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By phart at 07,Apr,24 14:30 other posts of phart 
Ananas, why would a nation like yours that is supposedly so advanced with affordable health care and such, allow a woman to die by choice instead of helping her? Why didn't she get helped? treated,but not fixed? some health care system you have. Can't fix them, send them to the grave yard.
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This is sickening to me. and to think there are alot of folks that think this is such a great idea.i guess it is the same idiots that don't value the unborns life that don't value adults lives?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 16:28 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I don't like this. This, to me, is a problem with the mind and not the body. It cheapens the procedure for people with a horrible deseace that want and need the ultimate relief.
By phart at 07,Apr,24 17:29 other posts of phart 
Well to me, there is a brain issue,you know with the stomach and the brain connection. When stomach empty, you normally get light headed,sick feeling,weak. How can you sit around 24-7 and not feel that way.
I get that way around 1pm or so and if I don't eat something, i aint worth a damn,i am sick and weak.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 17:57 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You get used to it



By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 08:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Euthanasia is helping people die who are suffering with no end in sight.
People can be suffering from a mental illness, with no end in sight, just as much
as people can suffer from a physical illness, with no end in sight.

You think you can imagine her pain and then come to the conclusion
that she has no right to end her own life, I don't.

Translate this article and find out if she got any help from our healthcare system:
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I don't know if she got ALL the care that she needed, but I'm sure anyone in her position
has a better chance to get that care in my country, than in yours.
In your country, people die from not having enough money to save themselves,
in my country some people die by choice, after all efforts to help them failed.

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Can't pay for insurance, send them to the grave yard.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 11:12 other posts of phart 
In other words, broken people DIE ,just in your country they have the option of chickening out and pulling the plug on their own.oh so noble of you. why a drug,wouldn't pushing them off a tall building be cheaper.
Besides, if you walk into any of our hospitals that receive any government funding they can't turn away people or deny basic care.
Many canadians come to the US to get care because their free care takes to long to receive.
By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 12:05 other posts of leopoldij 
And in the US people die because they are poor and so they have no medical insurance and there is no social health policy.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 14:46 other posts of phart 
and in europe people are scared for life from acid thrown in their face. We could go back and forth all day.
But here in the US,
With go fund me and other things going on locally, I know for a fact that "poor" people can get help if they legit need it.
I have witnessed it.

I had a co worker who didn't have dental insurance, his teeth were terrible. A church group arranged for a dentist in the next state over to do what needed to be done at no cost to the church or him.
Sadly it didn't work out well, he died 3 months later from sepsis. there was so much infection in the teeth and gums the surgery came to late.
By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 17:41 other posts of leopoldij 
Being part of a church in order to get help is a terrible idea. One shouldn't have to enslave his/her mind this way. Church and other ideology groups pose severe limits to one's freedom of expression.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 19:56 other posts of phart 
hehehee, you just assumed he was a member, he wasnt'.His father was a Baptist preacher that died years ago. Darrell just read his Bible alone by kerosene lamp at night. didn't attend church. The church, a Jehovah Witness church that helped him, was located about 1500 feet from his front door. They also stepped up to the plate and purchased him a second hand single wide trailer that was local and easly moved to his land when he lost his home to a terrible fire about 6 months before his dental work.
Good people come in all kinds and classes. People help each other when called upon.
By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
So you like how communities help each other in their time of need?
What do you think publicly funded healthcare is?

It's everyone chipping in to help another, just like the church does sometimes.
However, instead of being grateful to the church for providing that sometimes
to one or two people, you can always depend on publicly funded healthcare
providing what you need when you need it, without asking for a handout.



By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 19:56 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"scared for life from acid thrown in their face" ?????

It's not just poor people who cannot afford healthcare in the US, it's the large majority of Americans. Almost anything worse than an ingrown toenail would cost you $10,000 or more in co-pays, even when you have an insurance that's considered 'good'. When 44% of Americans can't pay an unexpected $1,000 expense from savings, how many people will need to beg for money every year? And how many people are donating to all those people asking for money, when they can hardly get around themselves? You're dealing in fantasies.

Of course publicly funded healthcare, cutting out the middleman would be many times cheaper, but it isn't necessary. Healthcare was fully privatized in my country in 2006 and we are beating your ass on quality and cost. It only takes some solid regulation. Republicans keep saying deregulating it will work, but that's what you had before and even more people died from lack of healthcare. Biden is doing something. It's nowhere near enough, but that's because the Republicans are fighting him tooth and nail. They really prefer having pharma companies selling their $1 products for $1000, while the government funded all their research. Working in the pharma industry, you would think I would like that, but I know it would just go to the shareholders. I got that covered too, but I still prefer you to have affordable healthcare, like I have (for as long as it lasts, with many of my countrymen voting for stupid right-wing populists).
By phart at 09,Apr,24 20:01 other posts of phart 
Affordable health care. Strange, for decades folks went to work for company's that PROVIDED health coverage as a benefit for working there. Bought at group rates.
When obama took over. i lost my good insurance from my employer and it was replaced as i have said before with a crappy mess that has higher copays and only 70% coverage until the bill gets astronomical.
Democrats screwed the working class trying to give coverage to those that don't work.Oh yea, about biden, if he is doing so much, why did my arthritis medicine go from 2 bucks to 7.50 january of 24??
Eh?
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 21:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You should give away control over your healthcare to your employer.
They already have too much control over you. When you need another job,
you lose your healthcare. When you cannot work, you lose your healthcare.

If you want group rates, let the government buy in your care.

I literally said that Biden is doing nowhere near enough.
That's still 100x more than Trump did. He had NO PLAN besides cutting and gutting. It might look cheaper, but people are getting screwed eventually.

Biden cannot prevent companies from raising prices and he won't.
That would be socialism, wouldn't it? He didn't support medicare4All.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 01:55 other posts of phart 
I luckly didn't loose mine,I will have it till I die.It is just the policy changed during obama and got more expensive.
There are alot of people who do have a interruption in insurance if they quit a job. that's why folks really ought to have their ducks in a row before they quit 1 job to go to another.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 10:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Obamacare is expensive, because it is a right-wing solution.
It was originally a plan from Mitt Romney.
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Obama cooperated with Republicans, who turned it into a big giveaway to the insurance companies. Would he have had the seats to ignore the Republicans, he could have regulated the insurance companies and pharma companies more to lower the prices. At least Biden is doing some of that.

Employer funded healthcare might have looked cheaper, because employers pay some of it, but they only compensate for that by lowering your wage or taking other benefits away. Any time employees want to negotiate wages or benefits, employers use the health coverage hostage. You might think you are paying less for healthcare, but you might be worse of in total.

You are describing a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.
It's just another level of control from employers, to make it harder for people to walk away from a sucky job or low wages, to find a better (paying) job. It further reduces the strength of the argument that you don't need unions, because you can just find another job. And when you get sick, your employer has a double incentive to get rid of you, which is very easy in your country. You lot always find ways to fuck yourself more and more.

Democracy is intended to vote for your own best interest, not the best interest of wealthy people. You're already way down the priority list of your politicians, because you don't give them millions of dollars. I don't understand how you cannot understand that they trained you to serve them, while they prefer you to die.

Trump has just gotten 50 billion dollars from the wealthy, because he promised them more tax-cuts. That will massively increase the deficit, increasing inflation (or does that only happen under Democrats) unless he starts cutting even more expenses going to infrastructure, social security, Medicare, Medicade, border security, the police, etc. Not a cent of that money will go to you or to lower your costs. You have a right to government help. The only politicians who would ever provide you with it are progressives, but you keep voting for politicians who hate you.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 15:19 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Obamacare was established for one and only one purpose. Provide affordable (that’s relative) health insurance to the unemployed. Before Obamacare, if you lost your job, your only option was to get COBRA. This allowed you to keep your last employer’s form of insurance without ANY changes. Good right? Except you have to pay THE FULL monthly price of the insurance. While working, your employer subsidized you so your insurance cost was a part of the real cost. In all my years in the labor market, I’ve never met anyone that could afford COBRA. Obamacare subsidies health insurance for the most needy at a time that they are least able to afford it.
Is it perfect? No. Did it cause some inconveniences for some? Yes, but, show the alternative. And remember, in huge efforts to repeal it, THE REPUCKERS, both federal and state made sure to put financial roadblocks to it that created many of those inconveniences.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 12:19 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Obamacare was probably the best possible solution, within the political climate that Obama had to content with, but I can show you more affordable alternatives.

The US is at the very top of most expensive health care in the world:
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That might be expected, if the US was also providing the highest quality of healthcare, but in the rankings of countries on overall quality of the healthcare system, your country ranks 23th:
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That's 22 countries with more affordable healthcare, that score higher on quality. So, for the alternatives; copy the system from one of those countries.

Trump said he wanted to provide great healthcare at an affordable price. If he had just presented a plan, which he could have just copied from any one of those countries, he would have had more than enough seats in the House and Senate to do so. Democratic voters would actually be angry with their representatives and punish them the next election, if the president from the other party wants to do something they like and their own party would block it.





By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 16:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, those group rates you are talking about didn't mean much. What mattered was how much was the employer willing to cover. That meant that the monthly insurance bill was as high as $300 or more. Then, there were co-payments that, usually, amounted to much more than what you pay today. Also, don't forget that in most jobs there was a beginning period when you couldn't get in. Some system.





By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 12:42 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Well, we don't live in a country where almost everyone can end their life on a whim,
with a gun laying around. You have 73 people dying by gun suicide every day,
totaling nearly 27,000 deaths in a year.

Do you think that 'basic care' of yours could have helped someone like her?
You are kidding right? Do they even provide psychiatric care or can they just
stitch you up, when you had an accident?

She had been suffering her whole life, adding anorexia on her other problems
from the age of about 16, ending up in a hospital and in an eating disorder clinic
for seven months. After that she has been in psychological care constantly
and visited many specialists. Sometimes they can't fix you, you understand that.

Some people struggle through those challenges, some people don't. I'm happy that you find your life worthwhile and I hope you live it to the maximum. It's still not up to you to project your experiences onto others. Empathy is understanding other people's motivations, not unloading your motivations on them.

People have a right to life, not an obligation to survive all suffering and despair.

You keep presenting euthanasia this as other people taking their life. If that was true, you would find me on your side. It's not true, it's assisted suicide. People only qualify for it, when their suffering is determined to have a 'medical basis', when it is hopeless and when the patient is mentally competent to make the choice.

You also keep framing mental illness as something people can decide to stop or others can slap you out of. Mental illness is a disease. Patients can be smart, logical and coherent and still suffer from depression or anxiety or addictions or schizophrenia or who knows else. Some can be cured, some can learn to live with it and some cannot. Just like some people can survive lost or undeveloped limbs, fully losing kidney function or diabetes. The difference is that science has provided better remedies to treat those health problems, while mental illness is more complicated and more difficult to cure or treat.

She had tried suicide tens of times. In your country, the first time would have probably been successful.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 14:38 other posts of phart 
I disagree. If the person has a mental illness, can't understand it needs to eat to be healthy, why is it suddenly that there is no chance in hell of them being wrong when they say they are suffering?They are menatally ill, that means there is a issue with their brain. If there is a issue that prompts them not to eat, there could be a issue that makes them think they are suffering.
How can you be sure they are suffering? or faking it so they can die? I think alot of suicides ,including the mutable attempts my former girlfriend had made over the years, are because they are just to fucking lazy to live.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 14:55 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Some mental illness means being crazy, other mental illness does NOT.
You're doing the exact same thing again, that I just pointed out in the penultimate paragraph in my last post.

Did you ever hear about people who only think that they're suffering, instead of actually suffering, so much that they ask for assisted suicide?
We don't make policies on wild speculation, we make policies on the principle
of providing people with freedoms.

These are freedoms that only affect people in making their own choices.
You support freedoms that very much impact other people. You're 2nd amendment rights indisputably costs many innocent people their lives, but you don't even accept some common sense regulation on it. Meanwhile, you are arguing that maybe some people might harm themselves with right that I support, while I'm very much in favor of regulating that freedom very responsibly.


By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 17:42 other posts of leopoldij 
The scary thing is that he's not kidding. He believes in the crap he has been indoctrinated with.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 19:33 other posts of phart 
The scary thing is, you believe what a few scientist and dr's tell you that have not even been able to cure the common cold. So how the hell can they understand the brain??
You claim i have been indoctrinated, but yet, you are the minority. Most people went to public schools, watch the news, think for themselves, see with their own eyes and make their important decisions based on their observations of all this mentioned and more.
YOU on the other hand, and to a point Anannas as well, seem to think since you think outside of a smaller different box that we are all wrong and evil and any other negative adjective you can come up with.
Just what makes a few atheist so special that the world should follow them? Hell,it would become a cult all to it's self! A religion of liberalism.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 20:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I don't believe you are evil, I don't believe you are stupid, I believe you are indoctrinated from 24/7 propaganda from highly paid experts in propaganda.

The understanding of the brain isn't required. When people act lucid enough, we deem them to be capable of dicing their own faith. The process is careful enough to balance freedom of choice with protecting people against their own bad judgement. Why do I need to defend that against someone who always, in every other case, demands people to be responsible for their own actions? We just had that discussion! You didn't ask to make an exception for people who have diminished mental capacity then.

A few atheists? We are the biggest religious affiliation group in your country and growing rapidly in numbers.

Why are atheists so special? Because we don't accept claims without evidence.
Having no good reason to be believe something, is a good reason to not believe it.

