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Started by #601496 at 07,Jan,20 17:42
The elections are coming (Nov. 3, 2020). By the tittle you'll guess whom i WONT vote for, but that got me thinking. Who would I vote for? And why? That gave me an idea. Why not ask whom you'll vote for and why? You can come back and change your choice as many times as you like. Republicans can substitute some other Republican for Trump. Hopefully he will be gone forever by that time. It would be nice if you identify your political party (Ex: I'm R or I'm D) Lets see who gets it right on Nov 4.

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By ANGEL1227 at 12,Mar,20 13:23 other posts of ANGEL1227 
The Worst Outcome
If somebody other than Donald Trump were in the White House, the coronavirus crisis would not be unfolding this way.

MARCH 11, 2020
President Donald Trump
At every turn, President Trumpís policy regarding coronavirus has unfolded as if guided by one rule: How can I make this crisis worse?

Presidents are not all-powerful, especially not in the case of pandemic disease. There are limits to what they can do, for good or ill. But within those limits, at every juncture, Trumpís actions have ensured the worst possible outcomes. The worst outcome for public health. The worst outcome for the American economy. The worst outcome for American global leadership.

Read: Trumpís dangerously effective coronavirus propaganda

Trumpís Oval Office speech of March 11 was the worst action yet in a string of bad actions.

Here are the things the president did not do in that speech.

He offered no guidance or policy on how to prevent the spread of the disease inside the United States. Should your town cancel its St. Patrickís Day parade? What about theatrical productions and sporting events? Classes at schools and colleges? Nothing.

He offered no explanation of what went wrong with the U.S. testing system, nor any assurance of when testing would become more widely available. His own previous promises of testing for anyone who needs it have been exploded as false. So what is true? Nothing.

Layoffs are coming, probably on a very large scale, as travel collapses and people hunker down at home. Any word for those about to lose their jobs? Only the vaguest indication that something might be announced sometime soon.

Itís good to hear that there will be no co-pays on the tests nobody seems able to get. What about other health-care coverage? Any word on that? Nothing.

The financial markets have plunged into a 2008-style crash, auguring a recession, perhaps a severe one. The Trump administration has had almost two months to think about this crisis. It has trial-ballooned some ideas. But, of course, fiscal policy would require assent from the House of Representatives. Trump is still pouting at Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Soóaside from some preposterously unconvincing happy talk about the economyóagain: nothing.


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There was one something in the speech: a ban on travel from Europe, but not the United Kingdom. Itís a classic Trump formulation. It seeks to protect America by erecting a wall against the world, without thinking very hard how or whether the wall can work. The disease is already here. The numbers only look low because of our prior failure to provide adequate testing. They will not look low even four days from now. And those infected with the virus can travel from other countries and on other routes. Trump himself has already met some.

The travel ban is an act of panic. Financial futures began crashing even as Trump was talking, perhaps shocked by his lack of an economic plan, perhaps aghast at his latest attack on world trade. (The speech seemed to suggest an embargo on European-sourced cargo as well, but that looks more like a mental lapse of Trumpís than a real policy announcement. The ban on cargo was retracted by a post-speech tweet, although the ban remains in the posted transcript of the speech.) Among other things, the ban represents one more refutation by Trump of any idea of collective security against collective threats. While China offers medical assistance to Italy, he wants to sever ties to former friendsóisolating America and abandoning the world.

This crisis is not of Trumpís making. What he is responsible for is his failure to respond promptly, and then his perverse and counterproductive choice of how to respond when action could be avoided no longer. Trump, in his speech, pleaded for an end to finger-pointing. Itís a strange thing for this president of all presidents to say. No American president, and precious few American politicians, have ever pointed so many fingers or hurled so much abuse as Donald Trump. What he means, of course, is: Donít hold me to account for the things I did.

But he did do them, and he owns responsibility for those things. He cannot escape it, and he will not escape it.

More people will get sick because of his presidency than if somebody else were in charge. More people will suffer the financial hardship of sickness because of his presidency than if somebody else were in charge. The medical crisis will arrive faster and last longer than if somebody else were in charge. So, too, the economic crisis. More people will lose their jobs than if somebody else were in charge. More businesses will be pushed into bankruptcy than if somebody else were in charge. More savers will lose more savings than if somebody else were in charge. The damage to Americaís global leadership will be greater than if somebody else were in charge.

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There is always something malign in Trumpís incompetence. He has no care or concern for others; he cannot absorb the trouble and suffering of others as real. He monotones his way through words of love and compassion, but those words plainly have no content or meaning for him. The only thing that is real is his squalid vanity. This virus threatens to pierce that vanity, so he denied it as long as he could. What he refuses to acknowledge cannot be real, can it?

And even now that he has acknowledged the crisis, he still cannot act, because he does not know what to do. His only goal now is to shove blame onto others. Americans have to face the fact that in the grip of this pandemic, the Oval Office is for all practical purposes as empty as the glazed eyes of the man who spoke from that office tonight.
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By phart at 12,Mar,20 13:47 other posts of phart 
It is the job of local and state governments to decide what to close and leave open.He said so today.
I haven't heard any blame onto others lately from Trump
He did say this morning to the media that the deal Dems are pushing has some goodies in it not related to the virus is the reason he is not for it.
Shame they would try to squeeze in something. Should be a bare bones, address the issues at hand deal.
Trump is no saint. Anyone in that office would be stared at and badmouthed about something.
I don't think Trump wants us dead
By ANGEL1227 at 12,Mar,20 18:20 other posts of ANGEL1227 
He doesnít know what he says. This man is the most ignorant man weíve had as president. Itís not that he wants us dead. Itís that he doesnít care. Itís only ďMe Me MeĒ
By phart at 12,Mar,20 19:15 other posts of phart 
Well I have to question some of the peoples inteligence.I had the Fox on the satilite radio today and people were bitching because Trump called it a Foreign virus last night.What the hell else is it? It came from China.
When you have to dig that deep to find something to talk shit about,it erases other crap ye say.NOT You in this discussion ,I am talking about the critics.

The sad thing is,I am afraid I our Prez may have been set up to be exsposed to the virus.THat brazilian tested positive that was hovering all around Trump over the weekend. Sadly the dems would be dancing in the streets if he died from it instead of being angry about our President dieing.

By AussieMan187 at 05,Mar,20 00:16 other posts of AussieMan187 
Trump is going to be grabbing pussy & assassinating more generals for another four years, motherfuckers. Get used to it
By phart at 05,Mar,20 14:33 other posts of phart 
By AussieMan187 at 05,Mar,20 19:25 other posts of AussieMan187 

This emoji looks like Donald Trump with a beer

By phart at 03,Mar,20 19:49 other posts of phart 
How do you Trump haters feel about this?
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Frankly,She should be under the jail for threatening people.
By ANGEL1227 at 03,Mar,20 21:13 other posts of ANGEL1227 
She's an idiot. She should be locked up. Republicans don't have a monopoly on crazies
By phart at 04,Mar,20 09:50 other posts of phart 
Well I'll be darn! You and I agree on something!
I think regardless of political views,to blantantly threaten others with a virus that could kill,should be treated as a crime.
By ANGEL1227 at 04,Mar,20 09:54 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Donít they do that with HIV people that donít warn partners? That lady should be in the looney bin
By phart at 04,Mar,20 09:55 other posts of phart 
Not in california,it is no longer a crime there.I had to google it to believe it.
Apparently not in her state either.
By ANGEL1227 at 04,Mar,20 10:26 other posts of ANGEL1227 
That is unbelievable. You and I disagree about politics and guns (although I would be very happy to share a few Buds with you at the local pub) but, this is criminal. This is not acceptable. Sometimes, I think the legislators are all nuts.
By phart at 04,Mar,20 15:04 other posts of phart 
Sweet tea or Mountain dew for me, no alcohol.
By ANGEL1227 at 04,Mar,20 17:38 other posts of ANGEL1227 

By AussieMan187 at 05,Mar,20 00:14 other posts of AussieMan187 
Ugh, a communist. Kill it with fire!

By leopoldij at 03,Mar,20 18:19 other posts of leopoldij 
The next president of the United States is going to be

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By ANGEL1227 at 03,Mar,20 21:14 other posts of ANGEL1227 
If it was Homer against Trumpo I'd vote for Homer
By leopoldij at 03,Mar,20 21:18 other posts of leopoldij 
That's obvious.

By phart at 02,Mar,20 08:40 other posts of phart 
Well Considering that Trump and his arch enemy Two Warm are both in Florida,it is now confirmed 2 cases of Corona virus have been found at Sarasota hospital. So both Trump and Two Warm need to be careful and not be getting sick.
By ANGEL1227 at 02,Mar,20 12:05 other posts of ANGEL1227 
By CountryCouple54 at 02,Mar,20 13:00 other posts of CountryCouple54 
And there is one confirmed case at Baptist Kendall.
By ANGEL1227 at 02,Mar,20 15:13 other posts of ANGEL1227 
By CountryCouple54 at 02,Mar,20 15:15 other posts of CountryCouple54 
For real. Actually it's was at South Miami not Kendall.
By ANGEL1227 at 02,Mar,20 15:20 other posts of ANGEL1227 
I need a longer vacation.
By phart at 02,Mar,20 17:21 other posts of phart 
All bullshit aside,be careful and don't none of ye be getting sick with that shit.
There was a supposed case 2 hours from me a week or 2 ago but it has disappeared off the radar. Alot of info that was on the web 2 days ago,is not avaliable anymore.There is reason for concern.
By ANGEL1227 at 03,Mar,20 16:03 other posts of ANGEL1227 
The government, under Secret Trumpo's orders, is disappearing most victims of this plague. Too many to do all. There's been over 35K dead and buried at sea.

By CountryCouple54 at 02,Mar,20 13:11 other posts of CountryCouple54 
I don't give a flying shit about politics or the damn puppet sitting in office. This is just an opinion from hard working, blue collar, ex- Marine. These fuckers are all dirty, and use this president position to further the own companies and business ventures. For fucks sake look at the Bush's. None of these jackoffs are the answer. But there's a lot of people in this country just like me. Call us white trash, call us hillbillies, rednecks, country fucks, call us whatever you want. But when all these Democrats like Bloomberg preach about taking our guns away. Good luck mother fuckers. You just dug your own grave with half the US population.
By ANGEL1227 at 02,Mar,20 15:31 other posts of ANGEL1227 
I call you decent, hard working Americans. We differ in just one major thing, gun ownership. I hate Trump, but if that's your choice, it's your right. But guns are my right too. I don't think you are a bad person for wanting to own a gun. I think a gun is too big a temptation to maim and kill. You said half of the population would not like it. That leaves the other half not liking your choice.

By phart at 02,Mar,20 17:19 other posts of phart 
Find a honest politicain and he will be riding a Unicorn with the Tooth fairy riding shot gun.
I can not fathom our countrys condition right now had Trump not got in office.
You can bet your guns would be threatened much more than they are now.
I don't own but a couple older guns that are not worth stealing. But I'll be damned if some sumbitch is going to take them away!

By SrCums at 11,Feb,20 10:16 other posts of SrCums 

With that said who is the best candidate that will maintain this constitutional requirement? Sanders is a socialist and the rest of the challengers want to take your guns away, no more free speech with open borders..Raise Taxes and murder babies AFTER they are born.. ITs called BREAKING THE LAW!

