Started by bigone21 at 19,Jul,13 21:36 other posts of bigone21
 | Why is it that WHITE people allways feel threatened by minoraties that gain rights? The group with the MOST rights, allways and for centuries, are the ones that feel the most threatened (historically) by blacks/coloured and (at this time) by samesex couples...
Same-sex couples can marry know also in France and England! Hallelujah! The Netherlands, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, some states in Brazil and USA, and some more that don't come to mind now..! But back to the question: why do (heterosexual) WHITE people, that allways enjoyed all rights to the max, are so loud on this? Nothing is ever taken away from them, and yet, at all kinds of subjects, they scream murder if any other group gets granted the same rights! For the record: I'm white! (and don't understand this reflex)! |
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It's a distraction, just like all the culture war bullshit, so they can keep raking in the money,
over your back. Both political parties and all corporate news channels do their part in this.
They are never talking about important issues, but are just aggravating the left-right split. That way, voters are only supporting the party, not the policies, so both parties can continue representing their DONORS and not their voters.
When the Salvation Army has to retract a brochure it put out to it's employees and volunteers telling about how they should apologize for being white it seems to be more of a distraction.
When 1 side trys to erase the history of the other ,only to slap their own in the faces of the other,it is difficult to believe it is just a distraction.
There is a deeper problem.1 that simple hate like liberals try to make it out to be is not adequate to explain it all.
Culture war bullshit is part of their marketing strategy.
How can you not see that?
It's simple; who are most of our customers and how do we appease them?
Just like M&M's getting a some more gender neutral clothes. It hyped the brand all over the news. Maybe some right-wingers buy M&M's a bit less for some time, but sure as hell their marketing consultants calculated a positive effect in their consumer base and pocketed their generous consulting fees.
Thanks consultants, that is a nice distraction, when we have some annoying information about us using slave labor for our cacao plantations in Ivory Coast coming out.
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AM I MAKING SENSE YET?
But, how many liberals do you think care about M&M characters being more gender neutral? Maybe a tiny minority of pink haired teens calling themself 'unicorn-sexual' or WTF. And maybe they would care about the slave labor, if they knew, but that news gets out-hyped by the stupid characters.
Some corporations donate money, true. But have you seen money donated by corporations against their profit motives? It's all within their branding. Being 'inclusive' doesn't cost anything. Donations are not free, but it's only a tiny fraction from their profits and rest assured they calculated that it would increase their profits, from the marketing they get from it. It's called a 'Ronald McDonald house' or something similar.
And why do they pander to the liberals and not the conservatives? Because conservatives already give them everything they want. Liberals would maybe rain in their power and profit potential, if they didn't like their business practices. Conservatives don't give a fuck about exploitation.
But you do care sometimes about those things and blame the liberals and even the Democrats. Blaming the liberals OK, but the Democratic politicians really don't care. It's just the only thing left they can pander to their base with, because they are not going to do anything else for them.
I do suspect the corporations to do it on purpose. It enrages the right-wing media, they blame the liberals and the Democrats, which is great for their actual purpose; right-wing policies. Actual left policies hurt their ridiculous wealth.
I mostly avoid chocolate at all for a while now. But if I indulge myself, M&M's are not my first choice. They don't taste like chocolate, but like sugar and peanut. Then I prefer honey roasted cashew-nuts.
Snickers always was my favorite, but it has been a while. I mostly go for the chocolate covered hazelnuts or just a bar of milk chocolate. Have you tried Knoppers bars? They are pretty good for less.
The green m-m, who sees it as "sexy" I don't.I see a cartoon m-m.
Are you saying that "liberals" are a specific race of people?
Who is this "other race" you speak of? I mean, there are so many races, could you be more specific? Are you talking Jewish? Asian? Relay, perhaps?
Do you even bother to read this shit before you hit "submit comment"?
But on the other hand, conservatives die more of Covid.
Maybe an idea for a TV show. Two deserted islands, one with a group of liberals and one with a group of conservatives. They get some food and some tools, but mainly they have to live on what the island offers them. Before they go, they can vote if they are allowed to bring guns. Then we see what happens for a year.
Somehow I have more confidence in the liberals.
Because, sure all liberals are vegetarians, that's true.
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Sure, I've never lived in the USA. But is the 'Great American Way' a reason for white people being afraid of black people, gays, transsexuals and Muslims?
I don't listen to the 'big fish' in news much. But when I do, I get really depressed with their logic and messaging. I mostly listen to YouTubers. I don't limit myself to the most lefty ones either, but I don't waste much of my time on the far right characters.
Why listen to false arguments on incorrect facts, leading through failing logic to a reprehensible opinion?
I have heard local news is basically a recital of all the killings, muggings and rapes in the area. Is that true? Maybe your local news is better. Can you give an example of the important subjects they cover? And if they give an economic perspective on political subjects, do you think they are objective or are they giving the corporation approved perspective?