We would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.

Atheism doesn't in any way agree with the definition of 'cult'. A cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
We are in no way devoted to any figure, we are devoted to the arguments. We have many figures communicating the arguments and some get very famous, but we drop them like a bad habit as soon as they betray the arguments or display bad character. We don't care who said something, we only care about what arguments they used when they said it. We also don't base our political ideas on what the representatives of atheism report to have, when that's not their area of expertise. We value opinions if they are communicated by people with expertise on the subject and not because they are deemed to have authority. Most of our representatives don't even make claims on subjects they lack expertise in, or they say they lack expertise when they communicate their opinion. When our representatives claim authority or expertise they don't have, they risk our appreciation.
Any completely unknown person can convince us more with facts and logic,
than any world renowned and beloved person can with unsupported claims.

Trumpists are a cult, because it's all about the man, glorifying him, not accepting any criticism of him, believing his every word over their own eyes and ears, even when it's the exact opposite of what he said a sentence before, comparing him with Jesus or even preferring him over Jesus.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 21:31 other posts of phart 
Well, Mostly it seems leo is the 1 that thinks all are dumb and evil,but to a point I get the feeling you think i have a few loose screws.But anyway.
questions without answers, seems to be inspired by Hades sending Sisyphus to Tartarus forever to roll a rock up a hill.

i had heard as a little boy that this was the greeks interpretation of hell.
And it turns out some claim it is where the Christians borrowed the idea from.


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By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 21:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Hell is just made up story to make you compliant towards the people who tell you what they want you to do.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 02:02 other posts of phart 
Well, for a moment, let's assume you convinced me,I go out and use leo for a role model and fuck everything that walks and then I go beyond that to become a evil ,hurtful person that steals and such. Then I die, and i "wakeup" in this really hot place, flames and heat beyond tolerable. boy did I fuck up right?
But at the same time, if I do live a decent life, which is all religion really ask of you,i am forgiven and I die and nothing, um, what did I loose living a decent life?
Treating others as i want to be treated, not stealing, not adulterating , etc.
i did no harm during my life, so what was the loss?

Is being a atheist that much fun that you are willing to wake up 1 day with flames burning your eye lids off for eternity? and to go beyond folks here in general, for others is being a evil, murdering thief that much fun that it is worth the risk?
why would anyone want to be a evil murdering thieving fool anyway? atheist seem to think it is just freedom right?
Regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof,

The point of religion is a form of government .it guides us how to live and such.. so to hate religion is to hate being governed '

With your scientific method, PROVE there is nothing after our body ceases to breath. PROVE, don't present theory's, PROVE there is nothing after we stop breathing.
You can't. We could both present evidence to support our cases but there is no 100% irrefutable proof.
That is why the word faith is inserted.
To a point leo, annans, you have a "faith" of sorts, you have faith there is nothing, and in the big scheme of things, you are but amoebas with dysentery.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 11:33 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Do you need hell, to prevent you from being a hurtful person?
Do you want to be a hurtful person?
Can you not enjoy your life without being a hurtful person?

If there is no god and hell, are there there things you missed out on,
without having been a hurtful person?

I agree with you that "to hate religion is to hate being governed", but it is to hate being governed by a DICTATOR. I want very much to be governed by democratically elected representatives, working together with the sole purpose to best represent the needs of their voters.
If god was a dictator, he (obviously man by gender then) would be in our lives constantly, making us do his bidding. The fact that he's hiding, reduces the likelihood of that kind of dictator god.

Why is Leo bad for fucking everything that walks (if he does that)?
He's not r@ping anyone, it looks like he's proving lots of pleasure.
The idea that sex is evil is one of those bullshit religious dogmas.

Even if there is a god, and heaven and hell are real, believers are risking that the religions are wrong about how god wants you to live your life. Those holy books are all disagreeing with each other. If you just pick the bible, because you live among people who tell you that's the real holy book, you might just be born in the wrong place, and find out that god is more like Allah. You are sure fucked then mate. At least I was nice to my Muslim neighbors and didn't want the Palestinians to be exterminated.

Or there is a very woke god, who all wants us to love each other.
At least almost everyone gets in to heaven then. You might be alright.

I don't need to substitute faith for the things that I'm not 100% sure about,
I'm fully satisfied with not knowing everything. It's a motivation to think more, while faith is a motivation to stop thinking.

What if god wants people to try to reach the maximum knowledge and use science and logic to best understand the beauty of their creation? Is the universe this complex, for people to refuse exploring this complexity?

Don't you think it's a little bit suspicious when a religion claims that the only way to get into heaven is to really really believe that religion? I smell a scam from a million miles away.

I can't prove there is no god, but that doesn't mean that everything they tell you about him isn't absolute garbage.

A god makes a universe, with the goal of having people to worship him?
Does a being that powerful need that? How disappointing!
And how insulting would it be, for you to think that about them?

Atheists are not the one risking there possibility of getting into heaven; believers are, by being the worst blasphemers on this planet.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 14:58 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I don’t know if there’s an afterlife. As a Christian I HAVE to believe there is, but that is in public and in the midst of other Christians. The truth is, and remember, this is part of my personal ideology, that I look at it as “a safe bet. Why? Because, to believe in a Christian afterlife, I have to believe in a Higher Being. In my case it would be Jesus Chist. And here is the safe bet.
If I believe there’s a higher being that promises an eternal afterlife and there’s none, then I haven’t lost anything and gained guidance that is good and proper to live an honorable life. If there is a higher being, same thing. It’s a win-win situation.
The rest of what we call religion, I call subservience to man’s endless wants to rule. I can’t fault you, Phart, for the way you think about religion, nor can I fault you, Ananas and Leo, for your thoughts on religion.
At the ends of the day there’s right and wrong and you don’t need a supreme being’s wrath to tell you what is what.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 19:39 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Even if I wanted to, I cannot force myself to believe something that I find not credible. I know some people advise to fake it until you make it, but I would ask them if god would appreciate that, if you're only doing that to get into heaven.

You consider it a safe bet to believe, but you are still betting on you choosing the correct religion. All the believers think they were lucky enough to be born in the right place with the right religion, but there is no argument at all that you are correct. Your faith that you are correct is just as real as the faith of a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Hindu that they are correct.

I accept that there could be a god, although I find it not very plausible, but I see no chance that the god resembles the character as described in the holy books of the major religions. If I started believing that a god exists, then I would need to search hard for a holy book that describes a god that I would consider worth the claim of a of the greatest entity in existence. The religions I know do such a bad job of describing such a being that I would fear that supreme being’s wrath much more, if I choose one of the major religions, than when I wouldn't choose a religion at all. I truly consider them blasphemy.

I honestly think, that if there is a creator of the universe and a different afterlife based on an assessment of my character, I'm better off being honest, following my secular humanist based socialist politics, trying to save nature and humanity and trying to help people with my party, than hypocritically trying to believe something I consider untrue and even harmful. Sorry, if I offend you with that last statement.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 22:04 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ananas, inorder to make it short, I alluded to the Christian in me, but, as I've said, "in my case" My supreme being is not necessarily someone else's but, only in the name.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 08:23 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You've explained your believes before and I don't have much of a problem with it, because you are still using your brain and your hearth, to imagine how a supreme being would want you to live and treat other human beings.

You base yourself on Christianity, but because you make up your own mind about right and wrong, you are able to pick the good parts from religion and ignore the bad parts. There are and have been many people like you, who are and have been inspired to do beautiful acts of kindness. This is very much in line with the core message of Jesus in the bible. That's why I've said before that I like the character of Jesus.

When Mahatma Gandhi said: 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.', he wasn't talking about Mother Teresa, or Martin Luther King, or anyone who interprets the general message of Jesus as 'love thy neighbour as thyself', but the people who go look for a preacher who yells in furious anger the political message of hate against everyone they hate, based on one or two lines in the old testament (the bad parts), completely opposing Jesus' message of compassion.

Then the preacher, who has made millions of dollars from the working class people in his church and donations from wealthy Christo-fascists, starts jelling about moochers who don't want to work, socialists, communists and Marxists who want to keep them lazy by feeding them, and how taxes on the rich are destroying America, because the holy job providers will take care of the flock, if they only cast out the evil Democrats, who want to turn your son into your daughter or your daughter into your son, because they worship the devil. A message which is completely inspired by an agenda of providing subservient workers to the owner class they serve, FOR MONEY AND POWER. They turned capitalism into a religion, which is the exact opposite of Jesus' general message.

Matthew 19:21-24: And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”. They don't believe a word of it themselves, they are just using and twisting the local religion to destroy critical thinking and rule the gullible masses, to serve their Unholy Riches. They don't believe that hell story, it's only a useful tool, for tools.
That's the type of 'Christianity' that I do have a problem with.







By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 22:42 other posts of leopoldij 
I don't think everyone is dumb, but I think that you're totally deluded. And indoctrinated. And fascist. This characteristic of yours alone makes you intolerable. And dangerous.


By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 22:49 other posts of leopoldij 
Have you realized how many cults abs religions come from the US? Here a partial list:

Mormonism
Jehovas witnesses
Trumpism
Qanonists
KuKluxKlaners
Scientificologists
ChildrenOfGodInternationals
TeleEvangelists
Pentecostalists
NRAloyalists
FlatEarthers
....


All theses idiotic religions/cults/dogmas.... Why the fuck are there so many deluded people? Why do people have to believe all kinds of shit?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 15:03 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Because, Leo, there are infinite number of charlatans and there’s an even larger amount of people that NEED to be led.







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By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 10:32 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's dumb! No one can say what they would choose to do in a situation like that,
until they live it themselves. You can empathize with people who make a choice,
but you can never say you would make the same choice.

That's the important thing about choices; you want the right to make your OWN choices, because anyone else making them FOR YOU can be expected to make the wrong choice.
By leopoldij at 10,Apr,24 15:26 other posts of leopoldij 
Very well said.
One should be free to make choices!
You don't want a religion or a state to be dictating to you what you should do.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 17:09 other posts of phart 
if you are not mentally all there, how can you make a reasonable, sensible choice is the issue here.
If a dr can determine a persons brain can't even tell it's hands to insert food into it's mouth to nurish it's body,how can that dr be sure enough to know that person is sincere when they say they want to die?
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 19:49 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The problem is that you now let other people decide if I'm not mentally all there. That's still impacting my choice. You are also ADDING a risk; if I get diagnosed with debilitating dementia and I don't want to end up being a vegetable that pees and shits itself, then when am I still allowed to make my choice to end it? Am I forced to do that, when I'm still mentally all there, because you won't allow me to make that choice when I'm no longer mentally all there? Then you are forcing me to give up time that might be still worthwhile to me. That's an issue, don't you think?

I want the doctor to have a role in deciding if I have a chance of getting better, but only have a role in very clear cases to decide if I'm mentally capable to make my decision.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 21:01 other posts of phart 
Like I said, they aint even cured the cold, and they are qualified to know when and if you are finished?
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 08:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
If you had any scientific, medical and economic knowledge, then you would understand why 'they aint even cured the cold'.

Besides, you would need to go get a jab for that, very very often.
You are not even willing to do that for a virus that has a good chance to kill you, why would you do that for the actual 'sniffles'?

You can keep repeating that I shouldn't have the right to make my own choices, because doctors cannot determine if I can be trusted to make that choice,
but it is a useless argument to convince me, because I don't want them to.


By phart at 10,Apr,24 21:09 other posts of phart 
Why should you be allowed to commit suicide? that is against the law in most places.
If you are mentally capable of such a decision, you are also in good enough mental health to be taught to pick up a fucking fork and feed yourself.
But then, if you have to be forced to feed yourself, you are already past go. so then you are not capable of making that choice
It is stupid to let people die just because they are to nuts to eat.insert a feeding tube.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 08:46 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Is committing suicide against the law?
Well, maybe you should put the death penalty on it.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Apr,24 13:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It’s against the law to TRY to commit suicide. It’s kinda moot if you succeed.
By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
In The Netherlands, attempted suicide isn't punishable. Only if it's harming or endangering other people, can it lead to problems with the law.

The reason is simple, people who try to commit suicide are already in enough trouble, so we offer help to try to save their lives, not punishment.




By leopoldij at 10,Apr,24 22:25 other posts of leopoldij 
It's funny that fascists like you are against euthanasia but support mass murders.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 22:32 other posts of phart 
What makes you say that? I don't support mass murder.that is bullshit.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 09:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You can fool yourself by calling it; supporting Israel in defending themselves.

I support Israel's right to defend themselves too, but they have abused that right from day one. Now they have long passed the legal qualification of 'defending a country' and much violated the laws of war against 'war crimes' and 'genocide'.

