Hm Queen Elizabeth 2..

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By bella! at 25,Sep,22 20:19 other posts of bella!

This is a question specifically about Queen Elizabeth II, it is a question about titles.

Are you able to explain why Queen Elizabeth II husband, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was just a prince yet when Prince Charles ascended to the throne and became King Charles III, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, became Queen Consort?

By DJS at 26,Sep,22 05:37 other posts of DJS

Quite simple really bella
Royal tradition which dictates that women do not transfer their Royal titles to their husband.
So the Queen needed to make sure the public recognised her authority as the Head of State.& not him..

By routemaster at 30,Sep,22 06:01 other posts of routemaster

Quite correct. Elizabeth II only became Queen because she had no brothers, in 1952 the law dictated that had she had a brother even if he was younger than her, then he would have become King as men had precedence over women in those days. But since she had no brothers, she therefore became Queen in her own right with Philip as her Consort, exactly the same as Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. Of course, if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated in 1937 and had had children, the line would have gone on through him and Elizabeth would have just been another minor Royal as would her father who never expected to be King as George V1 but had to take over from his brother. We shall never see a Queen as Monarch again, not in our lifetime anyway, as after Charles III, William will become King presumably as William V and then his son will become King, presumably as George VII.

By DJS at 30,Sep,22 11:12 other posts of DJS

Yeah,seems abit weird that all those yes she reigned,most people born today will only see a male as king,

By bella! at 11,Sep,22 13:09 other posts of bella!

DJS , has there been anything reported on what the cause of death was? Just two days prior to her death she was shown meeting/greeting Prime Minister Liz Truss. Yes, she looked frail but who would ever imagine she would be gone in 48 hours?

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 13:29 other posts of DJS

No nothing been reported has yet bella,and with it being short period of time I personally dont think they will,but could be completely wrong,that last pic most people commented on her hand being bruised,some doctor said it was through lack of oxygen,but only her doctors could confirm this,Think it was earlier this year rumours saying she had a stroke,but again no one confirmed it,

By bella! at 12,Sep,22 15:13 other posts of bella!

Thank you. And in the event that information is provided, I do hope you will update all of us.

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 16:30 other posts of DJS

Just looked up prince Philip's cause of death seems old age was put on the death certificate,so I presume the Queens will be the same..

By bella! at 12,Sep,22 18:13 other posts of bella!

If you're "lucky", old age happens. It just seems so odd that QE2 was up, dressed and smiling on Tuesday and gone two days later.

By the way, thank you for that information, DJS.

By DJS at 13,Sep,22 06:25 other posts of DJS

Think also earlier this year she suppose to have contracted covid,like millions of others(might have took its toll)
Like you've stated others have said the same thing,ok she looked frail(but she hasn't been seen as regular has were use to),missed events on quite a few things that close to her,

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 16:31 other posts of DJS

Just looked up prince Philip's cause of death seems old age was put on the death certificate,so I presume the Queen will be the same..bella

By tecsan at 13,Sep,22 06:58 other posts of tecsan

Try old age. Sad to say though, she was always spry.

By DJS at 13,Sep,22 15:10 other posts of DJS

She sure was,she was probably fitter than me at her age than mine is now

By routemaster at 21,Sep,22 07:14 other posts of routemaster

Perhaps it was meeting that gormless bitch Truss that did for her, the Wicked Witch of the West Mark 2.

By DJS at 21,Sep,22 08:36 other posts of DJS

Yep boris & truss in a day,can take its toll on anybody😂,I stated previously boris & his crew took the piss,pissing it up at number 10,but his eulogy compared to hers was chalk & cheese,hers was just like reading a menu, cold and no attachment,

By routemaster at 22,Sep,22 08:58 other posts of routemaster

Like all members of the loathsome Tories, the lights are on but no-one's at home.

By DJS at 22,Sep,22 13:30 other posts of DJS

😂..used this old phrase many a time,mate which is spot on👏👏

By routemaster at 30,Sep,22 06:06 other posts of routemaster

After this week and its refusal to listen to sense, that loathsome vile and downright nasty Truss woman (who thinks its fair that her millionaire toff friends benefit from her rotten tax cuts while the rest of us go to hell in a handcart, typical Tory doctrine) could end up being the shortest serving prime minister not only in living memory but of all time. With any luck.

By DJS at 29,Sep,22 19:20 other posts of DJS

Officially been reported bella that her HM did die from old age,but also reported she died earlier the when the news came out..
Queen Elizabeth II died of "old age", according to her death certificate, which has been released by the National Records of Scotland.

The certificate records the Queen died at 15:10 on 8 September in Balmoral Castle, at the age of 96.
The advice from coroners is that "old age" can be given as the sole cause of death in some "very limited circumstances".

This would be where the certifying doctor has personally cared for someone over a long period; where a "gradual decline" has been observed and where a doctor is not aware of "any identifiable disease or
injury" contributing to a death.

By bella! at 29,Sep,22 20:10 other posts of bella!

Thank you, DJS, thank you.

I listened to something on YouTube with regard to death taking place in Scotland.
If memory serves me correctly, I understood that if you die in Scotland, cause of death would have to be determined and paperwork filed within a certain amount of days. Had HM Queen Elizabeth II died elsewhere in the UK, cause of death might never be known.