Local news is a compilation of what a community needs to know and special interest to the local community. Murders and other crimes gage the efficiency of the police and monetary needs of the population. It’s good to know what Congress and the President are doing but, I’m more interested if I95 is clogged from an accident. I want to know where Covid vaccines are being given. The central government, the Feds if you will, are important, but state legislators usually have more impact on our daily lives. I also want to know if Miami Beach is flooded from the tides because global warming is increasing tide level. This morning they hired a new head of the Broward schools. They teach our kids. That’s important. A truck demonstration in Quebec or Washington DC is news worthy, but, it hardly affects South Florida. I could go on, but, you get the picture. As far as the economic perspective, finding out the local grocery store prices have jumped 5% in the last month or that gas is selling at $3.35/gal affects my neighbors more than hearing the Dow took a plunge.
What seems to get lost in all this, I have no idea why hatred is the only thing people can see when looking at whites vs black. I don't "HATE" anyone. I flat out don't like some people I have met in person or saw on tv.but as far as hate, no.Hate gets you no where.
But at the same time, I am hated. By some for simply being born white. and that piss's me off. Like I had a choice. Like I owe someone a apology. For what? What if I had a High IQ, should I apologize to the dumber folk? What if I had a 12 dick,should I apologize to the shorter dick folks? No. I was BORN this way.I sure as hell aint rubbing black stove polish all over myself either.
This gas thing is really going to be a issue. IF war breaks out,the truckers protest will be the least of the worrys. As fuel will be short on supply and high as hell. Shutting down our already weak economy.
Maybe they don't like you thinking that their underprivileged position is completely their own fault. That's mostly a right-wing position. So if they hate you, it might be because of you're political ideas, more than your color. It's the Republicans who are doing whatever they can to undermine their ability to vote. They are affected by Republican lawmakers who give them worse schools, polluting factories in their neighborhoods, new highways trough their backyards, longer prison sentences for drug abuse or financial crimes, lower funding for their infrastructure, police who harass their kids, when they are just walking home from school or work and see them as a dangerous suspect, just for being black. You can say you feel discriminated for being white, but you do not get discriminated like that. Even if some or most or all hate you, it doesn't affect your life, like it does theirs.
And if you think they can't see your political ideas, you're wrong, they can see it in your eyes and how you move, when they come closer.
Black people get it too. A well groomed black guy in a suit probably less, but a teenager in a hoodie scares people.
And what about the fuss about what bathroom transsexuals use? They are talking about r*a*p*e related to that topic. What statistic ever said transsexuals r*a*p*e more than cis people? At least Muslims are actually over-represented in the group of suicide bombers and black youth is actually over-represented in robbery.
Maybe gay people are feared the least, but I ask phart if he would dare to go to a sauna frequented by gay men, even if sex there was strictly forbidden.
Part of a google search result shows this for bigot" unreasonably attached to a belief,". I am far from Unreasonably attached to a belief. I just don't deny what I see in plain view and try to over shadow reality with a veil of everything is supposed to be peachy..
And you yourself just posted
"If a young black man starts to follow me while I’m walking I’d would be apprehensive but that’s for safety reasons"
Safety reasons, so young Pakistani males don't have dicks?
Young dutchman here on visa don't get horny?
Really? safety reasons ,sounds racist to me.
Hoodies on white people scare me just as much as if they were on blacks. Hoodies hide a person's eyes and face.If they commit a crime or intend to,you can't see their eyes or facial expressions. It is for safety reasons to quote Cat that people in general are afraid of hoodie people. And how many people rob a bank wearing NOTHING on their head?
As for me being afraid if a muslim woman got on the bus with a bag, hell yes. BASED ON FACT that similar situations here in the US and abroad have led to death and injury.
TO qoute Cat again, for safety reasons.
They get judged only on their appearance, because of actions by people with similar appearance. You express really not liking that yourself. You can be assured they suffer more from that, than we (white people) do.
Irrational fear means that your fear is NOT proportional to the risk. I have accused you and right-wingers in general, often for having irrational fears.
(in my opinion those fears are manufactured, to serve a purpose)
Off course, getting blown up is not funny, but in our countries it happens almost never. Getting mugged is also not nice, but how often does it still happen?
I don't carry cash anymore. My cards are mostly useless without the code.
Maybe my ID and drivers-license would be of some value to them, but I would block them the next day.
There are neighborhoods where you have a risk of getting beat up. Those are tiny areas, just don't go there. You would be angry enough, to beat people up too, if you had to live there.
Admittedly, as a woman, there is the risk of getting r*a*p*e*d. I wish men didn't do that. Now, it's never the women's fault, but there are ways to reduce the risk. It's where they go alone, not how they look. Even if you force all women to look like men, a predator still knows his prey. It's they ones he can overpower, not the ones who emit confidence. Recognize that r*a*p*e is an act of cowardice.
You are not reacting to being afraid of gay and transsexual people. Do you think the fuss about the bathrooms is due to fear of transsexual people, a purely political protest against them or a religion based one? And why then think of them as r*a*p*e*ists? What can it be, other than fear or resistance against their existence?
The only thing I feel for transsexual people is sympathy. I imagine it to be a tough struggle. And if they decide to be the gender they want to be, they need to go through a horrific operation. Imagine that, when you already feel comprehensive about getting an injection.