There is only one person that will abide by our constitutional law to the best of his ability.. Guess Who It is?
By ANGEL1227 at 11,Feb,20 10:40 other posts of ANGEL1227 
(I promise not to make illegal deals with foreign powers to investigate rivals in the 2020 elections..........AGAIN)

Since when is socialism a dirty word? This country is full of socialistic laws (Social Security, unemployment insurance, minimum wage, food stamps, disability insurance, Obama-care, public hospitals, forty hour work week, etc)
Taking your guns away (really, really difficult) would be a Constitutional thing and a choice of the people, not just one person running for the presidency. You do know about that other document that is older than the Pledge of Aliegence? It starts like this,

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That's "WE, THE PEOPLE". Something you right wingers seem to forget. Only your view is right. The other part of the country got it wrong.

Raise Taxes and murder babies AFTER they are born. Tell me when has a born baby been murdered except by lunatic parents and stray bullets?

Breaking the law is what this current president, this jerk and laughing stock of the world, did. Probably will do again.
By SrCums at 11,Feb,20 22:29 other posts of SrCums 
Not a dirty word.... Its a failed word.. Name one country in any era with a socialist regime that has succeeded other than poverty and collapse?...

The president is aquitted therefore he is innocent.. No evidence is presented other than your hopes of fantasy.. There is no evidence to support him doing this other than the democrats word which has lied and continuting to lie throughout history. They know they can't compete with the truth so they lie and point fingers.. Turns out they cheated in the election but STILL LOST... People voted for trump becuase he was the best candidate,, not because ome russian KGB agent or agency forced people to vote through mind bending tricks..
Actually it is the Left is the laughing stocks.. and you are enhancing... Look at you..You're their little bending over bitch...
By ANGEL1227 at 11,Feb,20 23:12 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Sweeden, Norway but what does that prove? You think if Sanders gets elected congress will retire? Getting aquited in a crooked court of law does not exonarate you. Tell me, why are you and your fellow Republicans stll so interested in his election if he won? And if anyone cheated (you know, like paying a porn queen to stay silent) why hasn't there been any prosecutions? If I bend over for a good fuck, it's because I like it and want it. But neither you, Trumpo, or anyone like you will ever get to try it out. I rather fuck a gorilla.Ah, baby, as always, shit cums out of your mouth and when you can't deliver, you start with the insults.
By SrCums at 11,Feb,20 23:31 other posts of SrCums 
sweeded, norway woman are raped by islamic ganges.... You forgot cuba USSR. venezuella as well as the eastern europe states that collapsed during the 1989 revolution were they had to let them go..If any form of freedom is taken away and removed it is becaue govern has control over the people meaning they can screw you anytime they want.. The never talk about ecucation--NEVER.. Never giving black in inner cities incentive to be somthing of themselves, raise taxes and take away our 2nd amendments....
The reason he gives us the inspiration and love required to be americans, perhaps for the first time since the kennedy assassination and coup by democrats.West Virginia still has jobs, ohil, PA MI, Wi are in a better position since 2001 from the 8-11 attack.
By ANGEL1227 at 12,Feb,20 07:00 other posts of ANGEL1227 
SrCums, you amaze me. I have traded points of view with many members. You are in a class of your own. Please excuse me if I don't respond. I'm speechless and, baby, for me that is monumental. You must be fun living with.
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BTW, That 5th of scotch must have gone down smooth.
By SrCums at 12,Feb,20 10:09 other posts of SrCums 
My point of bending over was not a direct attack at you. It is only just to give a visual of what is not only happening to you but to our nation as well being divided into hate so that while you are busy hating each other they are stealing right from under your eyes. This is called "Bend over Bitch". Here is a good equations to follow to have a better visual.
Democrats and false or rhino "republicans" is MIGHT MAKES RIGHT
Conservatives(not neccessarily Republican) is Right makes Might...
By ANGEL1227 at 12,Feb,20 10:24 other posts of ANGEL1227 
So you say
By SrCums at 01,Mar,20 13:42 other posts of SrCums 
I say this too..

By SrCums at 11,Feb,20 23:32 other posts of SrCums 
It was not a crooked court.. Trump was declined costitution right in the congress and because of this show bias of the trial..
By ANGEL1227 at 12,Feb,20 07:04 other posts of ANGEL1227 
What constitutional right was Trump declined (as you put it)? Explain with examples

By Petro635 at 13,Feb,20 23:11 other posts of Petro635 
Sweden and Norway are not socialist. They are capitalist just like USA. They just have a higher tax rate and no military. You want to try again on a successful socialist country ? Or do you want pay more taxes and give up the military.
By mr_blue at 14,Feb,20 06:45 other posts of mr_blue 
Pretty sure both Sweden and Norway have military, pretty sure Norway had a big role in ww2 and were founding members of NATO....and still has conscription....

By ANGEL1227 at 14,Feb,20 07:08 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Strictly speaking, you are right. But let me show you this from a site that is very anti-Sanders Democratic Socialism.

During the 1990s, the Nordic countries shifted from Socialism Mach 5 (an open, free and competitive economy with very high marginal tax rates) to something between Socialism Mach 6 and Socialism Mach 7. While the details differ from one to another country, marginal tax rates were reduced to moderate levels, and various aspects of social insurances and social services were privatized. For example, parents could choose between government and nongovernment schools, and hospitals contracted-out many services. The reason for the shift was the relative stagnation that beset the Nordic countries. While the United States once enjoyed a standard of living only 70 percent of Swedenís; by the 1990s, Sweden enjoyed a standard of living only 70 percent of the United States.

According to the latest edition of Economic Freedom in the World, Norway is the #25 country in the world and Sweden #43, out of 162; with the United States #6, and Singapore and Hong Kong first and second.

Germany describes its amalgam of free-markets and social insurance as the ďsocial market.Ē Chile, with its privatization of Social Security, could be said to have moved completely to Mach 1 capitalism. The United States, somewhat uniquely among capitalist countries, practices extensive credit-socialism, and has a national government as well as many home-owners and students deeply in debt. There are positive and negative things to say about many real-world capitalist countries; but nobody - not even Ocasio-Cortez - wants to be associated with real-world socialist countries.

Clifford Thies
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The point is that those nordic countries, at one time, had a very strong socialistic system. They did some changes to be more equal to our capitalistic system.
Their system is best described as compassionate capitalism.
The Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.
First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

In other words, they had very generous programs to help their citizens, and that's what Sanders and other "Democratic Socialism" proponents want. To you and people with your mind-set, you automatically think Venezuela, Cuba, and such. No one wants that.
What I want is a successful economy with safety programs for the less fortunate or poorer citizens. You can have a super-powerful military without the huge expenses of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, or N Korea.
This should make you happy. This makes your point........ kinda.

Americaís is a mixed economy and so are Scandinavian countriesí. It is the mixture that differs.

As someone who grew up under socialism and is still, barely, in his 30s, I hope to relate a few ideas to the young people who are ďfeeling the Bern.Ē First, Sanders is not a socialist, but a social democrat. Second, the United States does not have a strictly capitalist economy, but a mixed one. As such, it combines a high level of private ownership of capital and the means of production with relatively onerous regulation and taxation. Third, to the extent that what anti‐​capitalist Sanders supporters really want is a Scandinavian‐​style social democracy, with its high level of wealth redistribution and income equality, they should consider that even some of the most socially democratic countries on earth are, in one crucial way, more capitalist than the United States.

The idea, Petro, is what's best for our people.
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And Mr Blue is right. Both, Norway and Sweden have a military with both also having an Army Reserve.
By Petro635 at 14,Feb,20 13:34 other posts of Petro635 
We spend more money, almost crazy money on our military. Because we want that benefit. People want to know were the free heath care money is going that other countries have. We spend it on the military. We spend money on lot of other things. We have FEMA every summer just about another hurricane will hit and people living along the beach area will get flooded out and we will spend more money trying to help them and most of that money is probably wasted. Look at Puerto Rico. The found wearhouses full of hurricane relief supplies rotten and all wasted. How about illegal people in the US. They generally take the low paying job they may or may not pay taxes. If they have kids we have pay for their education. They don't have a high number of illegals in Norway and Sweden that I hear about.

Look at how we spend our money in US vs Norway or Sweden. We have bigger house. So we probably spend a bigger percentage of our income on homes. They have smaller home because it more expensive so they can only afford a much smaller place. Because they spend more money on taxes I would say.

In the US everyones has a car because you need one to get around and go to work. We have spend our money and buy a car. So we can't spend that money on taxes to pay for national heath care. Their are probably so many little different thing that people are not thinking about or don't know because we don't live in Norway. They have great vacation times off. They get like 30 day off every year. That normal to them we work 70 hours a week take very little time off.

We would have live the whole Norway life style to have the same benefits or cut spending like the biggest one is our military. Who want to cut the military to same size as Norway ? That's no aircraft carriers and stealth bombers, probably no drones and probably no nuclear submarines.
By ANGEL1227 at 14,Feb,20 18:37 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Petro, if you look at this chart/website, you'll see that Norway spends more on everything.

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As far as the insane amount of money we spend on the military, I don't believe we have to. If we stop these non-ending wars, we could still have the same military but with much less cost. One to one Norway is pretty identical to the US including transportation (cars), housing, energy. The point is that they have better safety nets than the US.
You keep saying, "we have these costs so we can't get into more debt. I think that's false. It's backwards. If we have to spend more to help our people, then, by all means, spend less on military, encourage families to be more frugal. Stop crazy projects like building a useless wall on our southern border. Limit presidential campaigns to 6 months duration and only special public money be used to finance it. All candidates have the same amount.
By Petro635 at 14,Feb,20 20:37 other posts of Petro635 
Everyones should look at the list of prices for everything. I don't think people want or could even afford to live like that. A car it basically double the US price. Stuff like soda and cigarettes they tax crazy because it a direct cost to cover for Heath insurance.

Maybe other people will comment. I don't think people want to pay that much money to have a system like Norway. It would require a big change to your average American. Let's see who get elected as the next president and see if Americans like the idea.

By pnpspunstimd!k at 01,Mar,20 12:42 other posts of pnpspunstimd!k 
He fucking admitted it himself! WTF more "evidence" do you need!?!?!

By SrCums at 11,Feb,20 23:35 other posts of SrCums 
I'm NOT a right winger.. I'm a moderate. There is no such thing as a right wing that support the president. they are hired to pretend to be right but are left in term..

So if you look at it the dems are lying that a right wing exists. in the middle of the bird is the truth and pure morality.
By ANGEL1227 at 12,Feb,20 07:06 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Right winger? I said fucking swinger. I know your dick is "moderate"
By SrCums at 01,Mar,20 13:41 other posts of SrCums 
Hotpussy, 2warmtts, asshole, fucking bitch or any other name you use Trump will win in 2020.
You're so fucking dumb I can't believe it. You change your name because nobody even likes you here.. The country is being dragged into the mud from people like you.
By ANGEL1227 at 01,Mar,20 16:57 other posts of ANGEL1227 
People like me? More than half of the electorate feel like me. It's people like you that is ruining this country. People don't like me? You have a grand total of 2 friends and 17 people that have blocked you. I have this account since Feb 2 and already have 56 friends. Who's the asshole, dumb, fucking BITCH? Trump may or may not be reelected, but, either way you are a dirty little,,ah, BITCH for life. I consider it an honor not being liked by you.
So believe this: this dumb blonde believes the world would come out the winner if you would stop using oxygen.
By SrCums at 01,Mar,20 23:12 other posts of SrCums 

Nobody likes you here.. Beat it..

By uncut1944 at 12,Feb,20 09:47 other posts of uncut1944 
Trump has broken ever law under the Constitution, heís trying to take away pre-existing condition. Taking money from Medicare and Social Security, He loves autocrats and has slapped the leaders of the free world in the face. He accepts no blame but blames others. Hitler rounded up the Jews and Trump is rounding up anyone who does look like himself. Be careful of what you wish for Alice.
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By ANGEL1227 at 26,Feb,20 21:55 other posts of ANGEL1227 

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President Donald Trump on Wednesday placed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the US government response to the novel coronavirus, amid growing criticism of the White House's handling of the outbreak.

