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 | What are your proposals for Elon Musk, to make Twitter that free public square of ideas, that most people hope he turns Twitter into. Do you think it will be possible to have Twitter exist without any rules on what you are allowed to say or post on it? Do you think some rules are 'common sense'? How does the law apply to it? And should it be free (financially) or would Twitter also allow 'free speech', if Elon introduces subscriptions, requiring payment on a monthly basis, for features that used to be free? |
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But of course YOU think it abides by your Constitution,
because you don't understand the least thing about it.
It's about the wealthiest person in the world, buying one of the biggest social media companies in the world, and about free speech rights itself. There are major political view differences associated with that. If that is a topic not worthy of discussion, than what is?
If this political topic shouldn't be allowed on this site, because this is a site for dickpics, than all political topics should be deleted.
However, there is no TOS limiting political topics on this site.
But I agree; Elon is shit, even without believing he shot JFK, 8 years before his birth.
If your political ad gender is so.. pay the right to have a say on and dick/cunt site. Or Shut the fuck up 😀
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BTW Your google searches are full of
Misinformation
I don't have that many friends here but I do have a good amount, and, believe me, I don't chat about the state of the USA with them. The forums are different. That's where I go to find real life. Ananas, I suspect, does too. 😈
I know sites like Reddit, Quora, Discourse and many others exist, but I haven't found any as accessible as this dickpic site yet. It's strength is simplicity.
I had no idea the netherlands would spend millions to build a road they would have to keep the water pumped out of except reading about here.
That idea would NOT float here in the US. just to cost prohibitive.
As for who shot JFK, The government had him and Marylin killed. period. Otherwise the information would have been released decades ago.
Marylin just overheard to much while her and JFK were together so she got snuffed. Apparently the government forgot where the term "dumb blond" came from.
It came from the Mobsters keeping hot blonds around that would not talk about what they saw or heard.
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Why? Don't they want to, or are they not able to?
Can normal people not pay their rent and get away with it?
Your a capitalist; do contracts not matter anymore?
Are no 'points' appearing in your brain, if you hear that news?
May be looking for cheaper space and thought the landlord would offer a lower rate if they stayed?
Besides, the "royal" family is wealthy enough, they shouldn't even be collecting rent. they should be letting company's use the land and buildings rent free.It's not like the people of london are being screwed. who cares about a rich king getting the shaft?
You wouldn't care if Trump wasn't being paid rent would you?
Same difference.
But yes ,contracts and rent should be honored but there is probably more to the story than we are being told. The buildings may not be up to code? The buildings may be lacking Maintenace and updates? violations of a contract perhaps? Lets hear all the story first.
If you rented a car and it stayed in the shop more than you were able to use it, you would eventually get tired of paying rent for something you did not get any good out of right?
"May be looking for cheaper space and thought the landlord would offer a lower rate if they stayed?" Exactly, that's how you do it in capitalism. And then you leave and pay your bills, up to the last day of use. Or you start a lawsuit if you have good arguments about being coerced.
I have no love for the royal family, but why do you care? All people who own and rent out massive property are wealthy. And now that one capitalist is doesn't hold up to a contract with another capitalist, it matters that one is royalty?
IS ELON MUSK NOT WEALTHY ENOUGH TO PAY HIS RENT?
If Trump was not paid the rent that someone owes him and there was no lawful reason for that, I would stand for the law.
"there is probably more to the story than we are being told" If arguments are presented in Twitter's/Elon Musks favor, than I might agree. I do not assume there is 'more to the story' until it's presented, just because I like one of the sides. That's what right-wingers do; taking the side they like most, no matter the evidence or lack of evidence.
"if you are a socialist right now in the US, then you have it made for a few more years" Because now the corporate neo-liberals protect the status quo for a while, instead of the fascists turning the US even further in a theocratic oligarchy, leftists have reached all their goals?
As long as I live in a capitalist system, I obey its rules.
If I protest the exploitative nature of it, I do it by the rules democracy has provided.
'bitching if you do not get your way' is exactly what Elon Musk is doing.
He is the wealthiest capitalist in the world and he is not playing by the rules of either capitalism or democracy, by refusing to pay his rent. He is just breaking the law.
You normally pretend to hate everyone who breaks the law, but that is only for people that you don't like. You just like when Elon Musk breaks the law, because you see him as god-emperor now, since you think he will allow the N-word and your fascist leader on Twitter, even when you are not on Twitter yourself. Did you like Elon and rush to protect Elon, when he was just selling electric cars?