There is good reason for concern. If they are born male with male parts but they want to go to a females bathroom and potentially be seen by someone **** or that does not want to see such in what is supposed to be a safe secure place for women to be women and to use the bathroom. you may think being seen isn't a problem,but what if your 5 year old came out of the bath room and said "daddy, that woman has something hanging down,"down there" that I don't,why is she different"? Do you really want to have to explain that to a 5 year old?
Alot of other reasons for concern as with the 14 year old in a school that raped 2 girls at 2 different schools because he was trans and the school was more of afraid of the back lash of punishing him for the **** so he got transfered after the first case to another school,only to repeat it. so now 2 victums of **** by a 14 year old male with rageing hormones posing as a trans.
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Whats more important in this case, the rights of those 2 girls that will never feel "secure" again, or the rights of a confused 14 year old boy using trans as a way to get to easy victims?
And i know people here have a hatred for religion but it is not morally acceptable by Christians. And they have rights to by the way.and since they are the majority, the rules tend to lean that way.Why should they have to be exsposed to this sort of thing?
Your prudishness is getting way too far. As a child, me and my brother changed in the women's change-room, when we went swimming, so our mother could keep an eye on us. No one gave a fuck. Now everywhere there are dressing compartments, because the prudishness has affected The Netherlands too.
In Denmark there are mostly just big open change rooms, one for the women and one for the men. But we've seen a single father taking his daughters with him in the men's changing room and no one even looked. The whole of Scandinavia has sauna culture. They don't care about seeing each other naked. They just think sex-ed cannot start soon enough. Way less teen pregnancies there.
You know what breeds frustrated boys and men? That ridiculous 'decency' standard. The most women get r*a*p*e*d in countries where they are forced to wear hijabs or burkas. How do you get mass r*a*p*e of boys? You tell men they can't have sex and treat everything with shame and silence, AKA the Catholic church.
So what if your child ask why that woman has has something hanging down.
Is that really so difficult to explain?
"by a 14 year old male with rageing hormones posing as a trans."
That's not true, there is nothing in the article or in the news-feed that he was allowed in the girls bathroom or that he was posing as a trans. He is just a boy.
Do you think a rapist cares about rules?
If you can't even find one example, than what are we talking about? Fear!
Found what I was looking for, trans was the wrong word,gender fluid is the politically correct title he was running under.
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"he parents of one of the girls released a statement through the Virginia-based Stanley Law Group blaming school officials for failing to put in place safeguards to prevent the boy, who they say was dressed in a skirt, from entering the girl’s bathroom to assault their daughter at Stone Bridge High School in Ashburn, Va., on May 28."
I would be OK with limits, before they let transgender boys in the girls bathroom. Some have been with gender support services for years and take puberty blockers from early teens, to prevent them turning into a man.
They look like a girl and have the strength of a girl. If they are forced to go to the boys room, that's more of a risk of them getting raped. And maybe the boys might feel uncomfortable, standing at a urinal, when a girl comes in.
But let's have some common sense instead of laws on this subject.
Sadly.
Describing it as politicized is an understatement, it's weaponized!
And before you immediately blame 'the left', think about it. ... Really?
Just compare Fox News with CNN. Who is talking about culture stuff more?
And the politicians?
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Phart, it's like you have a hidden agenda?
BUT that day could very well come.
And which is more important to you? Being safe or being a naive victim so you don't carry the burden of guilt of considering race in regards to your safety??
If you don't remember,back shortly after 9-11 the fbi or 1 of those alphabet groups issued a warning that the terrorist could high jack firetrucks or ambulances to use for attacks.Has it happened yet? No,but the potential was apparently there.
I think part of the problem is the folks that make social profiling out to be a negative thing.It's not when you are trying to protect potentially 1000's of people from a attack.
OR 1 person for that matter in a back alley.
To be a Police officer in the USA, ffs. Seen it on video and fuck that but really at the end of the day is not racist. You sound it abit. TOLERANCE WILL SORT IT OUT BUT TOLERANCE SEEMS EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS
Sure in Germany there were a few guys driving into crowds. Also lots of victims. But US records are hard to break, without guns everywhere.
Have you seen the gun control bit of Jim Jefferies?
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I have the most respect for the people I know, from Mexico, Somalia, or other places, as they TRY to speak better, to be understood and accepted!
What about you LAZY, white, 'entitled' bastards, that can't be bothered to just speak American English, when Jose, from Guatemala, speaks English, Spanish, and French, and never had more than what Americans would accept as a "Grade School" education!!??
Here in the US our constitution fixed alot of the issues of minority's, blacks were the majority of the minority at that time because they were freed slaves.
BUT For whatever reason, instead of enjoying their rights or fighting for their rights if infringed on early on,they continued to live a life of servitude in a sense. Part of that was due to lack of education.
That problem has been fixed for several decades as all races can attend the same schools. And ride the same bus's and so on.
Affirmative action prompts employers to hire a certain person, not by qualification but by skin color.
So there have been alot of advancements for minority's in the US over the past 100 years.
