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 | First of all, I love guns. I own several and love to go shooting. For me, gun control is a nice tight pattern on the target. Or, my right index finger. I have always respected guns and never in a million years thought of turning one on an unarmed civilian population. I think that is the very definition of cowardice.
I am however interested in hearing everyone's opinion on the matter. Specifically, as it pertains to these mass shootings that keep happening. I don't see gun control or background checks stopping these from happening. It may help to some degree but that is not the end all solve. In my opinion, and this is not meant to make light of the situation at all, is we have a country full of pussies. To make that sound more professional, I think this country is full of entitled people who think they deserve everything and don't want to work for anything. It is full of politically correct bullshit and kids who don't get graded in school and everyone gets a trophy. Well, that is not how the real world works. We all know this to be true, good bad or indifferent. It just isn't real. These kids attend college etc and live in this bubble. When they enter the real world the smallest of offenses or setbacks sends them off on a rampage. We have failed to set boundaries and realistic expectations. Again, just my opinion. You can post anything you want here. |
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And it DOES matter for the military. Always has...
An 'Assault Rifle' is a select-fire weapon, capable of fully automatic fire!! THESE HAVE BEEN ****, for Civilian ownership, since 1934, with VERY few exceptions!! Don't believe the 'hype' and perpetuate the 'myth' that the weapons are the problem!! It is the CRAZY FCKS, that use these, to kill, that is the problem!!
Here in the real world we say assault weapon. This refers to a firearm that is either semi-automatic or fully-automatic. And means absolutely nothing else. And you'd have to be awfully confused to use any other terms.
And I agree, guns aren't the problem the people your country creates are the problem. And that's why the United States needs heavy gun restrictions to keep those problematic people from acquiring firearms, and so l-a-w e-n-f-o-r-c-e-m-e-n-t can halt the trafficking of i-l-l-e-g-a-l firearms.
You are incorrect, grouping the full-auto, MILITARY WEAPONS, with the semi-auto, CIVILIAN versions!!
"Assault Weapons" are MILITARY, and **** for civilians in the US, except under special licenses!! DO NOT PERPETUATE THE HYPE that 'Semi-automatics' are the same in ANY WAY, to 'ASSAULT WEAPONS!!'
Just because the weapon is Black, or has a magazine, does not make it an 'ASSAULT WEAPON!!'
Restricting law-abiding citizens from LEGALLY owning weapons, to defend themselves does nothing to stop crime!! I almost ALL of the jurisdictions that allow concealed weapon carry, buy licensed, trained citizens, violent crime has dropped!! It is only in the most RESTRICTIVE places, that violent crime escalates, because the law-abiding citizen has no means to defend or deter the criminals, that DON'T OBEY THE LAWS, and get guns, illegally, and commit crimes!!
Heavy gun restrictions, like in Germany, when the Nazis took the guns from the Jews? Or In Poland, in Cambodia, in China?
It is CRAZY FCKS and Criminals that make crime, murder, etc!! It is armed citizens, defending themselves, and keeping the Crazies and Criminals from having them, that is the answer!
And BTW--- those same people and countries that don't respect America you say... Those would be the same ones with their hands out begging for $$ and going at great lengths to live here....
And your last statement is contrary to the facts. When I say "developed nation" I mean those nations that have a living standard equal to or better then that of the United States. I mean: Canada, The United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Argentina, Scandinavian countries, Baltic countries, France, Spain, Japan, etc. None of these developed nations turn to the United States for monetary aide, their economies are sustainable as is. In fact when you correct for magnitude there are a handful of these economies that preform far more effectively then the US. I mean really you guys haven't run a budget surplus since Bill Clinton was in office, and Barrack Obama has had to use both his terms correcting the shit storm Bush produced. I said it before, Reaching, you aren't equipped to discuss economics.
And to say something like these people wish to live in your country, is nothing less then to spit in their faces. No established person in any of the worlds developed nations would even bother to entertain the idea of moving their life to the United States. You're just baring that classic American trait of unfounded pride again. Baring it for all the world to scoff at.
It seems you've confused those countries that have less then you with those countries that have more then you. This failed bolstering doesn't speak well of your understanding of the realities of the world.
Now here it comes Reaching, the real insult... You don't know what the fuck your talking about. And it shows. It reflects poorly on you.
The First Amendment gives you the right to say what you think, but then there is slander, and liable, and going too far, which I think you did.
I can agree, to disagree with you, honorably, as gentlemen in a civilized way, but most of what you replied is unfounded and your perception, reading TOO MUCH into what I posted.
But you can imagine my frustration when I have to sit around and watch the bass ackwards approach to firearms that your country's partisan system takes. I live in a country where more people per capita use guns as tools and for recreation then our southern counterparts. But we recognize that something that shoots projectiles isnt useful for defence. We don't try to carry them with our selves everywhere we go because we understand the dangers of firearms. We don't walk down the street just to incite fear in the public, because we now that places an unnecessary burden on the local police department. Instead gun clubs here do public outreach to make the public more educated and less afraid. And they understand that telling someone they need a gun to protect themselves is just a way to incite fear.
My anger may have unrightfully been directed at you. But I am only privy to what you have said to me. And what you've disclosed so far drops you into the camp I described. But in consideration for you, imagine I directed my argument at the abhorrent people that steep themselves in the culture surrounding guns in your country. And formulate a counter argument from that since you have yet to do so.
Can we 'Meet in Geneva' and discuss, rationally, without bias, and stereotypes, judgments, but talk, as Honorable men, that disagree?
I don't need to change you, and you have every right to your belief, but I can't know what you know, and think, and feel, unless we talk, rationally, without judging, just open-minded.
I don't think either of us is 'Right' or 'Wrong' and there are Cultural issues, Historical issues, and so on.
I think that you are probably from another country, than the US, based on some things you said.
I like meeting, and 'talking' to others, from other nations, so I can better understand how they see the US, and our leaders, whether all of us support their ideals, or not!!
I would be willing to continue this, openly, here, but if you prefer, you can message me, privately.
A table, in Geneva, Switzerland, calling a 'Truce'? I hear they have great Chocolates!!
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You believe what you do, and I choose a contrary opinion.
I don't need to debate, or try to 'change' your perspective! You have every right to what you believe, and in America, every right to say it!! I like that!
I don't agree, but we are not going to change each other's position, and I don't expect you to change, so what is left to discuss?
I think that it is important, with the example of our interchange, that people understand that it is OK to think differently, but be respectful of other's beliefs, accepting their right to believe what they do, even though we don't agree.
Nobody should be afraid to say what they think, out of fear of being opposed!
The Great Founders of the United States argued, and debated, and had opposing ideals, but somehow, they made our Great Nation, where all have the RIGHT to be heard, and say what they believe!
I think that is a good thing. . .
I would interject that the those ideas were more Voltaire's nom de guerre then they were the slogan of your countries founders. I'm not attempting to criticize your countries founding fathers, after all they did lay the ground work for one of the most powerful countries in the world. I'm simply trying to impart that they stood atop the shoulders of giants.
As for our exchange. In my experience it is necessary to respect the person that sits across from me. Because empathy demands it of me, I recognize that no matter how our ideals clash, we each know what it is to be human, we share that. But a persons opinions and ideas are something I will not respect, those things in their nature do not garner respect. Ideas stand and fall by there own merits. I will always respect peoples rights to have beliefs and act upon ideals. But if I don't see those ideals as something that does good, or if I see those beliefs as the reason people do bad. And if those ideas can't be presented in a way that will persuade my mind. I will take every opportunity to tear those ideals down and watch them be trampled under the foot of progress. That being said I don't pretend to know right from wrong all the time.
As you said nobody should be afraid to speak their mind, however if somebody is prepared to make claims, if they want to spew mindless rhetoric, shouldn't they be expected to back up their shit?
Should someone shoot up another school, in the US, it will be because it is a GUN FREE ZONE, and they have no expectation of opposition, pressing their BAT-SHT CRAZY AGENDA!!
You cannot stop 'CRAZY', and there are plenty, around!!
