned out to be absolute garbage.

Illegals commit crimes at a way lower rate than American citizens, except for illegally working, of course. However that's equally a crime for the Americans who employ those illegals. There are no facts supporting your claim, you are just spouting your 'common sense', which is false.
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By tecsan at 22,Aug,23 03:05 other posts of tecsan 
Also Ananas2xLekker for argument sake, lets say you have a 13 year old daughter. Do you want 13-14 year old boy competing against her in sports? Further would you be comfortable with her undressing in front of her or even worse her undressing in front of them?

I bet I know your answer.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 15:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
First of all; you and other right-wingers don't give a fuck about women's sports,
it's just intended to abuse transgenders.

I would only care if 'my daughter' was doing competition at top athlete level.
Then I would want a panel of experts to decide if that 'boy' has any significant advantage related to 'his' biological sex and should therefore be banned from competing against biological women/girls.

Before puberty sets in, there is hardly any difference between boys and girls.
We have mixed soccer teams until the age of 12. If a transgender kid, who identifies as a girl, is taking puberty blockers, they are not developing more strength than any other girl, so I see no reason to ban them from sports with biological girls.

Any level of amateur sports, that is just for fun, should be just that.
Some 13 year old children are way larger than other 13 year old children.
Do we exclude them, because it's so unfair for smaller 13 year old children?
No, we don't. We have some weight classes of course for sports like wrestling.

I would not have a problem with a trans-girl / biological boy undressing with my daughter, but I can see why some parents or some children would have a problem with that. The solution to that is not to ban the trans-girl / biological boy from sporting with girls, they can just change clothes privately or with the boys. When we are talking about adult fully transitioned transgenders, they should just be allowed to change clothes with the sex/gender they identify as.
By phart at 23,Aug,23 18:07 other posts of phart 
There have been experts on the subject of determining male and female for 100's of years, they are called dr's.
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 08:17 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not what I said. I'm talking about deciding ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, if one transgender girl has any significant advantage related to 'his' biological sex. If they start taking puberty blockers, before puberty sets in, they have no significant advantage over biological girls.

They also should determine if some biological girls might have way too much testosterone in their body, to compete against other girls, if you want that fair competition. They are not testing all girls to see if they might have XY or XXY chromosomes.
By tecsan at 24,Aug,23 08:26 other posts of tecsan 
I think you are proving the point here "significant advantage related to 'his' biological sex."
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 08:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
There was an 'IF' in front of it. (who is twisting someones words?)

Women are competing with men and their significant advantages related to their biological sex, all of their lives. You don't give a shit about that, you like it like that.

But suddenly, when it concerns a transgender, then it's a issue. Most transgender women and girls DON'T HAVE those 'significant advantages related to their biological sex', because they take hormone suppressors and hormones, that eliminate those 'significant advantages'.

That's why it gives a woman an unfair advantage in women's sports,
when they pump her full of testosterone. That's why that is illegal.

By phart at 24,Aug,23 13:21 other posts of phart 
And the experts, the dr's have been deciding it on a case by case basis and putting their decisions on birth certificates for decades.
Only when liberals decided to move the goal post was there ever a issue.

The requirements have always been the same until recently, those marked male, as decided by a medical expert at their birth were placed with others of the same sex.
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 15:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'deciding it on a case by case basis'
Sure, and in 99% of cases that's easy.
They just see a dick and check 'boy' or 'girl' if they see a 'pussy'.
In some cases it's not that clear and they just pick one.
They don't do genetic tests or brain MRI's.

And then the kid grow up and disagrees, with that ignorant decision.
But, that kid just has to live with that, according to you.

It always was an 'issue', but you lot suppressed it with ignorance and religion.
By phart at 24,Aug,23 16:19 other posts of phart 
There are VERY FEW hermaphrodites born, so that confused group is small.
When it is a tiny baby still wet behind the ears it has not had time to be convinced by a drag queen it is not what it's parts indicate.

If we applied this to cars and trucks, my dodge would wake up in the morning feeling like a toyota prius!. BUT it would NOT get the fuel mileage of 1.
By tecsan at 26,Aug,23 07:18 other posts of tecsan 
Hey phart did you know there are over a 100 different genders we can identify as now? I am thinking here of what I want to identify as, maybe _ _ _ think I may be on to something here, doubt it though.

Honestly though, with the lib thinking I bet the possibilities are infinite.
By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Aug,23 15:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Really? Where's the scientific article that claims that?

Science just says that there are 2 sexes, male and female, but there are variations where some people do not fit fully in those categories.
Gender is a social identity structure related to sex. Everything that is not determined by sex organs, chromosomes and body characteristics is gender. Gender is cultural. You consider long hair, dresses and the color pink feminine and short hair, pants and the color blue masculine. That is cultural, just like lipstick, lang nails, painting nails and high heels. This differs all over the world and in history. The word gender has always been associated with things like that, it's just conservatives who try to claim otherwise.

There is no one who thinks there is a specific number of genders, that's just your stupid straw-manning. There are people who feel that they were born as the wrong sex and that can be confirmed with a brain MRI. They do not think there are more than 2 genders, they just think there are 2 and theirs doesn't match their sex.

What you are referring to, with all those genders, is people who don't agree with you cultural ideas of genders, like everything associated hair length, clothes, colors, make-up, nail length, heel length, facial hair, etc. Since there are an unlimited number of combinations and possibilities there, saying that there are 10, or 100, or 1000, is all bullshit. No one is claiming a number. That's you trying to put them in boxes and count the boxes again. Their whole idea is to destroy the boxes. They don't like your repressive, sexist conformism and just want to be free to explore their identity and sexuality. If that threatens you, than you are a very insecure person.

It's comparable to the punk movement, which primarily was made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action, and not "selling out".