And we don't need a doctor to inspect the brains of children, that are splattered around Gaza, to see if they were terrorists or not.
By phart at 13,Apr,24 22:53 other posts of phart 
NO but unless you can figure out how to get hamas, the elected government of gaza,to stop killing Israelis, then hush and let them clean up the vermin.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Apr,24 19:23 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
There is a limit to what's defensive actions an even retaliation. Anything else is a crime against humanity.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:32 other posts of phart 
Yep, riding into a crowd of people listening to music and grabbing women to rap# and shooting and killing from hang gliders is a crime against humanity and it was done by the governing body of gaza. just like a cancer ,the only cure is removal and destruction.
All I hear is people asking israel to stop, no one has ask iran or hamas to stop have they? Um?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 00:10 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
First, there are countless number of people that has asked Hamas to stop.
Second, the people of Gaza are mostly innocent non-combatant s.
Third, why are you so sanguine? Every time there's some type of confrontational conflict, you want one side to anihiliate the other and the "other" is the ones you don't like.
Fourth, you never advice the combatants to try to work out a peaceful solution. This is true from police/perrp confrontations to genocide a la Israeli/Gaza. Shame on you, friend. What has happened to you in your life that you can't be at least a little compassionate?
By phart at 15,Apr,24 03:41 other posts of phart 
Compassion would be a wonderful thing.
BUT every time you try to show compassion you get walked on by whoever you had shown it to because they interpret it as weakness and use it against you.
you try to just live and let live and they are just sharpening their knives and fueling up their hang gliders to use to kill you.
terrorist know Americans and others are "compassionate" that's why terrorism works so well against us.
By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 09:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Man, you are delusional. America was not trying to show compassion,
when the terrorists were walking all over you. The US has created that breeding ground for terrorism for decades, by propping up extremist Muslims to leaders of Middle Eastern countries and toppling moderate democratically elected leaders, so you could take their oil a bit cheaper.
They hate you, because they have a good reason to hate you and it's not because they don't like your freedom, but because you destroyed their chances of freedom.
Any time you try to fight terrorism, you create even more of it.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 12:08 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
My question stands, "What happened to you to make you such a pessimist?"
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:45 other posts of phart 
I would consider myself a realist more so than pessimist. Look at what is real and what has happened and learn from it, don't make those mistakes, don't repeat those actions.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 17:16 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Still, my question stands. I've been through a lot in my life and I'm not like you. But, before you say it's me, everyone that chats with you says the same thing.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:01 other posts of phart 
Well, perhaps it is our reactions to what has happened to us over our life times.
You take a passive approach and never learn from your experience's , I take a defensive approach meant to prevent those things from happening again.

By phart at 18,Apr,24 18:40 other posts of phart 
My question to you is what happened to cause you to be so naive and trusting of other people?
And unable to see danger until to late?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Apr,24 22:29 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I'm not naive but I've always said, " treat me right and I'll treat you right. Only a miniscule number of people turned out to be untrustworthy or dangerous or both. Why go around with fear all your life? It's a poor life.



By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:38 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Then learn from decades of failing policies and come up with better solutions.
By phart at 16,Apr,24 19:26 other posts of phart 
The problems keep changing, every time you learn the game the goal post get moved.
We didn't have the men trying to be women competing in women's sports 20 years ago.
We didn't have Fentanyl coming over the border in women's pussys tied up in baggys until recently
we didn't have immigrant swimming across the water as often as we do now.
People are stealing right and left and no justice.

Years ago I was able to work for a living,had alot more say in what I did and how I did it, no failures on my part,just circumstances beyond my control.
I am so sick of watching my friends suffer economicaly,
sick of watching the street fall apart while biden and his ilk want to build more solar farms and have us walk while eating tofu.
Just a whole barrage of issues in life that have molded me to not be the "nice " guy folks think I should be
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Apr,24 21:37 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
So, according to you, all this started three years ago. No other president or Congress had to deal with this. Where have you been hiding?

By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 10:22 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Biden is spending billions on infrastructure and you associate him
with 'watching the street fall apart'?

You are sick of watching your friends suffer economically?
Why are they suffering economically? Are their costs too high
and their income too low? How about increasing wages then?
Oh, no no no no, that would be expensive for their employers!
How about lowering their costs of education and healthcare and rent and insurances, by regulating the companies who make record profits over their backs and then call it inflation?
Oh, no no no no, that would be socialism!
Well, let them suffer the system that you support then!

You accuse Biden of the problems that your support for
the trickle down economy fantasy has caused.

WHEN will those millionaires, who now all turned into billionaires, finally start paying their employees more? Did they do that, every time their taxes were lowered by every Republican president? Will they start doing it, when they pay 0% taxes and turn into trillionaires?
Of course not, you will just pay more taxes, to make up for
all the wealthy people who pay no taxes.

They told you it would happen and it didn't. Every decade, the middle class became poorer and poorer, while the rich and wealthy became richer and wealthier. THEY LIED TO YOU, but you blame Biden.

Is this caused by transgenders competing in women's sports?
Are we talking about 2 or 3, at an actually important level?
Like that has caused your friends suffering economically.
Of course not, it's the bullshit distractions they tell you,
to keep you voting for the horrible politicians who actually
caused your friends suffering economically.









By Ananas2xLekker at 15,Apr,24 09:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
When are you going to understand that it is impossible to fight the symptoms of a diseased society. Bombing terrorists only creates more terrorists. Even if you kill all Palestinians, including all hamas terrorists, you are just creating fertile grounds for poverty stricken Muslims in all the Middle East to join some terrorist organization.

'Vermin' is straight up Nazi speech. If the supporters of a Jewish nation
are using that speech, something has gone horribly wrong.
Stop acting like the evil side in history.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 16:47 other posts of phart 
What else could you call someone that just drives or flys into a concert and starts killing innocent people or taking them hostage?
There is that "compassion and empathy thing,"oh they are just upset muslims making a statement.
No they are EVIL subhumans. Vermin is a compliment.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 19:58 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The individual(s) are evil. The majority are good people.
By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:02 other posts of phart 
But how are you going to weed them out.When hamas props it's self up UNDER a fucking hospital?
By Ananas2xLekker at 18,Apr,24 09:14 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You don't! You cannot destroy terrorism by bombing people.
The only way to fight terrorists is taking away the reason for them.
As long as people are suffering and being oppressed, they will support terrorists. That's the term for the 'freedom fighters', from the other side.
They are always poor and uncivilized people, who kill in a personal way,
with knives and rifles, instead of in a civilized, impersonal way, with a rocket, a bomb, or a shell, from a plane, helicopter, drone or tank. That's because knives, rifles are the only weapons they have. They are called terrorists, because they do terror. The overwhelming power they fight does even more terror, but that's considered legitimate and in response of their terror.

Haven't you seen films like Star Wars?
Israel is The Empire, oppressing Palestine. The rebels killed many storm-troopers, even a whole Death Star with probably many people on it who were just living their lives, working for the empire. Those rebels, like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, killed many people who were just serving for the glory and expansion of the empire, while the terrorists and the people who protect them stood in their way. That's why the empire blew up the whole planet of Alderaan, with all those filthy terrorist sympathizers on it.
All those primitive people calling themselves freedom-fighters, while they were standing in the way of a glorious, modern, democratic empire.
(Well, it was democratic, but in war, the president requires all the power,
so the senate and courts relinquished all power to Emperor Palpatine.)
Death to those filthy rebels! Kill them all, and everyone supporting them!

Movies most of the time position the rebels as the good guys. That's just storytelling and not realistic. People fighting against oppression are often traumatized hateful extremists, doing despicable things, to maximize their impact, because they are fighting against impossible odds. However, they are fighting for what they think is freedom for their people, to live the way they want to live, against an oppressor with many times the strength and power, that has behaved without any respect for their lives and rights,
and has caused many more death. That oppressor just has power and information reporting on their side, which provides them with legitimacy
in the eyes of people on their side. People, who think they are the good guys by definition, only look at the actions of the other side and never think about the actions of their own side.

Or maybe you have not seen Star Wars, because it was 'woke'.
Woke means being conscious of oppression, inequality and injustice.
Some people like oppression, inequality and injustice, if it's not them.
Or they think they don't deserve humanity, because they are inferior.
That's how all the dark, evil empires start, by calling people 'vermin'.
You're already a stage further; calling for extermination of the 'vermin'.
By phart at 18,Apr,24 12:16 other posts of phart 
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Have you got what it takes to hide yourself under a dead body?
I don't give a damn how oppressed you are,you don't go killing innocent people to try to earn respect.
I was 49 or 50 years old before I watched star wars i bought at a yard sale, and frankly never saw what was so great about it.

You seem to think if the terrorist were given what they want they would become followers of Mr Rogers and live peacefully.
You are so naive. When they kill, that is a thrill to them,it's like drugs and getting high. Kill ,kill , destroy


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"terrorists have shared a “dark form of fascination with destruction and killing,” a “death worship” transcending ideology, she told her students.:
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Uh just what would you "remove" to get rid of that "fascination" of killing ?

That is the issue with empathy, it prompts you to think that with a little love we could turn Jack the Ripper into a opera singer.




By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 15:41 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Those are not the 35,000 Palestinians who Israel has killed untill now.
You are literally asking for a genocide, THAT'S evil!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Apr,24 21:40 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Hear hear



By phart at 15,Apr,24 20:41 other posts of phart 
you keep looking at "me" as in conservatives for answers when your side hasn't had any luck with your ideas either.
Evil is something that needs to be decimated, not played with.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Apr,24 01:25 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Yes, but you don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
By phart at 16,Apr,24 03:12 other posts of phart 
Ok so how do you tell the "baby" from the evil 1's?


Besides, we have a tool for that now,
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By Ananas2xLekker at 16,Apr,24 16:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
To give you a compliment; you ARE the only conservative with some ideas here, the rest is just calling bullshit and flipping. However, if killing everyone is your best solution, than understand that it hurts Israel too. If they do that, many people will hate Israel for ever. Speaking for myself, I do not judge any Jew for this personally, but antisemitism is rising like crazy, because of what Israel is doing as a state.

Criticism of the state of Israel is NOT antisemitism. I now consider that state to be part of the axis of evil, on par with all the Muslim extremist dictatorships.
I will support sanctions against them and boycot them. Only if they ever judge the war criminals and learn from history, like Germany has, will I ever consider them a part of my world again.

There are only two ways out of this misery:
1) A two state solution, where Palestinians are not under control of Israel, protected by a Middle Eastern Treaty Organization (similar to our NATO),
that protects the borders of Palestine against Israel's aggression. No wall with Israeli snipers on it, killing children, but an international defense force.
2) Israel negotiates with the rest of the world, to take on every Palestinian refugee, Israel pays massive reparations to those refugees to settle in another country and pays those countries to accept them. Then they can have Gaza. I'm talking about at least $ 200 billion. For another $ 200 billion they can have the West Bank.
By phart at 16,Apr,24 19:33 other posts of phart 
If there is so much concern for the "palestinians" , why not carve out a section of Niger or Zimbabwe and let them move there and have their own country to rule and live in?
You will not be able to put both of those groups near each other and have peace for any length of time.
a israeli will throw a rock at the palestinian that killed his brother 7 months from the time all that was put together and start the whole ruckus again.
MILES and sand to separate them in 2 different places will bring a better world for all.

To be frank, peace in that part of the world is a fantasy only surpassed by something silly like me being Paris Hiltons husband.
I think this episode of star trek relates to the crap in israel or that region in general
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Apr,24 21:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
WTF do you have against the Nigerians or Zimbabweans? They are sovereign countries. How about we carve out a huge section of the Carolinas and let them establish their own state/country?
By phart at 16,Apr,24 22:30 other posts of phart 
oh I have nothing against those people, it is just large open desert, should be plenty of room
Why not florida?

besides aren't the Palestinians just miss understood and hated because of myths and propaganda? where is your empathy for these loving people that just want to live in "piece" as in blow everyone to pieces?


By Ananas2xLekker at 17,Apr,24 06:36 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
As Trump_Supporter was saying that Israelites have a claim to that area of land, because of in his mind 6000 years of history of living there, Palestinians also have a long history of living in that area. Very likely, most of them have a thicker genetic line to the original inhabitants from 6000 years ago than the people who call themselves Israelites now.

Israel started the hostilities by creating a Jewish state in an area that has never been purely Jewish and then for decades expanding their land at the detriment of the Palestinians that already lived there.
It's not a bothsides (fallacy) issue of two peoples who refuse to live in peace together, it's a one-side issue of an apartheid state, that intended to take whole the area for itself, from day one.
It's the failing of international law to have let that happen, but that's mostly because Christian Americans consider that area the promised land too and agreed with purifying it for Jews, because of a prophesy they created.
Europe didn't do much to help the Palestinians either, probably because there are also lots of Christians in Europe who consider the area Jewish, because of Christianity. That and guilt for the holocaust.

It's nonsense to propose creating another state for Palestinians somewhere. It's what you did with the native Americans, but the rest of the world doesn't agree with repeating that crime against humanity.
Although, it's a better idea than your first, of just eradicating them all.

Peace is difficult, that doesn't make it futile to try, it's necessary for humanity's continued existence. As long as wars distract us from solving climate change, we keep acting like Thelma & Louise.
















By phart at 18,Apr,24 18:42 other posts of phart 
I would think even a kid would know something with teeth is not a rock?
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By phart at 18,Apr,24 02:29 other posts of phart 
I just read that AOC is going to start using all lower case letters to help fight capitalism.
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By leopoldij at 11,Apr,24 23:54 other posts of leopoldij 
Here's something positive rewarding the gun culture in the US.

US to end 'gun show loophole' that allows sales without background checks

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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 12,Apr,24 02:09 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It's about time.
By leopoldij at 12,Apr,24 02:28 other posts of leopoldij 
Let's see how the resident extreme right winger will find a way to defend those selling guns without background checks.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Apr,24 13:15 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Easy, just hold up the funding for the background checks.
It still requires some government officials to perform them,
which costs money that they can easily cut or reallocate.
Then the one overworked junior pencil-pusher just rubber-stamps them.
And then they can say background checks don't work either.
By leopoldij at 13,Apr,24 23:28 other posts of leopoldij 
I am wondering why you engage in discussion with people like phart when you know very well the he's never going to accept anything that you logically explain to him: he's merely unable to do so. I am wondering about your motives.