The VAST MAJOPRITY, of major shootings in the US were by people that were deranged, mentally ill, or just psychopathic! The majority stole the weapons they used, or acquired them illegally!
There are an estimated 320 million weapons in the US, and the VAST MAJORITY, NEVER, EVER harm people!!!
Crazy people are the problem, and them getting guns, illegally is the problem!
FOR FCK'S SAKE, why are we debating this on a site dedicated to dicks and sex???
Maybe both of us are part of he problem, here!!
I concede, and you 'win'. I don't need to explain, or defend anything. You believe what you do, and I DON'T NEED TO, OR WANT TO CHANGE YOU!!
Go in peace. . .
It seems you've given up on that no caps lock rule. But um... There's no such thing as "biased facts." It's a complete lack of bias that makes facts, just that facts. So I suppose you meant that I carry biases like anybody else. And I'd agree, but most of my opinions are informed by evidence.
Gun-free zones, I'll be honest. It's just the newest mythic buzz word the pro-gun lobby has decided to rally behind. I believe this one started after Aurora. Ironically enough the FBI claimed the Aurora shooters planning had a lot to do with where he should park and absolutely nothing to do with the idea of meeting resistance. The evidence that more firearms means less crime just doesn't exist. And the fake evidence that that's the case has come nearly entirely from one man, John Lott. Take John Lott's book for example, nearly nothing in "More Guns, Less Crime" is correct. He purposely misinterpreted all the data he had in order to make the study look like it favored the position of his funders. The NRA. Lott was then disgraced by many, many statisticians and mathematicians that were far more qualified then him. They then exposed how he purposely misinterpreted the data.
To go even further, in Oregon, there were three men in the same complex as the killer. All three choose not to intervene. They decided that the minute the swat team stormed in anybody they saw holding a firearm was a goner.
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I don't know the statistics for mental illness and mass shootings in your country, it would be great if you could provide articles or studies regarding that. But I do know that your country has been constantly lacking in funding for mental health programs. Even though every time a shooting happens, your republicans roll out the, "guns aren't the problem, mentally ill people are the problem," shtick. They then turn their backs and do exactly fucking nothing. They control congress but can't be bothered to bolster the meager mental healthcare system in your country.
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No, these people do not acquire most of their guns illegally or by stealing. It's incredibly easy to buy firearms in the United States. Even if you have a criminal record. Because the background checks that are in place are often just pushed through without proper information because the FBI has trouble getting their hands on police reports, given the current channels available to them.
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I cannot respect what you believe, and it's not just because you're wrong. It's because what you've told me you believe, is damaging to your country. What you believe allows these horrible mass shootings to happen again and again, without anybody doing a thing to stop it. I don't really give a damn where we talk about it. Because I'll take what I can get. If I can change one mind by being a Keyboard Hero, fine. I'll make an ass of myself if that's what it takes.
Really dude? Really? “Law enforcement can halt the trafficking of illegal firearms.” Please tell me that you’re being sarcastic. If so then my bad for not finding and reading your earlier post where you made it clear that government intervention is NEVER the solution to ANY problem… EVER! I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Even if we did change the 2nd, it opens up a slippery slope for everything.
Also this as an honest question, being that I have no formal education on the history of the United States, other then on your civil war and the war of 1812. Doesn't your 2nd Amendment imply that you shouldn't have a military or instead should have a skeleton military that should be supplemented by the public only when your nation is under attack?
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Here's the thing. The boy didn't have a gun. If he had one, he would have used it and probably kill the cop. The boy's parents are irresponsible for not having taught their son to carry a gun at all times. A gun could have saved his life. Pity.
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Why don't people read it?
It's plain English.
A Taurus 9 mm pistol was recovered about 40 feet from Siderio's body, Krasner said.
So he had threatened the cops prior to the chase.
BUT the direction of the boys body,would indicate he was not a threat to the officer at the moment of the 3rd shot,so yea, this cop shit his bed.
BUT on the other hand,had the teen could have waited until the cop came close and turned around with yet another gun,you know they make some that are small and can be carried in a pocket.
Still this is a bad case here of a cop going to far.
Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law.
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That's great. The first totally free place in the US.
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about his masculinity while, in the evening, he secretly
sucks dick and gets fucked in the ass.
The gun serves as evidence of how manly he is.
It helps him postpone revealing his gay nature because,
in his and his buddies' mind this is a sin that goes
against the bible that he carries in his pocket.
or, "I love both pussy and dick", and forget about
the gun. He'd even save money this way.
Or they scream "help". That fellow ,whatever his bedroom activity's entail, is prepared to draw and fire if threatened or sees another person being threatened. You just have never been in a situation where it was necessary to be armed or have someone around that was.
More than likely Leo,I hate to say it but you are more apt to be the victim in a situation more so than the survivor based on the ideas you have in regards to protecting yourself..
And if he does suck cock, what's wrong with that?
I was only replying to Twowarmtts3!'s comment that he's a "real man", imterpreting it in the traditional sense.
By the way, I KNOW it's a real jungle there, I've been taking about it. I have friends all over the US. Many of them wouldn't even dream of having a gun 10 years ago. But they've convinced me how unsafe the feel now. My Arizona friend are really scared actually. That's why I keep saying that if I lived threre I'd probably be forced to have a gun. I have a journalist friend who went to Afghanistan and Iraq for a newspaper. He did have a gun. Likewise, I wouldn't even dream of living i a "jungle" without a gun. I just still can't believe that someone would have to carry his/her gun in the Capitol. But I'm still trying to comprehend how unsafe and violent some areas in the US can be these days. This is SAD. The leader of the free world is being destroyed from inside and it seems that a peaceful society isn't possible any longer. It's sad because it affects the whole world too.
I personally am glad I don't live in such a jungle. However, I do understand your concerns Sherryann and wish you could escape and live here,or somewhere equivalent too. Therr are still safe places in the world.
No one in the Capitol used their gun except for a black Capitol police officer who killed a white unarmed woman. I am still trying to comprehend why that is memory holed.
Joe Biden’s America.
The price of gas is expensive and a whole bunch of people invaded the US Capitol building on January 6, 2020. It wasn’t even Joe Biden’s America.
Explain why Antifa would try to stop the election process for their preferred President and risk getting a fascist like Trump again?
Trump supporters went to the Capitol to force Mike Pence to overturn the election.
Those 2 groups are not trying to do anything. Like stop a president from being elected or stop violence. They want to create mayhem and disruption. .Nothing else. They want chaos.
However, the claim was that the violence was committed by Antifa or BLM members and the Trump supporters were peaceful. That we can check, because many violent protesters were arrested. They have checked the social media activity of those suspects and it shows them as active Trump supporters and radicalizing over time.
If they were Antifa or BLM members their social media would show completely different ideologies. They could still radicalize, off course, but about completely different subjects.
Why do you always paint your opposition as having the only goal of creating mayhem and disruption? Even if they are disruptive, at least understand it is the method not the goal. Do I claim that Trump supporters only went to the Capital to destroy, fight and kill? I understand they were angry about a fraudulent election. If I believed that happened and the opposition got away with it, I would also be very angry and probably did the same. It would have been the biggest crime in your Democracy.
That doesn't mean it's true or people who believe it are right to believe it.
There we 80 lawsuits about the claims of fraud and all (but one irrelevant one)
had lost or not even deemed worthy of the court's time (moot). The 'evidence' that was presented was ridiculous (my opinion) and the 'real proof' was never presented. Claiming you have 'real proof' is not really proving anything. If there was 'real proof', the whole world would have known about it.
SrCums says there is proof without showing any or he says he doesn't need proof and others are idiots to believe there was no fraud. That's an opinion, but I don't think it's a good one. I think opinions should be based in facts and logic.
You could change my mind with actual proof, immediately. But do understand what 'proof' means. That 'evidence' obviously did not convince the (Trump appointed) judges, so it wouldn't convince me.
MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell claims Trump will be reinstated on August 13th. That's not enough time to present your perfect proof, win the court cases, hold a new election and get Trump back into office. That is only possible with a coup d'йtat.