By Ananas2xLekker at 28,Aug,23 14:58 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Hermaphrodites are not the only group that get the sex identified incorrectly.
Any time a doctor just determines the sex of a baby, from just seeing a penis or a vagina, there are many chromosomal, internal and hormonal variations that can get ignored. That should not be a problem, but you are turning it into a problem, by making that the final decision the kid has to live with for the rest of their life.

You are such complete loons to think that anyone can convince a person that they are another gender or have another sexual orientation. You must be very insecure about your own sexual identity.
By phart at 28,Aug,23 20:10 other posts of phart 
No, but loons are trying to convince our kids they are not what their birth certificate says just because they get curious about how they feel or they happen to like pants instead of skirts.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 10:59 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's what they tell you and what you believe. But there is no reason to.

According to a huge study in 2021, about 1% of transgenders come to regret their decision. For some, regret was temporary, but a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries. Even those people admit that it was a very careful process and they were convinced at the time. But it's also a very lucrative business to be an ex-transgender who speaks out against transgenders. The right-wing will cover you with money. They love ex-liberals, black-white supremacists, gay-conservatives and all other grifters for their causes.

There is also a group that regrets transitioning out of money concerns.
The continuous hormone treatment, that is required, is expensive.
Then, it's the choice between the biological sex that you don't want to be
or an imperfect version of the gender that you want to be.
Because then you call them a 'man with lipstick'. Do you think someone working at Taco Bell has the money to transition well?

There is only a handful of regretters that say otherwise. Compare this with the records of any other medical procedure and those are extraordinary positive results.

How strong is that woke indoctrination, that it can keep a person living happily in the body they were lied into?

By tecsan at 29,Aug,23 04:45 other posts of tecsan 
Wait a minute with hermaphrodites. Now if one is born that way then the medical staff leaves it up to the parents and they must take the genetics of the infant into consideration (you know XX or XY). I know in the past some just leave it up to the child later in life. Now you are comparing apples to oranges. Keep digging with your semantics Ananas2xLekker.

You love proving crap with your little links. I wonder how many infants in America each year are born as hermaphrodites. Good luck with that number be significant. I realize it is a problem for the parents and the child, but why burden all with this? We all encounter problems. Now attack and spin this as usual.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 11:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Intersex/hermaphrodite is about 1 in 1500 births. That's still 220,000 Americans. But, like I said before, people with chromosome variations are not included, even though they are an an overlapping group. Because e.g. many XY-females get confused with normal females. In any case, most intersex/ hermaphrodite people will require or desire gender-affirming care at some point in their lives.
That still leaves out all the transgender people, who are being born with all the VISIBLE characteristics of just one biological sex.

So what about the medical staff leaving it up to the parents?
Phart just said that doctors make the decision, and now you claim that some ignorant hicks from Alabama can decide this correctly for their kid?
Who says they must take the genetics test? That just comes from your ass.
It's a very good idea to leave it to the child later in life, because no doctor and certainly not any parents should decide something so important for the rest of someone's life.

Do you agree with boys, who are diagnosed with gynecomastia, to have their breasts removed or should they wait until they are 18, while they get bullied in the dressing room, by other pubescent boys, over having breasts?

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By phart at 29,Aug,23 12:57 other posts of phart 
What gets me is why left wingers want to shove this in everyone's face as being normal when it is a small % of people with mental illness being the subject of discussion. This is a limited number of people and they are the minority, they are the 1's that need to adapt and accept the fact THEY are the problem, not the majority

And do you cat really think the girls laughing at the boy that thinks he is a girl is really a good thing for that boy to have to experience? The suicide rate among that mentally ill portion of the population is high enough without people laughing in their faces. That laughter is far less humane than trying to get the person to understand they are the 1's with a issue.
By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 15:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members" Mahatma Gandhi
By phart at 29,Aug,23 15:37 other posts of phart 
Yea, well considering how our "society" treats it's elderly and the young that are sick physically and mentally and our disabled veterans, yea ,we are not in good shape. The % of these trans people is so small, it is negligible.
I was just in the local hospital yesterday and saw a big sign that said "0 Harm", and now I am trying to wrap my head around people thinking it is a great idea to block puberty in a 10 year old with a pill because they are a bit confused about what sex they are.
Or people thinking it is fine to even think about mutilating teens bodies.
Fucking sick world when you have people advocating for mutilation with pills and knives of our young
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Aug,23 12:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Eh, yeah exactly. Give me some arguments how Democrats treat the elderly worse than the Republicans. Who is talking about gutting social security and Medicare?
Here is Nikki Haley, talking about those 'entitlements':
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She thinks 65 is way to low of a retirement age. That is actually 1.8 years lower than in my country, but Americans die 4 years younger.

If she gets it her way, you'll be waiting for your Medicare indefinitely.
She says those programs will be bankrupt in 10 years or so, unless she cuts the crap out of it. OR, you take back the tax-cuts from the super-rich.

By phart at 30,Aug,23 15:36 other posts of phart 
If I were able,I would work past 65 in a heart beat,
work is what give a person a sense of self worth,and of value to his family or community.
By CAT at 31,Aug,23 00:35 other posts of CAT 
That’s you, Phart. Not everyone feels the same way.
By phart at 31,Aug,23 01:08 other posts of phart 
Hence ,our country falling apart at the seams,no one wants to work or share their knowledge without trying to become a millionaire doing it.
By CAT at 31,Aug,23 01:30 other posts of CAT 
That's your perception

By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 14:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your country is falling apart at the seams, and you seem to understand that selfishness has a role in that.

But don't blame the working class, blame the owner class that is exploiting and destroying the working class. A society needs a solidarity structure to stay afloat. It needs to provide a safety net to keep people from falling through the cracks and public support, like education to help people grow to their maximum potential.

