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 | Protests (peaceful that is) are ok, but kneeling before the American Flag???That is a disgrace and dishonor...Why do many want to dishonor our American Vets...Yes, I admit this is a free Country, so feel free overpaid athletes to disrespect it if that is how you feel...There are other ways to protest is all that I am trying to get across...Saddens me to see people kneeling before the Nations Flag while the National Anthem is playing...Actually, tearful... ༼☯﹏☯༽ |
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Appears to be a hollow ruleing.
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Black national anthem? Since when do blacks get their own anthem? This is the UNITED states of America,not the divided by racism states of America.
So much for all this equality and shit they have been talking about. what a joke.
All any logical person can see is more division, and less trust between peoples. Nothing to reinforce the so claimed desires of equality or tolerance.
I won't buy those things, that those traitors endorse!!
Out of uniform and thus virtually out of the public eye, Colin Kaepernick took a seat during the national anthem before the San Francisco 49ers’ first preseason game in 2016. He did it again the next week, and again the moment passed with little notice.
On Aug. 26, 2016, after the 49ers’ third preseason game, Kaepernick was asked about his silent protest during the anthem. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color,” he said. “To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way.”
The next week, after consulting with former NFL player and Green Beret Nate Boyer, Kaepernick decided instead to kneel. With that single action, Kaepernick set in motion waves that even now define sports in 21st-century America. It was the single most significant act of athlete protest since the 1968 Olympics, and Kaepernick himself forced difficult conversations in America like no one since Muhammad Ali. Admire him or loathe him — and there is seemingly no middle ground here — it’s clear that Colin Kaepernick is the most influential athlete of the 21st century.
That "guy" that started the whole mess said that he asked a vet his opinion and was given his blessing. I served 8.5 years and can tell you that the "guy" managed to find the opinion of a 1 in 2,000. They are odd balls, black sheep, and rarely fit in. Typically, they were lied to by their recruiters, and hate everything about the military.
You can wipe your butt with the flag, burn it, or even kneel before it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's like blaming Australia for the actions of the Elks Lodge and The American Cancer Association. If you wish to protest you need prominent people, IE they usually have vast influence over politicians and are very wealthy. Good luck with that. Money gets their attention and if you cut it off jobs are lost. Besides the fact that the country is divided into trillions of facets and will never stand united. Too many people just want to stay in their little groups casting stones at their neighbors. Who wants progress when we can keep living like cavemen.
Two party system has this Country so divided and enslaved to a sensitive system it can't change without chaos.
There are so many underlying values to this comment.
You wouldn't say something like that, if the country was perfect.
Then why would people not be allowed to show the country has problems?
If you think chaos is needed, why are you even concerned about people kneeling?
Major parties[edit]
Active parties having garnered at least 4% in the latest general/European election or being represented by at least 30 MPs or 5 MEPs:
Five Star Movement (Movimento 5 Stelle)
Northern League – League for Salvini Premier (Lega Nord – Lega per Salvini Premier)
Democratic Party (Partito Democratico)
Forward Italy (Forza Italia)
Brothers of Italy (Fratelli d'Italia)
Italy Alive (Italia Viva)
Courage Italy (Coraggio Italia)
Minor parties[edit]
Active parties having garnered at least 0.5% of the vote in a general/European election or having elected at least one MP/MEP/regional councillor with their own lists or having been represented by at least 5 MPs or 2 MEPs or in 3 different Regional Councils.
Action (Azione)
Alliance of the Centre (Alleanza di Centro)
Article One (Articolo Uno)
Centrists for Europe (Centristi per l'Europa)
Communist Party (Partito Comunista)
Communist Refoundation Party (Partito della Rifondazione Comunista)
Democratic Centre (Centro Democratico)
Energies for Italy (Energie per l'Italia)
Green Europe (Europa Verde)
Identity and Action (Identitа e Azione)
Italian Animalist Party (Partito Animalista Italiano)
Italian Left (Sinistra Italiana)
Italian Liberal Party (Partito Liberale Italiano)
Italian Republican Party (Partito Repubblicano Italiano)
Italian Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Italiano)
Italy of Values (Italia dei Valori)
Italy in Common (Italia in Comune)
Let's Change! (Cambiamo!)
Moderates (Moderati)
More Europe – Italian Radicals (Piщ Europa – Radicali Italiani)
New Force (Forza Nuova)
New Italian Socialist Party (Nuovo Partito Socialista Italiano)
Pensioners' Party (Partito Pensionati)
Popular Alternative (Alternativa Popolare)
Populars for Italy (Popolari per l'Italia)
Possible (Possibile)
Pound House Italy (CasaPound Italia)
Power to the People (Potere al Popolo)
Solidary Democracy (Democrazia Solidale)
There is the Alternative (L'Alternativa c'и)
The People of Family (Il Popolo della Famiglia)
Tricolour Flame (Fiamma Tricolore)
Union of the Centre (Unione di Centro)
Us with Italy (Noi con l'Italia)
Workers' Communist Party
I believe that laws deter the abiding and punishment deters the criminal. I would like to see prisons turned into actual prisons and sentences vastly increased. However, I feel that the entire Judicial System needs a vast overhaul first. Too many innocent people incarcerated because they were pressured into a plea deal.
Getting “Candy” is hardly on their mind.
They are getting exactly what they want. Destruction, hatred, separation ,etc.
What could a liberal bitch about if all the worlds problems were fixed? Liberals suicide rate would go thru the roof if all the worlds problems were fixed.
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Hindrances to free and fair elections in authoritarian systems may include:[27]
Control of the media by the authoritarian incumbents.
Interference with opposition campaigning.
Electoral fraud.
Violence against opposition.
Large-scale spending by the state in favor of the incumbents.
Permitting of some parties, but not others.
Prohibitions on opposition parties, but not independent candidates.
Allowing competition between candidates within the incumbent party, but not those who are not in the incumbent party.
So, are you a liberal bitching about liberals?
I just don't understand what's wrong with liberals bitching?