[It's not free speech to break the first amendment, with racism, by threatening people, inciting violence, defaming your opponents, asking for campaign donations and using it fraudulently to enrich yourself, be obscene just by being yourself and use fighting words and threats daily. Except for child porn, Trump has violated every TOS that social media are required by law to have.]
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Racism is not in there? Correct, it has it's own laws overruling free speech laws.
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Elon Musk doesn't give a damn about free speech. He just want to decide what IS 'free speech' on his platform. And make that speech not FREE anymore, but have
his users PAY for it. The users must pay, for dumb Elon paying twice the value.
Meanwhile the value is dropping, because Elon is firing all the human resources that the company had developed. People are a company's greatest asset.
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The idiot even fired the people who sell the ads to advertisers. That's 89% of Twitter's revenue, you could say; the whole business model.
Besides that, a bird logo and the value of legitimacy, that once Twitter had, the value of the company is nothing. And they are even selling that bird logo: only registered users can see external links
For everyone that the YouTube algorithm shows other voices:
'What does Elon Musk Really Want with Twitter? - Dec 2022'
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maybe if you are nice she might "ALLOW" you to.
Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, but what he doesn't have is control over the people. Jeff Bezos, with Amazon, has power over lots of consumers, to determine with algorithms who sees what products, from which reseller. He has the power to give and take away a marketplace for entrepreneurs, controlling their voice against his dominance. And he owns The Washington Post.
Google and YouTube have the power to control information with algorithms, controlling the source of information and controlling who has access to which information.
Every wealthy person wants control over information and the digital economy.
Elon Musk didn't have that yet, but it was worth 44 billion to him, to get it.
It's amazing that this is happening.
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It's a shifty world.
They do not trust the government, but they somehow do trust
wealthy people and corporations to not exploit them.
Trusting Elon Musk with free speech is like trusting a wolf to guard your sheep.
But to some people free speech is just being allowed to say the n-word.
Elon might allow that and then ban anything he doesn't like personally.
It shouldn't be up to him or some other random wealthy guy,
that's what people invented democracy and the law for.
I support regulating all social media like public utilities and not allow them
to have their own Terms of Service limiting what people can say on their platforms
or who they are allowed to ban. And I would restrict the hell out of algorithms.
The idea of government regulating free speech puts it in a position to create a dictatorship.
For example ,had Trump been given the power to take CNN's funding,and result in it's being off the air ,that would fit in your idea of government funding ,and government control. would you want that?
You honestly expect the government to pay for something but not stick their fingers in it??
I have some cheap beach front property in north dakota for sale.
Purse strings are leashes.
You don't get to vote who owns Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. or what they allow you to say, using their private property. Once they eliminate the competition, which they have and always will, you have no say over them taking away free speech.
I know your government isn't 'of the people, by the people, for the people',
but it should be. Then you're in control, because it's then 'public property',
not the 'private property' of some random wealthy sociopath.
That's why government control is better than corporate control.
He was at 56.4% 'Yes', 2 hours ago.
Another dumb move, unless he wants to make some other person CEO.
Besides,it could be construed as racist to expect him to step down since he is African American.
Because he lost his poll and doesn't want to step down now.
If he knew he would lose this poll, why did he do it?
It's making him look like a loser, to most of the world.
Only dumb-asses like you can think this is somehow positive.
He's calling his own poll 'rigged' and blaming a 'bot army'.
Is he, as owner and CEO, not in the best position to prove that?
So where is that prove? What is the real outcome of the poll then?
If Elon thinks this is good for Twitter, he's a dumb-ass.
He will still have control over key things though.
He responded to the poll as he said he would.
I think liberals are just mad at him and want to hat3 on him because he is exposing what everyone was trying to say,that twitter was being censored by the government.He is showing proof.I hope he dumps all the dirt, showing just how sinister the democrat operation really is.
because it makes him look like a clown.
If Elon wanted to be just the owner and have a new CEO lead Twitter,
because he understands that he is a dumb-ass, who is wrecking the company
and his investment, he could have done that in a much less humiliating way.
I am starting to really like Elon Musk.
He says what is on his mind and that of many others.
I never considered him to be a genius, but he's now showing actual stupidity.
I really didn't think he was that dumb. How the hell did he have so much success?
Just another narcissist failing upward, apparently. Or dumb luck.
Only in the USA can a dumb-ass become a billionaire.
He doesn't pay severance pay for all the people he fired and he fired his lawyer.
He stopped paying rent for all Twitter offices, to cut costs.
It doesn't work that way. Can you stop paying your rent, to cut costs?
Maybe he didn't mean to stop paying rent, but he just fired the bill paying guy.