Selfishness from the elites, who don't need a safety net, nor public support, creates a society where more and more people are drowning. You can blame those drowning people for their own demise, but that's no solution. Or don't you want a solution, but only blame people you don't like, for your country falling apart at the seams?
By phart at 02,Sep,23 02:06 other posts of phart 
Without the owner class, the working class has no fucking JOB!
Taking away profits ,takes away the motivation to employe people. it is a hamster wheel, and nothing can really change it and work effectively.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 20:03 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's the nonsense that they indoctrinated you with.
The working class doesn't need investments of an owner class,
we can arrange the same with publicly owned, tax funded banks.
Then the profits go back into the public capital.

Now the working class is in that hamster wheel.
How about having everyone profit from their labor?
Doesn't then everyone have that motivation?

By phart at 31,Aug,23 13:19 other posts of phart 
I know,most folks under 60 now think the world owes them something for waking up in the morning.
How the hell people expect this country,or this world for that matter to continue without WORK is beyond me.
You don't have to "build" a cave but hell, there are to many of us to go back to living in caves,we need houses of some sort if the human race is to continue.and etc
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 15:45 other posts of CAT 
The world does owes everyone something for waking up in the morning. You, Phart, are not expected to go hunt or forage for your food. The system, at least in this country, is set up for mass distribution of food and you are owed the privilege of buying it. You are partially disabled. You are owed survival money from whatever entity provides that money.
“How the hell people expect this country to continue without WORK is beyond me.” First, it’s a fallacy to believe that people believe that. I’m not sure if you meant employment positions or the verb “to work”, but, either way, most of us believe that this country will continue to be a successful country despite some hiccups.
Second, unemployment is 3.4+/-%. That means that 96+% of the employable people are working, so why the gloom and doom?
You are always preaching that too many young people are going to college seeking a degree in some field of study and not enough young people are going for a trade. I don’t see anything wrong with that. A college education can prevent having to work in a mediocre job with long hours of work, finite top pay, and possibly losing a lot of sweat. Less than 40% of all people have a college degree and less than 13% in 2021/22 have an Associate’s degree. That leaves a huge amount of people to work at any other job.
By phart at 02,Sep,23 02:03 other posts of phart 
Just as I posted to woody, the unemployment rate is affected by the number of people that drop out of the work force, so the numbers are higher than 3.4.

As for the world owing us something, help a fellow out here, where is this written? who enforces it? Who wrote it?
I have yet to ever see anything anywhere in stone that food should be laid before me for simply being alive.
Or any other resource I may need.
Yes,I do expect my employer to take care of me since their negligence cause me to damn near get killed, and I do get a small check,but thanks to your hero obama for messing up social security disablity,it gets cut big time.
15 more months though I will be where I was salary wise in 05! Whohoo! just think of all the raises I coulda earned on the job and where I would be today? Well I would have been retired 3 weeks if things went right.
By CAT at 02,Sep,23 03:37 other posts of CAT 
For everyone that drops out of the work force there’s a new one that joins it. There are stretches when there are baby booms and there are stretches when the birth rate drops. In time there are more that join it than those that leave it. It’s called population growth. In any event, even if you are right, it’s still very low. The thoughts I’ve described are in the Bible. Help your brother. Take care of the downtrodden, be kind. Those are ideas that give people the right to expect something from this world. You don’t have to believe in it. Just enjoy when it’s you on the receiving end.

By tecsan at 31,Aug,23 05:51 other posts of tecsan 
There probably are some absurd democrat earmarks that could be removed. Check it out Ananas2xLekker and let me know.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 08:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you expect me to tell you?
What would you even consider 'absurd earmarks'?
And why would only the Democrats be responsible for them,
if you haven't even looked?
By tecsan at 02,Sep,23 05:00 other posts of tecsan 
For instance the study of why guys want to be in female restrooms. That is absurd. Remember Ananas2xLekker you love to show research supporting your BS. Knock your socks off and try, please.

Tell me how many sexes there are and how many genders you think exist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 20:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What study? Show that you didn't just make it up.

People who look like men can go to the men's,
people who look like women can go to the women's,
how easy is that.

There are TWO sexes, but there are also VARIATIONS on those.
There is no specific number of genders. There are so many
characteristics determining gender, varying enormously per culture
and per time in history, that the possible gradations between men and women are unlimited. I don't make those boxes and I don't put people in them. They can be whatever they want, as I'm concerned. If you want to be a muscular, long haired blonde, with heavy make-up, DD tits and a beard, have at it. It makes walking around the city more amusing.
I won't be laughing and pointing, like you lot, I would just enjoy
the obvious signs of freedom to be an individual.

By CAT at 31,Aug,23 00:34 other posts of CAT 
So true, but, then, Mr Gandhi was a true humanist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 08:02 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
What would Jesus say?
Wasn't he also concerned with the most vulnerable members of society?
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 15:48 other posts of CAT 
Jesus, most likely would say, “Listen to Mr Gandhi.”
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 16:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I think they would go along well.

Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 16:10 other posts of CAT 
He was also a realist.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 20:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
He was mostly an idealist, but he was very realistic in his methods.

By CAT at 31,Aug,23 00:32 other posts of CAT 
No, I don’t think laughing at someone else’s expense is good, but, you guys are the ones making such a huge fuss about it. We want this “subject” to be dead and buried. Why is this a chat worthy subject? If you are right, Phart, (sic), then it IS too much ado about nothing.

By tecsan at 04,Sep,23 05:24 other posts of tecsan 
Not to mention you (Ananas2xLekker) are woke as hell and your belief is just one step above communism. You probably like that idea. Hell the more decisions the government makes for you the more free time you have for yourself, but are you really free?
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 11:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Are these arguments to you? You are arguing against straw-men.

'Woke' means: 'alert to injustice and discrimination'.
Why is that one step above communism?
Why is that not supporting freedom?
Do you think injustice results in freedom?
Do you think discrimination results in freedom?

In communism, the country is controlled by wealthy elites in the government.
In capitalism, the country is controlled by wealthy elites period.
That's communism and capitalism controlling the rest of the people.