At a wide-ranging White House news conference, the President defended the White House's response, stressing the administration's ongoing efforts and resources devoted to combating the virus.
"Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said.
The President did not close the door to Senate Democrats' call for more than $8 billion in emergency funding for anti-coronavirus efforts, despite Democrats' dramatic jump from the $2.5 billion in total funding proposed by the White House.
"We'll spend whatever is appropriate. Hopefully, we won't have to spend so much because we really think that we've done a great job in keeping it down to a minimum," Trump said.

By phart at 27,Feb,20 16:12 other posts of phart 
Well, just who the hell would you rather be in charge of the situation? A man that is appointed by our President,or some flunky? I think Pence will do a fine job. We don't hear much out of him. Because he is busy doing what he was elected to, be second behind Trump.
I have always felt like term limits were in the best intrest of the country and it should stay the way it is.BUT at the same time, this past 3 years for Trump have been made very difficult for him to do what he was elected to do because of the losing parties constant harrasment. VERY unfair that has happened. Hopefully once he is reelected, the nay sayers numbers in congress will be reduced to a point they are simply crying babies in the corner of the room and Trump can get downt to FIXING things instead of beating back the hounds of the democrats.
By ANGEL1227 at 27,Feb,20 16:23 other posts of ANGEL1227 
I would have wanted someone that is, at the very least, a medical doctor. I want someone that tells it like it is and not be a yes man ass kisser to the president like Pence is.
The first two years of his presidency, Trump had control of the House and the Senate. He has packed the Supreme Court with conservatives. This last year he has the control of the Senate to block all legislation. He OWNS the Justice department. How much more does he need to "succeed"? Oh! Wait a minute, I know. He needs a regiment of SS troops to jackboot their way through dissenters. Maybe he can declare himself "El Supremo" for life.
By phart at 28,Feb,20 08:54 other posts of phart 
naw,don't need to be dictator or any troups.The dems need to get the hell out of the way for a while and let our country recover. The virus thing is going to really punch our economy hard and we don't need the Dems kicking it while it is down for more control
By ANGEL1227 at 28,Feb,20 09:53 other posts of ANGEL1227 
PHART, what does this country need to recover from and how many more years does Trump and the Republicans need to "recover"?
And, while we are at it, why should the dems (28% of the voters) move aside? Why not the repubs (also 28%)? Why not we all step aside and let the independents (41% of the voters) fix what, supposedly, both our parties fucked up?

By ANGEL1227 at 25,Feb,20 11:40 other posts of ANGEL1227 

Is anyone able to explain the "common law" marriage aspect as it relates to Canada? Google states common law marriages are not legal yet they are recognized IF you live together for 12 continuous months OR if you have a child/children together and there was a third OR. I guess what I am hoping to understand is; 1) can you claim your "spouse" on your income tax and 2) should the union dissolve, is there a possibility that alimony would be paid?

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By phart at 12,Feb,20 09:53 other posts of phart 
Ask a anti Trumper,how the country would be right now had another person got the election.I bet the answeres would be funny.
By ANGEL1227 at 13,Feb,20 11:15 other posts of ANGEL1227 
First, lets be honest and really describe the country in November 2016. What was so wrong with it? Why did we need to "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"?. By all accounts, we were on the good side of the line. I can't say how different the country would have been under another person as president, but, I don't think the country would have been so divided. I don't believe we would have had an impeachment. I believe corporations would be paying their fare share of taxes. I believe we would still be held as the greatest country in the world by friends and foes. If that's funny to you, then, I hope history treats you right.

By ANGEL1227 at 13,Feb,20 11:08 other posts of ANGEL1227 
And he keeps trampling the laws of this country. We have a monster and we are out of silver bullets.

By licksipsuckit at 09,Feb,20 00:24 other posts of licksipsuckit 
cant wait till he wins the next election, the impeachment just made him a certainty to win now... shows the other side has nothing to give but bad facts, bad attitudes and bad candidates.. that Pelosi woman is a waste a air, she needs retiring before she wastes any more money on this shit fight with no relevance to how America is run ... GO TRUMP .. *lix*
By ANGEL1227 at 09,Feb,20 11:57 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Lix, no relevance? America, the USA really, has never been run like this. He's making us out as the joke of the world. And what exactly has he done for this country? Fifty-one Senators admit he's guilty of committing what the articles of impeachment accuse him off and they are all too mch of a pussy to convict him. I am a Democrat so my views are biased but would a Reagan, any of the Bushes, Or any previous president have acted like he did and does?
Would Alfred Deakin have acted like this joke of a president? I bet not.
By licksipsuckit at 10,Feb,20 21:52 other posts of licksipsuckit 
our news reported he was impeached over rigging the election, so how does a ukranian, who doesn't get to vote at your election, make any difference to the outcome of the election. ??? our news also reported he was impeached on 'trumped up' charges, with no evidence, just a bunch of Hillary lovers with their knickers in a knot because he's a mans man, who just happens to love grabbing pussy. well good on him, l hope he gets more pussy to grab, and looking at his wife, he's got some seriously hot pussy to grab and fuck. l would still call that WINNING, as Charlie sheen would say. like l said before, we don't think he's a joke, but that women ripping up the papers, shes a joke, shes done nothing for your country but show the world she's not got laid for a LONG , LONG TIME *lix*
By ANGEL1227 at 11,Feb,20 09:39 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Lix, The actual impeachment was twofold. The most important is a fear by the founding fathers of the Republic. It's been around since the 1790's.

Trumpís alleged attempt to strong-arm Ukraine into smearing a political opponent fits well within this framework. Using the office of the president for personal political benefit comports with both the standard understandings of bribery and the broader category of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Voting Ukranians are not the problem (not possible).Trump tried to rig the election by getting dirt against an opposing candidate. Now, if he had gone to the Justice Department, a branch of the executive branch (the president) and asked the head of it to investigate the Bidens, he would have been ok. Congress had voted to help the Ukraine by granting money and materiel. This was a lawful order by Congress and the President had no authority to interfere. He did interfere. He withheld this help until the Ukrainian president agreed to investigate Biden Jr and the connection to his father, VicePresident Biden. This is unlawful action in the United States and qualifies under High Crimes and Misdemeanors as reason to impeach.
The second part of his impeachment is that he, in the best legal description of English Law, obstructed justice by not allowing witnesses to tell the truth or testify.
These were not trumped up charges. The transcript of the call to the Ukrainian president was actually released by THE WHITE HOUSE (Trump himself). He also, famously, a few weeks later, verbally asked the Chinese the same in a televised news blurb on the White House lawn.
He's not a man's man. Reagan was a man's man. Clinton was a man's man. Putin is a man's man. Obama is a man's man. This jerk buys his way through life on the money his daddy left him. I don't put down a man (or a woman either) for licking to grab pussy. I do put him down for not asking for permission first. I don't think you like to go to the supermarket and have the produce manager grab your snatch. I certainly don't and this is from a self described slutty whore. BTW, Hilary is a non-issue. It happened 3 yrs ago. When will it be time to let that one pass and actually have this jerk of a president own up to his fuck ups?
As far as Nancy Pelosi tearing his speech, well, there's no love lost between these two. Most people don't realize or know that in her position she's the 2nd in line to the presidency behind the VicePresident. As a legislator she has help pass many important legislation.

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As far as her getting laid schedule, well, I doubt it's any worse than Melania"s, Our First Whore Of The Land.
By licksipsuckit at 11,Feb,20 15:16 other posts of licksipsuckit 
mans man Clinton got a whole of pussy while in the whitehouse. they tried impeaching him for fucking the staff, this is just what most men in power do, and that was another waste of time.. Obama got the black vote, that's how he got in, riding on the coat tails of oprah and the actors guild. Reagan was an actor, he acted his way through his presidency, because you yankies love bullshit and pomp and ceremony, he played that part great. when you start electing actors as presidents, shows just how much the American people think about their country, gee, we wont get a politician to do a politicians job, we'll get an actor, who can pretend hes doing the job, and look good while he's doing it. at least now you have a business man at the helm, who can count and understands finance. get used to it, because you got another 4 years of this insane bitching to come, and no amount of barking in a tiny little forum at the back of one of the smallest sex sites on the net, will change that outcome. *Lix*
By phart at 11,Feb,20 16:25 other posts of phart 
It was shown during the impeachment hearings that newspapers and folks were saying they wanted to impeach Trump,even BEFORE he was elected.They hate him because they can't pull his puppet strings,there are none.Your tv down there tells more of the truth apparently than ours. Even the Ukrainian president said he felt no pressure. The dems just called the leader of a small country a liar.

By ANGEL1227 at 11,Feb,20 18:09 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Lix, I don't know how much exposure you have to Trump in your TV media. I suspect as much as we get from the land of the Koala Bear. Trump can hardly count, let alone comprehend economics. This genius of modern day finance and business, had six (6) bankruptcies. The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York. How the fuck do you bankrupt a casino? But, by any measure, the man is good at real estate deals. How this helps the country, it's hard to see. Maybe he can sell Alaska back to the Russians. When Reagan got elected, many people said what you've said, "A movie actor for President?". I did too even though I voted for him the first time. I thought Carter was a good man but the most ineffective president ever. The whole world flicked their nose at him. Reagan pumped up our military to the point it cause the old USSR to go bankrupt trying to keep up. And then he got Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall. Not bad for an actor. The current Jerk managed to get a golden shower in Moscow, spanked by Stormy Daniels, and get impeached. In this country the general public is easily led by catchy phrases and funny hats. The average citizen is ignorant where Thailand is at, Does not know were we send our kids to die (Afghanistan) Iran is a dark blob in some world map And Australia is a place where Crocodile Dundee wrestles crocodiles. Most people don't know that Puerto Rico is a US territory, let alone Guam, or the US Virgin Islands.
A few years ago, a very prominent Congressman sent a very strong worded letter to the governor on NEW MEXICO. He told the governor that US policy is not MEXICO"S business. NEW MEXICO has been a state since 1912. So, yeah, we do stupid things, like electing the current jerk. What we also have is the most educated, the biggest pool of scientists from all walks of life, the most Diversified economy and the strongest military. We come, or used to come to the aid of any country who was trampled by a bigger one. We are still the policemen of the world .
The Aussies contributed 7,672 Australian soldiers in Vietnam, 531 killed, 3000 wounded. The USA lost 58,220 trying to protect the world from the Communist menace. Korea was bad and the US fought in World war two to save the world from another nightmare. Even in Australia.
I won't get used to this jerk. Because in this country we accept the decision of the electorate, we suffer the outcome, but, we also have the right to bitch until we are raw in the throat. And if the jerk performs a high crime or misdemeanor, we want him impeached.
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Praise where praise is due Well spoken

By phart at 11,Feb,20 21:27 other posts of phart 
Well I hope Ludens still makes the Cherry cough drops because you may have to bitch for 4 more years!.

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By licksipsuckit at 11,Feb,20 22:30 other posts of licksipsuckit 
yeah. my point exactly *lix*

By phart at 09,Feb,20 09:35 other posts of phart 
I feel it will be a very tight race have hatred on both sides .The only way for sure it will be a landslide is if Bloomingidiotberg runs as a independant.
By ANGEL1227 at 09,Feb,20 11:59 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Whatever the results, as long as the campaigns are run honestly, then the choice of the people must be accepted. That's us, our way.
By phart at 09,Feb,20 16:45 other posts of phart 
I think someone called Putin to get the results of the Iowa caucus.The dummy Dems tried to use cell phones to handle something as immportant as their caucus. DUMB!
By ANGEL1227 at 09,Feb,20 16:50 other posts of ANGEL1227 
You got that right. Some smart college kid decided to play dungeons and dragons with the caucus. Well. Iíve seen worse.