By DJS at 30,Sep,22 05:33 other posts of DJS

Not sure about Scottish law bella,but going back to Philips death,think he died in England,and had the same outcome died of old age,
Also time of death & when the news broke( has I said previously newsreaders sort of give it away everyone changed to wearing black) was almost 3hrs but there saying it was till her family got to her, which by reports some didn't arrive in time,

By Dev01 at 30,Sep,22 07:05 other posts of Dev01

By phart at 19,Sep,22 17:14 other posts of phart

well at least after today the poor woman will be able to rest. she has been paraded around for 10 days now.

By Ananas2xLekker at 19,Sep,22 17:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Yes, I agree that they have been lugging her around way too much.
I don't know if it's all protocol or if they are exaggerating to maximize her positive effect
on the monarchy, because they fear it's decline. However, she has been devoted to the institution all her life, so I think she would be OK to add to the popularity of the monarchy a bit more. It's not like she's doing any work now and her future is quite uneventful.

By phart at 19,Sep,22 23:22 other posts of phart

I don't mean to be the "debbie downer" but really 10 days? the family has been on camera the whole time.I bet someone got Charlys first shit as king on tape.
Time to ditch that crap.
Charly is worth 2 BILLION dollars now. Any expenses for his living requirement should come out of that instead of the taxes the citizens pay.

By Dev01 at 19,Sep,22 23:34 other posts of Dev01

Regardless of you're hypothesis, Show a little fuckin respect or maybe post your feelings in your thread.... Just saying....Sheesh 🙄

By phart at 20,Sep,22 02:12 other posts of phart

By Dev01 at 20,Sep,22 02:19 other posts of Dev01

Oh fuck off... She probably didn't want Mr Bidet there anyways. Rather theatrical your point is mute. Hence and you have your own thread like anus on life matters.

America paid for 400 secret police. For him being there..... Not The Queen ...was not protected by Bidets onterage. lol

It's called the MI5... Think it has updated to MI6..

No funds were paid by the UK to America for her safe passage.

Black lives matters has nothing to do with this.... Google and links can be your own worst enemy.

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see, or just become a Sheep and count bodies to the rythem of war drums

By Dev01 at 20,Sep,22 02:32 other posts of Dev01

Is that what they call... Redacted...

By Dev01 at 20,Sep,22 02:34 other posts of Dev01

Why take your statement back???

By phart at 20,Sep,22 03:25 other posts of phart

I posted it on my thread as soon as I realized that perhaps I was a bit over the top.

By DJS at 20,Sep,22 08:15 other posts of DJS

👏

By leopoldij at 20,Sep,22 00:10 other posts of leopoldij

I agree with you on that.

By Ananas2xLekker at 20,Sep,22 20:16 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Come on, those royals have it pretty easy and never have to do a day of hard work in their lives. I'm not going to feel sorry, if they do their job, even in death. They make enough money for doing it. By the way, the monarchy of the UK actually sell so much shit to tourists, that it makes a profit for the taxpayer. It's also a part of the heritage and culture of the people, that makes them happier citizens. I know that you prefer everyone to be overburdened worker drones, fighting their depression with mindless consumerism, but some cultures like to associate with their mascots as a distraction.

Two billion is a lot, but if you compare that with the wealthy in the US, many of whom acquired that wealth by selling cigarettes, unhealthy drinks or unhealthy food, or by scamming customers or just by crushing the competition and creating monopolies,
by exploiting their workers and bribing politicians, it's not that much money and it's
not that damaging to society.

By Dev01 at 20,Sep,22 21:55 other posts of Dev01

Her passing has jack shit to do with your rhetorical spin on politics.

Try iknoweverything.org where you can politicize everything from why some have a hairy ass to stinky wristwatch bands.

This is NOT a political thread ya fuckin monkey 🐒🐵

By DJS at 21,Sep,22 09:10 other posts of DJS

Politicalize everything makes me think,like these cunt who are never of their phones,24/7..they must do it when there having sex,Its the most important thing in their sad lives,

By Dev01 at 21,Sep,22 09:32 other posts of Dev01

100% my friend

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,22 10:19 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

It is political, if phart thinks royals acquiring $28 billion over hundreds of years of history, is worse than someone with some good ideas and a lot of luck, who made 10x more, in a decade, by making crazy profits from just selling stuff, by exploiting employees, the supply-chain, the tax-system and the consumer by destroying the competition and then jacking up prices.

But at least you are consistent and you reprimanded phart for making it political too.
I apologize for taking the bait and running with it. No more politics in my posts in this topic about the queen, I promise. (Only if the queen pops up in other topics)

I really did like and respect the Queen though. She was great!

By DJS at 21,Sep,22 11:02 other posts of DJS

28b,ffs,let me guess Google lol,for fking years,these rich list come out suggesting what the famous wealthy amass,they've been so far off what actually they are worth,but your 2nd take,isn't that capitalizem,which the few say it's good for everyone as it drips down the food chain,yet only the elites believe that,whilst the Queen was in the elite,it wasn't for her wealth it's more to do with her diplomacy & respect,

By Ananas2xLekker at 21,Sep,22 12:25 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Sure, google. I spend about 5 seconds on that.
But, if you have good information about their wealth being more (or less),
I would be interested. I didn't even check if Charly is actually worth 2 BILLION dollars. Maybe he does, maybe not. I would want it to be 100% transparent though.

The amount of money the monarch has is less important than how they got it and what they are doing with it, to me. I care about how much 'drips down the food chain' and how the cake is shared between all the people involved in baking it.
But let me not make it too political, because I promised not to.