There are other possibilities to manage society then a state government,
that is either hands-off (personal responsibility) or hands-on (nanny state).
That choice between libertarianism and authoritarianism is a 'false dichotomy'.
We don't need to oppress people to have more equality and freedom,
we need to reduce oppression to have more equality and freedom!
The imperfection of humans can only be overcome in the safety of organized society. Utopia is off course unattainable, but we surely can achieve a hell of
a lot better than the selfish shitshow most of humanity is suffering from now. There is one consolation; with the current rate of destruction, it will probably
all come to an end soon.
President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.
There already is destruction, hatred and separation. How about fixing some of it?
Do you think people just really like protesting? It's not like anything has been accomplished since they started protesting.
But this is the conservative way of thinking; let's not solve any problem ever, because at some point there won't be any problems left.
Conservatives are all about doing nothing, because everything is perfect.
How can they fix the problems they are protesting about, if guys like you say "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"
I'm not Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I'm not conservative, I'm not liberal, I'm not authoritarian...Im an American. We the people, all men are created equal, the constitution...you know, American. You all love your teams.
Whomever thinks that the system is just fine is 100% steeple. Just remember that a wolf may take a sheep every once and a while. However, the Sheppard would cull the entire flock for a dollar.
So it depends what you think is the cause for the broken judicial system and government. Is it corrupt, under-represented, underfunded, overpriced, self-serving, moralistic, unethical, egocentric, elitist, favoritism, nepotism or anything else? Then vote for the politician(s) who mostly represents the opposite of what you see as the problem, independent of their political affiliation.
That person will probably not win, but it's the most you can do.
Ever heard George Carlin's take on not voting?
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Democracy has it's problems, but I don't know of any better systems.
The problem is just that the people are divided so much, that the politicians can just fearmonger about the other side and never have to actually work for the people. That only benefits the people who don't want the government to do anything at all. It sounds like you're not one of them.
In general, citizens under a parliamentary system are more satisfied with their government, than citizens under a presidential system.
National Socialist Movement
The group is notable for its violent antisemitic rhetoric, its racist views and its policy allowing members of other racist groups to join NSM while remaining members of other groups. NSM became the largest membership-based neo-Nazi group in this country through the 2000s and into the following decade. The group’s brand and tactics of demonstrating in quasi-Nazi uniforms stalled, and its membership tally subsequently dipped. Since 2015, the group has sought to reinvigorate itself by forming coalitions with other white power groups. NSM arrived at the center of the deadly riot in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017 via that strategy, which devastated the group. NSM’s membership continues to dwindle, and its former leader, Jeff Schoep, remains a defendant in the Sines v. Kessler civil trial, which targets those who planned and promoted the deadly 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville.
I just posted 3 articles addressed to Phart. They fit here too
White Lives Matter, a racist response to the civil rights movement Black Lives Matter, is a neo-Nazi group that is growing into a movement as more and more white supremacist groups take up its slogans and tactics.
BUt sometimes you have to either stand back or support the group with the most resources fighting for causes you believe in. Same as the liberals. Most are 2 lazy to loot and riot, so they donate money to bail out the 1's that do. I am not a nazi,and feel like that route is WRONG as the liberals route,but at the moment,do you see anyone else trying to protect our rights from a conservatives view point?
I think we should be the toughest of critics on anything our countries do. It's the people who make the nation any good, not the symbolism. If any critique is dismissed as disrespect for the symbolism, than the people are not developing their country. And lack of development is regression.
Get woke, go broke.
No protest needed.
If sports figures want to protest do it by not playing the "game" whatever it may be. Don't disrespect your country, your flag or the veterans who died protecting your freedoms to essentially whine about some trivial problem with a small minority of a minority race that has no respect for law and order.
How many blacks actually disrespect the law? Few,but those are the only 1's you hear about. law abiding blacks need to make themselves known by protesting the idolization of the thugs like floyd.
The veterans who died protecting our freedoms make it possible to disrespect the country and the flag but I doubt kneeling during the national anthem can be stretched into such disrespect.
You describe these protests as : People whine about some trivial problem with a small minority of a minority race that has no respect for law and order.
You are a racist.
If you had said, “People whine about some trivial problem and a portion of the people has no respect for the law.” Would have been acceptable even though these problems are not trivial. Your take is that this is done only by a minority like blacks. That makes you a racist.
He may not be an NFL player anymore, but, his activism is alive and well and he laughs at all you "I'M A PATRIOT" wanna-bees--------------------------------------- added after 2 minutesNFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said in August that he wishes he had "listened earlier" to Kaepernick. With national protests erupting across the country over the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery and Jacob Blake, the NFL has launched a set of social justice initiatives, which includes stenciling "It Takes All Of Us" and "End Racism" in the end zones all season long.--------------------------------------- added after 3 minutes(CNN)Nike released an all-black jersey to commemorate the four years since former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick took a knee to peacefully protest against systemic racism and social injustice during the National Anthem.
The Icon Jersey 2.0, which retails for $150, went on sale Thursday morning and sold out in less than a minute, Nike confirmed to CNN.--------------------------------------- added after 4 minutes"Four years ago, I took a knee to protest against systemic racism and social injustice. It was that day that the number on my jersey would come to represent something greater than football, something greater than me," Kaepernick wrote Thursday in a post on Instagram.--------------------------------------- added after 4 minutes"Since then, the number 7 jersey has become a symbol for advancing the liberation and well-being of Black & Brown communities. Thank you for staying True."--------------------------------------- added after 5 minutesNike said in a statement, "Through his continuous commitment, the number 7 jersey has become an iconic symbol for progress and positive change. Colin and Nike team up together once again, this time with a Triple Black jersey, paying homage to the anniversary of Kaepernick seeking what's true."
Twowarmtts3
(NIKE KNOWS HOW TO PROFIT FROM A STAR)
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So, all you bashers of Kaepernick. The man has shown he has integrity. All you guys think is that he's a failure. You are all wrong
So where is kaepernicks protest for that income inequality that he Originally was protesting?