Remember that it is the responsibility of the military to fight-off coups.
HAHAHA. OK. If that’s what you want us to believe, so be it. Don’t forget to testify in front of Congress. I’m sure they would like to know that.
You think I really care what you do to my Twowarmtts3! page? That is my fighting page. The other page Twowarmtts3 stays clean. It’s the one I chat with the good people and you can’t get in. It belongs to Charlie and he lets me use it. So, knock yourself out. Waste your points on my gift banner. Sooner or later they disappear.
2nd question, what makes you think I’m wasting my time? You assume too much
You will never eventually clean up all the shit on your page because the entire site is chipping in. Soon or later like quicksand you will be over your head in shit.. Fucking unbelievable..
BTW, you just called yourself stupid.
Who gives a flying fuck if you decide to ban me? First I can read all your posts. Second, no loss
There’s only 7 spaces to put a shit pile on my page and like I’ve said, who cares.
You can't win with lies and spin. You will never ever show any sound statement as long as you stick with plan A
You believe what you just posted about Trump. What if I don’t agree? If you were me, would you just accept it quietly?
Out of all your spits of bullshit the only thing I have seen so far is Political Correctness and hate.. You do have a heart and its here but being your own worst enemy has given you an eternity of isolation from your own stupidity..
Like I said,, stop playing the circle game with me.. Be humble and what is true. All comes down to that.. You want to hate Trump and democracy, then just say it but don't play the circle game... It wastes time and development.. Namely your development.
I will never give you credit because you have no clue on ethics, morals, doing what's right, Justice,,,, nothing.
Out of all your spits of bullshit the only thing I have seen so far is Political Correctness and hate.. You do have a heart and its here but being your own worst enemy has given you an eternity of isolation from your own stupidity..
This is all bs. Sop playing the circle game with you? Be humble and what is true?
Did you also want me to stay on my pijamas and cook dinner? Yeah, right.
Twowarmtts3! crapped out on me. I scared her off. She blacklisted me. Old Fart, I need a break from you I hope your “I don’t need you to agree with me, but, I will hate you for ever and accuse you of petty crap” attitude continues. Good life if I don’t reappear.
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“Something’s SERIOUSLY wrong with Biden,” Jackson wrote on social media. “And it’s only going to get WORSE! It’s past the point of embarrassment.”
Until April, when a new record was set.
Until May, when another new record was set.
Until June, when another was set.
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What is the point;
Stupid Democrats getting themselves infected with Covid?
They are fully vaccinated and still got Covid?
The last I can explain. It is still possible to be infected and infect others, after you're vaccinated. The vaccines are only between 60% and 90% effective in preventing disease. They are however at least 90% effective in preventing against hospitalization or death, even for the Delta variant. That's pretty good for vaccines, the flew vaccines are much less effective.
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Then when Kamalla is impeached and removed from office because even the democrats don't like her, then assuming the Nancy Pelosi get's stripped of her powers because of flagrant corruption who would ne next in line? I think since The election is being in process now of overturn by the time they get up to the speaker of the house Trump would be sworn in..
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It was mean of you to take away the Diamond and Silk link
The little problem is that most mass shootings are done by
people who were good, god fearing, up until the massacre,
who immediately change to bad, godless, people after the massacre.
But this is just a little detail that the NRA is working on,
with quite a big success so far: if you ignore this detail
then my statement in the first paragraph remains correct.
of violence around him. That's why he's afraid.
Otherwise, he wouldn't feel the need to have
a whole artillery. I'm really sorry for people
who live in fear, day after day, hour after hour.
It must be debilitating to their mental health.
Fear creates paranoia, mental imbalance and even
schizophrenia.
I have friends who are armed to teeth.
They're scared.
The florida school shooting,that teen ager had been reported to the fbi a long time before the shooting.Nothing was done by those slackers about it.
The sandy hook thing,that fellow was on medicine for being crazy and killed his mother and took her gun,hardly a good God fearing man.more like a nut case.
Most of the mass shooters are nut cases that should have been in the asylums had johnson not closed them
that's why people are scared and, like my friends in Arizona,
have to maintain an artillery in their houses.
I get that. It's a real concern.
It's a real pity and a shame the way that the US has become.
Signs of collapse, really.
And in the Sandy Hook massacre the guy killed his mother on the same morning he did the shooting. I guess your cristal ball was off and couldn’t contact the “slackers”
So now we go all the way back to president Johnson. Are you sure you don’t want to go back to when electric shock was abolished for mental health?
You get worse by the day.
Electric shock? HUM? Did it do any good? Do we have any volunteers in florida that would step up and let us test it?
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You can see how people love this new invention:
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who is playing with a toy gun.
They cost local businesses millions of dollars.
And now they’re lying about what’s happening in Texas.
It’s disgusting.
Well then,if they are not mature enough to own a gun at that age,then why are they mature enough to serve in our military and DIE before the age of 19 for their country?
Another case of hypocrisy.
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They said you weren’t smart enough to make copies of your ID.
They laughed at you for “clinging” to your Bible and your guns.
The Left thinks they’re better than you.
But they aren’t.
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Protestors in Cuba and Hong Kong seem to love the American flag more than some of our Olympic athletes.
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1 shot to the noggin is all it woulda took.
I like Florida's Stand your Ground rule.It allows people to protect themselves from threats.
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They are defending themselves, and learning, and not going to put up with shit, anymore!
Women have always had the idea that a simple scream for help would bring out help.it doesn't anymore.
YOu can die unarmed,or you can live armed and protected,your choice.
No gun needed,just beat them to death.
I wish a gun was used on this bitch.perhaps a couple tommy guns. She deserves to suffer as that poor boy had to have.
Are you just pissing on the 8th Amendment (Prohibits excessive fines and excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment)?
Or are you also pissing on the 6th? (Protects the right to a speedy public trial by jury,
to notification of criminal accusations, to confront the accuser, to obtain witnesses and to retain counsel)
Or do you only care about the 2nd Amendment and the rest is garbage?
Principles are so easily discarded.
Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, but, if the crime is known and verification is certain, then, wanting to met out punishment is not a repudiation of the 6th amendment. The punishment of boiling her in oil over a slow fire is wishful thinking and it would never happen in the USA. But, I don't think I'm advocating for cruel and unusual punishment if I want her, after conviction, to be sentence to life in prison or even lethal injection. Do you agree on that?
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BTW, I don't care about the second amendment. This Is an antiquated law that has no purpose these days other than to cause trouble for those that don't believe in ownership of firearms.
Never say 'this would never happen in the USA', because your democracy is still walking a tight rope. With the right wing becoming increasingly deranged, anything is possible. They are already chanting lock him/her up for anyone saying anything the don't like and Trump praised the police for executing the murderer of a Trump supporter at first sight. Neither the 6th or 8th amendment for him.
I would much rather talk about those things, and this other BUllSHIT that doesn't belong here!
over just showing cocks and talking about cocks. Life is more than cocks.
But as for this trial thing,I am looking at it realistically, if the 2 amend is a antiquated law to some then it is logical for the 6th or 8th could be considered antiquated laws by others with just cause.
And as far as her mental state,what fucking difference does that make? SHE killed a kid in a very violent manner.You would have to be sick to do that,of course,so boil in oil or just feed to a batch of Piranha after duct taping her eyes open and her mouth shut.
The second is not antiquated, it's being used incorrectly. It says "A well regulated Militia", not arming every idiot with assault rifles. It says "the right of THE people..." as working-class people regarded collectively, having the right to have their own army to protect themselves against a dictatorship.
According to your law, I need to agree with militias like The Proud Boys and
The Boogaloo Movement (if they are indeed well regulated), even though I hate their views. For equal representation in the Militia, you should also arm BLM and socialist groups. It's not fair that only racist right wingers have people's armies.
The 6th and 8th are principles for equal, fair justice and against being tortured
for a confession. Do you think that's antiquated?
I was just saying different people could rationalize them being antiqued.