My motives are simple, albeit cynical. I don't expect any kind of rational response from him. But I find it interesting to see how low a human being can fall. How it's possible to have lost all kinds of freedom and free will due to continuous indoctrination and due to being in a place where he's kept ignorant of anything that's happening in the world. It's like observing a human who, unfortunately, has been lobotomized.
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P.S. so much so that the label "human" seizes to apply.
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Apr,24 18:44 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Don't be discouraged, people like phart have been turning away from their indoctrination every single day. Maybe my arguments won't change his mind,
but they might change someone else's mind.

When you look at religion, it's actually more the extremist religions that are losing followers at high rates, than the moderate religions. That's because the gap between extremism and reality is larger than the gap between moderate views and reality. MAGA is a cult, centered around a cultisch character: Trump. Many Republicans are sick of him. They are starting to see that he is awful and useless.

In The Netherlands, during the pandemic, the number of crazy conspiracy believing, right-wing nutcases, exploded like locusts. Our craziest right-wing party, Forum for Democracy, had it's best support since it's start. Many conspiracy websites and YouTube channels even attracted people who never shared their ideas. After the end of the pandemic, most of the people, who engaged in those ideas, saw that none of their predictions became reality, recognized what a stupid bunch of lunatics and conmen the instigators were and mostly returned to normalcy. Unfortunately, many of them still retained a framework of distrust in the government and a predilection towards right-wing populism, which is why our less extreme populist party; Party for Freedom was elected to the largest party. The cabinet formation is now 142 days ongoing, and we are hearing report after report of the Party for Freedom dropping the most important promises that the Dutch people support by majority and voted for them on, while there are other promises they are still trying to keep, which have much smaller support. I think they are losing support fast this way.

My strategy is always talking to people who have different opinions than me, instead of calling them liars or stupid. Still, when they are making shit arguments or don’t even try to support their position, we should keep telling them, without stooping to the same level. I think it’s important for people who know they are on the side of logic, to keep supporting the system of logic and denounce insolence, partisanship and dishonesty.
By phart at 14,Apr,24 19:39 other posts of phart 
Well,your side needs to be a bit more realistic as well.
You put way to much trust into a group of "elected" officials when in reality, they are ALL looking out for themselves in some way or another .No decent person is going to be in politics. you just have to pic the snake in the grass that is similar to your values.
If Kennedy and Reagon were running for office in 2024,it would be a tough race,for good reasons. we would have good men on both sides.
Although I would not want to go fishing with Trump, he is a much better choice than biden to bring America closer to the America I grew up in instead of this horrible night mare i am in right now.

Leo,a man like you that finds it so much fun to call people facist and nazi's will have a much harder time changing anyone's mind about anything than anannas. No I don't agree with what he says, but he is educated and has reasons for his thoughts and experiance.and conveys. You just call someone a bad thing and walk around like a bantam rooster that just gigged 5 hens.
you do little to help your cause,if you even have 1 .
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Apr,24 00:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, the America you grew up with was a homophobic, racist, alienating, egotistic, society. Now the Clown has brought us back 50 years. It's a crime.





By phart at 13,Apr,24 22:55 other posts of phart 
A lawyer wouldn't be able to convince you of right and wrong because you think you know more than everyone else.
BUT as for selling a gun, a hammer, or a car, if the owner wants to sell it, and the buyer wants it, then money exchanges hands.
Besides the background checks are a joke.only thing it does is confirm rather or not they are felons. They could sick minded taking all kinds of pills and the back ground check wouldn't help a bit to prevent a crime.

There should be back ground checks in place. Along with mental healh screenings and meds screening.BUT the government should have a booth setup at the gun show and run these checks real time so commerce can commence.long waits are stupid. If that is the case, you should have to wait a week to rent a uhaul truck since it can be used to commit a terrorist attack for example.
if you are on psychotropic drugs, you don't need to be buying a gun,you are a loose cannon.
By leopoldij at 13,Apr,24 23:23 other posts of leopoldij 
You know what? If you Americans want to keep shooting one another and have the largest number of mass murders/shootings and largest number of guns in the world, then keep doing that. I don't give a shit.

What I find extremely interesting is the existence of such fascistoids like you in America that I want to keep poking in order to see what kind of ridiculous response they'll give so I can collect data about your likes. You're pathetic.

It's also fascinating to see how perverted your mind can become, by it being indoctrinated by constant propaganda, say after day. You and your likes have reached the vegetable state and nothing can be done to make you free again. You live in subjugation, you lost your freedom, it's only fear that can affect your brain.
By phart at 13,Apr,24 23:24 other posts of phart 
You are the fucking lab rat my friend.
You are the 1 that doesn't resist the liberal ideals,
don't think for yourself at all. Just take whatever a scientist tells you as the gospel.
By leopoldij at 13,Apr,24 23:29 other posts of leopoldij 
Ok. Thanks.
By phart at 13,Apr,24 23:33 other posts of phart 
no problem.
You serve a greater purpose leo than you could ever imagine.
You remind us of the dangers of complacency and tolerance of liberal ideology.









By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Apr,24 20:56 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Who would have thought. The women of SIO are providing a health benefit to the male members. 🤣🤣🤣

"Orgasms are pretty great, but for men it turns out ejaculating very regularly could also significantly reduce the risk of prostate cancer.

In fact, if you ejaculate once every day you really limit the chances, while another study suggests that a staggering 21 orgasms a month reduces the likelihood of prostate cancer by 20%"

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I’ll have to remember that in case I get caught at work! 🤣

The Canadian Cancer Society had an advertising campaign for men and prostate cancer and their tagline was “Don’t die of embarrassment”.
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Who would have thought. The women of SIO are providing a health benefit to the male members. 🤣🤣🤣

"Orgasms are pretty great, but for men it turns out ejaculating very regularly could also significantly reduce the risk of prostate cancer.

In fact, if you ejaculate once every day you really limit the chances, while another study suggests that a staggering 21 orgasms a month reduces the likelihood of prostate cancer by 20%"


By leopoldij at 11,Apr,24 15:05 other posts of leopoldij 
More good news.
Looks like trump's 175 million dollar bond may be fake!

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How cool would that be if it were true? Let's pray it is.
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“Incomprehensible”: Experts say Trump’s $175 million bond makes no sense
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Trump’s $175 Million Fraud Bond Could Be Invalidated If Insurance Company Doesn’t Prove It Can Cover It
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By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 11:57 other posts of leopoldij 
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Great verdict: European court rules human rights violated by climate inaction. It's time that governments and companies started paying big time. When they start losing money they may realise they have to do something.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 14:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I think you copy pasted the incorrect link. That's Arnold.

I've heard of the European court ruling against climate inaction, but it's only applicable to Switzerland in this case. It is however a good sign for governments and companies to do more, but they can also interpret it as doing enough, until they get reprimanded by the courts. The courts won't save us, until the voters demand change. Unfortunately, they keep voting for politicians who do the absolute minimum, even when the courts tell them to do more.
By leopoldij at 09,Apr,24 17:37 other posts of leopoldij 
Yes, you're right. I made a mistake. I watched Arnold's video and liked it very much.

Here's the correct link.
It's a start.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 19:21 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Good article. I didn't know that Greta Thunberg was involved with it.
I hadn't heard about her for a while. Everyone's favorite angry teen.
If she was supporting right-wing causes, they would carry her around on a throne.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 19:37 other posts of phart 
No most of us would think she was a babbling idiot like that noisy marjoire, "spelling"

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She is a real role model aint she? Can't stay out of trouble Why can't she go get a fucking job and shut the fuck up already? Her parents taught her what to say and how to act just a damn dancing monkey or a parrot .She aint old enough or educated enough to make any knowledgeable statements about anything.
If she would get a college education, and have some years under her belt and stop squeaking like a little tiny toy when she talks more people might listen.
By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 08:54 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Ever listened to Marjorie Taylor Greene or Lauren Boebert?
Two fully grown adults, making even more noise, but then without knowledge.
You would think they are old enough or educated enough to make any knowledgeable statements about anything, but they are just parroting a political agenda from their wealthy donors and conspiracy theories from Breitbart.




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 15:52 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Serves me right for trusting a post without checking the URL.


By phart at 09,Apr,24 19:44 other posts of phart 
Human rights are also being violated by climate action.
The US Constitution clearly states I have the right to pursue happiness. How can I when fuel and transportations cost are being inflated beyond affordable?
How can I be happy if i can't buy the food I want because it happens to be meat?

"Is the 9th Amendment life liberty and pursuit of happiness?
THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; among which are, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."

I know leo would be happy if he never had to walk, work and had free food and housing and all the pussy he could handle . but other peoples happiness involves different things.
Why infringe on my freedom just so you can be happy?
there is no right answer.
All this climate change stuff is brought about to gain control of the people.
Control their movements, their diets, their lifestyles.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 18:10 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The US Constitution says you have “the right to the pursuit of happiness”, that implies that there are caveats. After all. There are many evil people that are happy to klll innocent people.
Remember, when the Constitution was written, the modes of transportation were walking, riding a horse or a horse drawn wagon. If you don’t like the cost of gas, walk.
“Is the 9th Amendment life liberty and pursuit of happiness?” Not quite, it means that there are other rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution that are just as valid like the right to travel, the right to vote, the right to keep personal matters private and to make important decisions about you private life.
That has nothing to do with you being too poor to afford Ribeye steaks. The only
right you have, in that case, is your right to seek help so you don’t starve.
However, following your reasoning, then I say that women wanting to follow their pursuit of happiness should be allowed to have an abortion.
"All this climate change stuff is brought about to gain control of the people.
Control their movements, their diets, their lifestyles."
Stuff? Are you such an ostrich like person that you can say that? Unbelievable
By phart at 10,Apr,24 21:12 other posts of phart 
Not a ostrich,YOUR head is in the sand,or at least i hope the sand and not your ass,
IF the right is not written in plain english in the constitution, where is it written that it is "implied". that sounds like interpretation, not facts.


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 22:34 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The US Constitution states that you have “the right to the pursuit of happiness”, that implies that there are caveats. After all. There are many evil people that are happy to klll innocent people.
Remember, when the Constitution was written, the modesty of transportation were walking, riding a horse or a wagon. If you don’t like the cost of gas, walk.
“Is the 9th Amendment life liberty and pursuit of happiness?” Not quite, it means that there are other rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution that are just as valid like the right to travel, the right to vote, the right to keep personal matters private and to make important decisions about you private life.
That has nothing to do with you being too poor to afford Ribeye steaks. The only
right you have is your right to seek help so you don’t starve.
All this climate change stuff is brought about to gain control of the people.
Control their movements, their diets, their lifestyles.

My question is, “How?
By phart at 11,Apr,24 03:32 other posts of phart 
cat,you aint that dumb, you can't even fake it.I know you ant that dumb. THe government controls you by creating situations that allow control thru econmics.
You have enough sense to know fuel could be cheaper in the US, it is the regulations on drilling and building refinerys that control supply and thus price.


Now tell me please, where does it say that rights not mentioned are valid?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Apr,24 11:42 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The 9th amendment. Building of refineries are controlled by the oil companies.



By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Apr,24 09:18 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
You would be right that climate action would be violating your right to pursue happiness, if anyone was actually making that impossible with climate action. No one is!

Or, at least, no one is forces to do that YET. Waiting longer in enacting sufficing climate actions WILL force humanity to resort to climate actions that WILL violate our rights to pursue happiness. When you ar trying to stop an out of control train speeding to a collapsed bridge, it becomes harder to save the passengers the longer you wait.

Meanwhile, your right to pursue happiness is already violated, by a culture of hating poor people and worshiping money and wealthy people, which you support yourself.

The impact of climate actions need to be balanced with the impact of inaction. My right and your right to pursue happiness is not more important than the right to pursue happiness of children who deserve a similar future that we had when we were children.
There is more than enough wealth in your country to protect your right to pursue happiness from the actions that are needed to protect the children's and future generations' right to pursue happiness.

When climate inaction spares our remaining years of our right to pursue happiness, it will take away many decades of those children's right to pursue happiness. And their right to pursue happiness will be much more violated than your worst fears of how your right to pursue happiness might be violated.

The only way to deny that is to deny science or hang on to some slither of doubt that has been wildly exaggerated for political purposes. You are talking about the law, which should make decisions based on evidence and science, not on your weak arguments.




By kebmo at 11,Apr,24 05:50 other posts of kebmo 
I don’t understand why some Republicans don’t want to support Ukraine. I thought the plan was to make machinery, guns and weapons in the United States, creating US jobs and then sending it to Ukraine.

The plan is not to send them billions of dollars in cash.

Russia invaded a sovereign nation.


By Sir-Skittles at 10,Apr,24 21:25 other posts of Sir-Skittles 
You saggy cunt


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 18:19 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Crude prices have pushed higher in recent months amid continued production cuts by oil alliance OPEC+, attacks on Russian refineries, and continued cargo interruptions along the Red Sea region.