That is how you can peacefully fix the issue.Don't buy their products,and they don't profit from the child labor.No traffic jams, no noise,no disruption to small bussiness's.Just simply break their piggy bank.
I would say these kneelers are the 1's harboring hatred for people moreso than the folks that are pointing out their lack of respect.
The country should be a donor of respect, not a beggar of it."
But is it not equally racist for a college to be black only and deny a asian person to attend?
Is it not racist to call a white person a cracker?
IF there is racism,and if it is to be dealt with, then Everyone needs to change,not just 1 side.
Historically speaking, HBCUs were created by the federal government to fund colleges that were founded prior to 1964 and focused on educating black students. However, in the many years that have passed, HBCUs have changed. More white students are applying to these schools and are benefitting from the traditional HBCU education. From required courses on history and race to service-minded extracurricular activities, white students and students of color are earning an education that is comprehensive and well-rounded. Another change is that enrollment among black students is falling, so white students and students of other races are being accepted in larger numbers in order to keep the colleges functioning.
Stand up for the flag or get on the front lines and take a bullet for it and be gone.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You can't pick and choose. Those people are redressing a grievance. They are practicing free speech and holding a peaceful assembly.
But, then again, you have no idea why thousands of our boys (and some women) gave their lives to protect these and the other words of our Constitution. Whether you like the kneeling or not, be respectful of it's meaning. I never was so ashamed of my fellow citizens as when I found out they consider our Constitution a piece of paper to show only what they want to show.
As when kapernickle started this shit, his original gripe was unequal pay.Well gee,hand over your salary there chump to those that don't make enough.that is just 1 example.
Or if you are on a team representing your country and you are supposed to kick a ball, stand for your nations anthem then just stand there and DON'T kick the ball! Protest by not doing your job!
“stand up or get out” and this “ Stand up for the flag or get on the front lines and take a bullet for it and be gone.”
You just want those athletes to win medals to honor your country. "The important thing in life is not the triumph, but the fight; the essential thing is not to have won, but to have fought well.". These athletes are fighting well for equality, despite your vilification.
That's courage.
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The players have been performing the anti-racism stance with their separate teams over the last year and the IOC relaxed its rules this month to allow Olympic athletes to make such gestures of protest in the field of play at the Tokyo Games.
No brainer.
I have this and other cyber chat on this or learning wisdom on the youtube channel or putting on music and learning what is important. What this country did was a disgrace not only to america but creating such an embarrassment to the rest of the world we may never recover and China is going to win and destroy us....I don't blame just the democrats.. Its the Pence's , Romney, Rubio's, collins, Grahms that deserved to be humg for high treason and nobody does nothing!! Its all rotton to the core.. It's over...
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You say Biden cheated in the elections First: Get a new topic. This is so old fake news, no one even bothers to answer you. Second: People like you, so misguided by the right wing nuts, state OPINIONS, but never facts. This is a public forum. Forget about me. Show proof of what you've posted to the rest of the forum. I dare you to make a blog with that proof.
China is a powerful country, but, I put my money on the good old USA. You may not believe we are capable of surviving this economic war, but, I assure you, Being UNAMERICAN like you is not the answer.
I honestly can't afford or justify the cost of pay tv. Some could consider that a loss or a sad situation,but for me, It does not bother me because even if I could afford it,I would not spend the money for lack of anything better than what I get for free.I did buy a 25 dollar roku box last month. I watched a few episodes of the A-team the other night.But some of the movies they think I would pay to watch,Forget it.
You believe in race as much as the next guy and you recognize Black, Asian, Native American or white.
As far as what you can or can not afford, that is for you to suffer or change, just like every other person has to. Some are born or get lucky to be well off. Don't blame the system or your bad luck on the means.
But so many believe what the member is saying about race.
I don't think it is a beleif, it is a fact, there are different breeds or races of humans.Period.
Blacks getting preferential treatment is a problem if They get it just because of their color. color Alone is no reason to shun 1 from the other.
Sheesh,i don't have time to watch that much tv.
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The NFL will play the Black national anthem before all games during the 2021 season, including the Sept. 9 kickoff game and the playoffs. as part of a 10-year, $250 million commitment to fighting racism in America, reports say.
Same with nascar.
This country is so that every man woman and child share the same ideas of freedom. Yet there are ones that are in favor of persecution, marxism, socialism, racism, despair, hatred, suffering and stealing from everyone. You think you are our siblings but you are not..
To Americans the love our flag and human value you are nothing but the filthy stench of microbs of some filthy disease that infest not only in this country but the rest of the world.To destroy love and unity. No, you are not our brothers.
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Unethical companies, playing on news sound-bites to make BILLIONS, on the backs of kids, in sweat shops, offshore, so labor laws don't apply!
They should 'put their money where there mouth is'. The question is whether they truly have principles or they just want to appear as being principled. Maybe they just calculated that people would forgive their exploitation of poor people, when they appeared to have a conscience. I'm sure they researched their target audience, identified them to be mostly young and liberal and designed their advertising campaigns with the purpose of gaining more customers than they would loose.
Real principles cost money and effort.
Sometimes their messaging might be even more devious. If they don't actually agree, they would support symbolism that provokes the most hostility from the opponents,
the people who actually agree with them. Then they use the backlash as plausible deniability, for not actually acting on their 'principles'.
the products they like from the manufacturers they like (and not if they don't).
Didn't the republicans in congress in 2018 try to make it a Federal Crime
to participate in boycott of Israel?
They tried to take away a right, which is one of the most sacred principles of capitalism.
Here is how it's spinned by Marco Rubio:
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Boycott, divestment, and sanctions is exactly what you want to do with Nike,
Coca Cola and other woke companies. That's your right as a consumer or investor.
But they say it is antisemitic when people boycott Israeli products that are made in illegal settlements on Palestinian land. They want to make that choice a crime.
You might like that now, but you know those laws could also be used against you.