Did someone tell you that you can’t look at the pics on SYD or SYC? Try these two, Angel1227! and Twowarmtts3. As a “straight” guy I believe you’ll like them.
So, about some of the threads on site, you believe “Is my dick big?” Or maybe, “ I want to be fucked by several men at the same time “ or maybe, “check out my wife. She fucks other men. Is better?
The BULLSHIT is in your head. Everyone of us is here because we like to show ourselves off and like this semi-amateur site. You know that place where you choose to come to the site? Skip it next time.
Not to say all people south of Jupiter are leaches,, just the number of people that keep democrats in power
North Florida is full of Repukers that still think Trump won the election. And, by the way MIAMI – Data shows the majority of voters who supported President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence live in western Miami-Dade County. The supporters of projected President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris were in eastern Miami-Dade.
There were exceptions to the geographic divide. Some of the wealthiest areas in eastern Miami-Dade sided with Trump and agricultural areas in western Miami-Dade sided with Biden. Cuban-American and Colombian-American neighborhoods sided with Trump and African-American, Haitian-American, and Mexican-American neighborhoods sided with Biden.
The voter turnout in Miami-Dade County was a high 74.57%. The official summary data report from the supervisor of elections shows there were 1,563,572 voters registered and 1,165,883 voted at 866 precincts. The data shows 617,647, or 53.31%, voted for Biden, and 532,734 voters, or 45.98%, sided with Trump.
So let’s hear your theories.
Since you are so smart any genious can put up fake numbers on phony websites..Go see for yourself,, its right in front of your face.
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Waste of time. It’s not worth arguing about. If that’s your view, go for it, but, you never provide any proof.
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Popular vote 5,668,731 for Trump 5,297,045 Biden
Percentage 51.22% 47.86%
My wanting (and it’s been proposed by local governments) to split the state is purely a tax or monetary one. If it’s our taxes collected then it should be spent in South Florida.
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Jokes aside, Polk County’s 2020 crime and traffic statistics have a lot to say. Here are 5 statistics that may help us better understand what we’re up against this year:
Violent Crime: Lakeland’s average is lower than the national average. For every 367 violent crimes per capita nationally, there are only 312 in Lakeland. However, Winter Haven has an average of 423—higher than the state and national averages
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Aggravated Assault: The rate in Lakeland is lower than the national average (163 per capita versus 250 nationwide). In Lake Wales, the average is higher at 272.
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Property Crime: Averages in Polk County are notably higher than the national average. The national average is 2,110 total property crimes per capita. The average in Auburndale is a staggering 4,287, compared to 2,547 in Winter Haven.
Burglary: The national average is 340 burglaries per capita. Averages in Lakeland, Winter Haven, and Auburndale are higher at 390, 409, and 606, respectively.
Motor Vehicle Accidents: Polk residents are more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident than the average Floridian or American. This has been the case for at least 20 years.
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The children didn't own or have training with assault weapons. This is irresponsibility from family, the state, etc. They all failed because they should have taught the children, from early age on, how to shoot guns, assault weapons, bazookas, etc. And also provide them with state-sponsored guns so that they have with them at all times. Familiarising and equipping them with guns would have prevented their anger. The children were clearly angry with society because everyone has guns except them. I think that the authorities there should act more responsibly and teach children, as soon as possible after birth, how to deal with essentials like guns.
That's what I would try to
convince politicians to do
if I lived in any dangerous
country like US or Azerbaijan.
I know someone whose friend's son
(17 years old) shot him in Baku.
He was lucky. He survived.
It's not nice to shoot your friends, with your AR-15, when they tease you.
You are only allowed to shoot people, when they try to steal your stuff.
Oh, and when we say we value human life, we are only talking about Americans.
We don't care about the poor kids mining our cobalt.
And actually, we don't really care about shooting black Americans, but be sure no one
is recording it, or some people will not believe it was a criminal.
That concludes our lesson for today.
Don't forget your guns."
Today Ananas will teach you the value of human life. It is not nice to shoot your friends with your weapon of choice when they tease you.You should go to your doctor and ask for antidepressants that will alter your state of mind to a point their teasing will not bother you.DO NOT expect principle's or parents to do anything to stop the teasing. you are supposed to cope or medicate. Shooting the teaser is against the law of the land and is forbidden in the 10 commandments.So this is not to be done. BUT Doing anything to actually stop the teasing is against liberal logic.IF you solve problems,there is nothing to complain about.
You don't own anything, so if someone else wants something you have, you should hold the door for them to be able to carry it out easier and remind them of the rug at the bottom of the steps.
You see how silly that sounds as well?
Please use some common sense.
And to go on to explain 1 point.
When we say we value human life we are talking about everyone on earth. Rather they are mining cobalt to help reduce emissions at a young age or if they are murdering babies in a medical office.
Now to explain the point as you might,
A life is not legit until it leave the mother ,until then it is just a leach and a choice. Remember your mother chose to allow the leach to live.
Black people feel their lives are important, only if a person of another race is trying to take it. Murder and mayhem are a normal part of their daily routine. That routine includes burning the business you built using your hard earned education and every last dollar to the ground
Are you actually implying that it's impossible to have possession, unless you are protecting it with deadly force?
You're using a strawman. I would never allow abortion after the fetus is viable or even after it has developed a nervous system. For black people "Murder and mayhem are a normal part of their daily routine"? Really? And you think they shouldn't complain? Oh, off course, it's all their fault.
As for the black folk ,lifestyle choices dictate their lives as they do for everyone but they don't make good 1's.
The numbers don't lie,do some reading.
No,I am not implying kids should use deadly force. BUT have you noticed any adults offering alternatives? Have you noticed the video game industry the past 20 years?,
I was that kid in school that got bullied.Had to sit in class all day with dried raw egg all over my shirt more than once for example.
Talk to the princeable, "fight back was the response, I was a 50 pound 8th grader the seniors on the bus were wrestlers and used me for a punching bag.
Had I had access to a gun,I doubt I would be typeing this. not because I want to hurt others,but I was hurting then,BAD,I wanted it to stop, the way I was treated has had a effect on how I interact with people to this day. But yet,no alternatives were offered,still aren't today.But given credit where it is due,even a celeb "lady googa" or something to that effect,has made mention of bullying in schools being a problem.
As for possessions, No it is not impossible to have possessions without guns, IF people respected others property and left it the hell alone.And Or people were held accountable for stealing.
Remember the discussion me and 2warm had about looters in new york being turned loose and not held accountable? It ssems to be acceptable now to just let people steal.It should not be.
I've never been burgled, but I can imagine it would suck and I would wish death upon the burglar. However, my opinion is that the government is responsible for judgement and punishment, not the citizens. I'm not that positive about our system of law, because change of getting caught is way to low. Still, I do respect our police. Not because I was taught to, but simply from observing their work in person. I saw them doing their best under tough circumstances. Our cops put themselves in danger to de-escalate and apprehend a violent criminal unharmed. They treat everyone like a human being. They are able to do that, because, it's a lot safer being a cop in a country without guns. That also make it safer to be a citizen.
So not having guns here might make me unable to defend myself at some point. However, the chance I ever need to do that is far less likely, than if we all did have guns. My risk of getting killed by a neighbor with a nervous breakdown is far lower. My risk of accidentally shooting myself or being shot by playing kids is non-existent. Also, my chance for ruining my life, by killing someone on a whim, is far lower. On top of that, my risk of getting killed by the police is negligibly small.
I'm just safer than you are.
The NL is 100% civilised. It doesn't have a third world part.
But he lives in the US. No comparison.
The US is a dangerous country. The police are trained to kill. One third of the US is really third world.
There's no social care, unlike the NL.
35% of Americans are backwards. They believe that the world is 5000 years old and take part in strange religions like evangelicanism and baptismivalism and mormonicism. All pretty arcane and scary. They go to churches with guns because they have too. People get in those strange churches and shoot from time to time. There's no difference between churches and shitty food places like Kentucky fried chicken, they both lure customers with big flashy neon light boards.
So, you're lucky you live in a safe and civilised country.