Sure, if the Queen isn't the elite, than who is?

If one of your powers is giving people titles of nobility,... you might be an elite.

By Dev01 at 21,Sep,22 22:23 other posts of Dev01

Blah blah. You need to join CNN chat, Not here.

It's like when you die, people ain't worried about your net worth..... And there would be a reason for that. just the fuckin idiot you are. So you would be remembered I guess.

Better a smartass than a dumb cunt.

At least when I stare at the sun I get a result. Listening to your wrongaganda is like broken record. White fuckin noise... Fuckin keyboard correspondent

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By DJS at 22,Sep,22 05:43 other posts of DJS

Just 1 instant Paul McCartney was to be worth 1.2b by all these so called rich list,in his divorce settlement it came to 600m,so less than haif what was always reported..pick a number & double it,seems to get more clicks and people believe what they see🤑

By Dev01 at 22,Sep,22 06:33 other posts of Dev01

By Ananas2xLekker at 22,Sep,22 18:37 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Have you not noticed CNN is getting a lot more conservative these days?
They would never hire a socialist like me, only corporate neo-liberals.
I am only worried about people's net worth, when they got it from exploitation.
I'm surprised that this post annoyed you that much, I was much less outspoken than usual.

By Dev01 at 22,Sep,22 20:04 other posts of Dev01

It's all good, I have vented and feel better. I will forget the honey badger and Lego brick thing, But Beiber stays as is

By mr_blue at 22,Sep,22 20:25 other posts of mr_blue

By phart at 23,Sep,22 01:40 other posts of phart

I am sorry if I got out of line on this particular thread.
may the Mechanic-Queen rest in peace.

By #610414 at 22,Sep,22 12:50

Phart, as usual, you are way out of line. Wrong in your attitude and wrong about the subject.

By phart at 22,Sep,22 14:11 other posts of phart

As usual you accuse someone that mentions the Untalked about issues surrounding something of being wrong about it.
The fact that this funeral was very costly for The US tax payers and we should not have had to foot the bill for 400 secret service to cover for your "leader" to be 1 of the very few world leaders to use his own car,while the rest rode a bus may offend you,but the the fact is,it was STUPID and unessasary

By #610414 at 22,Sep,22 14:18

This is not for this thread. Go to my thread and repost

By phart at 22,Sep,22 14:28 other posts of phart

thats ok,you got the message.

By DJS at 23,Sep,22 05:47 other posts of DJS

I might be wrong but it seems people in the usa like the Queen very much indeed,has did every president she ever met,probably the only cost to you is airforce 1 & its escorts,same as the cost of HM funeral( once again some people question it)
But all people taking part in the procession would off been getting paid anyway military police ambulances etc. Just like USA personnel involved.
Sometimes I think the USA overkill protection,but as far way back as I can remember its been like that always,
Seeing that the UK is suppose to be USA closes allies,the people who run the presidential budget,put in place what they deemed sufficient for the president to come overhere to pay respects to HM..

By phart at 23,Sep,22 14:34 other posts of phart

I think the Kennedy thing is what changed how the president is protected.

By DJS at 21,Sep,22 09:01 other posts of DJS

well at least after today the poor woman will be able to rest. she has been paraded around for 10 days now.

Yes, I agree that they have been lugging her around way too much.
I don't know if it's all protocol or if they are exaggerating to maximize her positive effect
on the monarchy, because they fear it's decline. However, she has been devoted to the institution all her life, so I think she would be OK to add to the popularity of the monarchy a bit more. It's not like she's doing any work now and her future is quite uneventful.

PARADED Operations London Bridge/ Operation Unicorn,,unicorn took preference seeing she died in Scotland,preparations in place to transfer her to England via northolt then to the palace were she lay in state,till her funeral..
So as for parading/lugging her around,is completely BS,

By DJS at 19,Sep,22 06:55 other posts of DJS

Estimated 500k payed their respect to her majesty 👏,plus one knobhead🖕

By Dev01 at 19,Sep,22 07:09 other posts of Dev01

There always has to be one

. What an amazing turnout and very fitting

By DJS at 19,Sep,22 07:51 other posts of DJS

sure was mate,estimated 2.5million will be in London today for the funeral,

By bella! at 19,Sep,22 07:19 other posts of bella!

A knobhead? Who was that and/or what happened?

By DJS at 19,Sep,22 07:54 other posts of DJS

He tried to take the flag(the royal standard) of the coffin or he tried to look under it raising the flag,but got brought down very swiftly by the police,

By Dev01 at 19,Sep,22 20:16 other posts of Dev01

What a Ceremony....Have never seen anything like it, and highly doubt I ever will in my lifetime.... I'm speechless

By bella! at 20,Sep,22 07:56 other posts of bella!

It's UNBELIEVABLE the number of people that stood for 12 to 14 hours in a line that was miles long, in order to pass a flag draped coffin.

Losing a parent or grandparent is emotionally difficult for so many people however losing a parent or grandparent that was a public figure like that of Queen Elizabeth II and having your grief put on public display has to be super rough!

By DJS at 20,Sep,22 08:00 other posts of DJS

So true,it was very poignant for me as I only buried my mam a few weeks ago,but to do it in front of billions i cant imagine going through that,what her family were feeling..

By bella! at 20,Sep,22 08:14 other posts of bella!

I am so sorry to hear of your loss.