Israel is on land given to the jews in 1945 after a terrible war and loss of 1000's of their people. why that is so hard to understand is beyond me .Palestine should know by now where their border is and stay on that side to stop the fighting.
There was a country there called Palestine. There also lived 32% Jews there,
but no one gave that land to the Jews. The British occupied Palestine and helped the Jews take the land for themselves, in a war from 1947 till 1949.
Now the Jews have taken almost all of that land for themselves and imprisoned
all the Palestinians in a tiny patch of land.
How would you like it if we gave your state to the Palestinians?
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Your country didn't free anyone either, it's just a piece of land, legally identified as a distinct entity in political geography.
You owe your freedom to a few wise men who decided that the people had the right to choose representation and then afterwards all representatives who honored that system. That freedom can be taken away if you allow your elected representatives to infringe on that system. The flag will not stop that.
Flags wave in the wind just as proudly above North Korea.
Unconditional love often turns into an abusive relationship.
A flag is a representation of our country,just a emoji here on the forum represents our thoughts.
Actually the ideals behind the flag are aligned with the ideals of those few wise men. However, if the Pledge of Allegiance is a statement of what the flag stands for, there are two problems with it.
'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all'.
1) Under the 2nd amendment the people have the right of well regulated militia, in order to overthrow your government if it starts infringing on the principles of 'liberty and justice for all'. So why should you pledge 'allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands'? It's your responsibility to not blindly follow your leaders, but watch over them on the principles of 'liberty and justice for all'.
2) The United States was designed to be a secular nation, so 'one Nation under God' should not be in there. Atheists should not be required to recite this version of the pledge. If I lived in your country, I would definitely refuse to participate in the pledge, because it disrespects atheists.
As far is I can find, there is nothing in either the constitution or the amendments requiring allegiance from it's citizens to the Flag or the United States of America
or to the Republic for which it stands.
Your rights of freedom of speech and protest are in your first amendment.
It looks like those few wise men thought those rights were the most important rights.
So if those few wise men wanted the people to watch over your country on the principles of 'liberty and justice for all', protesting the flag to show your country is not following its principles of 'liberty and justice for all' is actually consistent with the principles of those few wise men.
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If she doesn't have to do anything in sports, but speak for her community she could find a less embarrassing way to the American people to do it instead of this.
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If kneeling during the national anthem is already out of the question...
The Scottish turn around and raise their kilts.
I think you Americans are a little bit sensitive about protests.
No one so far has covered your flag in shit
and no one so far has ignored the national anthem
by closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears
and singing "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!".
If you want to protest,do it on your time,on your dime.Run naked in the street,do whatever. Just Not at a event representing your country.We are supposed to be sending our best to these events, not our shit stirrers.
but at least stand there when the national anthem is played. I don't think saluting
is mandatory. They are not soldiers and other countries don't do that either.
I only agree with you for Olympians and other athletes representing their country.
If athletes are representing just a team, that's just big business. That's between them and management. There are limits, but during working time people should have some freedom of expression. That's because the company does have some freedom of expression too and employees should not be expected to completely conform to that. Or do you think employees should work under a complete dictatorship?
How would you feel if you worked for Coca Cola or Nike and you were expected to express all their woke virtue signaling?
Employers paying someone to do a job, digging a ditch or kicking a football ,should have a defined dress code that tells a person in general the appearance the company wants to convey. Now coke or nike, they probably don't give a shit if the employees walked around naked with my whiteness is a sin written on their chest.
I know we were not allowed to wear political party related stuff and had to wear full length pants and steel toed shoes.
I don't agree, but at least you are consistent.
Self employed people can do as they please.
And they can go broke or make it to the top.
Depends on the image they project.
'the right': promoting or preserving hierarchy
'the left': pushing for egalitarianism
Our disagreement seems to confirm that. Do you agree?
"It means athletes will now be allowed to take the knee before play begins to highlight racial injustice, speak to the media and post online about their views, or wear clothing with a protest slogan at a press conference."
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The letter from the US official's regarding this sort of thing mentions respectfully in describing a protest. Turning your back to your nations flag,is not respectable.At least not to sane people.
A little google.
" with deference and respect.
"the butler bowed respectfully to them both"
used to express politeness to mitigate the effect of a refusal or disagreement.
"I must respectfully disagree with your claim"
With this in mind,I think she should be reprimanded or removed from the team.
the USA has freedom of expression!
I'm sure the Russian athletes are not allowed to express themselves against Putin,
by showing their support for Alexei Navalny.
Do you want to be like Russia?
However, that's not a symptomatic problem of my country.
When citizens feel systematically screwed by both parties, because corruption of their representatives makes the problems unsolvable, than eventually people will start blaming the country itself. Why do you think so many people don't vote anymore?
It's their freedom to feel about their country how ever they do. If they hate your country, it's because it didn't threat them right. Maybe they would leave, if they had anywhere else to go.
I am mostly happy to live in my country, but I'm not proud of my country.
I wouldn't even want to be proud of my country, because that will be misused.
Maybe you could ask yourself how good your country has been to you and if it deserves your pride. Aren't you a advocating for people being absolutely independent of their country. Why would you even be thankful of your country, if your country was no help at all, for even being alive? Be proud of yourself and don't fall for propaganda that demands pride of your country.
of mass destruction.
I agree with the slogan "Making America Great Again". Trump is great at messaging.
So he's acknowledging America was great in the past and is not anymore.
You also say you HOPE for a better future.
It looks like you see the same problems that I do (mostly) and you even wanted Trump to do something about it. There's one problem; young people CAN see
what is going on and WANT to do what is right, but YOU CAN'T.
Trump fixed nothing. He only made things worse. Maybe Biden will fix little things.
Young people wanted Bernie. He would have fixed a lot.
If the next administration is Republican again, they will fuck you up permanently.
Americans were doing pretty well in the sixties and seventies. With just the father providing for his family, people had prosperity. Why? Because of regulations and taxes on big companies and the rich; the wealth was being shared fairly.
Reagan changed that. He deregulated and cut taxes for big companies and the rich. Then the middle class started getting less prosperous and the rich got richer.