But be a little bit compassionate of those who live in the US and have to struggle to make ends meet and are afraid of their lives day and night. I feel sorry for them. But it's not their choice. They were born there, they were indoctrinated there, they've nowhere else to go.
It probably takes convincing 95% of Americans that they would be better off without guns, before their government chooses for democracy and the safety
of the citizens over the NRA money, but we can at least try.
They live in a dangerous society. They need guns.
Also, they're scared of their neighbours, rightly so,
because they have guns too.
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And the police must have lots of guns too and they do the
right thing: they're trained to kill.
They have to, because every time they stop a car, say,
they're afraid that there driver might shoot them.
In a culture of fear and violence, guns are needed.
The only time that the gun culture will change in the US
is when it loses its world hegemony to China.
This will happen rather soon. Maybe in 50 years.
At that point, all the guns will be collected by the state,
and it'll be only the state that'll have guns.
The citizens will have none, and, if they violate the
Chinese restriction they'll be executed on the spot.
In fact, since there are millions and millions of guns
in private hands in the US, the Chinese state will build
a new army from those guns. It'll be called
The American People Army.
But before China trakes over there's not a chance in
a billion that American people will get rid of their
guns. And they're right.
I don't imagine China will be a democracy in 50 years, but they might show there is some truth to their claims that their system is superior, because a democracy is dependent on well informed, rational and compassionate citizens.
However, according to your last sentence,
the US doesn't fit your definition
because well-informed, rational and compassionate citizens
(all characteristics combined)
constitutes a very small fraction of the population.
There are, therefore, 2 possibilities, mutually exclusive I think:
Either your definition is wrong
Or the US isn't a democracy.
Apart from that, with just two parties, both serving their donors and 80 million people who just gave up on voting, the US can hardly be called a democracy.
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54,000 incidents per year is 150 per day
Of those 150, we get 40 deaths. Per day.
The solution clearly is: get more guns.
If the bad guys sense these you have guns,
they'll remain good for longer.
Guns save lives by causing bad guys behave
like good guys out of fear.
Fear makes a bad person good.
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The real war is much less dangerous than the daily internal war. Now I understand why so many k1ds want to become soldiers. Because they're less likely to die from shooting in the war than if they stay home.
The soliton? Get more guns at home.
The army has lots of guns. They clearly don't need them that much. They should give them to citizens in the US, in Detroit, in Florida, in Colorado, in Las Vegas, etc. Guns should be given where they're needed. Not carried abroad.
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40 to 50 people per day killed in the US by guns, not including wars. That's 50 times more than, say, Germany, where people don'y shoot much.
The only solution for the US is for people go get more guns. In fact, the state should have a Gun Social Programme whereby each US citizen should be given a free gun upon birth. This will reduce the killings.
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They threaten a neighbor, bad guy, to go away or else they'll shoot him. They warn him again and again. The bad guy neighbor doesn't listen. They point their guns and do the right thing: they kill the bad neighbor. Only after he's dead his wife starts crying. Yeah, cry baby, where's your gun? Neither the dead husband nor the cry baby wife had a gun. If they did, they could have shot first and the matter would have been solved.
My American friends tell me that when your neighbors have guns they must have guns too. Their neighbors do have guns. So they bought many guns too. But they also tell me that it's not enough to own the guns. You must be carrying them with you. You must be ready all the time. One of my friends was a soldier in a bad country so he knows how to kill bad guys and has killed a few. He's now running a mini school for his family and very close friends and teaches them how to properly use guns to shoot. He says that the most important thing is to identify whether your enemy is a bad guy or a good guy. Turn things are simple. If he's bad you shoot him, if he's good you don't.
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Someone else, a good guy, pulled his gun and killed the bad guy.
A policeman arrived, shot the good guy and killed him.
Unfortunately, nobody else seemed to have a gun on him and so they didn't kill the bad policeman who killed the good guy who killed the bad guy.
My American friends are telling me, and they're right, that they need to have more guns, not only to protect themselves, but also to deliver justice on the spot and kill a bad guy who kills a good guy who kills a bad guy who kills a good guy who kills a bad guy. When people live in dangerous countries they must be carrying weapons to ensure justice and democracy.
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More people are killed by killers on the streets than soldiers in battles. The prime must have guns. Maybe the president can take some arms from the soldiers, who don't need them too much, and give them to citizens in urban areas where the real killings happen. It's a difficult problem that, without guns, cannot be solved.
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I'm sorry, it wasn't a single person in Florida, it was three:
Three people climbed out of a white car with assault rifles and handguns and started firing indiscriminately into the crowd.
Well, then people should have guns and always be ready to form mini armies so that, as soon as a mini army of three or more killers shows, people should organise themselves on groups and fire back immediately. It's a war, but the war cannot be won without further guns for law-abiding, god-fearing, hard-working people.
Had you been in the crowd in florida, what would YOU do?
Crawl under a table? Run and hide? stand and draw fire away from children? If a person beside you pulled a 45 and started to fire back protecting themselves and you, would you stop them?
To make any positive improvements in either direction,we need to understand the way people across the board think.
You could not just stand up and walk over to those folks and offer them a Coke and a moon pie and say, "hey chill dude bullets are expensive". You would probably die.
Singing Kumbaya and drinking wine would be nice but it won't happen until you fix those peoples brains that want to harm and kill.
NEVER-THE-LESS GUN SHOULD BE OUTLAWED. I know Phart and like minded people think you need them for PROTECTION. That is a fallacy.
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People like you are the people we don't need in fl.
Sad. But if people there had more guns and if they were ready to shoot this wouldn't have happened. It appears that, in the US, is not enough to have guns. You must be constantly ready to shoot otherwise how can you prevent someone who has planned the killings? I think that people should buy more guns. In fact, the government should give them to people for free.
There was a man in Texas I think that shot a man trying to kill people in a church a year or so ago but it was just a blurb. Not long after the church shooting in Charleston, the church my dad attends designated 2 people to be armed with concealed weapons during church services and 1 is usually walking the parking lot during the preaching.NO my dad is not 1 of the designated 1's. BUT it also helps that the preacher is also the police chief for a local town. So I feel sure he is the 3rd man.
The few storys that make it to limited media coverage are cases of home self defense.
Those poor people in Charleston let the guy into the church,and then he pulls a gun and kills numerous people.And the only thing the fucking media could focus on was the confederate flag on his coat I think it was.
No focus on church security,no laws passed for stiffer penalty's for house of worship incidents, nothing.
Pulling the flag down from capital grounds was thought to be the solution.
Just yesterday i spoke to a neighbor and he drives a dump truck hauling construction debris.He was in town near the hospital when a lunitic came running out of a office door,nurse chaseing him, right into the road,right in front of his fully loaded Peterbuilt weighing about 60,000 pounds. Thankfully well maintained so he had good brakes, barely got stopped before hitting the lunatic. He ran on accross the road, causing other vehicals to run off the road into the grass to miss him.
This same type of person, when they display issues,is taken to a doctor, given some "magic" pills ,allowed back on the street, only to come up with some diabolical scheme to harm others.
Lock up the lunatics' instead of medicating them,and the shooting would slow way down.
Then, you've been right all along. If I were in the US I'd have to have guns. But since I can't use or stand having them, (I'm really scared of touching them even, I get panic attack if I see them, I switch off the TV when I see people shooting), I won't be coming to the US.
Well, good luck to you and stay safe as much as you can. When did you learn to handle guns? How come you're not afraid? Are you an army person by any chance?
I do have a friend who retired from the air force that has offered to teach me some since 1 of his jobs was teaching small arms while in the military.
Believe it or not,8 th grade in school we had Hunter safety training courses. they taught us how to carry a gun,and so forth.No actual guns in the classroom.it was lecture and films but still,training in school at a age where it was of value.
In high school,it was common for the folks that hunted and what not to have thier rifles in the back windows of their trucks ,pistols under the seats and on. Nothing was ever thought of it. Treated No different than a fishing pole
I do not own what is considered a assault weapon. They are not very accurate because the recoil after about the second shot causes the gun to rise up and before you know it you are bird hunting.