What my party proposes, is controlling the country fully democratically.
That's the socialism that I support and it's the OPPOSITE of communism.

I don't want the government making decisions for the people,
but the people making decisions for the government.

When you work for an employer, you are controlled by a dictatorship.
The socialism that my party is fighting for, is democratizing jobs and capital.
Your employer will no longer be a full dictator, but more democratic.
And it will allow for more independent employment structures.

My Socialist Party is fully grassroots democratically organized. It is the most democratically organized party in The Netherlands, by far. Every single member with even the least amount of responsibility is voted in by the members or by member representation. Even our party chairwoman Lilian Marijnissen (chair since 2017) was voted in again (over other candidates) for the next election.
All the party members were involved in updating the core principle program
'The whole human being'. Everyone had a chance to suggest text removals, replacements, improvements and additions and to vote on them.
The updated text is now being used to effectuate that core vision into the party program for the next election, which will clearly state our goals and plans.
In many party meetings, members will participate in that process.

How much are you participating in the Republican party core vision and program?
How much is it decided by lobbyists and wealthy donors?
Who provided your three supreme court candidates?

My party also always presents an alternative government budget plan, that has been validated by the by the national Central Planning Bureau (CPB). The budget plan proposes billions extra for tackling the housing crisis, higher salaries in healthcare and education, and lowering taxes for low and middle incomes.
It is paid for by eliminating tax-loopholes supporting tax evasion, and raising taxes on large companies and people with high incomes.

Yes, our socialism does provide more freedom, because they provide more participation, reduces the dictatorship of employers over employees, increases the ability to get educated, protects woman's control over their own womb, provides everyone a social safety net for if they loose their work temporarily or are unable to work, provides everyone healthcare to protect people's bodily ability to work, and protects freedom of speech and privacy against censorship and spying from big tech and the government.

I define freedom as the ability to make choices, that affect my life.
The wealthy have almost unlimited choices. You and I are both not wealthy.
What choices do poor people have in your country?

Our socialism will reduce the freedom of the wealthy to exploit people.
That's one less choice for them, but it leaves them all their other choices.
However, that will improve freedom (the ability to choose) for everyone else.
By phart at 14,Sep,23 18:01 other posts of phart 
"Our socialism will reduce the freedom of the wealthy to exploit people."

Read that statement, then, read this 1.
"Our socialism will reduce the freedom of the wealthy to invest".

Our socialism will reduce the freedom of the wealthy to hold people accountable for retail theft".

Where will the lines be drawn on what freedoms you take away from this group you like to single out? the "wealthy".
Just "Who" defines wealth? And what is to stop "them" from moving the goal post?.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 18:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're just saying shit, without any arguments.

Maybe Jon Stewart can explain it to you:
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This 'group' has taken away your freedom, of your vote to count for anything.
They have bought the government, so they can rule over them and thereby you.
Do you want them to have the freedom to take your freedom?
By phart at 14,Sep,23 18:44 other posts of phart 
YOu didn't answer my SIMPLE questions that would need to be ask for your ideas to be implemented .If you can't answer those SIMPLE questions, then just how do you think your system can be implemented without a war ,rather with words or weapons?
No one of us has the credentials to say, "this person deserves what they have and this person does not".
that would require God like powers
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 20:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The 'freedoms' that I want to take away from them
are 'freedoms' that you don't have but they do have.
That's the 'freedom' to cheat at their taxes,
the freedom to steal without getting punished,
the freedom to bribe politicians to do their bidding,
the freedom to gamble away other people's money,
the people to destroy a company and get bailed out,
the freedom to get massive bonuses for a bad job,
the freedom to take away other people's freedom.

I don't need to wage a war to get this implemented,
I need people like you to wake the fuck up!

Democracy is completely wasted on people like you.
You just want to hand everything over to the elites.
Just move to Russia or Qatar and be happy.

By phart at 29,Aug,23 23:50 other posts of phart 
Here is a good example of trans being thrown up in peoples faces.
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These women are members of a group that is supposed to only be women! BUt no, they have this fat guy peeking on them. Scaring them,they don't feel safe, but the judge sides with the weirdo,.

Please pretend for a moment you were sitting at the dinner table with these young women and it was your job to explain to them why they should tolerate this? Why is a womans space being violated by a male? And why is it ok? Don't explain it as if you and I are talking, explain as if you were trying to actually help these poor women understand it.
I am curious as to what this would read like.
By Ananas2xLekker at 30,Aug,23 13:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"..peeking on them. Scaring them,they don't feel safe" Damn, that's bigoted!
It's not a fucking dressing room, it's a sorority.

For competing in sports, you sometimes have an argument,
but what advantage does a trans-woman have in a sorority?

In any case, you show clearly now that it's not about the privacy idea
of dressing rooms and toilets, or any unfair advantage in female's sports,
it's just about not accepting them.

Anyway, I don't think she would feel very much welcome there,
so it was just a case to prove a point.

If those 'poor women' don't understand which side of history they are supporting
with their ideas, then I cannot help them understand.