By DJS at 20,Sep,22 08:18 other posts of DJS

Thank you bella

By DJS at 20,Sep,22 08:07 other posts of DJS

It certainly was mate,there were things I remember for ever,the lone bag piper how he slowly drifted put of view while the pipes faded so naturally,the coffin bearers the pressure on them was immense,the whole military taken part was pure class & precision,then the Windsor part were HM corgis were waiting on the steps for her,Yes it was a one in a live time experience for those taking part & those who just watched it.

By DJS at 20,Sep,22 08:17 other posts of DJS

Depends how long Charles last after all th miles walking behind her coffin,

By routemaster at 18,Sep,22 06:17 other posts of routemaster

Thank you, DJS, for posting this.

By DJS at 18,Sep,22 06:53 other posts of DJS

My pleasure routemaster

And also a lovely written piece above by you mate

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By bella! at 15,Sep,22 17:51 other posts of bella!

Hello DJS , I've watched lines of mourners filing past the Queen's coffin at Westminster Hall. Some men wearing suits and ties, some mourners stop to say a quick prayer, some women doing a proper curtsy, some people with physical limitations, people of all ages and from all walks of life. Your Queen was loved by her people and revered by people all around the world. Her passing is a profound loss felt by many.

By DJS at 17,Sep,22 06:44 other posts of DJS

Yeah its seems so bella,the que at present is 24hr to file past the coffin and pay respects,people from parts of the uk are travelling to London,train services put on extra trains to accommodate them,think it works out just over 2.5k people a hour file past her,So yes I agree with your assessment seem she was a very popular lady,within the public,

By routemaster at 18,Sep,22 06:16 other posts of routemaster

Indeed she was revered, bella. I was away in Scotland with friends and had just got back to Fort William on the Jacobite steam train when the news of her passing was announced on the information boards at the station. An audible gasp went up from everyone, OK she was 96 and flesh and blood like the rest of us but having reigned for so long, we all came to think of her as immortal. At least she survived to celebrate her Platinum Jubilee only 3 months ago but, having to bow out of some public appearances during those celebrations, I think she and us all knew the end was approaching. I shall never forget her lovely smile. In Glasgow last Thursday, I was present at a gathering when Princess Anne attended to adnire the floral tributes to her mother and then, just as the new King Charles III did, walked along the line of people to talk to some of them, I wasn't in the front so didn't receive that privelge. I would have liked to have joined the queue to walk past the Queen lying-in-state when I got home to London but with the severe arthritis in my legs now, I couldn't have stood for 14 hours, alas. I shall watch the state funeral on t.v. tomorrow. RIP.

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By routemaster at 18,Sep,22 06:24 other posts of routemaster

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By phart at 12,Sep,22 14:40 other posts of phart

With all due respect to the lady and the job she did, why are they waiting so long to put her to rest? It is time to move on.

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 14:54 other posts of DJS

Simple mate,Tradition,The country now enters an official period of mourning that continues until after the queen's funeral, which is expected to take place 10 days after her death and be a public holiday. And to put that into perspective people are queueing up today to she her in state(walk past her coffin)there be literal hundreds of thousands arriving in London for this,

By JustANormalGuy at 11,Sep,22 10:01 other posts of JustANormalGuy

Like, as I am sure, for many people in the UK, the passing of Queen Elizabeth II was a moment of deep reflection. She was the Queen for the entirety of my life.

To me (as to very many I am again sure) she represented the very best of Britain, unstinting and unwavering in carrying out her public duties. The photo's of her sitting alone at her husband's funeral were particularly moving - in a time of Covid and restrictions on everybodies lives, she would not break the rules even in a moment of great personal grief. Instead, she chose to and demonstrated by example the 'right' way to behave.

In some ways she represented a Britain of the past and values of decency that are far less evident across society than they were. In this sense, with her passing we are all diminished.

Yesterday, at the cricket we heard for the first time in most of our lives 'God Save the King'

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 13:39 other posts of DJS

Excellent post

By Andthisisme at 08,Sep,22 15:16 other posts of Andthisisme

I am not at all convinced by the speculation that she may already have passed away but the messaging does seem to be indicating that the end may be near.
The majority of people living in the UK today have only ever known one monarch Queen Elizabeth II.
Whatever you view on monarchies she has been the most incredible Head of State and not put one foot out of place throughout her long reign.
When she does eventually pass away it really will be the end of an era.

By DJS at 08,Sep,22 15:33 other posts of DJS

A mate,was home today watch tv,he said parliament,were notified in the correct protocol,PM,opposition leader being told,he said everyone looked devastated
I agree with your sentiments but I dont think it be just the UK but around the world have ever known HM in their lifetime

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 15:51

I was born the previous year 1952) to her coronation.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 16:40

Ooops, a foot out of place:

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By kebmo at 08,Sep,22 16:53 other posts of kebmo

Take note that the article was dated November 2017. My question is this: is it illegal or just morally wrong?

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 16:59

Morally wrong. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that wealthy, powerful, individuals think "normal" rules don't apply to them but it does stick in the throat when those with the broadest shoulders STILL find ways to avoid paying their fair share.

If we're then, also, supposed to admire and venerate them - you'll have to excuse this Brit.

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 17:45

Come on guys, save it for a more appropriate time.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 17:49

There will be an avalanche of gushing about her, but I cry bullshit. Sad that a family has lost their matriarch but it's no more tragic than any other old lady dying.

I would have thought that someone from a Nation that threw off the yoke of Royal rule would be less myopic. Do you really think that EVERYONE in the UK feels like they've lost a family member today? I never met the woman and, frankly, my life is unaffected by her passing.