I've seen guns only in movies.
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And in museums
If you don't want to see all 19m17s, start watching from 10m39s for a good example.
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A good neighbor,wow,rare.
People that don't agree with that fellows actions are the reason insurance is so damn high.And prison systems fail and are over crowded with rotating doors.Just another liberal that thinks everyone else but you is deserving of your hard earned property and life.
As I have ask here a 100 times, how are you supposed to protect yourself and property without a gun or other instrument?
He was not protecting himself and he was not protecting his own property.
He is just a guy who really wanted to kill people.
Do you understand that an idiot like that can even mistake family helping his neighbors to move for burglars?
Stealing does not warrant a death sentence.
Do you see now that you're not pro-life?
And how can you still say "all lives matter"?
What are neighbors for if you don't look out for each other?
IF you don't mind, tell us your response to seeing your neighbor's home being broken into and their hard earned stuff being carried out by a non deserving ,non working thief?
Would you run and hide in your safe place? Would you say, "Excuse me,that is not the latest model ,here take mine,it only cost a 100 bucks more and works so much better".
I might get some sort of answer from you,because sometimes you will take the time to answer,but when others are cornered,they seem to just turn silent,thus not bringing anything to the table as far as alternatives.
A power line shorted coming into the house,sent 220 volts thru the 120 volt outlets.My computer,the microwave and 1 other thing,were ruined.I was actually woke up by the smoke boiling out of my desktop computer.When I bought the computer,it was 1300 bucks. it was 8 years old or so,worked great,I was happy.But it went up in smoke by fault of the power company not maintianing the trees near the power lines. The microwave,to replace it with a equal model to the 1 we had was well over 400 bucks.
The power company,in their exact words,as a courtesy,gave us a check for 125 bucks. Because the equipment was old and devalued in their eyes.Didn't matter that it was working and we were happy as clams before it went up in smoke with no intentions of replacing it until it failed beyond repair.So who had to absorb the loss? ME. WHY?
Same with a theif. What ever is here in this house right now is up to par with my needs. If it were stolen,I would have to replace it. Insurance ,again,would only give me a small penance of what it was worth.Again,why should anyone absorb the cost of a thugs lifestyle choice,other than the thug?
That is 1 reason why you need to read the fine print of your personal homeowners insurance or what not,because if it does not cover REPLACEMENT cost,then it is hardly worth the money
On the last hurricane, to hit full blown, was Andrew. My house sustained over $30000 worth of damage. Most of it was paid by the insurance. After that insurance companies don’t include wind damage in their policies.
What you don't understand is that life shits on people more in your country.
You suffered yourself, but you don't understand the system in your country increased your risk for suffering and made your suffering worse. You didn't resort to crime, but some people will. We don't put those people in the same circumstances, so we have less people resorting to crime. They are just assholes with a job or assholes on unemployment here. They are causing less harm.
In your country people are left to solve their own problems. There are so many people in trouble and some do make the choice to be a burglar when life shits on them.
So actually in your country you can blame them less for making that choice, than the ones doing that in my country. But, we don't kill them. We call the cops and they don't kill them either. And still, we have less crime, less murders and less people in jail.
Being more tough on crime has never helped and will never help. You can try your way for ever, but you will only create more misery. You need guns to protect yourself and we don't. You then also suffer the consequence of many innocent people being killed.
YES being a burglar is a lifestyle choice. NO one forces you to steal. YOU can choose to walk past a home,or stop and break in the door and take something that is not yours.
That is a choice that should be easy to make.Simply respect other peoples property and home.
IF people make the right choices,they can get along just fine.Yes,life took a shit on me,and no I don't go around stealing. I also had a choice of being a 400 pound dope head watching Jerry Springer all day but I didn't choose to eat all the high powered pain medicine being shoved in my face either. I chose to do the limited things I could do with knowledge I gained from high school and college and help my neighbors save a small fortune on labor for repair bills and parts.
People who like to shoot those people lower themselves to their level.
Humanity should be able to first educate people to not become ignorant, angry, lazy or greedy and secondly minimize the damage of ignorant, angry, lazy and greedy people that are left, without killing them or filling up prisons.
Social democracy does a better job on that and manages to produce much less crime, murder, people in prison, prostitution, substance abuse, child abuse, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and children growing up unguided.
In general we just live more fulfilling, happier lives.
Your form of late stage capitalism lets only a few people take ridiculous wealth, while the rest is struggling. And then you are surprised that some people don't give a fuck about anything anymore and just start taking whatever they can, however they can.
I recently met a fellow that got hurt on his job, workers comp denied his claim,can't work,has issues of all sorts with his back. He is good at sharping chainsaws,something for whatever reason I can't do.So he did 3 chainsaws for me. I had some old machines that I was going to repair for resale,haven't had the time,needed the space,loaded them on his truck this evening.A bit of tinkering that will be about 500 bucks he can rake in. If you try to do right by others,you may not have everything you want,but you won't lack for what you need.
But as far as life choices and guns, DUH< if you own a gun,you are able to choose to use it for protection or for wrong doing.The gun is not going to jump out of the drawer and go kill someone while you are asleep.You have to chose to pick up that gun and use it for the wrong reasons.and that is a lifestyle choice,the choice to be a murderer or a thief or a thug. OR you can choose to learn how to properly use the gun,how to carry the gun properly,how to legally use it for your protection and that of your family and freinds.Again, a lifestyle choice to be a responsible citizen
as for why I own a gun,self defense.I am not able to jump up and run,I am not able to physically beat the shit out of a robber,although it would feel good to vent the frustration!.
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And guess what...this happened in Florida, too.
How did the woman this hideous brute was after, even manage to survive?
She survived and won because she had a gun and she knew how to use it.
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It was fortunate for the woman to have a gun and had knowledge on how to use it. In her situation with the same options, I,too, would have killed the man. Hope that makes you happy..
NOW, TWO THINGS. First, I still believe guns kill many more people than they protect and they should be outlawed. Second, I think the woman should face manslaughter charges just as I believe I should too.
Why should she go to prison for fighting for her life?
He had no business busting into her house. It's not like his heart was in the right place and he smelled smoke or heard screaming from within so he had good reason to do it. I don't know the answer to "Why didn't HE have a gun?".
I'd especially like to know what you think she should have done.
Had this guy had a gun, he could have just shot thru the windows and not even broke down the door. She knew her rights,and actually gave him several chances,count the kicks to the door,each 1 a chance to think,"this isn't working,I am late for class". and still be alive to day. He made a lifestyle choice to be a thug,and got his just reward.What if he had hurt a child? Is there any excuse for the mother not to be able to protect her young?
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It was fortunate for the woman to have a gun and had knowledge on how to use it. In her situation with the same options, I,too, would have killed the man. Hope that makes you happy..
AND THEN I WOULD HAVE FACED THE CONSEQUENCES.
This particular video has caused me to consider getting a video security system.As the fact that he can be clearly seen breaking in the door,that clears the person in that dwelling of wrong doing in defending themselves..
In other words, do what you have to do but expect to account for it.
In USA people tend to kill others for whatever reason. I won't speculate on why it is so.
I've been saying this for years - if you want to kill other people you don't need guns for this. Automobile can be easily made into murder weapon, you can make quite powerful explosives at home, or you can simply use gasoline. So, taking guns away won't solve the problem.
But sure, if you take the guns away from lawful people only outlaws and government will have them. I've been living in mostly oppressed countries all my life and I can tell you it's not pretty when people don't have means to defend themselves from armed criminals, crooked police and corrupted government.
In my neck of the woods, every time someone is murdered, they blame it on "gun ****" and call for gun bans. How about holding the shooters accountable? In these cases, the shooter never owns the guns legally.
Also, reaching, I couldn't agree more with your statement : "political correct bullshit".
Looks like he didn't get his way after all.
Yeah our country has plenty of savages in it. (Savages of all colors, all races.)
He got himself a knife, she had a gun, and guess who won?