He's a dumb-ass!!
Even if he destroys Twitter and loses $44 billion, you will still think he's a genius.
If you don't have a brain, it's hard to recognize a good one.
Besides
,i bet the rent is ridicules where it is located now.
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If he would get a nice tax handout to move to Florida, I would call that a smart move.
But, he has not done anything smart in the whole Twitter debacle, so far.
Tesla stock has been dropping hard, because his investors and customers now understand what a dumb-ass he is. Do you think conservatives will start investing in and buying electric cars now? If that happens, I will call Elon a genius.
Elon will never make $44 billion+ from changing Twitter into Fascist-Social.
There are not enough right-wingers and companies who want to advertise on a
right-wing hangout, to ever make that a good money making strategy.
Twitter will just disappear, another better moderated social media company
will just take over and Elon will lose his $44 billion.
more than 7 out of 10? is a fringe group??
1,000 likely voters over a two-day period (Dec. 12-13).
It was conducted by Public Opinion Research, LLC, with a margin-of-error rate of 3 percentage points.
Wow, yes, that's a mighty big poll. You know what? I say, " Let them investigate." We need another big laugh served by you Repuckers.
Not really possible for everyone in the US not to have a opinion on stuff because of the mass media.
No one with common sense would deny a virus can travel by air. But i remember VERY well, listening to felchy,fauci saying we didn't need mask for at least 2 months of the plandemic.
Giving it 1 hell of a head start to spread accross the country.
AND i personally watched the maps early on and when the cruise ships released the first infected people and they went home, you could literally watch the case numbers grow along I95 and other major hwys that they traveled on.
Fauci could and should have dictated those people STAY on those ships until the virus was dealt with, He did nothing to stop that spread.
The man allows to much to go wrong. Also,if he was being honest about the vaccines and so forth,why are the records sealed for 75 fucking years in regards to their testing and the results???? The sumbitch is hiding alot, and I don't need mass media to change my mind or fill it full of bullshit.I am capable of some deductive reasoning on my own.
The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”
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The CDC is the ultimate word on infectious deseases in this country. Less than one month after Dr Fauci made that statement the CDC advocated for masks. I remember Trump saying (he said a lot of crap about Covid) that we didn't need to worry about Covid around that time. Dr Fauci was the medical advisor to Trump, not the official agency that was responsible for warning people of the dangers of Covid.
And then you see a poll about Fauci as verification of the truth.
That's like Russians believing that the attack on Ukraine was warranted.
If the people hear nothing but propaganda they will believe it.
You finally figured it out,but got it backwards.
THE American people are being treated just like the Russian people.
We are fed bullshit from only 1 side and are expected to believe it. THe democrats feed us bullshit and we are just supposed to ask for the salt shaker.
He is African American!
He was born in Pretoria, South Africa.
So be carful in your rants about him and his work he could claim it was racist and sue you and cancel you and all that jazz.
I couldn't care less if it didn't exist.
However, I do not support absolute free speech, which includes knowingly spreading false information with the intent to harm specific people, the intent to scam people, to threaten people or to incite violence on people. These are exceptions to free speech according to US law and I support those. The Netherlands has something pretty similar.
However, is it still free speech if Elon starts asking money for verification, he obliterates any criticism of him personally and maybe soon his companies, he decides who actually gets to see the tweets and he still keeps up all the invasions of privacy and collecting of information that Twitter has been doing?
You can't keep saying things like "how much stupider can you get"? to liberals, they take it as a dare or make a mission to find out.
Are you acknowledging that I was right, that free speech is not helped
by some rich asshole buying up a social media company?
Musk doesn't care about free speech, he cares about money, power and praise.
All the right-wingers were enthusiastic about Elon Musk buying Twitter, because he said he would let your orange buffoon back on. Even if he did, that would only be temporary, because advertisers don't like to be associated with fascists.
That's not a good revenue model to run a big social media company like Twitter.
And because Musk paid $44 billion, he doesn't want to let it sink to the dark corners of the internet, where Trump's stupid fascist ideas belong. Free speech doesn't guarantee an audience or advertisers who want to be associated with it.
My selfsucking days are over. At 49, I will never be flexible enough again.
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But I predict that twitter will just go broke and go away. Not that I care one way or another.
Actually, I couldn't care less if twitter, Facebook, etc, all that crap, would go away. The world would be better.
think about that for a minute, you may know your job well, but when the transmission goes out in your car,you hire a man that knows transmissions.