And you know what? Instead of using these things to their advantage, some want to continue the old "victim" routine. NOTHING is enough.
To me for alot of white people it is not "fear" as you put it,but anger at the fact that all people have the same rights,but yet some find it takes effort to make the best of those rights and aren't willing to make the effort.
Whites don't own homes, cars and business's because they are white, they own them because they or their family members made the effort to work and get those things with their own hands.
What blacks call white privileges is a made up concocted line of bullshit.
What privileges do whites have? The same damn 1's the other races have and DON"T USE>
Now,I am willing to bet that someone will come up and call me bad names because I tried to honestly answer the question. With a few facts. Research our constitution and you will find that minority's have protection. Read about affirmative action and so on. The ground work has been laid for everyone for a long time.just some don't want to pickup a hammer and start building on it.
Yep, in this thread you should find and agree concrete proof that white folks are far more intellectual and superior to any other race. This is also an example and should be considered proof, WHITE MEN are the most intelligent species of all, far more intelligent than white women.
Short answer, why do I like the "forums" here, I mainly spend time in only the MAIN forum which is then further sub categoried and broken down into a thread. If a thread/sub topic appears to look interesting to me and I feel that I can add to it, I surely do not hesitate and I will post. BOOM!
(Suddenly, I feel less lonely in the forum
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I thought since the topic was being discussed elsewhere, what was the harm?
Some liberals tend to think we need to have these difficult conversations to help better understand the situation for both sides.And in that I can agree.
As for being racist, how is it racist to point out the racism of the other race?The 1 hollaring racism the most is actually the more racist of the 2. I literally don't care about a persons race in regards to jobs or anything else,as long as they got there on their own and are taking the same level of responsibility's. It is when 1 race gets a job and is not qualified for it, simply because of their race,it becomes a exspensive problem for everyone involved.---------------------------------------
As for "holding water", ok,give us your take.You seem to be smart so perhaps you might plug a few holes in the bucket.
Have a good time.
It is rare to find a woman that speaks her mind, I was actually glad you were participating. BOTH sides or should I say ALL sides, need to be open to discussion. IF not,no actual workable solutions to any of the worlds problems can be found.1 group or side will always feel screwed.
Not in a way where I feel like I'm talking to the man who is sat at the local pub every night as if he's never left.
I suffered a tbi about 16 years ago.It prompts issues with word structure at times. BUT it does not taint my knowledge,I just can't convey in in proper english and form to suit some folks. Sorry about that.
Um,you might want to check with Bezos or Elon and see if you can catch the next rocket off earth!
Go ahead Leo,no harm done,you can't help it,
IF equality is the goal.
Equal opportunity, sure,it is already there for all to enjoy. Just check out the lady running against Omar in the next election Minnesota, District 5 only registered users can see external links
Muslim from Somalia, clearly a member of a race and group of people that suffer discrimination.BUT she is useing the rights given to all Americans and is going places. It could be done by all,but it requires effort.And it is easier to sit back and wait on uncle sams check than to actually try to do anything.
As for color and my situation. When 3 different lawyers tell you that color DOES affect your accept or deny, and 1 of them was trying his damnest to get his % of all my settlements, how or why should I forget that??
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Looking at this chart should make anyone with brains sad.
LOOK at the drop out rate of the Native Americans. WOW.How can they overcome repression if they themselves don't get a good education?
then look at the Asian. And we wonder why China is kicking our ass.
IF You were to put me in as President,that would be 1 of my first executive orders, mandating high school graduation of ALL AMERICANS.
With a high school diploma,and good grades,scholarships and grants can be had for those who want to better themselves
Now, tell me what you would do with students that fail to graduate.
YOu must admit,a high school diploma goes along way to make a persons life better.
So you believe that everyone should pay their way.....but if college education costs too much,how can you improve the lives of US citizens.....?
So you're really in favour of being a dictator if you use executive orders to do what you want..... mandatory high school graduation with diplomas would cost a fortune,who is going to pay for that phart?the government? Given your previous posts you are anti government messing about and telling you what to do and how to live your life....
As for native Americans,you really are fucking clueless about your own history sometimes.
Native Americans have been wiped out in genocide by white men...and had their country taken from them....do you understand the racial scarring that occurred with that?
They want to live how they lived for thousands of years before white guys turned up....but capitalism makes money king.....that leaves no space for spiritual people....
Rant done
The native Americans have not been wiped out totally. Just check out all the casinos a few of the tribes own so they can buy back what was stolen.
So a few casinos pay for something that was stolen from them in the first place.... listen to yourself...
Stick to being a follower of patriarchal monotheistic horseshit....
Since when did republicans not like a high school diploma?
So improving your intelligence is stupid but a manual trade like laying brick is good,and you wonder why the Chinese are kicking your ass as you put it earlier!!!
So it is being a dictator to make a executive order in regards to education, biden is 1 hell of a dictator as he has signed away alot of peoples lively hoods
With that said, I wonder if you would have ever made the initial post about the encounter and whether her being blonde, slender, attractive and with a peppy step would have even been mentioned?
"A human made a bad remark to my parent".
That is off the top of my head as generic as I can get that statement.