But let me mansplain it for them:
First conservatives fought against freeing slaves. You gave up on that.
Then conservatives fought against freeing black people. You still do.
Then conservatives fought against freeing women. You still do.
Then conservatives fought against freeing gay people. You still do.
Now conservatives fight against freeing trans people. You still do.
Freedom will always win eventually.
By phart at 30,Aug,23 15:46 other posts of phart 
The fight against ignorance will continue, regardless of the labels you put on us.. Men and women are different, and the liberals need to get over it. These differences were decided many years ago during our creation or our evolution, and nothing has changed but mental illness has become widespread .Without those elementary differences, you and I wouldn't be here typing at each other.
When the asylums were closed, and the crazy's were put out on the streets they multiplied.
and now here we are.
When the system stopped requiring blo0d test before marriage, the problems got worse because cousins could marry and mutate, publicly ,not like in the mountains.
So many bad decisions got us here, and it will require a fight ,alot of pain and possibly civil war to get things back to a sensible state.
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 15:59 other posts of CAT 
Phart blood tests b4 marriage was used to prevent STD’s. There were no DNA tests available then. Insane asylums we’re discontinued because of the mistreatment of the inmates (like lobotomy and poor care). Cousins could always marry anywhere. It was frowned upon but not illegal like parent/sibling or sibling/sibling.
There are still many institutions for the criminally insane and those that are mentally challenged. Specialized doctors can determine if a person overcame his deficiency enough to be released into the general public. Problems of the mind are sicknesses.
By phart at 01,Sep,23 20:46 other posts of phart 
Well, here is a result of that cousins marrying ,you might remember the name from history class? time around 3:40 or so.
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Now considering what that baby became, who is to say interbreeding is not causing some of the issues our modern world is dealing with??
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 21:44 other posts of CAT 
Distant second cousins? My Dad had an aunt who had two daughters. That made them cousins to my Dad and second cousins to me. One of the daughters had one son. If, for some reason I would have married him, he too, would have been a distant cousin. Our children would have inherited 1/8 of my Dad’s.
Hitler is a poor choice for an example. Intermarriage results in inbred children after several intermarriages in the same family.

By phart at 31,Aug,23 13:21 other posts of phart 
..peeking on them. Scaring them,they don't feel safe" Damn, that's bigoted!
It's not a fucking dressing room, it's a sorority.

so if it was YOUR daughter in there, and she said "dad, there is this freaky guy that acts like a girl peeking at me all the time weirding me out ,what do I do dad? You would just tell her she is the 1 with the issue and to suck it up? Yea right, I doubt it.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 08:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I would first ask how that person is 'peeking' at her
and why she's 'weirded out' from that person being there.
And if I see that it's all based on prejudices, like your ideas,
than she gets a scolding that she will never forget.
By tecsan at 01,Sep,23 08:15 other posts of tecsan 
Ask the gals in the KKG sorority Ananas2xLekker.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 09:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That wasn't phart's question, BUT ARE YOU?
And why only hear out the gals in the KKG sorority?
That's very one-sided, don't you agree?

You and phart are making horrid accusations towards that transgender person.
What are those accusations based on? Did you talk with that person?

Besides, the judge has heard both sides, and you just dismiss that,
because the verdict wasn't what you liked. So any court-case that you
don't agree with, is now not justice and a corruption of the law?

When I claim there is a corruption of the law going on, I have arguments.
Then I present legal arguments, like precedent, or how supreme court judges lied under oath, or how they are just completely unqualified political activists placed by religious extremists and the wealthy, or that they are corrupt for taking presents from wealthy 'friends'.
You might agree with that, but only blame the Democrats and refuse to believe all the evidence that Republicans do it too and in more extreme ways.
And you only point to that corruption every time the law doesn't agree with you, without out justification on that specific case, and you never accept the corruption, when the law does agree with you (on e.g. abortion).
By phart at 01,Sep,23 14:39 other posts of phart 
So if this person was just a straight male,would you still scold your daughter for feeling weirded out around him?
Women should not have to feel unsafe regardless if it is a male, lesbian or trans, something should be done to help the women feel secure.
Frankly I would tell my daughter to punch his fucking lights out if he-she-it made her feel uncomfortable.
Why the hell should anyone be ask to tolerate a walking freak show?You can look at that thing and tell it is not a woman and is not a normal male either,
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 15:05 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Yes, straight males have no reason to be in a women's sorority.
This wasn't about a straight male, but about a transgender.
If she is transitioned, she belongs in a women's sorority,
not in a men's sorority.

Feeling secure and being secure are different things.
I'm sure the judge included that in the verdict.

By CAT at 01,Sep,23 16:03 other posts of CAT 
What would YOU tell your daughter about undressing in front of a straight guy nilly-willy? A transgender, by the very definition has assumed the gender he/she is after the transition. Why does that bother you?
By phart at 01,Sep,23 17:44 other posts of phart 
I would tell my daughter if she was undressing in what should be private quarters for women and there was a man watching her undress, to kick his ass into next week as he is a pervert.

Well a little googling will find a case of a transgender being in a womans prison and gettting several inmates pregnant.
Basically he was still a man just ACTING like a woman enough to get himself with some easy pussy.
And besides, no one has said if this big fat fellow trying to be in a sorority is fully cut off or not.

I think in this case the women should keep suing until they get this in the supreme court.
By CAT at 01,Sep,23 20:21 other posts of CAT 
That’s not what your post was implying.
By phart at 02,Sep,23 01:31 other posts of phart 
Well, I am not a english professor.
By CAT at 02,Sep,23 03:29 other posts of CAT 
And I’m not a mind reader.

By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 12:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Since when are girls undressing in sororities?
What the hell do you think is going on there?
By phart at 03,Sep,23 13:27 other posts of phart 
It would not MATTER what was going on there, if men were not allowed in.
it has always been space for women.
By Ananas2xLekker at 03,Sep,23 20:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't care about what people 'always' used to do.
That's called an 'argumentum ad antiquitatem' fallacy.
(appeal to tradition).
It's just as useless of an argument as 'change for the sake of change',
which is called an 'argumentum ad novitatem' fallacy.

I only care about equity, justice, well-being and freedom; humanism,
for which we need to condemn intolerance and increase acceptance.
By CAT at 04,Sep,23 15:15 other posts of CAT 
These people have a long ancestry. It’s called being inexorable. I call them

By phart at 05,Sep,23 02:25 other posts of phart 
Why change anything??
Women here,men there,period.
No change needed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Sep,23 14:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's not true, you have advocated for lots of changes.
Allowing a president to ignore the Emoluments Clause is a change.
Banning abortion rights after 50 years is a change.
Those tax-cuts from Trump were changes.
Allowing people to have AR-15's is a change.
Supporting a president who's breaking the law repeatedly is a change.