Every administration after Reagan made things worse for normal people.
Now you hardly have a middle class anymore and mostly fucking poor people.
How many fathers can still provide for their family?
So if cutting taxes and deregulation is good for people, why are they in such misery? Americans are the hardest working people in the world. I am doing pretty well, in my relatively socialist country, but I am not working that hard. The Finns and the Danes are doing even better. They don't have to work 40 hours a week, like me.
Finland and Denmark are more socialist than The Netherlands.
(the correct terminology is actually Social democracy)
Socialism is getting very popular in your country. That's because YOU always say healthcare for everyone, taxing the rich, free education and all those other very POPULAR POLICIES ARE SOCIALIST.
Young people hear that and want that. It's great advertisement, for a better future.
So if I'm proud of something, It's Social Democracy, the only system that actually helps people making the best of their life.
In China, if they did that, they would be shot. . .
"Bubbles seems to be a male, straight, last seen:16 days(s) ago"
Without any profile picture.
I can't even find any comments from him.
Anything in particular we should know?
By the way, he didn't fill in his orientation and he might be bisexual, because he also favorites pussy photos:
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As soon as you got to the part where Strongmember# started with that 3/5th's a human crap, you should have stopped the argument there. It's misinformation CONSTANTLY used to minimize the greatness OR importance of our Constitution.
Being informed sure can go a LONG way!
Understanding the three-fifths compromise
The U.S. Constitution is a document that evolves with the times. Constitutional inadequacies and societal injustices are challenged, and social progress is the result. Instead of reverence for this brilliant document that ensures our rights, it is attacked by some as a severely flawed and even a racist contract.
One of the most widely used means to defame the Constitution is to manipulate perception of the three-fifths compromise. Agenda-driven academicians and committed ideologues routinely state the U.S. Constitution only recognizes blacks as three-fifths of a person. No context is given. This often-repeated falsehood foments disrespect of the Constitution and contempt for the founders who authored it.
The U.S. Constitution does not relegate blacks to “three-fifths of a person” status. Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states: “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.” The “other Persons” were slaves.
The 1787 Constitutional Convention addressed the apportionment in the House of Representatives and the number of electoral votes each state would have in presidential elections based on a state’s population. The Southern states wanted to count the entire slave population. This would increase their number of members of Congress. The Northern delegates and others opposed to slavery wanted to count only free persons, including free blacks in the North and South.
Using the logic of the promoters of the “three-fifths of a person” interpretation, think of the constitutional ramification had the position of the Northern states and abolitionists prevailed. The three-fifths clause would have been omitted and possibly replaced with wording that stated “other Persons” would not be counted for apportionment. The Constitution, then, would be proclaiming slaves were not human at all (zero-fifths). This is an illogical conclusion and was certainly not the position of Northern delegates and abolitionists.
Counting the whole number of slaves benefited the Southern states and reinforced the institution of slavery. Minimizing the percentage of the slave population counted for apportionment reduced the political power of slaveholding states.
Denigration of the Constitution is not restricted to committed demagogues.
San Antonio’s U.S. District Judge Fred Biery addressed the Austin Bar Association on Law Day 2012. His speech focused on various social injustices in America’s past and how attorneys righted these wrongs. Biery used the example of then-recent Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III. The judge asserted that in 1787 when the Constitution was ratified, Griffin’s “ancestors … were counted only as three-fifths of a human being.” Biery is alarmingly ignorant. Or worse, he is consumed with the need to promote and further a personal creed.
There are other troubling aspects of the lifetime judge’s declaration. Biery’s speech was published in San Antonio Lawyer after he addressed the bar association. Didn’t any of the attorneys at the meeting who actually understood the meaning of that portion of the Constitution advise Biery of his misrepresentation?
David Gans is the director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights and Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center, a think tank and law firm. The Express-News published a column by him on constitutional requirements in the past year (“Count all people, as Constitution requires, March 10) in which he stated that “someone who was enslaved would be counted as three-fifths of a person” for the purpose of determining representation in Congress.
The magnitude of this constitutional illiteracy is not restricted to those on the political left. Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice routinely stated in her speeches, “In the original U.S. Constitution, I was only three-fifths of a person.”
In 1787, the founders were attempting to form a union and preserve the nascent United States. This imperfect compromise allowed for preservation of the republic while also confronting the moral and systemic evils of slavery. Erroneous and distorted interpretations of the Constitution only intensify the societal divide in America.
Hope that gives a better understanding how the Lib Left Loons consistently lie about shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. In this argument some people go back to the beginnings of our republic or early wars. Some to the Civil War. Others to the 1960's or even now to the time the first knee touched the ground during a performance of the national anthem. It's all hooey. The truth is that you and your fellow bigots know you are wrong and you try to hide behind your amendment 1 and 2 to suit your arguments. There are good, honest cops out there. Most are decent and do a hard job to the best of their ability. Then there's the sons of bitches that "call a spade a spade". They think they wear a uniform to "keep them in line". Them n I g g e r s wont get away with anything.
Well, Black Lives Matter........to blacks. White lives matter to whites. And no one wants to see that there's something basically wrong with police departments that don't weed out the bigots in their ranks. I'm up to my eyeballs listening and reading about both sides of the argument. I rather see disrespectful people than murderers and their minimisers.
ME? I SAY OUTLAW ALL GUNS AND COPS SHOULD STAY OUT OF BLACK AREAS.
That's a segregationists statement.
Another word for segregationist: racist!
How about not having black areas and white areas at all?
We are different.Equal,but different.To try to erase that difference is ignorant.
I'm not saying there are no white or black areas in The Netherlands and it's true that minorities are much more concentrated in the poor areas and much less in the rich areas, but it's much more mixed here.
I live in a moderately priced row of houses and about 30% of families are first or second generation non-white immigrants. They are all doing well in their lives. They have good jobs, their children are doing their best in school or they are getting their careers well on the way. They are friendly, hospitable, social and trustworthy. As a matter of fact they make much better neighbors than the white people. In our whole street there are two white families we socialize with and the rest are just neighbors we greet on the street and maybe have some small talk with. They are all very private people.