By Petro635 at 22,Jan,20 22:02 other posts of Petro635 
If they don't remove Trump from office this time, will all the Trump haters stop ? Or will you come up with another fake story ?
By phart at 23,Jan,20 08:43 other posts of phart 
The Trump haters are meantaly unstable creatures.I fear a riot of huge proportions if they fail as they have no idea of how to move forward.Violence,mayhiem and confusion are the fuels to their fires.

By ANGEL1227 at 07,Feb,20 17:26 other posts of ANGEL1227 
It wasn't a fake story. The Senate agreed he did break the law. They just voted him not guilty.
I hope the House continues to investigate him. I hope the Democrats take the Senate in November.
It's funny how you people went after Obama, Hilary and Lisa Rise for years and now you complain when the shoe is on the other foot.
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He should never have been elected. He is a dishonest, crooked, really, president
By dgraff at 07,Feb,20 20:52 other posts of dgraff 
Iím a registered democratic but I have not voted for a democratic sense bill Clinton and I realize I made a mistake then I should have voted for Ross pero Iíve sense seen the light and Iím ashamed of my fellow democratic
By ANGEL1227 at 07,Feb,20 21:12 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Fine, Dgraff. Your view, your opinion, is important and valid to you and people who think like you. You might be surprised I voted for President Ford over Carter. I also voted for President Regan in his first presidential run. Since then, I found Republicanizm has hurt me and my family in two ways, economically and the endangerment of my sons dying in some God forsaken land.
Like I inferred, you have a right to your opinion. It's the way we are in this country. I also have that right.
One more thing. There are scores of Republicans who would make great presidents. It's the current jerk I have repugnance for.
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No argument I only wished I could have been the one smoking bill Clintonís pole in the Oval Office then I would be famous like Monica
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By ANGEL1227 at 08,Feb,20 08:45 other posts of ANGEL1227 
My reputation around here as a slutty whore prevents me from commenting much on Monica, but, Big Willie was being a man and she was the slut that made it happen. I did not know she's a business owner but I would have thought men would bring their private brand cigars to have them hand dipped in her private honey pot.

By phart at 08,Feb,20 18:29 other posts of phart 
More than likely back when you registered as a Democrat,it was a differnt party,different ideas.
Now it is a totaly different animal.
Ross pero was right about that big sucking sound,back then for sure. Monica and the big government,couldn't hear 1 for the other sucking!

By phart at 08,Feb,20 18:31 other posts of phart 
2 warm,show me a honest politician. Please,just 1. I doubt you could go back to George washington or ol Honest Abe and find 1 that didn't have skeletons in their closet.
I think 1 of the reasons ol Jimmy Peanut Carter was not regarded as a good president is perhaps he was a bit more honest than most.
By ANGEL1227 at 08,Feb,20 19:16 other posts of ANGEL1227 
You are right. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. The thing is, many politicians have bad habits but are honest and respectful of their office. They do or did the best they could. Look at Robert F Kennedy, Gen Dwight D Eisenhower. Franklin D Roosevelt. All cheated on their wives. Even today you have men like the late John McCain, A man among men. When I registered as a Republican I did so having heard John F Kennedy's say in his inaugural address, "Ask not what your country can do for you Ė ask what you can do for your country,Ē
And if you are asking about tough men in the oval office you won't find a tougher one than Lyndon Johnson. But I still thought that the Republican ideals were better than the democrats. I was a Republican still when I voted for Bill Clinton. I think what weighed heavy on my mind was the Iran/Contra affair and when I changed I never looked back

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By ANGEL1227 at 07,Feb,20 17:30 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Doesn't this proves what an ignorant and petty man he is? Isn't he supposed to be a president for all? Every top scientist has warned about climate change. This president can't even spell "climate".
It's so embarrassing to have him as a president.
By phart at 07,Feb,20 20:38 other posts of phart 
What Trump said about the mop and bucket is no more stupid that New york wasting billions on a wall to try to hold back the damn ocean. The great lakes are eating houses,and they are tiny compared to the oceans.
By ANGEL1227 at 07,Feb,20 20:57 other posts of ANGEL1227 
Tell that to the Dutch. The Netherlands have been holding back the Oceans for centuries using wall/dams. It works. It's not perfect but it allows us the time to find a better solution.
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Either way, you believe a PRESIDENT should be so uncaring of a major city of this country? If you do then your thinking prosses is flawed.
By phart at 08,Feb,20 18:35 other posts of phart 
Physics,you did take it in college right?
Think about a wall against the ocean the size required to hold back 100's of miles of ocean.Ok so if we built a wall for New york.Where does it start,where does it stop,and what stops the water from coming around either end? Build it all the way up to Canada and they would get flooded.Build it all the way around the texas border and the mexicans would get washed away. The wall would have no end until you got all the way around the US. Then,once it broke,the water could not escape,trapping us ALL.

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Trump used his emergency authority to circumvent Congress on the border wall. He thinks he's the KING
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Putins gun ready for a holster *lix*
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and you to can become a president *lix*
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By SrCums at 23,Jan,20 10:03 other posts of SrCums 
Did I forget to mention BJUK is a fake made by Hillary Clinton to spy on us Trump Lovers?.. He hates me because I love Trump and he's not even from this country.

By #601496 at 19,Jan,20 11:40
I'm listening to all the Democrats running for president. Every day I hear something good from one of them. It looks like the chief factor to elect one to be the standard bearer of the party will be if he/she can beat Trump. Because he's middle of the road and without socialist baggage I'm leaning towards Joe Biden. In any other election I would go for Sanders, Warren or Buttigieg. This time we can't afford to shun even one vote. Joe, you've got my vote......I think.

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What has this country done to suffer this joke of a president?

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Trump est un criminel suceur de bite
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By #596787 at 13,Jan,20 09:36
Bad news for those who don't like Trump is that Nigel Farage leaving UK to go and work on Trump 2020 campaign. Nigel singles handed got BREXIT done for UK and played a big party in Conservatives getting a landslide victory in 2019 election.
By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 11:09
That ok. We are getting Rowan Atkinson,,
By #596787 at 14,Jan,20 08:20
Unfortunately for you lot Rowan hates the left and it's efforts to end free speech and has publicly supported Boris Johnson.
By #601496 at 14,Jan,20 12:17
But funny

By Scorps at 13,Jan,20 19:31 other posts of Scorps 
Although I haven't heard of this, we will welcome him to the cause. That being said, it's gonna be a landslide victory regardless as the stupids have shown their true colors. Yeah, let's give the entire world free healthcare and education from K to infinity. Un huh, that's the ticket to a big fat loss!
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I won't mention trying to disarm law abiding citizens, putting 200,000+ people working for the power industry out of work, leagalizing infanticide, reparations, and getting rid of automobiles, airplanes, trains, and planes to name a few.
By phart at 13,Jan,20 20:00 other posts of phart 
Don't think it will be a landslide,it will be a snugger race than we want it to be as the libtards apparently aren't aborting all their spawn. And the cemetarys are vacant on election day as the walking dead go vote.

You know it is a sad,sick world when a admitted communist has a good chance of running as a democrat in 2020 USA.
A communist.Not just a liberal.
A true enemy of the state would be leading it if the libtards had their way.

By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 20:16
Between you and Phart, Trumpo is in like Flynn. If he wins, he wins. Obviously I would hate having Trumpo for 4 more years. Who knows, maybe heíll declare martial law and name himself ďEl SupremoĒ for life. You guys deserve that.
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BTW, Phart, in our country, even a communist has the right to run for office and remember, if he wins, the voters put him there.
By phart at 14,Jan,20 08:50 other posts of phart 
Like I said,it is a sick world when a communist can run for office in the US. Makes you wonder why so many folks hate it and want to be under the thumb of big government like Russia was for so long..Why ruin America? If you want to live in a communist country,MOVE
By #601496 at 14,Jan,20 12:19
Communism---a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production

Sure sounds like the Trumpo administration.

By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 18:22

People ask me, "Why not Trumpo? Give us a reason." There's more than one reason. There's over 15000 reasons. That's the number of lies he's told the American public since his first day in office. He's less believable than a used car salesman.
By Scorps at 13,Jan,20 19:01 other posts of Scorps 
So you say... His lies couldn't be any worse that claiming to have killed Osama Bin Laden OR Being born in the U.S. At least this guy's not dropping 150 billion U.S. dollars in cash to a terrorist nation that hates U.S. How fucking stupid is that!
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Oh! And as if anyone on this site gives a fuck about who YOU endorse... ROFLMAO 😄😆🤣😂 Keep dreaming! You've displayed enough hypocrisy to numb any mind with a modicum of brains.
By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 19:21
All 3 of those claims are false. You know it, the American public knows it,the world knows it. Regardless, it's old news, true or not. You Trumpo's supporters,every time an indefensible claim is made about this clown, fall back on the "Obama or Hilary" defence.
He did this, she did that, so laughable. Trumpo's been in office for 3yrs. When will he stand on his track record? Let me help you. The Iran-contra affair (Regan). Marilyn Monroe threesome (Kennedy brothers) Monica Lewinsky (the other Clinton).
By Scorps at 13,Jan,20 19:27 other posts of Scorps 
Riiight riiight! Your delusional and should seek help
By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 20:04
Thatís the other argument. If you canít defend him, attack the messenger. All of your protests are missing the elephant in the middle of the room. Why havenít you commented on his 15000+ lies?
By Scorps at 13,Jan,20 22:12 other posts of Scorps 
And what source are you citing? One that stated Hillary was our next President? OR A source that claimed the boys from Covington Catholic High school was shouting incendiary racially charged comments at an American Indian war veteran? OR The source that said the economy was gonna tank after Trump took office? Now which source are you citing for these supposed 15,000 lies? And do you expect ANYONE to believe those sources other than you?
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Let me guess... You win some and you lose some! Right? So what if they got some of that other shit wrong. 15,000 lies is ABSOLUTE truth this time. Wink wink
By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 22:40
You are not that stupid. That fake news shit lost itís luster a long time ago. You know the truth. Hmmm, on second thought, maybe you are that stupid. It doesnít matter. You not believing most of the worldís news services doesnít make it untrue. You are fairly young. I would love to know you 30 yrs from now and hear your opinions on Trumpo then.

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A breath of fresh air from the Trumpo era.
By Scorps at 12,Jan,20 15:39 other posts of Scorps 
Oh sure, why not condone MURDER.

It fits right in with the rest of the dimwitted liberal way.