Women where, men where? What you want is not stopping changes or a reversal of changes, it's a change to a fantasy of something that was never reality. You yearn for a simple world which you can understand,
but the world never was that simple.
By phart at 05,Sep,23 17:23 other posts of phart 
Never that simple because of people like you that can't leave what works alone
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 07:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Who did this?
Does it work out for you?

By phart at 06,Sep,23 14:23 other posts of phart 
Um, let's see, do we know how much money the rich that paid less in taxes donated to worthy causes and were able to write that off on thier taxes?

Perhaps a million dollars to a hospital for a childs care wing like a race car driver did in our area years back?
Or like another that donated a ball field?

Or like this organization that directly affects the state I live in
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Just a couple local examples, but here,let's look at the ultra rich for a moment,
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as far as I am concerned,i would much rather see the rich man that takes the risk to earn his fortune place some of it where HE or she sees fit instead of being forced to chunk it all into a government coffer and it be divied out to people that don't deserve it.Like illegal aliens.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 17:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We don't need the charity from wealthy people.
When we stop allowing people to claw billions for themselves,
there is more than enough money for 'worthy causes'.

You are talking about a few million to some children hospital?
That's not even 0.01% of their wealth.
Instead of waiting for their benevolence, just tax them, so they
don't have billions and society can just pay for children hospitals,
from the common capital.
By phart at 07,Sep,23 02:18 other posts of phart 
You won't tax them long, they will leave with their wealth and there will be nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 07:04 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
And that's the argument that allowed people to become that wealthy in the first place. In the past, rich people were taxed way higher, the government had money to invest in public wealth projects and the the postman and the shop-clerk made enough money to buy a house and a car.
But the wealthy cucked you and now you are their bitch.

I'm not saying to do this overnight and on your own, I'm proposing to make a shift an slowly but surely make capitalism work for workers again too.

The wealthy are already allowed to shift their money where ever they pay the least taxes. They bribed the politicians to create laws to allow them to do that. Those laws can be reversed.

My country is very guilty in helping the wealthy avoid taxes. Our government promised to do something against that, but they are not doing that because not all other countries in the EU do it first. Sometimes you just have to take a big step first, as an example. Then the politicians of other countries will do it too, forced by their voters.
By phart at 14,Sep,23 15:19 other posts of phart 
I can't help but go back to the basic's here ,you whole idea of "spreading the wealth" takes away all incentive to improve 1's self, to invest to innovate. it would not be over night but over time the world would just become homogenized, everyone would just be depressed drones. No one to look up to for being successful because of their hard work.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 15:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
This is not just people 'being successful' anymore, this is a system where the wealthy take over the government, so they can exploit everyone else, to take everything for themselves.
Being inspired to work hard has no effect if you can work as hard as you can and you get nothing for it, and only the people your work for benefit from it.

Do you think it mattered how hard you worked in communist Russia?
There one small group of rich powerful elites controlled everything too.
You think socialism is working towards communism, but it's actually capitalism.
When Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos own everything and control the government,
and all the people are just working for them, for a very low wage,
how is that different from communism?

Do you think it mattered how hard you worked for a peasant serf,
working for his king master? Instead of taxing him 20 sheep and r@ping his daughter, they would just tax him 30 sheep and r@pe his daughter.

What I propose is a system where hard work actually gets rewarded.
Not with billions, just for scamming the medical research industry, taxpayers and medical research charities, like Ramasmarmy, but actually contributing to society and getting a good income to live in luxury in return. Not the ridiculous wealth that allows a few people to buy a country, but at maximum normal riches. And not a minimum where people have to live in their car, while they work 60 hours per week in shifts, but basic living, food and comfort, even if you are not able to work.
By phart at 14,Sep,23 18:06 other posts of phart 
again,who decides who is "to wealthy"?
And what will prevent the goal post from being moved?
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 18:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
It's not so hard to understand. I'm talking about the people who have so much money that they have lobbyist bribing your politicians. It's when they can make whatever stupid decisions they want, because the government will use your tax-dollars to save their company and don't ask them to loose a cent, because they bribe your politicians for a few million and they get billions of tax-cuts in return.

What will help is voting only for politicians who actually want to make that bribery illegal, but I have never heard of any Republican supporting that. They all love bribes.
By phart at 14,Sep,23 23:54 other posts of phart 
Well, ok, so let's look at the US government bailing out GM years back.
I didn't like it, but it happened., And there is a reason for it. Who saddles up and starts building war machines if we go to war? GM and other company's.
You let Gm go tits up, a overseas company will buy it and guess what? You have a national security risk.

Same with other large companys.

By tecsan at 15,Sep,23 04:59 other posts of tecsan 
Ananas2xLekker if your beliefs are so much better then why do not more countries follow your socialist beliefs???

By CAT at 04,Sep,23 15:12 other posts of CAT 
Some sororities and fraternities have dorm rooms for some of their members. The bathrooms are communal.
By Ananas2xLekker at 04,Sep,23 15:50 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I visited a mixed-gender student housing complex many times,
because a friend lived there. They had communal bathrooms.
They just lock the door when they are using it.
By phart at 05,Sep,23 02:28 other posts of phart 
At the college that I had to go in the women's dormitory for servicing a machine you had to announce at the door "Man in the hall".
The running joke from all the ladies ,"Where I don't see 1".
By tecsan at 05,Sep,23 07:06 other posts of tecsan 
I think the dems realize how stupid their argument is when it comes to nudity.
By Ananas2xLekker at 05,Sep,23 14:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
When it comes to nudity, conservatives are the stupid ones.
It's just a body, everyone's got one, get over it.
By phart at 05,Sep,23 17:28 other posts of phart 
You don't need people appearing provocative.
You cover what stimulates peoples instincts to prevent rampant mating, spreading of disease and pregnancy's. It is a public safety and health issue.
By Ananas2xLekker at 06,Sep,23 07:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That stupid religiously imposed prudishness is causing
rampant mating and (teen) pregnancy's.