Looks like a locked door doesn't help to protect a person, either. Notice how he didn't let a door stop him. This is what I'm trying to get through to TWO WARM...that people have to have guns to win in something like this or they'll wind up as the next dead victim.
For some reason, she doesn't believe me.
As for the "She could have shot him with a tazer or taser instead" argument...well, maybe...we don't know if that would have panned-out all in her favor though.
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That old argument, “ Taking away guns from lawful people, (people who own them legally), means only outlaws & government will have them.”
SO WHAT? Outlaws steal, kill, maim, and speed on I95. Now, go to a football game and tell me how many people are law abiding and how many are OUTLAWS. And as far as the government, when was the last time a governmental force broke into your house with guns and dragged you to prison?
Yes, we all have different beliefs, but, I’m convinced my way would save lives. Can you say the same no matter WHERE YOU LIVE?
People who kill themselves, people who go on shooting sprees, and people that find those other ways to kill are spurred on by the same issue. Mental illness. So I think we would then both agree that one of the best deterrents for gun **** would be outreach and access to mental health care. But it doesn't look like the American healthcare system is equipped for that.
And I agree guns shouldn't be removed from lawful citizens. But those laws they abide by in the United States aren't very effective, let alone are they enforced. They have that disturbing "gun show loophole" where you can walk into a gun show and purchase any kind of weapon from another citizen and not have to register it. And having that kind of access to weapons drives those suicide and murder statistics through the roof.
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Russia has 2 times more intentional murders per capita and it has one of the strictest gun laws. Only 5 million guns, mostly hunting rifles per 150 million population. USA has many times more guns per capita yet twice lower intentional murder stat.
Brazil even worse. 5 times higher murder rate than USA. And in Brazil it's also difficult to possess gun legally. But population have a lot of ille.gal guns.
I direct you back to Wikipedia my good man-
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In this wonderfully visualized data you will see countries represented gun deaths per 100,000 people. Obviously the US isn't the biggest dot there. But the point of data is not to see who was the biggest bar on the bar graph. Instead it is to see what we can interpret from that data. The countries with similar and larger numbers then the US for the most part aren't considered to be developed nations. In fact most of them struggle with civil wars, d_rug trafficking, political unrest, and many other contributing factors. The United States does not share any of those problems within it's boarders, yet it's gun deaths stand on par with those countries. On the flip side the smallest dots there have many developed nations with established gun control. The way America is going to cut down the number of gun deaths is by creating and enforcing restrictions on firearm ownership. Nobody needs to own 14 guns, like the UCC shooter. And anybody that thinks all guns should be banned isn't involved in this debate. People in the united states should have their right to bear arms, but they should also proven that they are responsible and safe gun owners by moving through the correct channels in order to own firearms.
The solution will be compromise, but it's unlikely America will be exercising that democratic value anytime soon.
Also, people usually have the governments they deserve. Exceptions are very rare and mostly to better, not to worse.
That's a very interesting and I think important point, admin.
This week, I read a comment by Bernie Sanders (who is running for President, here) to the effect that he doesn't understand why people in the USA seem to refer to "The Gov't" as if it's some foreign entity -- "The Gov't vs the People" -- when in a democracy the People *are* the Gov't; that *we* put the government in place.
I think some of the animosity extends from the sentiment by the minority that *they* are therefore not represented -- the Tyranny of the Majority, in effect -- but the rancor in this country seems to be amplifying, though perhaps through increased visibility in the media; as with my previous post, it seems that 'compromise' is viewed as a dirty word.
I guess I'd come back to the wisdom of Winston Churchill, who said that "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried..."
Yes people do not know what they are doing. If the choices are only a bunch of crooks to vote for with no leader candidates it leaves not much choice. The only way you become president here is if you have a lot of money with strong political ties.. 2000 as well as 2004 elections were rigged, that being Bushes **** rigging Florida in 2000 by not letting black voters cast. Jeb Bush did that and in 2015 he is running for president now while he is insisting to take armies into Syria and Iraq to clean up what George Bush made with his mess costing and depleting middle class once more...Meantime,,,, all that money that is being sucked up from middle class is not going towards better schools, hospitals, roads.. Our income is used for the higher class to invest in war. The middle class is literally a host to parasitic invasion constantly...To me, the country is run by the 1% elite in income, not the people as a whole therefore it is a totalitarian dictatorship...This has been going in since welfare was invented,,,before that is another story..The constitution is a lie and it always was.. The declaration of independence should be the declaration of slaughter of genocide..Now 240 years later our president is trying to do the same thing with the Jews... I mean C'mon,, I can sit here all night listing atrocities committed over and over starting with the period of the Mayflower... It has never improved over its history..It is not the peoples fault because its about trust and over and over again all they do is lie,, promise one thing then lie for the next 4 years..
But you're completely right as far as moving the United States' funds out of the military. If even half of the military budget was re-appropriated into spending on education, social programs, infrastructure, and NASA. Within a generation the United States would be the world leader again.
As Winston Churchill also said, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter...or a perusal of this thread."
And I told you not to trust Cuba stats. If they were living as well as their government claims they would not swim over to USA on air mattresses, risking their lives. Also, I've actually seen how they live. It only looks good within tourists zone. Get outside and you'll find people living with pigs inside their houses. And I don't mean teacup pigs.
Obama is a disgrace, no doubt, but your understanding of the situation and why is that so does not seem to be coherent to me.
> > "Our president is giving 30 Billion dollars to support a terrorist regime to wipe out Israel which happens to be the best country in the world." < <
Six world powers, including the US, agreed to lift the sanctions on Iran's access to some of its own export monies, that we were sitting on until Iran agreed to a deal on nuclear weapon technologies, because that's precisely what Iran did.
The sanctions were breaking down, and since they were enacted to bring Iran to the table and agree to a deal, diplomacy worked; military intervention in Iran would have been the next step, an action few would endorse -- on either side of the conflict, or of the aisle.
We were never going to get full concessions in the negotiations, because that's the nature of successful diplomacy, and without a deal Iran's nuclear ambitions were unimpeded. I don't think there's much debate about how that would change the balance of power and outlook in the mid-East.
As it is, Iran is cooperating with the international community and under heavy pressure to comply -- and importantly, there is better scrutiny to be sure that they are. If we can find agreement on this, perhaps we could eventually agree on more.
Call me an optimist, but I can't help but hear an echo of the past in this statement...
> > "Our ch ildren are turning into zombies addicted to fantasies on ipod's and computers." < <
...which sounds a lot like what was said about the ch!ldren of the radio & TV era, who grew up to deliver us to the moon, provide affordable PCs in every household, and eliminate polio; or the ch!ldren of the PC era, who introduced us to genetic medicines, clean-energy technology and the internet; and the ch!ldren of the internet, who...
Do you get the picture?
I have little doubt that the promises of this generation -- of the eradication of diseases, of the reduction of our ecological footprint, of the improvements to the quality of life for increasing numbers of people, of the prospect for greater peace for *all* people -- I have little doubt these will be realized.
But it will be a rosy vision of the future, not of the past, that achieves it...
Really? Did someone say so? Best country in the world? Wow! Wow! What the fuck? What a statement! OK, no comments.
I do agree about criminals and lawful people. It's a big problem in America...I am sure that IF guns were so readily available in other western countries, you would see the same no. of mass shootings as in this country. Australia had many mass killings by guns before the Gov't. took them away from basically everyone in the 90's. People really are not very much different country to country. It's only the artificial map drawn boundaries that give that appearance of difference. They all have the same types of personal problems. Paycheck to paycheck. Is the wife happy? Am I happy? How are we going to escape the everyday humdrum??...THOSE DAMN KIDS!!
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I see I have NO replies to my post or any post! Why is that?? Because they make too much sense to argue with? Because I am a person no grata? Because I have not pictures??? Because...once again...they make SO much sense they cannot be argued with?
And this is the last comment I will make about this. As valid comments are clearly a waste of time.