Them poor criminals!
Society has cause most people to be criminals and therefore we should free them all. Let the drug peddlers AND users free (afterall, one is just pursuing free enterprise, while the other is just trying to cope from the pressures of an unfair society), thieves (Oh them poor thieves! Society is SO cruel), child molesters and traffickers (FREE them too, they are just looking for a better life in a better country), habitual drunken drivers (FREE them too, it's not their fault society has caused them to drink so much), MURDERERS... They should be FREED too, especially if they came from another country illegally, OR (my favorite) if they are Black (afterall, EVERYTHING they do wrong is SOLELY because of the white man). I could go on and on with the nutty shit you people want and say. But I'll spare the membership. Good luck getting that bullshit through, the Pres. will just stomp it out like the filthy roach of a law that it is. We will be set for a loooong time once he wins reelection, the pukes lose the house, and that not very impressive of an antique called Ruth Bader-Ginsberg dies or retires and the Don will be able to appoint yet another decent respectable judge. It's going to be another great year.
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After thinking on it for a moment. I just have to say... Your one of the BIGGEST fucking hypocrites to draw breath! Even moreso than the very politicians you love to laud over. So, you claim to be in the healthcare industry and your self righteous compassion is unmatched for your fellow man. Yet you condone murdering a child OR making some do as YOU see fit as long as it's something YOU believe in. That's some kind of fucked up, Your very being is SO immersed in hypocrisy it's disgusting! It's a wonder you can look at yourself in the mirror everyday. You speak of grandchildren as if you highly adore them, yet condone the very act that could have stopped them from existing. Pathetic!
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Next time a drunken dude who doesn't want to be a father punches her in the belly numerous times killing the unborn we should throw our hands up and declare oh well, no harm no foul, right!?
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 16:23
Next time a drunken dude who doesn't want to be a father punches her in the belly numerous times killing the unborn we should throw our hands up and declare oh well, no harm no foul, right!?
As usual, you missed the point. Getting punched by the drunken dude is not her CHOICE. You want to make it a murder vs a woman's right. Ok, I believe a woman should have the CHOICE to murder anything that's growing inside her. I say, "Get rid of the leech taking her life away."
HAPPY? And before you come crying it's against God's laws, let me remind you that you are all over the site trying to get or give a blow job. That is spilling your seed and half of that leech you think is so precious.
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You think I'm a hypocrite? How about you trying to deny affordable healthcare to that unwanted child? When was the last time you gave money for unwed mothers home? And, instead of getting your old lady prego, why didn't you adopt one of those unfortunate children? You and all the rest always think a pregnant woman that doesn't want to keep it got pregnant by being a whore or doing something wrong. Well,that's the hypocrite in YOU. Here's an idea. Let's create a tax of $100 per paycheck to go exclusively to the upbringing of unwanted children whose mothers are made to carry to term. Care to guess how many "upstanding" men and women suddenly will approve of abortion?
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The God damned fucking thing is that they scream NO ABORTION-IT'S MURDER, but every single city and town in this country has an opioid and meth problem. Kids can buy guns at 18. We go to war at every "ASS-OF-THE-WORLD" nation where our kids DIE. Did you get that? They die. Every major city in this country has children dying of hunger. Every city in this country has children that are being prostituted. All because this country, the best of the best, won't help. Ah, but I forget myself. Candy, you forget God's soldiers. The priest, cardinals, reverands, rabbies.and all those other "men of the cloth". You know them. The ones that fuck little children in the name of Jesus or some such?
These children would have been spared so much suffering if ASSHOLE MEN WOULD STAY OUT OF OUR VAGINAS UNLESS INVITED.
By phart at 12,Jan,20 19:07 other posts of phart 
You seem to forget,you were once a leech yourself.
If your mother had felt that way,you wouldn't be here.My mother lived a long time after I was born.My presence inside her did make some changes in her body BUT they were changes nature intended.It is called procreation.Or reproduce to carry on human kind to prevent extinction.
If murdering the baby 2 hours after it comes out of the chute is a crime,then it is a crime to kill it inside the chute.
The choice the woman made to allow herself the chance of getting a unwanted Leech as you call it,is the first bad choice she made.
The second bad choice was to be with a irresponsable male that has no interst in taking care of his creation.
The kid in there, kicking around,wanting out,can't speak for it's self.It's heart is beating,just like the mothers.It is another human being.It is not like taking your tonsils out like Elizabeth warren says. If you don't value a unborn child,how can you value a born child?

Inc3st,r@pe,and endangering the mothers life beyond any doubt should be the only reasons for the last resort of abortion to be a option.
Just because you got banged up when you fucked 6 guys and a donkey last month does not make it "ok" to go drop off the "leech" on the way to the shopping mall.That is murder.Period.
ANd HELL NO insurance should not cover abortion.That is no different than me calling the insurance company and saying,"Hey I want to pop a couple caps in some annoying neighbors,how much do you pay towards bullets?"

The real solution to the problem is taking responiablity for 1's actions.If a woman wants to fuck,fine,go tie the tubes or take a pill or get the 3 month shot. Ask a steady male partner to get his lines tied.Do something to eliminate the need for abortion in the first place.OR simply keep the zippers up and legs closed.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 19:38
And I rest my case. Itís the womanís fault. Sheís a whore. She should have taken more care, etc. Obviously you donít know that black and Latin men donít and wonít wear condoms. Female contraceptives need a prescription And what about the 16 yr old that is madly in love with some snot nosed kid and gets pregnant? You never met a mother with six kids who canít take care of another one? Did you go and adopt a child? Did you ever offer to pay for a pregnancy and the cost of an child until 18 yrs? You and your buddies all talk big and noble, but you have one finger in your ass and another in your mouth and switch them every 10 min. And thatís all you are good for. Big mouth like most males. Swinging your dick like Godís gift to women and talking that you know nothing about.
By phart at 12,Jan,20 20:57 other posts of phart 
Excuse me,BUT you need to reread the last paragraph.I Clearly state,OR ask a steady male partner to get his lines tied.I also said the second bad choice was a guy that didn't care. I DID not say it was all the womans fault,Reread. The men need to keep their zippers closed or up,I think you will find that mentioned up there about the zippers.

No I am not keeping up someone elses kids,I didn't make em,I aint feeding them.IF and that is a big if,I was ever married and the idea of raising a kid came up,I would go for adoption no problem.Less money out of pocket for health cost of my wife and less pain for her to go thru.And it gives a kid with little hope a chance.

You seem to advocate it is a womans right t be a whore. Whore perhaps,murderer,no.

Latin and black men don't wear condoms? Well, my goodness, the women need to bear that in mind when they part their legs don't they? "Um,If I don't want to pay for a abortion,I don't need to be fucking him".As for the 16 year old, well, if the parents didn't teach them,and the schools ran out of rubbers perhaps the male should go play bathroom bingo and get some condoms himself.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 21:28
Phart, do yourself a favor and re-read what Iíve wrote and then re-read what youíve wrote. Do it several times. Ask a friend to explain my post. Then, let me know what you think and provide the proofs of the things you think Iíve said.
By phart at 12,Jan,20 21:31 other posts of phart 
I know what you said,and I know what I said,I don't need to phone a friend!
We disagree.Alot on this issue.
Responsiablity for 1's actions is a dieing concept.
By Scorps at 12,Jan,20 21:52 other posts of Scorps 
You summed the WHOLE situation up very very nicely with that one statement. One she will NEVER understand. Ooops my dick slipped into your cunt and oooops the leach was brought to life. Personal responsibility for ones actions is faaar too big a concept to embrace. Funny part about it... THAT would damn near solve the ENTIRE abortion debate. Good job! 👏👏

In the mean time, we'll just keep expecting rational, civilized, responsible people to wipe their fucking noses for them and keep digging deeper giving more and more so that they can continue to live the life THEY want and fuck the responsible people.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 22:27
Scorps. You and your wife have six kids. You said before both of you wanted them. What if your wife gets pregnant again and she says to you, ďIím sorry Scorps, but I donít want to carry this one and I wonít. ď Where would your personal responsibility leave you?
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And why do you always say I wouldnít understand? Just because you think your way is the right way anyone who disagrees doesnít understand? I know what you are saying. I just donít agree with your way of doing things. Your way and my way are both possible solutions. You keep trying to define people that support a womanís right to choose as wanton, loose, scatter brain women who canít control themselves or their men. That doesnít say much for your respect of the female sex.
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Doesnít it say something that the US Supreme Court, in Roe v Wade agreed with the woman? Doesnít it say something that the majority of US women support pro-choose? Doesnít it say something that intelligent, law abiding members of government from both parties support pro-choose?

By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 22:43
Phart, you have a very poor concept of your fellow citizens
By phart at 13,Jan,20 09:01 other posts of phart 
I am sad to say,your concept needs some tweeking.
Life is not something to take lightly.
If you walk up to a pregnant mother,and check her heart beat,you will also find a second 1 down a bit lower.

I can't disagree that childern are born unwanted and abused everyday.That is another problem that needs fixing.
But time would fix it IF people would change their ways.
Condoms can be had at any service station.Just as you say it is a womans right to choose,I could say it is her right to choose if a dick goes in her covered or uncovered.UNLESS you condone r@pe by these folks that don't wear them of course,they should either comply with the request or go find someone else to fuck.
That is what is hard to understand.The woman does not have to have sex with a unprotected dick if she does not want to get pregnant.Unless she is being r@ped.In that case the male should be jailed.
As for the supreme court,all Roe verse Wade says to me is there was a bunch of hipee sympathizers in the court system at the time.IF you take a minute to read what I said above,I am prochoice in the sense if the woman was r@ped or 1nest or danger to her health is indicated she should have a choice of aborting.
Abortions can be dangerous to you know.
To be in the medical field,your lack of compassion for the unborn concerns me as to the authenticy of your compassion for the born.Do you unplug old people ,because they are leeches? Do you unplug someone with brain damage? I mean where does the lack of compassion for human life stop and start for you? Not trying to be a ass, just trying to understand here.
By #601496 at 13,Jan,20 09:57

I am sad to say,your concept needs some tweeking.
Life is not something to take lightly.
If you walk up to a pregnant mother,and check her heart beat,you will also find a second 1 down a bit lower.


I can't disagree that childern are born unwanted and abused everyday.That is another problem that needs fixing.
But time would fix it IF people would change their ways.


Condoms can be had at any service station.Just as you say it is a womans right to choose,I could say it is her right to choose if a dick goes in her covered or uncovered.UNLESS you condone r@pe by these folks that don't wear them of course,they should either comply with the request or go find someone else to fuck.


That is what is hard to understand.The woman does not have to have sex with a unprotected dick if she does not want to get pregnant.Unless she is being r@ped.In that case the male should be jailed.


As for the supreme court,all Roe verse Wade says to me is there was a bunch of hipee sympathizers in the court system at the time.

the court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a womanís constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (ďÖnor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of lawĒ).


IF you take a minute to read what I said above,I am prochoice in the sense if the woman was r@ped or 1nest or danger to her health is indicated she should have a choice of aborting.
Abortions can be dangerous to you know.


To be in the medical field,your lack of compassion for the unborn concerns me as to the authenticy of your compassion for the born.Do you unplug old people ,because they are leeches? Do you unplug someone with brain damage? I mean where does the lack of compassion for human life stop and start for you? Not trying to be a ass, just trying to understand here.


By #601496 at 07,Jan,20 21:29
I like Bloomberg. I like what he says about socialized medicine
By kebmo at 09,Jan,20 11:03 other posts of kebmo 
I will never understand why Americans don't want Medicare for everyone. I don't get the concept of selling your house for medical procedures.
I GLADLY pay more taxes for Medicare. A friend of mine just passed from breast cancer and she had the best possible care and paid nothing out of pocket for it.
I can go to any hospital and see any doctor in my home province of Alberta for any legitimate procedure and never pay out of pocket. If I'm elsewhere in Canada there's more paperwork but Alberta Health Care will pay.
By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 11:13
Keb, I don't either. The old argument that your wait time to see a doctor is too long doesn't wash. I have 3 specialists I go to every year. All three give me appointments a minimum of 3 months into the future. They get the same payment than a regular private insurer pays. So, why not? Charlie is on Medicare. I'm on private insurance. Both are handled by Blue Cross Blue Shield. The website is the same. the codes are similar. The contact phones are the same. The forms are the same. So what, except for billing purposes and government paperwork, is the difference?
By kebmo at 09,Jan,20 21:35 other posts of kebmo 
Just to clarify, if I see a specialist my doctor's office makes the appointment then the specialist calls me with a time and date. Alberta Health does not cover dental, prescriptions, glasses and some other things but if I had a heart attack it would cost me nothing except the medications I would take AFTER I leave the hospital.
I have never filled out any paperwork for payment purposes.
By Petro635 at 09,Jan,20 23:57 other posts of Petro635 
How are we going to pay for it ? Have you seen some of the number ? They say it will cost 34-52 trillion over 10 years. We have already spent 22 trillion more then we collect in taxes so far. So you must see the big problem we have.