Biden should step down from being the CEO of OPEC and let Trump Jr take over

🤣🤣
By Gntlmn at 10,Apr,24 19:47 other posts of Gntlmn 
🤣✔️😂

By phart at 10,Apr,24 21:03 other posts of phart 
No he should not have shut down the Keystone pipeline, It would be about finished by now,and I am willing to bet the fact that we could get more oil without opec,the prices would not be as inflated.
Gas jumped from 3.14 to 3.49 over night. bastards. right about the time people are able to get out and TRY to fucking enjoy life a bit

Imagine if the US was 3 worldish, we would just kidnap a few oil exec's and the price would drop to pennys.



By phart at 10,Apr,24 02:49 other posts of phart 
Cat,I am sorry to break the news to you like this. I think I made reference to this sort of thing a few weeks ago and you told me things about NPR and you felt it was a good source for info.
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"An NPR editor blowing the whistle on the left-leaning outlet's biased coverage says voter registration records showed an astonishing disparity between Democrats and Republicans in the newsroom: 87 to zero."


Now, please help me and others out here, just how are we to have faith in NPR giving us unbiased information?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 15:45 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Don’t be sorry, Phart. I see why you have reservations about NPR, but, here’s the other side of the story.

NPR Fires Back at Staffer’s Missive About Left-Wing ‘Miscues’

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Chapin, NPR’s top editor, fired back at Berliner’s dismissal of the outlet’s diversity initiatives, saying in her memo that “exploring the diverse perspectives that drive world events is necessary to our public service mission.”

“That’s why we have built in processes to verify accuracy and why we adhere to the highest editorial standards,” she wrote. “It’s why we have a standards and practices editor as well as a public editor to stand-in for the audience. It’s why we track sources—so we can expand the diversity of perspectives in our reporting. We have these internal debates, enforce strong editorial standards, and engage in processes that measure our work precisely because we recognize that nobody has the ‘view from nowhere.’”

Phart, this organization has always told the truth. The way they tell it may sound biased, especially the MAGA crowd, but, ask yourself why is it that way? If you base your political and national views on one organization, even if it’s one like NPR, then you will never have the whole picture.
Regardless of this editor whistle blower, his position is flawed because of one truth. Biased or not, the articles or reports by NPR can be verified in many other news sources and only a hard right news outlet like FOX NEWS, a proven news outlet heavily leaning toward Trump, would bring this to the light of day. Why? To discredit truthful reporting.
Now, you, Phart, can do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to listen to what NPR has to say, but, don’t come here and tell us your choice of news outlets are not biased.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 17:34 other posts of phart 
Add this to the mix,
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 10,Apr,24 18:11 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
And?
By phart at 10,Apr,24 20:58 other posts of phart 
Insert a "DUH" here.
soro's, owning American media sources? you don't see a problem?
That is the fox buying controlling stock in your hen house.






By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 08:09 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Arnold Schwarzenegger's 'Anti-Hate' Message
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By phart at 09,Apr,24 11:28 other posts of phart 
Ok, please be sure that the black people watch this that hate and blame the whites for everything wrong in their lives.

and uh how about passing this along to the muslims that shouting they hate us? thanks

I know,you could spread these words like butter on toast, but neither of those 2 groups would pay any attention.


he has a couple details a bit off but for the most part, most of the world does need to hear that message.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 14:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
That's you now blaming them for blaming you, which is already a generalization
in the first place. First and foremost, because most black people succeed in life,
despite white people still aggravating their challenges.

I have not ever seen any post from any black person blaming white people here,
for anything wrong in society. I have only seen white people blaming black people
or immigrants or anyone else besides themselves, but especially the most powerless people in the world, for whatever is wrong in society.

You're doing exactly what Arnold is talking about.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 14:41 other posts of phart 
SO ARE YOU.
I only ask that the message be passed along to those that need to see it.
We both understand hate is a bad thing. But so is dishonesty.
Who writes history? Who tells us what is happening each day?
People with bias and anterior motives on all sides.
How can we stop the hate,if we can't even get the truth about what the hate is based on??
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 15:30 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
When am I blaming the most powerless people in the world, for whatever is wrong
in society?

The world is controlled by powerful people. Everyone else only has a tiny impact on the world. Sure, if all of those people chose to do the best they can, the world improves a lot, but their impact is still reduced by an incredible amount by the powerful people.

You say it yourself, that you don't have the money to buy an electric car, buy a heat-pump and eat healthy and tasty plant-based food. That's applicable to a majority of the people. It's up to the powerful people to change what's causing that problem, by changing the priorities away from providing almost unlimited profits to a few wealthy people, to making sure everyone has money to make the right choices in life.

That's why I'm blaming the wealthy powerful people for a lot that is wrong in society. Those people actually have the power and thus the responsibility to change those things.

You just keep blaming people who are, just like you, limited by the system from doing the best they can. They are surely not all doing the best they can, but even their best wouldn't be enough of what we need. Moreover, you are asking people to do their best, while they are reduced to struggling for survival.

I know that I am not doing the best I can, but almost no one is.
That's because we all have other priorities in life than sacrificing our lives for everyone else. No one should be expected to do that. It only requires some of the wealth and power from those wealthy people, still leaving them with much more than all the rest of us, to change the world enough, so everyone else can make that change more easily.
By phart at 09,Apr,24 20:12 other posts of phart 
Ok, so in the morning, Jeff Beso's has to give up 3/4ths of his fortune and deposit 100 dollars into every bank account on earth.
Thursday morning Elon musk has to do the same,put a 100 bucks into every bank account on earth.

and so on until it comes down to YOU and ME having to give up 3/4th of our fortunes and deposit equal amounts of it into every bank account on earth.

Ok, so once this process is complete. What would the changes be?
The dollar would be worth about 2 cents for about 6 months as demand for everything from new Hannes underware to Boeing 747s' would increase 400 fold.
At the end of that 6 months, or le'ts be generous and give it 6 more,make it a year, I am willing to bet Jeff Beso's, Elon musk,and others like them would be nearly back to where they were. Even with different laws and regulations in place.
Why, Because they would sell the products and services people wanted,and profit from it,and reinvest it. Those that didn't have shit before,probably would have a bunch of shit they couldn't pay taxes on the next year.
Wealthy people are not wealthy just because they are evil,it is because they take the time to get educated and take risk you would be scared shittless to take.
By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Apr,24 21:13 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Of course it doesn't work like that, you are just ridiculing a well thought out system.

The whole idea that an Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk should control like a dictator all those people putting in their labor for the profit of people who don't do a day of work, IS WRONG.

They don't EARN their money they TAKE that money. Some of them once had a good idea or have actual talent, but it's never valuable enough to justify their piece of the pie. Your idea of that risk is nonsense, most wealthy people risk the money of investors and shareholders and stand to lose nothing or little, when they fuck up. That's only applicable to small business owners.
Not most wealthy people are evil, but most of them are sick from greed.
They are just taking what they can, you are the dumb-ass that support the systems that allows them to do that.
By phart at 10,Apr,24 02:12 other posts of phart 
How many POOR people do you work for to earn a living?
if there were no wealthy people,there would be few jobs and not much of a living to be made.Poor people don't own companys, poor people can't afford 20 bucks a hour to flip burgers.
By Ananas2xLekker at 10,Apr,24 10:43 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
The same old excuse, so tiring. Almost no one gets hired by a poor person, because we are living in CAPITALISM.

Capitalism is a system where wealthy people own everything,
so of course in that system, everyone is working for wealthy people.

In medieval feudalism everyone was 'hired' by the king, because that was
the system then. In ancient Egypt everyone was working for the Pharaoh, because that was the system then.

If the capital is socialized, we would all be working to enlarge the public capital,
so we'd publicly invest in companies who provide the jobs. Then we all get to vote for representatives who make the best investments in OUR NAME, to create the companies who add the most value FOR US and for humanity, instead of to further enrich a few selfish people, who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Poor people are a result of inequality, which is a result of authoritarian ownership. Democratically controlled public ownership doesn't support that inequality. People would get paid for the need of their labor. Without burgerflippers, you don't have a burger restaurant, so they are essential. The CEO of McDonalds isn't essential; there are many better restaurants without a CEO.










By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Apr,24 15:10 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
/polls/4808.html

It’s unbelievable. I never imagined this would be so popular.

Total Votes: 70
Total Voters: 54


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 16:22 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Dumb broad. It's NOT Chicken Little time


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Apr,24 13:25 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Sir-Skittles you are skating dangerously close to being blacklisted again. I don’t care what your blogs say about me and you can attack me on my threads. I reserve the option of deleting your posts in my threads. What I’m talking about is you bringing your garbage to my blogs that have nothing to do about our intense dislike for each other. I I post a blog about you or that retard Pitbull, then I’m fair game. But stay out of my other blogs like my Easter blog.
Oh, yeah, stay out of my page too.
By phart at 04,Apr,24 14:00 other posts of phart 
You should stand up and stop "banning".you wouldn't hold up a ban hammer if they were in front of you, why do it here? you are behind a keyboard,you are safe.The wires and the airwaves will protect you from harm.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Apr,24 14:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You do have a point but, imagine signing on and there are 50+ new posts about you from the same 3 members every day and all villifying you. You would get tired. That, though, is not the reason I ban these people. It's their habit of trashing my page with inappropriate gifts. I don't like for members to come and look at my page and see a ribbon full of piles of 💩. Nor do I like my pics to have negative posts. These last ones I can delete, but, deleting gifts cost a lot of points that I prefer to use voting for members pics.
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BTW, Phart, now that MONGOloid is gone, my blacklist has a total of two and one is Pitbull, so, I don't think it's excessive.
By PITBULL at 07,Apr,24 10:57 other posts of PITBULL 
Go ahead and blacklist me you fat pig and racist.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 12:25 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok, Spitbull, you asked for it. Pffft. You are blacklisted.






By SAGGY_GRANNY at 06,Apr,24 15:24 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
OMG, we were there last weekend. That’s scary.

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By phart at 06,Apr,24 15:43 other posts of phart 
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heres a link that you don't have to turn off your ad blocker for.
I doubt you were there at 3am. Why is anyone at a bar at 3am? And why would they arrest the other guy?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 06,Apr,24 16:41 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Miami is an all hours city. Most entertainment places like lounges and discotheques stay open until 5am and have a crowd until the end.
We were there untill 11pm or so.
By phart at 07,Apr,24 03:00 other posts of phart 
wow, scary to be out past 10 or so for me. of course i don't drink.And although i luv good music,i can't stand to try to listen to it in places like that because of the hootin',hollaring and stinking beer!Or some kind of stupid ball game on the tv instead of the weather or news.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 03:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
When Woody and I go alone we go to quiet places with smooth music and low lights. We are not beer people even though Woody loves a beer. We like to sip a good scotch and slow dance while making sex moves . This other place is the type we go with a crowd






By SAGGY_GRANNY at 06,Apr,24 17:38 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Our war for independence lasted longer than our involvement in WWII
By phart at 07,Apr,24 02:59 other posts of phart 
Um, never had gave that much thought.
mentioning WW2, how close do you think we are to WW3?
Some are saying very close. I have bad feelings myself.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 07,Apr,24 03:00 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I don't think it'll be a word wide war but, I too think we are dangerously close to a major war.




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 02,Apr,24 14:13 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I can’t believe the participation on this poll:

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By phart at 04,Apr,24 14:04 other posts of phart 
it's my understanding it taste like shit.
But it is good that mothers let the babies have it as it is designed for the baby,unlike the synthetic crap from the store.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Apr,24 14:28 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Don't knock it till you try it. It's sweet but not sugar sweet. And judging from the poll, many like it. I had no clue there was going to be so much participation.
By phart at 06,Apr,24 11:15 other posts of phart 
it's probably same as with a goat or cow, if the cow or goat eats wild onions, the milk will taste like them,if the woman eats onions,probably the baby is going to have onion breath
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 06,Apr,24 11:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That's true and babies can taste the difference. It might even affect their food preferences later in life. Most expectant mothers to be eat a bland diet. Breast milk tends to be sweet like cow milk.






By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Apr,24 21:43 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Biden: U.S. economy world's best; Trump claims 'c…

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We are really doing good. So good, in fact, that the Clown is trying to take credit for it.


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Apr,24 15:38 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
An earthquake struck the East Coast of the United States on Friday morning, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, causing buildings to shake and rattling nerves from Maryland to Maine.

The USGS measured the quake as a 4.8 temblor with its epicenter near Whitehouse Station, New Jersey. It struck a little before 10:30 a.m. ET.
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The East Coast earthquake came from a fault that's been asleep for hundreds of millions of years but suddenly reactivated


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 05,Apr,24 14:19 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
You were blacklisted by smlloldcok

Who the heck is this guy? I’ve never heard of him.


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I just heard that he’s the new fake Pitbull account.