The only royal news I want to hear is that the monarchy has been abolished. The chink of light is that, now someone who undoubtedly had a sense of public service has died, people will see that the Institution itself is rotten to the core. I strongly suspect that dim-witted Charles will help that cause.

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 18:06

This from someone that posted this?

Seriously, man. How does it feel when reasonable, intelligent members of this community point out that you lack compassion, lack empathy, are racist and fucking stupid?

Does it even make you pause for a second and wonder whether you've got it wrong?

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 18:17

I've paused, thought about it, and I still see no reason not to exercise the right to air my opinions. They're not unfounded, as you can hopefully see.

By leopoldij at 08,Sep,22 18:56 other posts of leopoldij

I think that what you're saying is that all lives are (should be) equal. And that many deaths go unnoticed and that millions of people die unjustly and on horrible conditions. But the death of a monarch is like the death of a god, because people feel they lost something that was connected to them. If you think logically you should conclude that's no biggy but if you take into account all these other factors, myths, religion, stories, symbolism, then it's the opposite. That's the role of monarchy. To provide some kind of secular religion because the majority of people need it. If people were able to argue and live without emotions then monarchy wouldn't exist. So, it's natural for people to feel sad. They're conditioned to feel so.

By phart at 08,Sep,22 21:30 other posts of phart

thanks Cat,I will even capitalize the C on this response!

By phart at 08,Sep,22 21:28 other posts of phart

I know the family is suffereing a loss but 96 years,she had a good run,more than most of us will ever have a chance at. bUt brave, You make it seem as though the UK just lost a tourist attraction?
seriously though,I have often said I see no need for all that royalty stuff,has no real power,all just glitz and glamour and the parliment does all the work.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 21:37

I THINK your gibberish is trying to say that I'm making light of a death. I THINK you then go on to agree with me, that Royalty is an outdated concept.

For the first point: yeah, I probably am. Her dying is no more tragic than your Mom dying. All this shite about her being godlike makes me want to weep.

For the second: even a broken clock is right twice a day.

By phart at 09,Sep,22 00:39 other posts of phart

Eye THINK your gibberish is trying to say we may actually sorda agree on 1 point?

By bella! at 08,Sep,22 18:36 other posts of bella!

That article was written 5 years ago. Were taxes paid, does the royal family ever pay taxes?

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 18:40

Here's a good starting point. Hold your nose though, because (imo) it stinks:

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By DJS at 11,Sep,22 07:38 other posts of DJS

I see the sub-headline says The Queen of England (allegedly) stashed her money in tax-free havens abroad.Umm,not like the labour party and its MPS,are not to forth coming pay its tax,(oh sorry tax avoidance),the party off the people.They all piss in the same pot..
The difference between HM & them they were voted in by the people of the UK,yet still screw them,Yet Blair & the party had media adverts ask working class folk,to grass someone up who delivering pizzas for cash in hand,whilst individuals & big corporations get a free reign..

By #666999 at 11,Sep,22 11:03

Semi-literate rambling with no sources for any of your allegations. Not that I don't have some sympathy for some of your points.

Nevertheless, it's classic "whataboutism", (and excludes other political parties, who are just as venal) so fuck off.

By DJS at 12,Sep,22 13:21 other posts of DJS

Ohhhhh,here 1 better you fuck off & when you get there fuck off some more,see where am going with this????

By bella! at 08,Sep,22 17:40 other posts of bella!

It has been reported that Queen Elizabeth II is dead at the age of 96.

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Sep,22 18:12 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

We just saw it on the news too. She devoted her life to serving the institution of the monarchy. She has always been of impeccable behavior, consistently neutral and has aspired to be the unifying factor in a divided kingdom. The only excesses she allowed herself were some rare little jokes and an appearance in a James Bond movie once.
Praise the queen, for her life long dedication.

By bella! at 08,Sep,22 18:24 other posts of bella!

What is so unique about countries with kings, queens, princes and princesses, they are merely figureheads. I wonder whether their people are truly happy with supporting a monarchy or whether they would be happy to see dissolution?

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 19:10

In the UK, to gently correct you, the Monarch is not merely a figurehead. All Acts of Parliament need Royal Assent and the King is head of the ESTABLISHED Church of England. In other words: we not only live in a Monarchy, we also (like Iran) live in a Theocracy.

True that a lot of it has become symbolic and the Monarch rarely exercises all the powers he/she has. But he/she still has those powers.

All polls tend to show I'm in a minority. Hey ho!

By bella! at 08,Sep,22 19:16 other posts of bella!

My apologies, thank you for enlightening me.

By JustANormalGuy at 11,Sep,22 13:49 other posts of JustANormalGuy

You are technically correct. The convention - historically it was initially established by government refusing to finance the monarchy - is that these powers are never exercised and are, certainly in 2022, purely protocol and formalities

By #666999 at 11,Sep,22 14:29

I'd like to see your sources that back up your assertions.

"Purely protocol and formalities" leaves a shitload of wriggle room if the shit ever really hits the fan. You don't mention The Privy Council, Royal Commissions, Prerogative powers, appointments of Prime Ministers (remember Lord Melbourne?), proroguing Parliament, Lascelles Principles, Royal Assent, Sovereign Immunity and all the other anachronistic bollocks that reminds us all that we are NOT citizens, we ARE subjects.