Here is some simple math say national heath care is 4 trillion a year, from what I could find their are 155 million working people in the USA.

That's $25,806 per year in new taxes. Who has that kind of money. If anyone has different number let's hear them
By kebmo at 10,Jan,20 00:28 other posts of kebmo 
Then how come every other western country can do it but the US can't? Who is "they" that you quote this number from?
It is estimated that the province of Alberta spent $5,100 per Albertan on health care in 2018.
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No hospitals in Canada are designed to make a profit as apposed to American hospitals.
By Petro635 at 10,Jan,20 07:10 other posts of Petro635 
The people that want national heath care in USA don't know how much it will cost. They just like the idea. Elizabeth Warren cwho is pushing for it can't even tell us how much it will cost. The numbers are all over the place.

One reason we can't do so easy vs other countries we spend our money on other thing. The biggest would be our military. If USA want to keep be the super power of the world it cost money. Trump just said we sent 2 trillion more on the military. Their is part of our national health care money.

Doctors in the USA have to make a profit to pay for the medical school and the hospitals have to make a profit and the insurance companies have to make a profit. We have a lot of illegal citizens in the USA. If they go to hospital, we have to pay for them if they don't have health insurance.
By kebmo at 10,Jan,20 14:08 other posts of kebmo 
Petro635 you didn't answer my question.

Who is "they" that said it would cost $34-52T?

There are many examples in the Western World of how to pay for universal healthcare. It can be done.
By Petro635 at 10,Jan,20 17:50 other posts of Petro635 
They, are the people trying to find a number as to how much it will cost since the person say how good it will be won't saor can't give number because it to complicated to figure out. Yes is possible if we want to pay for it. All we have to do is cut spending on something else or raise taxes.
By kebmo at 10,Jan,20 23:49 other posts of kebmo 
Canada taxes the hell out of cigarettes and alcohol because ďtheyĒ are high users of health care.
I doubt that your number is correct.

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If the US population of 372M had healthcare for the same price as Alberta's per capita of $5,100 per year it would cost about $1.9T. Even if you double that it would still be less than $4T, nowhere near the $34-52T that "they" say.
By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 09:03 other posts of Petro635 
You can listen to this story or read it. I just played the audio. Elizabeth Warren is running for President and her numbers are 54 trillion to fund national heath care. But we are already pay for heath insurance today. So it would be 20.5 trillion more in taxes over 10 years. So an extra 2 trillion every year over what we are paying in taxes already. All we need to now is how many people in USA are actually working and paying taxes. Then we can just see how much more everyones will have to pay.

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By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 09:25
See my post below

By #601496 at 10,Jan,20 09:23
Medicare is costing the government about 600 billion a year. Three plus trillion more is not that much more. You say 155 million working people would shoulder the debt. Didn't you forget business taxes? How about the fact that Trumpo cut taxes for big business. How about that famous tax cut to all workers that was not supposed to raise the national debt? The U.S. is entering new debt levels more than a year after Trump signed a $1.5 trillion tax cut that decreased the top corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent. The legislation also gave most U.S. taxpayers at least a small break, although the largest benefits went to the wealthiest Americans
A tax cut of $1.5 trillion plus the crumbs for the average taxpayer. Simple math, friend.
BTW, Medicare is paid by the following
Medicare is financed by two trust funds: the Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund and the Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) trust fund. The HI trust fund finances Medicare Part A and collects its income primarily through a payroll tax on U.S. workers and employers. The SMI trust fund, which supports both Part B and Part D, receives most of its income from the federal governmentís general fund because premiums only cover about one-quarter of this fundís costs. Part C, on the other hand, is paid for through both the HI and SMI trust funds and collects its income from a combination of the general fund, payroll taxes, premiums paid by beneficiaries, and out-of-pocket charges.
These trust funds were specifically established to pay for Medicare. Medicare for all would include the rest of the population. I would gladly vote to cut our military spending to help out. Your Trumpo ran on promises to get us out of these forever wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are still waiting. In the meantime he cuts corporate taxes. Smart.
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The U.S. government's public debt is now more than $22 trillion ó the highest it has ever been. The Treasury Department data comes as tax revenue has fallen and federal spending continues to rise. The new debt level reflects {{{{{{{a rise of more than $2 trillion from the day President Trump took office in 2017.Feb 13, 2019}}}}}}
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And last but not least. This country is rich with wealth. We are a country of the people, by the people and for the people. Yet, many of it's citizens are willing to have our population suffer hunger and pestilence in the name of the almighty dollar. I say, "Quit bitching about our social programs like Medicare, Social Security, Food Stamps, Unemployment Insurance and Socialized Medicine. Find a way to pay for it instead of being SO NEGATIVE."
By phart at 10,Jan,20 09:41 other posts of phart 
Ok,I ask,give us some ideas how to pay for it.That won't take away the incentive for investers to continue investing,like not being able to profit from their investments. A way to pay for it that won't rob the average workers paycheck any more than it already is,again,taking away incentives to work.
Just asking for actuall ideas here.Politicians pushing for this cradle to grave can't explain how to pay for it,and I can understand why,they are dumbass puppets of the Soros and liberal wealthy people that hide their money in foriegn lands.
By #601496 at 10,Jan,20 10:00
The controversial Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, signed by President Donald Trump in December 2017, lowered the corporate tax rate to 21 percent from 35 percent, among other cuts. Thatís partly to blame for giving corporations an easier way out of paying taxes, said Matthew Gardner, an ITEP senior fellow and lead author of the report. The new corporate tax rate ďlowers the bar for the amount of tax avoidance it takes to get you down to zero,Ē he said.

Published ó April 11, 2019
YOU PAID TAXES. THESE CORPORATIONS DIDNíT. Inc.ís U.S. profits before taxes were $10.8 billion in 2018, made by shipping everything from womenís cocktail dresses to toilet paper. But unlike its millions of customers, the company paid no taxes in the United States last year and said it was owed $129 million. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

About twice as many of the largest U.S. companies reported they didnít owe taxes in 2018 compared with previous years, a partial result of the 2017 Trump tax law, according to a report.

You paid taxes. These corporations didnít.
ĎI donít see that being fairí
We pay all required taxes
Profits: Half a billion. Refund: $342M
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Taxpayers are scrambling to make last-minute payments due to the Internal Revenue Service in just four days, but many of the countryís largest publicly-held corporations are doing better: Theyíve reported they owe absolutely nothing on the billions of dollars in profits they earned last year.

At least 60 companies reported that their 2018 federal tax rates amounted to effectively zero, or even less than zero, on income earned on U.S. operations, according to an analysis released today by the Washington, D.C.-based think tank, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The number is more than twice as many as ITEP found roughly, per year, on average in an earlier, multi-year analysis before the new tax law went into effect.

Among them are household names like technology giant Inc. and entertainment streaming service Netflix Inc., in addition to global oil giant Chevron Corp., pharmaceutical manufacturer Eli Lilly & Co., and farming and commercial equipment manufacturer Deere & Co.

The identified companies were ďable to zero out their federal income taxes on $79 billion in U.S. pretax income,Ē according to the ITEP report, which was released today. ďInstead of paying $16.4 billion in taxes, as the new 21 percent corporate tax rate requires, these companies enjoyed a net corporate tax rebate of $4.3 billion, blowing a $20.7 billion hole in the federal budget last year.Ē To compile the list, ITEP analyzed the 2018 financial filings of the countryís largest 560 publicly-held companies.

The following is a list of the countryís largest publicly-held profitable corporations that paid no federal income taxes in 2018 on billions in U.S. income, according to ITEP analysis of 560 companies. ITEP reports U.S. income before federal taxes, and takes into consideration paid state and local taxes, which could reduce or increase U.S. income. The report does not look at total tax provision, a number that could include foreign taxes and deferred taxes. All figures, except for tax rate, are in millions.
The identified companies were ďable to zero out their federal income taxes on $79 billion in U.S. pretax income,Ē according to the ITEP report, which was released today. ďInstead of paying $16.4 billion in taxes, as the new 21 percent corporate tax rate requires, these companies enjoyed a net corporate tax rebate of $4.3 billion, blowing a $20.7 billion hole in the federal budget last year.Ē To compile the list, ITEP analyzed the 2018 financial filings of the countryís largest 560 publicly-held companies.

I say, "Remove all loopholes from corporate income taxes. Bring the rate back to 35%. Have all recipients of Medicare for All pay a modest monthly amount except for hardship situations. Regulate medical procedures (price equality) and open medication to generics and out of country meds and regulate costs of development and profit.
By phart at 10,Jan,20 13:16 other posts of phart 
regulating cost reduces quality of care.Your care would be reduced to minimum to reduce pain.I am willing to bet hip surgery on someone over 65 would be reduced or eliminated for example. Why fix a old person when you can fix a tax payer would be the idea behind it.Not saying it would happen but regulating cost,regulates profit and doctors don't like to work for nothing,can't pay thier college debts and oh my gosh,might have to drive a chevy. After a while people would see doctors not living any better than trash truck drivers and would not bother going to medical school.
Not saying I don't agree at all with what you are saying.
As far as mdicine,if there is a way to make sure it is quality and we would be getting what we are paying for,I am all for getting it from the cheapest source.It would reduce cost alot because it would prompt competition.

It is also my understanding that insurance is territorial. I would say fix that to open up competition as well.THere are ways to reduce cost,but gouging our industry and investors and high end tax payers can backfire.
By #601496 at 10,Jan,20 13:36
Regulated costs doesn't have to be a bad thing. A doctor should expect to be paid well for a procedure. I meant that a procedure should costs the same in Alaska as in Florida. No one wants a doctor to drive a chevy. I just think that driving a Lamborghini is a bit too much. You also forget that life goes on. What does it mean? It means that 12 months after an adjustment like this,it'll be business as usual but under new rules.Medicare was established in the Johnson administration. Did it stop the world? No.
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One more thing. Charlie takes Eliquist because he has atrial fibrillation. Without insurace he would have to pay $480 for a month's supply (60). With insurance it's $ 43. Charlie has family in Argentina. The same medication costs about $6. We are getting ripped off.

By Petro635 at 10,Jan,20 18:03 other posts of Petro635 
I think you forgetting something about Corporate taxes. All they will do is pass the price onto the product they sell. So you will pay for that tax.

Another thing corporation can move. If the tax is to hight they can just move to another country and now you don't get any taxes. You can't force people to do something just because YOU want something for free. You can go and help but food for anyone you think needs help. You can give your money to anyone that needs help. You can do lots of things to help people yourself. If you can figure out how to pay for national heath care and it's reasonable he might go with your idea.
By #601496 at 10,Jan,20 18:40
It's not free. Taxes, my taxes and yours and corporations taxes are paying. Right now Medicare pays about 80% of medical cost. The other 20 is your responsibility. That's why they have part C. You pay $130 a month out of your retirement pay and it works like private insurance. Something similar can be instituted. After all, isn't private insurance provided by your employer costing you two or three times as much?. Going back to corporate taxes. If the corporation raises it's prices, it's not automatic that customers Will buy their products. Competition will out a costly product. It's all give and take. How about if a corporation moves out of the country, we double it's import duties. They won't be competitive. They won't want to loose this market. You forget that companies are here to sell their wares, not play the tax game.
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And your argument is flawed. After all, aren't we, now, paying for the taxes a corporation pays today? A few hundred thousand dollars more divided by a million customers is less than a buck.
By Petro635 at 10,Jan,20 22:51 other posts of Petro635 
I don't think your average American would vote for national heath care. The government never get the correct numbers on the real cost of stuff. Here is old story about Elizabeth Warren plan. They are saying 54 trillion dollars over 10 years and we would need 20 trillion in new taxes to make it work.