The non white people are much more open and inviting. There are two families we socialize with regularly and two other families every now and then.
It feels like they just value community a lot more. I don't know if that is the same in the US and maybe it takes a lot more to fix mistrust between your people, but I think you're missing out from that separation.
It wont change until we change the head of the senate. Long guns for hunting is ok, Paramilitary rifles are are not. I believe we can change that
When 20 men go out to take someones guns,and only 3 leave empty handed bleeding,it won't take long for folks paid to "enforce" the law will tell the chief to go fuck themselves.Besides the only bumpstocks and shit of that sort I ever saw,were owned by the folks that would be expected to go around and gather every one elses. That is because they know more about what is happening,could happen and probably will happen now that a dem is going back in the white house.
Getting rid the guns is a liberal wet dream that won't happen in this century.
Do something about the reason someone would want to kill you or someone else.That is much easier and doable.
The constitution is an idea. An idea to achieve ever upward using compassion and unity as a tool to perform the image of God thus walking with him,her side by side as ONE. This is the idea. In this physical world of pain, suffering and egoism this limit will never be achieve but as we strive ever upward in attempt to form a perfect sphere so does our evolution of wisdom. The constitution was derived from Plato's Republic in order to define "justice" to achieve liberty for all. Doing what is right!
When we experience anger and hatred it takes this perfect sphere and dismantles it. Trump is the first president since Lincoln in an attempt to achieve unity through our hearts and compassion thus striving ever upward to reform the sphere of morality.
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Maybe you are just trying to clickbait me with this one. It does seem Trump united 72 or so million voters.. not positive most recent count.. even if we say its higher.. it seems like people are arguing now more than ever.. that this country is very divided politically and to a level of greater aggression than before, so I definitely do not see evidence of that piece of the ending.
Shakespeare.
You are paranoid. First of all its closer to 80 million. That will be proven too since many votes were thrown in the garbage, shredded or burned..Luckily there is reserve databases.. I don't even know you... OR DO I?.. This raises my suspicions. as I said. You're critical thinking level is junior high proficiency. This is a debate stage here in forum. If you agree then great.. If not well that's fine too...
For your info,, the conservatives never argued about anything. Its the democrats that fund terror iincluding domestic terrorism which is a number of groups. It is the democrats using fake hoaxes, 25th amendment bullshit to say Trump is not fit to be president.. The people spoke.. as far whether they agree or not,, tell them I said "FUCK YOU"..Here in 2020 there is blatant fraud universally in the world. Here in the United States what is going on here is simple. Our country is being invaded by globalist's through economic channels. Traitors of the constitution are using voter fraud to form a coup... Nothing has been brought to court yet but it will...Since the left is trying hard to delay and postpone recounts and investigations it is not too hard to figure out they know what they did. We know what they did too.. Afterall,, if you are sure you won then why resist the recounts.. If they played straight up there is nothing to worry about... So why bitch????? Let the constitution and justice take its course..Why threaten to kill children if you don't get your way.. Sounds like terrorists to me. Again, tell the bastards I said "FUCK YOU"
You should have left it there.
First I am paranoid. Then you ask if you know me. Then talk about suspicions. Unless that was your little dramatic segway into landing your first punchy dis, about how my critical thinking doesn't qualify me for varsity Model UN. Is that the proficiency you're going for, or too high? The most disheartening continuing result of these debates I feel is that positions are seeming to harden. I attempt to concede a point or admit when I do not know something with certainty, in an attempt to.. (what was that word? I'll use the verb form) "unify" the two sides of our nation. Maybe you perceive that as weak debating, but call me Old School I just really respect the achievements of Lincoln and Trump bringing the people together. I try to remember to use compassion.
As far as the remaining content of this post, I don't recall taking a strong viewpoint about whether conservatives or democrats were the ones who had argued. I don't think I made strong comments on the election either unless I alluded to it some other time in another post.
If I believed all those things you are saying I would also be outraged. Actually I am chill. I'm not bitching about the recounts. If it helps people feel more confident in the results then we can let this play out a bit longer. The Trump legal team can do all investigations and present their findings to the various courts.
I hope, as part of us should all hope, despite which candidate we want in office, that we don't find our election had more holes than Swiss cheese, because if it was that easily done, I would have to question how long it has been that way, if the election has potentially always been rigged. If that emerges later as the consensus conclusion I fear our democracy and the foundations of our nation will come into question. Perhaps more so around the world where we have been trying to promote democracy for many years. The Constitution's strong reputation might get dragged down as collateral, the document you earlier spoke of as a triumphant capture of an ambitious idea that set us on the correct path toward continuing to achieve better.
If all legal and other measures result in a vote count with Biden holding significant electoral and popular vote leads I hope that you might consider re-evaluating some of your assertions.
Some of the things you mentioned like Fake Hoaxes from the Democrats (is this Climate Change or Covid, both of which are undeniable truths), funding domestic terror ( perhaps this stems from George Soros, a significant campaign donor yes, but still just one man, gave some money to some groups involved in demos/riots, I don't know what your definition of Globalist is exactly, because we live in a very global world. Politicians around the world love to push the nationalism button to get people riled up. We are still a sovereignty with perhaps more freedoms than any other nation, the economy and information sharing already went global decades ago, some of it natural, some of it driven by soulless corporations that only selfishly seek more profit for shareholders by design. While Corporations won that Citizens United case for free speech to donate to elections, and they also have the power to do many things, they lack final accountability. Corporations can't go to prison. Corporations have interests in many elections. So do foreign governments. There are likely domestic Americans who would like to cheat the election. The question now remains, is it really that easy? If it is that easy, how can we be so sure who is behind it all, after-all if it is so easy why didn't many other groups try to cheat the election.