By JustANormalGuy at 11,Sep,22 14:34 other posts of JustANormalGuy

With all due respect, I am not here to have arguments on the internet. None of these things have any substantial effect whatsoever on our lives.

By #666999 at 11,Sep,22 14:49

Sounds a bit like "I posted something without checking that it's accurate".

If you want a "modern" example of how Royalty can trump democratically-elected representatives, check out the 1975 affair below:

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I would argue that what type of Nation you live in does, or at least can, have a massive effect on our lives. I'd prefer a Republic, if you hadn't already guessed. The current hagiography surrounding the House of Saxe Cobourg Gotha (or Windsor, if you prefer) does not sit easily with me.

By JustANormalGuy at 12,Sep,22 10:44 other posts of JustANormalGuy

That's fine, and no argument. I an easily understand people preferring a republic. The reason I don't really care is simply that I don't think it has any impact on our lives. Plenty of other things do affect our lives, so I'll choose to fight on those fronts.

By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Sep,22 18:34 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Our King Willem-Alexander mostly has a ceremonial function, but according to the Constitution, he is a member of the government along with the ministers.
The King consults weekly with the Prime Minister and regularly speaks with ministers and state secretaries. The King signs all laws and royal decrees and ratifies international treaties. The Constitution provides that the King appoints and dismisses ministers and secretaries of state and that they are sworn in before the head of state. By virtue of this constitutional role and at the request of the House of Representatives, the head of state can be regularly informed about the state of affairs during cabinet formations. The King is formally chairman of the Council of State. This presidency has grown historically and is ceremonial in nature. He delivers the Speech from the Throne on Prince's Day.

Unlike most socialists, I'm not in favor of ending our monarchy. Some members of the Socialist Party would like to have a referendum about the continuation of the monarchy or have an election for who should be the head of state. They realize that our monarchy would most likely be continued and that Willem-Alexander would probably win the election in a massive landslide over anyone else (except Maxima), but they would be fine with that, because for them it's just the democratic principle that counts.
Personally, I like it that our King is the head of state and that the Prime Minister has to answer to him. Our Queens and King of my lifetime have always been neutral and objective and honestly concerned with the people. They have never been openly critical of the government, but it has been revealed that they have corrected Prime Ministers of the past, when they were prioritizing party politics over unity or their own popularity over doing what was necessary.

Our king has made some mistakes, like going on vacation to Greece during the pandemic. He had to go deep in his apologies. I see he now has a favorability score
of 44%, which is much lower than a while ago. Queen Maxima is still more popular,
like she has always been, but she has declined in popularity a bit too, from the same mistakes. Still 57% of Dutch people support the monarchy. I'm one of them, but mostly because I prefer it over the alternatives.

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 22:26 other posts of bella!

Thank you for sharing that information with me as well as anyone else that reads your post. 👍

By Ananas2xLekker at 09,Sep,22 23:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

You're welcome!

By CountryCouple54 at 10,Sep,22 01:20 other posts of CountryCouple54

She was the definition of a loyal, loving, extraordinary, caring, strong willed woman and Queen. She was and always will be an inspiration for women and all people. You won't find many who had anything bad to say about her. She was the perfect Queen. And to think she took the throne at age 25. Incredible life she had and gave.

By bella! at 11,Sep,22 01:10 other posts of bella!

France's President Macron paid condolences to the United Kingdom with the passing his of Queen Elizabeth II. I especially liked his closing words; "To you, she was your Queen. To us, she was the Queen."

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And with that said, I believe that is the way the world viewed Queen Elizabeth II.

By DJS at 11,Sep,22 09:34 other posts of DJS

Beautiful speech by him,funny really seeing they did away with their royalty,but just shows you how respected she..

By #666999 at 11,Sep,22 11:07

And this shows you how disrespected she was, by some. Spare me this hegemony of grief.

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By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 15:16

I hope it's not true. Queen Elizabeth is an extraordinary woman and ruler. She would be extremely missed and an era would end. My prayers are for her today.

By DJS at 08,Sep,22 15:35 other posts of DJS

So true,country before anything else and done so superb for 70yrs

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 15:49

It's rare for people to dedicate their lives to God and country. She did the best for her people. An example to all of us.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 16:26

It's sad for any family when they lose a relative, but spare me the hearts and flowers. She's a tax-dodger and any Nation with a Royal Family deserves to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.

German family anyway (oh, the irony) who changed their name during World War 1. House of Windsor, my arse - House of Saxe Cobourg Gotha.

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 17:55

Let me get this right, and as not s Brit, maybe I got it wrong, but didn't her father stayed in London during the Bliyz and encouraged the British to hang on and fight? And how German is her family after over a century of being Btitish?
As I said,"I'm not a Brit" but, she was there to serve BECAUSE you Brits wanted her to, and she dedicate her life to you. No one stays in the public eye for the 90 some years of her life without some pecadillos but, when you add it up, she was good. May she rest in peace.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 18:15

The WW2 story is a little more complicated than that.

Put it this way (and I mean no disrespect to a dead old queen): if her Uncle hadn't fallen for an American divorcee we would, in all likelihood, had surrendered to the Nazis. He was a fascist, Hitler-sympathiser and should have been tried for treason for what he did during WW2.

Alternatively, imagine Charles had died as a toddler. Then we would have Andrew (the ****phile befriender) as our next King.

See anything wrong with a hereditary monarchy yet? At least you lot get to choose your Head of State.