By PITBULL at 05,Apr,24 13:54 other posts of PITBULL 
Hey guys come to the Forum; Freddy's box and see the old saggy granny CAT in full action
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On this forum you will see CAT'S racism in full display


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Apr,24 19:29 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Well, it seems MONGO took a dive into an empty pool. Why?
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Good riddance, MONGOLOID. You chose to be nasty just because you wanted to. I won't give you a second thought. I hope you do delete this and every other account here. So funny, you ragged me about all my accounts and here you are confessing about multiple accounts. At least mine were legitimate. You, being a raghead, should appreciate this. I hope the plague of a thousand fleas invade your armpits.
So, now, you can delete this post. I'm going to copy/paste this in my thread. Perhaps you can convince your BOTTOM, Pitbull to follow you to Hell.
My parting wish to you....💩💩💩


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 14:29 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Wow. We need this in Miami.
New Central Florida highway will wirelessly charge cars on the go
SR 516 will also provide a long-sought connection from Lake County’s suburbs to Orlando’s beltway
By phart at 02,Apr,24 01:06 other posts of phart 
how many homes and farms are being lost to build it?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 02,Apr,24 02:06 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Don't know but Central Florida is booming. Farm land is disappearing fast.
By phart at 02,Apr,24 02:42 other posts of phart 
we are loosing farm and forest to quickly to.
sad,I don't know where all the people are coming from but i wish they would stay where ever they are.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 02,Apr,24 11:23 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
In my state, most of the new people come from the northern states. They are running away from the cold and gloomy days that occurs two thirds of the year.
There's also a huge influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal. These don't cause harm to farm or wooded lands. Their impact is mostly in established cities.




By phart at 04,Apr,24 14:02 other posts of phart 
hells bells, i hit that damn minus thing trying to hit reply, i will try to fix it,but my question is, where is the nuclear plant going to be built that will supply the power to this cordless car strip?

fixed,sorry about that.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 04,Apr,24 14:32 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 

I do that too. My nails get in the way. No problem. I never take notice.
Concerning the charging highway, I have no clue how it's going to work. I know there are several in central and northern Florida on both sides of the peninsula.




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 02,Apr,24 11:30 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Here we go. This should be good.
A federal judge says migrants can sue the company that flew them to Martha's Vineyard

APRIL 1, 20247:08 PM ET


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 18:02 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Oh, boy, look out milk drinkers.

For the first time, U.S. dairy cows have tested positive for bird flu

MARCH 31, 20241:25 PM ET

There's a good chance your next glass of milk will have an egg in it.🤣🤣🤣😈
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:42 other posts of phart 
no it means they will be killing 1000's of cows and milk will go out of sight price wise.A created mess. Someone tested positive for the bird flu and went into the cow area on purpose. i read about it while ago.
I drink 2 to 3 gallons of milk a week nowadays,just my luck,something else i won't be able to afford.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 21:49 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I feel for you but, I hate milk.
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 22:05 other posts of dgraff 
It’s delicious on a hot day so cold and smooth and it keeps your stomach in check
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 22:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
When I was a kid I used to pour the orange juice into the milk and tell my mom it had curdled. Funny thing though, I love milk shakes.
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It is good for ulcers of the stomach
By dgraff at 01,Apr,24 22:17 other posts of dgraff 
Definitely the ulcers that Yukon Jack give you after drinking it 30 plus years
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By phart at 02,Apr,24 01:04 other posts of phart 
Was lucky enough growing up to have access to all the goat milk I wanted. 3 quarts or more a day, never knew what heart burn was until i was over 20 years old.
I have had many a chance to break a bone but so far ,thank God ,I aint. I Credit it to all the milk i drank growing up.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 02,Apr,24 01:15 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Vitamin D, calcium







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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 14:06 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
A fact that's good to know if you visit Florida. Lake Okeechobee is loaded with alligators. There are literally tens of thousands of them there. In 2015 there were an estimated 28,000+ there and the population has continued to grow yearly. On a side note, if there is freshwater anywhere in Florida you can almost guarantee that there will be at least one gator in it.Jan 4, 2024
By phart at 01,Apr,24 20:44 other posts of phart 
why don't they kill them off? why allow them to over populate and kill people?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 21:53 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
For a while they were an endangered species (I would have loved for them to become extinct. 🤣. Now they've multiplied to a nuisance amount.
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I wanted to check on this. In Florida Alligator hunting is legal, but it is not a free-for-all. There is a specific alligator hunting season, which falls between August 15 and Nov 1 each year. Alligator hunting was established in 1988 due to the growing need for population control over the 1.3 million alligators in Florida.Oct 10, 2023.
Close to the cabin there's a state park called Alexander Springs. It's a beautiful place with a fresh water stream and lagoon in the center of the park. Most of the park is thick forest, but the waters are cristal clear and a favorite of skindivers.
First time there there was a small beach with floating ropes to "separate" the beach and wading area from the crocs sunning themselves. Needless to say, I didn't go in.
We get the digital newspaper from Ocala Florida and not a month goes by that someone gets attacked there. People have lost arms and feet, but, does that stop the swimmers? Not a chance. I think I said it in another thread, "man does not learn".




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 31,Mar,24 15:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
GOVERNOR RON DeSANTIS, OF FLORIDA, FOUND A WAY TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING:
"A bill awaiting signature from Governor Ron DeSantis, who dropped out of the Republican presidential race in January, would ban offshore wind energy, relax regulations on natural gas pipelines, and delete the majority of mentions of climate change from existing state laws."

What guy!!
By phart at 01,Apr,24 01:43 other posts of phart 
Natural gas can be piped in to operate electric plants to charge the electric cars the libs want so bad. clean burning and is a by product of oil drilling.
Your state also just got a new law on the books to prevent squatting and to be able to charge squatters with crimes.
You live in a state with a great government but the crocigators and alidiles and pythons scare me to much to want to live there.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 01,Apr,24 02:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Squatting as we know it now is a new fenomena, but, squatters rights are in every state's laws. It's a time honored tradition. In Florida, if you occupied a plot of land continuously for 25 yrs without any intervention, you could file for title.




By Sir-Skittles at 30,Mar,24 14:44 other posts of Sir-Skittles 
Hi cat I found yer pic!




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 30,Mar,24 17:36 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It is my pic. It’s the one I uploaded when I found it in my collection of scummy moms. You can tell she’s your mother. You are the spitting image of her. Both being scummy cunts and all.



By SAGGY_GRANNY at 27,Mar,24 17:47 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Well, why not.
🤣🤣🤣👿

‘Intentional attack?’ GOP lawmakers including Marjorie Taylor Greene spread Baltimore bridge collapse conspiracies
By phart at 27,Mar,24 23:39 other posts of phart 
eh, I doubt it was a attack of any sort. Time of day is the deal breaker for that idea to me .Terrorist would have taken it out at rush hour.
BUT i guess a theory could be made for economic terrorism. It will cost MILLIONS of dollars across a broad spectrum of business's and government dot related groups
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 03:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It would depend on wether you are receiving some of that money or missing it.


By leopoldij at 30,Mar,24 00:19 other posts of leopoldij 
It's done by Putin, with his friend's (Trump) help, to destabilise the current government.
By phart at 30,Mar,24 00:56 other posts of phart 
again, not feasible, timing. even putin would try to take out more humans.
once I found out the ship was india owned, it all made started to make sense. They run equipment until it is just way past go then put more fuel in it and keep chugging.
By leopoldij at 30,Mar,24 01:45 other posts of leopoldij 
Indeed. Not possible. Besides, immigration wouldn't let Putin in the US.

Maybe Bernie Sanders did it then or another communist friend of his.





By SAGGY_GRANNY at 29,Mar,24 04:00 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Sir-Skittles, you and three others are the only ones that are in my blacklist. I'm going to remove you from the list. Why? I believe you are incorrigible and won't be able to refrain from trashing my page. You have 48 hours to prove me right.
I haven't changed my opinion of you nor do I expect you to change your opinion about me.
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By phart at 21,Mar,24 11:41 other posts of phart 
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That's why we went with an Equinox. Our old Tahoe now driven by my grandson has close to 300K and still going strong.
By phart at 21,Mar,24 14:06 other posts of phart 
there is 3 older chevy products here with well over 300,000 miles.


By Maxwell_93 at 21,Mar,24 20:50 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Gmt400's and 800's are peak GM, everything afterwards is garbage



By phart at 20,Mar,24 00:51 other posts of phart 
UM, hey cat, check this out,
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 14:05 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Why would this be excessive? He committed fraud in such a large scale, the fine is comparable to the crime. He owns enough property to cover it and he is a global businessman. Not being able to do business in NY for 3 years is a slap in the hand.
By phart at 20,Mar,24 14:30 other posts of phart 
it is not excessive to you because you and others like you take pleasure in ruining peoples lives and reputations.anyone else and you would not think this way about it.
It has been about the hatred for the man,not justice.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 16:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart
What do you know about me? What gives you the right to say, "you take pleasure in ruining peoples lives and reputations."?
Alright, I don't like the man. That doesn't mean I would prostitute the law to get personal satisfaction.
Since you think this is a political vendetta then, right here and now, tell us why. Let me help you.
1) The NY DA sued Donald Trump for gross fraud during several years.
TRUE or FALSE?
2) In his trial, HIS lawyers chose to have the trial's outcome to be decided by the judge, foregoing a jury. His right to choose.
TRUE or FALSE?
3) It was exhaustibly proven he DID commit fraud AS DEFINED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND FEDERAL LAW.
TRUE or FALSE?
4) Any other person would have faced the exact same treatment AND every day many do.
TRUE or FALSE?
5) The judge imposed a FINE , COURT COSTS, DAMAGES, and INTEREST as he would have done so to anyone else.
TRUE or FALSE?
6) He has the right to APPEAL the verdict as anyone else has.
TRUE or FALSE?

Ok, what makes this case any different from any other case involving any other citizen? Is Donald Trump special? I think not, but, Phart, here's your chance. Go for it. Refute the above by the numbers and, while you are at it, tell all, here, why you think that I give a flying f..k about other people to the extent that I want to take the pleasure in ruining their lives and reputations.
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By leopoldij at 20,Mar,24 18:38 other posts of leopoldij 
I like your sentence

"That doesn't mean I would prostitute the law to get personal satisfaction."

But, as you see, the trump cult members are blind, just as in any cult. They will never admit that their messiah is flawed. They would rather attack the very basis of the US democracy (its constitution), rather than admit that their messiah is a common criminal. Even he himself, the messiah, spoke about changing the constitution. He thinks he's above any law. And so do his sheep, like phart.

I still believe in the US democracy and its resilience. It'll recover. But it'll take time. And then all this extreme right wingers, religious followers of their messiah and his messianic bullshit will fit in a small corner and be ridiculed.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Mar,24 16:45 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Leo, You are right.


By phart at 20,Mar,24 21:28 other posts of phart 
6 true,
4 false
5,true but they were excessive. just as the 8th would apply.
3, I want to know when those laws were written and or modified to fit this agenda.
2, frankly i think the attorneys were hoodwinked.
1,sure true,they did sue, they could have sued for his bad hair cut.but does that make it right?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 22:08 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
New York Executive Law § 63(12), sometimes called simply "63 12" or "63(12)",[2] is a New York law that gives the Attorney General of New York broad powers[3] to investigate and prosecute cases of alleged civil fraud.[2][4] Due to its broad definitions,[5] section 63(12) provides the AG with far-reaching powers to issue subpoenas, as well as low legal hurdles to do so.[6] The law was passed in 1956,[7] while Jacob Javits was attorney general,[8][1] and signed by governor Averell Harriman.

New York Executive Law § 63(12)
New York State Legislature
Citation
Executive Law § 63
Territorial extent
New York
Passed by
New York State Legislature
Passed
April 14, 1956[1]
Signed by
Averell Harriman
Status: Current legislation
Section 63(12) has been used in many high-profile prosecutions, including in People v. Exxon Mobil (201, during the New York civil investigation of The Trump Organization, and against Martin Shkreli.[9][2]

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 22:09 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Number 4 is true. See when the law was enacted
By phart at 21,Mar,24 01:13 other posts of phart 
well, it was along time ago at least. But still, it appears it is only used when there is financial gain for the state and for vengeful purposes. You know every liberal hates big oil, so using it against Exxon was a no brainer for them
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Mar,24 12:53 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Notorious Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff has a petition pending with the Justice Department asking for clemency from President Donald Trump.
Madoff, 81, currently is serving a 150-year sentence in a federal prison in Butner, North Carolina, for orchestrating the largest Ponzi scheme in history.
Madoff is asking that his sentenced be commuted by Trump, meaning that he would be released from prison. He is not requesting a pardon from the president.

So, you see Phart, no one is different.



By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 22:13 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The lawyers thought that the judge was a better bet. A jury tends to be more judgemental.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 22:14 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Number 1, are you for real? Give it up.
By phart at 21,Mar,24 01:05 other posts of phart 
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🤣🤣😈
By phart at 21,Mar,24 14:07 other posts of phart 
and I think that poster applys to you because I don't think you give up either.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 21,Mar,24 16:45 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
There's a difference. I shoot from the side of the truth.
By phart at 21,Mar,24 18:33 other posts of phart 
the truth has more than 1 side.
just as a piece of paper.
Some would say a piece of paper has only 2 sides. when it really has 6.