I can only speak for myself but I did not threaten to kill children, didn't think we should not recount or listen to Trump's legal team, but under the premise that the world is a mess and fraud is easy, it makes it difficult to put fraud claims behind hundreds of whistleblowers who were first politically motivated possibly to say they saw shady things, then people began offering them money to come forward. And now it has gone next level to Dominion as well.
This nation is very tense right now. We need to somehow move forward, but hopefully not this disparagingly divided, so I won't end my post with an 'FSociety' homage to Mr. Robot. I'm not an anarchist. Just someone who cares, tries to stay informed, tries to listen, and has a little too much available time this Sunday evening he is now realizing.
Google globalistic regime.. then support your opinions.. Appears you don't know what these peope are trying to do
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Btw I tried looking more into your globalist theory. I didn't want to respond without learning more. However, because I don't know about your particular theory does not mean I don't know about global economics and politics. This is actually my educational background and correlates with much of my career learning. If you want to list our sources from now on we can. I have no ill intent here. I only believe I am correct and hope to influence people to believe me according to my perceived knowledge
Look,, I gave my analogy on democracy and morality. It wasn't directed at you, just my analysis.. You are paranoid because you accused me of saying it was to trigger you.. THAT'S PARANOID so shut up. Your writing is clearly the same with Huxley999, FatPig-BElla , hotpussy and so many others attacking me with my religion.. I assert you are not who you say you are.
Sorry I was busy a few days. The bet I intended to be something that would not affect anyone financially, but was gauging confidence. It was about who would end up in the white house late January. It is still trending my way but I don't back it up with nothing. In a court of law the burden of proof for this major claim of major election fraud is on the accusers. All around the country the court cases are being lost, even when Trump appointed judges are involved.
Btw I don't know who those other people are and I don't think I wrote anythig about your religion...
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And when you come down to it. ANY LIFE is worth more than some silly piece of music.
sorry you had that happen willy, to me from your pics, your dick when it is standing upright, seems very normal in size and nothing to be mournful about, being shy is awkward, I once was too - I guarantee if you "show hard for blow" standing at a urinal, nobody will embarrass you - heck they might grab it and jerk you off or haul you into a stall and suck you dry
Women in the military say the horrific killing of Army Specialist Vanessa Guillen has swept the nation, galvanizing even civilians to the cause.
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I wonder if kneeling for this soldier is allowed?
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I was right...But, hell they both are smart and intelligent...
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I'm trying to stop arguing politics on the web.. especially dick sites of all places.. lol.. this thread has been on a while.. will it live forever?
Maybe kink it up. Tom doesn't kneel cause everyone is sucking his cock.. eh. takers?
There's little more than that. If Trump hadn't gotten involved it would be a minor demonstration that just makes you think a little.
I stated the second part as if there could be a second explanation. It should not have been an "if". Trump got involved and made a reasonable protest a MAGA supporter issue. It reclassified the players as un-American instead of bona fide protesters. This is not second guessing. Do some research and you'll find it's the view of many prominent reporters.
Second guessing is valid only if your first guess is wrong. Guessing is a legitimate way to arrive at explanations. General Eisenhower did not say, "let's interview the German High Command to see if an Allied invasion of France is a good deal." in WWII. He GUESSED THE INVASION WAS A GOOD THING
Kaepernick said this. Well, I'm not going to stand for the flag of a country that oppresses black people and people of color. And then he talked about, you know, social injustices and police brutality and why he thought, you know, he shouldn't be standing for the anthem.
And guess who convinced him to take a knee.
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Direct from NPR,
Retired Army Green Beret Nate Boyer is the man who first convinced Colin Kaepernick to kneel during the national anthem
THAT'S RETIRED ARMY GREEN BERET
AS USUAL, IN YOUR HASTE TO PROVE YOUR POINT YOU DID A HALF ASSED RESEARCH.
BUT LET'S FOR A MOMENT FOLLOW YOUR THOUGHTS. YOU THINK THE PROBLEMS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE FADS? DID YOU KNOW MARTIN LUTHER KING JR TOOK A KNEE?
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE COUNTRY IS OLDER THAN SEVERAL CENTURIES?
Retired Army Green Beret Nate Boyer, SHOULDN'T HE BE UPSET THAT SO MANY IN THIS COUNTRY WORSHIP THE IDEA OF A DEFEATED CONFEDERACY AND WANT TO EULOGIZE MEN WHO WERE TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY? GO HOME. WATCH SEVERAL EPISODES OF ANDY GRIFFITH AND LUCY. CLEAR YOUR MIND. START THINKING AGAIN AND THIS TIME, DO IT RIGHT
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Can someone please tell me where kaepernick is now...Used to be a star quaterback in the NFL...༼☯﹏☯༽
If I wanted advice or ideas from someone who chases a ball,I would ask my dog!
And all because some right wingers don't know how freedom of speech works
Some companys prevent folks from wearing a hat with a logo on it such as the Pepsi man wearing a Coke Hat.
Or a Biden Campaign worker wearing a Trump hat.
When on the foot ball feild, making millions of dollars playing for suckers that work for peanuts and blow it all to watch you squabble over a ball,you are not free to "speak" you are doing a job.Your team owner may respect the flag,so your action could be construded as representing your team,not your own views.So it shouldn't have been tolerated from the git go.
Now folks miss interpret the freedom of speach.
I guess it is ok for Biden to wear a red Maga hat now?
All that effort could be doing something useful.
Well. At least your way of thinking is consistent.
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Trump knew this was going to happen and they took the bait. When the time is right operation "Release the Kraken" will be implemented where all of this will be exposed. The 80 million followers will be well educated and unite. Trump will overturn the phony election. If the certification board goes ahead and certifies the murderer lying diaper pooping Joe Biden Trumps lawyers will set them aside in the suit and press charges. You do not know what you are dealing with and neither does the deep state chronies.
Don't you get it, the majority of people is against Trump and has been from his inauguration. Trumps approval rating has never even reached 50% and was at 35% in 2017. His disapproval rating has been above 50% almost constantly and topped 60% several times.