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We can't even pay the 21 trillion national debt currently. How are we going to pay for an extra 20 trillion for national heath care ? If we could or would pay down the current national debt I would say it's possible. We as Americans don't want to even balance the budget yet.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 07:13
Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. The national debt is like a mortgage on your home. You owe hundreds of thousands but you pay a small monthly portion. You still can buy a car, go on vacation, and go out to dinner. You can tax your employer every year (ask for a raise) for an increase. Americans are not the only ones that carry a deficit. Blame Congress (Republican controlled most of the time) for not passing a law that requires a balanced budget. Look at this.

Beginning with the 1998 budget year, during his second term, the federal government ran a yearly budget surplus through FY 2001. During the Clinton administration, there was an official surplus of $419 billion during fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.

Also, National Health Care does not have to be voted on. Congress can pass one or more bills to create it. The voters did not vote for Social Security, Medicare, or Obama Care.

It can be done. There'll have to be some adjustments. The insurance companies will have to be included as they are the most knowledgeable. Assurances will have to be made to healthcare providers that they wouldn't be financially hurt. But, when everything is said and done, can anyone really be against warrantied affordable health care for all?
By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 08:41 other posts of Petro635 
If we were actually paying down the national debt a little bit every year, just like a mortgage. I would agree with you. We could then say let's all pay more and have national heath care. If the number of 20 trillion more in taxes is correct for 10. It pretty simple math. 20 trillion by 155 million. That's $129,000 more in taxes over 10 years for each person or $12,900 per year

If you have different numbers put them on here. Can you afford to pay your share of the 20 trillion, $12,900 that's what it will cost this year in more taxes.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 09:21
Baby, these are some numbers from the
Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
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How Much Will Medicare for All Cost?
FEB 27, 2019 | HEALTH CARE

Senator Sanders's 2017 legislation would cost the federal government $27.7 trillion through 2028 assuming steep provider cuts and $32.1 trillion assuming no provider cuts (these estimates, like most others, assume immediate implementation).Importantly, these totals represent the increased cost to the federal government, not the change of total national health expenditures. National health expenditures would likely change by no more than a few trillion dollars over the decade. The direction of that change is unclear and would depending on the whether the increased cost of expanding coverage (by making health insurance more generous and offering it to more people) is larger or smaller than the amount saved from lower provider payments, drug payments, and administrative spending.

The totals also do not represent debt impact, which would depend not only on the cost to the federal government but also on any funds the government might choose to raise through premiums, taxes, or both. For example, Senator Sanders's campaign plan included roughly $11 trillion of tax increases, which could fund more than one-third of Medicare for All.

"expenditures would likely change by no more than a few trillion dollars over the decade"

By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 11:35 other posts of Petro635 
It says 28-32 trillion

Did you see were it says the number would be an INCREASE COST to federal government

Importantly, these totals represent the increased cost to the federal government, not the change of total national health expenditures. National health expenditures would likely change by no more than a few trillion dollars over the decade. The direction of that change is unclear and would depending on the whether the increased cost of expanding coverage (by making health insurance more generous and offering it to more people) is larger or smaller than the amount saved from lower provider payments, drug payments, and administrative spending.

By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 11:42 other posts of Petro635 
Did you forget to include this part of the info from same website. TRIPlING PAYROLL TAXES or MORE THEN DOUBLING ALL OTHER TAXES

While any new revenue would in part be replacing current premiums, identifying pay-fors still remains a challenge. Enacting this type of Medicare for All would mean increasing federal spending by about 60 percent (excluding interest), and financing a $30 trillion program would require the equivalent of tripling payroll taxes or more than doubling all other taxes.

Supporters of Medicare for All should work to identify new revenue, premiums, and/or spending cuts to finance new federal costs or else scale back their proposal if they are unable to identify sufficient funding.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 12:01
Petro, I gave you all I've got. You still want to put your own spin on it. Ok. You are right and a bunch of economists are wrong. When we get socialized meds, make sure you opt out. We know you don't have those thousands of dollars to pay for your healthcare. I sincerely hope you have a very, very healthy life. Bye.
By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 13:13 other posts of Petro635 
Those are from the same website you got your info from. You keep posting all the negatives Trump stiff. For some reason you don't think you could wrong also. So just like last time, you can vote your opinion and that all. So let see who the people vote for again. It like you don't want to see the info other people show you. If you want answer a simple question just say how you are going to pay you share of the cost. Don't try and put it off on corporations. You want national heath care . You better be willing to pay for it.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 13:15
Last I checked the IRS takes 14% less deductions from my payroll check. If it changes I'll rethink it.
By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 19:20 other posts of Petro635 
It will changes if you want national heath care. They will have to triple your current rate.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 19:31
Petro, I don't believe that.
By Petro635 at 11,Jan,20 21:18 other posts of Petro635 
I'm not sure why you don't believe it. It's on the Committee for a Responsible Federal Government website.

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By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 21:18
Fake news

By admin at 11,Jan,20 12:14 other posts of admin 
Good point. Most of people do not realize that most of technologies and drugs that are used today in government subsidized medicare systems all over the world were actually developed for profits in USA.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 12:55
So true
By phart at 12,Jan,20 09:29 other posts of phart 
To think that government run health care and the national debt are seperate is wrong.All taxes and social security goes into the governments bottomless pitt of money to waste.
The politcians pay for their states piss ant testicale museums and bridges and your health care all out of the same pot of public money.So health care would run up the national debt.
IF you owe a house payment,and that bank goes tits up,they expect their money in full. So it is not impossiable for other countrys to want their money.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 10:03
First, everything the federal government or any government down to a city government pays for, they do so with tax money collected, but, there are quirks. Today's Social Security payouts are funded by the payroll deductions of TODAY'S PAYCHECKS. The money you pay b4 retirement went to pay retirees checks at that time.
If the bank repos your house they have the local sheriff to throw you out of your house. How many countries you think would dare go to war with us over a monetary debt?--------------------------------------- added after 2 minutesSecond. If your Congressman votes for too much PORK, vote him out. We are, supposedly, a democracy even though Trumpo wants us to call him "EL SUPREMO"

By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 07:47
While I like Blumberg, I'm not totally ready to vote for him. Besides the economy (it's the money, stupid), health care is my biggest concern. We know Trumpo's plan (pay for it, deadbeat). I wanted to see how the other candidates stood on it. Joe Biden could be the Democrats choice so I checked him out. This is as of July.
Democratic front-runner Joe Biden on Monday unveiled a health plan thatís intended to preserve the most popular parts of Obamacare ó from Medicaid expansion to protections for patients with preexisting conditions ó and build on them with a new government-run public insurance option.

Biden would also empower Medicare to directly negotiate drug prices, allow the importation of prescription drugs from abroad and extend tax credits to help tens of millions of Americans buy lower-priced health insurance.

The plan ó which the campaign says will cost $750 billion over a decade, to be paid for by reversing some of the Trump administrationís tax cuts ó is less transformative than the ďMedicare for AllĒ proposal advanced by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and supported by some other Democrats, which would effectively do away with private insurance and shift all Americans to government-run health coverage.
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I always thought that building on Obama-Care was the best way to go. Fixing the problems and expanding coverage makes sense. It's also less expensive. Let's see how the other candidates refute the numbers.
By Scorps at 12,Jan,20 07:57 other posts of Scorps 
Now you wanna tell me and many many other's what kind of insurance we should have... What are you, a fucking commie? How about me telling you to go live in a tent and ride a bicycle to any and everywhere you want to go. How about that! What! Don't like being told what you SHOULD do or have? Me either! I happen to like my/our insurance and you NOR anyone else should be allowed to dictate what I or anyone else should or shouldn't have (within reason), PERIOD!
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 08:02
Wife didn't give you any last night? Sheesh!
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Regardless, if you have insurance through your employer, you are part of the Obama-Care system. Almost all candidates have stated they would support the option for a person to keep their private insurance. Let me ask you, "If you get laid off or get fired or your employer closes, how would you afford to get health insurance for you and your family today? You and like minded people always think about yourself. You make it personal,but you don't take into account the less fortunate. People who are out of work or working for an employer who won't pay a portion of health insurance. You are lucky not to have to think about that so how about thinking about these fellow citizens?
BTW. It's personal for me. My youngest son works for a small(17 employees) but very successfully IT firm. He makes good money and gets good treatment but his boss, the owner, refuses to pay for insurance. My son can only afford insurance for him. My daughter-in-law and my grandkids are un-insured. So, baby, I'm not dictating to you what insurance to buy. Frankly, I couldn't care less if you were dying outside an ER and refused treatment because of insurance issues, but I like to take some responsibility for the betterment of my fellow citizens. That equates to loving my country.
By phart at 12,Jan,20 08:24 other posts of phart 
I am really going to piss some folks off but I have read and heard so much about health care I am just going to speak my mind. Politely of course.

Health insurance.
WHy is it so exspensive?HUm,could it be that it is expected to pay for things not life saving? Like for example,a couple decides to have 3 kids and insurance has 3 more people to pay for? Something that was NOT a accident,not needed,nor anyone's elses responsiablity.1 child covered, the rest are the parents responseabilty.
And while i am at it,let the parents cover ALL education cost from preschool thru college for child 2 thru infinity.I bet parents would think twice about spitting out 6 kids if THEY had to bear the cost instead of the whole damn country.Just think,the money wasted on education, could be spent to help those with serious medical issues without being a burden to anyone.

Insurance should not be expected to cover child birth,abortion or birth control.Keep your legs shut and your zippers closed.
Insurance should not cover cost of sex changes. Be happy with your plumbing or pay to change it yourself.

Smoke,you are on your own.
Drink,you are on your own.
Do drugs,you are on your own.
Your bad habits are NOT the rest of the worlds problems,they are YOURS and YOURS alone.So pay for it.

I could go on.And I understand there has to be meeting in the middle on things.I am just giving you the extreme end of my feelings on this subject.I don't feel my ideas are any more radical than the idea of health care for all,deadbeats included.

I lost my 80-20 coverage,it is now 70-30 and my copays are double thanks that asshat Obama and his big idea. Why should I loose coverage so some dope head gets his treatment paid for ,for the 27th time? It aint working,so ditch the bastard to the curb.And yes,I do personaly know a man,would have been in my graduating class,that has been to drug rehab,at government exspense at least 27 times.prison twice and so on.
He aint your problem,nor mine,but we spend on him anyway.Anytime a fellow will put a gun to his mothers head to get her diamond ring that his dead father put on her finger just he could pawn it to get drugs,does not need nor deserave public help,he deserves a kick to the curb.Next time the bastard od's, maby it will be his last.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 08:48
Phart, you got screwed. I don't know how or why. By the same token, my husband, Charlie, was given disability 15 yrs ago. He has what you call the 80-20 coverage (Medicare A&B). His Medicare part C costs him $130 per month. I still work, but, I retired early at 62. I still have my employer insurance. Everyone complains about healthcare but no one wants anything done about it.
Phart, If you pay for medical insurance, why shouldn't you be able to claim as many births or other visits to the hospital? Why not get coverage for boob enhancements? When many countries in the world, many our enemies, pay completely for education including college, why should this country be second best? And the dopehead, let him die?
With all due respect, and believe me I'm very sorry for your situation, I believe you are so bitter you want others to suffer your suffering.
By phart at 12,Jan,20 09:11 other posts of phart 
No no,I want others to understand that biasing the system to cover those that DONT work,never worked and so on to get help,at the exspense of those that have tried to take responsiablity for themselves is WRONG.
Paying for health insurance, lets se you pay 130 a month.that is,1560 a year,62,400 for 40 years coverage.
Average heart attack cost what?,lets see ,let me copy and paste this.