The reader would think,"well was it a woman,was it his mother or father or--etc".
There would be no need to convey the information if it were so generic it left more questions than answers. Clearly explained it would enforce a persons feelings about a topic or might persuade a change of opinion of a class of people or a bussiness or what ever.
What if I ate some food at a place and I said,
"I ordered a burger from Joe's grill and the grubby fat guy behind the counter did not cook it well done and didn't properly clean the grill."
or I could say " I had a bad experience at a restaurant.".
First off the reader would wonder, "where was this?" "was it the food bad or the service?"
.I don't know if I am making my point or not here.But in this example there would be no reason to even mention the bad experience if there were no details to help others not experience the same issues.
There was someone famous a while back made a statement along the lines of,"Old white men are the problem"
Take that sentence and make it generic. What would the purpose be of even speaking it?
Granted a person like FMK , you could not sway them if you tried.
I don't know if she would call someone a redneck out loud or not. I sorda doubt based on our very limited off thread communication which I will keep private unless she wants to convey it.
Let's just hit a couple of examples, shall we?
1."blacks were the majority of the minority at that time because they were freed slaves.
WRONG! They were the "minority" because there were fewer of them. That's what "minority" actually means to a non-racist (or to someone who understands English.)
2. "For whatever reason, instead of enjoying their rights or fighting for their rights if infringed on early on,they continued to live a life of servitude in a sense. Part of that was due to lack of education."
There's a whole shit-load of stuff wrong here. For example, their lack of education was because--in a large part of the country--it was against the law for black people to learn how to read. Also, in that same part of the country, their "rights" were limited by the white people who controlled virtually every aspect of the law. (Don't forget, lynchings were a very popular way for many non-black folk to pass the time back then.)
3. "white privileges is a made up concocted line of bullshit"
I don't know if your type of people deliberately misconstrue the concept of "white privilege" to fit your own racist agenda, or if you are just to ignorant to comprehend what it really means, but that particular statement is the real "line of bullshit".
Let me try and explain it for you (I know, I am wasting my time on this, but I have to try):
The "privilege" part of "white privilege" is that, by virtue of being white, even the hardest stuff in daily life is easier than it is for non-white people. It isn't saying that white people don't often have a tough time in life, just that being white makes the tough stuff just a little easier than it is for non-white people.
I really want to read a good explanation of that priviledge thing because my father worked toe to toe with blacks on his job for 30 years and not a fucking thing came to him any easier than it did to his coworkers. They got along great on the job and looked out for each other.But nothing was easy got or easy done for any of them over the other. They had to work to earn their pay just the same.
What ever is in my fathers name was earned by his blood ,sweat and tears. Being white didn't put him where he got to in life,his WORK put him there.
So you are saying blacks were not the largest minority at the time? so was it the Native Indians? Was it the chinese brought over to build the railroads? Had the mexicans already started illegal immigration? I don't quite get how the blacks were not the largest minority.
I am not saying that the work your father did was easier for him than it was for the non-white employees, or that he didn't work hard to earn a living. That isn't even in question.
What I AM saying is that, historically speaking, it was probably easier for him to get the job because he was WHITE, he probably earned a higher wage because he was WHITE, if promotions or raises were available, being WHITE most likely put him higher on the list than his non-white co-workers.
That's what "white privilege" means, and stuff like that is still happening here today.
Here's an example from my own experience:
When I first got out of college, I worked for a few months at an employment agency. The agency would solicit and post ads in the newspaper for job openings at hundreds of different companies in the area. My job was to interview potential employees and set up job interviews with those companies.
All of those ads were clearly marked "Equal Opportunity Employer"--because that's the law.
HOWEVER--
On my second week at the job, I was told by my boss that when I interviewed a black applicant, I had to mark a number '15' on a corner of their file. When I asked why, I was told that many of the employers only wanted to hire white people but, because they couldn't legally say that, they would just specify that we weren't to send any '15's to apply when they
posted the opening with our company.
I left for a new job several weeks later, but have been told by friends who remained with that agency for several years after I left that the practice was still going on.
That is not only an example of systemic racism, but of 'white privilege' as well.
1 question this raises.How perhaps I should why,should a white person feel guilt in regards to white privileged if they have no idea that it has ever affected them?
I have never felt privileged over another person and if someone were to tell me I should feel guilt or remorse,my response would be a negative 1 because I have no idea if it ever affected me. And I have never deliberately used it because until a couple short years ago I had never even heard of it.
Maby by asking that question,you can understand why it might anger people.
I guess a simple way to say it would be for a person in a labcoat to walk up to you and tell you that you only had 49.8 white bl00d cells therefore are to be punished.You would be angry because,how the hello would you know how many blood cells you had and how would you fix it.
I can't fix the situation.If there is 1.which as you indicated perhaps there is some work to be done.
I am willing to bet though,the white folks that got hired,had no idea that they were not labeled a 15 .
Well, I also fear Donald Trump getting another term
I was raised to dislike gays more than anything. I had girl friends, I ate them out but they never got me excited, and if I could keep it hard it would take forever. Even testosterone injections and viagra couldn't get me hard with women. So who's choice is it that made me attracted to men? Not mine. I love women but they just don't turn me on. I have been married twice, only because that is what the church told my family a straight man's suppose to do.