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Go find me any data that supports your claim.
By phart at 06,Sep,23 18:29 other posts of phart 
My claim is based on what intelligent people determined was best LONG ago. Nothing has changed to make those common sense rules to be altered.
a half naked woman makes a man horny in 70%+ cases I would be willing to bet on.
BUT here are a couple things to read
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"As we develop new public and policy responses to sexual discrimination, harassment and assault, we need to re-examine some underlying psychological and biological processes. Integrating these findings and identifying triggers for sexual violence may help develop effective remedial measures. "
IN simple terms ,asking your secretary not to come to work braless shouldn't be a issue to prevent unwanted attention.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 11:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You're sounding like a Muslim there.

I have three arguments for you, Mohammed:

1) Whatever women are wearing or not wearing, and no matter how horny you might become, you are not allowed to tough them, without permission. A real man can control his urges under all circumstances.

2) In that prudish society, there is no relief. You are not allowed to have sex before marriage, you are not allowed to look at women or porn, you are not allowed to masturbate, women are not allowed to enjoy sex. Besides giving men testicular cancer and prostate cancer, if they obey this lunacy, they are also turning into frustrated hormone cum-bombs, making them horny if they see a bare ankle. It's one big r@pe-fest in every country that does that, like it turned into a r@pe-fest when Catholics though celibacy was a good idea.

3) If everyone can enjoy sex freely, openly and satisfactory, you won't get blue balls, just from seeing your secretary wearing a bit less today, because it's 120 degrees outside. And instead of groping her, for a quick wank in the bathroom, and making her hate you and you risking your job and hers, if she likes you, she might give you the blowjob of your dreams, just for the fun of seeing her boss beg, "Please let me cum! Please, please, please, you little devil!".

Explain to me why that prudish world is better.
By phart at 14,Sep,23 15:07 other posts of phart 
IT has worked for many decades,no need for change.
Besides, there are plenty of rumors and such about what men do in the middle east that is considered very wrong even to people like you,I won't mention it here because it is not allowed but it's Baaaaadddd,I seriously doubt there are any blue balls.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 19:06 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Your only argument is: never change anything.
But it WAS CHANGED, for the better,
but you want to turn back the clock.

How has it ever worked? What good comes from prudishness?

People make belief that they are pure, sitting in church
with a holy face or standing in front of it, and secretly
they are abusing their wife, maid or children or visiting
prostitutes, may it be women or men. I hate that hypocrisy.
The more they are preaching against homosexuals, the more
sure you can be that they suck cocks in the weekend, or they
have a big black guy fucking their wife, or they dream about it.

What you are saying about the middle east only proves my point.
They are all so frustrated, even women in burkas are constantly groped. But you keep blaming women.

With that stupid prudishness also comes banning of contraceptives, lack of knowledge and the inability
to have safe sex. Religious prudishness results in teen pregnancies, Aids and other STDs. This is especially rampant anywhere religion has banned condoms.
Prudishness only lowers sexual activity a bit, but it turns all the sexual activity that remains, to unsafe, stupid, horrible, perverse, violent, unsatisfying acts. AND shame and punishment.

By tecsan at 05,Sep,23 07:04 other posts of tecsan 
Believe me CAT I know.

By tecsan at 15,Sep,23 05:00 other posts of tecsan 
CAT I do believe we were talking about guys taking advantage of your woke beliefs.
By CAT at 15,Sep,23 12:33 other posts of CAT 
If you expect me to agree that the unusual is the norm, you'll have to wait a long time.

By tecsan at 17,Sep,23 06:07 other posts of tecsan 
Statistics, you like them right mr Ananas2xLekker .

By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Sep,23 13:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I know you won't give a fuck about this leopoldij, but let us see tecsan put his spin on it.

Aubrey O'Day Reveals She Had Sex with Donald Trump Jr. for the First Time
in a 'Gay Club Bathroom'

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By Ananas2xLekker at 07,Sep,23 14:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Red State Voter REACTS to 'Rich Men North of Richmond'
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By phart at 06,Sep,23 14:37 other posts of phart 
OK cat, biden shut down the pipeline in january of 2020, You and others kept saying ,"oh the pipeline was NOT done,woulda took years to affect prices". Well, here it is going on 3 years later, and we get this "great news".
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So when we blame joe for jacking up gas prices, here is why we were and still are right to do so
edit and he is continuing that same shit,it is time to get A republican, hopefully Trump, back in the white house

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By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 13:28 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'JUST HANG HIM': Mark Levin Absolutely Loses His Shit Defending Trump
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By Ananas2xLekker at 29,Aug,23 10:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
As his Fulton County jail booking, Trump's height was recorded as 6'3
and his weight as 215 lbs. That's obviously bullshit.
At his peak fitness, Muhammad Ali was 6'3 and his weight as 216 lbs.

On a photo, Trump is the exact length as Obama; 6'1.
New York Police reveal Donald Trump's weight is 270 lbs.
That's believable. But Trump lies about everything, even something this petty.

Trump is really a child for thinking anyone believes his nonsense.
But why should a County jail officer be allowed to record false data?
Would they record your height and weight according to your wishes?
Imagine the body cavity search, they will do to you, after you asked them.
By tecsan at 31,Aug,23 05:44 other posts of tecsan 
Is this really a problem for you? I suggest you find something else to occupy your time. BTW look op Derek Carr that should occupy you for a while.
By Ananas2xLekker at 01,Sep,23 10:01 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why is it not your problem that it shows your beloved ex-president
to be such a childish liar?

So, you think Trump has the physique of Derek Carr?