We didn't "want" her to serve. We had no fucking choice. I'll leave it there, but reserve the right to challenge any further hagiography.

By leopoldij at 08,Sep,22 19:01 other posts of leopoldij

You're right, logically speaking. But it's a fallacy that we get to choose the prime minister. Don't forget the role that money and business play. I don't know what's worse: to have someone be a leader because of an accident of birth or to have someone be a leader because (s)he has money or obtained money from companies or that he's being supported by a few super-rich? I'm not sure.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 19:13

Big difference: Politics is (we would hope) reformable. A Monarchy ALWAYS passes power down through a family tree, with little or no "choice" being exercised.

I'm excluding losing the Crown through battles, which is pretty rare these days!

By Ananas2xLekker at 08,Sep,22 19:10 other posts of Ananas2xLekker

Having a ****phile befriender as your next King would be horrible, but in a hereditary monarchy the people have no voice in the matter. But imagine that people would consciously vote for a ****phile befriender to be the leader of the country.

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 19:28

Actually, your fellow countrymen did want her to serve. Even now, abolishing the monarchy is very low priority and not very likely, but, Parliament can make it happen.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 19:31

I'm too bored of the Monarchy to correct you.

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 21:51

Like I've said,"I'm not a Brit"

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 21:56

There's this marvelous thing called the Internet you should check out. There's a "website" called "Google" where you can sort of ask questions. Try typing in phrases like:
"How would the UK become a Republic?"
"Do the public have a say about who becomes the next monarch?"
"What alternative claims are there to the British throne?"
"Who would be the British King now, if it wasn't for the Glorious Revolution?"

It's remarkable stuff, trust me!

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 22:18

It is, I'm sure. This is what the internet had to say to me today.
The monarch is head of state

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The Queen reigns, but she does not rule. Ruling is done by her government, and as head of state in the UK the Queen is constitutionally obliged to follow the government’s advice. Her main functions as head of state are to appoint the Prime Minister, and all the other ministers; to open new sessions of parliament; and to give royal assent to bills passed by parliament, signifying that they have become law.

The Queen also chairs monthly meetings of the Privy Council, to approve Orders in Council; she receives incoming and outgoing ambassadors; she makes a host of other appointments, such as the senior judges, but in all this she acts on the advice of the government. She has a weekly audience with the Prime Minister, and receives daily boxes of state papers for her signature, and for information. She also has regular meetings with senior officials of all kinds.

This sound to me like the US with a president and Congress minus the hassle of elections for president every four years.
I know it's not that simple, but, tell me it doesn't work. Didn't you guys just get a new Prime Minister?

And wether you like it or not, ending the monarchy does start in Parliament. Anyone with an ounce of smarts would accept that the PUBLIC would have to be involved and many, many hurdles would have to be jumped, but, you have a short fuse and an impatient manner.

By #666999 at 08,Sep,22 22:27

So, given your extensive research would you now say that asserting that "your fellow countrymen did want her to serve" is misleading at best, and at worst totally fallacious?

Would you also accept that asserting that "Parliament can make it happen" is a gross over-simplification?

Up to you - post semi-literate tripe, and get criticised, or don't post BEFORE you've done your cursory research.

I would bet the house that you didn't check out that link until AFTER I mocked you.

By #610414 at 09,Sep,22 12:43

Lollipop, (sic), your late Queen Elizabeth was one of the most beloved monarchs in history. I didn't need the internet to tell me that. I'm 70 yrs old and in all that time I've read and heard how loved she was by your people and others around the world.
In an interview by Oprah Winfrey of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex that was aired in the UK on Monday 8th March 2021, 43% said Britain’s future would be worse should the monarchy be abolished, and after the interview 41% said the same. Only 1 in 5 (19%) now believe abolishing the monarchy would be good for the country’s future, a similar proportion to before the interview (17%).

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"Parliament can make it happen" is an over-simplification. This is a forum and not a think tank trying to resolve a problem. The statement stands. Anyone with an ounce of logic would understand that the whole UK would have to be involved. I just didn't think you needed chapter and verse from me to back up my point.
And you are right that it's up to me to post semi-literate tripe and, if I do, I should expect to be criticized. However, first, it has to be established that my statement is "semi-literate tripe". You, sir, as far as I can see, don't come close to being able to be that person with that knowledge. BTW, you lost your house.

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 13:38

Ha fucking ha.

I have already posted that I'm in a minority, and I'm perfectly happy with that.

"Read and heard" huh? Seems conclusive to me (sarcasm alert).

Still seems to me like you're doing your research to defend an already declared position, rather than doing your research first but I'll concede that point if it makes you happy.

Semi-literate is my analysis, "wether" (sic) you like it or not. A wether is a castrated ram, you fuckwit.

By #610414 at 09,Sep,22 12:52

Now, my question to you,Bravenewone, is, "Why are so 'in your face' with other members?" We post trying not to offend. You seem to take it as a personal affront. You remind me of another ex-member, I used to refer him as "Sir Huxley of the Little Balls". He, too, was like you. I'm sure Bella! remembers him.

By dgraff at 09,Sep,22 13:32 other posts of dgraff

Yeah I remember that ass hole he was so full of him self i bet he got off looking in the mirror 🪞

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 13:44

Hi dgraff. Free grammar sort-out for you:

"Yeah, I remember that asshole. He was so full of himself: I bet he got off looking in the mirror."

You're welcome, shitkicker.