The Church burnt this deep into men, as women were supposed to remain silent.
As for me I prefer to think for myself than accept an ancient political program.
You speak about 'ifs', I spoke about facts.
[ A man's cum is primarily semen wich is stored in the seminal vesicle, which is stored in the pelvis. For example: I received a vasectomy. They cut and clamped both of my vas deferens. I still cum just as I always have but without the sperm. ]
I never said anything in regards to a man having a vasectomy. I said a man can not cum (ejaculate), pee (through his cock), or fuck without his cock (penectomy). The seminal vesicle/gland is stored above the prostate, not in the pelvis.
A Clitoridectomy (although traumatic) allows a woman to still pee, have vaginal sex, and give birth.
[The labia minora at the entrance of the vagina have the greater vestibular glands (Bartholin glands) and lesser vestibular glands which produce mucous that aids in lubrication. When males are born, where are the testicals? Not in the scrotum. Testicals are housed in the scrotum, wich make spem. The overies store eggs or ovum. Did you take Sex Education class at a Catholic school? A woman's clit is a penis WITHOUT A URETHRA.]
The Bartholin gland aids in lubrication, thats it. Although the penis produces precum as well, it does contain sperm, the Bartholin gland does not. In addition, my wife had hers removed so I am more than familiar with what that is.
Fyi: You would be correct in stating that testes (male) have sperm, and the ovaries (female) have eggs.
[Men can lactate. Study up on fetal development and you will find I'm correct. If a man takes estrogen he will grow breasts, and taken long enough his penis will shrink to virtually nothing. What is it trying to turn into? A gear shift for a micro machine. ]
There has been documented cases of men lactating, I agree. And your point being?
Yes, IF he takes enough estrogen his "breasts" may grow, and his penis will get smaller, but disappear? I'm afraid not. Do some more research on that.
[If a woman takes testosterone for a prolonged period her clit will grow, not very big, but it will grow. During FTM SRS what do the docks turn into a cock? Try the enlarged clit. No wonder almost everyone loves the cock. Some only like innies and some like outies.]
Newsflash: There are currently numerous women with naturally huge clits, but guess what? Not ONE of those women can fuck another woman or man with it, urinate through it, or ejaculate through it. No need to take testosterone to realize that.
Long story short, without medical intervention (gender reassignment), and a whole lot of "IF's" a woman will never grow a fully functioning cock nor impregnate another woman. A man will never have a pussy, nor give birth to a c h i l d. We are not 'basically' the same. Of course once we add a whole lot of "IF's" , then anything is possible.
- If 'ifs'' was a spliff, we'd be all fucked up -
IF you actually took sex ed we wouldnt be chatting. Unless you got a severly edited edition. Search genital tubercle cycle. And if you still don't get it, you need help.
Lets go back further, we all start off as embryos. As a matter of fact, mammals, a n i ma ls and other species look alike until the development process is complete.
So, lets face facts and go by what IS.
A CLIT DOES NOT HAVE AN URETHRA, so it is not a penis nor will it ever be.
Plus, you seem so stuck on this ORGASM thing, I said EJACULATION not orgasm. Do YOU know the difference between the two??
If stating this helps you believe that STRAIGHT MEN LOVE INNIE COCK, then keep on believing it. Again, I'm stating what IS, not IF's.
By the way, you can keep your google searches to yourself, my experience goes way beyond "sex ed"
Even if a pencil is missing an eraser, it is still a pencil - cumdump 1:1
Besides all fetuses start out as female, so you can keep believing you have a dick.
Now he ASSumes where I get my information from. Whom are these 'people' you are referring to? Are you still talking about Catholicism?
Your claims are unfounded and I see now it helps you COPE. I have no respect for someone that tries to justify the way they are by implying men and women are the same due to a damn urethra. Everytime you make some lame ass statement, you change it up because it makes no damn sense.
Now you want to talk about a lighter in a car and pencils? A pencil missing an eraser is still a pencil, and a man missing his cock is still a man.
What you are speaking of is not 'stepping into the light', its ignorance, plain and simple. You can't accept FACTS because it would cause your little 'A CLIT IS A PENIS WITHOUT A URETHRA' world to crash.
As far as the fetus goes, I have no plans to discuss that with someone that confuses an orgasm with ejaculation. LOL
Just go to your local college and take a physiology class. Then you can argue your illogical point of view with the professor. But it might be a little hard for your alpha male ego, so you might want to stick to taking a paint-by-numbers class, it might help balance your personality and bring you inner peace.
Knowledge is power.
Also it would help you to read instead of skimming, as I didn't say that men and women were the same because of a urethra, even though both sexes have one.
Since I don't agree with your madness, you just ASSume I'm homophobic, when in fact YOU are heterophobic.
If you took what I said "I have no respect for someone that tries to justify the way they are by implying men and women are the same due to a damn urethra." as homophobic, you are indeed crazy.