Do you really think that members look to see whether you post pictures or if you have a paid membership prior to responding to anyone? I DON'T THINK SO! I know that I *WOULD* look at your profile if you posted something saying something like; "I wonder why no one is befriending me" or "I'm not getting any comments on my pictures"
GET OVER YOURSELF AND STOP YOUR WHINING!
Often times members that do post pictures will not receive responses to their posts, so how does that make you any different? Oh, that's right, you're special....now get over yourself!
By the way, it looks like you're still sitting on that same pile of points that you've had for months. I hope the points give you comfort and validate your being.
Sincerely Yours and nothing special
Talk4s
PS. That piercing all seeing eyeball is kinda' creepy.
T4s
IF someone wants to kill someone, isn't THAT the issue? Why? If you come down to killing someone, as a 'good idea' you need HELP!!
I think that if you want to kill some, whether specific, or just a group, you are BAT SHT CRAZY and NEED HELP!! The VAST MAJORITY of gun owners in the U.S. aren't nut-jobs, and use them to hunt deer, elk, and game, NOT PEOPLE!!
Taking away guns from lawful people, (people who own them legally), means only outlaws & government will have them
The majority of gun deaths are not done by outlaws. Domestic violence is the biggest reason. I noticed some members say our kids haven't been brought up right. Perhaps the parents are to blame? Respect for life starts at home
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What methods of self defense would be suitable, or should I say ,politically correct, to the liberals?
Honest question that really needs to be answered in close detail. As self defense is why there have been MANY guns sold in recent troubled times to all races of people here in the US.The answer to that question will be hard to get.Because frankly alot of liberals do not think you have a right to self defense.
but there is hope
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I am not trying to be a smart ass, I am trying to dig into this and understand. Peace is not a natural occurrence.
Violence is not a natural occurrence.
Both require effort on someone's part.
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Read this, now tell me again why it is ok for people that have mental issues to be running loose among us?
Funny aint it,ask a real question,try to solve a REAl problem,and no takers.
Just like the ventilators found at the city dump in Florida the other day. several million dollars worth still wrapped and boxed ,dumped and distroyed because of no certain government approval.HAD the owners REALLY gave a shit about the plandemic and the victums,they woulda shipped them to a country that could use them without the red tape. But as with all liberal issues,it is not about finding and solving the REAL problem,it is about control and money.
that is a real shame theyre dumping new machines, it shows you just how crazy the place really is when that is the case.. bureaucracy is a wonderful thing when it can discriminate like that.
I dont know what the answer is for guns, as all the rules in the world want ever stop someone that wants one, getting one and using it how ever they want.. you can make tighter gun laws, but only honest people will follow them anyway, and while ever there are people with narrow minds that hate on others and cause these horrific shootings, it will only ever start a debate and nothing new will come out of it.. even here with less guns on the streets, people do still shoot each other, its just on a lesser scale, but here we have so many different cultures all vying for their 'own way' to live, now jump in cars and mow people down on streets, causing more injury and mayhem than a gun can.. like you said, it doesnt matter if you take all the guns. they will find new ways to run people over, blow them up with suicide vests, cars full of nail bombs.. or flying a plane into a building.. it think that did the biggest damage...
the real problem is hate, and some people just have more hate in them than others ... nothing you can do will take it out of them, and most of them enhance it with some drugs or brain washing to help it along, and some are just born into it.. have no choice in the life they lead... so many variants and there is no answer or debate that will ever come out with millions of people all agreeing on ONE solution? because there is no solution... everyones opinion is different and everyones opinion can change if they become a victim of gun crime, or other kind of a terrorism that this world is now in a 'pandemic' of.. so many cultures being shoved together and governments just expecting them to get on... like Ive said many times before, and not just since BLM came up, america cant even sort out their love/hate relationship with black and white, same as any other country that had slaves, or took over a country with a different 'species' of human on it.. we've always hated difference and trying to grind it into people isnt working, so now theyre trying to inter breed us into submission... like breeding 'mongrel' humans to save the world... governments have been watering down their nations for years .. now theyre poking the dragon... I was hoping that in my lifetime Id never see a world war, but its getting close again, something will snap one day... like the king wont get laid he'll have a huge head ache and take it out on the world... and POOF, life as we know it can change for no reason of our own and we'll have no say in starting or stopping it, we'll just be collateral damage in any governments eyes and that to me really SUCKS *LIX*
FIX that and gun control is not needed
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Guns...
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Guns for killers
Moreover, let me say it again: why are there people here who are, clearly, not interested in sex or sexuality? I don't mean that we shouldn't have other topics to talk about ever, but it seems that the major focus of the departed member, as well as some other ones, is the discussion of all matters except sex. Which I find weird. Not because other matters are not important but because this is a fucking sex site!
The person you mention is all about free speech.
If someone is blacklisted and cannot post on a particular members comments etc,don't post on someone else's behalf unless you are sure what you are getting involved in....
And also remember what JohnS says about you....his nickname for you is really not flattering....
Tells you quite a bit about a persons actions if you cannot respect someone enough to call them by their username....
Yes it is a sex site...but not all of us are nymphomaniacs and after a while sifting through members to find real people is what it's all about for me....
I am a straight guy,not a confused guy who sometimes sucks cock or lets a guy suck me.....so in my time here there are only so many things you can talk about....
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Moreover, let me say it again: why are there people here who are, clearly, not interested in sex or sexuality? I don't mean that we shouldn't have other topics to talk about ever, but it seems that the major focus of the departed member, as well as some other ones, is the discussion of all matters except sex. Which I find weird. Not because other matters are not important but because this is a fucking sex site!"
Point that last paragraph out to John and you will see a reaction that is too funny for words....
So take a big breath leo and be lucky....
A leopard cannot change it's spots....
That is what I am referring to
So I repeat "Yes it is about having fun Leo....but do you think John gets into the spirit of fun considering what you just posted ? "
You admit posting something for John ...he was banned by a member for whatever reason....then you were banned by the same member because you posted for John...then you made a duplicate thread,so you had something in mind by that action....
You say that member was badmouthing you,but John does it too...
So is that a little clearer,or have I muddied the waters even further ?
I will write to JohnS and invite him to make a comment here.
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Done. I wrote to him in private the following:
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Nov 21, 08:01 leopoldij: John, In this thread, /forum/thread.php?id=24712&p=1#t381679 , I posted this on 20,Nov,15 07:38, as a reply to you:
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The problem is, as you see, that this person was not a supporter of free speech. You, at some point, asked me to post something on your behalf. Not knowing anything about the background, I did post, just as you had done for me once or twice. The reaction of this member was (1) banning me, (2) badmouthing me, (3) trying to have me banned from the site, among other things. Extremely erratic and almost violent behavior.
Moreover, let me say it again: why are there people here who are, clearly, not interested in sex or sexuality? I don't mean that we shouldn't have other topics to talk about ever, but it seems that the major focus of the departed member, as well as some other ones, is the discussion of all matters except sex. Which I find weird. Not because other matters are not important but because this is a fucking sex site!
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I then received several responses, mostly from alexblue. Please read them. He claims that you don't like my response. I replied that what I wrote was my opinion about the site. He continued reminding me that you were trying to get rid of me in the past and that you were badmouthing me. Actually, I had forgotten that. I believe that you have no intention of doing that any more, so please reply. I have nothing against anyone, and if someone who didn't like me changes their mind, great, we're friends again. THis goes for everyone, not just you.
So, I'll leave it upon you to reply. And I'm going to post this on the thread too.
Cheers.
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I leave it upon him to reply.
And you are correct,if people can change their minds and be more friendly it can only be a good thing
all I was trying to point out is that don't post on another persons behalf unless you know what you are getting into...
But I guess John forgot to explain he has a vendetta against anyone who makes a different choice to what he would ,to you....
Talking about people here who are talking about subjects that "clearly, not interested in sex or sexuality"
Why is anyone talking about guns on a site dedicated to penises, sex, and sexually-related topics??
Sorry, leopoldij, but go find a FUNDAMENTALIST blog, or site, and post your rhetoric there!! This isn't the place for your bias!!