"Heart attack hospitalizations cost a median $53,384 and strokes cost $31,218, according to the study. ... Neither study factored in additional costs following hospitalization, such as loss of productivity from missing work or ongoing medical care and drugs, "
You know far better than I do those figures are small.But that is what was handy from google. So your roughly 64,000 dollar investment would barely cover 1 heart attack.Granted,your employer is paying some towards it as well.BUT still, unless the intrest rate is high,the insurance company is not making alot of money.
BUT the insurance company, is not just spending money to cover your work- stress related heart attack,it is also having to pay for little 12 year old Johny's hormones because he woke up last week thinking he was a girl.It is also having to pay for some idiot od'ing on drugs ruining his kidneys and liver.
Insurance companys could easly declare bank ruptcy and leave us all hanging at that rate.

I say get the medicine from where ever is cheapest.
Don't the pro abortion people say,"My body my choice" Let's borrow that missinformed idea a minute and apply it somewhere it makes sense.
Fine,your body,choose to buy medicine where you want to.

The dopehead I spoke of,,if that thievin' bastard od's,and falls over in the woods behind the shed his brother lets him sleep in,well,he created his own fate.I doubt the buzzards would eat him,he is so full of impuritys the maggots and ants would probably barricade themselves away from him.His body is probably so pickled it would lay in state to be found a 1000 years from now prompting a rewrite of history as they knew it.
By #601496 at 12,Jan,20 09:56
But, Phart, that's the nature of insurance. A small portion of the population would get a heart attack per year. Insurance works that way. Everyone pays for you today. Tomorrow it might be me or your Aunt Frumpy. The dopehead is there due to other social program, but, like it or not, he has to be helped. You say the insurance company makes small profits but they diversify. The premiums they take in got to finance other projects that bring in huge profits.

By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 18:50
Australia is burning. The people and the fauna and flora are dying.
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If you can help, do so

By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 10:58
In 2016 I swore to anyone that would listen that this joke of a president, Trumpo, would not be elected. I said that nobody in their right mind would vote for him. I GUESS THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF CRAZIES.
By Scorps at 11,Jan,20 16:41 other posts of Scorps 
YOU'RE a prime example sorry to tell you...
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 16:46
You are not sorry. You are just expressing that nursery rime, "Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but names will never hurt me."
You must be one of the "crazies" I mentioned.

By #597069 at 10,Jan,20 08:19
I thought SYC / SYD was a place to get to know people who love sex and the human body. This is not a political platform to discuss politics. Do it on twitter or Facebook
By #601496 at 10,Jan,20 09:06
Or, here's a novel idea, go to another thread. Or, as you've done, blacklist me and then you can keep looking at your precious dick collection.

By phart at 10,Jan,20 20:31 other posts of phart 
We are all over 18 and can talk about what ever the heck the administrator of this site lets us.
Move along to another thread and enjoy life to the fullest.No need to get your drawers in a wad over 1 thread or another.
Besides,have you ever tried to discuss politics on craigslist community or whereever? Bunch of assholes that can't get along 4 minutes.
This bunch can talk it out,argue,blacklist,cuss whatever,and still get along to a point. There honestly seems to be more intelligence here than on other platforms.
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By kebmo at 11,Jan,20 01:06 other posts of kebmo 
Why Buck, are you telling us what we can and can not discuss here? OK we'll all abide by your rules. Sorry.
By Scorps at 11,Jan,20 01:53 other posts of Scorps 
Isn't that the liberal way? It's their way or no way... STFU and do as I say! I'm pretty sure he's just acting normally.
By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 08:33
Really? What do you make of:
The Laura Ingraham Show
The Rush Limbaugh Show
The Sean Hannity Show
The Mark Levin Show
The Savage Nation
The Lars Larson Show
The Alex Jones Show
The Ben Shapiro Show
The Buck Sexton Show

All good "liberals"

By #601496 at 11,Jan,20 08:35
KEBMO,The h.ell we will. First, this is an open forum. It's a thread I started. Buck can kiss my money maker. You say what you want to say, not what someone else says.

By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 20:14
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By Petro635 at 07,Jan,20 23:06 other posts of Petro635 
Trump will win again. Nobody wants to pay for everyone else stuff. We can't even pay our 22 trillion national debt. The Trump impeachment is not looking good for the second time. It looks like it all political because they don't like Trump.

My 401k retirement is doing great with the economy.

If people like paying for other people stuff, I just want to remind everyone you can write a check to IRS anytime you want. So who writing a check ? Let me guess no one want to give away their money
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 10:23
Define everyone else's stuff. We all pay taxes inn one way or the other and we all benefit from it. Do you advocate the food stamp be eliminated? Would you like for this country's poor to go hungry? Maybe you want Social Security be eliminated? After all, today's recipients get paid directly from your current payroll check deduction. How about Medicare?
I'm glad your 401k is doing great, but thank the central bank and Obama era economic principles that have been in effect since 2014.
The national debt is just that, a debt. We can default just like many other countries. So what? And remember, it's so high because of this administration.
I think you've been given a bunch of crap to repeat like a parrot. I bet you think any negative stuff about the Prez is fake news.
By Petro635 at 08,Jan,20 23:48 other posts of Petro635 
If we default on national debt we can't pay for anything. Without someone giving us money we don't have any to spend. So everything will be shut down. No Medicare or food stamps. So we can't default on the 22 trillion we owe.

You don't see Trump getting in office and now having the lowest unemployment rates and best economy. Look what Apple Computer did with that boat load of money they had in Ireland. When Trump lowered the Corporate Tax Rates. Apple paid the taxes on all the money they had and brought it in the USA. That was all Trump.
By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 07:55
You are right about defaulting but the feds can slow down payments and the rest of the world would continue to fund the US. Now read this.
d and the economy contracted 2.5 percent in 2009.

The Obama administration then confronted the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression when it initially took office. It passed a massive stimulus package in February 2009 to jumpstart the economy ó and it was successful. The Congressional Budget Office said in a report that GDP growth was higher from 2009-2012 in part due to the package.

Trump has benefited from Obama's economic stewardship, as GDP growth under his watch has consistently been between two to three percent. In 2018, it was 2.9 percent. Economic forecasters, however, expect the nation's steady GDP growth to slow down in 2019, dragged down by trade tensions and weaker growth overseas.

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I see some good with a whole bunch of bad and that bad is other stuff than what happens to your pocket.
By phart at 09,Jan,20 09:58 other posts of phart 
Trump recently removed a couple powerful folks from Iran that have stirred up terrorist plots and such.
Oil bounced up a few dollars for a couple days. Now look at the recent figures.
Price Change
2020.01.08 - $ 59.61 -3.09 -5.18%
1 Year Forecast
$68 / Barrel
That is a 3 dollar a barrel drop in 1 day.
That means the oil industry has confidence in Trumps abilty to handle the situation.Yes, Chevron and other companys have pulled their workers out of that area as their lives are important.But the MONEY investors, are not worried.
And if the big money is not worried,we as a people should not worry.
By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 10:40
All it means is that the oil industry believes there wont be a major conflict that would slow down oil shipments from the Middle East. None of this would have happened if The Joker had not assassinated Qassem Soleimani. He over-reacted without major cause as many in intelligence have said. You keep believing in your messiah. I believe he's the Antichrist

By kurac at 09,Jan,20 10:57 other posts of kurac 
It can happen. It is a horror for the whole world and the
USA, of course. The main reason for this possibility is the
bizarre election law. The looser becomes the winner!
A fourth world country with this law...
By #601496 at 09,Jan,20 11:42
It's so true. In order to be fair and give every state a chance to have a say so the founding fathers have created the opposite.

By smallcockboy at 08,Jan,20 12:17 other posts of smallcockboy 
I think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread.
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 12:19
I get your point but, I like FRENCH baguettes.

By Scorps at 08,Jan,20 21:35 other posts of Scorps 
From the mouth of babes! 😍 WTG SmallCockBoy Only difference... He's not even close to being as soft and mushy as said bread. 😉
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 22:11
I don't know. To me, he's toasted.
By phart at 09,Jan,20 09:59 other posts of phart 
Yea,lay a peice of fresh bread on the table along side a peice of toast, and see which 1 lays there the longest before it becomes unusable! You just complimented Trump in a round about way.
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By PensionersPenis at 08,Jan,20 18:20 other posts of PensionersPenis 
Trump scares me........and I live in Ireland. We have toilet paper with Trump's face on it .........that shows what we think of him........but hey it's fake news right?
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 18:32
In my lifetime I've had the pleasure of having a sane, honest
President 10 times and a crazy, dishonest 1. Hopefully not for long.Trump is scary. He can, literally, destroy the world.
By phart at 08,Jan,20 20:20 other posts of phart 
Yes,all our presidents for the past 50 years have had a set of buttons they can mash to make things go kaplooy.
BUT Trump Loves life,pussy and money to much to want to distroy the world or himself.So why would he?
Now if little Rocket man some of them folks over yonder over the oil puddle take a notion to bump the button they could wipe us all out.Trump is not the only 1 with the power to take out moma earth. ANd he is the least likely to use it of all the world leaders right now.BUT he is letting them think he would use it.
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 20:37
The UK, France, Israel, China, Russia, India, Pakistan and us have nuclear weapons considered intercontinental ballistic types. IE, they could reach and destroy large parts of the USA. N Korea is trying to be part of this group but I don't think they'll be allowed. NO ONE ELSE CAN HURT US. I'm scared because this president's reasoning powers are very poor. He might convince himself that applying our awesome military power will not be reciprocated in a deparate revenge attack.

By Scorps at 08,Jan,20 21:28 other posts of Scorps 
🙄 >rolls eyes< @ PensionersPenis 🙄 Stay out of the sun as it's not very kind to flakey snowflakes! JEEZUS!
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Must be too much of a man for you in that case...

By phart at 07,Jan,20 20:45 other posts of phart 
As a dem,you don't have alot to choose from.And you may not believe this but I honestly do wish we all had plenty of good people to choose from.
But we don't. It gets boiled down to a devil we know or a devil we don't and the fight is on.

As a independant,I feel like my only logical choice is Trump.Why? He has Americas intrest ahead of all else. That matters to me.
By #601496 at 07,Jan,20 21:07
ok. I like how you explained it
By dgraff at 07,Jan,20 21:33 other posts of dgraff 
Letís vote for me I promise clothing will be optional not required and every one will have glaucoma so smoking pot is a must for every one
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 10:24
Run for President and I'll vote for you, teddy bear.
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By Okaynow at 08,Jan,20 08:01 other posts of Okaynow 
Republican here. I had hoped that we would have manu great choices this election but the truth is we dont. Nothing but a bunch of talking heads with NO real plans. Trump will win in the biggest landslide in history. I'm not a trump fan but the economy is the greatest we have ever seen
By #601496 at 08,Jan,20 10:14
As you probably guessed, I'm a Demi. Trump is poison to me but I have been known to vote for a good Republican. If he wins it will not be a landslide. You Republicans have many possible good candidates. I'm sorry you are stuck with the current one.

By nekekal at 07,Jan,20 21:25 other posts of nekekal 
Anybody but trump/putin. I like Warren. Or clobashor (sic). But it doesn't make a lot of difference. Your average fifth grader who doesn't lie would do a better job that the orange turd.

I do think that melania has nice tits though.
By #601496 at 07,Jan,20 21:27
Hahaha, I can see it. Make Melania's tits tingle, vote for her.

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