I agree we are all BORN a certain way, thats a fact. YOU prefer to justify how you feel, or whatever it is, by sticking to -A clit is a penis WITHOUT a urethra, Key word "URETHRA,"-
I read every post, and only your silly ass comment 'defending' yourself made me say something. I did not attack, criticise, nor belittle GLBT's. I said YOUR statement was a bunch of crock, and it remains to be a fact.
Then YOU chose to hop around and get into medical terminology, chromosomes, and a fetus, all to prove what?
I can see now why no one else has jumped on your "CLIT IS A PENIS WITHOUT A URETHRA" band wagon. THAT is not a fact, that is YOUR perception.
By the way, you said your statement about the urethra and more. YOUR words from your post below:
[[Guys can lactate, the woman's clit is a penis without an urethra. Men and women have 46 chromosomes, 23 pairs and 22 are identical. A fetus has the same sex organ until the ninth week. Then it divides up from their, so essentially we are pretty much the same. ]]
At the end of the day, it does NOT have one. A vagina can never be a cock and vice versa, our growth does not stop at 9 weeks so we are not 'pretty much the same'. Hell, even when you die people are able to tell if you are a male or female by your bones.
Sorry CUMDUMP, I can't even begin to discuss human anatomy and genetics with a person that deals with what ISN'T. In my line of work, I can only deal with facts, not ifs.
Just as I figured. A heterophobe making ASSumptions. Nice to know you are checking up behind me to see what I do on this site. I feel honored and special.
CLEARLY you have made some ASSumptions based on your perception of things. I NEVER jumped you, nor your preference. I simply said your weak ass 'defense' about a womans clitoris and everyone being pretty much the same was a bunch of crock, and it still remains to be true.
I never brought up the bible or religion. Had I done so, my post would be similar to ShockENicks as well as others. I NEVER bashed you or any other gay/bi person on this site. Had I done that, do you seriously think the other gay/bi members on this site would have kept quiet?? And to accuse me of bashing ? Running? Fighting? WTF
My words were "we are all BORN a certain way", but you have been so scarred by religion and turned into a heterophobe, you don't see what I say, you only see what I did NOT say. Someone disagrees with you, and you perceive it as h at e.
You continually 'add on' and change what you say. Disprove science? All the information I gave you is based on the work scientist have accomplished. Honestly, there is nothing for me to lose or gain, and unlike you, I will not continue to change what I said.
As I said before, at the end of the day, we are not "pretty much the same".
If you are born a certain way SAY so and own up to it! Don't use the defense: [[ Give a guy estrogen and he will grow boobs, give a woman testosterone and she will grow hair and the voice will deepen. So who has the authority to bash gay. If you tongue a clit, you're licking a dick. If you're sucking on the labia, your sucking the scrotum. STRAIGHT MEN LOVE INNIE COCK]]
According to your ASSumptions, I'm just a homophobic, gaybashing, biblethumper anyway. Oh yeah, now I'm an atheist, who's scared of religion as well. A biblethumping atheist!
As for your continued jabs at religion? Like I said before, I was never the one to bring religion into this OR sexual orientation. THAT my friend, has been you.
So no, I have no intentions to 'take the bait' and turn this into a religious/homosexual argument. There's plenty of people on here that
I chose NOT to discuss ANY type of religion because that was irrelevant to our conversation. You wished to turn it into a religious debate, I did not.
So NOW you're confused as to why I don't want to discuss religion? Simply, as I have stated before, its YOUR issue, not mine.
As a matter of fact, the original poster never mentions religion either. And you really think this is about YOU? HONESTLY? I could've pissed you off with my first response if I was here just to "ruffle your peacock feathers"
Since you seem so intent on discussing religion, go for it. Exactly what is YOUR problem with religion? Feel free to start a new thread if you like
Please explain Sodom and Gomora? NOT bashing,but since you seem to have such a grasp on everything with your atheism then perhaps you could explain those things in a way that makes sense.
Oh, you can't because you are no longer here.
And, I was replying to 'rydell' here, who was asking the original poster here, 'bigone21', who's page clearly states he is in The Netherlands, if he lives "in the US".
you want to be mean? why? we (here in Europe) are gratefull for all the help we got! and still every year we remember the people that lost their lives in WW2 on our continent.
my daddy (born 1924) didn't surrender in three days, not even in FOUR YEARS, before he was captured by the SS in 1944 and sent to the concentrationcamp "Neuengamme".
like me, you were born after 1945. so don't talk about "us"! you didn't have anything to do with it, same as me (born 1964).
we shouldn't claim our fathers or grandfathers honour, because, in retrospect, the line between a coward and a hero can be small, and anyway, it's not ours because we weren't even born!
Maybe God didn't intend same sex relationships, but the fact that people are still being born gay or bi, suggests two things to me:
1)God doesn't care about our sexuality, if He did I'm sure he could fix it so that everyone is born straight.
2)There is no God.
How do you know God exist, well you're saying that science states that we were evolved from monkey or ape then why are there apes that didn't evolve.