By tecsan at 25,Aug,23 08:01 other posts of tecsan 
Was a good debate I guess Wednesday night, if you consider the winner was not even present: you know, the real winner .
By phart at 25,Aug,23 11:30 other posts of phart 
with all the election interference going on, we may need to have a plan b. The left don't care about conviction, they are just interfering with the election so the People can't vote for who they want.
By tecsan at 26,Aug,23 03:28 other posts of tecsan 
I think we can expect it from the libs from now on. How the hell else are they going to win? Look at all the platforms they have to run on.
By phart at 26,Aug,23 13:12 other posts of phart 
Well when liberal males can't win in sports they claim to be women so they can "win". So it is only logical they would apply similar technics to politics.
By tecsan at 28,Aug,23 03:35 other posts of tecsan 
I believe there is a word for what we are talking about, 'CHEAT'.

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Aug,23 14:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Bill Burr Ranting About The HollyWood Writers Strike!!!
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By phart at 21,Aug,23 16:45 other posts of phart 
Oh my, far as I am concerned,the entertainment industry can go down the river.
Nothing decent came from hollywood in years.
AI can come up with new topics, new looks new designs,unlike holywood that is reimagine,reboot,rewrite,rerun, screw em.
As for a living wage,quit trying to live above your means.

These living wages, the money comes from somewhere,not from the sky.So you make 20 bucks a hour bagging grocerys, it won't buy but the same amount of grocerys for your table that 5 bucks bought 2 years ago.
Case in point,a small can of mushroom peices and stems I bought yesterday for some spagetti sauce, was .62 cents a can last year, 1.62 now for the same damn amount,same qualtiy, but I guess the box handler got a .25 raise, the cashier got a .25 raise, and now we all INCLUDING THEM,have to pay more than double for the same can of mushrooms. Change mushrooms to dog food, bologna , gas,The money comes form somewhere.
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 16:08 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
At the moment, writers are making miserable pay, while the movie industry makes incredible money from their work. They should get payed their share for every rerun, but they don't. Just when the writer of a song should get paid every time the song is played on the radio or on some digital media platform, writers should get paid too.

And believe me, what AI will ever be able to create is boring as fuck.
Creative work will be the last thing that gets ever replaced by 'robots'.
But, we should make sure that not just the billionaires will benefit, when workers get replaced by robots. How do you propose to solve that problem? The way you handle it now, will result in pure luxury for a few and abject poverty and famine for the rest.
Would it be 'woke', to say to Hollywood: "I'm not watching your AI created garbage,
I'm just watching productions from real writers and real actors!"?
Or if this was 'woke', would you then say: "Fuck people, I'll watch that AI stuff, that only enriches two programmers and the CEO!"?

Any job that doesn't pay a living wage, should not exist. Why even have grocery baggers? Put your own damn groceries in a bag. Use the labor of people to do more meaningful things than something you can do yourself. Those prices of food are not caused by higher wages, but by food shortages. But, even if they were, I want the people making and transporting my food to be able to buy food too and a own a table in a home, where they can eat it. The fact that you have a problem with those high prices, is because the same people who are screwing low wage workers, have screwed you too. Everyone, no matter if they are able to work or not, should be able to live a decent life.
By phart at 23,Aug,23 18:02 other posts of phart 
Since you don't think religion plays a role in life, and laws are written by men,
Please Show where it is written that you are "entitled" to a decent life"?
Animals born into the wild, must learn to walk,forage for food, find shelter, reproduce, all without help from other species or whatever.
It only seems humans are the 1's thinking they "deserve, or are entitled" to everything laid before them.

Help me out here.
By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 08:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Why do you keep thinking that the myths of iron-age Middle Easterners can teach you the value of human life?

They didn't even understand that slavery is a crime against humanity.
It's the enlightenment period and philosophy when humanity started to understand human value. I base my principles on humanism. That has no relation with religion, it is based on REASON.

It's very simple; I want a meaningful life. Other people are the same as me. Humanity has progressed enough to provide that meaningful life to everyone. Because we all share a common goal of a meaningful life, humanity has the responsibility to provide it to everyone.

Is this helpful to you? If not,:
- Do you NOT want a meaningful life?
- Do you NOT think other people also want a meaningful life?
- Do you think that humanity has NOT progressed enough to provide
that meaningful life to everyone?
- If humanity has progressed enough, does it NOT have the responsibility
to provide it to everyone?

By phart at 23,Aug,23 19:09 other posts of phart 
Another thing, I think the writers are mad because they can't "cancel" AI like they can people like Kevin Sorbo and others.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 24,Aug,23 08:47 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
'Canceling AI'?

That answers my question:
"Or if this was 'woke', would you then say: "Fuck people, I'll watch that AI stuff, that only enriches two programmers and the CEO!"?"

I would certainly want to 'cancel' AI, if it destroys many jobs.
It looks like those writers are worried about AI taking their jobs,
but it's not in any way relevant yet. They are complaining about:
"I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day"
"Overtime hours for bullshit pay"

By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 09:07 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
MAGA guy completely convinced Trump could stop Putin with one 'perfect' phone call:
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By phart at 23,Aug,23 13:50 other posts of phart 
I haven't watched the vid but it is difficult to deny that we as a world didn't have much trouble with putin until Trump left office.
Gee I wonder why?
By Ananas2xLekker at 23,Aug,23 14:45 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
We will never know, but you will of course say that.
I think Trump would have done nothing to support Ukraine
and Putin would have just taken Ukraine and would have
murdered or imprisoned every Ukrainian who opposed him.
There is no reason for Putin to abandon his plans over Trump.

"Gee I wonder why?" Well, why do you think?
Just like the guy in the video, you have no reason.

You're just in a cult that idolizes a narcissist buffoon.
You accredit everything good that just happened, to him
and you deny anything bad that happened clearly due to his fault.

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