By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:50 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
ON TRUMP ON THE ART OF THE DEAL

Marjory Taylor Green is insinuating that the country is broke. Well, you know who else is broke? Greene’s own fearless (and forgetful) leader himself. Don’t forget, as if you could, that Trump is currently almost $500 million in debt after those two E. Jean Carroll defamation lawsuits and being found guilty of civil business fraud. So, yes, putting that guy back in the Oval Office will definitely help the United States’ financial problems. Oh, and one more tiny, trifling detail: Trump added an incomprehensible $8.4 trillion to the national debt during his presidency the first time around.
By phart at 19,Mar,24 16:14 other posts of phart 
until the chinese released their bio weapon, our economy was great.
thats what matters to the voters.
Trump wants a secure border, that's what most voters want to see.
I can already see this next election is going to be another circus.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 17:57 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
While the Clown was in office he deported 500K illegal aliens vs 1.5million that Biden deported since in office.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 17:59 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Long before the COVID-19 pandemic the Trump administration was squandering the pockets of strength in the American economy it had inherited.
Broad-based prosperity requires strength on the supply, demand, and distributive sides of the economy, and Trump administration policies were either weak or outright damaging on these fronts.
Demand: Most of the Trump tax cuts went to already-rich corporations and households, who tend to save rather than spend most of any extra dollar they’re given.
Supply: Business investment plummeted under the Trump administration, despite their lavishing tax cuts on corporate business.
Distribution: The Trump administration undercut labor standards and rules that can buttress workers’ bargaining power.
By phart at 19,Mar,24 21:01 other posts of phart 
A household that saves is 1 that is less apt to be dependent on the government latter if at all until they can draw out the social security they are forced to pay into.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 21:27 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Ok. So?
By phart at 19,Mar,24 21:29 other posts of phart 
are you that dumb? You can't be. If you aint paying as much in taxes, that means you have the option TO SAVE THE MONEY you would normally send up a wild hogs ass in washington.
You must be the kind that thinks if there is a new tv 2 inches bigger than the 1 you are watching you have to fill up the landfill with the old 1 and buy the new 1.
Wasting money.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 11:20 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
That's true but it wasn't in the Clown's administration. Those Tax Cuts were negligible to the average tax payer. BTW. no one sees those cuts except at tax time. The timing is not optimal





By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 18:00 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
So, Phart, what did he do good? Oh, I know. He increased our national debt so high it will take three generations to catch up. Yeah, it was better then.🤣🤣🤣
By phart at 19,Mar,24 21:05 other posts of phart 
Name a president who's administration didn't raise the debt? The debt rises on it's own from INTREST>
Right to try medicine was 1 thing he did that directly helped a friend of mine get on a test for a new cancer treatment recently.
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You can google cat, but there are 2 places you can read about Trump's positive input to the US.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 21:28 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Clinton
By phart at 19,Mar,24 21:31 other posts of phart 
President Clinton's Record on Fiscal Discipline: Between 1981 and 1992, the national debt held by the public quadrupled. The annual budget deficit grew to $290 billion in 1992, the largest ever, and was projected to grow to more than $455 billion by Fiscal Year (FY) 2000.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 23:44 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
President Clinton's Record on Fiscal Discipline: Between 1981 and 1992, the national debt held by the public quadrupled. The annual budget deficit grew to $290 billion in 1992, the largest ever, and was projected to grow to more than $455 billion by Fiscal Year (FY) 2000. As a result of the tough and sometimes unpopular choices made by President Clinton, and major deficit reduction legislation passed in 1993 and 1997, we have seen eight consecutive years of fiscal improvement for the first time in America's history.

Largest Surplus Ever: The surplus in FY 2000 is $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
Largest Three-Year Debt Pay-Down Ever: Between 1998-2000, the publicly held debt was reduced by $363 billion—the largest three-year pay-down in American history. Under Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled. Under the Clinton-Gore budget, we are on track to pay off the entire publicly held debt on a net basis by 2009.
Lower Federal Government Spending: After increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy has been cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000—the lowest level since 1966.
Reduced Interest Payments on the Debt: In 1993, the net interest payments on the debt held by the public were projected to grow to $348 billion in FY 2000. In 2000, interest payments on the debt were $125 billion lower than projected.
Americans Benefit from Reduced Debt: Because of fiscal discipline and deficit and debt reduction, it is estimated that a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments, like a large tax cut.
Double Digit Growth in Private Investment in Equipment and Software: Lower debt will help maintain strong economic growth and fuel private investments. With government no longer draining resources out of capital markets, private investment in equipment and software averaged 13.3 percent annual growth since 1993, compared to 4.7 percent during 1981 to 1992.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 23:45 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I think you've got the wrong president






By leopoldij at 19,Mar,24 23:10 other posts of leopoldij 
THE ART OF THE STEAL, you mean
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 20,Mar,24 13:21 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 




By leopoldij at 19,Mar,24 00:11 other posts of leopoldij 
I'm very worried about Trump!
He might go to jail!

How COOL would that be?
To see him behind bars?

Trump unable to get $464m bond in New York fraud case, his lawyers say.

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Mr Trump's team spent "countless hours negotiating with one of the largest insurance companies in the world", the lawyers wrote in a court filing, but concluded that "very few bonding companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude".

The lawyers said they had approached 30 companies without success.


Donald Trump cannot find a private company to guarantee the Ј365m he has been ordered to pay in a New York civil fraud case.

There is also interest on the penalty hanging over his head, which is accruing by at least $112,000 per day until he pays.

By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:13 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
He won’t see jail time for this. It was a civil trial. He could end up in bankruptcy but I doubt it.
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 18:23 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Trump wants more tariffs. His earlier trade wars cost Americans $230 billion to date

Yeah, we were better off four years ago. 🤣🤣🤣😝


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 21:16 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Trump claimed the United States is "a nation where free speech is no longer allowed and where crime is rampant like never, ever before," an assertion that Rattner shut down completely.

Rattner made the following observations while sharing some graphs with Morning Joe's viewers:

"Crime is not out of control like it's never been before. In fact, crime has continued to drop under President Biden ... You can see that violent crime since 2020 has dropped by 15 percent, 339 violent crimes per 100,000 people."
"[Crime is] below any place it was during the Trump administration and it's had this huge drop in 2023. The same is basically true of property crime. You can see [robberies] are down 7 percent, 1,830 per 100,000 people."
"This is a complete fiction that crime is up under the Biden administration."
By dgraff at 15,Mar,24 22:31 other posts of dgraff 
Morning Joe huh what kindergartners did they get to draw that graph up
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That post belongs in the questionable stuff forum thread because it’s very questionable
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Mar,24 15:13 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
FEBRUARY 12, 20245:01 AM ET

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In 2020, the United States experienced one of its most dangerous years in decades. The number of murders across the country surged by nearly 30% between 2019 and 2020, according to FBI statistics. The overall violent crime rate, which includes murder, assault, robbery and ****, inched up around 5% in the same period. But in 2023, crime in America looked very different. “At some point in 2022 — at the end of 2022 or through 2023 — there was just a tipping point where violence started to fall and it just continued to fall," said Jeff Asher, a crime analyst and co-founder of AH Datalytics. In cities big and small, from both coasts, violence has dropped.

CAT
This article appeared on NPR NEWS. NPR stands for NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO. It’s subsidized by the Feds through moneys allocated by Congress and it’s strictly NEUTRAL about politics here and in the rest of the world. That is in their charter.
Morning Joe is a syndicated talk show on MSNBC @6am M-F. Hosts Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski and Willie Geist present in-depth and informed discussions that help drive the day's current political conversation. Willie Geist also hosts Sunday Morning With Willie Geist on NBC. Mika Brzezinski’s father was National Secuity Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski. It’s interesting to know that Joe Scarborough served as a REPUBLICAN Congressman during the late 80’s and early 90’s before he changed to a Democrat.
Another thing worth noting is that all of you swallow the 💩 fed to you by the Clown’s political machine without checking. Everything I just posted is supplied by the thousands of local police. You don’t have to believe it and I understand that if you live in a 💩hole, life must be pretty 💩. My condolences.
By dgraff at 16,Mar,24 17:27 other posts of dgraff 
There ain’t no crime we’re i live and I’m sheriff judge jury and executioner
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Mar,24 17:55 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
So you agree with me


By phart at 17,Mar,24 13:20 other posts of phart 
"It’s subsidized by the Feds through moneys allocated by Congress "
Cat , for Gods sakes you can't be that naive as to believe that crock of shit.
People lean the direction their money comes from.Just like a tree or a plant leans to the sun for it's light.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:36 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Funding for NPR comes from dues and fees paid by member stations, underwriting from corporate sponsors and annual grants from the publicly funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Most of its member stations are owned by non-profit organizations, including public school districts, colleges, and universities.
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is an American publicly funded non-profit corporation, created in 1967 to promote and help support public broadcasting. The corporation's mission is to ensure universal access to non-commercial, high-quality content and telecommunications services.

Phart, what all this mumbo-jumbo means is that the information broadcast by NPR is as true as it can be. You don’t have to believe it. You’ve lived your whole life believing lies fed to you by entities with ulterior motives, ie, filthy lucre.
I will give you that if you live through an unusual set of circumstances, you will believe everything is colored by your experience. I’m here to tell you that is not so. In this case this is not a matter of politics. I’m just as interested in how much crime happens locally and nationally. Why would I post false info? If I’m naive, then so are uncountable number of other people or institutions.
By phart at 19,Mar,24 16:06 other posts of phart 
most all of the funding sources you listed are liberal leaning,
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 18:18 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
They can be Communists or fascist. They can be Cuban Castro allies. They can be anyone, but, they are not. They are first and foremost, Americans that believe in our country and want the best for it. That's why they are described as BEING NEUTRAL in their reporting. Don't confuse them with MAGA types.






By phart at 16,Mar,24 00:04 other posts of phart 
how can any dumb sumbitch say crime is dropping when your own governor announced they stopped a boatload of hatie immigrants with guns and dope on your coast?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Mar,24 15:30 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
One interdiction and the USA is doomed? Something similar happened in 1812.




By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:56 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
After Trump Threatens To Withdraw Funding From Public Schools Enforcing Vaccine Mandates, Critics Call It ‘Dystopian’

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Can you imagine what this would do to the health of our people especially our children? What kind of uneducated a..hole would push for this? This is the type of President MAGA wants? They might as well to take one of those 2nd amendment guns and put a round into their brain.
By phart at 19,Mar,24 16:12 other posts of phart 
can you imagine what would happen if alot of people came to America from 3rd world country's that had not been vaccinated> We don't have to, because the current president has left the gate open.

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this link talks about the cases they stopped.
what about the "gotaways".?



By Maxwell_93 at 14,Mar,24 22:34 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Fram filters are garbage. Even the Walmart Supertech, bottom of the barrel has thicker pleats for 30% less cost on an engine air filer for my car. I haven't trusted their oil filters in years, but I don't want anything from them anymore.
By dgraff at 14,Mar,24 23:49 other posts of dgraff 
I refuse to sell fram filters at my shop I’m a Napa guy
By phart at 15,Mar,24 00:14 other posts of phart 
After I read about several fram filters ruining engines I don't install them on anything. I wouldn't even put 1 on Cat's car! or joe bidens for that matter

cat!
anyhow,
Last I read Supertech is made by Puralator. But store brands are made by contractors. So it is usually Wix or puralator.
BUT what pissed me off monday so bad,I went to pay the money for a wix filter to put on a zeroturn that the owner is very picky about using good quality parts. Says wix on the box! Says something else,wix under that and MADE IN MEXICO on the filter it's self. I all but took that sumbitch back.
By dgraff at 15,Mar,24 08:44 other posts of dgraff 
The only thing we make here in America 🇺🇸 is cardboard boxes 📦 the E P A says making any thing else is to dangerous to the environment
And that my friend is why America is weak all the other countries don’t care about this greeny weeny crap 💩
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Oh and we make plastic bottles the very same plastic bottles that pollute the earth
So MR Biden what does your greeny weeny package have in it to deal with that problem most people including myself just burn 🔥 the bastards putting that toxic shit into the air so how can the EPA think that is safe for our environment
Stupid greeny weenies
By phart at 15,Mar,24 11:09 other posts of phart 
yep, we had the right idea decades ago, returnable glass bottles, kept the streets cleaner,and the land fills less full. but no this fantastic plastic is better! thanks liberal
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 12:42 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Not liberals, at least not entirely. I grew up with returnable bottles and everyone and their uncle's hated it and wanted it gone. What's more, everyone in the grocery retail business from the grocery to the manufacturer hated it too. It costs money to reuse and store empties. Plastic was not understood how it harmed the landfills.
The bottom line is that no one cared what the consumer thought. It was when money, that's profit margin to you, could be increase, that the Repuckers changed the system. You guys made it happen, now get rid of the EPA and die.
By phart at 15,Mar,24 15:33 other posts of phart 
the same truck could haul the empty bottles back to the company, the emptys simply store where the full 1's were in either location. easier and cheaper to wash a bottle than it is to grind it,melt it,reform it ,ship it again.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 15:40 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Who pays for the wash? Who pays for the time the clerks have to deal with it at the local merchants? Who pays for the storage space at the local merchant? Who pays for the consumer’s time and the storage space in his house? Who pays for the time to rinse the bottles to keep roaches from them? Who pays for replacement of easily broken containers?
And, besides, it’s a business decision. The only way to reverse it is if local government forces them to do so. Nationally, you would need the EPA to get involved. Oh, wait, that’s a dirty word according to Dgraff
By phart at 15,Mar,24 16:26 other posts of phart 
Who is paying to haul off the plastic bottles? who is paying for storage of the bottles ,both new and old?
Besides,some states make you return bottles and such for a credit even though they are no reused.
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So the only extra step for them is to haul them back to the company to wash and refill instead of hauling them to recycle.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 16:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Please re-read my response
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BTW. I don’t care if we go back to the old system. I used to throw them away anyway.
By phart at 19,Mar,24 02:28 other posts of phart 
I put gas in my car to get to college by picking up bottles on the weekends.
so yea,toss them my way, free money!
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:43 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Good for you.