Scientist only believe on things that they came see and science has its correct answers and wrong answers. Example;the ways in human is structured. Science is correct about all of the but the part where science is incorrect is things that are beyond our reach, like space. Example how was the universe created. Scientist believe which make them not certain, that there was a big bang and the planets and stars and galazys just came out of nowhere and were placed in the right order as you see now. Something or someone had to have the power to do all of that but science can't prove that he's real.
You were not born gay or Bi, we were born in sin with evil in our hearts and being gay is a sin against God.
As for blacks getting rights...what rights do they not have that others are upset that they are getting? Last I checked they can eat anywhere they want, sit on the bus anywhere they want, get a job anywhere they want, go to college anywhere they want, vote for anyone they want, shop anywhere they want and buy anything they want, live anywhere they want...what new rights have they gotten that white people are upset they are getting?
As a side note, have you Americans noticed yet that since you elected an African-American President, anti-American sentiment is no longer as widespread in the rest of the world. A few more rational and progressive changes - gun laws, gay marriage, learning that there's a whole world outside of your borders, etc and your image might even improve further. I'm not suggesting Australia's any better, by the way, as i said in my comment in this thread: stupidity/ignorance/xenophobia are not nationality/ethnicity/all other sub-groups of society exclusive.
As for the OP saying "historically", so what? Are you suggesting that anti-black rights sentiments from 200 years ago are relevant now? Maybe you didn't notice, but we elected a black president TWICE. The OP may have used "historically", but his goal was to create a discussion about now , so using anti-black aspects from 100 or more years before I was even borrn to justify some pseudo-racist sentiment now is anti-intellectual.
You are 39, so, born in 1972 or 1973. And you think it's anti-intellectual to have some regard to the fact that american was VERY racist in the 100 years before you were born?
One way or another, americans might THINK they are not racist, but if one has a look at the composition of jail-inmates, everyone from outerspace knows better at first view...
HUH??? Just because the guy is black doesn't mean he is any different than the rest of the criminal pieces of excrement that hold the reins in Washington DC. This guy is every bit the warmonger and liar that Bush was. In some ways, he's even worse, because of the blatantly false marketing that put him in office. I find it hard to believe our world standing has improved. I believe it is the exact opposite. We are at war in more places since he took office, his drone murders are loathed far and wide, we are still rendering and torturing, and he regularly spits on the rule of law, such as hgis ciontention that the courts need not be involved if the Executive decides to assasinate an American citizen, or anyone else. And he is an utter and complete fraud as it applies to his infamous "Cairo Speech". He wimped out on bringing Israel to heel, and he anfd Kerry are working on betraying the Palestinians. He won't sign off on banning cluster bombs and landmines, and his fear mongering about Iran's supposed "nuclear weapons program" is just as disingenuous as Bush's garbage about Saddam's WMDs. This is how you improve yopur credibility with the global community???? Hardly.
It's not a human right that should be protected by government. Basically it's a contract. And as a contract it can be made willingly between any count of adult people of any sex. Why the fuck it's regulated? The only thing that should be regulated in it is that people who make it do this willingly, not forced to.
As for the minorities, the right question that you should be asking is: do they fight for the rights or for the privileges? Most minorities these days do not fight for the rights, they have all the rights already. They get privileges. Which usually violates other people's rights. Like when they select students in universities not on their knowledge but on their skin color which violates rights of people who are smarter and studied harder. When something is given to people who did not earn it, it's usually taken from someone who actually earned it. That is the reason why you should be worried.
Modern western society is screwed today. If you belong to some minority for some reason people think it's OK for you to demand some privileges. If you are white straight man - you belong to the majority. That means you have no rights to demand privileges and lose to those who belong to minorities. Which means you are screwed.
For the record: Personally I don't care. Most of the time I do not live in western world anyway.
Your other points are very interesting and to the point, a voice I have never heard from you in my roughly two years here.
Again, why?
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Been 15 years tho!..(with my missis!)
Let me TRY to explain, (in a language that is not mine, if we could change to Dutch, you're welcome!)
The government regulates the rules about what consequences of a (marriage-)contract by two parties (my bf and I) are to be submitted by THIRD parties: pension-funds; hospitals; legal consequences and of cours, the government itself.
If governement does NOT regulate this, and verify our contract, I could be in the situation that if my bf has a car accident and is in a coma, I have no say about his medication or therapy, might loose custody over an eventual c h i l d, and if he dies, loose his pension.
Heterosexual marriage regulates all that, and that is just what gays also want from marriage! Not please ask... WANT!!
Because: have you ever seen a contract between two parties (buy a house, lease a car etc.) and the consequences of that contract are different for men and women?
And all that is not a privilage asked for or taken away from somebody else, that's same situation / same rights!
P.S.: You forgot Australia.
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Any straight person who gives an iota of a flying fuck whether or not gay people marry each other is tweaked. Gay people are gay and aren't going to produce **** regardless of whether they are married to a same sex partner or not - so if this is the only rationale behind not legalising same sex marriage, i'm surprised it's not already legal everywhere in the Western World (but i'm not really surprised at all, because as i said above: 95% stupid/ignorant/xenophobic; religious and hyper-moralistic nutcases...)
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