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 13:43

"in your face" is subjective, but I make no excuse for robustly making my case. I don't set out to offend but when fuckwits like phart, dgraff and yourself post things that are plain wrong, or without context/nuance I'll say so.

"We post trying not to offend"? Really? I see you copping plenty of flak for the way YOU address other members of the site. People in glasshouses ...

If you're deeply hurt by a stranger posting his thoughts on the Internet, can I suggest you fuck off and join a macrame group?

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By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 14:31

Your mastery of the emoji is only matched by your ineptitude with the English language. Shitkicker.

By dgraff at 09,Sep,22 14:43 other posts of dgraff

Well shit lips we mountain people have a language of our own

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 14:57

Shitkickerese?

By #610414 at 09,Sep,22 13:54

Hahaha. Baby, I live to argue. Deeply hurt doesn't apply. Your second paragraph fails to mention that I address other members in the style they address me and there's history behind it. I'm sorry that my auto-correct is misbehaving, however, you do sound like a castrated ram.
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On that note, perhaps we can continue arguing in another thread. This is meant to be a thread honoring your departed Queen. Let's keep it so.

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 14:27

I was trying to gently illustrate that you're, amongst other things, a fucking hypocrite. Really nice of you to mock another member because of the size of his testicles, when this is a site for showing off your genitalia. Personally, I think disagreeing with someone on stuff of fact is fair game, but people who are brave enough to post their own pics shouldn't have to put up with disparaging comments. In other words: I'll call you stupid, wrong-headed, mistaken etc (in as brusque a way as I see fit) but I WON'T jump on what appears to be a bandwagon of calling you old or "saggy tits". Kudos to you for posting pics (if you do, I haven't visited your page) but the rest of it you can blow out your ass.

This thread isn't titled "In honour of .." and I think it might be informative, especially, for non-Brits to see that the current fawning over the Royal Family isn't universally popular. It may be because of the circles I mix in, but a lot of my friends and acquaintances have already moaned about the coverage on mainstream media. If you hear "A Nation united in grief" I can tell you, from my own personal observations, that is another gross over-simplification.

Bullshit on the auto-correct by the way. "Whether" is such a common word that you must read it multiple times every day, so you can fuck off on that one too. I could believe it from dgraff or phart - the "Two Towers" of stupidity can barely string a coherent sentence together, between them. Have a fabulous weekend.

By dgraff at 09,Sep,22 14:47 other posts of dgraff

Here is a coherent sentence for you just fuck right off now as you use to say Huxley

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 14:53

Try again. I would have gone for: "Here is a coherent sentence for you: just fuck right off now, as you used to say, Huxley."

I have to say though: "bravo" for spelling every word correctly. Pity about the confusion on whether to employ "use" or "used", but nobody's perfect. Now go to the top of the class, and jump the fuck off.

Shitkicker.

By #610414 at 09,Sep,22 19:58

Making fun of another member's testicles was far from my intent. I was shooting for extreme ire, 🤣

By #666999 at 09,Sep,22 21:32

After that lame retort, I'm more than happy to say no more on the matter. I think you suggested that we desist, in this thread, so .. you're welcome.

By Dev01 at 08,Sep,22 20:04 other posts of Dev01

Very sad day

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 03:41 other posts of bella!

Yes, indeed. 👍

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 02:39 other posts of bella!

This was a tender and interesting report/tribute regarding the life, reign and death of HM Elizabeth II.

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By Dev01 at 09,Sep,22 02:45 other posts of Dev01

Bella I didn't know you watched Carl and Allie

I'm not really myself a news feed kinda person but first thing when up at 5am having shower and coffee before work. The first is turn channel 9 on as background so I am,well sorta informed about the day. We have some great news readers here at SYC/SYD tho.

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 03:16 other posts of bella!

It was something I found on YouTube and Dickie Arbiter, the Queen's former press secretary, shared memories of the time he spent with HM. Also, he projected what the world might expect over the next several days death was thoughtfully delivered.

By Dev01 at 09,Sep,22 03:25 other posts of Dev01

I'm not so much a Monarchist, more of an Elizabethan. And sick and tired of keyboard journalism about what was, may have been and grassy knoll crap on a cunt and cock site. People need to show some respect and let the lady RIP.

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 03:34 other posts of bella!

I feel that the death of anyone should be treated respectfully and especially someone so notable.

By Dev01 at 09,Sep,22 03:38 other posts of Dev01

I'm out, have a great weekend and will let you know how Karen's diner goes

By bella! at 09,Sep,22 03:41 other posts of bella!

Looking forward to hearing about your experience! Bye!

By kebmo at 08,Sep,22 17:06 other posts of kebmo

When I went to school every classroom had a photo of the Queen in it and we sang God save the Queen every morning because Canada is part of the British Commonwealth. We also sang Oh Canada, our national anthem.
Queen Elizabeth visited Calgary, where I lived at the time, and I saw her give a speech.

By tb1 at 08,Sep,22 18:24 other posts of tb1

As a fellow Canuck, I am very saddened by Queen Elizabeth’s passing. She was a pure treasure and will be sorely missed and thoroughly mourned.

By kebmo at 08,Sep,22 18:44 other posts of kebmo

❤️❤️❤️

By #610414 at 08,Sep,22 17:41

Queen Elizabeth II, the UK's longest-serving monarch, has died at Balmoral aged 96, after reigning for 70 years.
It's 1:39 pm in Miami. I just got the news RIP

Hm Queen Elizabeth 2..

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