Some swing voters voted for Trump, because he promised great healthcare, higher wages and not to cut social security. He didn't deliver and turned out to be a standard Republican on policy. A big majority of people actually prefer progressive policies. Then COVID-19 came and Trump fucked up. That's why the swing voters are not making the same mistake again.
It's not difficult to understand. More people really hate Trump than there are people who like him. That's why Trump lost. It was absolutely clear that he would loose months and months before the election. That's why Trump invented the whole fraud scheme, months and months before the election. Because he is a big baby and because he is afraid all his crimes will catch up with him.
By who's authority?
Cause YOURS damn sure don't mean shit!
Now, by who's authority? Show me the "official" proof...
As to the rest of that bullshit you typed out. You talk like a guy with a paper asshole.
Ok, I'll comment on one!
YOU SAID ➡️ "It was absolutely clear that he would loose months and months before the election."
"Clear" like they was going to sweep the House and Senate too? That clear?
Ok I lied, one more!
YOU SAID ➡️ "More people really hate Trump" Is that why his voter count increased exponentially from the first time?
No one's buying the crap YOU'RE selling, so I'm not sure why you insist on peddling it.
You think approval and disapproval ratings are bullshit or do you think the numbers were bullshit?
Biden under-performed a lot, but he still won by 5-6 million in the popular vote and he won the electoral college with 290 over 232. Hillary also had 323 electoral votes in 2016. That's how unpopular Trump is now; at the level of Hillary.
It's true that many people voted for Trump, but more voted for Biden. Turnout was massive, because it was the most polarized election ever.
It's not crap, it's data! Everyone outside of your stupid cult recognizes that.
Just saying my arguments are bullshit doesn't disclaim them, if you have no data or logic to give your points any substance.
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I SEE that you're NOT! My bad! 🙈 🙊 🙉
Show me in the United States CONSTITUTION where it gives any of them fucking people the AUTHORITY to call an election. I'll be waiting patiently...
In the mean time, let's just not believe our eyes like you and some other morons want.
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That was some HELLIFIED cheating!
I got hand it to them.
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You have no answer to the polls, except for some ignorant pictures.
You know big cities vote blue. Big cities have more people and therefore more electors. Land area can't vote. You are showing a picture of the outcome of the election with 290 for Biden over over 232 for Trump. That's how that works, so showing it doesn't say shit about the voters, just about your ignorance.
The elections are not a popularity contest. Trump is extremely popular with 30% of Americans. That's enough to fill a picture, congrats. Still, 50% to 60% dislike Trump and that's why they voted for Biden. I'm sure Trump would have won, if it wasn't for COVID-19 or if he had done a good job. The majority of people think he did a poor job, so they voted for the other guy. That's how democracy works.
What headlines could you have seen that say otherwise.
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Still 290 vs 232!
One last try to help keep you from being a complete sincere ignoramus.
If you don't understand it now, there's no help for you!
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Now! Stick it in your pie hole.
With all those contested states Biden won, Trump still has only 5 points lead. You think the judges will flip all those states Biden won with big leads, while he hasn't succeeded in showing any fraud at all yet? That's delusional.
Off course the media doesn't have an official ruling, that's up to the states electors, isn't it. If you think not, than explain it to me.
In any case, the Supreme Court cannot name the winner of an election. All legal challenges to the legitimacy of the mail-in ballots must first start at the state level. The Supreme Court is the final appeals court but it chooses which cases it will hear. If the court turns down a case or there is a tie on the decision the lower court's ruling stands.
If none of the candidates wins 270 electoral votes, the House of Representatives would decide who wins. It would be interesting to find out whether the House, with a Democratic majority, believes Trumps unsubstantiated claims of major election fraud and would decide he wins.
They didn't decide Bush won.
So, Trump can only win when the courts (supreme or lower) decide that Trumps claim of fraud are valid.
"Trump has shown nothing like systemic fraud in any of the lawsuits, 17 and counting, that his campaign and allies have filed since Election Day." "His campaign lost in courts in Michigan and Pennsylvania and dropped a challenge in Arizona. On Monday, four cases in those two states and also Georgia and Wisconsin, all brought by the conservative lawyer James Bopp on behalf of Trump voters, were also dropped."
You cannot take lawsuits to the supreme court, after you've dropped them. I hope you know that.
You've got sworn affidavits from 1000's of people under the penalty of perjury. How are you going to spin your lies with that???
Trump was in the homestretch of the election with a clear path to victory in WI, NC, MI, GA.. That's the reason they called time out. Who the fuck has the right to do that? They called "time out" so they can flood the booths with illegal votes.. This is the orange. Oh and by the way this time there is ample evidence which your fucking media said there was none. Who the fuck are they to say there is no evidence? Its like me telling the doctor there is no evidence and to get over the fact that my mother has no cancer.. Who is qualified. There is evidence and the country is coming down with the deep state.
Who appointed them detectives? They are just TV propagandists that have lied their entire career for the left. The election board chooses. I hope they do. Because if they do certify because of the abundance of evidence they have it would only mean jail for them.... Biden is a fugitive fighting restraining orders from Ukraine for multiple felony counts of money laundering and selling out secrets with evidence. This is the least of his problems..
Don't worry my dear. This will be all over soon
For 4 years they have slandered this president. When this is said and done every single person is going to be exposed including the Clintons and Biden who is guilty of drug money laundering and child sex trafficking's while selling classified documents to enemy countries. This is nothing. The grand knock out blow from trump is coming..
As for now, none of those claims have been shown to contain evidence of voter fraud. In one state there were 592 disputed ballots. They did not show there was any fraud involved and it's not enough to flip the vote.
It's just kabuki theater to make you distrust this election and elections in general. Or how do you explain that Trump knew months before that Democrats were planning fraud?
I agree the should get to the bottom of this, but all legal ballots should be counted. If the judges finally rule that there was no fraud or after any fraudulent ballots have been discarded Joe Biden is still the winner,
it is over with.
My suggestion to you is when you jerk off so much to use more lube.. That fucking thing is bound to fall off..