Ok, for Musk, he may not know how a social media company ticks but he can spot inefficiency's ,like the free lunch bullshit for twitter employees, and eliminate them right off the bat .Once he gets the company trimmed down with less wasted money, he can use the savings to hire someone to tweek it.
But anybody running a company sets the vision. They can hire people execute the vision, but need to know and express the idea about what they want. It isn't clear that musk has any idea about what he is doing. He paid way too much money for a company loosing as much money as twitter is. Eliminating free lunches isn't going to save it and will drive some employees away.
Alienating commercial subscribers will not help either. I am not a known stockholder.
Really just to back up to the start of it, I don't know why Elon wanted it to start with?
He has demonstrated time and time again he can start a new company and make it work. Why buy twitter when he could have started Quacker or Oinker and put the little blue bird out in the woods the fun way.
Deplatforming a sitting president undermined public trust in Twitter for half of America
Most liberals have higher education than most right-wingers.
Most liberals have critical reasoning skills and knowledge pertaining reality.
Most liberals have at least some interest in science and the truth, other than what they get fed by their corporate media, while you just consume their biassed lies.
Some have actual scientific knowledge and skills, making that 'common sense' of yours absolutely, laughably, childishly inferior. True common sense requires a trained brain.
Your brain is not even capable of seeing patterns in facts, which is necessary for the ability to perceive, understand, and judge in a manner that is shared by most people. Basically, you don't even have 'common sense'.
Critical reasoning, that is BS. I guess if you call woke crap critical reasoning.
Liberals interested in science is also BS. They are interested in fiction.
Some have...really. Now that was laughable. Dementia and a cackler. Trained brain is something the libturds do not have, guess we have mega trained brains or ultra trained brains. So you as a socialist do not have a brain to train.
"Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgement."
If you think that is BS, than please explain how people can separate facts from fiction. Just by choosing to listen to people who tell you things that you like to hear? Then why do you like hearing these things?
I studied the price of gas during Trump,and I priced gas under biden and it is higher.
I could buy alot more grocery's under Trump than I can under biden.So that means something during bidens rule is prompting a issue. Prices consistently higher, contradictions from washington as to why and etc
and etc.
Critical thinking, never knew using common sense and personal experiences and observations to come up with a logical answer had a name,
Show a connection between what Biden did and how that resulted in inflation.
Trump pumped 4.5 trillion in the stock market and massively increased your debt.
A stock market based on inflated air instead of true value can cause inflation.
At least I can show some correlation between Trump and inflation.
My correlation is 4.5 trillion big. What is your Biden correlation?
Logic requires cause and effect. You fail to show cause and effect.
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But he has to get the Thai mini-sub out first.
Petulant childen
Elon bought into a rigged game... and paid way too much for a shit stain product
Another tech company that was overvalued at best...
If either of them vanished I couldn't care less.
Cuz the only thing that matters to Americans,is the dollars in their pockets!!!
Gotta give props to the Twitter board for filing their case against musk in Delaware!!!
I wonder how much Saudi money is invested too!!
As for the actual site itself,I don't use it, can't have a conversation when you are limited to how many characters you can use!!
It's just full of people who have too much time on their hands!!
Social media in general has fucked people up!!
It just echo chambers..
But maybe he thinks he can open a new market for his cars,
when he succeeds in giving conservatives their platform.
Maybe it's even worth the money for him, if Twitter goes dodo.
I've never seen any love for 'free speech' in Elon Musk before.
Twitter was already a cesspool, but it promises to be even worse.
Still, I think that free marketplace of ideas is important.
But how can Elon create that, without it becoming even more of a cesspool
and an echo chamber. He's off to a rocky start.
I'm neutral about Elon Musk. I like that he made EV's cool and pulled innovation on that front. His boring company has potential to help alleviate congestion in cities. I'm neutral about SpaceX. And I do think he's going into Twitter with maybe the right intentions, but
he has a whole lot of stupid ideas about it and is making a big mess of it, at this time.
If you want to have the free public square of ideas, you don't want it privately owned by a billionaire. It should be a public service and it's shouldn't be controlled by algorithms who are designed to pull people to the furthest extremes of ideas they once showed any interest in. That's not a public square, that's a rabbit hole. It should be designed to challenge people's beliefs and make people think. And there should also be some moderation, to make sure people are not threatening, doxing or scamming each other
or posting illegal content from child molesters.
Having that publicly owned free public square of ideas is probably not realistic,
so if Elon Musk turns Twitter close to something like my ideal, I would be pleased
and I might even join Twitter. However with his current ideas, I would have left,
if I was on Twitter.
So I started this topic, to discuss what Elon should do, to make Twitter great.