By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 12:20 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Who said it's good? You complain about the EPA because it got drilled into you that it stifles manufacturing. That comes from big business wanting to make bigger profits disregarding the health and safety of the public. I ask you, " Why can't they make just a little less profit and be a safe manufacturer?"
I'll tell you what they prefer to do. They prefer to move operations out of the country. And who are these people? Conservative Repuckers. And who let them take their operations out of the country? Repuckers, that's whom.
It's easy to fix. Pass a bill in Congress that puts a tariff to import any product previously manufactured in the US at 300% of the MSRP of the product. I bet the Repuckers in Congress would vote it down. Of course, you'll bitch prices of goods would go up.
You guys make your bed, now you don't like it.
By dgraff at 15,Mar,24 17:02 other posts of dgraff 
Be careful your teeth don’t fall out of your mouth flapping your gums like that were is the proof you always say you provide there has been more democratic president in the last 200 years than republicans around 1973 was the beginning of the EPA so who was the president then who was after trickey Dick sound like maybe Gerald Ford perhaps so I guess it was a republican but Gerald Ford was a nobody and never was elected he was handed the presidency
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It was tricky Dick December 2 1970 no wonder he was impeached
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 17:43 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Out of the mouth of babes.
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BTW, President Nixon was never impeached by the House or subjected to a trial in the Senate, his conduct exemplifies for many authorities, scholars, and ...

As always, you did your research.




By Maxwell_93 at 15,Mar,24 22:16 other posts of Maxwell_93 
That's interesting. I run ST oil for the short intervals in power equipment, but I was always skeptical of the filters. Purolator Boss filters always impressed me in initial quality.


By Maxwell_93 at 15,Mar,24 22:07 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Yeah, I'm right there. I'll buy oem oil filters, but everything is going to be Wix/Gold from now on.
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By dgraff at 15,Mar,24 22:39 other posts of dgraff 
If you can find them Baldwin filters are heavy duty and top of the line
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By Maxwell_93 at 16,Mar,24 17:51 other posts of Maxwell_93 
Hmm, and Rock sells them cheaper than Wix on a couple of my applications. Here I go down another rabbit hole on the oil forums...


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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 19,Mar,24 14:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
WINDMILLS
How much noise do windmills make?
So just how noisy are these turbines? The closest that a wind turbine is typically placed to a home is 300 meters or more. At that distance, a turbine will have a sound pressure level of 43 decibels.
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That’s about the noise a home refrigerator makes.


By phart at 17,Mar,24 13:14 other posts of phart 
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In reading a link Bella posted, I found this most disgusting story.

Child safety is the responsibility of the same government that is responsible for our safety.in the air, on the hwy, in our homes.
They essentially ignored what was happening to this poor boy.
And I am supposed to trust the police, the state ,the national government with my safety as a adult enough to give up my guns and they can't even protect a child??

Folks that are anti gun, really need to observe case's like this that clearly indicate the "system" is broken.and can't be trusted with anyone's safety.
Granted, a gun would not have helped this child. BUT the same system that failed this child fails adults everyday when they deny women police protection, ignore threats to schools from folks calling trying to prevent harm.the state knew this child was in danger,and did NOTHING.The same state probably leaves adults to fend for themselves to from abusers
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 18,Mar,24 22:07 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Oh, no, Phart. From your own posts, women don't get abused. They just go around trying to frame men. And didn't you say that Mr Floyd was a scumbag and the cops were trying to protect the public? And don't you think someone should have given this child a gun for protection?
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People that are anti-guns are anti-guns because no one wants to REGULATE gun ownership. Think about that.



By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Mar,24 15:49 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
How much noise do windmills make?
So just how noisy are these turbines? The closest that a wind turbine is typically placed to a home is 300 meters or more. At that distance, a turbine will have a sound pressure level of 43 decibels.


Are wind turbines friendlier to birds than oil and gas drilling?
Historical data on bird populations around wind farms and around oil and gas drilling sites have been compiled and compared. The result is a negligible impact to bird population in wind farms compared to a 15%-25% drop in oil and gas production sites.Jan 17, 2024

Across the United States, between 365 million to about 1 billion birds die each year from colliding with glass in skyscrapers and low-rise buildings. Window strikes are the second-leading cause of bird deaths, behind cats.

CAT
We should tear down all skyscrapers and kill all cats. 🤣🤣😈


By SAGGY_GRANNY at 16,Mar,24 15:29 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
‘ There's something different': Reporter stunned by changes in 'age-impaired' Trump’

That was New Yorker's Susan Glasser's takeaway after watching Trump hold court with his MAGA supporters at a rally in Rome, Georgia after clinching the Republican delegates needed for the GOP's presidential 2024 nomination.

"On November 5th, the curtain closes on Crooked Joe’s corrupt reign, and the sun rises on a brand new day for Georgia and for America, right," the former president said.

Glasser's story described Trump's nearly two-hour stump speech as "rambling, unhinged, vituperative, and oh-so-revealing".
She then appeared on MSNBC to discuss it in depth. Trump's vision, contrasted with his previous runs in 2016 and 2020, came off as dire and it disturbed her. “There is something, you know, different this time," she stated before continuing, "It is not just the level of grievance and revenge and retribution — it's actually the dystopian hellscape. It is much worse and darker than even the American carnage speech frankly." That speech took place in 2017 when, fresh off his victory, Trump was inaugurated and claimed: "This American carnage stops right here and stops right now." Glasser was also struck by Trump's struggle with the truth and the English language. She said his "lying, rambling, ranting, much of it doesn't make much sense as you know for years he's struggled with the basics of a verb and a period — you're not going to find a lot of those there." There is also a sense that fatigue and his 77-years in age is kicking in. “Even beyond the delivery and certainly when it comes to age, you will come away from a performance like this," said Glasser. "And this is a guy who really struggles with his words, who is visibly diminished in his vocabulary and his delivery, just in the last few years."

The Clown’s brain is fried. His dementia is getting dangerous.


By phart at 08,Mar,24 18:32 other posts of phart 
only in America can a man mentally unfit to stand trial still be president.
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"Biden's own Justice Department would decline to prosecute him on different charges because they considered him mentally unfit to stand trial."
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 08,Mar,24 19:58 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Yeah! Whale, TV, pile of poop, grab women's crotch uninvited.
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By Ananas2xLekker at 13,Mar,24 14:48 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
At least Trump can now use the defense that he's mentally unfit to stand trial.
It's a better defense than anything he has tried so far.

Well, actually he is not even trying to defend himself, he's just trying to obstruct
and delay, until he can steal the presidency and pardon himself.
Strange, right? If he's innocent, he would have some defense.

He used to say he didn't take any documents. At least you know now that was a lie.
Then he had his lawyers lie for him. That's worse, Biden didn't do that. Right?
Then he tried to destroy evidence showing that he had them. Did Biden do that?
Why wouldn't he just have given back those documents, when they asked? Biden did.
For a 'mentally unfit man', Biden was a lot smarter about it, than Trump.
So yeah, pleading insanity is not such a bad idea, for Trump.
But, I guess that would make him unfit to run for president. Right?


By dgraff at 13,Mar,24 20:48 other posts of dgraff 
Just show me one woman that don’t want their crotch grabbed by a rich man
By Ananas2xLekker at 14,Mar,24 10:20 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Wow, that's dismissive of 99% of women who want to be independent human beings.
Even in 1950's red rural Christian areas, some women didn't want to be men's pets.
By dgraff at 14,Mar,24 11:17 other posts of dgraff 
It might be but like my old lady if I didn’t kick her off to work every day she would be perfectly fine staying at home and letting me foot the bills that is what I bace my last opinion on I think she would be perfectly fine if a rich man grabbed her crotch in hopes of falling in love with him and sponging off him the rest of her life doing nothing but lazing around all day in her night gown
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Mar,24 17:28 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Some women will prostitute themselves. Promiscuity is one thing, prostitution is another.


By phart at 14,Mar,24 19:26 other posts of phart 
No but there is a issue though.
If a woman says a man does something to her, she is believed by all and the man is convicted by society and the law with little to no way to defend himself.
Let a woman do something to a man he is offended by and he is just laughed out, given no creditability.

For equality to work, both should treated the same by the law.




By leopoldij at 14,Mar,24 19:07 other posts of leopoldij 
Right. Stay away from the mentally sick trump. He'll molest any female without her consent and he'll pay her from your tax money to conver it up.
By phart at 14,Mar,24 19:34 other posts of phart 
And photos can be produced of biden sniffing little girls hair and clutching onto women making them visibly uncomfortable on film.
I think it is time for a AI president."someone" in a box that we all report to, bring sacrifices to.
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 14,Mar,24 21:53 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Phart, you don't see a difference???
By phart at 15,Mar,24 00:33 other posts of phart 
Not much.
A little girl does not feel comfortable with a old adult male sniffing of them.
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An adult woman could,if they are woman enough, slap the hell out of a man for grabbing, or sniffing. A kid can't.
That's 1 thing that urks me,is what happened to women just slapping the hell out of somebody BEFORE things go to far?



By phart at 15,Mar,24 01:22 other posts of phart 
leo,cat, the muslims robots can't even keep their hands to themselves!
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 12:03 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Off with their arms, I say!
By phart at 15,Mar,24 16:28 other posts of phart 
oh these things are just in their infancy. I just read about 1 AI bot that determined on it's own that it was being tested and reported it to the tester.


By leopoldij at 15,Mar,24 15:56 other posts of leopoldij 
Trump isn't Muslim. He's not Christian either. Not even an atheist. He's just a mentally sick dontgiveasgitter. He'll grab any woman or man by the pussy, including his own daughter, because he can get away with it. So far.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 16:00 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Last sentence is true, hopefully.






By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 15:59 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Officially in crisis mode’: Miami Pollo Tropical restaurants ran out of black beans
Connie Ogle

Miami Armageddon was averted Friday when thousands if not millions of hungry Pollo Tropical customers were at long last able to order black beans again.

‘Officially in crisis mode’: Miami Pollo Tropical restaurants ran out of black beans
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OMG


By phart at 15,Mar,24 00:36 other posts of phart 
gas 3.07 this morning,3.40 this afternoon. Thanks joe.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 14:39 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Why Joe? We are self-sufficient now. Shouldn’t you be thanking big oil?
By phart at 15,Mar,24 15:32 other posts of phart 
NO because has he allowed the pipeline to continue,we would have a surplus and fuel would be cheaper.but he is trying to f0rce his green shit on the country and it don't work.
Another charging station manufacture filed bankruptcy this week. how can you charge your car if you cant find a charger?
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
The pipeline is a PIPE DREAM. get over it. Surplus fuel would have been controlled by THE BIG OIL COMPANIES. Why can’t you get it?





By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 11:55 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
By system 15,Mar,24 02:45
You were blacklisted by Trump_supporter_7

Ok, so that's #2, #6, and now #7. Trump_Supporter_7, you should ask Admin to give you an automatic CAT blacklisting with every new account.
🤣🤣🤣🖕
By Gntlmn at 15,Mar,24 13:06 other posts of Gntlmn 
LoL... that turd's like a snake on Medusa's head
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By phart at 10,Mar,24 23:42 other posts of phart 
Well this is horriabe but at least it is closure for the family.
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Shady Oaks mobile home park
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 00:57 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It's horrible. Poor baby.

By Ananas2xLekker at 11,Mar,24 17:35 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
I though crime only happened in New York? This is Florida, DeSantis' state.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 11,Mar,24 21:47 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Did you know that the state of Alabama has way more crime than New York City?
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Mar,24 10:00 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
Per capita, the average crime rate of the red states is much higher than
the crime rate of the blue states. Especially the violent crime.

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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 12,Mar,24 12:31 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
It's true. All these Bible toting, "I'm holier than thou" Repuckers/Christians, break the law much more often than normal people.
By Ananas2xLekker at 12,Mar,24 15:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker 
"In 2021, atheists made up only 0.1% of the federal prison population"
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By SAGGY_GRANNY at 13,Mar,24 00:54 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
'nuff said'

By phart at 15,Mar,24 11:10 other posts of phart 
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also flashed up at the top, man shot with crossbow in london.
Sure you europeans are so civilized and better than everyone else,no crime,no hate ,just everything so great.


yea right.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 15,Mar,24 12:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
Who said that? What we've been saying is that gun violence in this country has spiraled out of control. Crime is in every country and will always be there.







By sherryann at 13,Mar,24 02:47 other posts of sherryann 
Sad. truth took too long. Female should be held accountable too. Murders like that all parties involved are
responsible.
By phart at 13,Mar,24 02:54 other posts of phart 
exactly, how can a person live with that knowledge, knowing who killed someone, and buried them in a trailer park and not tell anyone. And the killer had been dead a long time to.at the least ,should a opened up as soon as that asshole croaked out.
By SAGGY_GRANNY at 13,Mar,24 13:35 other posts of SAGGY_GRANNY 
I thought the same, Phart.





By phart at 15,Mar,24 00:25 other posts of phart 
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Buyers remorse.
""Whenever anybody walks into a grocery store ... [when] they're coming out, it's a period of shock," the Pennsylvania Republican said on Newsmax's "American Agenda." "Gas prices are going back up. In that poll, it showed as well how crime is No. 2 on people's concerns, even ahead of the unmitigated disaster at our border."

Sorry cat
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59% said the state of the union reading was divisive ,not unifying.
"Fifty-nine percent of registered voters told Forbes/HarrisX pollsters that Biden's speech served to divide the country further, not unify it, compared to 41% who said the opposite."





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